Deadlock

[terse aspen]

Same

[fickle kite]

your old lady too hard to kill

tried zzerials build for vic yesterday and I like it

It's funny

[plucky tusk]

guess whattttt

[vast sandal]

it's genuinely so funny how we fuck around with other characters so extensively and then just go back to the well with Warden/Drifter and its like

yeah man

[plucky tusk]

they hate to see us playing this combo yet again

[vast sandal]

we're gonna touch them, even if the matchup is bullshit

[plucky tusk]

i wanna be well rounded because i feel having alternatives if i lose the drifter pick is important

[vast sandal]

"I hate to see Mina coming with this lane" it don't matter. None of this matters.

[plucky tusk]

i want to propel our drifter warden combo to infamy and legend

nothing matters the laning phase, the picks

they dont matter

if the claw touches you and the may is approaching its over

give up

i killed a 2v1 several times

i killed a 3v1

[vast sandal]

https://youtu.be/3S_2axWPmV8

[plucky tusk]

its over. surrender to the driftuh

[vast sandal]

they gotta give Warden and Drifter some kind of conversation where Warden is like "frankly you are a horrid little creature, however, would you like to hold people down and murder them barehanded all evening"

[plucky tusk]

i checkd my dps lmao

[vast sandal]

I should try fielding Vampiric Burst on this build tbh

it would give me a really stupid injection of durability on an already chunky ass initiator

[plucky tusk]

i feel like we may be the only ones who play this combo this frequently

and frankly its disgustingly effective

[vast sandal]

it's nasty

[plucky tusk]

all you can do against it is just play better. all you can do is win by simply playing better

[vast sandal]

well no

it's the same as playing against Bebop

[plucky tusk]

and buy healbane

[vast sandal]

you just have to lame it out

never extend far enough that if you get tagged with crane game you'll get jumped on by a pair of wild animals

[plucky tusk]

its the 19 minute lane combo

youre in the lane for 19 minutes if you play well

[vast sandal]

Bebop also makes lane miserable like that

[plucky tusk]

the guardian WILL be alive by the time a walker falls

[vast sandal]

where it's just like

jeeeeezus christ you can't do ANYTHING with Bebop around

fucking rat ass gremlin ass golem just squats on your lane and goes "did you just try and peek on my lane partner without a wall of troopers to block me? that's a paddling"

[plucky tusk]

i need to purge the drifter from my brain and lock in though i keep dying to the impulses

[lavish grove]

Chat, am I allowed to just ping the role when I wanna play with people from here?

[vast sandal]

no reason why not

[lavish grove]

Sick

[rich grove]

the driftuh

[plucky tusk]

half the time that i play with luna we're in hell and the other half the time im fed harder than rem in a room of sinners

[vast sandal]

that's because you go so all-or-nothing drifter brain mode

if you stopped diving like a maniac while we're behind we could stabilize the situation a little lol

[plucky tusk]

i really need to fix it yeah

to be fair im a new player and i also usually play this game while tired which does not

help

im a little baby in the game

just a little level 1 goblin

[rich grove]

checked my playtime and literally got up to take a walk on my balcony

[finite patrol]

😅

I think i passed 400h

[spring tundra]

I dont think ive EVER seen “most headshot kills” before

Like ever

On anyone

[rich grove]

I gotta get put in a cardboard box and mailed to antarctica

[fickle kite]

I've only been playing for a couple months

I don't like this trajectory

[autumn field]

first game in months

[finite patrol]

I think thats the one I get the most on warden

[finite patrol]

not even that far a trip for you is it

[lavish grove]

This isn’t too much right?

[vast sandal]

so Warden's crane game ability makes it really easy to just point your gun at someone's head

[spring tundra]

Oh yeah that makes sense

[rich grove]

also he shoot big boolet

[lavish grove]

The only bad part is that it’s a slow boolet

[rich grove]

yeah p much

it's slow and it has notable drop

[finite patrol]

if you land a clip on someone at level 1 its like more than half their hp

[lavish grove]

Yah it’s still very strong

[vast sandal]

honestly, once I've gotten used to Warden's fucking wack ass gun

it does a ridiculous amount of damage

[lavish grove]

Quite

[vast sandal]

brother shows up to the lane with the registered God Particle

[lavish grove]

Coming out of a goddamn doohickey

[vast sandal]

got that why I oughtta

[lavish grove]

I wonder what his gun will look like after the new model

Will it remain a doohickey?

[vast sandal]

Shopkeeper remarks on Warden having a sweet gun and cape

So I’m hoping we’ll get some really good shit for both when the new model drops

[lavish grove]

Yah

I hope it’s either a cool Shaw or like

A dr strange cape

Something big and showy

[vast sandal]

I’m gonna miss the fucked up doohickey when it’s gone

[lavish grove]

Hopefully we’ll get a like

Classic warden skin

Make him a Bobby again

[vast sandal]

Also for some reason in my brain Warden is a Blues Brother

I keep saying “they’re not gonna catch us” when I throw Slowing Hex/Binding Word at people chasing us

[lavish grove]

Lol

[vast sandal]

Especially if it’s an urn run

They’re not gonna catch us, Celeste. We’re on a mission from the Patron.

[autumn field]

deadlock is like, getting really fun now that i play really passive aggressively

[vast sandal]

I know what you mean but that’s a really funny way to say it

You gotta balance the aggression so you’re not getting slaughtered but stay on em like a school of piranhas and never give them opportunities they haven’t bled for

[lavish grove]

The ideal way to play is to be constantly either in a state of farming or jumping people

[autumn field]

also im trying to play wraith and its not giving me ANY of my spirit items 😭

(street brawl)

[lavish grove]

All deadlock matches can be divided between these two states

You’re either killing neutral things for souls, or engaging with the enemy team for map control and objectives

Since if your opponents are, at all competent pretty much all objectives will be fought over or done after fighting

[vast sandal]

this is how you want to do the people you're laning against

[autumn field]

like

dawg

what the fuck is this

[lavish grove]

That’s not bad for wraith

You’ve got her most important stuff besides mercurial magnum

[rich grove]

...you're losing with this?

[autumn field]

im not losing

i just wanted to build a more card-centric build

[lavish grove]

Ohhhh

Okay yah if you don’t wanna play gun wraith then yah that ain’t the best

[autumn field]

i mean i got inf ammo but still

[lavish grove]

Yah you basically got as good of a gun wraith build as you could hope for lol

[gray otter]

ok i really like paradox

how do i actually kill people lategame

how do i get them to stand in my circle

[lavish grove]

Vortex grenade can help

[gray otter]

true

[plucky tusk]

Vortex grenade, lock down, immobilise, a friend who plays warden or silver

[vivid nimbus]

Yknow when you were talking about your hours being high I expected at least 1k

[rich grove]

for someone with a job this is too high

[vivid nimbus]

That’s fair, also you do still play other games

[spring tundra]

People who play One Game are scary

[edgy fog]

Anyone got any more Deadlock OCs? I do love hearing them

[ivory reef]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pknw3yN3Btg @cosmic cypress

uploading some pocket play

[lavish grove]

More batcase from @ rosewaterjelly

[ivory reef]

@granite heath 's counterspell

[lavish grove]

And more

[ivory reef]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRu5dzeu2L4 @cosmic cypress

[cosmic cypress]

I like there's a lot of cool pocket tech

I can't DO it, but it's cool

[cosmic cypress]

Also 3 heroes left, holliday is dogshit

What exactly is the kit for

[late hare]

that's the million dollar question

[vast sandal]

No one knows

She doesn’t really work right now

[cosmic cypress]

yeah that was immediately apparent, that was THE least fun game of deadlock so far

[rich grove]

weird specialist character who used to curbstomp people if your hands were connected to your brain, and she has been punished by yoshi for her crimes every patch for the past fifteen patches

[mossy lance]

"we got as far as "mcclick" and had to make up the rest"

[somber creek]

Honestly I think her gameplan now is "if you are good at landing headshots you can delete people as one of the strongest gunbuilds in the game"

if you aren't fuck you

[rich grove]

she just has a weird unintuitive kit and the mechanical floor you need to not be a net zero is relatively high

[mossy lance]

give or take yeah

[rich grove]

if you're not one-tricking this character then you would probably be better off playing someone like paradox in the same role

[somber creek]

blease yoshi

reworks blease

I also cannot get over that the stone-serious vengeful lawman hunting down a supernatural serial killer goes

[rich grove]

there are some absolute freaks who make this character look like v1 ultrakill where they're just twerking in the air raining barrels with pinpoint accuracy and landing max range flickshot lassos

[somber creek]

bWOING fweeoo BOOM

[rich grove]

fundamentally unserious

[glass flicker]

They say if you become the number one Holiday player in the world you can join Seeker III matches

[vivid nimbus]

Correction, punished for her crimes for several patches in a row and then mostly forgotten about in subsequent patches

[vivid nimbus]

Oh, there's Holliday mains up in Eternus, a mix of ones who are die-hards and persisted through the nerfs, and others who have sorta moved on

[rich grove]

the #1 guy in the NA leaderboards literally just plays holliday

actually unwell behaviour

[vast sandal]

If Holliday had a Dynamo stomp type move that set up predictable movement to line up EZ headshots

She would be a whole ass character

[vivid nimbus]

Barrels already do that a little, I suppose they could do it more

[vast sandal]

Look I’m just saying the Lord blessed Dynamo with a button that gives him a linear road to headshots every time

(The Lord being Yoshi ofc)

[vivid nimbus]

Unfortunately barrels are easiest to land while flying through the air above them, which is one of the hardest times to line up a headshot even on a still target

[vast sandal]

Holliday is both more designed for that and also it would even out the Super Freak to regular player skill expression

[rich grove]

barrels did that for like an entire second on release

[undone galleon]

i truly dont get why she has a sonic the hedgehog spring

[vast sandal]

The bounce pad is a weird skill because other characters get way more use out of it than Holliday does in her own damn lane

[rich grove]

lane was just unplayable against this character past 30 seconds

[vast sandal]

If you’re with Holliday as Bebop, sure Holliday on her bounce pad has tech but you know who can turn the bounce pad into a crime against humanity and reason?

Fucking Bebop

Warden if you’re sick with it

[somber creek]

The bouncepad is a weird skill because just pressing the button like you expect it to work sometimes just puts it 10 feet up or below you

[vivid nimbus]

Or Holliday + Lash

[vast sandal]

Lash

Mina

[somber creek]

Vindicta

Gray Talon

[vast sandal]

Yeah both of the flying snipers

[somber creek]

Mo and Krill

[vast sandal]

Fucking, Mirage arguably

[undone galleon]

it does seem to be a mobility support thing

[stable forum]

Vin & GT don't really benefit from it

everyone else in that list definitely does

just... those two can already just Go Up

[somber creek]

However the downside is that you have no way to make people use it and thus no one fucking touches the damn thing

[vast sandal]

Activate fly while already bouncing and then reposition to unholy crevices of the map

[vivid nimbus]

Dynamo or Victor is probably committing more crimes than the snipers

[undone galleon]

i just dont get why the cowgirl gets it

[stable forum]

fly does this normally though

[stable forum]

yeaa

[rich grove]

there is also something to be said for the bouncepad giving you the ability to just leave on even normally immobile characters

[vast sandal]

Dicta fly is fine without it, Gray Talon cannot ascend/descend at will

[somber creek]

I can't wait for her climactic showdown with the Troubador to be puncuated by spROInG

[undone galleon]

now i havent been to a 1950s us ranch before but i imagine they dont have bounce pads like that

[stable forum]

ah, fair.

[undone galleon]

ig it might save on cow shipping

[vast sandal]

Even then I would argue that more vertical height to start with is Pretty Damn Good for Dicta

[somber creek]

Ah this is the 30s, common misconception
bouncepads were quite common before WW2

[rich grove]

abrams with randomly increased air control and verticality is frightening

[rich grove]

bouncepads and rocket jumps were the only way to get to the second floor of a house until someone invented stairs

[undone galleon]

i forget deadlock is in the interwar period

[rich grove]

this is just history

[vast sandal]

Every Melee Character turns bounce pad into the Jump On You system

Especially spirit melee ones like Apollo, Calico, Yamato

Or wait I guess not

They changed that

[undone galleon]

the super mario ability

[undone galleon]

how so

[ivory reef]

insanely powerful pick

she's a very high level character

very strong

here @cosmic cypress https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VAUQNfinwo

tbh it's wild to me people are saying she doesn't work. she's very good

and since this video was posted they buffed her gun velocity to fix that one qol issues goober mentioned

[vast sandal]

Bounce shockwave uses Holliday’s spirit and items now

[spring tundra]

Did you see my grey alien guy

[vast sandal]

Holliday does have the top tier pick ult right now, either her or Paradox

[somber creek]

I mean we have been saying that she's good for the 1% of pro players who play her as a job but not for anyone else

[rich grove]

yeah I mean I'm not surprised that someone who is entirely new and playing characters in the roster one by one doesnt understand holliday lol

[somber creek]

I also don't think her kit is very good or particularly intuitive for what it wants you to do

[ivory reef]

this just isn't true?

I'm really not sure where you guys are getting your holliday play from

i'm reading this backlog and my eyebrows keep rising higher and higher

[somber creek]

I have been playing a shit ton of holiday since the gun rework

[ivory reef]

everyone complaining about the jump pad? the best mobility ability in the game?

[vast sandal]

I play with a Holliday one trick who is constantly burned up about how she doesn’t do stuff

[ivory reef]

hot take most one tricks are very emotional about their mains

[somber creek]

We're complaining about the thematics of the jump pad specifically and how it's incredibly out of synch with her presentation

[spring tundra]

I mean i think its a good mobility but the rest of her character isnt really suited for taking advantage of it

But more specificially yeah its just

A weird pick

[somber creek]

It's not that it's bad it's just Weird

[spring tundra]

The “ideal use case” of her kit is extremely opaque

[vast sandal]

Now I’ll admit, my takes are largely harvested from her reactions to trying to play the character and getting cooked, and I have a longterm disagreement with her about power levels of characters and the concept of carry vs support and poorly scaling characters

[rich grove]

I mean you just chuck barrels from the sky until they die

[ivory reef]

your friend's opinions are bad tbh

watch goober play holliday

he plays spirit holliday

[spring tundra]

By the way nonsequitor

I recently learned Rem is not a very played character, especially in pro, and i was wondering why

[ivory reef]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bwPcniAH14

this is what night shift holliday looks like

[vast sandal]

The one thing that’s always confused me about Holliday is that she’s the only hero whose kit is permanently, baked-in bolted to headshots as a mechanic

[rich grove]

that was definitely not the case in a previous patch lol

[vast sandal]

I mean I guess Vindicta also has it?

On her ult

[rich grove]

haze

infernus

[somber creek]

I think they mean like

[ivory reef]

even certain items

[somber creek]

"this ability doesn't work on a non-headshot"

If you can't hit headshots Holiday has 3 abilities

[vast sandal]

No see the certain items thing I actually feel is completely different

[rich grove]

I mean yeah I guess so

[vast sandal]

No items are prescribed for you to take by force

[spring tundra]

Well

[rich grove]

Infernus afterburn if you have hands and if you don't is like lightyears of difference

[vast sandal]

But with Holliday you either have to hit headshots or you have no 3

[spring tundra]

Ehhh

I mean yes

[rich grove]

it is a little weird from a philosophical standpoint

[vast sandal]

Yeah that’s basically all I have to say to be clear

[spring tundra]

anyway you dont need to be good at hitting headshots for her 3

[vast sandal]

It’s weird

[somber creek]

It is weird in a game with models that move around as much as they do in Deadlock

[ivory reef]

okay, like, this isn't a mod action, this is very personal, but here's what I see when @cosmic cypress , a newbie, asks about holliday:

[undone galleon]

i do think just on a game design level, a hero shooter not including headshots into its roster of niches to carve out for characters would be bewildering

[ivory reef]

one nuanced opinion (thresh) that I agree with and then like. 3 people saying lmao she doesn't work

and I disagree with voy but at least he has a coherent opinion here

please don't do this guys

it's low key toxic for the community

a newbie genuinely asking about someone's kit is not an invitation to bring out the memes and mislead them

[spring tundra]

Lkay hold on

[ivory reef]

"No one knows" "She doesn't really work right now"???

[undone galleon]

thats fair

[spring tundra]

I think its facetious to say they werw intentionally misleading suki

And just memeing

[vast sandal]

I mean I’m not memeing or trying to mislead someone, I am capable of being factually wrong and probably was

[ivory reef]

they were not intentionally misleading suki. they mislead suki.

read my statement.

[ivory reef]

please dial the memes way the fuck down when newbies have no context to read the sarcasm

[somber creek]

I don't think we're really misleading Suki when they are saying "Wow Holiday doesn't seem to work good" and we're agreeing, to me

[ivory reef]

that is absolutely not what you told him and not what he got out ofi t

he did not read that as "she has some feel issues in her kit" he came away with "she's totally incoherent as a design"

I scroll down and I read you going pweeease reworks pweeease

🙄

[spring tundra]

You could also stand to be a little less condescending lol

[ivory reef]

no, the condescension is deliberate

this is part of speedbumping

[spring tundra]

Yeah i didnt imply it wasnt

[somber creek]

I mean the reason I'm saying that is because we've gotten rumblings that Bebop, Vyper, Holiday, and Gray Talon are getting VGUs which is why they aren't getting significant touch ups.

[vivid nimbus]

I think it's an appropriate amount of condescension here

[spring tundra]

Cool

[ivory reef]

that is, again, not what suki came away with

[vivid nimbus]

And it's not just at you Emily

[ivory reef]

yeah I'm swinging at this entire thread

this is a culture thing

[spring tundra]

What are VGUs btw

[vast sandal]

Visual/Gameplay updates I assume?

[spring tundra]

Oh well i mean

[somber creek]

Yeah

New models, animations, and kit updates

The exact terminology is probably not from League but I got it from League

[vast sandal]

Actually you know what

I got a real question that I want to ask the thread: what do you do to keep Infernus from snowballing

[somber creek]

Same thing you do every other champ I'd guess

counterbuy and gank when able

try to have someone in lane focus on denies

[vast sandal]

Because I know he’s a lategame carry / solo split pusher, he’s very competent at polluting lane and clearing waves fast and regenning health off of afterburn, I dunno how to shut him down and it feels like a lot of games end up with the result of “you tried really hard but Infernus snowballed anyways”

[spring tundra]

So theres probably 2 things

[vivid nimbus]

If you're having problems keeping him from running off, slowing hex is not expensive if you have the slots for it

[spring tundra]

Im not an expert obviously by any means but my thoughts are: counter buy silence items and try to keep track of where he is an gank him

Every now and then

[somber creek]

Also

the Ever Reliable Counterspell:

[spring tundra]

So question actually

[vast sandal]

What do you counterspell

[somber creek]

ult

[vast sandal]

Oh ok

[spring tundra]

When someone is silenced their passive stops working right

?

[rich grove]

his only real durability comes from spirit lifesteal in early-mid and his escape options are his telegraphed ult and his dash which can be knocked up or slowing gexed to secure him

[spring tundra]

Does infernus stop applying bleed on hit?

[somber creek]

Gex...

[rich grove]

silence doesn't remove passives

break does not exist in deadlock

[spring tundra]

Okay alright

That makes sense

[vivid nimbus]

No it just stops active abilities

[spring tundra]

Thats probably for the best

[vast sandal]

Ok so Slow Hex, Healbane, and just kinda keep an eye out to oppress Phantom Lancer whenever possible

[vivid nimbus]

Many Infernuses will buy dispell but that costs twice as much as slowing hex does

[rich grove]

it doesn't interrupt active abilities 🤓 it just prevents you from casting them 🤓

[spring tundra]

Thats true

[somber creek]

But yeah

Disarming Hex/Slowing Hex

[spring tundra]

I know that because i play a lot of street ball

And seven is there

A lot

[somber creek]

or metal skin

[vivid nimbus]

And Infernus ult, notably, does not get interrupted by stuns

[spring tundra]

But yeah theres alsp characters like him that are like

[rich grove]

just try not to chase him into his flame dash where possible

[vast sandal]

So basically the agenda with these lategame menaces is to go pick on them whenever they show face, I got that much

[spring tundra]

More relevant to CC

Than anyone else

And infernus is That

[somber creek]

The agenda with people who are fed are to edit your build

[spring tundra]

If you have a CC infernus should rank above paige

Yknow

[vivid nimbus]

It's very funny when a Dynamo or MnK try to stop him as he's rushing in and has already pressed The Button

[rich grove]

yeah you want some form of CC and/or burst to just dumpster him in those early minutes because he actually is quite fragile

[merry verge]

Dynamo can just press his Solves Problem 2 at least

It's maybe the most telegraphed thing in the game

[vast sandal]

He doesn’t feel very fragile

[merry verge]

They buffed his spirit lifesteal iirc

[somber creek]

God

I had a nightmare

[merry verge]

Or his buffs just let him be wild with it

[somber creek]

imagine Dynamo being able to press 2 while ulting

[merry verge]

I do not fireman

[vivid nimbus]

On his ult, but that's not that significant IMO

[somber creek]

and you get swooped with him

[rich grove]

he's not ridiculously agi tanky like Apollo or just on flat hp numbers like Abrams

[vivid nimbus]

Most of his damage is not from his ult popping

[vast sandal]

Even like in early lane it feels like once the first lane items are bought he goes from an anemic carry who dies when pressured to “actually I don’t die, ever”

[somber creek]

The ult is to make you sit in place as he shoots you in the face

[merry verge]

that is.. a strange choice of buff for it

[somber creek]

It's not if you think about it

It's the thing that'll hit the most people

[merry verge]

Phoenix situation

[somber creek]

God one game we had this fucking

Magic Carpet Infernus

and it was the funniest build I've ever seen

The dude just could not be caught

[vast sandal]

Idk Dashfernus has me down, I cannot kill this speedy fire man

[merry verge]

This is why they nerfed spell range

[vast sandal]

I guess I need to suck it up and buy early Healbane

[rich grove]

spirit lifesteal is a notable bump to his survival but it's pretty much all the active sustain he has

at that stage anyway

[merry verge]

People complain about Doorman pressing his escape button but the humble Infernus and his four charges

[vast sandal]

So just Healbane / equivalent anti-heal for your character then yeah

[rich grove]

idk maybe he bought resto

yeag

[somber creek]

People complain about Doorman because he makes you feel like Tom

and he is Jerry

[rich grove]

spirit shielding also reasonable to just fight him straight up

and not tick out to burn

[vast sandal]

Alr next time I lane against the Firey Hotman I’ll preemptively buy the bartender oppressor

[vivid nimbus]

Infernus doesn't have much healing until he upgrades his lifesteal to 6.4k (whether Leech or Infuser). For 1.6k I'd probably rec slowing hex if dash is the issue, or reactive barrier if you're worried about him ulting and killing you that way

[rich grove]

there's also the devious suppressor buy if afterburn is your concern

[somber creek]

I do think Rusted Barrel is probably a better starting counter

[rich grove]

depends on the character

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah, suppressor or rusted if you want to stop him from applying afterburn

[rich grove]

if it's dashfernus then just slam that mf slowing hex

[vast sandal]

I already be buying Slowing Hex as Warden

[vivid nimbus]

I had not thought about spirit shielding, but IDK if it'd proc at the right times

[vast sandal]

It be ya own build

[somber creek]

If it absorbs it's full damage then it procced at the right time imo

[rich grove]

spirit shielding is mostly just a good chunk of flat HP thats guaranteed to appear

not much thought behind it

depending on the MU, you can also heal up "behind" the shield

[vivid nimbus]

Spirit shielding pops up after you've already taken X damage, so against afterburn there might not be much left in the DOT, that's why I'm worried

[spring tundra]

As far as i can tell his ult is for punishing and enabling team pushes

[vast sandal]

Infernus ult is a fight initiator no

[merry verge]

Yeahh for his kit specifically i'm wishywashy on shielding

[rich grove]

also for warp stone Funny Moments!

[vast sandal]

You rock in and go SURPRISE

[spring tundra]

That too yeah

Ive used it a couple time to punish people for being too aggresive

In a team fight

[rich grove]

if im not wrong infernus dash still also gets hit with movement debuffs

[vivid nimbus]

Warp stone is a surprisingly good defensive item instead of using it to engage

[spring tundra]

And also if youre losing a big fight its really funny to just say fuck it and run in with it on

[rich grove]

in a rare inversion of the type matchup kelvin does in fact hose infernus

[vast sandal]

I started picking Infernus on the premise that if you hate a character a lot you gotta pick them and see what it’s like on the inside

[vivid nimbus]

You can just use warp stone to go "no I'm not standing by you mr burny man"

[vast sandal]

And at first I was like “this guy is mad boring” until I realized how insane his farm speed is

[spring tundra]

And their options are:
deal with you right the fuck now, taking pressure off ur team
CC you in a way that moves you away from them, the only good option

Or scatter

[rich grove]

yeah I mean he is about as vanilla as vanilla gets

[vast sandal]

You really cannot leave Infernus unattended

He will eat the entire lane

[rich grove]

but the character works

[spring tundra]

Well i mean venator exists but yes

[rich grove]

also cultsac

pull up to a t3, eat one, napalm the other two, ignite and run through

[spring tundra]

Very amused that venator was an update character since he reads the same as soldier 76 in Overwatch did to me

[merry verge]

Infernus beats him out in Vanillakit, a passive and a steroid for a passive

[spring tundra]

Which is “do you want a guy who just works like a normal shooter”

[merry verge]

Venator has spells made of guns

[rich grove]

he deadass is just Keen from Quake Champions

PINEAPPLE.

[spring tundra]

Sidenote i just thought of

[vivid nimbus]

Just dropping a secondary option for the Warden mains

[spring tundra]

Confession: it took an embarassing amount of time for me to realize that healing rite shuts off if you take damage

Yes i know it says it on the item i havent closely read every item in the game :p

[vast sandal]

Warden is fun tho

[vivid nimbus]

So is Venator

[vast sandal]

I like Warden, he has one thing and it’s universal and it’s mean as hell

[spring tundra]

Vanilla is a good flavor

[vast sandal]

“Your positioning? It sucks actually”

[merry verge]

Traps offer similar boons

[vivid nimbus]

Specifically only damage from heroes and objectives

[spring tundra]

Also mentipned earlier

[merry verge]

The 2 damage cross map shot to stifle a Rite

Whaddamove

[spring tundra]

Grey talon is obviously gonna get a visual makeover

But i kinda dont want them to change his kit much tbh

[rich grove]

idk why I started playing Venator

[merry verge]

Accent

[finite patrol]

you want them to burn

[vast sandal]

See I know what possessed me to pick up Warden

[vivid nimbus]

He has a good gun so if you like guns he's good

[rich grove]

I am highkey 0% WR on this character

[vast sandal]

And it was “wouldn’t it be funny if I picked up the water with no ice motherfucker”

[spring tundra]

Yeah i am also dogshit at him

[finite patrol]

based

[merry verge]

Having no escapes as a gun carry is a choice for sure

[vivid nimbus]

(Venator's gun also has 1500 m/s bullets for some reason)

[somber creek]

Christ carries the bullets

[spring tundra]

But im also a person who loves playing carry and is bad at econ so im

[merry verge]

His velocity is a bible passage

[vast sandal]

It shoots laser beams

[spring tundra]

In a rough spit

*spot

[rich grove]

but he has been the most obvious case where I've gone "huh I'm actually better at shooting people than I used to be"

[spring tundra]

In terms of

Not sucking

[vast sandal]

I was laning against a Silver today

[spring tundra]

For me thats dicta

[vast sandal]

And had this moment of like

“She just keeps poking her head out and I keep zapping it every time”

“You should REALLY stop and find cover”

[spring tundra]

Landing headshots with her ult ratatouilles me back to the kraber in TF2

[merry verge]

Not slow enough bullets

I need them to see it coming for a microsecond

[vivid nimbus]

Or the sniper, in TF2

[spring tundra]

Ohhh so true

I never actually played tf2 believe it or not

Feels a little too late now

[vivid nimbus]

You just said you played TF2

[spring tundra]

No i said i played TF2

https://tenor.com/view/abbott-costello-whos-on-first-mad-angry-gif-17548381

Also

Its kinda crazy that valve has the money to run a MOBA with not particularly limited access with

0 monetization

At all

[somber creek]

I mean its not really running a moba yet

We're still in alpha

[rich grove]

gabe using zero point zero zero zero zero zero zero two percent of the money he gained by giving russian 11 year olds lifelong gambling addictions for jpegs of knives

[somber creek]

Gabe quits smoking cigars in one long puff like the Zelda C DI King to give Yoshi a big burlap sack with a dollar sign on it

[spring tundra]

I mean…. Logistically they kinda are
Theyre running servers for a lot of players which is the primary coat of a live service game right

*cost

….. well actually a lot of the budget for shit like DBD probably goes to marketing and securing brand deals

[somber creek]

They just switched the TF2 servers to Deadlock so no one would notice

[spring tundra]

God i hope deadlock has just no crossovers

Its allowed ONE

And its hellboy

[somber creek]

Abrams

[spring tundra]

I mean yes

But theyre still allowed

[rich grove]

if we hadnt banned twitter links i wouldve frame one replied to this with the morshu o toole edit

[spring tundra]

….

Can

Can you send me that

[somber creek]

https://tenor.com/view/zelda-cdi-ytp-king-dinner-cigar-gif-5898047791866776289

[somber creek]

Is it this one

https://youtube.com/shorts/1_imavGCzOg?si=F2MWjLGc3Nz71FoO

[rich grove]

no captions but yeah

[spring tundra]

I still dont ynderstand the original sneakers o toole joke

[somber creek]

There is none

He is sneakers o toole

[rich grove]

deadlock o toole would do numbers

[spring tundra]

What woyld that even consist of

[rich grove]

looking sadly at lash grappling away we'll never catch him... not in these sprint boots

[stable forum]

unfortunately for you every deadlock character is a reference (or, mostly)

deadlock has really neat character design and it's weird

[vivid nimbus]

Excuse me. They're mdls of knives

[rich grove]

knives.pak

[somber creek]

https://youtu.be/YtShPQUClr0?si=yZXPUTTiRk6QvS6j

[spring tundra]

No see that’s different

Having a character that is an expy is infinitely more respectable than

brand deals

[stable forum]

fair, i suppose? But isn't Abrams just a hellboy reference? Not one of those 'brand deal' things?

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah exactly Emily's point

[stable forum]

but

confusion

[spring tundra]

Oh i mean hellboy is the one that i would be okay with a brand deal for

[stable forum]

ah

fair, I suppose.

[vivid nimbus]

Red Abrams

[stable forum]

...is it allowed if it's a dota 2 character?

[spring tundra]

If you mean vyper thats not really the same

As far as i can tell that one is just a name and being a reptile

[stable forum]

no, more meant 'what if character from valve's other moba'

I hadn't realized / thought about Vyper/Vyper

[spring tundra]

Oh

Sure yeah i guess

Look man i just dont want to get dead by daylighted

[somber creek]

Lucy in Strive is still the fucking weirdest crossover to me

[stable forum]

heh, fair.

[vivid nimbus]

Put Hellboy in DbD

[spring tundra]

Not memeing, genuinely i think like

A couple cool crossovers

Is fine

Its when it starts feeling like Crossovers are The Thing

See DBD (not to keep ragging), magic the gathering, and fortnite

[stable forum]

this makes sense, I think.

I now understand your point

[vivid nimbus]

NGL when I first saw people using the Attack on Titan skins in a DbD video I thought it was a mod

[spring tundra]

DBD is my mortal enemy in this regard because the crossiver character releases are now like

Exceeding the original character releases lmao

[vivid nimbus]

Not quite. But close

I think crossovers are like 40%

[hallow zenith]

Okay but consider how they have two Vecnas now

[spring tundra]

I do call this Fortnitificatipn though since fortnite is like

The avatar

Of mortal sin

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah they do have two different mostly-unrelated Vecnas

[hallow zenith]

Or two cannibalistic chainsaw-wielding killers

[spring tundra]

Sigh

Theyve even had to drop characters from the roster because theyve lost the rights to have them in the game which

I wont lie

[vivid nimbus]

Well, that's entirely because Hillbilly was a Bubba expy before they got the Bubba license

[spring tundra]

I got a little shaudenfraud out of it
(Yeah thats not how that word is spelled)

Shippudenfraud

[vivid nimbus]

I tried to flex my spelling abilities but apparently it's not "Schadenfraude" either

[vast sandal]

Schadenfreude

You were close

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah

[hallow zenith]

Yes and I find that that so funny

[spring tundra]

Anyway yeah i actually dont think deadlock will share this fate

[vivid nimbus]

It is very funny

Now I think they should also get the license to Bram Stoker's Dracula

[spring tundra]

Valve has seemed pretty profoundly uninterested in brand crossover stuff afaik

[vast sandal]

Valve did crossover stuff for TF2 constantly

[spring tundra]

Oh really

Whoops

[hallow zenith]

Yeah

[vast sandal]

But it was all cartoonized as fuck and like

[spring tundra]

Nevermind then fear is real again

[vast sandal]

Localized to TF2’s aesthetic and sense of humor

[spring tundra]

Sneakers O Toole hero when

[vivid nimbus]

Have a list: https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Promotional_items

[vast sandal]

Also they were all basically MtG proxies of pre-existing items in the game

[spring tundra]

Jesus christ alright

[hallow zenith]

Admittedly a fair number of those are like...

Some of them I didn't even realise were a crossover until told?

[spring tundra]

Sorry that list stunlocked me

[vivid nimbus]

Nope, some are unique weapons

[vast sandal]

Dang, really?

[spring tundra]

AN ALIEN OUTFIT FOR SCOUT???

[vast sandal]

Either way I kinda doubt Deadlock gets as wacky with it?

[spring tundra]

In weirdly enamored by that actually

[hallow zenith]

Hey wait what the fuck I feel cheated

There's a Gunpoint cosmetic??

I didn't get that

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah most notably the Deus Ex HR weapons but a few others

[hallow zenith]

Aw that sucks

[hallow zenith]

Sun On A Stick, also

[vast sandal]

At worst I suspect we get some promotional skins

[vast sandal]

Which like

[spring tundra]

VALVE

VALVE NO

YOU CANT CALL A BIOSHOCK INFINITE ITEM THAT

[vast sandal]

If I have the option to turn off skins we good

[spring tundra]

GABE

[vast sandal]

We cool

[spring tundra]

HES GOT HIS AIRPODS IN

[vast sandal]

Are you like

Under the impression they didn’t know

[spring tundra]

No im making fun of bioshock infinite being incest-y

[vast sandal]

Remember

You CAN’T lewd Elizabeth

She’s Ken Levine’s daughter

That’s why she’s canonically in a hooker outfit in the DLC.

[spring tundra]

What

[vast sandal]

What?

[spring tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-funny-wtf-wth-jesse-gif-17336046

[vast sandal]

Is something I said confusing

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah, and the Sharpened Volcano Fragment, Flying Guillotine, Neon Annihilator, Huo-Long Heater, Red-Tape Recorder, Fan O'War, Concheror, Conniver's Kunai, Half-Zatoichi, and... arguably, the Original

[spring tundra]

…. So uh

I never actually consumed burial at sea

Other than like the first level

[vast sandal]

Okay

Do yourself a favor and instead of getting my watered down explanation

[rich grove]

"i never ate the cake from the urinal" ahh post

[vast sandal]

Go watch Pat Stares At Burial At Sea

[spring tundra]

I was planning on it actually because his silent hill f playthrough kept referencing it being

Really bad

[vivid nimbus]

But the Short-Circuit and Widowmaker and Diamondback from the Deus Ex ones were very controversial over TF2's lifespan

[vast sandal]

Pat almost died

[spring tundra]

Oh yeah i guess sjnce its valve this games monetization is destined to be some weird secondary market stuff huh

[vivid nimbus]

People expect it to be DOTA style I think

[undone galleon]

i imagine its gonna involve skins

[vast sandal]

DotA’s stuff is mostly client-side right

[undone galleon]

i am curious if theyre gonna do something w/ weapons since theyre like distinct equipment

[vast sandal]

Like

HUD reskins and announcers

[somber creek]

Nope

Every character has multiple components

Or entire model overhauls

[vast sandal]

Look

As long as I can turn off clown vomit mode were fine

[rich grove]

no hats mod im begging you valve...

[undone galleon]

they should do weapons tf2 style

it would be funny

[spring tundra]

hopefully without stat modifiers

[vivid nimbus]

There actually is speculation of gameplay-affecting weapon unlocks

Because of all the existing weapons having unique names

[undone galleon]

i truly wouldnt be shocked

[spring tundra]

ouuugh

[undone galleon]

u dont give weapons unique names w/o planning some fuckery w/ it

[vast sandal]

eugh

[spring tundra]

Makes me curious if they're planning this to be more competitive or casual

cause theyve done both before

Counterstrike vs Team Fortress

[undone galleon]

probably both i imagine

[vast sandal]

I can smell it

[undone galleon]

theres a planned pve mode after all

[spring tundra]

god im so excited for that

i want that to be good so bad

[vast sandal]

we'll have like

[undone galleon]

i Am curious how the maps gonna change

[vast sandal]

Ranked Queue vs Casul Queue vs PvE

[undone galleon]

and what the diegetic context is gonna be

since deadlock has been like p good abt that

[spring tundra]

clearly

there needs to be

street brawl competitive

ranked street brawl

i gotta say SB is legitmately an insanely fun game mode tho

[undone galleon]

its pick-three mini-moba

[vast sandal]

Street Brawl actually fucks and is cool

big fan

[spring tundra]

my only complaint with it is some characters are insanely overtuned for it

like vindicta and seven

[somber creek]

God imagine

Guns affect abilities

[undone galleon]

modular hero kits

[vast sandal]

if

if they add alt weapons

if

I hope it's for PvE

that would add longevity to each character

[undone galleon]

pve would be the safest play yea

its not like deadlocks allergic to mode-exclusive build options

i do think it would just be a nightmare to design in a competitive environment

[spring tundra]

if gear that alters stats exist ranked will 100% lock you to the base version imo

i would not be surprised if you could bring it literally everywhere else tho

[undone galleon]

either that or render em aesthetic

[spring tundra]

[cosmic cypress]

Just mirage and seven left to play

[somber creek]

Both are fun

Mirage is a sustained tanky gun bruiser and seven is a fushigi champion

[vast sandal]

Mirage is the escalating exposure merchant lmao

(scarabs apply a nasty amount of EE)

[rich grove]

he has baked in inhibitor on 1

which is just bananas

[vast sandal]

I think Seven is one of the most Antimage ass characters in Deadlock probably

average Seven teamfight contribution and it's Seven accidentally hitting someone with his 3 because the teamfight got too close to the jungle camp he was farming

kind of a meme though because Seven is specifically a teamfight lord, like, king of completely fucking up and polluting teamfights to hell and back once he's active

[somber creek]

Unless

[rich grove]

😌

[slender falcon]

Okay so I want to play deadlock but I lowk might just fundamentally suck shit

How do I get good at like

I guess deadlock but also shooters in general. Like.

With Deadlock, general macro level play like counterpicks and such

I can get an aim trainer for the getting better at shooters bit

How do I approach Deadlock macro scale stuff

Playing anyone complex makes me feel like a 5 year old right now because I'm genuinely just lost

I feel like my decision-making sucks and idk how to like. Improve that, yknow?

[pallid granite]

mechanical aim and gamesense are things you'll acquire over time by playing a lot. right now my advice is to just play for fun and try to find places you would like to improve and try to incorporate new things into your play slowly.

watching higher level players play your main and trying to work out their decision making process is a good place to work on improvement

also be kind with yourself. improvement in a hobby is a very long road and it can be easy to beat yourself up when you're not seeing the progress you'd like

[undone galleon]

good counterpicking requires both knowing what everyone does & knowing what items do so yea dont be too hard on urself

now that said: counterspell, healbane, & slowing hex r the usual suspects for counters

[vivid nimbus]

Also dispel magic and knockdown

[slender falcon]

Noted, noted

Rn I just play Silver and McGinnis, I put Vindicta as my third and pray I don't get her

Because I would like to play her but I also don't want to fuck over my team with complete dead weight

I can at least contribute with Silver and McGinnis to some extent but when I play vindicta it's genuinely just completely cooked

[vivid nimbus]

Silence wave, disarming hex, and cursed relic are also on the counter item list but when to use them is a little more advanced I think

[finite grotto]

Also don't worry to much if some games feel really lopsided. The MMR/matchmaking atm is really bad so sometimes you will play baffling matches of skill disparity

[slender falcon]

I'm also still shit at McGinnis lowk

Silver is the only character I consistently perform at all with. She's simpler to play for me and thus I can't fuck it up as bad lmao

[finite grotto]

But ye don't worry. Mobas require just time to get used to and deadlock is that plus also a movement shooter

[slender falcon]

It's my first MOBA and my first PvP game that I've tried seriously

So

That makes sense why I kind of suck for now

[vivid nimbus]

Oh and also for "I just want to take less damage"; metal skin, spirit resi, plated armor, and spellbreaker; especially if like the whole team is the same sort of damage threat

[pallid granite]

everyone starts somewhere

[slender falcon]

I assume I should not be using the default build

But also probably not try to cook up a build myself quite yet either

[pallid granite]

I'd recommend looking at the build browser and finding some of the top daily rated builds

[vivid nimbus]

Generally speaking all of the top dailies will be better than the default, even if a top daily is subpar

[undone galleon]

metal skin specifically is bullets so if u notice a lot of orange on some guys, its not a bad pick

also yeag going for the public builds nets u more overall

[vivid nimbus]

The public builds will often have a section of counterpick items to consider. Most of them will be stuff we already mentioned, but it'll be a helpful reminder especially if they have annotations

[undone galleon]

if u want something Youtuber-Certified, mast's videos r fun & each has a link to the build hes running

[vivid nimbus]

Deathy's website also has a few vetted builds for each character. Yes all 38

https://deadlockmeta.com/

[slender falcon]

Weaponized autism?

[vivid nimbus]

(Ignore the tiers)

[vivid nimbus]

He's not just a high-rank player, he's also a coach for the game

[worldly dirge]

https://youtu.be/kJ_jR2h8nYE?is=0xBzye5UGfqyYi4A

https://youtu.be/Kdm-3hhR9SA?si=y_8mQCKpxz6iaRKP

[worldly dirge]

probably a bit too technical, some info is quite niche but good to know

[vivid nimbus]

Have you watched any guides at all? There's some stuff all the basic guides will cover about macro but if you haven't seen guides I can give the TLDR

[slender falcon]

I have a few but it honestly just slides off my brain tbh

[worldly dirge]

you probably want to look for build with anotation and read them, they usually explain the item or why you want them, great for new players

[slender falcon]

It's kinda info overload I guess

[vivid nimbus]

Very fair

[worldly dirge]

there is a initial learning curve yeah

[slender falcon]

...it has occurred to me that this is why me explaining RoR2 high level strategies to my friends doesn't actually help them learn it most of the time...

[final osprey]

I think the main thing to keep on is to clear waves. Most of the game you will likely spend going to clear waves
If you lose it's entirely possible you simply werent clearing waves

[vivid nimbus]

In that case I'll just reiterate that you should remember to catch waves and push lanes even past early game

[worldly dirge]

game doesnt explain everything

[slender falcon]

The little minion guys?

[final osprey]

yes

[slender falcon]

Noted

Is it like. They add up over time and eventually break your defenses

[worldly dirge]

you have to be carefull about macro (pushing lanes and taking objective)

[slender falcon]

Or is it for resources

[vivid nimbus]

Both

[worldly dirge]

you can have 200 kill but if you dont take objetive you will lose

[final osprey]

How pushed your waves are decide where you can safetly travel and they give you most amount of Cash money (souls) out of anything

[slender falcon]

God this is so much more complex than TF2 I miss playing battle engi on KotH 😭

[slender falcon]

Tbh this is 99% of the reason I tried McGinnis. Turrets good. I like turret.

[vivid nimbus]

Troopers will be your team's primary income through the whole game, and also you want them to blow up the enemy defenses and not have enemy troopers blowing up yours

[worldly dirge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6rH6vrJ5PI

[vivid nimbus]

Rule of thumb, if there are enemy troopers in a lane on your half of the map, someone on your team should go kill them

[slender falcon]

Okay so how do I get good damage on them without sacrificing my ability to engage other players

Because I know there's an upgrade specifically for minion killing or smth but

[vivid nimbus]

Often just showing up and shooting them will be enough

[slender falcon]

Alr

[worldly dirge]

a normal game

45% is just the waves

[slender falcon]

I remember when I was playing Silver I'd get caught off guard and get killed by an opponent because my clip was empty due to me killing minions

How to avoid this

[vivid nimbus]

If you have AOE abilities those are better (I know McGinnis and Silver are poor here), if you can hit multiple guys with one heavy melee that also helps

[slender falcon]

I need to remember to melee I haven't been using it much

[final osprey]

Silver is really bad at wave clear and should get monster rounds most games iirc

[worldly dirge]

silver is bad in lane

[slender falcon]

Gotcha

[worldly dirge]

you are good at killing people

as silver

[vivid nimbus]

Well, she's weak at clearing troopers but good at fighting in lane

[worldly dirge]

yeah

[slender falcon]

Noted and considered.

[worldly dirge]

you should try beefy character, like abrams, dynamo, mcginnes

[vivid nimbus]

Silver and Abrams are two characters who have fractional reloads and will not get punished for reloading often

[slender falcon]

God Deadlock feels so different from so many other games

The time to kill is so long and a death is a genuinely big setback the further you go into the game

[slender falcon]

Gotcha

[worldly dirge]

not if you get 3 people on you with spirit nukes lol

[vivid nimbus]

As Silver you can also do the thing where you shoot a trooper once and then finish it with a melee, then repeat on the next trooper

[worldly dirge]

if you get singled out, you will die

[slender falcon]

Okay yeah I was about to say it feels like the time to kill is slow until the moment I start fighting and get insta-gibbed

[worldly dirge]

if you kill a trooper with melee the enemy cant deny the soul they drop

[slender falcon]

Which is likely just skill issue on my end but

[vivid nimbus]

This is the other reason to melee troopers, yeah

Also, to avoid overwhelming you, let us know when you feel like you have enough info and you can ask more questions later

[slender falcon]

Gotcha

[worldly dirge]

then you want to counter buy, spell breaker disables mirage if its not on cooldown, armor plate makes you live longer when gun carry is in play

[slender falcon]

I think I have the basics down now, but, one more questions I guess

[worldly dirge]

pretty self explanatory

[slender falcon]

What characters are generally good for starting out? Also more gun focused ideally

[worldly dirge]

haze, infernos

ivy

[plucky tusk]

Driftuh

[worldly dirge]

no

he needs stacks

[final osprey]

Haze and Venator are the gun guys. If you can aim well they kill people

[plucky tusk]

stacks are free

[slender falcon]

I don't aim well but we can work on that

[worldly dirge]

i have seen a drifter with 9

he was trying very hard to get them

[vivid nimbus]

Wraith also performs well at all levels RN

[slender falcon]

I fw Haze's design so I will play her when I get home I think

[worldly dirge]

become evil, play graves

[eternal dune]

Seconding Ven, I also can't aim worth a damn but his m1 is pretty spray and pray

(Ult is a different story)

[plucky tusk]

if you have 9 stacks then you have fucked up badly

[slender falcon]

After suffering for upwards of an hour against Graves in my lane I genuinely do not ever want to pick her

[plucky tusk]

You should be able to pick up at least 4-5 +3 every team fight

[slender falcon]

I don't want other people to feel what I felt because what I felt was the desire to take a big fucking bite out of my keyboard

[finite grotto]

https://youtu.be/sg4R3ZT_BWQ?is=dpHQ2ozKZdzykH-C

[plucky tusk]

You can acquire stacks even beyond the grave

[finite grotto]

@slender falcon I do quite like this deathly video

[plucky tusk]

It's all about the assists

[slender falcon]

Noted

[finite grotto]

Lot of info relatively concise

[worldly dirge]

if you dont do it, someone will, you are not saving anyone from suffering

bebop makes me suffer

[slender falcon]

I don't want to be the one inflicting it

[final osprey]

The best way to learn countering characters is to play them.
If you dont want to suffer the graves first you must learn them

Inflicting Graves feels great though it's awesome and cool

[slender falcon]

On a final note how do I mod

I kinda want to see if I can make as many characters as possible Hatsune Miku

[plucky tusk]

I feel like doing that is a bad idea for readability

[slender falcon]

Okay yeah true

[plucky tusk]

you want to be able to identify enemies quickly

Before they Get You

[slender falcon]

I still wanna do at least a little modding tho

[slender falcon]

Theoretically there are enough unique variants of Miku that I could make it work

[worldly dirge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPGWsBXWobQ

[late hare]

re: Graves — notably, Graves is a more macro-oriented character

playing her will help you learn at least a bit about how to play on that level

(also imo she’s better than McG in this regard and also just generally)

[long flame]

my hardest mina carry yet

they had phased us by 25 mins

they still had all walkers up

then i won a 1v3 and got gigafed cus of it and turned it around

[somber creek]

Ironically

Audio modding is way better for readability for me

[vivid nimbus]

I was on fire this game

[finite patrol]

https://youtu.be/0FpCoSZOlF0

very funny video on tesla bullets / capacitor

and how their proccing works

[terse aspen]

You're right, this is very funny

[finite patrol]

heheheheh, you see that shit?

[carmine jacinth]

Cyrus my beloved

[autumn field]

Was playing Billy recently, despite being 7k behind, this Infernus who was at 30k was really easy to fight

Its a bit hard to navigate around Infernus's trail

[vast sandal]

Billy is really good at fighting anyone 1v1

[autumn field]

Also was playing street brawl lash, he's pretty strong but im bad at him

[vast sandal]

like really really good

[autumn field]

The build i use has backstabber and some chase stuff

[vast sandal]

Billy, Geist, Mirage, and Drifter are all like

exceptionally good at 1v1ing

[autumn field]

I think it needs some flavor of bursty slows or anti-stam

[vast sandal]

i also think Warden is good at 1v1ing but it's really more like Warden is a menace who picks one character at a time and kills them

and if he's strong he can just keep doing it over and over and mow people down in a teamfight

[hallow zenith]

augh

Just had a rough game

It would appear I have forgotten how to play Yamato.

[vast sandal]

they changed her up on ya

idk sometimes I just forget to load the character knowledge into my brain and play like a complete goon

[terse aspen]

Ok, Highdocker's Ivy build is fun

[vast sandal]

I've caught myself playing Geist and just not throwing the daggers

[terse aspen]

Speaking as a fairly new player (56 hours in game)

[hallow zenith]

Coming from playing Lady Geist and taking engagements that I just cannot win and oof

went 0/11 just now

[vast sandal]

tbh that's probably why my hybrid geist play is unsuccessful so far

let me tell you a secret

wait this isn't really a secret I just kinda let my brain run away with that one

point is I do stupid things when I play Geist

[hallow zenith]

I really gotta get better at recognizing when my lane partner isn't as aggressive as me and playing more careful

Speaking of

I should try Drifter

[vast sandal]

once I was so hungy for the kill that I ran past the guardian AND the walker

and ended up fighting 3 people under walker

still got my kill tho

nearly got 2

[hallow zenith]

Does anyone have a build?

[vast sandal]

@plucky tusk

[hallow zenith]

(And by anyone I mean May)

[plucky tusk]

568610

[hallow zenith]

Thank you

[vast sandal]

the only thing I'll add to May's build knowledge is that you miiiight want to buy Fortitude a little earlier so you can stay in and roam for longer

like after Burst Fire or so

[plucky tusk]

it Depends

this does not need to be bought in order

the late game is basically pick up any time after burst fire as you need it

[vast sandal]

bc the big thing that Fortitude affords you as Drifter is that you can just permanently stalk the map and be present to kill anyone who dares show face solo

[plucky tusk]

its just that everything up to burst fire is pretty crucical to turning drifter On as a character

[jovial jay]

Warden remains a well balanced and good character who's design is easy to understand but has a lot of skill expression between the need to be accurate, flask usage, cage builds and ult power

[hallow zenith]

Well

Played two games of Drifter

First game went poorly
The enemy team was like, never isolated at any point and just kept killing us all

Second game their Rem left to go try and fail pushing other lanes, leaving me to eat their Graves for the first like, 20 minutes

All in all, a positive experience

I should try playing here, sometime...

I highly enjoy leaping into the enemy and ripping them apart limb from limb <3

[plucky tusk]

Solid 90% of total kills last match were me and rem

We lost because fed rem is crazy but i survived the craziest fight of my life

[jovial jay]

I am wondering if we're gonna see changes to gun item and scaling soon, its wild seeing rem, a support build/character spec into gun so hard and be effective at it with split shot builds (though that could be my low rank).

[gritty geode]

Gun rem is pretty astonishing the first times you see it. Return fire is a hilarious counter though.

[gray otter]

gun rem is scary but not nearly as horrifying as melee rem

[jovial jay]

I've been debating how to fit reutrn fire into builds, I kinda wish it had an upgraded form to really scare gun carries

[gritty geode]

Its only a 1.6k item so yeah its not that insane but it can turn early fights

[gray otter]

one time i got beaten to death by a melee rem

[frail jasper]

Rem has the very cool melee scaling of his light melee being exactly 50% of heavy melee, and 2x light melee is a lot safer to whap someone with than a telegraphed heavy

[gray otter]

i see

[cosmic cypress]

I have now played every hero

We got 1v6'd by a dynamo

That was ......interesting

[late hare]

i'm going to become the joker

macro gameplay is an essential part of the game that everyone needs to learn. end of statement

[vivid nimbus]

Probably, they keep bapping support-y characters who have strong gun builds (Dynamo, Ivy, McGinnis, Viscous...)

[rich grove]

if you build Dynamo on gun post 2 rework I'm calling the cops

[vivid nimbus]

Exactly

(Headhunter and Rech. Rush don't count)

[autumn field]

learning how to play around people who can actually parry isnt fun...

but at least i can throw in nonsensical heavy melees (no its not bad aim trust) to troll their parry instinct

[glass flicker]

@ch4rless_draws

[agile rune]

one piece face

[granite heath]

He explicitly doesn't when they're on the same team though, right?

[eternal dune]

He doesn't call him a demon but he more or less hits him with a "one of the good ones"

[agile rune]

this sounds more like baxter society talk, the venators seem more... zealous

[vivid nimbus]

I think the Venators and the Baxters see pretty eye to eye on things, they just differ in patronage and methods

[eternal dune]

The Baxters also seem a little more willing to overlook past deeds of capable members, if the unfinished Shiv convos are anything to go by

[lavish grove]

Everyone at the Baxter society seems to hate shiv though, or at least not believe in him

So that may be less their thing and more grey talon’s thing

Since he’s only in it and now running it because Grey Talon has so much influence

[edgy fog]

I always thought of the shiv situation basically being naruto. People who know are scared of potential, people who don't just see an idiot. Both dismiss him.

[eternal dune]

Personally my take on it is that the Baxters are likely just generally less uniform than the Venators.

Many might be dismissive of Shiv but that's probably more due to their personal outlooks than institutional mistrust

[somber creek]

Silver specifically HATES Shiv more than anyone

Its less dismissal and more that she believes what he cant change what he did

[edgy fog]

silver is sasuke

[plucky tusk]

When I ask my venator if he remembered to clear lane before leaving

[plucky tusk]

Deadlock players how good do you think my cat would be at maining rem?

For a more accurate comparison here he is casting his 2 to heal

[terse aspen]

Give him a gun and he's all set

(I have seen multiple Gun Rems recently)

[jovial jay]

ehhh not so much Naruto as it is a zuko situation.

Shiv apparently did something though in those convos where venator/silver are surprised he's the heir to Grey talon.

Shivs conversation with talon has Wesley himself say shiv is going to have to stay on the straight and narrow for a while to convince the society to trust him.

also given that drifter dialogue implies he used to be close with drifter?

as in "old friend who would be a threat if he hasn't stopped being a monster" kind of close?

a little skepticism is understandable. a few years of good works are a good start to turning your life around, but being buddy buddy with drifter for as long or longer means it's still a bit touch and go

[somber creek]

I think Drifter's "this is Shakesperean" line could even mean he's related to Drifter in some way

[plucky tusk]

I think he's Bigfoot and he killed hikers in West Virginia

[jovial jay]

he did something and I assume he's got something supernatural given the rage abilities

iirc early concepts for shiv included a werewolf type deal, but the full on furry transformation is now silvers thing so Shiv probably has something else going on

though it is possible he's a vamp too given his whole thing is make people bleed to replenish his strength

[vivid nimbus]

There's also leaks of one of the upcoming characters who ||looks like a white haired aristocrat vampire, but also has a mechanical right arm so people are suspecting another Baxter-linked character||

[somber creek]

The early concept of Shiv was more vampiric

He was just Mo with a pompadour and big fangs

[vivid nimbus]

It's so goofy, yeah

[vast sandal]

there's also a vampire in Shiv's character loading screen background

albeit one that it looks like he's holding at knifepoint?

Shiv could be a vampire, he could be a vampire killer, or he could be the classic trope of vampire that kills vampires

[jovial jay]

||I do hope if there's a third vampire his goal is to use the ritual to stop being a vampire. it'd be a nice contrast to have drifter a very old vampire has fully embraced being a vampire as a predator and is there for fun, Mina who is a young upstart who wants to climb the system, and then someone of age in between them who can work the system but wants out||

[mild flume]

source is @kelleyblackart, try and source things if possible here cheers

fantastic though tbh

[edgy fog]

turns out Shiv is who Holiday is after she just doesn't know how to say the word "pompadour"

[winged terrace]

does everyone related to the baxter society have a prosthetic arm?

[somber creek]

Yes

[lavish grove]

I wonder if it’s an official ritual to replace their arm with a prosthetic or just a common feature because they’re all monster hunters

[merry verge]

I want to think it's about bonding to an animal spirit and also Shiv is missing a lot more arm

But also he's an old model so /big shrug

[lavish grove]

I mean calico is a much newer model but retains the singular prosthetic arm gimmick

[merry verge]

I just mean about his is gone from like the shoulder compared to everyone at the elbow

[lavish grove]

Oh okay

[vivid nimbus]

But it’s also three for three on right arms with no leg, face, or left arm injuries

So I doubt it’s just from monster hunting

[autumn field]

i had a dynamo in a brawl game who just spent the entire game hittin the enhanced refresher and yelling "CHUD MODE ACTIVATED" whenever he ulted

[glass flicker]

10/10 would instantly put me to sleep

Last night my friend hit a fat Dynamo ult where he teleported above the team and caught them all while low and wiped them (in street brawl)

[autumn field]

IM PLAYING FUCKING SILVER

[vivid nimbus]

Looks like a solid build to me

[terse aspen]

First MVP ever!