He's no friend of mine
#Deadlock
plucky tusk
agile rune
Drifting
plucky tusk
He's in my roster I've just never pulled him from the character gacha
ok bye im sleep
vast sandal
Also I think it’s very funny that one of Calico’s kill lines is “I am superior.”
plucky tusk
Driftin... Off to rem time
vast sandal
Just straight up affirming she’s better
Daily Calico affirmations
- you are better than other people
- being rich justifies whatever you had to do to get there
- it’s okay to murder children if their parents pay you to do it
- your cat still loves you even if your husband and son don’t
I really appreciate how the Deadlock cast is full of deeply flawed characters who all have some reason they’re chill with working with literally whoever to get their wish
Even Paige, who seems very morally straight laced, will ignore it all if she can find Bryce
Also she starts to lapse into some concerning egomaniac shit on her kill streak lines
vivid nimbus
I love Pocket's kill and killstreak lines
vast sandal
Pocket truly believes that killing people is wrong and wants to end this as nonviolently as possible
They really aren’t about that life
It’s nice
spring tundra
I really appreciate how the Deadlock cast is full of deeply flawed characters wh...
so i actually think that this is probably while troubador isnt ever gonna be like
a playable guy
vast sandal
If they do get a hero appearance, the Troubadour is gonna have to be on some shit where it’s like
“Okay Holliday, we finish this fight and then it’s down to you and me”
vivid nimbus
What we know about the Holliday VN ||seems to involve her successfully taking the Troubador down, permanently||
spring tundra
oh shit!
vast sandal
||Yeah her conversation with Haze implies that whatever was up with the Troubadour, it’s permanently dealt with and her beef now is with the OSIC for wanting to recruit it instead of kill it||
||Haze isnt psyched about it either||
vivid nimbus
Yep
vast sandal
I wonder what you want to wish for, Haze…
The Patrons are bemused by it but won’t spell it out directly
vivid nimbus
I actually think Haze wants out
maiden ledge
HAZE
somber creek
Haze could just leave
vivid nimbus
Yeah exactly
maiden ledge
DECIDE: NEVER TOUCH HAZE AGAIN
OR BE OBLITERATED INTO NOTHINGNESS
- Hidden King xoxo
vivid nimbus
Two other lines that stand out to me
(HK) "There is a life waiting for you, Haze, and once you complete the ritual, it can be yours!"
(AM) "You sacrificed so much in the name of duty. But today... you will be made whole."
And based on vibes, I think she sacrificed her human body for the power to be all smokey and invade dreams
Her wish might mean she can't be a sandman anymore
vast sandal
I mean if it’s a wish she could simply wish to have a human body and also be a sandman when she wants to be one
The Patrons’ powers are vast
maiden ledge
dynamo just wants the bod and to call it quits and maybe also get another fucked up bod by checking out what seven's deal is
cosmic cypress
I won!
maiden ledge
You won!
vast sandal
Did you drift on em
cosmic cypress
I love him
the fucking serial killer whistle
I had a lot of trouble deciding when to go in, and sometimes just diving too deep and getting 3v1's
vast sandal
Another Driftah player has been identified
vast sandal
I had a lot of trouble deciding when to go in, and sometimes just diving too dee...
This is the like, classical ubiquitous Drifter player problem
cosmic cypress
Yeah
maiden ledge
oihhhh your the driftuhg
vast sandal
It’s hard to judge which fights you want to go in on and Drifter has no way out except killing everyone
cosmic cypress
I was sold early but like
The Moment was when I hit a doorman with 2
he did a fancy escape and I just
Teleported behind him
vivid nimbus
I had a lot of trouble deciding when to go in, and sometimes just diving too dee...
Lee Sin moment
vast sandal
Okay so
cosmic cypress
WHY HELLO THERE, BOY
vast sandal
As a Doorman player
Don’t teleport through a door
Just don’t do it
Whenever I have Drifter’s mark on me my first thought is “what devious realm of Hell can I bait this Drifter into”
cosmic cypress
Oh no, this was like
his team is fighting my team, he's on 2hp
in cardboard elo
cosmic cypress
I'm not getting An Elaborate Trap here
vast sandal
But don’t get complacent with Doorman, he will lure you into realms of suffering you cannot comprehend
maiden ledge
i got carried into ritualist and now I'm getting my ass beat nonstop
if i get into a losing streak valve should just hand me a button that says demote now
cosmic cypress
I don't think I will keep playing Drifter because I think he needs good move tech and map knowledge
which I don't have and don't want to learn
vast sandal
I say this both as a Doorman player and also as a Calico player who’s followed Doorman to terrible places before
maiden ledge
Never follow Doorman
undone galleon
may has infected me so bad that i went to check his abilities online & put into the searchbar "the drifter"
maiden ledge
the drifttttuhhh
undone galleon
da driftuh
vivid nimbus
I don't think I will keep playing Drifter because I think he needs good move tec...
He is a roamer but I don't think he needs good move tech compared to other roamers. Map knowledge? Yeah you need that
vast sandal
Doorman will lead you places you wouldn’t go with 3 rejuv charges and a pocket support
cosmic cypress
Drifter is a 10/10 for style though
vast sandal
Like his spawn room
cosmic cypress
his fucking evil whistle
vast sandal
I love sending enemies in base to my spawn room
cosmic cypress
Also promoted to Alchemist II
maiden ledge
Doorman will send you to spawn room and hop up on ledge to cart you back into it if you try to warp or leap out
vast sandal
Alright everybody, let’s see whats behind door #1! it’s death!
vast sandal
Vortex Web into cart into unimaginable torments he’s devised for you
maiden ledge
like that bell is godawful but getting kidnapped with that setup in like. your own jungle next to base is iust
just something else
vast sandal
Him chuckling and going “you almost got me!” when you use critical health Hotel Guest is so goddamned evil
maiden ledge
Doorman with Cheat Death is just hero harassment nonstop
like cool he doors back into base wtf are you gonna do follow him?
if you're a fed victor, you might
vivid nimbus
Spawn does % health true damage so really you just need to not get stunned in there as you kill him
And also make your way the rest of the way out of base
agile rune
The Patrons’ powers are vast
But not unlimited
Wait do we have a new fan of the third fast and furious movie?
maiden ledge
If the Doorman is playing right he'll dunk you with a cart into the wall if you follow him and if he misses
somber creek
God I hope Holiday gets reworked soon
agile rune
What needs a rework on holiday
maiden ledge
somber creek
Well besides a visual update, her current numbers don't really facilitate any real gameplan like the newer champs do
maiden ledge
God, Doorman is so fucked. he is such a perfect encapsulation of how to make people suffer in a game like Deadlock.
I want to get good at him so badly. Like so so badly
vast sandal
I don’t know if I’m good at Doorman yet but I know I’ve made people deeply upset
vast sandal
What needs a rework on holiday
She needs, like, a gameplan
Right now she kinda can’t cook shit
maiden ledge
tbf it is not that hard to make people deeply upset in deadlock so maybe you're already good at him
is your doorman game winning? idk. but if they're suffering that's diagetic and in character so you've got that down
vast sandal
My doorman has been game-winning
So I’m feeling good about it lol
It is as I was taught, Doorman may not put up insane numbers but his presence can completely change the outcome of a fight for the better (or the worse if you’re dealing with him) and that’s enough to win or lose a game off of
somber creek
I do also think Crackshot could be reworked to no longer be about headshots
vivid nimbus
I think part of the issue with Crackshot is that Holliday is actually one of the harder characters to land a headshot with
somber creek
That is part of the issue yes
I also think headshots are generally pretty hard to hit in Deadlock in general
maiden ledge
i haven't run into many people crouch spamming yet so that's good.
instead they're doing source engine movement shit to me
vivid nimbus
Yeah no one crouch spams
late hare
I’m trying to learn her but man is she tricky
My gun aim is bad and I know she’s supposed to have a relatively strong lane but it does not feel that way
probably gonna have to put her back in the box, sad times 😔
vivid nimbus
Silver?
random urchin
It is as I was taught, Doorman may not put up insane numbers but his presence ca...
The threat of knockdown/cart T3 stun + bell is enough to make people think twice
vast sandal
yeah it's a real motherfucker
having multiple CC actives on Doorman means someone's gonna have a REALLY bad time
random urchin
I'm still not fast enough for consistent cart+door tricks
Getting the door down while the cart is moving is tough
vast sandal
you have to get comfortable with giving people hugs too
the closer you are to your target the easier it is to cart em even if they're actively aware of what you're doing
so sometimes you just have to grit your teeth and run at an enemy team as you toss the squid at em if you want to get the big prize
majleap or veil walker helps too, being invisible or dropping into a fight from a crazy angle makes it a lot easier to land some horseshit
vivid nimbus
Ahh right
final osprey
Holiday currently has the issue of not really getting any scaling, so even if you can aim her shots or barrels.
It doesnt really do much
late hare
yeah, it definitely feels like my inability to hit crackshots is robbing me of a lot of important damage
back to the drawing board
could give Celeste another go
undone galleon
worldly dirge
agile void
probably gonna have to put her back in the box, sad times 😔
Right now even pro players agree that pass 20-25 mins you are not a real character
you are just a counterspell check/item holder
girl I watch some streams of was a hard main holliday but these days she has been playing paige
thats a new nickname
https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1se6kr7/any_reliable_way_to_counter_mossolini_and/
plucky tusk
may has infected me so bad that i went to check his abilities online & put into ...
da driftuh
reef mist
I hate how accurate this is
cosmic cypress
vestal trench
Ok, actually had a good gun apollo game, its weird but not that weird
agile void
@agile rune https://youtube.com/shorts/TjQXWpwHiHA
imagine this is a strategy in comp play
honestly It might genuinely be one
magic summit
Ok, actually had a good gun apollo game, its weird but not that weird
I dont go gun but I do like to splice in melee charge and point blank
Gives a solid boost to your damage if you can land your riposte stun
cosmic cypress
shit wrong video
This is what I meant to post
He's right behind me, isn't he?
spring tundra
OH OH OH
The drifter design in this video fucking rules
Completely genuinely i love it
finite patrol
fun fact drifters original model had that goofy ass smile
they changed it to the current grin pretty soon after telease
spring tundra
Tbh i really like him having a comically evil smile
somber creek
We're at 5-6 now right?
finite patrol
5-6 what?
vast sandal
reposts of that video
finite patrol
yes
worldly dirge
vast sandal
concerning
spring tundra
We're at 5-6 now right?
To my credit i did it because i was specifically referencing something from it
Not because i thought the video itself would be new to yall lmao
worldly dirge
worldly dirge
reminds me of that build thats only lightening scroll on silver
plucky tusk
the og
worldly dirge
had a really good game, one of my best apperently
fickle kite
against a nightmare team no less
undone galleon
We're at 5-6 now right?
only 5 so still one away from the full stack
gray otter
urge to repost rising
finite patrol
late hare
any pointers on how to build Tankbop?
vivid nimbus
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zEWzsvcMVKA
Damn, was right at the edge of black hole while Dynamo had momentum away from her
vast sandal
any pointers on how to build Tankbop?
Melee Lifesteal / Lifestrike is a big one
also getting T3 Uppercut
late hare
nodnod
blech, having a lot of rough matches today
not totally sure why? I think some of it is learning to farm more efficiently
cosmic cypress
I need to work on that- I never do sinners or jungle camps
At my rank, lanes are just brawling 24/7, so leaving seems hard
everyone is fighting or pushing wave, and I worry I'm gonna lose health to the jungle camp and be forced out of lane
vast sandal
@ivory reef @lavish grove new rosewaterjelly batcase dropped
late hare
I need to work on that- I never do sinners or jungle camps
see I think my problem might be that I jungle too much when lane ends
cosmic cypress
<@140921736588689408> <@308743550785290260> new rosewaterjelly batcase dropped
It's PEAK
cosmic cypress
see I think my problem might be that I jungle too much when lane ends
I never know what to do, I just shove lanes or death ball with team
so I feel you
plucky tusk
<@140921736588689408> <@308743550785290260> new rosewaterjelly batcase dropped
Waiter! Waiter! More yuri
Excellent waiter
terse aspen
I feel like I'm missing something with gun heroes
It seems like just shooting doesn't do very much damage
Maybe I'm just too far away? But getting in super close feels like a good way to get instantly exploded for 1000% of my health bar
ivory reef
<@140921736588689408> <@308743550785290260> new rosewaterjelly batcase dropped
eeeeeeeeeee
late hare
I never know what to do, I just shove lanes or death ball with team
probably a function also of who I
oops
of who I run around doing jungle stuff with
mcginnis is pretty slow at doing box circuits even with enduring speed
spring tundra
Man people backdooring super hard in street brawl is getting so annoying
cosmic cypress
Calico is dogwater, moving on
merry verge
Calico aesthetic is a banger, function makes me tired
vast sandal
how can you hate a character who literally never gets caught out
she gets to do shit for FREE
NO COST
$500 x NOTHING
rich grove
would you rather have 1$
vast sandal
actually it's crazy how Calico is like
agonizing to punish in lane because she moves so quicky, has a poke far more offensive than anything Apollo does and quick rotations: the spell, AND gets paid extra to kill you
cosmic cypress
agonizing to punish in lane because she moves so quicky, has a poke far more off...
what poke are you referring to
also I am also not enjoying celeste
vast sandal
Leaping Slash
cosmic cypress
too squish
vast sandal
it's absolutely brutal once you have Spirit Strike / Snatch
cosmic cypress
17 heroes to go
Finally been yelled at over voice lmao
also how the fuck do you deal with grey talon he just flies
vivid nimbus
He also doesn't move that fast while airborne so if you're a gun-y hero you can Just Shoot Him
vivid nimbus
The Lash needs no magic carpet
terse aspen
is Magic Carpet Billy
Might I suggest Magic Carpet Mo and Krill
vast sandal
also how the fuck do you deal with grey talon he just flies
Basically, push up the lane, knock him down, or blow his head off while he chills in the easily shot zone
Grey Talon is a frail nerd who is easily punched into submission
Pushing up the lane is very effective against sniper heroes like GT and Vindicta because their wave clear is usually pretty lousy and you can consequently force them to either take damage or back off and let you have guardian damage
And if they give you the guardian damage, then you just take it because snipers with no objective to retreat to are snipers that die a lot easier
You can win lane pretty conclusively just by murking their guardian and then shoving lane up to walker and dipping, that puts them like 3 waves behind threatening your objective and that’s plenty of time for one or both laners to go cause a catastrophe somewhere else
late hare
probably should consider typing to my teammates a bit more
don't like the idea much but I had a few too many really unfortunate lanes where my partner and I were just not in sync and it made the following 30 minutes equally unpleasant
and I imagine that's the best way to rectify that
vivid nimbus
Big Ava sorta gives me Nasus vibes
finite grotto
Hundo
terse aspen
probably should consider typing to my teammates a bit more
I think this is the best move if you're not comfortable using a microphone for ingame voice chat
The ping wheel can also help, but it's more limited
Typing lets you say things like "don't come and support me if I'm aggressively split pushing alone, go and do an objective somewhere else"
I don't think there's a ping for that
lavish grove
too squish
Celeste can actually be built like a spirit bruiser if you build into spirit lifesteal and her shield
You’ll always have that extra vulnerability to gun damage but that doesn’t matter to much when you have a several hundred strength shield and heal for 20% of the damage you deal on top of the innate lifesteal you get from her 1
Also with good movement any and all damage she does take will be inconsistent because she’s so controllable in the air
Actually hitting a good celeste is like half the challenge of fighting one
Made worse when that damage goes into a shield and she heals the rest
cosmic cypress
late hare
Typing lets you say things like "don't come and support me if I'm aggressively s...
speaking of, another facet might be that I'm very touchy about how far I push up
I don't typically like to be alone more than halfway up the lane assuming both guardians are down
and it ends up the case that I'm often on unattended lane cleanup duty even if I'm playing someone like Calico who is probably better served somewhere else
merry verge
Doorman has spoiled me for pushing up, makes Drifter and Silver get caught out even more than they already like to
agile void
and it ends up the case that I'm often on unattended lane cleanup duty even if I...
if you are alone you are getting fed though
calico is a killer though so she is better roaming and grabbing boxes
merry verge
Very dependent on minion position for her skills yeahhh
final osprey
I don't think the Doorman would really care, unless they were like impolite hotel guests
somber creek
I think in a world where werewolves and gorgons exist and are born that way, furries at the very best would seem insensitive
agile void
finite patrol
I cant tell if doorman would love or hate furries
door man is an equal opportunity hater. he doesn’t discriminate.
worldly dirge
vivid nimbus
https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1sf11av/deadlockmovescom_now_h...
The doorman escape route bit makes me think of the game I had last night, where I put Seven stun on someone then Doorman immediately ulted them
I basically went “haha fuck that guy I guess” to myself
maiden ledge
https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1sf11av/deadlockmovescom_now_h...
yessss
vast sandal
mirror dungeon charge with AEDD Gregor is kinda fucking nuts
plucky tusk
mirror dungeon charge with AEDD Gregor is kinda fucking nuts
this is deadlock
lavish grove
mirror dungeon charge with AEDD Gregor is kinda fucking nuts
I knew Gregor was the next hero valve planned to add
He has so much potential for a kit
lavish grove
Yah we do need a guy for the pests of New York
lavish grove
It does seem we’ll get our rat rep via the new cursed shopkeep
But it’s New York baby
vast sandal
ratking ratking ratking
lavish grove
There’s way horrid things in the sewers
We need more sewer monster heroes!
Mo and Krill isn’t enough
lavish grove
It would
vast sandal
especially if you had like
giant ugly mean ass looking albino crocodile monster hero
and he just goes
"Hey Vyper"
lavish grove
Vyper fucking hates him because he’s such a softie
Honestly another archetype we’re kinda missing is like, a goon
We have a lot of criminals but they’re either leaders of their respective organizations
Or they’re independent contractors who have a lot of renown
vast sandal
"Tock, like, why are you such a bitch about everything?"
"I don't like blood. Or bruises. Or venom."
"They're not gonna hurt you, Tock, you're like eight feet tall and mostly bulletproof!"
"I don't like seeing other people hurt either..."
the crocodile hero HAS to be named Tock
lavish grove
Of course
eternal dune
Honestly another archetype we’re kinda missing is like, a goon
Mo has the right hat at least
lavish grove
That’s true
lavish grove
Honestly another archetype we’re kinda missing is like, a goon
…does vyper count?
vast sandal
Vyper is kind of a goon
lavish grove
She’s independent but she’s also willing to work for fucking anyone for pay
No wait yah she was one of mendoza’s for a bit
She’s a goon
vast sandal
my proposal for Tock is that his ult has him "submerge" into shadows and slowly approach a target while they hear an intensifying tick-tocking sound
also he's Spirit Breaker.
lavish grove
Spirit breaker?
vast sandal
aggressive mobile melee hero who Comes At You and is much better at approaching than escaping
vivid nimbus
Global phantom strike…
vast sandal
global pstrike but you have to spend time on a clearly telegraphed approach
lavish grove
my proposal for Tock is that his ult has him "submerge" into shadows and slowly ...
He doesn’t have a gun but his gun mechanically is some acidic spit he’s got
vivid nimbus
global pstrike but you have to spend time on a clearly telegraphed approach
Oh good point it’s more like global flying slash that you can’t cancel
vast sandal
would this enable people to Go In more foolishly and harder than ever before
yes
absolutely
that's why we should be funding it
granite heath
you can cancel charge
vivid nimbus
Oh you can? Neat
granite heath
yeah, sometimes you just need to get the heck out of a lane and you stop halfway to the target
vivid nimbus
Ganking blue lane by targeting the other side of the map and canceling halfway would also be a hilarious fake out
granite heath
Sometimes you listen to your whole team telling you not to complete the charge on the target who's back in the base under t4 towers.
granite heath
exactly
vast sandal
anyways I think putting that function in Deadlock would be fucking sick
vivid nimbus
MY MIND’S TELLING ME NO
lavish grove
MOOVE ON EM
I exclusively play dive heroes because pressing S is for cowards
vast sandal
BUT MY BOOOODYYY
lavish grove
And I’m no coward
vast sandal
also a melee initiator/brawler who isn't a surly jackass would be a good counterpoint to Billy and Abrams
vast sandal
they're only kinda melee
lavish grove
Mo is an enigma
lavish grove
they're only kinda melee
Ah yah I missed the melee part
vast sandal
Mo is a shy bean who can talk and just doesn't
and has a crush on Holliday which is like
Mo...
lavish grove
I just saw initiator
vast sandal
Maurice...
vast sandal
Buddy...
lavish grove
Look I believe in him
lavish grove
God forbid a mole yearn
lavish grove
you don't want any part of that mess
don’t worry, he knows how to help
Crime
Abandon being a cop and the guilt goes away
That’s not longer her problem
lavish grove
He can
vast sandal
I doubt the Patrons can
lavish grove
Probably not but they can make it way more funny
vast sandal
true
eternal dune
Also where is it mentioned he has a crush?
Datamine from the Holliday VN which isn't accessible currently
lavish grove
Ah okay
plucky tusk
ratking ratking ratking
rat king named irving
lavish grove
Why Irving?
edgy fog
Cause that's his name
lavish grove
It just seems like a reference
lavish grove
Ahh yah that makes sense
vivid nimbus
Just noticed Sinclair has a fucking machine gun in the Jan 2025 update art
magic summit
Its sevens gun
finite patrol
he used to have sevens gun!
it was sevens gun but it shot 3 trading cards in a burst that were really slow but hit really hard
lavish grove
Yah Sinclair was even more unfinished back in hero labs
He just had all of seven’s animations
Instead of now where he still mostly has seven’s animations
somber creek
🔍
lavish grove
That’s capacitor
stable forum
We need one of these for rem
agree
somber creek
finite patrol
<@&1277035919182008330> Its Wednesday night deadlock in an hour and a half. im not gonna make it tonight but dont let that stop yall if the spirit takes ye
spring tundra
Man every sb match just always has vibdicta huh
fickle kite
they only let me play haze in sb
somber creek
I dont always see them
granite heath
hmm, Spirit Breaker would be really effective against Vindicta...
finite patrol
spirit breaker charge doorman
late hare
so maybe the issue with McGinnis isn't that I'm doing a bad job but she's just not good lmao
lavish shale
did you build gun or for turrets?
late hare
the latter, my aim is not good
tbf the tracklock builds say spirit is the better way to build her
it feels like I have basically no lane presence and I have to pray that either my lane partner is smart enough to play it slow or the enemies are kinda dumbasses
low sage
I accidently Apollo
winged terrace
https://youtu.be/6-2ksacra9g
The Remington
undone galleon
stable forum
Man every sb match just always has vibdicta huh
ban her!!!
median lantern
#freevindicta
ivory reef
was there a recent deadlock update?
plucky tusk
hotfix because someone bug abused on a tourney
Very funny allchat in hindsight
agile void
Very funny allchat in hindsight
the 890 mole in question
vestal trench
it feels like I have basically no lane presence and I have to pray that either m...
she really shines as an ult build right now
vast sandal
Think I need to adjust more to the idea of delaying power spikes and buying the green items I need to survive a rough lane
Played a game last night where I just got ran over by a Mina/Haze lane where I should’ve sucked it up and bought Spirit Shielding
But I got hung up on the idea of going active and killing her early instead, and got ran over and died repeatedly
worldly dirge
braw really is great to learn characters
tried lady geist for the first time and she is nasty, did get allot of enhanced items though
vast sandal
Geist is indeed nasty
stable forum
silver build.
I made this, I am slightly confused because it seems extremely strong
and I don't really know why?
stable forum
express shot isn't very good IMO
worldly dirge
you need the burst to get your ult up fast
merry verge
Silver is p much the exception for Express Shot but not everyone seems to enjoy
I'm a big fan
lavish shale
Express Shot is such a weird item
stable forum
I think it's probably just Stalker being really good.
lavish shale
Express Shot is such a weird item
Doesn't really feel like it fits on any heroes that well
stable forum
I think it's just not a good item really?
Like if it should be good on anyone it should be good on Silver
but I don't think it's really better than PB on her?
stable forum
you need the burst to get your ult up fast
I think I'm getting that from Stalker + Surge on Boot Kick
merry verge
Express Shot into Slam Fire just kind of murders people
merry verge
Some people survive
stable forum
express shot isn't relevant to that. I think it's probably best to not stack them?
merry verge
You express and then slam
merry verge
It's just her per shot damage ia so high, but you don't like have to build it
Does p much proc Toxic Bullets
stable forum
slamfire does tooo
I should try toxic over PB sometimes
PB builds out of close range though which is very nice.
stable forum
...wait, why doesn't express shot work while tf'd?
magic summit
No ammo to consume
stable forum
ah, that makes sense i guess.
magic summit
Presumably
merry verge
It's the one downside
But still gun damage etc etc
And wolf dps doesn't need a ton of help
stable forum
I'll experiment with express shot & toxic over pb. Because of how good Stalker is I don't think I actually need Close Quarters for early game.
magic summit
I dont miss the days of express shot viscous and Yamato killing me instantly so probably for the best its a middling item
stable forum
and express shot potentially allows for saving slamfire for ult
which is interesting & funky
...Express Shot is solid for humanform damage & also potentially allows you to save Slamfire for tf which is interesting.
toxic is similar in performance to PB for damage but has different upside
merry verge
I fell in love with Express the first time they nerfed ult gain, but it does slot nicely as kind of.. Slamfire Lite
And works out to shocking distances
Also just fun to magdump the slowest gun in the game
lavish grove
I love express shot silver
Express shot+hollow rounds means that a single M1 shot+slam fire instantly puts me in wolf form
late hare
I should play more Seven I think
in part just to try and keep other people off of him
enemy Seven will inevitably farm his way into relevancy and potentially swing the game, friendly Seven goes 1 - 16
vast sandal
truth nuke
I pitch Seven to people as being the good future/bad future system from Sonic CD
if you stop Seven from doing stuff you get the good timeline and if you let him farm and get strong you will get the bad timeline
vivid nimbus
I had a 60 minute game of Seven this week and I got MVP and I legit thought "no I did not deserve that"
Enemy team was in the good timeline until it wasn't
lavish grove
Man, it’s still so weird to me that haze has a “spin around shooting in all directions” ult
And it’s single target
Until the last upgrade where it targets 2 people
late hare
what's the trick
vast sandal
okay I will explain both of these things
Haze's ult chooses a random target inside the circle and shoots it with perfect accuracy, repeating this process 40 times
or more if you get Duration Extender
as for Bebop
Beep Boop is a character who has two strong displaces and two strong Spirit damage spells
there's two very divergent Bebop builds, Tankbop and Bombbop
Tankbop relies on his ability to force melee engagements and the fact that he has a melee damage spell in Uppercut that regenerates his health to get in there and hand out Ls with melee damage increasing items while muscling through damage
Bombbop relies on the fact that Bebop's sticky bomb gets stronger every time you successfully use it and cranks out extremely damaging bombs along with playing a laser jazz solo all over the enemy team when things are looking gnarly
but no matter which Bebop build you're up against, one of the scariest things about the character is that he is REALLY good at setting up picks and defending objectives effectively thanks to the hook/uppercut combo
agile void
he was the prime kidnapper until the gingers Attacked
ivory reef
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAvl2ptfKpc 
<@&1277035919182008330>
the madman
epowga must be stopped
late hare
You can actually build bebop as a gun character as well. His gun's pretty alright and he's still useful even if he's not doing huge bomb damage
He's a bit like Ivy in that way, I think? Very flexible character
finite patrol
nyan
fickle kite
we're so back baby
rich grove
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAvl2ptfKpc <:wah:900577222841204798> <@&1277035...
this doesnt seem right.. where is the goldlewis dickinson
agile void
goldlewis would work REALLY well in deadlock
so his ult is just a orbital?
lavish grove
goldlewis would work REALLY well in deadlock
I don’t think they’ll be added any time soon but like, I feel like deadlock is due for aliens like, 5 years into its lifetime
Or at least a character themed around UFO sightings
That’s stuff so 50s-60s themes it’s crazy
vivid nimbus
Gotta dip more into 30s-40s pulp horror and adventure
Where's our Hollow Earth character?
Oh wait we already have a Mole Man
Shit
vast sandal
goldlewis would work REALLY well in deadlock
Pocket is like a miniature enby Goldlewis
Goldlewis has the UMA coffin, Pocket has the briefcase
they're both in shockingly similar positions of Hating The Power but also Being The Power at the same time, Pocket is just on the run from their family
vivid nimbus
I don't really think that parallel fits that well
Pocket was born into power and then someone attempted to kill them, presumably for their discomfort with the family business
undone galleon
nonbinary twink goldlewis
vast sandal
they both have magic portable trunks that produce wack shit that they fight with
sue me
vivid nimbus
Goldlewis is at the result of making a career out of it, but is now disillusioned with what he does
rich grove
ginnis has the minigun, autonomous weapons and striking projectiles from above, but doesnt even have a metered reversal
vast sandal
you know
rich grove
volvo pls fix
vast sandal
that fucking drone could be a Deadlock spell
edgy fog
just put Faust in the game
street doctor Faust, bag on head, emergency wheelchair delivery service
vivid nimbus
Some sort of creepy medical professional would fit well
vast sandal
the Thunderbird is actually a devious poke, imagine a spell that just produces the ominous orb that slowly flies to its target and then explodes, but if you run into The Orb it beats your ass
vivid nimbus
But honestly, if you wanna pull Deadlock concepts from a fighting game? Skullgirls
vast sandal
that's more like Dark Angel really but Dark Angel would be heat
edgy fog
I still like my idea of Baker, who's a half-gingerbreadman bricklayer/baker
ivory reef
But honestly, if you wanna pull Deadlock concepts from a fighting game? Skullgir...
Asuka r kreuz
rich grove
But honestly, if you wanna pull Deadlock concepts from a fighting game? Skullgir...
black dahlia in deadlock 😋
vast sandal
But honestly, if you wanna pull Deadlock concepts from a fighting game? Skullgir...
so like, Bebop is gonna have to get remodeled to Big Band eventually right
ivory reef
Is basically a moba character already
rich grove
invoker on the laaaane
vast sandal
Black Dahlia is a monstrosity (affectionate) and putting her in Deadlock would be to the detriment of all mankind (it would be sick)
vivid nimbus
Black Dahlia is a monstrosity (affectionate) and putting her in Deadlock would b...
You could replace Black Dahlia in this sentence with half the Skugs cast
edgy fog
so like, Bebop is gonna have to get remodeled to Big Band eventually right
no no no, Abrahms is the one being turned into Big Band
vast sandal
see like, I don't think you could really spring for the parasite characters, Parasoul's kind of overlapped by Mina, Valentine would be funny I guess, Beowulf is overlapped by Lash, Eliza...
I mean shit I'm always down for She Who Mauls
funny ass character
but Black Dahlia actually fits the aesthetic and setting AND is a gunwoman
merry verge
I could see Eliza too tbh
vivid nimbus
Parasoul and Mina both have umbrellas but otherwise very different vibes
I do agree that Black Dahlia and Big Band are the best fits tho
lavish grove
Chat, what are we thinking is in pocket’s case?
Rn I think it’s either the second plague of Egypt or the horseman of pestilence
lavish grove
That’s true
undone galleon
this is why its frog
edgy fog
Very true
vestal hearth
cosmic cypress
desert kelp
cosmic cypress
15 characters left to play
somber creek
I hear if you get all of them you will be reincarnated as a dove in a strifeless land
agile rune
who's your fave so far suki
vast sandal
Also I laced my boots up tighter and took the fight to them as Shiv and wouldn’t you know it
Shiv’s a fucking asshole if you just frontline and put boots to faces
cosmic cypress
who's your fave so far suki
Hard to say cos I'm only playing them all once
autumn field
cosmic cypress
I vibe with most of the cast, and the ones I don't are just not my kind of character
for example I liked Victor and Geist but I'm not good at judging self damage charactgers
vast sandal
as a Geist enjoyer: you gotta get realllll OK with some gnarly situations especially early
sometimes Geist has to chill at 1 HP and wait for her guardian to fry her a heal trooper
cosmic cypress
I'm normally a support player in other games, so characters like Paige, Ivy, Dynamo, Mo & Krill, Rem call to me
vast sandal
conversely, Geist at 1HP is secretly one of the scariest fucking characters in the game
cosmic cypress
Lash is hilarious but I don't have the movement tech required to make him properly scary
vast sandal
something I think is extremely funny is intentionally letting my HP get low, running to a juke closet, and then seeing if someone comes after me
cosmic cypress
Infernus is just busted
vast sandal
if they do they're gonna fucking die
spring tundra
Where's our Hollow Earth character?
Hollow earth caveman
Let me put Milwaukee in the game
undone galleon
viscous w
reef mist
https://images.gamebanana.com/img/ss/mods/69a258a0e92f8.jpg
I love grumpy cat Victor
reef mist
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1245526502901284935/1492079183675920395/D...
What. The. Hell.
vivid nimbus
51.2k gun investment
warm sonnet
Literally only shooting items
agile void
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1245526502901284935/1492079183675920395/D...
You do realize metal skin and Disarm disables almost all of his items?
the only thing metal skin would not be affected by is capacitor
still swan
Is Haze the only one associated with the US government?
mild flume
well holiday is a cop right
eternal dune
Holliday is a sheriff but that's not federal
mild flume
oh right yeah you have that distinction
worldly dirge
You do realize metal skin and Disarm disables almost all of his items?
he can just tag along to survive
agile void
a skill on a 20 second cooldown in which he cant do anything because he has no actives or heal his teammates
with no real defensive item aside from weighted shot and vamp burst, which dont work if he cant shoot
I literally fought that last week
Rem had to go unstop because I was mo and my metal skin+disarm+pocket sand made him a sitting duck
and I was still unbothered because he didnt bothered to get any on hit damage effects like toxic bullets
edgy fog
Oh woe is us the meme build is stopped by metal skin
agile void
I thought it was a question of how you counter that
edgy fog
No?
It's showing a video of someone putting 51k investment shooting on a character who doesn't usually get it, it's a funny sight but absolutely no one was taking it seriously
plucky tusk
Is Haze the only one associated with the US government?
McGinnis is through contracting
edgy fog
She's more privately owned and the business is contracted out, but how much you want to seperate Fairfax and the government is... an uncomfortable question
edgy fog
It could be argued, I will give you that
undone galleon
mcginnis is associated with the us government the same way lockheed-martin is, which is to say very
edgy fog
which is again that lovely question of "how seperate are these entities" and the answer might surprise you
(it's a bullet, they don't like those questions)
final osprey
Fairfax used to own a state
Like, they're very very associated with the US government
And they view not owning a state to be a temporary set back more so than a new status quo
plucky tusk
mcginnis is associated with the us government the same way lockheed-martin is, w...
Honestly I'd say even more so
I think they're closer to RAND
Mixed with Lockheed
since rand started as a coop between douglas and Usaf
lavish grove
She's more privately owned and the business is contracted out, but how much you ...
Whatever Fairfax’s government ties are they do seem to want to separate them atm
With how they’re trying to buy create an island so they no longer have to operate in the US
Maximilian seems to want to make his own nation
No wait I forgot that was in the past, Candeza is just the 50th state now
cerulean pendant
does rebuttal stack with counterspell? like if i have both and parry an ability that isnt normally parriable does the target take the ability damage
vast sandal
lavish grove
does rebuttal stack with counterspell? like if i have both and parry an ability ...
No
cerulean pendant
yea that makes sense + it would be kinda crazy if it did
agile void
spring tundra
Did something happen to haze super recently? I feel like frlm here and the subreddit ive seen a sudden spike in people complaining about her lmao
stable forum
they reworked her entire kit in the previous big update
people are figuring out that it's optimal on her to just farm forever & kill everyone with ult
not quite exactly true, but her ult now hits two targets at rank 3 and can reasonably wipe teams with Riccochet.
previously Haze only hit one target with ult even at rank 3, and so her ult was more of a dueling thing.
fickle kite
I've taken it upon me to make every haze I lane against miserable
i had 6 games in a row against haze last night. It's fucking exhausting
stable forum
I really like her aesthetically and characterization wise! I just don't want to play her in her current state really.
hopefully they poke her again and make her cool
though I think I have trouble playing characters who aren't Silver because Silver is just really fun
finite grotto
I like playing current Haze. Early and mid gun show and then transitioning into more ult focus is fun
fickle kite
i thought the same thing picking up lash after I one tricked Vic for 50 hours
but lash clicked immediately
fickle kite
he's super fun in sb
but I'm still learning him right now I still average lowest souls on my team when I'm lash
I'm kinda a coward and have been struggling to get picks
but I'm never dead and my macro is great because I end with like 20+ assists
stable forum
lash is just great
stable forum
but I'm still learning him right now I still average lowest souls on my team whe...
this happens when you're playing for allies I think
like showing up to fights all the time I mean
Lash is great at showing up to fights too.
he struggles a bit with clearing camps though
fickle kite
ya it's super easy to get from point a to b
I'm thinking of getting cultists on him early
stable forum
Ground Strike is decent against a bunch of camps at least. And he can clear t1s really quick with ground strike -> flog, though the flog angle nerf makes that less hard
fickle kite
so I can keep up
stable forum
I'm thinking of getting cultists on him early
would be fine probably, Lash likes range & can buy Transcendent reasonably.
finite grotto
I am not the biggest fan of cultist on him but I can see it
stable forum
cultist + SSB or Mystic Shot as your gun 4800 is probably fine.
I don't buy cultist much so I don't know if this is actually correct, but the things I immediately think about with Cultist are 'does this character like Ability Range' and 'Can this character buy Transcendent Cooldown or Duration'
fickle kite
that tracks
spring tundra
I don't really care for an m1 character
I mean idk if she is tbh
Her gun is kinda weirdly lackluster
Shes more of “mostly just annoying til she drops a beefed up ult on you and instantly wipes ur team”
fickle kite
and I make it worse by throwing rusted barrel at her and being the lane bully
spring tundra
She absolutely needs to have items taken from her during the ult like basically evetyone else lmao
vivid nimbus
Her gun's base stats are weak but fixation makes it deal tons of damage
spring tundra
Its ridiculous that shes like
fickle kite
and she rushes toxic bullets because I'm Vic
spring tundra
One of if not the only characters who can use items during a channel ult
spring tundra
Her gun's base stats are weak but fixation makes it deal tons of damage
True
I think the only part of her kit i dont really get is smoke bomb
Its There I Guess
fickle kite
good ambush, good get away
used to be better when the knife was a nuclear bomb
now the knife is just more get away
or you'd use it to set up for ult, which I agree is the keystone of her kit rn
I'd rather play vyper tbh
dang I should pick vyper back up
lavish shale
I think the only part of her kit i dont really get is smoke bomb
it's just generally good for movement
merry verge
Am I wrong in that smoke bomb and Ava feel like the same move
fickle kite
no tunnels tho
merry verge
T3 Smoke is also a cleanse though, or it was? Not sure if that was lost in the patch :|a
lavish shale
Am I wrong in that smoke bomb and Ava feel like the same move
kind of
fickle kite
i miss victors cleanse 😔
merry verge
I think it's neat that his counterplay works now
fickle kite
wdym?
merry verge
Can't just remove all the antiheal you build 4x times
He still feels preeetty potent
fickle kite
depends but ya
it's not as over as I thought it was
I've been playing him super aggressive lately. I build gun early and the pressure is constant.
spring tundra
Hilariously ive actually had to back off on my aggression
I used to just turn on 3 and get in peoples faces for extended periods of time just spamming 2 but uh
Yeah that kills you now lmao
You can no longer 1v4
fickle kite
with 42 funny bullets in your gun you can still do this while shredding their resist and not killing yourself
until you want to I guess
cosmic cypress
my team won my victor game because everyone treated me like I was a nuclear bomb
but I was actually coughing baby
Like, we would team fight and everyone would just fucking dogpile me, twice
But jokes on them, I had nothing
then my team would slaughter them
terse aspen
Sometimes that's a very valid role to play
fickle kite
find solace in becoming the cool down creature
spring tundra
my team won my victor game because everyone treated me like I was a nuclear bomb
Sometimes a team really locks onto you and youre like
What
Why
Stop it
This isnt even good for you guys
lavish grove
I’ve never experienced that because focusing on me is always the correct choice by the enemy team
undone galleon
sometimes u need a sacrificial lamb
fickle kite
big vic the initiator
terse aspen
If a team spends 6 ults on me before half my teammates even arrive, that's a win for me
fickle kite
and then someone roots half of them so they can't escape your rez and it becomes a massacre
vast sandal
look
fickle kite
I'm talking absolute bloodbath, you get back up and starting swinging at the closest fool who thought you were free
vast sandal
Big Vic jumping in and getting nuked to start a fight is kinda like the heat seeking Paradox missile
fickle kite
i thought that was GTs thing
vast sandal
GT has the missile
Paradox is the missile
it's a common joke that Paradox is liable to get herself killed jumping into a teamfight and ulting in return for the lives of several enemy team members
fickle kite
i thought that was the bit but paradox is a total enigma to me
Her kit is so strange
fickle kite
they do lots of things
spring tundra
Theyre good at shuffleboard :3
fickle kite
what is REM's bodega haul?
mild flume
oh right the game is in NY I gotta talk about bodegas all the time while playing
and how good they are
forgot about that
fickle kite
he had a helper grab a ringpop on the sly
vestal trench
started playing mirage today, he feels genuinely ignorant to play
vestal trench
i just teleport around for macro fire out into a crowd with ricochet and someone just dies randomly
i still feel like im not bad, but in shitelo hell and cant get out
fickle kite
welcome to alch 5
rich grove
- Haze: Bullet Dance targeting is no longer a full radius around the hero, but instead is a cone in the direction you are aiming
HE'S DONE MIRACLES ON ME
finite patrol
patch??
finite patrol
patch!!!
rich grove
- Express Shot: Secondary Fire Weapon Damage increased from 35% + 1%/boon to 40% + 1.3%/boon
STOP IT
STOP IT
merry verge
YaAy they heard us talking about it
Solid oof on Silence Wave
Also fuck Doorman I guess
He's not allowed to damage he's not allowed to cart people
He has no win rate competitive presence or niche
lavish shale
Pretty heavy nerfs to Haze ult
rich grove
haze no longer reloegated to jerking off in the jungle all game and then appearing to press 4
praise the lord
finite patrol
silence wave nerf is deserved
I also think doorman cart having some counterplay is good
fickle kite
damn I was getting a lot of mileage out of silence wave yesterday
vast sandal
let's go
merry verge
I'm okay with the combo having counterplay if he's allowed to do literally anything else
fickle kite
tmag my beloved
vestal trench
tons of interesting changes,,, melee dam on bop hand?
merry verge
Self Damage Bop
vestal trench
also yeah i like doorman but i think he deserves to be something other than joechuck kidnap bot
vivid nimbus
What could Yoshi mean by this?
- Holliday: Various behavior and feel improvements to her gun
finite patrol
stat and typo fixes
fickle kite
hollidays evil fucking gun is less evil now
merry verge
They added one more texture to it
merry verge
I'm joke but same
fickle kite
tragic
merry verge
Tiny Geist Nerf.. needs more but I accept
One day she'll have a downside or weak time again
vivid nimbus
It's a buff to her gun damage at 23+ boons
merry verge
Well
finite patrol
- Victor: Shocking Reanimation now applies a heavy diminishing slow immediately when you die
something... familiar about this
vital knoll
THE YOUR KING IS HERE
merry verge
I can't believe Mirage Ult is staying like it is
vital knoll
Hopefully these changes remove Victor from his "worst hero in the game" status
Probably not, but I can hope
finite patrol
I can't believe Mirage Ult is staying like it is
teleports behind you
unsheathes bug
merry verge
Does this again every 30 seconds forever
finite patrol
🙂↕️
merry verge
Maybe time to put stock in a third character..
finite patrol
you need at least 3 characters to queue you ruffian
merry verge
The devs have a specific illness that prevents noticing Vexing Bolt
Sinclairs greatest ruse
finite patrol
only hoopoe is allowed to develop Sinclair and hes been busy
merry verge
I wonder who besides Silver has built Express Shot..
merry verge
They buffed it just for her since they're nerfing Silence Wave, awful kind
vivid nimbus
Pretty sure the express shot buff is only for chars with an alt-fire, ie. Viscous and Yamato
eternal dune
goo gunner will one day return
vivid nimbus
Oh wait Shiv too
merry verge
goo gunner will one day return
Don't bring this curse upon everyone
finite patrol
theyre like wow! this express shot alt fire stuff sucked! lets get rid of that
but what if there was a little of it. just a bit. hehe
merry verge
I don't know if I've seen anyone build Return Fire
vivid nimbus
Express shot altfire damage went from 125% (same as primary) to 75% (first nerf) to 45-80% to 35-70% and now 40-85%
merry verge
ohh it's just secondary fire, I'm fool
random urchin
nooo i have to aim as haze
vital knoll
I don't know if I've seen anyone build Return Fire
It's a decent tech item for tanky characters, I've gotten some cheeky kills with it against Hazes and Infernuses who don't pay attention and shred themselves
But I also think the item is generally weak at the moment
Metal skin and just killing with your own damage is preferable
fickle kite
everything is coming up vyper
vast sandal
What could Yoshi mean by this?
> - Holliday: Various behavior and feel improveme...
apparently it sucks less
like
it fires faster, shoots straighter, feels better to use etc.
fickle kite
needed that
does feel better
still looks silly
i think the bullet trail is bigger. feels more impactful
vivid nimbus
It could have a bigger bullet hitbox, I know that's not equal between different guns
fickle kite
seems right i'm aiming well above abrams head and still getting the headshot
cerulean pendant
chat we might be cooked🥀🥀🥀/lh
vast sandal
Mirage not going so good?
cerulean pendant
n o p e
vast sandal
Character is kinda weird
As always Mirage do be the character with the 4 best abilities in the game and the caveat that they uh
Have questionable synergy
cerulean pendant
Have questionable synergy
that is true
only thing ifl is synergistic is the tornado allowing u to land stuff easier
vast sandal
Like there’s a vague handwave gesture towards “he clowns on other gun carries maybe?”
You throw the beetles at em and make the fight favorable for you, you use the dust devil to become bulletproof, you stack up Djinn’s Mark the whole time and then you ditch
cerulean pendant
yea i need to remember to use the beetles to initiate
bad habit of using them once im alr in trouble
all the same tho, i think ill try another character first (that makes mcginnis lash and mirage attempted)
vivid nimbus
Tornado also gives survivability in form of bullet evasion, so also don't save it until you're 1 hp
finite patrol
this poor victor bought rebuttal first item because i was laning against him as abrams
and then never successfully parried me all game
fickle kite
oh
well my victor was pretty ok
he feels pretty good after the tweaks
gun is even more viable
finite patrol
get you a berserker
fickle kite
thought about it but being able to shoot forever is too good to pass up
finite patrol
slide, baby
spring tundra
Patch!
Haze Ult is a cone now and doesnt give evasion
Ah but its on her t3 now
Instead of the extra target
finite grotto
i tried out the haze ult and holy it got taken outb ack and shot
worldly dirge
Haze ult got taken out back and put down
agile void
Isnt it technically better because you can ult now a specific person rather than be forced to share around the damage?
mild flume
its probably a buff overall
but does change its role a lot
its more assassinny and less farm to ricochet and try wipe groups
undone galleon
u can theoretically still get groups w/ it but yeag much more single-target
worldly dirge
lavish grove
This haze ult change is great for the game, but man if they’re keeping it they gotta rework her animation
It looks so dumb now lol
Spinning around shooting in all directions but if you stand behind her you’re unaffected
bleak thicket
They probably will at some point
agile void
agile void
Spinning around shooting in all directions but if you stand behind her you’re un...
I mean you have bullet evasion on t3
if they make a pre and she swaps to one or the other depending on level it still fits
magic summit
Spinning around shooting in all directions but if you stand behind her you’re un...
I would guess they'll change it if they commit to it
Would be a bit of a waste to make a complicated animation for a test idea that's tossed out
finite grotto
its probably a buff overall
I Def would say it's not a buff even with more power in her other stuff
Yes you have more control but losing the extra target again is a massive loss of DPS mid and esp late
lavish grove
I would guess they'll change it if they commit to it
Yah probably. It’s why I mentioned that if they commit to it
lavish grove
Oh god the update made it so Yamato can slide while using power slash
finite grotto
Oh god the update made it so Yamato can slide while using power slash
She could do that before!
You mean when you dash into power slash and keep the momentum?
Or literal slide
lavish grove
The literal slide
She can move like she’s sliding while charging power slash
So she can do things like take corners while charging it
finite grotto
Huh
agile void
so she can drift in slopes?
lavish grove
Yah
agile void
isnt it still better for her to be on the air?
lavish grove
She can also now use grapple cancels to move like 40 meters while charging power slash
agile void
pretty sure that was a thing before
finite grotto
That she could do before yea
lavish grove
The caption is a little catastrophizing but this is the only video I could find documenting this change right now
I’m like 90% sure yamato was not capable of this before
finite grotto
Oh damm
agile void
what the fuck?
finite grotto
Ye nevermind
agile void
honestly now I dont know if its going to be better or worse for her to stay in the air or in the ground
somber creek
Holiday feels a lot better with this gun fix
I think she still needs heavy tweaking
lavish grove
What’d they change?
somber creek
Make her gun not doodoo ass as much
agile void
let me find the actual explanations
vast sandal
fires faster, arcs less, recoils less, spreads less, bigger bullets and more accurate to the reticle
agile void
I think she became like, the second fastest gun in game rn
I have no idea if this is going to help her viability because it doesnt seem like they did actual changes to her damage
lavish shale
https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1si8zhb/comment/ofix6n9/?utm_s...
she had 600 velocity before?
agile void
she had _600_ velocity before?
geist I think its one of the fastest guns btw
vivid nimbus
Yeah the 600 was rough
lavish grove
I have no idea if this is going to help her viability because it doesnt seem lik...
I mean the rate of fire changes are just a DPS boost aren’t they?
lavish shale
damn, I would not have expected that
vast sandal
I mean the rate of fire changes are just a DPS boost aren’t they?
yes but Holliday is not a M1 hero
somber creek
It makes it significantly easier to access crackshot
lavish shale
still wonder why Venator for some reason has like twice the velocity of almost everyone else
agile void
I mean the rate of fire changes are just a DPS boost aren’t they?
bullet velocity, not fire rate
bullet velocity is bullet speed
yup, geist was the second fastest gun up until now
vast sandal
still wonder why Venator for some reason has like twice the velocity of almost e...
venator's gun is generally weird
lavish grove
bullet velocity, not fire rate
Ahhh I misread
vivid nimbus
Oh wow Venator's M1 is almost hitscan compared to most of the cast
vast sandal
Venator in general is a bizarro motherfucker
lavish grove
I think he was designed around old weighted shots
lavish shale
yeah it's crazy how much faster his bullets are compared to everyone
lavish grove
That lowered bullet velocity
somber creek
lavish grove
But now that it doesn’t it’s just sorta a laser beam
lavish shale
But now that it doesn’t it’s just sorta a laser beam
even with old Weighted Bullets, he only went down to like 1.1k
vast sandal
he kinda comes across as your first M1 carry to learn the game with?
agile void
at least in first shot
vast sandal
like
lavish grove
even with old Weighted Bullets, he only went down to like 1.1k
Yah true
somber creek
I don't think Venator works as baby's first M1 champ any more than Wraith or Haze do
He's just a brawler version of it
vast sandal
hmm
lavish shale
I actually think Venator is a tiny bit harder than Wraith to play
somber creek
Without a mobility ability, yeah