Deadlock

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1rrwp0o/vindicta_but_i_gave_her_socks/

Some degenerates would call this an upgrade

[agile rune]

vindicta good this patch

turns with damage as it is atm, being able to be effective a long way off is a plus

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1rrtrgs/something_something_jus_appreciate_the_wordplay/

[warm sonnet]

A bibliomancer is presumeably a cunning linguist

[maiden ledge]

Self Notes for More McGinnis Matches:
I gotta stop being a deadbeat when it comes to team fights

might try Vindicta

[jovial yacht]

I heard McGinnis' main contribution in teamfights is shutting off escapes or straight up disengage a losing fight with the wall

[vivid nimbus]

The turrets hurt a surprising amount in a spirit build

[ivory reef]

https://youtu.be/C67O0zIQgP8 <@&1277035919182008330>

[narrow rover]

Leifffff! I used to use their builds back in the day

[lavish grove]

Chat, I have an idea for a deadlock OC who’s an ixian war veteran trying to do a Soviet style revolution in America

[late hare]

I was going to say "Apollo would be a Leninist" but remembered a.) he's royalty, and b.) Lenin isn't/wasn't a thing in Deadlock I think

since Catherine the Great is still around

[final osprey]

Lenin could be around just, not good at it. I wouldnt be surprised if the Russian Empire still being around was the result of a ritual like in the game

[lavish grove]

I feel like Apollo is the kinda Royal to dabble in liberalism but not really commit

At least not yet

He is still a teenager

[lavish grove]

I doubt it tbh

It’s implied the Great War never happened

Instead the last major war was the war in ixia

Where I doubt Russia was involved

[final osprey]

I forgor about ww1 not happening. I remembered 2 not being about

[vivid nimbus]

Apollo definitely gives me noblesse oblige vibes

[lavish grove]

It’s more likely things just never got bad enough for the red army to pick up steam

[lavish grove]

He definitely holds himself to such a standard

Also unrelated chat but I do hope they eventually include any unique scaling or stats a character has in their profile

Because some of these are super important for a character and easy to miss for new players

Stuff like warden’s fire rate scaling with spirit

[undone galleon]

he would probly be around but yea w/o ww1 to create the conditions for immiseration in russia's cities, u wouldnt get the soviets in petrograd et al

by extension no coalition government, no civil war, no ussr

(that is assuming they stick w/ the tsarist empire is still Around)

[final osprey]

I think my thought that it was a wish of some kind is probably born from the fact that they call it 'The Soviet Empire'
But it'll probably get either explained or changed at some point

[lavish grove]

Monarcho-communism

Tolkien won

[open nova]

Monarcho-communism is just kinda fun to put in settings

[final osprey]

Monarcho like Corporatist Syndicalism might be some kind of way to explain using the term?
Although that's trying to read sense into whats probably a throw away name

[open nova]

Communist economics but with a lineage based rulership

With like
Some extra stuff

[somber creek]

Monarcho Communism kinda was like

The de facto form of government for a lot of nations for quite a while

[lavish grove]

The long years of that war had drained Peter of all of his patriotic spirit, by the end he was ready to finally give in and go home, if only he hadn’t walked in on that command tent. Coming out an arm lighter and aware of things he shouldn’t have been, he deserted the army and fled back to his home city of New York. Laying low for decades and entertaining himself with foreign literature, Bayo has arrived back on the frontlines in his old uniform and wielding his old rifle. He seems to summon the patrons, knowing that once everyone knows what he knows, there won’t be an America left to die for.

OC lore

[maiden ledge]

her gun is also amazing for debuffing mass amounts of people

turrets with some debuffs and extra charges is always just hard to deal with when another hero is on you

[lavish grove]

Yah the fact that turrets have perfect aim and never stop shooting means that they just, constantly apply debuffs

Mystic slow into lightning scroll is crazy strong on her for that reason

That and her ult is also crazy strong

[maiden ledge]

slows are super useful on her

i like forcing everyone to move at my speed since I don't have 16 stamina bars anymore

[lavish grove]

Yah

[narrow rover]

yo can you send me the build you used in that game?

im thinking of picking up calico

[vast sandal]

don't have access to it immediately but it's like

[narrow rover]

well first, do you mind if I ask what kinda role she is? like utility/off carry/carry?

im assuming carry or off carry but I wanna be sure before I go in

[lavish grove]

Off carry assassin

[vast sandal]

what's the difference between off-carry and carry exactly

[lavish grove]

It’s like a sliding scale of how much of a carry they are tbh

[narrow rover]

tragic

[narrow rover]

off carries can get a pick or 2 with their whole kit/rotation, carries are more 1v11 stuff

or something close to that

[vast sandal]

okay yeah Calico is an off carry unless you get crazy momentum early

[narrow rover]

fuuuck

okay, thank you

I much prefer full carries/hypercarries

[vast sandal]

conversely she threatens that pretty hard because she gets bonus souls for killing once you have her 2 at T2

[lavish grove]

Someone like wraith is a carry carry who’s only real job in the team is murdering people, someone like Warden is an off carry who’s very capable of murder but also has roles of tanking and front lining for your Carrys

[narrow rover]

wraith my beloved

[vast sandal]

Haze is more given to carrying the whole team in terms of damage

[narrow rover]

yeah I have haze on high prio all the time

[lavish grove]

Yah haze is a carry assassin

[vast sandal]

Calico's likely to be relegated to picking one target and obliterating them come the teamfighty part of the game

[lavish grove]

I will say calico is still extremely powerful up until like, super late game

Until literally everyone is full build she can comfortably fight anyone on the cast

[vast sandal]

Calico can be scary lategame if you have Escalating Exposure and Focus Lens

[lavish grove]

Does each bomb proc escalating exposure individually?

[vast sandal]

yes

[lavish grove]

That’s crazy

[vast sandal]

her combo becomes 1 2 instead of 2 1 it's weird

[narrow rover]

Hidden King got mad drip

Archmommy aint got shit on that

[lavish grove]

Chat, in a hypothetical Deadlock URF mode, who do you think would be strongest?

[narrow rover]

yamato

yamato

[lavish grove]

Yamato

[narrow rover]

I like you

but prolly yama, or calico

haze could be good

but metal skin....yk...

[lavish grove]

Yah metal skin does fuck up gun characters even worse now

[vivid nimbus]

Also characters with stacking buffs/debuffs applied by abilities, like MnK 1 or Celeste 3

[vast sandal]

I assume this means ALL abilities are on very brief cooldowns

Because if so

[lavish grove]

Yah

[vast sandal]

The Doorman

[lavish grove]

URF gives enough spell haste to be like, 90% cooldown reduction I think

[somber creek]

Also gives you like 90% cc reduction

[lavish grove]

Yah

[vivid nimbus]

IIRC it's 80% which is still 5x as many spells

[lavish grove]

Also a multiplier on auto attack speeds

[lavish grove]

Ah okay

[narrow rover]

I could see warden being pretty sick nasty on an urf

bebop would be awful, just plain awful

[vast sandal]

Oh god

[lavish grove]

Bebop bombs…

[vivid nimbus]

You can sorta mess around by turning no cooldowns on in the hideout/sandbox

[vast sandal]

Btw I saw a reference to there being a trivial Bebop counter strat

What exactly is it

[narrow rover]

counterspell

[vivid nimbus]

In normal games? Counterspell or dispel magic

[vast sandal]

Ah

[vivid nimbus]

But for counterspell, you can counter the hook, the initial bomb application, or the bomb explosion

So even if you're sloppy you literally have three points to try at

[lavish shale]

Dispel does not fully purge the bomb btw, it just makes it fall off and stay in place

[vivid nimbus]

Ye but if you're running that's good enough

[vast sandal]

Okay I’m gonna start doing that lmao

Bebop is so miserable to lane against

If you Counterspell a bomb does it negate the stack

[lavish grove]

Yah

[narrow rover]

the stack only applies if it explodes on a hero

source: i just tested it

[vast sandal]

https://tenor.com/q26ylCHbQTR.gif

[merry verge]

I'm still kind of expecting bomb to just become a different move

[lavish grove]

Also applies to any characters who have abilities that let them dodge spells

Like Apollo’s counter or Pocket’s case

[vast sandal]

seriously wondering why Bebop got that

[narrow rover]

they wont, bebop is a good low elo char. surely they wont take that away from them

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah or even ethereal shift

[lavish grove]

Bebop is the character of all time

[narrow rover]

only comparable to lash

[vivid nimbus]

Bebop used to lose stacks on death, like glass cannon

[lavish grove]

Bebop has been changed so much since the launch of the first closed alpha

[narrow rover]

I love infinitely scaling characters, dont get me wrong

but bebop is not it

[lavish grove]

Bombs infinitely scaling has always sorta been a problem tbh

They really have never found a healthy place for it

[merry verge]

He's non extant in comp/high elo and an absolute nuisance in low

It's rough stuff

[lavish grove]

I mean he’s still around just for his hook

That’s always good

[vivid nimbus]

For one day he had a cap of 15 stacks

[narrow rover]

the only reason hes so crazy in low is bc half of low elo doesnt know how to build around the enemy comp

[lavish grove]

That was fun

[vivid nimbus]

(Oct 10, 2024 - Oct 11, 2024)

[narrow rover]

they just stick to their L>R builds and dont know anything else

[lavish grove]

I never say more doom posting for a character in my life

[vast sandal]

deadlock deserves a dullahan character

[lavish grove]

Is that a DOTA term?

[vivid nimbus]

Bebop should be reworked into more of a brawler

[narrow rover]

god more dota terms

son...

[merry verge]

I do wonder why this scrap golem/boxer has time bombs

The laser makes sense the punches make sense

[vast sandal]

nah, dullahan as in the headless horseman

[maiden ledge]

played my first graves game. wow she is oppressive

[lavish grove]

Ms Shelly shocked when the robot she gave a laser beam, bombs and giant metal claw gets into fights for work:

[somber creek]

Lash should say that the death laser isnt pit fighting kosher

[lavish grove]

Oh, I thought you mean bebop was a Dullahan somehow

[vast sandal]

no, I just think with all the gothic horror trope based characters in Deadlock

we could afford a dullahan

[lavish grove]

Yah that’d be cool

I want a character who rides a horse in general tbh

It’d be really cool

[magic summit]

Mounted characters moving faster than others then it will truly be dota

[rich grove]

*paladins

[vivid nimbus]

Rough Proposal:

• Grapple Arm T1 changed to make target do less damage
• Bombs can only be self-cast, does reduced damage to self, no longer stack, base damage and damage scaling increased
• Bomb T3 applies shred to enemies
• Uppercut T3 heal increased
• Ult changes???

[lavish grove]

I wanna see a dash jump on a horse

[vast sandal]

I could see a like

Summoned Steed self-buff

[lavish grove]

A dragoon would be sick as hell for an American army rep

[vast sandal]

where your dullahan character gets on the horse and becomes faster, slow-resistant, knocks enemies aside on contact

[lavish grove]

Imagine a dulluhan riding around wearing an union civil war officer’s outfit

[rich grove]

they decapitated kotl...

[somber creek]

I want them to put in just the horseless headless horseman

https://tenor.com/view/halloween-team-fortress-2-valve-laugh-hahaha-gif-16235897817072308340

[vivid nimbus]

The Mummy but it's also Nashala's ex

[somber creek]

Fits in perfect as is

[lavish grove]

Man, thinking about it more we’ve got a lot of undead characters in this game

Vindicta, Victor, Kelvin, Seven

[vast sandal]

I mean, it's a game where our collectable currency is souls

there's some undeath about

[lavish grove]

I mean yah I’m not complaining it’s just a very common theme

[vivid nimbus]

Graves's mentor

[lavish grove]

Oh also Mina and Drifter

[lavish grove]

Yah

[granite heath]

Deadlock is a Dark Souls game...

[lavish grove]

Not Graves though

She’s very alive

for now

[vast sandal]

she's a student, she's not that alive

[vivid nimbus]

I think the mentor should get VA that only Graves's player can hear

[lavish grove]

That’d be cool

Vyper is a soon to be undead character

Because there’s 0 chance she’s alive by the end of the year

[vast sandal]

eh

Vyper's got a talent for surviving situations

[magic summit]

Seven isn't dead

[lavish grove]

I’m like 90% sure he’s very dead

Dude was executed

He just kept going

[merry verge]

Seven hits like 'lich wearing his phylactery as a fun hat'

[magic summit]

People head canon that a lot i suppose in the same way people head canon Sinclair being a mannequin

[vast sandal]

Seven may or may not have died but the attempted execution definitely didn't stick

is he a lich, is he in a state of suspended animation, who knows

[magic summit]

Where there isn't actually anything to support that but I suppose

[lavish grove]

Idk I feel like the idea is that he did die but his magic means he didn’t really die

[vast sandal]

he's a weird glowy skull dude

[lavish grove]

Like, you can see his skull under his tarp

His physical body is a skeleton and electricity

[magic summit]

His lore entry does also explicitly state he didnt die

[lavish grove]

Yah that’s true

[vivid nimbus]

Seven's only mostly dead

[magic summit]

He's just skeleton man

Part man, part skeleton

[lavish grove]

Also man I was checking his quotes

Why does seven have like 6 conversations with Holiday?

[granite heath]

I think most of us are part (hu)man, part skeleton.

[vivid nimbus]

Holliday and Geist have bonus conversations with some heroes

[lavish grove]

Why?

[somber creek]

Dynamo might technically count

[lavish grove]

Yah I think he’s similar to seven

His body was destroyed but his soul remained

[somber creek]

Hes explicitly the same as seven

[lavish grove]

Oh then yah

If I count seven I’ll count dynamo

[rich grove]

i assume geist is like

[somber creek]

Also because people with more finished visual novels have extra lines

[rich grove]

90% shit talk by volume

[lavish grove]

Oh neat

[lavish grove]

She tends to insult her partner already

[buoyant plank]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pJp9h3ffLnQ

New tier of BM just dropped

[jovial yacht]

I really wish Merasmus or a merasmus-like character that valve can make a merasmus skin out of shows up

[somber creek]

Merasmus pocket 2

[vivid nimbus]

"It's me, Merasmus from Fortress. I have escaped to this realm because I tire of Soldier's hijinks"

[somber creek]

Well he IS dead

He got tortured to death by the Korean mafia

[rich grove]

over 20000 won

[finite grotto]

I fucking love bruiser celeste 😌

[finite grotto]

a friend of mine had a questiuon about viktor. How does pain battery actually charge? Is it flat or % health and if it has any other quirky interactions with items

[vivid nimbus]

It's a damage threshold, I think it scales with boons and not max health, and I know blood tribute charges it

Oh nope, it scales with max health

According to Oct 2, 2025 patch note it was changed from 50% max health to 40%, no patch notes since have noted any other change

@finite grotto Hope this is helpful

Also, funny ancient patch note I discovered: (same day as he released)

• Shocking Reanimation attack damage no longer procs Lightning Scroll

[vital knoll]

Victor my one hero

I really wanna try the new no life steal build on him

[frail jasper]

I had something like this happen to me diegetically once. I was laning vs a Lash and he was doing a FAT ground-strike on me and I would certainly have died, except someone else had paused just before he hit the ground. So I'm sitting there doing the usual "hey" chat with Lash and I notice his HP is CRITICALLY LOW. So when the unpause timer goes, I start mashing light melee and as soon as we resume he gets bopped in the face and dies instantly.

[agile void]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOI4RxuzB3o

[agile void]

lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

sorry I just remembered that we got victor leaked this way

give me a second

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1l90yha/leaks_are_coming_numba_three/

[vivid nimbus]

It sounds like the M1 buff attached to the ult when it's on cooldown would also proc scroll

Which would be uh... very strong, to say the least

[glass flicker]

Been thinking of a character who’s a proper wizard. Goofy conical hat, big white beard, blue robe with stars and moons. Guys ancient as fuck, a Hermetic who hasn’t left his tower since the 100 Years War. The Maelstrom caught his attention and now he’s come to New York to wish for the final piece of the Emerald Tablet so that he can revive the Hermetic tradition and ascend to the level of Hermes Trismagistus

[vivid nimbus]

Trained one of the guys who failed to soul obliterate Seven

[lavish grove]

That sounds rad

Turns out he’s responsible for like, 90% of myths relating to wizards

[glass flicker]

Yeah exactly

[lavish grove]

“Yah Merlin? That was me. Saxons got my name wrong though, could never pronounce it right”

[glass flicker]

Some interaction ideas I’ve had:
•Covets the Nercomancer’s Hand and Paige’s book. Also thinks that they’re too young and inexperienced to use those things.
•Knows exactly what Abram’s tome is, but refuses to talk about it because “he’s not crazy enough to mess with that thing”
•Doesn’t believe in good or evil, but thinks Seven is damn near the devil with the thing he studied and did
•Knows Drifter and wants to get the fuck away from him ASAP
•Holds a grudge against the Venetors for killing mages during the Inquisition
•Sympathetic to Vindicta, he knew many good witches who were burned at the stake

[lavish grove]

Oh that’s rad

Also btw Robin, you wanna see a deadlock OC I made earlier today?

[glass flicker]

Chats with Apollo about Ixian politics because he astral projects there all the time

[glass flicker]

Absolutely!

[lavish grove]

The long years of that war had drained Peter of all of his patriotic spirit, by the end he was ready to finally give in and go home, if only he hadn’t walked in on that command tent. Coming out an arm lighter and aware of things he shouldn’t have been, he deserted the army and fled back to his home city of New York. Laying low for decades and entertaining himself with foreign literature, Bayo has arrived back on the frontlines in his old uniform and wielding his old rifle. He seems to summon the patrons, knowing that once everyone knows what he knows, there won’t be an America left to die for.

[lavish grove]

I’m imagining Apollo asks him about a great great grandfather he used to knew and he shares that they did a shit ton of drugs together

[glass flicker]

Oooooh I fuck with this heavy

[lavish grove]

[glass flicker]

“Serapis, now there’s a man that knew how to party. You wouldn’t believe the things we did in the 80’s”
“The 1880’s?”
“No. The 80’s”

[lavish grove]

Exactly

[finite grotto]

https://youtu.be/IOI4RxuzB3o?is=gKxjeCXA5ylfc2V-

Ok this does actually make me interested in buying egg first and then selling at min 11 or so 👀

[lavish grove]

“The Djinn plan to buy it from the US Government, why would we bargain with you?” 

“Because soon there will not be a US to buy Wyoming from”```

[vivid nimbus]

Imagining Haze overhearing this

[glass flicker]

Haze: 👀

[lavish grove]

I really wanna make interactions between him and haze

“And I can only imagine the mess you’d make with yours.” 

“Seems we’re at an impasse then.” 

“So it seems.”```

[maiden ledge]

ooh thats fun

Peter and Seven meeting up like "you know what. fuck the OSIC"

bring. it. here

🤝 ⚡

[lavish grove]

“Like I’m taking orders from the crazy old man missing an arm.” 

“This injury is proof of my hatred, like your head must be!” 

“Where do you even think I got this from?”```

[lavish grove]

Federal agents are approaching as we speak

[maiden ledge]

i like the idea of him just having like

The Thing He Talks About

#mycause

[lavish grove]

The cause or the arm

[maiden ledge]

kinda like seven mentioning feds in like every convo

the cause

[lavish grove]

Yah

Most deadlock characters have something like that

Pocket has Fairfax, Abrams has the book, grey talon his dead kid

[maiden ledge]

like

Little guy, we can do great things.

Like whaaat?

We can... Wish...America to sleep!

That sounds fuun

[lavish grove]

Lol

[maiden ledge]

oops that phrasing got dangerously close to something else

my bad

[lavish grove]

I love serious characters interacting with Rem

So much

[glass flicker]

I think The Hermit (proper name pending), would be confused by the concept of America. He used to hang out with various indigenous shamans/spirit talkers/medicine men so he’s not happy they’re gone. Also the concept of democracy is silly to him, why are you letting peasants have a say in things?

[maiden ledge]

why doesnt the patron simply eat the smaller nationstates

[glass flicker]

It was bad enough the unawakened were running things, but now you’re letting the rabble decide?

[gray otter]

oh hell yeah we're deadlock ocposting

[vivid nimbus]

I actually think the Patrons might be American institutions in some way

[maiden ledge]

my wish is that the patrons gtfo

[warm sonnet]

A bit, yeah

[lavish grove]

“Finally, someone who gets it!” 

“And besides, democracy is so passé, if you ask me it doesn’t make sense to let the insignificants decide things” 

“Oh god you’re worse somehow.”```

[glass flicker]

If only we could go back to the good old days of the awakened god-kings ruling over humanity and guiding it towards ascendancy, we have lost the old ways of the great Hermes Trismagistus

[gray otter]

i like the idea that his opinions alternate between being incredibly based (hating america for what they did to the indigenous people) and abysmal dogshit ("why do they let the peasants have a say")

[glass flicker]

Exactly

[glass flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/writing-too-fire-fire-writing-writing-fire-friendcord-gif-7801118907023267493

[warm sonnet]

I can see Seven just hating Hermit purely for his personality

[finite patrol]

who's hermit?

[warm sonnet]

Robin's OC

[finite patrol]

ah

[glass flicker]

This guy lol

[maiden ledge]

I like the idea of Hermit and Seven's interaction being like the mirror for Rem and Seven where 7 just flat out says "I don't think I like you."

[warm sonnet]

He would despise him for his quite frankly monarchial manners.

[maiden ledge]

like downright atrocious vibes

Mina + Hermit

[warm sonnet]

Seven doesn't like people telling him what to do, but also anybody else telling anyone else what they should do.

[glass flicker]

In turn Hermit would see Seven as like one of the 5 people in existence who’s Actually Evil™

Also lowkey pissed this whippersnapper has become this powerful this quickly

[maiden ledge]

"i kinda hate how u vibe"
"i think youre the fucking bane of all existence"

[glass flicker]

“Internalists burn in a cooler hell than what awaits you”
“Funny, you think I’m going to hell?”

[warm sonnet]

"How many centuries have you spent twiddling you thumbs, Hermit?"

"One must bide ones time in pursuit of the hermetic secrets. One does not achieve the title of Hermes Trismegistus in an afternoon."

"Heh..."

"And how is that funny, Seven?"

"If you wanted a gold star, you can get a sheet of them at the curiosity shop."

[glass flicker]

Daaaaamn

[maiden ledge]

wait id fucking love a gold star item for like 10 souls

can you fucking imagine

[lavish grove]

“I consider myself as somewhat of a realist Bayo, but that doesn’t mean I can’t still have some hope in the future.” 

“Hope is well and good, but doesn’t your knowledge of the world not fill you with the slightest rage?” 

“Oh I’m plenty angry, but it doesn’t do any good to constantly act on it.”

“I suppose I must respectfully disagree then.”```

[maiden ledge]

like oh my laning partner did really well

bam

gold star

[warm sonnet]

Eeeeeh

[maiden ledge]

oh we took the rejuv despite their best efforts bam

stars all around

[warm sonnet]

As long as the enemy team can't award them

[maiden ledge]

i mean yeah id assume so

i hate the enemy

[warm sonnet]

Because tipping in Dota is 90% salt factory

[finite grotto]

THAT IS MY WARFRAME DIRECTOR

[warm sonnet]

Gooframe!

[maiden ledge]

never played dota so im immune to concerns like this

[warm sonnet]

Thy soul is far less tarnished than mine own

[glass flicker]

Hermit looking at all the stars on his robe and absolutely struggling not to seethe

[lavish grove]

Also btw, what is Hermes Trismegistus?

[warm sonnet]

"I HAD TO SEW THESE, BY HAND."

[lavish grove]

Because to me it just sounds like a yugioh card

[edgy fog]

I should make a Deadlock OC

[maiden ledge]

also to counterpoint a potential strawman: teammates already use "Good job!" as an expression of salt so gold stars are harmless! YAY 🥂

I should make a Deadlock OC

[warm sonnet]

You will

[glass flicker]

Hermes Trismagistus is a figure in alchemical mythology that was like a syncretic fusion of Hermes and Thoth, who was said to be the greatest alchemist of all time. Penned the Emerald Tablet, the perfect record of alchemy

[maiden ledge]

unfortunately im not a new yorker 😔

[glass flicker]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermes_Trismegistus

[vivid nimbus]

One of the reasons I like the idea that Seven killed one of his disciples. Very few people have put int he effort to seek out the Hermit's tutelage, and all of them gifted students in some way, so he remembers them all fondly

[glass flicker]

I like it

[lavish grove]

“You sound quite angry Bayo, tell me what ails you.” 

“You have the power to rewrite reality, greater then any mage I’ve seen or killed, yet you in all of your centuries of existence have done… nothing. Nothing to mark your work throughout history. No nations upturned, no great injustices righted. How do you sleep at night knowing you can do so much and choose to do nothing?” 

“Quite comfortably in fact. Now now, don’t look at me like that old soldier, the ritual is starting.”```

[lavish grove]

Ohhh neat

[warm sonnet]

Hermit being routinely baffled by the wares people create without alchemy
Especially that which uses no magic at all
Like bedsheets and detergent

[maiden ledge]

oh my god you can ride magic carpet with abrams ult

[glass flicker]

Hermit didn’t really leave his tower for centuries but occasionally people would seek him out. Those he found worthy would become great occultists and mages

[maiden ledge]

thats so nasty

i hate that

[warm sonnet]

Pizza delivery mode

[maiden ledge]

i need it

[glass flicker]

He’s such a dick I love it

[warm sonnet]

REM not being able to really notice Hermet as he hasn't actually slept for centuries. He's just a funny shape in reality that whispers to him.

When you play REM, Hermit just becomes a blur

[glass flicker]

Like he kind of gets modern technology but it still confounds him and he thinks it’s just better to animate your spinning wheel and broom to do things. Also he really doesn’t get Fairfax and McGinnis

[lavish grove]

“You don’t scare the OSIC Bayo, the only reason you’re still alive is because you’ve never been worth going after.” 

“Send your samdmen into my dreams I warn you you’ll regret it. My mind is not a safe place for your kind.” 

“Trust me soldier, we’ve killed worse.”```

[glass flicker]

No chill

[warm sonnet]

"You have an affinity for the material arts that few could fathom, McGinnis."

"And..?"

"And your talents could be used to unlock far greater mysteries than simple destruction."

"Would these mysteries somehow involve forty or more years studying the geomantic differences between igneous and sedimentary rocks?"

"Not necessarily forty, but some significant exploration of their natures, yes."

"I cracked that at fourteen."

"How?!"

"Microscopes."

[lavish grove]

LOL

[warm sonnet]

I don't know why, but I feel the most in tune with the rude-ass characters

[lavish grove]

I mean, to be fair that is a lot of them

Most characters in this game are extremely rude

[warm sonnet]

Hermit signs up for high school so he can get his diploma

[lavish grove]

The only characters who are always polite are like, Rem and Paige

[glass flicker]

“And you’ve lost yourself chasing your so called “enlightenment”. You’re hardly even human anymore. Do you even have a home?” 

“Boy, I have had no home since the sacking of Luxor.” ```

[lavish grove]

Hell yah

[glass flicker]

Yeeeeeessssssas

[lavish grove]

Also there is one thing for Bayo I wanna do, specifically that he’s got something weird relating to whatever he learned in his left shoulder

That appears in his abilities via a tar like substance shooting out

[gray otter]

and paige is still rude sometimes (she's the protagonist!)

[lavish grove]

Yah but she’s more unintentionally rude

I can’t think of an interaction where she actively tries to be mean

Even Ivy has a few with the more evil characters

Because she’s a very polite gargoyle otherwise

[warm sonnet]

Hermit's summoned apartment is just stuffed to the brim with tools and machinery that he wants to study, rather than use

Just to make his own tools more efficient

He knows all the hermetic arts, but physics is all new as a proper field

[glass flicker]

He’s simultaneously brilliant and knows things nobody else does, but he also believes in shit like birds transforming into other animals in winter because he missed out on biologists discovering migration

[lavish grove]

“That is but one of the Lash’s many titles but yes.” 

“Oh well I met a fellow back in the day named Heracles who claimed the same thing, do you think you could beat him?” 

“A son of the gods is no match for God himself.” 

“That is a fascinating statement, we must continue this discussion after the ritual.” 

“That we must.”```

[glass flicker]

Hahahaha

[warm sonnet]

Hermit with a giant foam-finger at the Bull Pit
LASH 👆

[lavish grove]

Lash’s second biggest fan

[warm sonnet]

He transform part of the seats into his own VIP section

[agile rune]

is this a new character or someone do an oc?

[warm sonnet]

He allows a strict few magicians in, to taste ambrosia-slathered popcorn

OC

[lavish grove]

OC

[warm sonnet]

Like the Drifter

[lavish grove]

Robin’s OC hermit and my OC Bayo

[agile rune]

the drifter is not oc

[warm sonnet]

😏

Then why can't I see him in game?

[finite patrol]

didnt buy counterspl

[lavish grove]

Oh that’s because he’s behind you

[agile rune]

he is behind you and you are dying

[warm sonnet]

Apropos of nothing, why do I randomly die while outta lane?

It just gets dark all of a sudden

[agile rune]

vindicta snipes

[warm sonnet]

Oooh

That explains it

[agile rune]

vindicta drifter lane is some of the most fun I've had with the game

[lavish grove]

That sounds like hell the second they get ult

[glass flicker]

“The Sandmen exist for something greater than ourselves. We keep this world safe.”

“It is a waste of potential! In my day I knew women like you that were considered goddesses. Men would quake at the whisper of their names.”

“And you think they don’t now?”```

[lavish grove]

Oooo

I like that a lot

[glass flicker]

Haze being a badass😎

[lavish grove]

“Please, the entire reason I’m here is rid myself of this burdensome thing.” 

“That won’t save you from the noose.”```

[warm sonnet]

Haze 😍

[lavish grove]

“I want to stop him, not kill him.” 

“And why not?” 

“He’s still my father.” 

“And did you being his kid stop him from hiring Calico?”```

[glass flicker]

bayo is based?!?!?!?!??

[edgy fog]

I'm trying to think of an OC for Deadlock but the only concept that sprang into my head is... strange and silly

[vivid nimbus]

TBH I like that the game keeps it more hinted

[lavish grove]

Rem

[glass flicker]

fucking dunking on Pocket lmaoooooooo

[lavish grove]

Keeps what hinted?

[edgy fog]

Rem is cutie patootie though

[lavish grove]

That’s true

He is very cute

[worldly dirge]

got any rem chat ?

[vivid nimbus]

Who hired Callico

[lavish grove]

I mean doesn’t pocket’s background just say that their father hired the assassin who shot them?

[warm sonnet]

Pocket suspects that it was their father

But nothing is hard confirmed

[lavish grove]

Huh

[warm sonnet]

In the comic, Max appears to think Pocket is still alive

[vivid nimbus]

I don’t even remember if it specifies father and not just a family member

[lavish grove]

I kinda just assumed he was lying to Geist

[warm sonnet]

their body was obviously never recovered after the attempt

[lavish grove]

“Of course, my business is always open. Who do you have in mind?” 

“The president.” 

“Pass.” 

“It was worth asking.”```

[warm sonnet]

So it may just be the body he's talking about, but it would be weird for him to ask Lady Geistus about that

[vivid nimbus]

Please, assassinations never toppled nations, he should be old enough to know that

[lavish grove]

It would be a good start though

[warm sonnet]

"You could barely afford the postage stamp to send me the cheque, let alone pay me enough to even consider it."

"Come Ava, let's ditch these hosers."

[vivid nimbus]

“Cheque? I was going to pay in solid gold”

[edgy fog]

Cause the only thing I have in my head is like an eight foot tall bastard built like a tombstone who is a baker and was contracted to build the hansel and gretel cottage, and the witch decided he was a loose end a cursed him. Except she died a few days later and the curse has become half-unravelled and now he's a fucked up half-gingerbread and candy golem with it sort of two-facing him and now he's dealing with the guilt of being part of the witch's scheme, while also maybe being sought after by the baxter society because he might have been a puppet for those few weeks of curse.

[lavish grove]

Unironically that would go hard as fuck

Fairy tails but 40s and in a moba is like, a solid part of Deadlock’s aesthetic

[edgy fog]

He'd go by "Baker" because he can't remember his name

[agile rune]

A Solomon Grundy, if you will

[edgy fog]

Very Solumon Grundy. I love Solomon Grundy. But... Solomon Candy.

[lavish grove]

“I speak for both of us when I say no, we are not.” 

“How open would you be to a little, revolt?”

“How much of a revolt are we talking about here?” 

“Bombs under the white house?” 

“I believe you have mistaken our dislike of government to suicidal ideation Bayo.”```

[agile rune]

My oc idea remains the warehouse, a collective/hivemind of sentient magical and non-magical items that’re working together

[warm sonnet]

A werehouse

[agile rune]

Actually no, better name, The Collection

[warm sonnet]

"I'm sure the federal reserve would take a keen interest in my sudden possession of the missing gold from the Fort Knox siege. Still, no. But I am flattered."

[agile rune]

Got a whole night at the museum thing going on

[warm sonnet]

A Bespook Collection

[edgy fog]

Victor: I am. Every move wrong a stitch tears, a seam opens.

Baker: I'm sorry.

Victor: What about you? Does... that... hurt?

Baker: No. It's numb. It's all numb.```

[warm sonnet]

"Damn, give me some," - Baker/Victor

[edgy fog]

That is my thing, he's quite close to Victor in that way

but less attractive

[lavish grove]

Yah, both products of magic resulting in suffering

[lavish grove]

Idk I’ve seen enough thirsting over Cookie Run Kingdom characters to know there’s a market for him

[edgy fog]

They are styalized

[warm sonnet]

Baker and Bebop feuding entirely because people enjoys Bebop's cookies more, while Bebop is only pissed that Baker dismissed Miss Shelly's recipe.

[edgy fog]

And while I do not deny that there are some freaks out there (complimentary) who would be all for Baker, he's more Solomon Grundy level of "damn that's fucked up ugly"

[lavish grove]

“Don’t know, guess I’ll figure it out once I find em.” 

“If you ask me, you ought to drive one of your staples through his head. Anyone sick enough to make something like you doesn’t deserve to live… no offense.” 

“None taken.”```

[warm sonnet]

"I don't know why you lot are so angsty. I don't feel a thing and I'm living my best life." - T. Bebop

[edgy fog]

That is the thing, can Bebop feel?

[lavish grove]

He does have hurt lines so probably

[warm sonnet]

We haven't been told one way or the other

But I assume so

[lavish grove]

I feel like miss Shelly is smart enough to know how important feeling pain is

She seems like a very smart lady

[warm sonnet]

She do be

[edgy fog]

Actually if I remember it was Bebop who was offering to make biscuits not Miss Shelly. I do wonder if it was Miss Shelly's recipe or Bebop's.

[warm sonnet]

Though I could see it affecting Bebop in a non-disruptive manner. If not due to his core internality, something Miss Shelly designed around to prevent him from being needlessly hindered by adversity.

Well someone's must've taught him how to make 'em

How long has Bebop been alive, anyway?

[lavish grove]

Uhhh, we don’t know

Probably a few decades though

I’d bet

[warm sonnet]

Let us hope 😌

[lavish grove]

“Nowadays? Not really. Never have the time for em anymore.” 

“Yah but… you must’ve at some point.” 

“…I read Huckleberry Finn back in Ixia.” 

“Oh my gosh I love that one!” 

“I could assume.”```

[edgy fog]

"And I said to shut it. It's how Miss Shelly likes them."

"Yeah well don't come crying to me when Miss Shelly's heart gives out out from all that junk."

"... right."

"What? What aren't you telling me?"```

[warm sonnet]

Bebop's wish from the patrons: Insulin

[lavish grove]

It would be world changing

[warm sonnet]

Immediately patented by Fairfax industries

[lavish grove]

Ah shit probably

[agile rune]

Headless statue with a painting for a face/head

[warm sonnet]

Mona Lisa theft

The museum took her this time

[agile rune]

Makes for a really funny interaction with paradox

Who just wants to take the whole of The Collection

[warm sonnet]

"No takesies backsies."
"Too late now."

[agile rune]

I think the place to start with a deadlock of is to start with the wish

[edgy fog]

I like making characters who are able to have just the worst conversations with people. Like the most "oops all fuck ups" level of conversation.

I do like to give a subversive wish though

like you think it's one thing and it's actually another

but an understandable subversive wish

[lavish grove]

Stuff like the theory that Lash’s wish is to make Miss Shelly healthy so he can lord it over Bebop his entire life?

[edgy fog]

Sure, that's a particularly mean one but yeah!

[agile rune]

The collection? They don’t want to be real people or anything, they just wanna be famous, as they’re forgotten relics or art from unknown creators

[edgy fog]

That's really nice!

[lavish grove]

That’s rad

I like that a lot

[agile rune]

They’re not the brightest and haven’t realised that just doing their thing, being a functional being made of the pieces, would bring them the fame

[edgy fog]

Baker wants the kids who got caught by the Witch he helped to come back. I'm not sure if revival is possible but he feels guilty for building effectively a trap for them.

[lavish grove]

Bayo wants to inform everyone in the US what he learned in Ixia so they’ll rise up in revolt

[agile rune]

Bayonetta

[lavish grove]

Yah I did have her on the mind choosing the name

[agile rune]

What’s bayo’s schtick? Exsoldier?

[lavish grove]

He was a soldier in ixia who had his dreams of a patriotic and easy victory in war quickly dashed as the war became a quagmire, who nearing the end of his rope accidentally walked in on his superiors doing some evil magical shit. Coming out of the command tend an arm lighter he deserted and vowed revenge on the US, now taking the opportunity the ritual has given him to inform the rest of the world what he knows and bring about the end of the American government

[agile rune]

Sounds very Vietnam war inspired

[lavish grove]

More WW1 actually

Specifically he’s meant to be a parallel to Russia in that war

Just instead of it resulting in a revolution it’s just him trying to bring about it

I figured since ixia is kinda the Great War parallel of deadlock that someone must’ve come out of it wishing for revolution

[agile rune]

He’s a parallel for a whole ass nation

They’re ruled by the ghost of Catherine the great, you know

[lavish grove]

Kinda yah

[lavish grove]

Yah, honestly his character came about at my confusion of the term “Soviet empire”

And what the fuck that even means

My best guess rn is that a revolution did happen in Russia, just it was the ghost of Catherine the great couping her own family

[agile rune]

"these motherfuckers ain't do shit right"

[lavish grove]

He heard about news of the tsar being overthrown and celebrated until he learned they were being replaced by an older, dead tsar

[agile rune]

I think the important thing for a deadlock character is you should either have trouble imagining them not living in a sewer or they should never be anywhere near a sewer

anything in between does not understand the curse apple

[edgy fog]

Baker feels like a "man that lives in the sewer" situation

[lavish grove]

Same with Bayo

Hmm, pocket went from nowhere near a sewer to a sewer

Where do they fall?

[agile rune]

Sewer

we do not know the past pocket, only the current pocket

[lavish grove]

I see

[sharp osprey]

The Doorman is so hot 🤤

[edgy fog]

Doorman is not in the sewer club

[agile rune]

he's in the baroness

second most haunted hotel in america and it's all him

[lavish grove]

Yah doorman is way to proper for a sewer

The only sewer he’s near I the baroness’s toilets

They need cleaning from time to time

[sharp osprey]

no idea of any of the lore

I just think that he’s hot

[edgy fog]

He's an elder god

who has decided it would be funny if he became a doorman at an expensive hotel to watch humans

[sharp osprey]

oh my goodness thats amazing

[lavish grove]

The patrons are genuinely surprised he even shows up

Because that’s basically like seeing Jim from work

[agile rune]

we're not even sure the exact nature of him

just that he's similar to the patrons

[lavish grove]

We just know he’s old and he’s killed a lot of people in the past

He’s implied to have been a very wrathful god

[sharp osprey]

god why is he so hot

[vast sandal]

Damnit I had the same idea and called them Collector because their outward persona is an eccentric artefact collector who’s actually liberating sentient artefacts from their owners

[edgy fog]

See this is why Baker should exists

we need a deeply unattractive person

[lavish grove]

“I am the doorman of course.” 

“That’s all you are? A hotel’s doorman?” 

“*The* Doorman, but yes.” 

“Then why do I feel the need to drive a bayonet through your heart?” 

“Your old body must have rendered you quite paranoid.” 

“Perhaps that is it then.”```

[agile rune]

oh this works well too, you're so smart

[vast sandal]

My idea for Collector’s gimmick was that their skills are all different artifacts as well, Seven League Boots for a speed buff that lets them barge through enemies and deal damage, Wand of Blasting as a skillshot, Summoner’s Cloak as a shield that retaliates with a swarm of doves if attacked and their ult is Hand of Glory, a channeled immobilize that effects anyone nearby

Big bruisery initiator whose mannequin body affords them a lot of resilience against attacks and can blast through the enemy team with Seven League Boots and then squat on them with ult and shield up to let their team get cheap shots

[agile rune]

it'd be fun to do something with the items you buy, as a sentient item character

[vast sandal]

It would be, and you could give them a gimmick like buying a booster for one of their skills in the form of an upgraded version of the item it’s made from, but I think mostly it would just be funny for the Collector to talk to actives when you use them

[lavish grove]

“Curse you sly dog!”

[finite grotto]

one of their abilities is just having courier

[vast sandal]

“We find “cursed” insulting generally, but if you prefer it…”

[glass flicker]

Oka actually I fuck with this, this works

[lavish grove]

A key part of Victor interactions is that both parties should be a little sadder afterwards

[agile rune]

also had the idea of a chef character whose gun was just them throwing knives and forks

[lavish grove]

Either that horny

That’s like the 2 effects Victor has on people

[vast sandal]

My other character concept for Deadlock is that there isn’t really an insane doctor / mad scientist archetype

[edgy fog]

Oh Baker would throw a knife yeah

big ass cleaver

[vast sandal]

And due to general cowardice no one has tried mad doctor of visual arts yet

[edgy fog]

Maybe even have a boomerang cleaver

WHich means bigger shots but hit out and return

[lavish grove]

I feel like the problem is that like, gothic mad doctors are so aesthetically wrapped around Victor Frankenstein and like, we already have Victor

We don’t need his dad

[vast sandal]

So my concept is Virtuoso - insane painter who wields magic pigments and is both truly, thoroughly insane and also has magic powers normal people can’t use

[edgy fog]

Gimme someone to write a Baker interaction with

[glass flicker]

Hermit would probably be like “yep I’ve seen this before. 11 times, actually” to Victor but not know how to help him

[glass flicker]

Hermit 👹

[edgy fog]

Well I'd rather have Hermit's creator write their side for Hermit 😛

[lavish grove]

“Great, are you gonna help me at all?” 

“Oh heaven’s no I no idea how to find your creator nor reduce your pain, I just thought it’d be interesting to point out.” 

“Thanks.”```

[glass flicker]

Hmmm gimmie something to start and I’ll see what springs to mind

[edgy fog]

Can I get a description for Hermit sorry? I think I missed it

[glass flicker]

Unfathomably old Hermetic wizard (the stereotypical pointy had and big white beard type) who hasn’t been out of his tower for a few centuries. Honestly a bit of a dick, he’s got some ridiculously progressive ideas but also he’s a classist wizard nutjob. His wish is to finish the emerald tablet and rebirth the hermetic order to become an ascended mage

[edgy fog]

I got an idea

Baker: "You know... I was told once that I was lucky. Most curses like this, when the 'master' dies the cursed die with them."

Baker just makes me think of a DnD character I had once who used to be a guy, and knows he used to be a guy, but was now a fluffy lamb toy

and he's both kinda adorable and silly, because he's a cleric, but also he had a small break down rant about how he didn't have hands, just fluffy nubs

And they didn't work like hands either he couldn't hold shit.

[vast sandal]

1 - Dye Red
Virtuoso throws a hexed painting scraper; on hit it causes red paint to leech from the target in lieu of blood, dealing Spirit damage over time and leaving a conspicuous trail behind the target.
T1: Bleeding targets are Slowed while they bleed.
T2: Hitting enemies with Dye Red shortens its cooldown
T3: Charges enabled, base 3.

2 - Line Art
Virtuoso charges forward with a flash of a swung brush, dealing Melee damage as he traces an inky line; enemies that touch the line left by Line Art take added Spirit damage over time.
T1: Virtuoso recovers health on hit with Line Art’s melee attack
T2: Line Art can be recast shortly after use
T3: Line Art’s line lasts longer, and inflicts a slow on hit

3 - Cackling Madness
Passive - Virtuoso charges Madness when inflicting debuffs. Stores 1 charge base, does not charge naturally.
Active - Virtuoso cackles in manic glee, gaining a diminishing speed and fire rate buff.
T1: Virtuoso deals added Spirit damage on bullet hit if the target is debuffed.
T2: Adds a charge and increases the buff duration.
T3: Virtuoso heals while under Cackling Madness’s buff.

4 - Still Life
Virtuoso designates an area for his masterpiece, warning nearby characters with a visible AoE where Still Life will hit. When Still Life finishes channeling, all targets within the area are Immobilized and Silenced for 3 seconds, so Virtuoso can finish painting them properly.
T1: Targets immobilized by Still Life take X% extra damage from Virtuoso
T2: Virtuoso’s other skills immediately cooldown if Still Life hits 2 or more hero targets
T3: Upon Still Life’s debuff wearing off, targets take added Spirit damage. If they are below X% of their max HP, they are executed instead.

Fuck I just kinda cooked up a whole-ass kit for Virtuoso instead of explaining his Vibe™ but the idea is that he’s a youngish professor of visual arts who went insane trying to use a combination of magic and art skills to paint literal life into his work until he finally cracked and “saw the light” - he just needs to literally kill people and paint their souls into the canvas

[lavish grove]

Oh yah kits

[lavish grove]

Oh god

We may have to put him down if he starts talking about the number 4

[vast sandal]

Shit, did League do something like this

[edgy fog]

https://tenor.com/view/bom-dia-viata-gif-24217246

[lavish grove]

Jihn, though he’s a gunman

[edgy fog]

https://tenor.com/view/jhin-khada-jhin-league-of-legends-lol-lord-of-the-rings-gif-25814534

[vast sandal]

Okay murdery artist is a trope I guess

But like

[lavish grove]

Yah that’s really it

[vast sandal]

I was just kinda doing the Portrait of Dorian Gray ref to the max lol

[edgy fog]

Oh definitely, but yours is more painter turned mad while he's someone who wants to make murder an art

[lavish grove]

I haven’t read that one

Also man if that’s the case Paige’s interactions with him would be very funny

[vast sandal]

Basically a guy gets a portrait done which ages in his stead in Dorian Gray

It’s like a lich phylactery but a sick ass painting

[lavish grove]

Oh huh

[vast sandal]

Anyways the gameplay vision for Virtuoso is that he’s a spirit carry that’s really good at running people down

Or escaping, potentially

[lavish grove]

The kit makes me think of a less tanky more offensive shiv

[vivid nimbus]

This convo made me listen to the Jhin theme for the first time in years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSQZqVsaKWY

(It's such a good theme)

[agile rune]

you could also go in a more "elditch cultist, colour out of space" angle

[vast sandal]

Yeah, could do

Could go at it both ways tbh, he found the pigments that produce unearthly colors that entrance the mind but the murder painting is his own idea inspired by going nuts

[agile rune]

reminds me of muse, the daredevil villain

[edgy fog]

Oh that psycho

[glass flicker]

“Well, it depends on the curse my boy. I once knew an apprentice who killed his master in his sleep. The results…”

“Why, what happened?”

[vast sandal]

oh actually, nevermind his 1 that's Shiv knives anyways

I think a better 1 would be one where he sprays cursed paint into your eyes and blinds you

[glass flicker]

“Poor fool was turned into a tree. He was alive all the same.”

[vast sandal]

still a skillshot but instead of bleed (derivative, Shiv does this) it blinds you (spicy, only Drifter ult does this) and it references the magic paint theme

[lavish grove]

1 - Bayonet Jab
Bayo stabs with their rifle, dealing spirit damage and enhancing their next bullet to deal additional spirit damage, increasing for each target hit.

1. Increase damage
2. The enhanced bullet slows a target and decreases the ability’s cooldown
3. Heal for 100% of the bullet’s damage.

2 - Tar Charge
Bayo lashes out with an arm of tar, marking the first enemy hit and dealing spirit damage. Bayo can recast the ability to dash to the target.

1. Decrease Cooldown
2. Grant a shield during the dash that scales with spirit power
3. The dash deals light melee damage.

3 - Walking Fire
Bayo creates a shield of Tar in front of him, granting additional resistances to all enemies in that direction and increasing his fire rate. While this ability is active he does not slow himself when shooting.

1. Increase resistances
2. Increase movement speed during ability
3. Increase fire rate and reload rate during ability by 100%

4 - Tie the Noose
Bayo shoots out a shotgun blast of tar from his left shoulder. All enemies caught in the blast take spirit damage and are marked. If Bayo shoots a marked target, Bayo teleports next to them and stuns them. Once used the marks disappear on all other targets

1. Increase ability range
2. Increases ability damage
3. Marks are not consumed once one is used

[vivid nimbus]

Oh hmm now I sorta wanna do a shadow cultist OC who's also Meepo with some thoughts from Slork

[undone galleon]

this is my favorite part abt anything w/ "heroes", which is just everyone cooks up ocs for it

[edgy fog]

Think of a start and I'll write out a second one

[undone galleon]

even pvz heroes had this happen to it

[edgy fog]

Nice

[lavish grove]

I want him to be a frontliner hybrid character kinda similar to how warden players but with more an emphasis on mobility and staying attached to people

[vivid nimbus]

(The Slork thought is just inactive bodies becoming invisible/invulnerble when out of combat)

[undone galleon]

deadlock needs more melee guys, for which my take would be a pancho villa-analogue brought back from the dead after dying in the ring; now's tryna rebuild her career in the same new york prizefighting ring that bebop & lash r competing in

[vivid nimbus]

You gotta have at least some sort of basic gun for both last-hitting and half the gun itemization

[undone galleon]

oh certainly yeag

i like the idea of her hand explodes into a shotgun spray

[lavish grove]

I hope one day we get a gun carry who uses a double barrel with super high fire rate, like 0 reload that just lets you keep firing

[vivid nimbus]

0 reload is probably also a no-go

[lavish grove]

Oh yah I just meant like a really short one

Not literally 0

[vivid nimbus]

Ah fair

[lavish grove]

I just want a low capacity quick reload gun in this game

Since all of them tend to lean more on high capacity slow reload

[vivid nimbus]

Silver had that and her laning was bad enough they bumped it up to 8

[undone galleon]

in fairness, one shot, one reload only Does Suck

in a game abt gunplay

[lavish grove]

I mean yah but she fires really slowly so it still feels like a lot of bullets

[granite heath]

one shot one reload means you can't really secure souls

so you kind of have to allow at least 2 shots

[glass flicker]

“No, I don’t belie- Wait hold on! Now that you mention it I have just the scroll!” 

“Really? Oh thank god!” 

“Hmmm… Wait. How many corpses are you comprised of again?”

“Uhhm. I don’t know?”

“Well, this could end your suffering. It would also rend your body into its constituent parts.”```

[undone galleon]

mb upping the bullet spread but ud still probly lag behind yeag

[lavish grove]

“Temporarily.” 

“Any particular reason why?” 

“Revenge.” 

“Aye, that’s a good reason.”```

[glass flicker]

Nice lol

[agile rune]

currently doing a design exercise for another game, have some ideas on what I'd put on the collection

[agile rune]

actually I do not know what kinda role I want the collection to play or even when their gun would be so I'm gonna do some thinking

[lavish grove]

“For wholly different reasons.” 

“Bayo, you wound me.” 

“Oh don’t confuse your petty ego trip with my revolution seven. Our enemies are the same but we cannot be more different.” 

“And here I was thinking of you as somewhat of a colleague.” 

“…well if you do plan to destroy the OSIC after this I won’t stop you.” 

“That’s the spirit.”```

[lavish grove]

Chat, do we know if Abrams was born in Ixia or New York?

[glass flicker]

Don’t believe so?

[lavish grove]

Don’t believe what?

[short quiver]

Born in Ixia

[lavish grove]

Ah cool

[glass flicker]

Don’t believe it’s clarified

[short quiver]

Not in-game

I think said by yoshi

[lavish grove]

Huh

Oh can I not send gifs in this channel?

[agile rune]

you should be able to

[lavish grove]

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-cat-cat-freaky-cat-freaky-tongue-freaky-cat-tongue-freaky-tongue-gif-11560619178986255398

[agile rune]

that one was looping too fast from me

[lavish grove]

Huh

Idk why I couldn’t send my Yoshi gif then

Weird

“Hmm, I’m surprised to hear that coming from a man dressed like a soldier.” 

“Wearing this uniform is merely to remind me of why I do this. It’s my great shame… and a focus for my anger.”

“Now I’m more worried by what you said.”```

“Thanks but no thanks, I know your type and it’s not compatible with what I do.” 

“What, you think of me as some legalist? Crime to support the revolution is acceptable.” 

“No not the crime part, it’s the capitalism part. I rather like it you see, and you… well I’m betting you’re not a fan.”```

[bleak thicket]

https://bskye.app/profile/bushwacker0079.bsky.social/post/3mgye765rjc2d

[glass flicker]

On you think Rem says “pasketii”

[frail jasper]

"sketti"

[glass flicker]

True

[frail jasper]

here we go, I had to find it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IdicHhYkuE

[whole moon]

Mina’s bones are very soft, Victor takes forever to hit his stride, my gf and i can beat medium bots together, i have no idea how im supposed to get lots of souls but i am getting Paid

[lavish shale]

Catch minion waves whenever you can

Do Sinners

[whole moon]

Where Those Are is Still Sort of A Mystery

[frail jasper]

ideally, catch waves by yourself so you get 100% of the souls and it doesn't get split

[whole moon]

please understand i am an old woman who does not play mobas we are training wheels here

[frail jasper]

fair enough
the "sinners" are the casino vaults you may see while running around between lanes
the minimap indicates the location of the "sinners sacrifices" with these square icons

[whole moon]

yeah! i do Get Them

But I don’t know the map and do get lost a lot

it’s very. Busy

[lavish shale]

Learning map layout is just kinda something that comes with time too

Loading into the sandbox to roam around can help too

The Sinner locations are also sorta symmetric between both sides

[hallow zenith]

Mirrored

[maiden ledge]

I hit Alchemist with my last match yaaay

Also congrats on beating medium bots!

[desert kelp]

I do not get holidays kit.

The more I learn about the game the more I don't get how her kit is supposed to work tactically or thematically.

Everyone else I get except maybe Sinclair who's kit feels sort of boring outside of ult.

[desert kelp]

Why does a cowgirl sherif have a comically large bomb? Or a jump pad? How do either of those items synergize with her headshot passive?

[whole moon]

yaaay thank you, it’s a squeaker each time but it’s learning experience!!

[frail jasper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1299176711149326377/1477938714951946301/1bf14913-92a3-478e-9599-e7c1e0611106.mp4?ex=69b5be70&is=69b46cf0&hm=914d57ae857cb7b55cb43e6891cbbf1a75bcce41e7113dde9e4e0d8a83facf77&
This is what it looks like to put the absolute moves on someone.

[desert kelp]

Damm

[frail jasper]

• do the jump-melee trick to spike barrel bombs into people for huge burst damage
• jump pads are busted as fuck once you learn air strafing, buy stamina mastery (you also combo the landing damage w/ bombs)
• occasionally you give people FAT HEADSHOTS (powerful lane tool if you can aim)
• lasso is a major "pick" tool for catching and (team) killing some key target enemy, unless you have swag like that video you kinda need teammates around who help kill them with you

[whole moon]

Holliday seems like she has a utility kit so that she can always pick her engagements and get her target? At least that’s how I reckoned it

she’s support in that she shares her movement and burst damage with her lane partner

[desert kelp]

How does she share burst damage?

[frail jasper]

Air movement tech is HUGE and if you're good at it you can become nigh unpunishable, especially if you buy Counterspell or Dispel Magic

Allies don't benefit from the jump pad landing damage IIRC, but it's still really good for rapidly initiating onto a target

or escaping (though enemies are likely to be following unless you out-air-movement them)

[whole moon]

da barrel… just shoot it… and you get a Burst of Damage yes

Throw the barrel at your buddy tangling with a wave and he just pops it to clear a lil faster neh?

This is just me looking at the kit n thinking bout situations

[frail jasper]

I actually don't know if allies can pop the barrels.

[whole moon]

can they not?

[frail jasper]

The barrel can be detonated early by being shot, melee'd, or detonated by another barrel.
I'm fairly certain only Holliday is able to shoot barrels (I've tried shooting enemy barrels before to no effect) and presume that it's the same for melee-ing barrels. Though if you're in melee range of a barrel as an enemy IDK why you'd do that. I can't concretely recall any time I've tried to pop barrels as an ally but at least part of this is because correct barrel usage involves dunking them on people so they explode immediately anyway.

[whole moon]

that’s fair! i didn’t know they exploded on dunks lmao

well i guess she just gets to share her mobility with the team

[frail jasper]

The trick is a property of what happens when you melee the barrel. If you're on the ground, it goes flying in an upwards arc, exploding when it touches something. If you're not on the ground, the barrel flings down-forward and explodes as soon as it touches a surface or enemy. So the correct barrel usage is basically to do a tiny hop and immediately chain Barrel -> Light Melee so it slams into the ground in front of you.

[final osprey]

In night shift they describe her as a pick hero, where her main job is to lasso someone into her team.
Thereby giving your team the opportunity to fight an advantageous team fight.

[frail jasper]

Holliday is most definitely a Pick Hero, yes. Barrels and Jump Pads are fairly good burst damage tools (esp. in tandem) but a well-timed Lasso on the right target can entirely dismantle an enemy team's ability to fight (snatch a Dynamo or something for example).

[jovial yacht]

I just went a game where I was a colossus infinite ammo with a paige teammate with shrink ray, and i was the shrinkray target

Hilarity commenced

[somber creek]

Loud but

https://youtu.be/Y-WrfSoYWD8?si=ppXuIlKzpnzZuYkG

[torn gulch]

TIL i can buy a 1600 souls item to heavy melee cancel

[narrow rover]

yeah its like uh

fleetfoot yeah?

fun item

[torn gulch]

Restolocket

[narrow rover]

unrelated: I still fucking got it

[torn gulch]

fleetfoot is 3200

[narrow rover]

you can melee cancel with this too and its only 1600

pair em both up and you're a feinting machine

[torn gulch]

I may be stupid

thought fleetfoot is 3200

time for a new generation of melee silver

[narrow rover]

TIL you can cancel with locket, so we're both stupid

I thought it was only fleet

I wonder what other actives allow for melee cancels

[torn gulch]

Fury Trance, Colossus, VampBurst and Unstoppable

[narrow rover]

the holy divinity of feinting

for honor would like to have a word

[woeful kiln]

Bash time! Yippie!

[narrow rover]

INCREDIBILIS

or whatever

[woeful kiln]

Incrediblis my beloathed

[jovial yacht]

I notice a lot of the characters i like to play as are usually one man armies

Too bad i suck at being one man armies

Maybe i should add warden and shiv to my hero pool

[narrow rover]

carries are the most fun

imo*

[jovial yacht]

True, but i don't really see the appeal in those gun carries

Like seven, haze or wraith, although yeah those guys are really annoying to fight against

[narrow rover]

i come from an fps background, it makes them feel/play easier

granted I also have league experience, but few of the casters have really "spoke" to me per se

[jovial yacht]

Maybe its also because i come from TF2 and titanfall but i really like the more harder to kill characters

Just pure self sustain and the inability to be brought down

[narrow rover]

I LOVE TITANFALL

[narrow rover]

warden is your shit

warden, abrams, etc

victor

they were made for you

[jovial yacht]

Yeah my most played is abrams

Victor is a good no-brainer

My WR is horrible though 14 games 4 wins

[narrow rover]

my venator wr

[jovial yacht]

But yeah, i should add warden to the roster

I also have seen shiv go crazy

[narrow rover]

is like really bad, but my kp/other stats are insane

shiv is nice

[jovial yacht]

He's really annoying to fight against

[narrow rover]

1 sec mid game

I wanna play shiv as an assassin/burst char, but hes a spirit bruiser/tank

[agile rune]

Chef Bonglut

The sous chef (gun)- kitchen knives the chef flings at close to medium range, reload is shutting the bag and reopening it for the knives to reappear, 7 “shots”

Melee is a rolling pin

1 Meal prep- either hold to heal yourself or target an ally within close range to heal them
T1 gain regen when healed by meal prep
T2 gain movement speed when healed by meal prep
T3 meal prep now has charges, max 3

2 Pan fried- skill shot throw a pan that causes a short stun (shorter than heavy melee)
T1 Increases damage taken while stunned
T2 Hitting pan reduces cool down
T3 Pan ricochets to each enemy hero within very short range once (ricochet does not count for cooldown reduction)

3 Well Seasoned- Passive, Gun shots inflict a stack of well seasoned to a max of 7, for each stack increase the duration of debuff effects
T1 When hitting an enemy with full stacks of well seasoned you deal increased damage
T2 Allies gain scaling lifesteal on enemies for each stack of well seasoned they have
T3 Enemies with a stack of well seasoned deal reduced damage

4 Bon Appetite- Skill shot, throw a cloche at an enemy, on hit they are rooted and a mouth appears below them and bites down, executes below a certain percent. If this ability executes gain extra souls
T1 Enemies that survive are slowed and have reduced healing
T2 Gain movement speed, fire rate, and max health, for a short time after this ability executes
T3 This ability now gains charges, to a maximum of 3

Chef Bonglut is a larger man in a chef’s outfit who serves as both herald and personal chef of an unknown and eldritch entity with a vast appetite for just about anything that can be eaten. Despite the strangeness of the arrangement the chef finds it to be a fulfilling and professionally rewarding kind of employment. The fact that his employer keeps him young and healthy so long as the meals are up to standard probably doesn’t hurt. Lately though the entity’s hungers have been growing ever stranger and so Bonglut has found himself in the cursed apple and in the ritual, looking for newer and weirder ingredients and recipes, and perhaps the patrons can help with that.

Bit of an off the cuff idea of a deadlock oc

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1rt7954/whats_the_plan/

[edgy fog]

I am always a fan of chef characters

[agile rune]

I had the chef idea but I was struggling to make it magical, then the idea of the ult being a mouth biting down hit me and from there followed the line "serves as both herald and personal chef"

[lavish grove]

Falling Devil core

[agile rune]

mechanically I wanted to do some kind of support/tank

[torn gulch]

This should probably tell you a lot about the intelligence of average oracle player

[glass flicker]

I’m thinking Hermit was born in the mid 400s CE in Egypt around Luxor. Not sure on a name for him yet. Either something Egyptian or possibly Greco-Roman since at that point the region had been dominated by the for centuries. He was raised pagan, maybe a Mithraic, so in addition to the having a grudge against the Venators for killing his fellow mages he also doesn’t like Christianity for pushing out all the pagans (plus he thinks he could totally take Jesus on in a sorcerers duel (he would get absolutely smoked))

[edgy fog]

I imagine Baker being a tank/weapon based character who concentrates on large hits of a boomerang knife

[agile rune]

oh bonglut comes from bon vivant and glutton

oh baker and bonglut would have funny interactions

[warm sonnet]

Bong Lute 😌

[agile rune]

that too

I'm not sure if I want to go the heavyset chef route or someone who looks like anton ego

[glass flicker]

Jesus WAS a wizard and Hermit is incredibly insistent he was nowhere as powerful as Hermes Trismagistus and if you say otherwise he will turn you into a newt

[warm sonnet]

I can see him being somewhat disheveled, stressed from having to appease his patron, but otherwise dresses professionally.

[glass flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/i'll-kill-you-tim-robinson-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson-angry-mad-gif-9099818194528470076

Hermit the second anyone disrespects the Hermetic secrets

[agile rune]

it's not a bad boss but it's kinda needy

[warm sonnet]

Yeah, it's not that he's being overworked routinely

[glass flicker]

Never trust a skinny chef

[warm sonnet]

There's just been a higher demand from work recently

Skinny Bong - Conveys a more stiffer/professional vibe, knows things from experience but cannot allow himself to spend too much time in savoring the flavors. More of a perfectionist who might've lost the love for cooking that got his patron into his food to begin with. Does coke to quit smoking.
Pudgy Bong - Classical food-loving chef. Frequent and accurate taster of his own cooking, measure thrice type of thinking. Not a perfectionist, but has begin to doubt his cooking's quality. Perhaps from isolating himself from cooking outside of his own. Quit both, and fills the urge with the work.

[agile rune]

Skinny I worry gets a bit too close with doorman as a service worker with edlritch ties

[glass flicker]

We need some more big boys anyway

[edgy fog]

Baker and Bonglut would be the wideboy lane

Looking like disney goons

[glass flicker]

lmaooo

[agile rune]

well bonglut looks like the ghost chef from ratatouille

[warm sonnet]

To avoid that, make him a bit more bedraggled by his work. While the Doorman is always prim and proper, Bonglut actually has a personal life he has to maintain.

[agile rune]

thanks for bouncing my ideas with me

any thoughts on the rough mechanics?

[edgy fog]

I'm not sure what I'd do with Baker...

Just hada terrible game in street brawl as Ivy where the enemy shiv just ran past my team and focused me down while my team didn't give a shit

and despite being focused I still managed to have more damage than our team's sinclair

[lavish grove]

Venator interactions is him powerscaling Jesus

[glass flicker]

Yes absolutely 100%

[warm sonnet]

Venator is the least invested in the discussion out of the two, humoring him somewhat

[glass flicker]

Oh absolutely the case Hermit takes this shit seriously

[lavish grove]

Yah I imagine Venator’s part in this is more just wanting to shoot him

[glass flicker]

Calling him a “follower of the Christ-god”

[warm sonnet]

Venator kill line for Hermit: "As water to wine, lead to blood."

[glass flicker]

Hard

Extremely hard

[lavish grove]

Initial Cast: Your crimes, uncountable!

Mark: Your punishment, death! 

Low HP: 

Initial Cast: This war ends when I say it ends! 

Mark: The gallows call!```

[glass flicker]

“Aye, for my God became man.” 

“And for what? To die on a tree like a common thief?.” 

“For our salvation.”```

[warm sonnet]

Niiiiice

[lavish grove]

Yooooo

[glass flicker]

Hermit

[warm sonnet]

"They've never betrayed me while I have kept my faith."
"Just so, your protections are conditional and flimsy. Putting a cross on them will not change that."```

"Allow me to at least give you some surety in life that you can never have in death."

[lavish grove]

Hermit interactions with doorman where he asks him to drop the facade

This isn’t his first time seeing a god in disguise

Odin used to pull this trick all the time

[maiden ledge]

how do i "hit the tyler" with doorman

[agile rune]

what

[warm sonnet]

Bind scrollwheel to crouch (or back) I believe?

[maiden ledge]

there was a video of a doorman player dashing forwards but going backwards and called it hitting the tyler

ah it's more scrollwheel tech, i swore off of that since apex so I'll pass

[glass flicker]

Oh yeah he absolutely sees through Doorman. Unsure if he’s a bit smug and sees him as a cosmic brat, or he knows not to fuck with him because he’s an actual outer god

[lavish grove]

I feel like doorman would fall under his “people he actually respects” umbrella

Maybe not enough to not poke the bear

He is a wizard after all

[glass flicker]

I could dig

[lavish grove]

But enough that he isn’t actively antagonistic like he is with a lot of people

Because like yah, doorman is the real deal

[glass flicker]

Haughty wizard but he still knows who to respect and to treat with

Doorman one of the few people to call Hermit by his real name

[lavish grove]

What is his real name?

[glass flicker]

Not sure

Still working on it

[lavish grove]

Fair enough

[glass flicker]

Either something Greco-Roman or he’s got an Egyptian name

[agile rune]

I like how the setting makes folks feel comfortable making ocs, probably cause it's a bit kitchen sink

[lavish grove]

Yah

It’s just New York, just now with magic

[agile rune]

again really reminds me of Blood Blockade Battlefront's hellsalem lot, just in an earlier time period

[glass flicker]

Pasebakhaen “the star appearing in the city”

[warm sonnet]

The Doorman: "I am the Doorman. At the Baroness Hotel."
The Hermit: "And for how long will you debase yourself?"
The Doorman: "When the urge to rule returns. By then, it would be pertinent for a once-worshiper to remember my rites."```

The Doorman is secretly Hermes Trismegistus

I can see the Hermit as someone who doesn't fuck about, but isn't as much of a solipsist as Seven

[lavish grove]

Does seven have interactions with Doorman actually?

[warm sonnet]

I don't know

Time to looksies

[worldly dirge]

dont think so

[warm sonnet]

Not conversationally from the wiki

[lavish grove]

Ah damn

[glass flicker]

Doorman does shittalk him in the Baroness

[lavish grove]

Ok yah seven knows somethings up with him then

Probably not what’s actually up with him though

[worldly dirge]

bebop, paige, victor, lady geist, grey talon, mina, abrams, apollo and dynamo

thats all his interactions im pretty sure

[lavish grove]

Doorman or Seven?

[worldly dirge]

oh, also calico and silver

doorman

[lavish grove]

Ah okay

[worldly dirge]

seven does want to become a god and doorman is a god

so the interaction would be interesting

[warm sonnet]

Seven taking notes in Godhood 101 class

The Doorman is just there to make sure people are in attendance

Who's the teacher?

Lash of course

[glass flicker]

Real

[warm sonnet]

Duuude

Hermit and Celeste would be such buddies

[glass flicker]

He’d be awed meeting a real unicorn

[warm sonnet]

He just likes unicorns too much for her personal choices to matter to his world view

[glass flicker]

He’s been around a while but never has seen one before

[warm sonnet]

Not pure of heart

Oh man, Paradox would be a fucking bother once he pings on their radar

[lavish grove]

Hermit meets dynamo and extremely annoyed someone who actually got to permanently live as a spirit would waste the opportunity binding himself to a physical form again

[warm sonnet]

Ancient Wizard Detected: Engage Looting Protocols

"I love my wife."
"Hwat the fuck is a wife?"

The Hermit sees Infernus and immediately tries to bind him with the seals of solomon (the real ones)

You can never have to many bound demons

He wouldn't know what a gargoyle is, since that's an architectural affectation, but he'd know an animated statue when he sees one

[glass flicker]

Having the real seal of Solomon is fucking hilarious

[lavish grove]

“Oh, do tell more.” 

“It is locked up with the greatest wards one can dream of conjuring.” 

“And?” 

“Inside dozens of hell beasts and golems guard every entrance and exit.” 

“And?” 

“Every artifact I own is under mystic lock and key, where if any person besides myself attempts to open it their very soul will be obliterated.” 

“Hermit don’t worry… your tower has been moved up to the top of the priority list.”```

[glass flicker]

Bro just casually whipping out occult artifacts people would kill for

[glass flicker]

Yessss hahahah yessss

[warm sonnet]

"Yeah, no, they had like five-hundred copies of the real book of solomon at the library of alexandria. You should go there some time."

"What do you mean?!"

-# "Shit!"

[worldly dirge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1245526502901284935/1481044272584065036/file.png?ex=69b67eb7&is=69b52d37&hm=c53e580e14c065e3debcd98eac0d4012298b6d6ba219c078461ece120f4415d0&

[agile rune]

m&k ult does a lot more damage

[warm sonnet]

The Doorman personally breaks my legs whenever I exit his motel

Killing me instantly

[lavish grove]

“Reckless, brave, there’s a lot of words for it.” 

“Reckless, but how interested would you be in a proper thrill?” 

“Eh eh eh, before you do your whole tear down the government shtick… how much money do you got on you?” 

“A few bucks…” 

“…I’m listening.”```

[agile rune]

yes but that's not in the game

[warm sonnet]

Tear down the government*

[glass flicker]

My queen

[warm sonnet]

:)

[glass flicker]

I love her

[warm sonnet]

I fucking wish

[lavish grove]

Damn typo

[warm sonnet]

Typo the Animated Printing Press

SEND HIM

TO HEH

All his text is flipped because they haven't been presssed yet

[warm sonnet]

Bayo actively hiding the fact that he's got a shitload of gold on him from everyone except Calico

[glass flicker]

Vyper wouldn’t even do it for the gold tbh give that girl a cig and $50 and she will die for the cause

[lavish grove]

Look she asked on him, the gold is buried out in Albany

[warm sonnet]

Well, look like she'd die for the cause until it's time to vamoose

[glass flicker]

Exactly

[warm sonnet]

Viper snooping around but always missing the one abandoned mine with the gold in it

[agile rune]

she seems like she'd be really good currently with viscous

the extra slide distance from the goop

[warm sonnet]

Portal 2 team soon

[glass flicker]

I lowkey miss the sphere Patrons they need to bring them back in some place

[warm sonnet]

I liked the jars

We got the speed goop, now we need bounce goop and portal goop

[lavish grove]

New mid boss

[warm sonnet]

That'd be cool actually

Mid*

[glass flicker]

That would actually be awesome yea

[lavish grove]

It kept auto correcting to mod

Really annoying

[warm sonnet]

Your auto-correct has some real animosity towards moderators

[agile rune]

you called

[lavish grove]

It does it’s true

[agile rune]

this guy is just jealous of the chef

[glass flicker]

“Don’t know what you’re talking about mate.” 

“What manner of magick does she work to create something such as yourself?” 

“She’s a good woman with a kind heart. That’s all.” 

“Preposterous! A golem with a soul? With will of its own? Such a thing is unheard of!” 

“Mate, I don’t know whatever you’re on about, but don’t be bothering her alright?”```

[lavish grove]

Hermit kills bebop line: To think, someone surpassed Rabbi Loew

[glass flicker]

Real!

There’s so much stuff you could throw into dialogue like that

[lavish grove]

Also I do really like the idea of him just being so confused how Bebop was even made

[lavish grove]

Yah having a character who was literally there for every major myth and historical event kinda just means you can reference anything you want

[glass flicker]

Is Alister Crowley mentioned anywhere in game? Because Hermit definitely met him and got the creeps

[lavish grove]

I believe so yah

Just in passing

Bayo on kill for Billy: Always a tragedy to snuff out a young radical.

Bayo on kill for Billy: You had potential Billy, shame you wasted it.

Bayo on kill for Billy: You choose the wrong side goat.

“Yah, what about it?” 

“Well see, I’ve got this black tar like substance coming out from where my left arm used to be-“ 

“I’m gonna stop you now, I’ve got enough ancient magic to worry about already.”```

[jovial yacht]

I beat a haze in objective damage as a paige

6.4k vs 4.6k

[lavish grove]

…how?

[worldly dirge]

haze is pretty weak in lane

[lavish grove]

Yah but like, Haze late game deletes objectives

[jovial yacht]

I guess haze was very focused on getting kills so I was forced to take down the archmother while my team does all the fighting

i also built a bit of gun, active reload and express shot is pretty good together

[lavish grove]

Ah that does make more sense then

[jovial yacht]

I remember there was another gun item

[glass flicker]

Last night I was in a game with a haze that was 20k souls above everyone and had a 29 kill streak

[lavish grove]

Yah that’s a haze game

[jovial yacht]

Burst Fire, Express shot, Active reload on a paige

[lavish grove]

Holy shit

[jovial yacht]

It wasn't all gun obviously but yeah I forsaken most safe green items for more damage since our team was doing so well

[lavish grove]

“Why would I do that McGinnis?” 

“Just seem like the type is all, you’re constantly yelling at everyone else who works for a living.” 

“Well worry not, I have no reason to waste my breath on a woman destined for the gallows.”```

[vast sandal]

thought more about Virtuoso, decided to rename him Julian

[lavish grove]

Why?

[glass flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/dante-dante-devil-may-cry-devil-may-cry5-hello-hello-based-department-gif-26042779

[vast sandal]

"Virtuoso" is kinda lacking as a name, makes it feel less personal that he's a guy people in-universe knew before he went off the deep end and became obsessed with his work

[lavish grove]

Yah that makes sense then

[vast sandal]

also I came up with a kit that's less Shiv But Leaner

1 - Such Wonderful Colors
Gillian lobs a glob of cursed paint from his brush, arcing through the air before landing with an AoE splash that leaves lingering paint in the area, dealing Spirit damage and coating targets in Gillian's selected paint.
T1: Charges enabled, base 2
T2: +1 charge, increased AoE size
T3: Cooldown reduced by X% per hero hit

2 - Brushwork
Gillian charges forward with a flash of a swung brush, dealing Melee damage in a broad arc as a swathe of paint spreads before him, coating hit targets in Gillian's selected paint.
T1: Brushwork splatters paint onto the floor on use.
T2: On hit, Gillian recovers health.
T3: Brushwork can be recast for a brief time after use; using Palette of Horrors extends the recast time.

3 - Palette of Horrors
Passive - Gillian selects from 1 of 3 colors to paint with, causing his other skills to apply different effects when coating targets with paint or painting the floor. When activated, Gillian cycles paint colors in order of Red to Green to Blue.
Red of Rending - Painted targets bleed, dealing Spirit damage over time. Coated floor causes damage on contact.
Green of Gripping - Painted targets are slowed. Coated floor also slows on contact, arresting sliding momentum.
Blue of Banishing - Painted targets are knocked back and away. Coated floor repels other characters, launching them further if they jump and decreasing sliding friction.
T1 - While standing on painted floor, Gillian gains increased movement speed and increased regeneration.
T2 - Paint coating effects are heightened (Red DoT, Green slow, Blue knockback)
T3 - Using Such Wonderful Colors or Brushwork leaves Gillian's weapon dripping with paint for a period afterwards, allowing his regular bullets to apply paint buildup, triggering the coating effect if enough bullets hit.

4 - Still Life
Gillian designates an area for his masterpiece, warning nearby characters with a visible AoE where Still Life will hit. When Still Life finishes channeling, all targets within the area take Spirit damage and are Immobilized and Silenced for 3 seconds, so Gillian can finish painting them properly.
T1: Gillian's other skills immediately cooldown if Still Life hits 2 or more hero targets
T2: When Still Life completes, the entire area is coated in Gillian's active Palette of Horrors paint.
T3: Still Life now executes targets under X% of their max HP.

I wanted his 3 paints to be mystical / fake colors but clear, easily-readable and easily remembered names and colors would be better for playing with

[lavish grove]

Ooooo

[vast sandal]

wait shit this one has Gillian instead of Julian

Gillian feels too close to McGinnis