Deadlock

[vast sandal]

yeah I guess a better way of putting it is that he's an M1 carry with his support needs folded into his kit instead of lock-and-kill options

[lavish shale]

but I also really wanna like Venator but keep bouncing off him

but part of that is also just my inability to play gun due to dogshit aim

[vast sandal]

he's got a way to immobilize and kill targets, sure, but it's a lot less reliable than say invisible sleep dagger ambush

[lavish grove]

I mean, that’s assuming he’s not being built melee

In which case if you ever catch someone near a wall you do just kinda kill them

[vast sandal]

conversely he's very good at keeping himself alive and stopping pursuits compared to Haze or Seven

[somber creek]

Btw how many patches in a row has Celeste been nerfed

8? At this point?

[final osprey]

I mean, she mostly got lots of buffs to her scaling

Even the HP down is with a increased bullet res.

[lavish grove]

Yah she hasn’t gotten a flat nerf once I thinks

It’s always been adjustments that leave her really strong

[lavish shale]

well increased back to baseline compared to her previous nerfed resist

[plucky tusk]

Drifter is the ideal M1 learning experience

You have nothing except M1 and Q

and pressing 1 I guess

Everything else on your kit is just to facilitate pressing M1 or 1

your 2 just puts you in 1 range. your 3 just buffs your m1. your 4 just makes your 3 better and scares enemies. Just press M1 and 1

The more you play the more you lock the fuck in to pressing m1

[somber creek]

So yeah while I think Holiday is now much more usable

I do think she suffers from a lack of a coherent gameplan and every facet of her kit being done better by other people

[edgy fog]

I desire emotes in the game ;-;
What kind of emotes would people get?
Rem would definitely go to sleep

[lavish grove]

Billy does that thing with bats where they spin in the air before you grab them again

I don’t know what it’s called

https://tenor.com/view/swing-people-are-awesome-baseball-bat-spin-swing-the-bat-gif-18029378

This

[edgy fog]

I love that spin

it's super fun

[lavish grove]

It looks so cool

[vast sandal]

Also a Babe Ruth point out of the park

[lavish grove]

There’s a lot of baseball things Billy could do

[somber creek]

https://i.imgur.com/k4F9z9e.png

[lavish grove]

Holliday should just have the revolver ocelots sequence

[vivid nimbus]

The full sequence has two revolvers IIRC

[lavish grove]

He has one with only one I think

Been a while since I played MGS3 though

[vivid nimbus]

So I looked it up, the full sequence in MGS3 is 40s long, there's a 10s bit in the middle where one gun is holstered

[lavish grove]

That’s good enough for an emote

[vivid nimbus]

And a few short bits where one gun is at rest while he spins the other

Trivia time: Does he end the 40s with the same guns in each hand as at the start?

[lavish grove]

No I remember he puts the opposite guns in the holsters and even fucks up putting one in at first

[vivid nimbus]

"No" is correct, but he doesn't do a cross-holster, he swaps them because in that middle bit he holsters his right gun in his right holster and then does a cross-draw with his left hand

[lavish grove]

Ohh

[fickle kite]

y did I win two games and go down a rank?

yochii plz..

[vast sandal]

always fascinating how some people truly believe if you scream at your allies over voice they'll start playing better

[mild flume]

yeah or abuse them in the chat or whatever

[fickle kite]

only rping your character makes others play better

you get a lash vyper lane. Your vyper feeds 4 kills early. she's crashing out, "happens to the best of em babe"

she proceeds to go 17-6

simple as

[gray otter]

truth nuke

[somber creek]

I got called autistic for doing a single lash bit

[mild flume]

tbh just being chill and coordinating people goes a long way

I have had many games salvaged by some loud australian man who is like

[fickle kite]

gotta hit em with "ya, if I were you I'd be in Awe of me too"

[mild flume]

loudly swearing shouting encouragement and occasionally calling targets with "kill the fackin lash fuckin stun the cunt mole boy fuckin get him"

its a ride

[gray otter]

yelling encouragement works so much better than yelling slurs

its crazy

[terse aspen]

I don't tend to use voice chat, but I like typing "NICE" in chat when my lane partner gets a kill or something

[fickle kite]

ya I get quiet when we're doing bad I'd never take it out on the team. But when we're up good gosh I'm the hypiest hype man

[somber creek]

Even just like

Just get mad at the enemy team

I dont give a shit if my teammate goes "this enemy Kelvin is a living tumor" or whatever

[fickle kite]

idk sometimes they say a gamer word about a character or ability and I'm do feel like telling them to just alt-f4 bro

this isn't you and if it is you're failing yourself over a video game

highkey pathetic

[warm sonnet]

My go to reply is stop being weird

[fickle kite]

thats a good one

Victor has a cool voice line I keyed into yesterday where if you take out Billy he says "Sorry buddy.." 🙁

made me sad for smearing the goat across the rat piss soaked pavement

[agile rune]

I ask them to explain what they mean

[lavish grove]

You know, while it is the worse of their builds

I’ve never actually seen a Glocket player that didn’t absolutely dominate

It’s weird

[stable forum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1281742836878020722/1492702668731187260/4C9E0A1.MP4?ex=69dc4b31&is=69daf9b1&hm=302dde17ebb73db8471c01947e18db1977fce3a7d616e4ed8866d05835cc1805&

[fickle kite]

lmao!

[stable forum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1480193416523419812/1492703824664858624/HFora7KakAAdzAE.jpg?ex=69dc4c44&is=69dafac4&hm=b65eb34a6111e4bd2ce10e82977d7827a34f2f53ce2c0651583fba609234463f&

[lavish shale]

I'm always gonna clear wave
give me that tasty farm

[fickle kite]

ya i need to buy a new bobble

because I'm like 5k behind because I'm flying in constantly to secure a kill I really don't deserve

Gosh I love lash

[somber creek]

https://i.imgur.com/Z8Lqoc3.png

maybe holiday is good?

[fickle kite]

it's tru!

Crackshot feels impactful now

[terse aspen]

I think I'm getting to the point where I need to look up a guide to jungling

I need to get souls faster to be able to come back if the enemy team gets a soul lead by being ahead on kills

[fickle kite]

Yeah box routes can be good to know

But also coordinating an urn run is how you make those big swings in soul count

[terse aspen]

Yeah I'm trying to think in terms of having a backup plan for when the team is uncoordinated and keeps going single-file into teamfights

Which, if it's bad enough, is just unrecoverable, I know.

[fickle kite]

very true

consider taking every sinners on the map while the chuds run it down broadway for the 13th time in 30 min

[vast sandal]

RUN IVY RUN

Had a funny urn fight today where Drifter bogarted my urn and just broke and ran for it as I cheerfully followed behind throwing knives into his back, fully aware three people were waiting for him and he was bleeding out

He didn’t even make it to the drop point

It’s unreasonably satisfying to just keep landing Shiv knives on someone every time the bleed would expire

I had my opponent in lane keel over dead more than once because this Wraith just kept peeking and catching knives

You WILL lose the trade, bullets are only bullets but knives are like half your health bar if you catch a third

Catch a fourth and I’m just gonna come kill you, I don’t care WHERE you go

[late hare]

it's not noted anywhere but I feel like they changed the way Bebop bomb gets applied

It feels like there's a slight input delay that wasn't there before

[ivory reef]

This can happen in trueskill style bell curve mmr systems

When the system is calibrating you and finally finds you

[fickle kite]

i have been calibrated

i climbed back up to where i was, but a doorman did call me absolutely worthless in the process

so its a hollow victory

[finite patrol]

doorman says that to everyone

[shy quiver]

someone on a diff server had this experience

an expeereince if you will

[rich grove]

PISSHOP

[undone galleon]

pisscount

[cerulean pendant]

gotta ask, where are the hero icons from those r fire

[shy quiver]

I'll have to ask, since idk the mod

[cerulean pendant]

dw i just looked up "deadlock icon mod" and found it

https://gamebanana.com/mods/610813 its this thing

[magic summit]

A comical video game

[shy quiver]

that viscous kill... lmaooo

[magic summit]

A lesson to never heavy melee me

[finite grotto]

ok

i am really liking the new Yamato builds

[somber creek]

https://streamable.com/drs7rg

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1sixsow/smartest_haze_player/

[vast sandal]

look you gotta get as many kills on big vic before his ult comes up as you can

[finite grotto]

didnt manage to replace life strike with spirit rend in the end and go into ee and burn but man I am really enjoying this build

[vast sandal]

yamatunasandwich is a based username gimmick

[finite grotto]

thank you thank you

[finite grotto]

holy fuck

what a round of first items

[vestal hearth]

By @Layeyez on Twitter.com.

[terse aspen]

Concerning

[terse aspen]

Replying to this

[median lantern]

By ChichiAI on Twitter (not AI despite the name)

[glass flicker]

Just saw that lmao

[mild flume]

huh is express shot back

[fickle kite]

had it in SB on vicky and worked pretty well

[finite patrol]

Yamato probably the best user of it atm after silver

really wish their were a bullet velocity option other than HVR/ES/APR

[vivid nimbus]

Inaccurate. Henry knows for sure he hates his wife. (It’s mutual)

[fickle kite]

Thank you third person I've heard this from

i agree

[lavish grove]

These Victor buffs are making me really consider gun spirit items in spirit Victor tbh

Spirit teen and spiritual overflow seem like really good investments now

For both their effects and the gun investment they provide

[fickle kite]

berserrrrker

no. Glass cannon

the blicktor does not fuck around

omnicharge signet on Vics 2 was really funny

had that a couple days ago

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1sj9szb/i_love_how_they_reworked_haze/

posting because of the haze face

[vivid nimbus]

If you want the circle-shaped ult instead, just spin your camera really fast

[finite grotto]

Ye. 2 into Arctic into express M2 is such nice burst

[undone galleon]

yea u can still pull off the aoe

[gritty geode]

I need to quit this game forever dude

I'm not even that bad, I've been solidly upper half of the team each time

[ivory reef]

Road rage posting

Loss streaks just happen sorry that's just statistics

[vital knoll]

Can always take a break

[gritty geode]

Even at a 33% win rate this is like a .1% chance
I think god is sending me a message

I am

[magic summit]

My biggest loss streak was in dota where I lost 24 games in a row

It was like a hex placed upon me

Just gotta keep queueing

[granite heath]

I think my worst DotA loss streak was 13 games. Felt really good to finally get back on my feet after the win.

[ivory reef]

At 50% it's 0.2%

It's just 1/512

Another way to put it: if you play 500 games this will likely happen to you once

It's really not that miraculous, Tom and I have had worse streaks in dota yeah

13 losses is 1 in 8000

[lavish grove]

I think so far my worse lose streak in deadlock was like, 10 games?

[ivory reef]

Here. I randomly went looking through my match history and lost 8 games

I lost 10/11 games

[lavish grove]

Btw, is there a stat tracking site for deadlock yet?

[vivid nimbus]

Statlocker tries

[lavish grove]

Thanks

[vivid nimbus]

But AIUI the API they use for it is pretty limited

[lavish grove]

…I just checked my stats and saw I was in the bottom 9% of KDA, bottom 4% of deaths, bottom 21% of assists and top 3% of damage taken per minute

That last one is probably because of Victor but like

Wow

That’s Uhh

That’s bad

[ivory reef]

Also I have to correct this: at a 33% win rate a 9 game loss streak is actually a 2.6% chance

[gritty geode]

Yeah, I just need to take a week or more to stop thinking about it.

[ivory reef]

Yeah

Take a break, don't look at your game history

[gritty geode]

I launched myself to emissary VI when I first started playing off of a crazy mo and krill streak and I am hoping this puts me somewhere more realistic 90 games into my career

[fickle kite]

goodness gracious

I'm gunning for emissary now

I'm only arc 5

[finite patrol]

last game was a fun one. the enemy doorman was playing kidnap doorman and went great expansion, vortex web, cheat death, and transcendant cd as his first 4 items and my teammates were losing their mind about it

we eventually rallied and their super fed apollo fell off in the face of our infernus viktor wraith and after 53 minutes with our shrines down the 3 of us walked into base and just ate 2nd phase patron while the rest of our team kept their last couple players buys

[rich grove]

sometimes it be an item 1 bkb kind of game

[finite patrol]

I had to tell my dynamo who kept quantum entangling the damage from hotel guest to stop doing that

[rich grove]

does it give the ult cdr lmfao

[finite patrol]

"if you fail the mini game it resets his cooldown"
"what?! no it doesn't"
"yeah it sets it to 10 seconds you have to do it"

[rich grove]

[finite patrol]

"you cant just dodge the damage"

"oh my god"

[lavish shale]

13 now

[finite patrol]

its the ap5 upgrade, but

ah thanks

the big gameplay patch in March made doorman truly diabolical

Victor's gun damage is wild now

tried him out hybrid with berserker recharging rush and merc mag and it hits like a fucking truck

big problem is it doesnt leave much room for resists

aura of suffering damage is also buffed

[hallow zenith]

Does Haze ult apply bullet hit things?

Like Silencer/Inhibitor

[vivid nimbus]

Yes

It needs it because Fixation is also a bullet hit thing

[somber creek]

Does anyone know how to fix this dang memory leak Deadlock seems to have

[vast sandal]

I have finally escaped Alchemist (again)

[finite patrol]

escaped alchemist
by playing an alchemist who is difficult to escape
hmmm

Bravo kojima

[finite grotto]

Yippie I made it!

[finite patrol]

gettem

[vivid nimbus]

Why do so many rank names start with vowels?

Initiate, Alchemist, Arcanist, Emissary, Archon, Oracle, Ascendant, and Eternus; versus Seeker, Ritualist, and Phantom

[finite grotto]

I locked in for the run and discovered mo and krill for me

[vast sandal]

Exactly

You gotta become the inescapable alchemist to beat the inescapable alchemist

[finite patrol]

🙂‍↕️

[finite grotto]

I do love the newish direction for yam builds and esp building cold/arctic as core

the burst with 2 + cold/arctic and holding m2 express bombs feels so good

def have to get used/remind myself to slide while powerslashing

[finite patrol]

i am shocked cf/ab was not core previously tbh

[finite grotto]

in hindsight ye kinda

but atleast the builds I saw/was broadly guiding myself by didnt really use it before (Soko/Together/Ronald)

also going tier 2 on the 2 before maxing out pslash actually feels way better then i thought

[somber creek]

https://i.imgur.com/7OvQxrl.png

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-peter-griffin-dead-death-pose-falling-off-the-stairs-gif-12021772962162421355

[lavish grove]

How america lost the west

[somber creek]

there we go

a win after 8 losses

I've never had such a streak of an entire team doing so badly so consistently

like multiple no kill blowouts

[vast sandal]

do you exclusively play Street Brawl

[somber creek]

basically yeah

when I'm solo at least

[cosmic cypress]

@ivory reef Mina is such a You character

Also I finally played her and had a blast

[ivory reef]

https://www.tiktok.com/@dia.nthus/video/7567506455696280845

(yes)

https://tenor.com/view/mina-deadlock-vampire-blood-bat-gif-7410126713337398259

[cosmic cypress]

Dark haired girl with red eyes

Schmovement character

I kinda dropped off toward the end because people got wise and focused/interrupted but god you're allowed to be such an annoying little bitch

[ivory reef]

https://tenor.com/view/mina-ha-deadlock-true-gif-157047539847109333

[cosmic cypress]

And with your 1 and love bites people consistently don't know they're In Danger

[ivory reef]

you can still survive, you just need dispel magic, counterspell, and incredible amounts of parkour

[cosmic cypress]

yeah

[ivory reef]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxFMkmQ33q0

[cosmic cypress]

I have zero parkour

[ivory reef]

god my movement is so bad in this video

but it probably still looks cool to newbies

[cosmic cypress]

okay first of all I full screened

so don't call me out when I'm not looking

Me coming back: Schmovement

[ivory reef]

I missed so many mantle slides, and I could've rotated off the bridge much faster

but that's the movement life

you keep getting better

[cosmic cypress]

My slide key has dust on it

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah, I just played an Infernus game and as I was showing up in a flank I saw Mina use dispel on something else and "oh, you're dead" to myself

[ivory reef]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwSUFl1A1Zg me when i'm not playing mina

[cosmic cypress]

I'm down to about 10 characters left to play

lmaooo

[ivory reef]

https://tenor.com/view/owl-sneaky-creeping-nefarious-gif-10105411

[cosmic cypress]

I'm down in cardboard elo so it's surprisingly easy to shoot people from ziplines

I also once got 360 no scoped across a million miles by vindicta ult

in the middle of my triumphant escape

[ivory reef]

LOL

okay so, if you're escaping with 2 hp and there's any chance anyone can shoot you

you wanna zipweave - keep tapping control to zipdash off the line and then hold space to get back on again

[cosmic cypress]

OH- proudest mina moment

I got spawn comboed by doorman

[ivory reef]

ooh

[cosmic cypress]

so I just 2'd out

and destroyed the shrines

[ivory reef]

LOL

[cosmic cypress]

because they were all teamfighting

Thanks for teleporting me into your undefended base, I guess?

[finite patrol]

minaaa haaaaa

[ivory reef]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-push-off-pushing-gif-10856124

[cosmic cypress]

deadlock is REALLY scratching my moba/hero shooter itch without causing saltiness

which is nice

I need to stop looking at my rank tho

It Means Nothing

[ivory reef]

that's excellent, would love to play with you sometime

if you ilke

really want to lose really badly

i'm emissary it makes matchmaking hard with newbies :c

[finite patrol]

playin against people who fucking own you is a good way to learn fast if you are paying attention though

victor's gun sounds very funny when you are firing it irresponsibly fast

[cosmic cypress]

he has such a nice chunky gun sound

[finite patrol]

been messing around with this for a flexible build that can go hybrid or full spirit depending on game state

[finite patrol]

its super satisfying. i like the big slug tossers in this game

i play most of the heroes with big slow bullets

[cosmic cypress]

'Egg?' is sending me

[rich grove]

Egg?

[rich grove]

Egg?

[undone galleon]

egg?

[rich grove]

Egg?

"she calls it a mayonegg"

[finite patrol]

Sometimes you egg, sometimes you dont. I think you usually do though

[mild flume]

I think you do usually

[finite patrol]

Victor sucks shit until like 20k souls so econ help is important

cultist might be worth a try now that the gain is buffed too tbh

for a very light gun build where you just go cultist berserker and leave it at that

[undone galleon]

deadlockworld!strap probs goes crazy

[rich grove]

damn queue times are crazy in

oracle 3?????

oce population cannot be this dire can it

[earnest verge]

yeah on Victor I usually get egg first thing and pop it around the time I want to get Infuser and it'll push me over the line

Not sure if that's when I push over the 20k mark but it sounds like the right ballpark

Usually going for around 1.8-2k by then

There's probably other power spike moments you could aim for

But overall as Victor your job early on is to get safe farm and defend lanes whenever your ult is on cooldown

[worldly dirge]

you want to pop it after 10 min due to getting tier 2 buffs

if i remember corrently

[earnest verge]

I want to say it's more correct to say that that's the earliest point at which you'd want to pop it. I'm admittedly not an expert, but the question is, when does it give you the biggest actual advantage to pop it? Which is going to vary. Popping it is worthwhile if it helps you win fights or accelerates your farm in some way, I'd say

Which I'd intuitively expect to be at around the point at which you grab Exposure or Infuser

[agile void]

thing is, buffs kind of "grow" after the 10 minute mark

I think the tier 3s come up at minute 20? 25?

so in that context its technically "better" to try to grab the sinners after the 10 minute mark to get more perma buffs

still, you want the souls of the sinners more than the buffs themselves to further your lead

[worldly dirge]

the sinners have the highest growth soul wise, the big creeps come after

also initial soul value

oh

just learned this

[worldly dirge]

its 30

so you want to pop egg at 10 min at least

[earnest verge]

yes but that's irrelevant if you lose because you waited too long to pop the egg

though it's generally gonna take you more than 10 minutes as Victor to get to a point where you can buy anything decisive anyway. (or as anyone else who'd grab egg.)

like a moba is fundamentally, assuming equal skills, a competition of who can most usefully gain and apply economy while preventing their enemy from doing the same - popping the egg gives you power no matter when you do it, but the question is whether that power is useful, and what you're giving up by popping it earlier or later in the match

[agile rune]

spikes and troughs

[terse aspen]

I also saw this one
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1276682303384457256/1492965096312406056/IMG_4238.jpg?ex=69dde858&is=69dc96d8&hm=e11a9ce64d3660840a477ba66b0b54a41d46e3f389552a288979b06c07fb5f9b&

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1sk4qcs/paige_college_of_lore_reskin_mod/

[still swan]

Seven wouldnt have a phone cause it means the Feds could track him down

[agile void]

burner phones exist

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1sjtwb4/resident_evil_x_deadlock_silver_kennedy_mina_won/

[terse aspen]

Silver and Leon are both more muscular than that, aren't they?

[agile void]

Leon parries cars

[finite patrol]

yeah I think as victor you want to pop egg close to 10 minutes if it nets you a 3200 or wait until you can cash it in for a 6400. you probably do not want to wait for 30 minutes for tier 3 buffs

popping it at 15/20 minutes to pick up a 3200 is a little rough

[agile void]

the bigger problem is the dps loss

farming camps is slower

[finite patrol]

its not that big a deal imo

you want to be a side lane farmer anyway

the most important part of the damage debuff is it makes your fight worse

[earnest verge]

yeah the dps loss isn't meaningful with tier 1 or 2 jungle camps, which you'll only be able to do one or two of between waves whether or not you have the egg

(I am not a good player, so I don't know if it's fair to say to just not do t3 camps until you have Escalating Exposure, unless you have no other option)

[finite patrol]

depends. sometimes youre the only person on your team who can do them somewhat ok and then it is your job

[vivid nimbus]

A lot of heroes can do T3s fairly early you’ll just take a thousand damage

[magic summit]

I've been largely of the opinion that keeping egg too much longer past 10 minutes is a bit of a troll

Like if its 20 minutes and I see you clutching an egg I just think oh that's why we are losing

[finite patrol]

I usually pop it as close to 10 as possible when it will snag me a tier 3 item

but games generally go longer at lower ranks so keeping it longer is less of an issue

keeping it until 30 minutes for t3 buffs is very greedy though

[vital knoll]

As Victor you can do T3 camps at like ten minutes

You need one (1) Monster Rounds

[earnest verge]

That's fair

[vital knoll]

Healing Booster is appreciated but not mandatory

Well, let me clarify

You can do T3 camps with one hard creep OR the one camp with three hard creeps where you can melee all three at once

[earnest verge]

yeah I sometimes do the former when there's nothing else around

Didn't know about the three melee trick

[vital knoll]

These two camps

Stand right here and look at this angle

[earnest verge]

huh, damn

[vital knoll]

With MR, Victor can do that at ten minutes just by heavy meleeing the creeps and using Jumpstart

I think Aura helps but I'm not 100% certain

I don't know how much spirit res creeps have but it's probably helpful, you just have to be mindful of your HP for sure

[finite grotto]

all planned gang

trust

[finite patrol]

I kinda hope they get rid of the multimelee camps when they do the jungle rework

[merry verge]

It's helpful but it does feel a little like.. idek.. too specific and weird, 'video gamey'? Feels like it'd be healthier for optimal play to not be janky melee hitbox

[plucky tusk]

there's a lot who can do them safely, like graves

woe be upon ye active reload monster round split shot

[agile void]

that doesnt break the 4.8k spike tho...

[finite patrol]

resto shot is core on graves so

[plucky tusk]

Obviously you have resto shot too

[agile void]

ok fair

[plucky tusk]

it's like first pick

That's just the combo of specific buys to melt jungle

And wave

[agile void]

even then arent you better getting some spirit in there ot swapping splitshot for rechargin rush?

[plucky tusk]

Arcane surge and duration imbue are what I typically buy before then

split shot is better than recharging rush on graves imo if you're trying to wave or jungle

the thing is that killing people recharges your 1 anyway

if you just kill mobs your 1 will recharge anyway

Picking up recharge after jungler peak

Try it

You too will become a junglist

Follow me and we will all be ultraviolent junglists

[finite patrol]

its very funny to me that most characters have lower bullet velocity than most modern weapons and then venators gun shoots bullets significantly faster than modern firearms

[earnest verge]

yeah I was speaking very specifically of Victor

[worldly dirge]

i just discovered spirit abrams and i love him

he just cant die

[fickle kite]

the evil blue man makes me rage

[finite patrol]

hes not evil

he is the most honest hero

[fickle kite]

he's a big blue bastard, and I'm going to out punch him every time

[finite patrol]

are you raging because youre getting parried?

[fickle kite]

maybe it's more like a residual rage from having to learn to parry because of Abrams

but also 1v1 between him and Vic are just slug fests

also his gun is dog shit imo

recently my beef with him is how much of a heat seeking missile his 2 can be. I keep getting kidnapped as Lash

[agile void]

how many times are you in the ground? or they P strike/seismic impact you?

[finite patrol]

you can often double jump and wall jump to prevent getting slammed fairly well

[rich grove]

yeah would highly recommend double jump especially if you have The Stamina Brothers

[finite patrol]

as an abrams fan: double jumping is really piss me off >:(((

[merry verge]

Riiight up until Phantom Strike

[finite patrol]

then its time for the floor yeah

[rich grove]

its floor time for you

[finite patrol]

teleport to the floor

phantom strike is super janky though because it doesnt drag you down at the same speed as it drags your target so sometimes you have to downdash

[merry verge]

Yeaaah I kept running into that, and that quarter second of 'ok where is everyone' can save 'em so often

[finite patrol]

yeup

[merry verge]

Sure makes Artic Blast easier to land though

[finite patrol]

Hopefully they smooth it out

do you buy it on doorman ever?

[vast sandal]

@rich grove so the new trick is you just have them ride the cart through looping portals forever

I saw a Doorman do this in one of those tight indoors corridors after Hotel Guest ended so that we had a way to kill Silver without her fighting back

[rich grove]

bro 😭

holy shit

[vast sandal]

because she was just stuck in a cart for the whole duration of the cart

they're adapting

innovating

overcoming

[rich grove]

They Adapted

[vast sandal]

NAH I'D ADAPT

[finite patrol]

doorman players are truly the most evil dota players

whenever im doing well as doorman I feel something overcoming me

[rich grove]

I LET THE DARKNESS OVERTAKE ME

[vast sandal]

when I was going to locals there was a guy there who said Zangief players have something wrong with them and it's like trying to play Street Fighter against a machine learning network that hates you in specific

[fickle kite]

ya that's the thing I'm getting kidnapped mid air

[vast sandal]

and that's what Doorman players are like

[rich grove]

if you get p striked unfortunately theres not really anything to do about it

its just ground time for you

[vast sandal]

counterspell it :^)

skill issue I fear

[fickle kite]

nah the slam isn't the problem it's his shoulder check

the 2

[rich grove]

oh then I got nothing

[fickle kite]

that shit is magnetic

[vast sandal]

counterspell it

[finite patrol]

heres how I'll torture you silver:

1 - the endless hallway

you will go on a ride with no beginning and no end. devils will torment you as you ride until your body is more wound than flesh

[rich grove]

the hull is bizarrely shaped but double jump will pretty consistently get you over at proper timing

[vast sandal]

I want to get off mr. bones's wild ride...

[plucky tusk]

Unless you buy dispel

[vast sandal]

yes, well, as noted by some people already

Dispel counters the entire character of Doorman now

[lavish grove]

I don’t buy dispel because you only need dispel if you get hit get the enemy CC

[plucky tusk]

The marrow injector

I will inject your marrow with dispel magic

[rich grove]

biotoxic disinjector

[plucky tusk]

Drifter and doorman I notice have this effect more than others

when you play them you develop your Dotasona that takes over

People who play cautiously will suddenly start diving and all chatting after picking drifter

[vast sandal]

Lash

Lash also does this

[plucky tusk]

People who do nothing but disrespect the 1v1 will suddenly create doohickeys as doorman

Lash absolutely does that

I think Abrams takes you over but only to say obviously wrong things

[vast sandal]

lmao

there are also characters whose ults specifically take over your brain

[plucky tusk]

I play Abrams and suddenly start feeling the desire to claim I've never bug abused and that I respect 1v1

[vast sandal]

having access to Last Stand makes my IQ drop like a rock

similarly, if I have Return to Shadows ready I start playing like I'm immortal

what are they gonna do, kill me

[finite grotto]

and not even only ults

now with the new yamato route

going T2 on yamato 2 first

the temptation for the 45 meter pull is always there

you jsut gotta click it...

[vast sandal]

Warden sees a grouped enemy team, Warden goes IT'S TIME TO CHANGE THE WORLD

[vast sandal]

Yamato players be hitting buttons they know better than to hit

[plucky tusk]

Luna please

Respect the 1v1

[lavish grove]

I’ve never played with a lash player in VC that didn’t roleplay him

[vast sandal]

1v1? I think you mean 1v6

[lavish grove]

And they tended to do better when they role played him

[plucky tusk]

So to be good you need to jump I see

Smh. Where is your fight honour spirit

[vast sandal]

what no, to be good I need them to jump me

[finite grotto]

Use your ult to pull people away and then escape?

NAH

PRESS 1

[vast sandal]

I'm going in.

I'm going in.

[lavish grove]

Die

[vast sandal]

Here comes... the grand finale!

[lavish grove]

I dread hearing the bell no matter what team the lash is on

If it’s the enemy then it’s a huge team fight winning ult

If it’s my ally it means my lash is going in

[vast sandal]

Lash ult
hit nothing
die
thanks allied lash

you'll get em next time buddy

I need to start picking characters with huge, teamfight defining ults so that I don't have to trust a random to land them

[finite grotto]

tbf the intimidation ult where you clearly positioned wrong and no one is in your circle but you tell yourself you scared em away is valid!

esp pre no points in ult

also sometimes judging the range esp early is really fucky

[lavish grove]

I think the worst lash ult I’ve ever seen was when I was watching my friend play while doing homework

He had just revived

And a team fight was breaking out in mid

So he went on the zip line, boosted the team fight

And hit his ult

…only for the momentum from the zip line to carry the floating lash over a building

[vast sandal]

GOD

[finite grotto]

it sucks when that happens for sure

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1skqspi/i_am_dynamo_ama/

[finite patrol]

is this why so many Yamatos have been killing themselves on me lol

[finite grotto]

prob lol

[finite patrol]

dude im under my fucking walker and my guardian is still up

there is a scarab on you you don't do any damage

[finite grotto]

ye but i can press 2 and gain 40 spirit power and m2 with express or mystic shot!

and its sick

[finite patrol]

as sick as possible *throws up and dies*

[finite grotto]

also the invul from ult cast is such an insidious mindkiller of intelligent decision making

[gray otter]

the hard to destroy thingamajig...

[desert kelp]

ok this is a hot take and i want to know if im alone on this:

i do not like either the voice acting or writing of abrams. 1930's new york noire private detective is a very flavorful and fun archetype but his voicelines dont sell it all. he lack any sort of jadedness or worldliness that comes with the PI trope. He feels more like a toughguy bouncer or henchman rather than a believable detective. I get that he's also supposed to be a hellboy homage ontop of being just massive to begin with, but i feel like that just ends up with him being overly toughguy at the expense of all other aspects of his character.

[vast sandal]

Abrams is just kinda crusty and early-dev-problems

[somber creek]

Abrams clearly hasn't had a second VA session yet

[vast sandal]

He’s like Sinclair and Yamato and a few other early development characters

[finite patrol]

warden my beloved

[lavish grove]

I mean he’s not that bad

[vast sandal]

Yamato has gotten more voice sessions though

[lavish grove]

Abrams is actually pretty far in his development and is in the lady Geist VN

I think it’s just the direction they want for him

[glass flicker]

Did they actually ever nerf Victor because he’s still a pain to play against

[finite patrol]

he used to have 4 dispel magics on his 2

[finite patrol]

last patch was a buff cus he was pretty dang bad

[vivid nimbus]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1skdwus/this_is_the_cleanest_thing_ive_ever_done/

This is sick as hell

[earnest verge]

yeah all the anti-heal stuff actually works now (outside unstoppable etc)

As opposed to only the on-hit ones being reliable

Still gets 50% status resist from his maxed-out 2 and that's still really good

[finite patrol]

that change was good but it dumpstered him a little

aura having dash slow now is extremely good

[earnest verge]

Yeah

[finite patrol]

stamina mastery movement buff my beloved

[undone galleon]

i do love how viscous' 3 works as a mobility tool

[worldly dirge]

its a double edged sword though, there where times where i was attempting to know the enemy back but i instead did so to my allies in a chase

[worldly dirge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1245526502901284935/1493550821630152784/iHq95asUqYWZJDp1.mp4?ex=69df6118&is=69de0f98&hm=a39c81d199419bdfeca46d126557106747fe1e0a997fa8790825157993f73235&

[lavish grove]

Last patch was buffs across the board besides his aura now taking longer to ramp up

[worldly dirge]

but it does ramp up to more damage i think

[lavish grove]

Yah

[worldly dirge]

it does make it a little harder to keep up the healing then, so could be considered a small nerf too

[lavish grove]

I wouldn’t say so

The damage aura deals is way more important the health you lose from it

Victor is at his strongest when his aura deals a lot of damage

[earnest verge]

plus spirit life steal helps cancel it out, more than cancel it out during Infuser or Ethereal Shift

plus it recharges his 1 which gives even more life steal

[lavish grove]

And they buffed the healing jumpstart gives him

He’s definitively stronger this patch

[agile rune]

the most important kind of sustain is killing your opponent

[lavish grove]

Exactly

Victor is built to lose health

Him losing more is not an issue

It also helps build pain battery faster

[agile rune]

in this essay I will argue dps characters are tanks

[lavish grove]

So true bestie

[finite grotto]

enhanced extra regen kinda goated sheesh

[lavish grove]

Goddamn

I wonder how the game would change if you could somehow access enhanced items in the main game mode

I’d imagine enhanced curse becomes the best item in the game

Like, everyone build it every game kind of best item

[vivid nimbus]

Enhanced healing rite is 900 hp heal, +8m sprint, on a 10s cooldown

[lavish grove]

That’s probably another everyone build it kinda item

[gray otter]

id imagine itd be like

a side objective

[warm sonnet]

There was leak-talk about an alternative shop with "cursed", quasi-enhanced items

[gray otter]

that let you enhance one of your items

[agile void]

https://youtube.com/shorts/IUqYp4M0Pmk

[merry verge]

I feel like the game is healthier if Victor isn't strong the mans is so uninteractive

[bleak thicket]

Enhanced refresher + enhanced transcendent cool down dynamo

[lavish grove]

Yah valve cannot allow enhanced items in the main game

[agile void]

10 sec cd on enhanced curse

fuck that

[vivid nimbus]

Enhanced trophy collector is 99 max stacks and 4% range/stack

[vivid nimbus]

If you put this on a character whose AOE goes through walls (eg. Paradox pulse grenade) you can't even throw curse at them

[cerulean pendant]

asking for a friend, how viable is gun build holliday? they want to build around the headshot 3 and im not sure if thats gonna fly well

[lavish grove]

Not very unfortunately

She builds some gun items like alchemist fire but I’ve never seen a dedicated gun build be good on her

[merry verge]

They did just make it a lot more functional but idk if Pure Gun will keep up

[agile void]

in general holliday these days cant keep up

you are not a character past 15 mins unless you farm, or your ult becomes a counterspell check

[cerulean pendant]

i did try to steer them onto vindicta if they wanted to tap heads but im not sure if thats the play

[merry verge]

Geist has a revolver, Paradox and Doorman can both fish for headshots p well..

[eternal dune]

Headshot Dynamo is pretty real, his gun is easy to aim and it procs recharging shot

[cerulean pendant]

oo

actually geist might be fun ill mention that to them

[merry verge]

She's also currently a monster

And you get to build Spellslinger

[cerulean pendant]

saw a gameplay from a geist player that managed to rack up 135k player damage and that was kinda crazy

[merry verge]

Lategame Geist is a real terror, 4k hp you have to take down twice, great dps

[cerulean pendant]

whats the itemization like?

[eternal dune]

She's really open-ended rn

[merry verge]

Idk about Gun Geist specifics but a lot them end up sort of spirit bruisers with Spellslinger to round out

I've seen Gun work just don't know the builds

Also has that Melee Apollo they've been pushing amounted to much

[cerulean pendant]

apollo still the bane of my existence before and after patches so im not sure

[vital knoll]

Gun geist is like kdash berserker spellslinger with some items to help your spirit damage and survival, and then late game you go for ricochet AP rounds etc

Dew's build is good

[vestal hearth]

By Hieumay (@hieumayart) on Twitter.com.

Goes hard.

[worldly dirge]

https://youtu.be/-Hhp3HsVaIs

[vestal hearth]

By Vincent | COMMS closed (@feiyuu__)

[fickle kite]

Enhanced mystical piano is a joke

that shit is unacceptable

[final osprey]

It's an enhanced legendary, they should be absolutely game braking.
Especially as the enemy will also be given the option of choosing one

[fickle kite]

i do not like it, it's a gimmick from hell and makes me want to unplug my keyboard

[somber creek]

It is unfortunately a toy mode with toys in it so gimmicks do be a thing

I find enhanced shrink ray to be way more frustrating lol

[merry verge]

Ohh new Pulse Grenade vfx

Now that it Kills You should be more noticable that's nice

[fickle kite]

i think I might pick up yamato

and drop seven

Victor, Lash, Yamato? Thats pretty good I think

i feel like Yamato builds very similar to Big Vic

[vast sandal]

Yamato and Apollo are Spirit melee bruisers like Victor, just less inclined to run you down and kill you by making you smell their horrible aura so much as having powerful close-in spirit attacks

[fickle kite]

i do like telling enemy Victors to wash their ass

not me tho

my victor smells cool and good

i had really good and cool trades with a Yamato last night in my last game

70 minute game

[vast sandal]

Agh yes

The classic “no one knows how to end” match

[fickle kite]

i think we were vastly out skilled and the opps got a little lazy and silly

I only came online at 20 minutes and became a dedicated tank buster and it just should never have been my job

so honestly it was probably my fault for delaying the inevitable

[merry verge]

Yamato stands out for me among the Spirit Bruisers for owning a railgun shaped like a sword

[vast sandal]

Look, it’s very simple to end a Deadlock match, you get like one or two faces up (how this is accomplished is a mystery), you force an objective, if you take the objective then the situation resets and if they fight it you kill them and take midboss

If you get midboss you win / take objectives plural and the situation resets

Repeat til everything the enemy team owns is broken

[merry verge]

I really need to pick up a character that can actually push lanes/towers

It feels so rough to pick up a kill or something and amount to like

Throwing a rock at the Walker

( but this is why we steal jungle )

[lavish shale]

use abilities on Walker

[merry verge]

I doo

[fickle kite]

quick Q about her. If you're at 1/24 rounds and you alt fire it still does max damage only consuming that final shot?

[vast sandal]

Objectives are weird they’re kinda more like buffer zone that defines how many more times your team can screw up and go down faces than valuable unto themselves

[merry verge]

Silver Slam Fire at least chunks

[vast sandal]

Yes, it’s silly

[fickle kite]

no thats so awesome

[vast sandal]

Same with Viscous alt fire

[fickle kite]

fuck ya that rules

[vast sandal]

If you’re being giga optimal with Viscous every clip ends with a flubber bomb

[fickle kite]

i like that a lot

[merry verge]

It mostly matters in early slapfights but feels great for Yamato Laning

[fickle kite]

ya I think I'll stick with 'er

the grapple seems silly.

[merry verge]

The Go In Button

ever tempting

insidious

[fickle kite]

someone said it yesterday

lash ult into ground pound

you wanna but is it always wise

[hallow zenith]

Yamato is very fun, yeah

[fickle kite]

i think i have a preference

the spirit focus burst characters seem super fun

i really should pick up a gun carry

idk. Vicky the gun slinger can still be super fun since the buffs

weighted shots, berserker

[merry verge]

I've been having fun with Venator but I do trend melee

though Weighted Shots and Berserker also often on the table

[fickle kite]

Ven would be fun to rp

and lately he's been running my games

mmmmmmaybe I go all the way in on Holliday

she's so silly, but her gun finally works

[spring tundra]

Yamato rules but i do not feel like i know how she works

Also are the holliday gun improvements really that good?

[fickle kite]

she has left the territory of "what the sweet fuck are they doing with this character" and has entered "ya, ok"

aaalso lash air master lord of the rooftops gameplay has helped me a lot with placing shots while airborne

just another reason The Lash truly is him

[vast sandal]

Victor with Frenzy/Berserker/Spirit Rend is a terrifying being

You don’t need much else to make hybrid Victor a menace, Siphon Bullets and like

Surge of Power, Vamp Burst, QS reload (Merc Mag) on Pain Battery

Fucker is menacing

You siphon your own health to become The Creature and then kill everything

I saw a friend of mine running this build and going like 30 kills after the Spirit Lifesteal nerf on Vic

[vast sandal]

Yes

Holliday’s gun went from “what the fuck is this even” to a solidly above average gun

[spring tundra]

Nice

[vast sandal]

She still is kinda Ms Doesn’t Deal Damage

[spring tundra]

Also tbh i still think holliday is in “what the fuck are we doing here”

[vast sandal]

But hey

Bounce pads and lasso?

[spring tundra]

The bounce pads are such a weird piece of kit to give her specifically

[vast sandal]

Like at least now she’s competently A Hero You Can Play with a decent gun and a decent spirit poke and a very bizarre and hard to use passive and a solid pick ult

[spring tundra]

Also her being prinarily a Barrel Spam Engine

[fickle kite]

it's still all barrel which makes me so sad

[vast sandal]

Yea every Holliday player I know thinks her damage options suck

[spring tundra]

I really hope she gets a full rework at some point

[vast sandal]

It’s barrel or nuthin

[spring tundra]

Because her character and theme just

Do not match

Her gameplay

[vast sandal]

My take is that Holliday should have Crack Shot completely replaced with some kind of trick shooting ability that makes bullets ricochet beyond the normal Ricochet item and fan the hammer while doing it

Give her a gun buff that turns it into a diabolical damage tool

It would be fun and thematic for a Wild West gunfighter throwback

[spring tundra]

[fickle kite]

Painfully true

turn her into a highflyer sure but also gun focus burst machine

I'm fine with jump pad give her lasso to someone else

[vast sandal]

Six Deadly Bullets: immediately reload, setting Holliday’s bullet count to six. While these bullets remain, her gun gains Ricochet, head-seeking properties, and greatly increased damage. Six Deadly Bullets prioritizes ricocheting off of enemy heroes, then barrels, and lastly other enemy NPCs

[spring tundra]

Every individual bit of her kit is fine

[fickle kite]

but together? Eeeeh

[spring tundra]

But its like if you gave one character Mcguinesses healing spirit, drifters claw attack, bebops bomb and like…. Viscous’s ult

[vast sandal]

Voice line:
“I never miss the mark”
“Run all you like, you’ll just die tired”
“Now you’ll see if I live up to the name”
Critical:
“All or nothing…”
“Draw!”

[spring tundra]

Where there just does not feel like theres synergy or a concrete mechanical identiity

[fickle kite]

issss high noon

lmao

[vast sandal]

Idk she just isn’t a gunfighter

[spring tundra]

Her identity rn is barrel spam and an ult that is more annoying than anything else

[vast sandal]

Which feels so silly for Doc Holliday reference the character

[fickle kite]

it has very cool utility

but thats pretty much it

[vast sandal]

If you get lasso’d and her team is on the ball you ARE dead

Its the pick tool ever

[fickle kite]

so true

she grabs you then some nightmare person rescue beams her and suddenly you've been kidnapped

and the wolves descend

[vast sandal]

Idk it’s just

Her backstory is she does trick shots at the county fair and is Doc Holliday’s granddaughter

Her kit is jumping around throwing barrels at people

Is she supposed to be Holliday Jr, or Donkey Kong Jr.?

[fickle kite]

lmao

cowgirl™

[vast sandal]

My real gripe is this

What about lasso is better than a hook

A hook

[fickle kite]

was honestly my draw to the character in the first place and maybe we've just been exposed to other cowperson™ in other games so we have assumptions on how those characters should play

[vast sandal]

From dooooown toooooown

A hook

From so far downtown, they speak another language

A hook!

From so far downtown, they haven’t finished laying the pavement!

A HOOK

FROM DOOOOOOOOWN

TOOOOOOOOOWN

https://youtube.com/watch?v=zrfTZ02nceE

This guide is mandatory viewing

[fickle kite]

is clockwerk a dots fella?

[vast sandal]

Yeah

More importantly this is like

If you watch this video you automatically understand what Bebop players are thinking

They have two thoughts

The first is “I gotta land bomb on cooldown”

The other is

A HOOK

-# FROM DOOOOOOOOOOWN TOOOOOOOOOOWN

[fickle kite]

-# a hook!

thats pretty funny. My main back in the day was Nautilus

[vast sandal]

Yea if you land a max range hook as a hook character in a MOBA they give you a medal irl

[fickle kite]

I do like a hook

fuck passives

Thats real I don't want a sub menu for my abilities tell me what I frickin do tell the other team too so they know I'm not to be fucked with

[somber creek]

So i have been playing her a ton and I think it helps her a lot

Crackshot can actuall deal half a person's health with the right build

But also deadlock is a game that is antithetical to headshots

[fickle kite]

no!

[vast sandal]

The surge of dopamine into my brain when I land a Bebop hook on someone who is actively dodging or jumping around to make it harder hits so hard I sometimes forget it’s a bad idea to hook characters that have more health than you and start brawling with them

[somber creek]

The way the camera works and how models flip around constantly

[fickle kite]

nuhuh!

[vast sandal]

I just go UNGA BUNGA THAT’S A HOOK BABY

TIME TO GET JIGGY WITH IT

It works out sometimes, dragging enemies under guardian is shockingly lethal early on

[fickle kite]

see the hook is really cool because it's all "I want to fight!"

My new hell is feeling bad that I accidentally obliterated my Wraith who is playing safe under tower by lash ulting 4 people directly on top of her

[vast sandal]

Genuinely if we get aghs in Deadlock just let Bebop have a hook altcast that drags him to the target instead

[fickle kite]

And that was fucked up of me true but we got two kills so

[somber creek]

But yeah Crackshot does chunk now

Her barrels are still pretty anemic for how complex they are to hit

[fickle kite]

I like it!

not the barrels, the crackshot

I've been treating barrels as cc

like Geist bombz

or frickin seven ballz

[spring tundra]

I am doing p good w lash lately

Although ive mostlu been playing SB

[fickle kite]

whats your focus?

They made me play gun lash yesterday and I was totally lost

[spring tundra]

Oh huge spirit

Lash is a caster lol

[plucky tusk]

sb builds are made up bullshit unlike my real builds in standard that are 100% legit

[spring tundra]

I play him like its attack on titan

[plucky tusk]

i say, buying richochet yet again

[spring tundra]

Im up spamming my 2

Flying around

[fickle kite]

Gotta stay high

[plucky tusk]

ok there is actually a reason why you dont want to do that emily

knockdown will ruin you

in SB its totalyl fine

nobody counterbuys in that

but in standard thats a fast track to stun city

[fickle kite]

ya 3 is my focus it eventually does enough to proc tank buster

[spring tundra]

Mym

[fickle kite]

Which I hunt for otherwise I feel like I do not add anything

[spring tundra]

Oh yeah if u juice his 3 its

Gross

[fickle kite]

nifty little poke

In and out 3 seconds of pressure

[spring tundra]

It can make you really annoying to kill too since you get actually like

[finite grotto]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fKPSvcF3fM still one of my favourite deadlock vvideos

[spring tundra]

Quite a lot of gealing

From it

[vast sandal]

okay so

this is why I think Dispel is core on Lash

don't accept limitations to Jacob Lash's nonsense

if you wanna fly high just do it and if they knock you down dispel that garbage

(people also like to buy Slowing Hex and a bunch of other bullshit to counter Lash, it's very good practice and it gets some green in your diet)

[finite grotto]

I do think you are only going dispel like late on lash

or if like 3+ knockdown

[fickle kite]

I'm learning a lot

[finite grotto]

ideally you should never really be that long in the air itself

[plucky tusk]

A lot of slowing hex is not unusual

[plucky tusk]

Slowing hex turns it off though

[fickle kite]

counterspell or die like a dog on the piss soaked pavement of the cursed apple

[vast sandal]

Lmfao

real

🤝

I should pick up Lash and Apollo they're very my flavor

I loooooove playing Calico

[finite grotto]

dispell is real nice ye but you really need stam mastery or warp or maj leap first on lash and then go like healbane

[plucky tusk]

Sometimes you got accept slowing your build progress to not get slowed and killed

[finite grotto]

I do agree ye but if you get slowed while in the air you just either 1 out or go in

I think on lash you do just take a potential slowing hex death over delaying oyur core damage

[fickle kite]

shout out Cali

[finite grotto]

since you fall of the longer the game goes

[fickle kite]

only good banter with a cali so far

or doorman. Doorman banter is highkey always good

[finite grotto]

I usually go debuff reducer rather then dispel if i realllly feel like i am getting countered mid game

[fickle kite]

thats if a mirage is in my lane

[vast sandal]

it is sorta wibbly because Lash is so so so dependent on having Da Damage

[finite grotto]

post 4.8 health spike*

ye

delaying your damage hurts you sooooo much

[vast sandal]

Calico is similar

[fickle kite]

you just have so much escape with cali

[vast sandal]

if you delay damage as Calico (or her kill confirm, which I think you always opt into Frost Blast for) then you are in real danger of never snowballing

[fickle kite]

Like mina

[spring tundra]

And unstoppable

And counterspell

God himself will not stop you

[vast sandal]

unstop kinda core for Lash lategame

[spring tundra]

Yeah

[fickle kite]

the dynamic duo

[finite grotto]

and you wanna get all three 4.8k spikes as soon as possible

[spring tundra]

You NEED to pop it before your ult

Le that shit is

[vast sandal]

you need the Death Slam to go through

[spring tundra]

Not happening

[plucky tusk]

Mina pressing her ult to escape when i hit her with the drifter combo and she fucking dies

[fickle kite]

lol

Couldn't be me

[vast sandal]

Mina using ult to escape is so funny

[fickle kite]

couldn't be mina

[vast sandal]

Nox Nostra is really one of the spells ever

[finite grotto]

Unstop do be really game dependant and I very often just get away with not going it tbh

[vast sandal]

I find it very frustrating that it has such strong tracking when it's also got a Silence and a fuckton of damage and Love Bites application

[fickle kite]

Lash ult coordinated with nox nostra?

ggs

that shit feels so god damn good

Or dyno ult

[plucky tusk]

that's why you gotta kill ger

[vast sandal]

like I get it, Mina is literally only damage and mobility and has no utility spells, no cc, no alternatives if she gets countered and she's made of paper

[finite grotto]

I am really split on mina ult

[vast sandal]

so her ult has to be fucking NUCLEAR

[plucky tusk]

The right play against Nox nostra is to just fucking kill her if you can

[finite grotto]

like it does a lot but you really do not fucking focus on it at all

[vast sandal]

it's like Dynamo

you just have to fucking silence+kill Dynamo before he fucks the whole teamfight up

[finite grotto]

I am currently still on the hype train of yam 2 being one of the most stupid spells in the game

[fickle kite]

easier said than done sometimes

[plucky tusk]

it also feels so good when you kill the opponent mina after clicking nox nostra and she calls you a homosexual in all chat

[eternal dune]

Many such cases

[fickle kite]

thats not the word she used

[vast sandal]

like sometimes you just gotta accept that what you need in your life is Focus Lens because there's one motherfucker who's gonna send the entire teamfight straight to hell with their 4

[fickle kite]

lmao

[merry verge]

I feel like the current form of Quantum Displacement shan't exist for all that long

[plucky tusk]

I'm not posting the word she used

[fickle kite]

Ik

[merry verge]

Dynamo seems coked out

[plucky tusk]

like Jesse pinkman post

[finite grotto]

the real question

[vast sandal]

Quantum Displacement is getting changed again and it's happening soon

that shit is NUTS

please put it on a 30 second cooldown

[finite grotto]

are you a maj leap first or stam mastery first lash player (or warp)

[fickle kite]

I'm sort of ok with it

[vast sandal]

ough Maj Leap so fun

[merry verge]

'We don't like Viscous low cooldown cube countering ultimates. Anyway, Dynamo-'

[fickle kite]

Mastery and then ofc warpstone

[finite grotto]

I go maj leap first every time after 4.8 spirit and 4.8 gun

[fickle kite]

hey if you're not warpstoning you're a different breed and I respect the hell out of you

[finite grotto]

It just such a nice assasination tool for midgame

[fickle kite]

but tbh I just want to be in and then not in

[finite grotto]

like ye maj leap ult is cool but maj leap 1 to kill someone splitpushing is 😎

[vast sandal]

I've been contemplating Maj Leap on Calico

[finite grotto]

huh

[merry verge]

Catapult...

[vast sandal]

but she already has Cat Rotation as a spell

[plucky tusk]

Quantum displacement now has a 30 second cooldown and 30 second startup

[merry verge]

Yeah they both have the combat caveat

[vast sandal]

buuuut I'd love to be able to jump over teamfights and right into the backline

it's probably marginal tbh

[fickle kite]

do the Calicos build a warpstone?

[finite grotto]

I am def more of a go in and then stay in

[vast sandal]

nah Calico fast as fuck

[finite grotto]

not rly

[vast sandal]

Stam Mastery very strong

her movement is already really good so getting more is very efficient

[finite grotto]

enduring speed is usally enough and stamM later ya

[fickle kite]

that makes sense

[finite grotto]

I did stop playing calico tho cause I find her clunky as hell

[fickle kite]

woah really you'd think she's butter

[vast sandal]

that's crazy because I think she's one of the most fluid characters in the game and one of the most like

impossible to shake

[fickle kite]

at least the ones I've played

[vast sandal]

getting run down by Calico is like trying to outrun a heat seeking missile

She's Coming At Ya Like Cleopatra

[finite grotto]

I dunno what it is but I am not gelling with her rotation and how her abilties feel except the 2

[fickle kite]

well no shade but I've run down some poor chud as Vic

[plucky tusk]

calico is smooth as hell

[merry verge]

Calico I just kind a lil one note

[plucky tusk]

she is but its a good note

[merry verge]

Not really like optional ways to use her stuff

[plucky tusk]

Like driftuh

[merry verge]

Yeye

[plucky tusk]

your job is to kill people in new and inventive picks

The fun of them is learning how to specifically kill That Guy

[merry verge]

Drifter is the dog to her cat despite Silver existing

[vast sandal]

she's linear but I like what she does a lot and she's very very mobile

[finite grotto]

ye but for that I play yamato

I LOVE that the new yam builds go t2 2 first

[plucky tusk]

Yamato doesn't scale with every kill tho

[finite grotto]

it is so fucking fun

[plucky tusk]

thats the thing that really rewards your picks as cal and drifuh

[vast sandal]

you just look at a motherfucker and go "I'm gonna scrunch this nerd no matter where they run"

[finite grotto]

ye but yam is just as snowbally

[plucky tusk]

your success in assassinations creates easier and easier assassinations

[finite grotto]

you have the by far best opening

[vast sandal]

tbh

[plucky tusk]

no definitely not

[vast sandal]

Calico bonus cash is not that nuts

it's a little extra on the side

[finite grotto]

hundo percent

[plucky tusk]

you underestimate late game drifuh

[merry verge]

Drifter snowball is so silly

[plucky tusk]

1,000 damage per shot

Instant teleports

[merry verge]

If they get a good opening it's ruinous

[finite grotto]

i am not saying that drifter is bad in late tho at all

I am just saying that yamato is also a really snowbally character

[plucky tusk]

I know. I'm saying he's by far a bigger snowball

[vast sandal]

Drifter is less snowbally and more like

[fickle kite]

would someone elaborate on calis bounty?

[vast sandal]

inevitable ruin

[fickle kite]

I've not read it

[plucky tusk]

you become the approaching calamity

[vast sandal]

it WILL come to pass that Drifter is going to become a fat round chud that fucking kills you

[merry verge]

Yeah but sometimes he does so with like a glance

The stacks

[vast sandal]

Calico gets like 200 extra souls if you die within 4 seconds of getting hit by her 2 at T2

[plucky tusk]

it's so normal to see drifter at like 2/10/12 and then you blink and it's like 8/10/12 and then it becomes 12/10/14 and it's suddenly 20/10/45

[fickle kite]

aaah interesting

[vast sandal]

it's not a lot but early game it means she gets a jump start on buying shit to kill you more efficiently with

[merry verge]

Fed Drifter Rend reaches through your screen and kills you in real life

[plucky tusk]

I one time killed someone so fast that they didn't even get the chance to fire at me

[merry verge]

Can't believe it silences now

[plucky tusk]

it felt really bad for them

they just ceased to exist

[vast sandal]

the difference between Drifter and the spirit assassins is that Yamato, Calico, Paradox etc are in the business of keeping up the momentum by relentlessly killing more people and getting stronger over the course of the midgame

Drifter is also in that business but his scaling is so catastrophic that he doesn't need to stay active and murder people all the time

[plucky tusk]

Drifter only needs to get like 5-6 assists and the Saturn devouring his chuds is inevitable

[vast sandal]

conversely

[merry verge]

I've been doing bleed stack Driftin and it's a good time

[vast sandal]

Yamato/Calico/Paradox etc are so deviously strong earlygame compared to Drifter