did we really need 66 skill ranks tho
#Deadlock
cosmic cypress
finite patrol
badges are cool :)
vivid nimbus
I think of it as 11 skill ranks, with fractions
undone galleon
did we really need 66 skill ranks tho
they should add one more rank
hallow zenith
I love it I'm low health and multiple people chase me into a tunnel as Shiv
You thought you could kill me?
Wrong
200 dashes until you die
plucky tusk
that's when Driftuh hits you with weighted bullets and you die
cinder fjord
glass flicker
Chowder Mentioned
undone galleon
two more & we might get enough repeats for a full stack
vivid nimbus
I almost posted it here when I found it, but I did also post it two other places
vivid nimbus
finite patrol
cosmic cypress
Nearly halfway
Lost with Graves, Won with Paradox
also experiencing gigantic 500ms into game freeze lag spikes
which is....not ideal
late hare
a little surprised that Sinclair and Doorman work but not Graves or McG
vivid nimbus
That's not what Suki is doing
All the selected heroes are ones they haven't played yet
They're going through the whole cast at least once
cosmic cypress
yeah I just put the whole cast on roster, and delete em one by one win or lose
maiden ledge
honestly i should do that
need a feel for what i really like on a fundamental level because i resumed back into a ritualist queue after a break and got my ass handed to me in a way where i was like. well im doing Something Wrong
vast sandal
at some point I'm gonna have to max prio Shiv and only Shiv and just Learn The Damn Character
played out of my mind tonight but never rolled Shiv :(
vast sandal
like I'm glad that I learned that Shiv is a frontliner who needs to actually get closer to his enemies to be an effective threat
hallow zenith
How long are your queue times
vast sandal
but now I need to put that in practice lul
hallow zenith
I find he also has difficulties in more open areas, especially when you don't have rage active
maiden ledge
i honestly just want to do stupid movement with my force a nature
cosmic cypress
How long are your queue times
sub 2 minutes
anywhere from 30 seconds to 2 minutes usually
vast sandal
it's weird how constrained lane feels when you're actually laning versus when you're using it as a staging area for a fight
there's a lot of fiddly places you wouldn't normally go when you're focused on pushing wave and having little back and forth lane skirmishes because minions don't go there
Vindicta players are fiends for it, they're always shooting from some weird spot at a bizarre angle even when it doesn't seem to offer much of an advantage
mild flume
yeah there are so many odd little locations and spots
agile rune
Any standout faves?
agile rune
it's weird how constrained lane feels when you're actually laning versus when yo...
Doorman ass statement
lavish grove
decided to sit down and properly make a Victor build
including all of the items I really consider building on him
lavish grove
I only buy it for Rem lanes personally
I find it otherwise kinda unnecessary and a waste of an important slot
vital knoll
Its easy to sell for sure
But it helps you take the medium camps at 6
Easier to steal enemy camp, and shoving wave is always priority
vital knoll
As an 800 soul item I feel like it's kinda mandatory, since the investment is SO low
If you're slot locked you drop it later but I also think you're just as happy to drop mystic regen
lavish grove
I would prefer to keep mystic regen just because it’s upgrades more smoothly
I do not particularly enjoy cultist sacrifice
I like playing pure spirit Victor most of the time
I’m including it and kinetic dash just in case the enemy comp itemizes hard against spirit
vital knoll
Yeah I just wouldn't upgrade either
Selling an 800 soul item to free up a slot late game for your cooldown or spirit res or whatever is no big deal, especially if it's given you its value and run its course
But Monster Rounds, for example, is 20% more damage to creeps and objectives on all damage sources, including aura and torment pulse
lavish grove
I thought it was just gun
vital knoll
Oh wait no it's gun only my b
lavish grove
Okay yah
vital knoll
But still there's no reason not to shoot the creeps and towers
And it's still the 25% damage resist to them
lavish grove
I mean yah
vital knoll
MR lets Victor kill some of the T3 camps freakishly early with melees
I think the only two you can't do are the ones left side in the room with the urn drop off and the ones on the sides of the map?
lavish grove
I’ll try building it more and see how it affects me I think
vital knoll
But like 8 minutes killing the hard camp near the right side lane with three big creeps is pretty good
Maybe closer to 9-10
But that camp you can hit all three creeps with heavy melees by standing in the middle creep and aiming above it and slightly to right of its center
So you just spend like 30 seconds punching it with a jumpstart here and there and it's 700 souls
lavish grove
That does sound nice
vital knoll
I don't know how doable it is that early without the MR damage resistance but it's definitely gonna hurt more
And at 8 minutes, I usually have like... 5? 6k? Souls total?
So it's a significant chunk of net worth
Plus you can take the medium camp near lane easier at 6 minutes, especially if you're in the right lane and can do the church camp with one medium creep and four small creeps
Gun the medium creep and aura the rest, maybe a little cleanup on the small creeps once medium creep dies
worldly dirge
kinetic dash isnt going to help him that much, the item that gives 100% ammo when you use a ability would come more in hand
let me look up the item
worldly dirge
also while mystic regen is nice it wont be able to keep up the self damage
lavish grove
Yah kinetic dash is mostly there in case I want extra gun damage and a cheaper stamina upgrade
vital knoll
Victors gun is good and it's definitely noticeable for farming
lavish grove
Though I normally build stamina mastery to stick to people
worldly dirge
there is allredy enduring speed and stamina mastery in the build
vital knoll
Plus dash jumping is one of the better ways to move anyway, so getting bonus on something you're already doing is nice
lavish grove
The essentials are what I usually buy but if I buy one of the optional that fulfills the same niche I don’t buy them
worldly dirge
quick silver reload and merculiar magnum would be nicer than k dash if your going after the gun
vital knoll
Both are spirit items
lavish grove
Yah the lack of gun investment really hurts the gun damage
vital knoll
The gun investment is not negligible
lavish grove
And pain battery is not up enough early to consistently make use of quick silver
I could put it on jumpstart but then I’m wasting a shit ton of the stats the item gives
worldly dirge
a berseker would help, your taking damage anyway
vital knoll
Victors gun is like the sixth highest dps in the game, and the 4.8k weapon investment spike is a noticeable chunk of damage
worldly dirge
when you have one point in your ult and use it, you get extra spirit damage on your gun
vital knoll
Yeah I've been toying with berserker but if you're committing to a gun victor with berserker and qsr you're probably not going for an aura build like that
lavish grove
when you have one point in your ult and use it, you get extra spirit damage on y...
I actually don’t upgrade ult until everything else is upgraded
vital knoll
Kdash cultist sac is bought to farm that much faster, between 4.8k weapon invest and the cultist active and kdash being kdash
worldly dirge
its 6 spirit at base
worldly dirge
its going to add up as its scales
lavish grove
I know but yah like pyro said 1 and 2 are so important to max
vital knoll
And aura t3 is +15% damage from all sources to enemies effected
lavish grove
And for an aura build I’d prefer rushing 3
vital knoll
If you're going gun build I think you're right and you dip into the ulti sooner
lavish grove
Generally I rush 1, and then evenly upgrade 2 and 3, and max 2 if there’s a lot of CC on the enemy team and 3 if there’s not
worldly dirge
all items bought in my build increases its to 11 damage, gun does 26, and i dont have any boons
i do a little 2 for the extra move, heal and cooldown, get 1 in ult then rush 1
then finish 2 and then do 3
i have a pain battery build of course
so order depends on focus
gray otter
when you have one point in your ult and use it, you get extra spirit damage on y...
yeah but you dont want to be using your ult
like
a lot of the time your ult pops and you die anyways
worldly dirge
its a safety net and if you pop it you start mudering people, if someone stays in your ult they are dead
because you do 50% more damage now
gray otter
theyre not going to stay in your ult
worldly dirge
a lot of the time your ult pops and you die anyways
that is incredibly situational
gray otter
bc its the big scary circle that kills you
gray otter
why upgrade something that you cant control when it takes effect when you could upgrade something that is always useful
worldly dirge
i usually play very agressive with my team behind me, i push lower they hp, ult and keep pushing till i die or we win the fight
its free damage
who says no to free damage
gray otter
its literally not free
worldly dirge
and its only 1 point
gray otter
it costs your ult
worldly dirge
which you will pop at some point
gray otter
yes but you have literally no way to guarantee it pops at a useful time
worldly dirge
we dont have the same mind set
gray otter
clearly
worldly dirge
its always useful if your in a team fight
you go dive
and hope to die
so you ult
gray otter
lategame the enemies shouldnt even really be focusing the victor
bc hes so hard to kill
worldly dirge
make them focus you, be a pain in the ass
gray otter
exactly
worldly dirge
when my pain battery does 400 damage and makes me a minigun they will not have a choice
gray otter
the devious Decay/Disarming Hex/Silence Wave/Cursed Relic:
worldly dirge
so be it, that screws up everyone
its a counter
you can go unstoplable if you want to counter counter
a spell breaker screws up a mirrage but you dont see him being unplayable
gray otter
look
victor might as well not exist if he cant force the enemies to try to deal with him
upgrading ult so that you do more damage after it pops does not help with that
it only makes it a worse idea to try to kill victor
worldly dirge
you know you can just die if you using your 3 and dont heal right
gray otter
yes
its just that as far as i can tell basically every other upgrade in victor's kit is just more useful
worldly dirge
max level victor with ult popped in a ideal setup
the abrams was max level with no items
oh wait
gray otter
max level victor with ult popped in a ideal setup
ideal setup vs an enemy with no items is not happening
gray otter
frankly, ideal setup at all is never happening
worldly dirge
ok, so fully kitted abrams using items, ult popped and it took about 3 clips
ignore ult damage
they both died at the same time
agile void
ok, so fully kitted abrams using items, ult popped and it took about 3 clips
do you have spellslinger?
worldly dirge
victor yes
worldly dirge
there has been a -22% decrease
let me do it without ult
no ult
i think something is off
it might be beserker
gray otter
it took fewer shots lmao whats happening here
agile void
tried with blood tribute proccing?
agile void
instead of berserker?
worldly dirge
the damage is right there
13.4
it does increase surge of power
berseker is free + 70% damage
your taking damage all the time
you allredy have high debuf res do to your 2
let me try
ult with tribute
ttk did feels shorter
must be from the pain batter getting back faster
agile void
ttk did feels shorter
blood tribute besides giving you faster Pb it gives you more fire rate
also more speed, so it is a legitimate option if you want more speed or uptime to pain battery
worldly dirge
idk if plus 70% damage or 32% fire rate is better in the long run
agile void
its mroe of a problem with the investment
you are already getting gun damage by getting gun items
so the 70% gun damage is less on paper
Also, blood tribute would make you stronger while your ult is on cooldown
due to how it is "per bullet" the spirit damage
agile void
also the main issue of victor always being "be near the enemy", the speed genuinely helps a fair bit
worldly dirge
43 with beserker 28 without
agile void
its not better than Warp stone or similar but hey, it gives you a lot of stuff
worldly dirge
40 actually
did some math, the fire rate will give be a bigger dps, the issue will come down to how well i can manage spell caster though
also spell caster is in my late game items while beserker is the first mid game one
so i could sell beserker for blood tribute late game
lavish grove
I think I’m gonna try hybrid pocket, so pocket with point blank and swift striker/kinetic dash
It was my preferred pocket back during 4 lane and it seems decent again nowadays
gray otter
the problem im having with melee viscous is that the items that feel good dont come online until i max 3, and maxing 3 makes me much weaker in lane
im gonna experiment with rushing maxed 3
gray otter
...ok im trying to do the math on this
how on earth is punch viscous meant to itemize earlygame
extra charge feels necessary but bad because the spirit power doesnt do anything
(rapid recharge just feels great)
i think i just have to find more items that feel good to get before punch lv3 and get them more consistently
terse aspen
Anyone have advice for playing from behind? I feel like a lot of guides are like "buy these items and then roam around ganking lone enemy players or joining fights in other lanes", but that doesn't work if the team is consistently losing 3v2s at 10 minutes
I'm currently playing a lot of Vyper and Wraith and I'm looking at picking up Vindicta
vast sandal
i think i just have to find more items that feel good to get before punch lv3 an...
you could buy spirit strike
vast sandal
spirit snatch lets you play his 1 at the same time as his 3
vast sandal
Anyone have advice for playing from behind? I feel like a lot of guides are like...
okay so if you're losing 3v2s at 10 minutes that's a rough one because of the lead your enemy has but the answers to "how to play from behind" are roughly
- play like a pack of rats. force the enemy to take engagements instead of letting them pick. push multiple lanes, threaten different objectives simultaneously so they have to choose where to fight, hit the bricks before a fight starts so they waste their time. run the urn while hitting 2 walkers at once and they'll have to choose one objective to cede even if they're ahead, while you're kind of at your leisure to disengage the fights that you won't win
- identify the problem players and counter the shit out of them, even if countering them becomes "infernus is here everyone leave" because you just cannot handle the bad fire guy right now
- if the enemy starts forcing engagements like driving a massive 6-man push up blue to force you to fight, leave some defenders on the objective and then counterpush on the other lanes. you might not be able to stop them from killing your objective in this scenario, especially if they're ahead, but the idea is to make them bleed for it, because deathballing and perma-teamfighting already hurts their econ and you can exploit that to make up the gap while delaying, rather than trying to stand and defend against a push you just aren't going to beat
- look for smaller opportunities than kills, like who's got scary ults up and who doesn't. you can win a teamfight against a superior enemy when you have all your ults up and they don't
oh and
- 2 players who are behind can kill 4 who are ahead when they're defending their walker, I've seen it happen
guardians won't kill you (unless you engineer the situation) and bee gees are pretty ineffectual at the stage of the game where you're pushing them, but walkers are surprisingly murderous
lavish shale
it's always weird to me how ineffectual the base guardians mostly are
vast sandal
base guardians feel like they need some kind of glowup lol, they ain't be doing shit
voted "most likely to get killed by Rem troopers"
terse aspen
Ok, so, it's incredibly important to coordinate the team in that scenario then
Gotcha
I guess I should probably look up what my voice chat keybind is
vast sandal
I mean just as a general rule the less coordinated your team is the less you can recover from mistakes because the more likely your team is to wander off and get killed, increasing your opponents' lead
plucky tusk
voted "most likely to get killed by Rem troopers"
You don't even need rem troopers just regular ones
vast sandal
yeah but the objective that's the most likely to get killed by troopers is the rare minute 20 guardian
plucky tusk
But yeah, I played rem for the first time recently and pushed bgs and shrine without issues despite literally being in the middle of a base Defense cause troopers are them
Also if you try and split lanes while behind some guys may leave the team fight for picks which lets your allies win
vast sandal
two people splitting from a teamfight on mid to go kill one person pushing walker and causing the teamfight to fizzle is a W
plucky tusk
If the team is better than you with a better comp and up souls and in a big push on blue you will not win by playing fair you will win by killing yourself in the sidelane so mina and lash get hungry for a kill and leave their allies behind to get hit by an ult that kills one person and turns an unfair 6v6 into an unfair 5v3
terse aspen
So, what I'm getting is, if everyone on the team is too busy whining about each other's kill/death ratios to actually coordinate or hear out a plan, it's a lost game
plucky tusk
and sometimes if you're drifter or Calico you scale from doing this because you manage to kill mina
plucky tusk
So, what I'm getting is, if everyone on the team is too busy whining about each ...
Yes
this is what I call street brawl pocket mentality
in standard, there are things far more important than kda
vast sandal
If the team is better than you with a better comp and up souls and in a big push...
tbh it's even better if you push the sidelane but play like a feral cat and vanish the second the Goon Squad manifests
plucky tusk
You could be 0/7/8 and doing far more for the team than the guy who is 5/2/10
vital knoll
Anyone have advice for playing from behind? I feel like a lot of guides are like...
Walkers are worth 2000 gold to everyone who kills them and 2000 split amongst the team, iirc. Go push walkers go push walkers go push walkers go push walkers
vast sandal
then they wasted their time for nothing but a little bit of troopers
plucky tusk
that guy is just showing up to team fights and getting last hits
vital knoll
If you kill a walker alone you get like 2400 souls
plucky tusk
tbh it's even better if you push the sidelane but play like a feral cat and vani...
This is absolutely true but sometimes they still get you
team fights are absolutely killflation but sometimes that is really good for you
vast sandal
You could be 0/7/8 and doing far more for the team than the guy who is 5/2/10
I will say there's a converse here, which is that the guy who is 5/2/10 can also be Trophy Collector Bebop and that kill participation is going to turn him into a nightmare from Hell that completely fucks up the midgame
vital knoll
Sorry it's 1600 for the people who kill it and 2400 for everyone, so killing a walker is 2000 souls
plucky tusk
I will say there's a converse here, which is that the guy who is 5/2/10 can also...
Or drifter
drifter at 5/2/10 is probably at +45 and clicking buy on vamp burst+toxic rounds
vast sandal
mhm
plucky tusk
also pro tip from me, a drifter player
vast sandal
there are a few characters that are Kill Die The Participation Guy who don't do a lot for the team except fight more, fight better, and win by picking fights
plucky tusk
If you are ever alone and see a mid-late game drifter you probably should run
unless you are significantly up or the world's best tank or infernus, you will die
You will not have the time to pop an ability and run
You will not have the time to counter spell him
Disarming him will do very little
You will get hit by weighted shot burst fire and then die
vast sandal
I mean real shit you should leave before he nails you with Rend and silences you, because once you're silenced you're probably already dead in that scenario
plucky tusk
and he will Live
and he will Scale
And then he just leaves before teammates can do Anything
terse aspen
Yeah there are several characters, like Drifter, Silver or Apollo, where my strategy is to start running if I see them on the minimap near me, and hope I have a CC ability that can slow them down fast enough for me to get to safety
vast sandal
Apollo's another Kill Die The Participation Guy type beat
plucky tusk
Yeah there are several characters, like Drifter, Silver or Apollo, where my stra...
it's not enough
terse aspen
Yes
gray otter
oh right yesterday i had the two scariest fucking games of my life
plucky tusk
I've seen many Paiges do this
Here's what we do
We hit you with 2 and teleport on top of you
Then you die
terse aspen
In my experience:
- Drifter on the minimap
- Start running
- Run under walker
- Get killed by Drifter under walker
- Drifter gets away
gray otter
oh right yesterday i had the two scariest fucking games of my life
in the first one i got beaten to death by melee rem
vast sandal
Drifter is a compelling argument not to be alone pushing lanes
plucky tusk
In my experience:
- Drifter on the minimap
- Start running
- Run under walker
-...
That is exactly what we do
terse aspen
In my experience:
- Drifter on the minimap
- Start running
- Run under walker
-...
Actually this is more Apollo than Drifter
plucky tusk
You gotta hyperline and beg for friends
terse aspen
Drifter doesn't let you get to the walker first
plucky tusk
We have shit range
You can in fact escape if you commit to just speeding away with a time lead and abandoning hope of push
vast sandal
Calico's worse because Calico kills you before you have time to call for help
plucky tusk
You will certainly die if you bother to counterplay
gray otter
in the first one i got beaten to death by melee rem
in the second one, the enemy geist abandoned her rem to go be the third person in midlane
the rem somehow got fed as fuck from this position and singlehandedly steamrolled us, while the geist ruined our prospective hypercarry's day the whole match
vast sandal
oh so this is kind of real
plucky tusk
You might say I'm exaggerating
But drifter deadass deals about 3-5 hundred damage per shot in late
vast sandal
sometimes people will leave their lane to just one character who can mega giga push in order for them to get fat and round like a pancake off of solo farm
plucky tusk
and if you die that Only goes up
once drifter gets to +60 your hope is team fights or nothing
and plate armour and gambling
vast sandal
I've beaten snowballed Drifters before but you have to be really careful about pushing lanes basically all the time once Drifter starts picking up speed
truthfully the answer is Disarming Hex -> kill him before it wears off
gray otter
sometimes people will leave their lane to just one character who can mega giga p...
but REM???
plucky tusk
And hope he doesn't have silence
vast sandal
Rem can gigapush
gray otter
i see
vast sandal
it's his little dudes
if he puts them on healing troopers it makes laning a giant pain in the ass
and he can simultaneously push while harvesting nearby Sinner's
lavish grove
Fat and greedy chud rem
finite grotto
it's always weird to me how ineffectual the base guardians mostly are
I would also love some more clarity in general how guardians target select and their range esp the lane ones
vast sandal
COME HERE YOU RAT I JUST WANNA TALK, I JUST WANNA TALK ABOUT OUR DOUBLE SINNERS
lavish shale
I would also love some more clarity in general how guardians target select and t...
yeah I have no idea on that either
vast sandal
I would also love some more clarity in general how guardians target select and t...
if you shoot an allied hero while under their guardian it'll switch off troopers and onto you
eternal dune
I will say in general I feel like this is the first moba I've played where the objectives feel so weak as an actual defensive utility
Outside of the first couple minutes they're never keeping you safe
vast sandal
you say this like we haven't done hook under guardian > combo as a kill confirm
RIP my granny she got hit by a bazooka
eternal dune
Sure but that's not really a defensive function that's "I got hit by hook into giga-CC"
vast sandal
I feel like it defended our KDAs
terse aspen
I think the turrets do keep you safe, but only if your opponent doesn't have minions or enough players
eternal dune
Diving is very free relative to everything else I've played
plucky tusk
Outside of the first couple minutes they're never keeping you safe
they're definitely quite weak past 5-6 minutes
walkers are much better
vast sandal
the guardians are decently effective at stopping 1.0 humans who don't know how to jump up and parry them
terse aspen
Drifter trying to solo dive past a bunch of enemy minions into a walker is still going to have a bad time, even if he could get away with it if he had a bunch of friendly minions
vast sandal
walkers are fucking murderous
plucky tusk
Drifter trying to solo dive past a bunch of enemy minions into a walker is still...
No he wont
vast sandal
they will straight up kill a motherfucker
plucky tusk
I have done this many times and won
you can in fact just steal walkers with drifter if you're up and they're away
vast sandal
nah yeah that's fake drifter just jumps at the guardian, taps the parry key, and then gets on his merry way slaughtering you
terse aspen
Well nevermind then
lavish grove
Guardians just don’t deal enough damage quick enough and parry lasts long enough for them to kill you
plucky tusk
like. That is his whole thing
vast sandal
I don't mind it personally because there's already a lot of cover elements and escape options in lane?
plucky tusk
drifter is the Kill and Eat People guy
If you try and go "well, surely this will stop him from Killing and Eating Me" your plan is not solid enough
terse aspen
I mean, to me the question becomes, where can you escape to if Drifter can just go under a walker and kill you anyway?
vast sandal
I mean, to me the question becomes, where can you escape to if Drifter can just ...
home
plucky tusk
I mean, to me the question becomes, where can you escape to if Drifter can just ...
hyperline
and go home
lavish shale
I will say in general I feel like this is the first moba I've played where the o...
it's similar in Dota too kinda
hallow zenith
I mean, to me the question becomes, where can you escape to if Drifter can just ...
Your buddy
plucky tusk
grab a friend and then you will be safer but otherwise yeah you are dead
terse aspen
hyperline
In my experience this results in you getting shot off the hyperline and then killed before the stun wears off
plucky tusk
In my experience this results in you getting shot off the hyperline and then kil...
drifter has shit range
vast sandal
guardians mostly do their job of preventing wackass early game Apollo stomp and they give you a hardpoint to defend off of in lane which you can often use as a wedge to push back from when you're getting swamped
plucky tusk
If you can spot early and escape you will be fine
hallow zenith
Drifter is Xv1 king if you are anything other than alone he's just like, a normal guy you can beat up
plucky tusk
but once you're caught it is uhm yeah
vast sandal
also as discussed, they are secretly a weapon that you murder people with
lavish grove
Also for drifter in lane generally you benefit from more aggressive play in my experience
Kill minions and push lanes
plucky tusk
you gotta push drifter down
vast sandal
Drifter benefits so much from pushing the lane up
because now the entire lane is his diabolical murder playground
lavish grove
He can’t kill minions well, and if you can make him stuck under tower you can abuse his bad range
plucky tusk
He can’t kill minions well, and if you can make him stuck under tower you can ab...
Buddy
I may have bad news for you
plucky tusk
he does!
but rend can eat a wave very quickly
It's not reliable to simply send a wave at him
lavish grove
Yah but if he’s rending waves he’s not rending you
plucky tusk
He will eat it for the souls, you need to actually push with that
lavish grove
Also in general pushing lanes quickly lets you ignore lanes for boxes, jungle and sinners
plucky tusk
He's not the kind of guy you can reasonably leave alone
vast sandal
you can't leave anyone alone
except like
Shiv
but Shiv manifests entirely different types of problems in lane
lavish grove
Also like, we’re talking about early landing phase. It’s not like he’s hyper carrying yet
vast sandal
Shiv and Mirage
plucky tusk
Also like, we’re talking about early landing phase. It’s not like he’s hyper car...
Yeah early lane he's very vulnerable to pushes
The dangerous part is over extending though
If you get caught in a 2v1 near guardian that can go very bad very quickly
vast sandal
the problem with Shiv and Mirage and like, MoKrill is that you want to interact with them less frankly
and they want to interact with YOU
plucky tusk
with friends you can be safe
lavish grove
I mean generally I think for drifter it’s best to just shove and then leave lane for side objectives and souls around the map
plucky tusk
But a big push with you only you and a wave can quickly just feed the duo you're pushing
lavish grove
He can’t get stacks if no one is around to kill
plucky tusk
I mean generally I think for drifter it’s best to just shove and then leave lane...
this actually makes us very happy
Drifter is Not getting stacks early
vast sandal
yeah I was gonna say the one thing about starving Drifter by leaving your lane is that he might just go looking for you
which can lead to a Not Fun Encounter
plucky tusk
His aim is souls to pick burst fire and weighted shots and then he jumps you and gets the stack anyway
lavish grove
Well if he goes looking for you in a shoved lane he’s now missing minion souls that are dying. In this hypothetical you’re already back in lane to eat the next wave so you’re not down any lane souls
plucky tusk
I have recovered up to around +30-+45 after finishing laning and early with +3-+6
vast sandal
but yes
stay with your lane partner
push up
idk like stay away from the cosmic veil if you're in sidelane probably
plucky tusk
Well if he goes looking for you in a shoved lane he’s now missing minion souls t...
the thing is he doesn't really need to like. Look for you. If he's jungling after a wave and you're jungling after a wave you can very naturally encounter
vast sandal
it's perfectly possible to just never interact with Drifter or force him to take a huge chunk of damage every time he tries to poke you if you're just constantly on the ball about it
lavish grove
the thing is he doesn't really need to like. Look for you. If he's jungling afte...
I mean so long as you stay in your side of the jungle he does have to look for you, even if he probably does know which camps you’d hit at whatever point in the game you’re in
plucky tusk
Most of my early alley kills are ppl just grabbing boxes or a camp who then become a tasty snack
vast sandal
what you can't do is repeatedly tangle with him because he regenerates faster than you and will win the Rend vs Stomp war
plucky tusk
I mean so long as you stay in your side of the jungle he does have to look for y...
early you kind of have to stay with his range, sadly
vast sandal
interact with Drifter less
plucky tusk
you can stay away but you're never truly free
vast sandal
like the other assholes who just sorta squat on your lane and make it suck to be there
laning against Shiv is fucking awful, you're always at low health because of knives and he can rip chunks out of you for trying to walk up and punish
plucky tusk
Driftuh is usually at like 4 stamina, if you're within djump of enemy camps you're within range of a Driftuh gank
this applies to even the basic lane camp
vast sandal
I will say that like
plucky tusk
I have and will likely continue to kill people in their 2 minute jungle camp because they treat it as safe and you can just Go Rend them and leave and then you get killed when it happens again
on the other hand I may just be an outlier
vast sandal
the number one Drifter screwup is jumping solo into what they think is gonna be easy damage
and getting caught out by the goonsquad
plucky tusk
Most drifters are not quite there
plucky tusk
the number one Drifter screwup is jumping solo into what they think is gonna be ...
yeah
If Driftuh goes for a solo and sees two people then it's bad
But he is overall very aggressive and worth taking seriously is really my main point
despite low range he can close very quickly
without movement abilities or backup this can rapidly go poorly
vast sandal
honestly the worst part of laning against the Drifter is that he has increased base regen
that shit adds up
plucky tusk
it's more that it is important to not underestimate his ability to patiently stack rend and bleed until you're not quite critical but within range of death from a confrontation
vast sandal
just fucking stay with your lane partner
the amount of times I've seen people split off to go jungle while their lane partner is actively fighting drifter makes me roll my eyes
plucky tusk
Yrrp
lavish grove
Idk, just in my experience I’ve never found drifter particularly hard to beat in lane. Not anymore then the average close ranged gun character
plucky tusk
Idk, just in my experience I’ve never found drifter particularly hard to beat in...
That's because most drifters are truthfully not very good
we are not a bright species
lavish grove
I mean that’s true yah
plucky tusk
We lack common sense and strategy generally
This is about drifters who are aware
and sentient
because his thing isn't laning it's just fucking killing people
And that converts into lane with a friend
His obj damage is notably worse
A lot of his damage output is hero specific
lavish grove
Do stacks not affect buildings?
vast sandal
they do but he can't get Bloodscent's damage bonus
plucky tusk
Do stacks not affect buildings?
they affect base weapon damage but not as much
it's a notable decrease
lavish grove
Ah
plucky tusk
Buildings and camps also don't proc burst fire
vast sandal
Drifter is the rare gun carry with none objective damage potential
he don't got that
plucky tusk
he can kill objectives just because of high damage but its not his speciality
and he will be slower at it than killing a hero
vast sandal
I will also say that forcing him to choose between Rending troopers to push the wave back or Rending enemy heroes means that if his lane partner has bad waveclear then there's a real weakness in the lane
plucky tusk
What makes him fucking killing you bad for lane is that it means his partner now has much more space
plucky tusk
I will also say that forcing him to choose between Rending troopers to push the ...
ye
This is a great anti drifter strategy
especially if you can slow his early soul intake
vast sandal
the other way to counter drifter is to blow his fucking head off if you have a longrange gun hero
plucky tusk
ime drifter has a very consistent curve and plateau for soul usage
vast sandal
dicta, wraith, talon, haze, and ivy are all major concerns for Drifter because they constrain the area that you can play in lane and that makes his movement based, shortranged playstyle a lot riskier
plucky tusk
Under 9-10k he is very limited in ability to just kill people, once he hits 25-30 approaching him solo becomes extremely deadly
From there he just does the same thing but better and faster
The good thing is that he tends to be down all game
vast sandal
fighting costs souls
that's a fucking tip in general, fighting in deadlock costs souls
the more your team does it the more souls you cede to the enemy team if you don't kill them in numbers
plucky tusk
You can really slow him down too
But that is generally in a slow hell game
Of 65 minutes
Oddly enough btw team fights can give him a lot of stacks
The range to be isolated is lower than you think, and his ult can convert everyone to isolated
vast sandal
the best way to deny Drifter stacks is to kill him first, he's generally not too tanky and you might as well get a major damage hero out of the way
plucky tusk
Ye
or to say dumb stuff In all chat
Drifters have a compulsion that forces them to reply to all chat
lavish grove
the other way to counter drifter is to blow his fucking head off if you have a l...
There’s characters who can exceed him in close range like billy and abrams
vast sandal
I was gonna mention that too befre I got sidetracked
vast sandal
if they're careful, Billy and Abrams are real threats
if you're REALLY careful
Vyper can just fucking kill Drifter
500 god damn DPS
plucky tusk
id say billy is scarier and viper is extremely scary
gray otter
There’s characters who can exceed him in close range like billy and abrams
is viscous one of them
plucky tusk
But Abrams can very much be handled
gray otter
can i punch the fuck out of a drifter
vast sandal
yes
lavish grove
is viscous one of them
Viscous depends on the build tbh
But in lane is a great poke hero
plucky tusk
is viscous one of them
depends but you can sometimes
vast sandal
but punch him AWAY and then shoot him
vast sandal
Viscous was created in a lab to ensure that you can never have any peace
lavish grove
That’s true!
gray otter
i love being goo
plucky tusk
Mainly you just don't want to get too over confident in your drifter conflicts because he may have just gotten +15 from the team fight and now can kill you in 5 seconds
gray otter
rapid recharge + ballistic enhancement feels unbelievable
punch punch punch punch punch punch
punch
plucky tusk
Even as really good close range heroes like Abrams
vast sandal
rapid recharge + ballistic enhancement feels unbelievable
do you buy Recharging Rush
gray otter
do you buy Recharging Rush
yeah sorry thats what i meant
i also buy ballistic enhancement
but i meant recharging rush
vast sandal
Recharging Rush is a pick for Viscous perverts
plucky tusk
overalls I believe my general point is that you tend to never truly be same against the big deiftuh
vast sandal
who need to flex their goovement
vivid nimbus
Recharging Rush is a pick for Viscous perverts
Have you seen the Mirage perverts with it?
plucky tusk
You can absolutely be outpacing him and winning more often than not but he is such a vicious little bastard
And he can just keep coming
vast sandal
Mirage players are a whole other species
finite grotto
I love playing vs drifter in lane as yamato 😌
gray otter
Recharging Rush is a pick for Viscous perverts
yeah...
vivid nimbus
Mirage has a charge skill gated behind a 35s CD per charge. But what if... we got recharging rush and headhunter and could get an extra charge every 20s from one headshot?
gray otter
i love how disgustingly fast you can throw out punches lategame
vast sandal
crucial video
plucky tusk
I love playing vs drifter in lane as yamato 😌
This is very fun but then late game is touch city where drifter touches you once and you pop into stacks ime
plucky tusk
tbh most of late drifter is touch city
vast sandal
"viscous players are bouncing on it crazy style for the love of the game" is an all time quote
gray otter
we are, is the thing
finite grotto
Drifter is so weird to me cause late he becomes a carry but not like haze or mirage or wraith etc
vast sandal
Drifter simply attains carry status by virtue of being Drifter, it's very annoying to plan around
vivid nimbus
I turned into a different sort of pervert last time I played Viscous, I went all-in on Splatter damage
plucky tusk
Drifter is so weird to me cause late he becomes a carry but not like haze or mir...
He is a guy that kills people very specifically
Which late game starts to matter a lot
gray otter
ive started saying "im goo" in all chat at the start of the game
WITHOUT FAIL if there is an enemy rem they will respond with some variation of "im rem"
plucky tusk
ive started saying "im goo" in all chat at the start of the game
WITHOUT FAIL i...
I always say glhf I'm da driftuh
And then rem says I'm rem
I had an amazing Sinclair yesterday
Me and Luna fought them
gray otter
im glad to know all rems do this no mattwr what
finite grotto
I have acquired mo and krill also as a new pick cause they fuck a lot
vast sandal
that Sinclair player was nasty w/ it and very polite
plucky tusk
Great banter between
I held them back... As long as I can
Followed by
I'm duh Driftuh and I'm gon drift on yous
vast sandal
also he kept running after me to solo ult me with my own Dynamo ult lmfao
and posting "I'LL HOLD THEM FOR AS LONG AS I CAN" in allchat
finite grotto
Good question
plucky tusk
and posting "I'LL HOLD THEM FOR AS LONG AS I CAN" in allchat
and then I would either drift them or die
gray otter
it feels like its mostly only good for escaping
vast sandal
ball is a stun that you can refresh as many times as you roll over a target
finite grotto
I also suck ass at viscous ult
gray otter
ball is a stun that you can refresh as many times as you roll over a target
the stun has a mini cooldown per target
plucky tusk
Actually the funniest but of all chat that game was "duh Driftuh is out of beer initiating kill everyone" followed by wiping half their team and dying
vivid nimbus
If you manage to near-zero your momentum, you can bounce on one guy out in the open
vast sandal
If you manage to near-zero your momentum, you can bounce on one guy out in the o...
literally bouncing on it crazy style
vivid nimbus
Pro-tip: Warp stone leaves you with zero momentum if you don't dash
finite grotto
I have seen viscous shmoove with it but when I play it it's like I am driving a 12 wheeler with no sterring
gray otter
If you manage to near-zero your momentum, you can bounce on one guy out in the o...
oh my god i can jump on people repeatedly to stun them???
evil
plucky tusk
Driftuh was in fact out of her Sunday night beer
gray otter
how evil is phantom strike on the 'cous
vast sandal
depends on what you're playing
vivid nimbus
Phantom strike is also a choice for ballin'
gray otter
...im sorry i will not call him "the 'cous" again
vast sandal
but melee viscous with phantom strike and balling out of your mind is pretty despicable
I hate it when Viscous uses goo fists to pinball the ball around like a jackass
gray otter
oh right- can i use shadow stalk during ball.
vast sandal
I've been like
gray otter
so basically i need to go into explore nyc
vast sandal
minding my own fucking business
gray otter
and learn to ball
vast sandal
looking over the battle waiting for a chance to hit a nutty web+cart as Doorman
and Viscous fucking goofist jumps a ball onto my ledge
vivid nimbus
I hate it when Viscous uses goo fists to pinball the ball around like a jackass
No way, when he uses the punch on himself that's the best part, I wish I was that fly
vast sandal
just to mess with me
plucky tusk
That Sinclair accepted my frq too they were an amazing sport
I wish there was a super commenf
super commend
henry mannequin earned it
vast sandal
unfortunately that Viscous was unable to save his team from the great evil I perpetrated on them
4 man cart under walker stun 
terse aspen
Oh yeah, I did have a game earlier where the Doorman carted me under a walker on the other end of the lane... at which point I realized that the walker had 1 hit point, so I just killed it
Unfortunately our team was already down like 50k at that point so it didn't salvage anything, but it was funny
vast sandal
that's always super funny
trying to weaponize a barely-alive objective like brother I'm just gonna kill this thing
finite grotto
Man I am motivated. Gonna try and push for a rank up
echo viper
If you manage to near-zero your momentum, you can bounce on one guy out in the o...
It's nice of Valve to let people in Deadlock experience what it's like being stunlocked by pangolier.
plucky tusk
henry mannequin earned it
late hare
ive started saying "im goo" in all chat at the start of the game
WITHOUT FAIL i...
I usually just say some bullshit like “opps must be nonbinary thinkin they them”
lavish grove
finite grotto
i am seeing more and more gun doormans
late hare
getting a little better at Holiday
learning how to angle barrels better, my actual gun aim remains subpar
merry verge
Bell damage is ehh until t3, gunman stocks rising
finite grotto
on second thought tho the team is also llooking like this
so i understand them going gun lol
merry verge
Idk about titanic mag but i don't lean that way often
vivid nimbus
so i understand them going gun lol
Geist would've been a better choice for "someone has to go gun" but if she's not, well...
finite grotto
yeee
vivid nimbus
Also trophy collector Mina???
Also Doorman having Mystic shot w/ only 3.2k spirit v_v
finite grotto
was a whacky game but we also completely rolled over them even tho damage wise it doesnt even look that bad but we were nearly 50k souls ahead at 28 min
i am vibing hard with mo and krill
oracle 1 is also near my grasp! so big excited
finite patrol
apparently im phantom 2 now
idk what this means
im actually considering buying an aim trainer because I cannot track for shit istg
glass flicker
Hold on, 17 38?????
whole moon
oh right, @cosmic cypress darling what were your thoughts with victor bc i fell in love with him immediately
cosmic cypress
oh right, <@292989751303077888> darling what were your thoughts with victor bc i...
I haven't played him yet!
He seems deeply annoying to fight though
whole moon
oh!! well i want you to tell me when you do okay.
bc i very much believe you wanna play him like a rugger, pick your scrum and try and flatten it
cosmic cypress
Hold on, 17 38?????
17 out of 38 characters
cosmic cypress
bc i very much believe you wanna play him like a rugger, pick your scrum and try...
That seems accurate yeah
agile void
He seems deeply annoying to fight though
if you played dota, his playstyle seems to be focused around wraith king
finite grotto
cosmic cypress
oh unrelated: I really like the minion designs
they have good Little Guy energy
goofy little dudes
agile rune
Common Hidden king W
cosmic cypress
yes, candleboys are cute
but the designs nicely reflect like, the two different sides
agile rune
Do you feel like all the heroes fit into one of the two patrons? I kinda do
glass flicker
Yeah, either design/personality/wish wise
glass flicker
It’s hard to say which minions I like more, I honestly really like the little crystal guys they’re cute
agile rune
I do think it’s not just a good evil split
cosmic cypress
It's not, it's way more Order/Chaos
I think I can divide some of the heroes between the patrons but a lot are very fuzzy
agile rune
Civilisation/nature
lavish shale
the Hidden King is also city based
agile rune
Maybe but motherfucker is a goddamn wickerman
lavish shale
the Archmother is high-rises and monuments, cities as orderly and projecting power
while the Hidden King represents cities as crowded and labyrinthine, full of shadowy nooks and corners
undone galleon
hidden king is proletarian & the archmother is bourgeois
agile rune
Hidden king is the only monarch I trust
vast sandal
they're both about cities and society, I think that the best way to phrase it is loosely The Old vs The New, stagnation and hierarchical control vs revolution and anarchy
finite patrol
you could just as easily make the case that hidden king is old and archmother is new as the other way around. I dont think that tracks
if it is accurate then they are cyclical.
undone galleon
yea i would not say the hidden king is revolution or anarchy
hes just broke
hes the seedy inner city, while the archmother is the civic functions & haute culture places
again, proletarian vs bourgeois
vast sandal
mmm yeah fair
it really is mostly proletarian vs bourgeois, there's hints of like
the Hidden King being more into change or upheaval than the Archmother
finite patrol
Billy is an archmother stan
undone galleon
the hidden king has a Rise Up vibe from his description yeag
but i think thats jst a combo of the proletarian aesthetics & the general thing of the patrons
as having long awaited to come into our world
finite patrol
hes also got the trucks and loudspeakers of mass organization
vast sandal
do any of the characters have different lines from different patrons
undone galleon
hdym
cosmic cypress
Doorman gets a similar greeting from both
Most characters have slightly different but the same voice lines from each
Also wow infernus is just BUSTED good, huh
I went 9/5/23 with him on my first attempt and I am bad at this game gang
cosmic cypress
Most characters have slightly different but the same voice lines from each
Some are literally just name swaps but some are more vibe based
Holiday's greetings from the Archmother are about Hunting a Monster and Making The Family Proud
whereas the Hidden King is like "Bloody revenge awaits you"
One thing I do like is that the Patrons are not....snobby? They're not like "I am power supreme, obey me fools", because they really need the cast, so they do a lot of buttering them up and tempting them
Like, several characters get voice lines about their presence being an honor
Also Mo and Krill get like, generic reward lines from the Archmother, but the Hidden King is like "These rich fucks sneer at you and hate you, but the Hidden King knows your true value, WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE-"
vivid nimbus
Also wow infernus is just BUSTED good, huh
He's pretty good! He does a lot of damage but not right away, so at lower levels it's hard to tell if you need to back off before it's too late
And his abilities are all pretty straightforward
plucky tusk
Also wow infernus is just BUSTED good, huh
absolutely busted yeah
vivid nimbus
Oh also counterbuying matters a lot vs him
random urchin
Also wow infernus is just BUSTED good, huh
He's very straightforward and can be really strong as long as people dont buy debuff reducer
vivid nimbus
Or dispel
plucky tusk
we finished a game at 65k with him while i was at 30k
random urchin
Yeah
vivid nimbus
Or disarming
undone galleon
Also Mo and Krill get like, generic reward lines from the Archmother, but the Hi...
the hidden king will make the united soviet states of america real
plucky tusk
infernus is balanced if you just dedicate three guys to counterbuying him specifically and hunting him down and killing him
its just that shrimple
random urchin
Dispel is a good pickup into a lot of teams so sometimes you get to double up
agile rune
I mean, that’s extreme but a dedicated carry requiring folks to counterbuy is about right
plucky tusk
hes probably gonna get bonked soon
plucky tusk
I mean, that’s extreme but a dedicated carry requiring folks to counterbuy is ab...
counterbuying isnt a bad mechanic but im not really joking about that sadly
infernus is very overtuned currently
he can just.. do everything
he has a built in stun, built in healing, built in dot, lane pushing, hero killing, soul generation, he just does it all
vivid nimbus
He definitely doesn't do it all, and he's not top 5 for pubs OR comp. (He is top 10 for pubs) He definitely has weaknesses but he shines where he's good
agile rune
counterbuying isnt a bad mechanic but im not really joking about that sadly
I was disagreeing with you without being rude about it
Because I think you’re just straight up wrong
He’s good but like, not in any stand out way
plucky tusk
i think infernus is good in an absurd standout way
it is very typical to see infernus generating stupid numbers of everything by game end and in ways which frankly baffle me
agile rune
Not in comp, or even in casual if folks aren’t peeking
plucky tusk
im not even joking that last match with an infernus i had he was sitting on 65k souls, 105k player damage, 18 kills, 16k healing
which is fucking absurd what is he even Doing
vivid nimbus
Yeah that's stats for a carry in any match where a carry gets ahead but the game drags a bit
plucky tusk
i think infernus is just somewhat blatantly overtuned right now
somewhat similarly to mina
im sure he'll be fine with increased fine tuning and balancing
but infernus right now is just very strong in ways that are somewhat disproportionate
vast sandal
Infernus is very strong but I think that one of the skewing metrics for pub matches is that games go looooooooong
and Infernus is really good at snowballing right now, especially when he's up against opponents that don't consciously spot Faceless Void and go "we need to take measures against Faceless Void"
agile rune
And pub matches folks peek a lot, and he punishes peeking too early really hard
plucky tusk
i will definitely say my experience is based solely on public matches
vast sandal
people have been mad as fuck about FV and Phantom Lancer since they existed
because it's the exact same phenomenon
plucky tusk
im very skewed towards pub matches
and i also have absolutely zero idea what the comp scene is like
so like idk maybe infernus is secretly balanced in the high tier games which i deifnitely am not playing in but my general experience is he just snowballs in a way that becomes very hard to do anything about at a pace which requires the coordination a public lobby lacks to counter
vast sandal
I mean yeah that's the big problem
there's an asymmetrical amount of coordination required to stop Infernus from going apeshit vs Infernus just quietly sidelaning until he's a God
so if neither team is very coordinated he gets to smoke you
agile rune
But in a good team, your side probably has something like that too
plucky tusk
well sure but i never get to experience the joy of a coordinated 6 stack against another coordinated 6 stack
i have to suffer with a 4 stack or a 5 stack and the one guy whos doing a box run during base defense
vast sandal
shoutout to mcginnis the box collector
plucky tusk
what the fuck was he on
vast sandal
tbh if there's just 2 or 3 of us grouped we can become the goon squad to stop specifically Infernus
that's real
lavish grove
I wanna join for Wednesday deadlock but I’ve had so little time recently
plucky tusk
tbh if there's just 2 or 3 of us grouped we can become the goon squad to stop sp...
yeah but that is what i said earlier
which began the infernus counterargument pushbacks
like, i think in a good team with good players and good hero distribution infernus might be balanced but ive never experienced all three at once
and the amount of coordination needed to work towards a state which is just passing better than usual is pretty intense compared to other carries
random urchin
A fully farmed up Haze is also pretty difficult to stop in the late game
vast sandal
I mean honestly we've gotten our faces melted by a stacked up Mina too
random urchin
Or basically any carry
plucky tusk
well yeah but thats low key because minas ult is a bit fucked and deals 2k damage a sec
vast sandal
and a 50k soul Wraith
lavish grove
Infernus and Wraith are really the fuck ass carries this patch
plucky tusk
minas love to press ult and laff
lavish grove
That goddamn wraith ult…
vast sandal
LIFTING!
random urchin
Even a really farmed vindicta in the late game can shred
lavish grove
Probably my least favorite ult in the game tbh
plucky tusk
A fully farmed up Haze is also pretty difficult to stop in the late game
haze thankfully seems to inflict some sort of instant lobotomy upon players
lavish grove
I hate fighting wraith with ult so much
What if she was able to get me under his Walker and break my ankles?
random urchin
Im fairly ok at haze but even I forget what the fuck sleep dagger is for half the time
plucky tusk
but a haze which remains intelligent and sensible after The Process is the most terrifying thing to see in a lane
vast sandal
its so you can catch up, stand between them and where they're trying to go, and heavy melee them
that's how you daggerpunch
lavish grove
Haze is probably my least hated gun carry rn
I can’t say I like fighting her but like
plucky tusk
i dont hate anyone
vast sandal
but yeah like
lavish grove
I don’t hate her as much
plucky tusk
i just think that theres obvious balance discrepancies in an unreleased beta game
actually thats not true i hate apollo
lavish grove
i dont hate anyone
You’re stronger then me because there’s not a character in this game I don’t hate
It’s only a matter of how much I hate them
vast sandal
to defuse the rhetoric a little may what you experienced is The Carry Moment where we lose our footing and/or aren't conscious about a lategame monster
and then we get run the fuck over because we dropped the ball
plucky tusk
and then we get run the fuck over because we dropped the ball
i was mostly talking about our own infernus
lavish grove
It’s only a matter of how much I hate them
Also if I’m currently playing them then they’re my adorable pookie who has no flaws
plucky tusk
i honestly dont mind fighting infernus in any way
vast sandal
it happens, it happens with Seven and Wraith and Mina and fuckin Haze
plucky tusk
i am just baffled by the numbers he puts up
cosmic cypress
I fucking HATE apollo
vast sandal
I joke about Seven because Seven produces some hexed ass stats if he gets gassed up
plucky tusk
i hate apollo. i hate his smug face
cosmic cypress
I don't understand his kit and his character of "I'm actually not a misunderstood demon I am literally better than you"
plucky tusk
i hate his gloating lines
random urchin
Apollo is infuriating because he moves Like That and its incredibly hard to track
vast sandal
like wdym this guy got most player damage most healing most obj damage most kills and most assists
cosmic cypress
is fucking ragebait
plucky tusk
i hate how he automatically ragebaits you on kill
cosmic cypress
Every apollo player needs to be pushed into a locker
vast sandal
if you hate apollo a lot buy Slowing Hex
vast sandal
turns off his whole ass kit
lavish grove
I just got finished playing an Apollo match
vast sandal
oh yeah he's a snide little shit
plucky tusk
that happens to be attached to the kit
cosmic cypress
I don't understand apollo's kit yet, specifically how many times he can do his stupid fucking dash
plucky tusk
and insufferably ragebaits me
vast sandal
I don't understand apollo's kit yet, specifically how many times he can do his s...
3 times
random urchin
3 but also he has only used it 2 times when you think its 3
And then maybe he has echo shard so its actually 6
cosmic cypress
Oh probably because his 1 and his ult also have schmovement
plucky tusk
i just cant stand him even the other characters i cant stand as personalities have something likeable about them
aside from kelvin
random urchin
His ult is also ragebait
vast sandal
the thing that annoys me the most about that little fucker is he taunts you while blowing up an AoE in your face that you don't get to punish
Disengaging Bullshit more like
cosmic cypress
listen, I may not be able to spell 'pentrification'
plucky tusk
i low key feel nothing about kelvin
cosmic cypress
but that's not gonna matter when I turn 'em into a... uhhh rock
lavish grove
I personally love Apollo
plucky tusk
ive never heard a kelvin voice line in my life
vast sandal
look
cosmic cypress
this is apollo
vast sandal
Kelvin commits an unintentional racism against Abrams and then goes "jesus christ I'm so sorry"
lavish grove
ive never heard a kelvin voice line in my life
Did you know that in here, he is king?
plucky tusk
ok ive heard that one
vast sandal
and Abrams goes "yeah that sounded really bad"
plucky tusk
usually before killing him
vast sandal
"don't say that again"
random urchin
Kelvin is my permaban because he makes me mad on both the enemy team and my own
finite patrol
throwing ice bomb!
cosmic cypress
yeah every kelvin I've seen just creates His Own Frozen Coffin
vast sandal
grenade out!
plucky tusk
admission
finite patrol
this will help with engagement!
vast sandal
okay we gotta talk about ally Kelvin players locking you into death
plucky tusk
i ban haze because i dont want to see her on my lane
finite patrol
I ban haze because haze mains need enrichment
cosmic cypress
okay we gotta talk about ally Kelvin players locking you into death
PLEASE! DOOR STUCK
random urchin
Every kelvin on my team traps me in the thunderdome with a billy when im on like vindicta
vast sandal
WE'RE DEAD
plucky tusk
everytime i lane with haze they went through The Process
and im out here begging them to stop jungling while our walker is under fucking attack
plucky tusk
and then my death screen cuts over to show haze missing the sinners flash
lavish grove
But also I think Kelvin’s character is neat
plucky tusk
look ive had a few incidents
cosmic cypress
but I do appreciate how many other effects have some QoL about hitting allies
lavish grove
He’s an explorer who died in the arctic and was probably Seven’s boyfriend
plucky tusk
ok actually
cosmic cypress
Kelvin is Mei on HRT
plucky tusk
overall most of my takes about balance are probably influenced by the Characters me and luna encounter
random urchin
Kelvin is Mei on HRT
why did hrt give him the dome of getting my team killed
plucky tusk
i think haze is a strong character
vast sandal
we just meet some truly fascinating Haze players
plucky tusk
just that haze players go through The Process
cosmic cypress
I know I'm in Cardboard elo
plucky tusk
and it leaves you either a super danger zone
vast sandal
woodlo when it's time to end the game (we're not even at 1M souls total yet, need another 30 minutes to farm so I can afford Magic Carpet)
cosmic cypress
I have bad news for you :^)
lavish grove
I know ranks rn are kinda bullshit but what’s your rank?
random urchin
me sitting at base shooting the orbs for 10 souls so i can get magic carpet 55 minutes into the game
cosmic cypress
I'm in the second lowest rank badge after like, 18 games
plucky tusk
I know ranks rn are kinda bullshit but what’s your rank?
i promise im not actually this bad but i have been hard stuck at initiate II thanks to the characters
lavish grove
I see
vast sandal
plucky tusk
i like to play with my friends
vast sandal
I think that it's specifically because Idiom and I are both in Alchemist 6 or something
cosmic cypress
I'm in the second lowest rank badge after like, 18 games
Well actually to be clear they give you No Rank for 10 games
plucky tusk
our elo is fuckeddddd
lavish grove
main hard carries
May mains drifter so I think she’s fine in that regard
random urchin
All your friends should play hard carries
cosmic cypress
then it dropped me at lowest rank
random urchin
Its good for them
vivid nimbus
May, do you remember about where you were before you dropped?
vast sandal
so we get matched with bizarre creatures
plucky tusk
May, do you remember about where you were before you dropped?
not that high, just above initiate, im very new to mobas at all
vast sandal
there's something wonky about how mm works when you have a big elo disparity between party members
cosmic cypress
so after 8 games I have gone from Initiate I to Seeker VI
plucky tusk
but my characters are fascinating
cosmic cypress
which isn't bad
cosmic cypress
But again as stated, I'm playing Every Hero Once
cosmic cypress
nono, we know the Moba type
plucky tusk
to say "im pushing mid you monkeys"
vast sandal
look I think we gotta shout out the Victor who just HAD to die
vast sandal
oh god right
plucky tusk
THJAT WAS THE SAME FUCLKING GUY
lavish grove
That’s crazy bad luck lol
plucky tusk
for contex this guy just killed himself at one point in the match
not like. for a reason
he just killed himself on a sidelane
there was no hero there
vast sandal
running it down the lane to die to walker was a mysterious play
plucky tusk
im not joking about the Characters theyre fascinating incidents
its really funny but they trap you in the game for forty five minutes
its a 5 minute bit that keeps going uncomfortably long
vivid nimbus
No joke I saw an E6 player die to a walker on stream last night
vast sandal
okay but did they like
plucky tusk
it happens
vast sandal
die solo in an empty lane to walker
vivid nimbus
Yeah
vast sandal
lmao
random urchin
I was playing with a viscous the other night who was like the most viscous-coded person I've ever encountered
plucky tusk
he went 0/18/5
vivid nimbus
He won a really close duel and had like 600 hp left and went to go take out the undefended walker and immediately got hit by two fireballs
plucky tusk
unimaginable numbers
random urchin
As in they would like cube you any time they thought you were in danger and would just say things over vc like "dont worry friend, I've got your back"
vast sandal
BUT
random urchin
At random
vivid nimbus
Dropped a 1200 soul bag right in front of the walker
cosmic cypress
Do you give souls up if you're executed? (League term for dying to turret)
plucky tusk
look if your kda is 0/18/5 and you have 1k objective damage and 20k playr damage as victor then like
ok man
maybe youre out there healing
but i didnt see your ass at the teamfight
vivid nimbus
Do you give souls up if you're executed? (League term for dying to turret)
Not if no one is nearby, but he did drop that bag
vast sandal
Do you give souls up if you're executed? (League term for dying to turret)
no, but self-denying isn't really a thing anymore
cosmic cypress
It's obviously Not Helpful
I was just curious, because every moba is weird about it
vast sandal
because your enemy will still pick up assist souls unless you haven't been touched by an enemy hero in a WHILE
plucky tusk
May mains drifter so I think she’s fine in that regard
i main drifter because i respect his hustle
not because he wins
my main list is absurd stupidity
lavish shale
assists are super generous in Deadlock, so it's hard to truly deny yourself
vivid nimbus
Yeah you can get an assist in a big area
cosmic cypress
lavish shale
you just kinda need to be even kinda nearby
vast sandal
the drifter zone
lavish shale
I've gotten assists from just ziplining towards a lane where a kill is happening
plucky tusk
luna can confirm that i just really like driftuh
vast sandal
I will bridge a gap between realities
cosmic cypress
ok I am bad