Deadlock

[errant sphinx]

it looks like he really has to take a shit to me

[agile rune]

I use they, since it's two ghosts, a married couple stuck together in death who are trying to get a divorce, functionally

I'm big on the lore because I like urban fantasy type stuff a lot

[rich grove]

sinclair's gun is also broken and can't shoot out of slide without a 1s delay

[vestal trench]

yeah i ilike using he and she as well cuz they switch whos fronting every death i honestly wish there was like a kit change in some capacity depending, could be interesting.

[agile rune]

oh that's rough

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah, 4 charges at 33 secs per charge. Without CD it's 45s/charge

I think his model is fitting but it's really rough-hewn IMO

Like even for "ghost-possesed mannequin in a suit" it doesn't really stand up to the visuals of the rest of the cast

[agile rune]

fair

[vestal trench]

i like the concept. but i think you can do simple in an offputting way, with more care yeah

cant wait tiill everyone has custom dashes melees and parries

[vivid nimbus]

Oh also in the list of non-balance stuff I've noticed, Seven's power surge has new VFX

[agile rune]

I've enjoyed drifter since change, bill feels much better than I expected him to but also plays a bit different

[finite grotto]

i think geist also has new gun sounds

but i might have conjured that

[lavish shale]

it's 33 per charge??

feels like they forgot to adjust the cooldown now that it's individual charges

[magic summit]

God Pocket ult is just a death sentence now

If you build for it you just neuter some characters ability to play the video game

[lavish grove]

Yah it’s a problem

Also chat, how do you build mo and krill?

[vivid nimbus]

It actually went up, from 40s base to 45s

[lavish shale]

weird

[frail jasper]

series of lost games ended, finished the play session on a high note (drifter gone out of control)

[autumn field]

i finally get Yamato

[vivid nimbus]

Oh I forgot to check if Yamato ult refreshes one charge or all charges of her 2

[autumn field]

like holy fuck her combos are nuts

[torn gulch]

They nerfed my silver sob sob sob

[autumn field]

I NEED to troll the absolute shit out of a silver or graves at some point

Full anti-movement doorman + refresher

Straight up just infinite doors

Welcome to the House of Leaves.

[torn gulch]

You fan just build disarming + cd

Blood Trib no longer having healing reduction is interestkng

16s cooldown, 4s duration, you can probably easily get it down to 12s

Backstabber/Stalker might be decent buy on her now

[autumn field]

Victor stocks time

[vast sandal]

I like new Paradox’s grenades being juiced as fuck but I also wish wall still did %max damage

Now wall is kind of a weird skill

[magic summit]

All charges

[vivid nimbus]

Wild

[torn gulch]

Yeah

Guh

I gotta rethink skill order now on Silver

dunno if 113142244323 is still that good. Might still rush T2 slam still but later down the line, idk

[somber creek]

Also

barriers do still counter pocket

[agile rune]

I'm driftin over here

[frail jasper]

Which "going fast" song do you imagine when using Eternal Night and running towards an unfortunate gank target at 24 m/s

[finite patrol]

blanck mass dead format

[gray otter]

paige

fun

[finite patrol]

im glad they gave her abilities fun names

thats important

[agile rune]

I just hear my heartbeat in my ears

[frail jasper]

What a good answer

I don't think drifter has a heartbeat though so that might be someone else's heart you're hearing

[agile rune]

the ult change takes it from a decent team fight ult to one that allows you to contribute as an off carry not just a support in those fights

[agile rune]

If I take it it is mine

idk if anyone has played with infernus but the king has returned

[lavish shale]

Do y'all think the egg is actually worth it?

[agile rune]

no

except on hard supports like rem

[errant sphinx]

who else is a hard support

[frail jasper]

I don't. Maybe someone who has more insight has a reason for it but to me it lives right there with Trophy Collector in the category of items nobody should seriously buy

[agile rune]

I was accounting for the future

[gray otter]

is spirit paige real

[lavish shale]

Yes

[gray otter]

ive been having good luck with bookwyrm-focused builds in street brawl

[finite patrol]

the egg is probably fine

[frail jasper]

Even on rem, I don't care for it cuz it takes +5:20 to pay for itself and all that gets you is +4 buffs

[lavish shale]

But also you should probably be the one buying counter items on Paige

[agile rune]

the egg takes like 5 minutes to pay itself back and 10% slower basically everything over those 5 minutes means it's almot certainly not paying itself off

[gray otter]

what are counter items exactly

[finite patrol]

trophy collector is a fucking 3200

[gray otter]

stuff like slowing hex, vortex web, etc?

[lavish shale]

Stuff like Slowing Hex, Knockdown

[agile rune]

I do not believe in items that do not have an immediate impact

[finite patrol]

knockdown disarm

[frail jasper]

Slowing hex, knockdown, disarming hex, curse, etc

[gray otter]

gotcha yeah

i do take those when they show up

bc they are Good

[lavish shale]

You do probably want some spirit too though

Her 1 and 3 do pretty good damage too

[frail jasper]

IF ANYTHING i would get cult sacrifice, but that's not even medium priority for me as rem

[gray otter]

but like i wont pass up extra charges on 1 or escalating exposure or smth

yeah

[frail jasper]

And mostly because I already buy monster rounds on rem for lane

[gray otter]

raw spirit items also feel great bc they amp both damage and shield

and of course her ult is nuts so lightning scroll and refresher both feel great

[agile rune]

but yeah I think Rem, if anyone, can take the eggs because you're likely rolling in souls as rem and cutting your damage doesn't really effect the efficiency of your farm too much

[lavish shale]

Knockdown is also good on Paige anyway, to combo into 3

[gray otter]

yeah

ive found vortex web to be even better for that tho

holy SHIT vortex web is good

[lavish shale]

Pretty nice yeah

And you can unit target it now too

[agile rune]

one change that I think is kinda stealth that's helped drifter is backstab changing to stalker

not needing to get behind to proc is big

[frail jasper]

Yeah it's more just "jump them" and hey look you can ult and run into someone's face

[agile rune]

oh even in lane and the midgame, when you're creeping around

also siphon bullets is a must buy in any game where a tank is running the show now

[frail jasper]

%steal is huge

[agile rune]

yeah

have you seen how long afterburn lasts now for infernus?

he be cooking

[frail jasper]

Up to 6 seconds at t3 not counting duration items

Laned against infernus/venator earlier and it was awful to deal with

[lavish shale]

Definitely makes it a lot easier to use

[agile rune]

I actually love laning with fern as drifter cause he keeps the enemy pinned nicely

which means I can go on an adventure

[somber creek]

I do wish there was a way to give your allies debuff resist

[vivid nimbus]

I played Fern and yeah he feels a lot stronger

[errant sphinx]

Divine barrier sorta right

[vivid nimbus]

Afterburn T3 is crazy, Flame Dash giving CD at T1 is real nice, and then there's that upgraded ult radius

[somber creek]

Kinda sorta but I mean aura wise

[vivid nimbus]

Debuff resist aura would be cracked

[frail jasper]

Give me more aura items so I can buy them on rem and make fights insufferable while I sit in Tag Along

[agile rune]

ult covers full double sinners now iirc

[vivid nimbus]

It's bigger than that

[agile rune]

afk gaming

[vivid nimbus]

12m base, 22m at T3, and that's before +range

[agile rune]

distances are funky

like 8m is a lot closer than you think it is

[torn gulch]

Stalker weighted bullets on silver

Movement speed is a fake stat anyway

[frail jasper]

Oh yeah slowing bullets building into weighted bullets is sick af

Fat weapon damage, debuff resist, slow buildup, at the cost of some stamina regen

[lavish shale]

Bit sad it doesn't give spirit resist anymore, but the slow does make up for some of that

[tidal elm]

How bad is wolf form without innate res? Do we need to build tank items early now to survive engages?

[torn gulch]

Ya'll don't build battle vest second item?

[tidal elm]

on Silver? nah, only if i'm in hell

close quarters, into opening rounds into point back
we blow a hole trough concrete

[agile rune]

the best kind of survival is killing the enemy

[tidal elm]

no enemy means there's nothing that I need to survive to

[agile rune]

everything is a dps cheque and buddy? my credit is good

[agile void]

https://youtu.be/8q77lPJm6q0

https://youtu.be/cGG0LLYHw8s

https://youtu.be/iXUzrpNpT3U

it says a lot when the patch notes covering video go over fucking 30 minutes

[agile rune]

oh yeah no I watched a 30 minute highlights video that only hit like 3 characters and partially

[agile void]

now im curious

what was the longest patch notes in dotas history?

like word count wise

[agile rune]

this is definitely deadlock's first major patch

[viral onyx]

Had my first game today

Lotta fun, I have no idea what I'm doing, lol

[agile rune]

so true

who'd you play, venator?

[viral onyx]

Nah, hadda pick 3

Wound up playing the sniper with the crow?

[agile rune]

ye you pick 3, you got vindicta

[viral onyx]

That was her name

Simple enough kit

Not so simple, Mr. Freeze

[agile rune]

picked a good time to start playing, new big patch dropped yesterday

[viral onyx]

Oh?

[agile rune]

yeah, very big

[viral onyx]

What doing?

[agile rune]

balance changes for almost every hero and a bunch of items

[viral onyx]

Ah, yup, cool

I did Street Brael

Got 1+9 for 7

How does one stop from getting ganked if you freeze in 0.1 s

[agile rune]

I'm not much of a street brawl or vindicta guy so I cannot give too much advice there

[viral onyx]

Nodnod

I figured SB was a good playground?

[agile rune]

yeah it's not bad, I'd also just try a bot game of the normal game mode

[viral onyx]

Ohhhh, right, ye

Only real question I have so far, beyond a general "what even are items"

Is where does one see one's stat scaling?

And how that applies to say your gun

[final osprey]

If it is available, it'll be finable by holding tab and hovering over the little orange bar in the corner.

Otherwise you just have to look at the wiki

I know ability scaling is directly shown when you hover over the ability

[viral onyx]

Mhm,mhm

[agile void]

MIRAGE CAN NOW TELEPORT ANYWHERE?!

[astral lava]

You can also see it in hero select by clicking the very small star icon that appears under a hero in hero select. And of course abilities just have it written down plainly

[winged terrace]

Welcome back natures prophet

[agile rune]

ye, also his other abilities got some good buffs, I think he's gonna be a problem

[echo viper]

Could be worse, could be Tinker.

[agile rune]

tailor soldier spy

[echo viper]

No that's Team Fortress 2

[agile rune]

tinker tailor soldier spy is a movie

anyway, I think the big mirage changes are actually dust devil and djinn's mark

[echo viper]

Oh I know

I was doing a silly

[agile rune]

you? never

[agile rune]

being able to dust devil twice is great for initiating and escaping

and djinn's mark just does much more damage

[finite grotto]

Infernus feels so nice on this patch 😌

[agile rune]

he's the big winner imo

the extended afterburn timer is legit

also real annoying

[stray arch]

Burned all the way from guardian to walker just to die to it

[agile rune]

I love having infernus or wraith as a lane partner are drifter or billy atm, they cover me getting in so well

[glass flicker]

They should put spy tf2 in the game

Just spy as is

[short quiver]

Have there been any new voice lines?

[torn gulch]

Doubt so, but maybe since they shipped vfs changes

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1rn36w5/comment/o94lnov/

[warm sonnet]

Welcome to the Baroness, please excuse the mess
Have you tried our open bar, the mimosas are bottomless

[maiden ledge]

have a question: is it worth it to try ranked deadlock?

[agile void]

the normal game IS ranked

[agile void]

the only unranked game mode is street brawl and customs

[maiden ledge]

i do play a lot of street brawl

[agile rune]

aiui the matchmaking system is not great yet but like, if you've been playing the normal gamemode, you've experienced ranked

now if you're asking is it worth it to try and get to high ranks? that's up to how much time you wanna dedicate and whether that sort of thing lights up your dopamine

[maiden ledge]

i usually play casually 🙂‍↕️ 🙂‍↕️ though i do like learning technical knowledge

[agile rune]

really there's not much difference between trying to climb the ranks and playing to win in casual besides rank climbing needing more games

[maiden ledge]

oh okay, business as usual then

[agile rune]

note: I am not particularly good at deadlock by my own measurement and don't actually track my rank so my feedback may not be good

[maiden ledge]

i havent been playing the normal mode with my free time generally

though i am warming up to it

[agile rune]

I on the other hand don't really play street brawl, just not my cup of tea

[maiden ledge]

i like the shorter matches

[warm sonnet]

theoretically I play street brawl to have just a few quick matches

[merry verge]

Oh

Oh I misunderstood the Doorman change

[warm sonnet]

functionally I play more than I would in normal lockdead

[merry verge]

If they fail to check out the cooldown is ten seconds

Not -10 to base

[agile rune]

yep

[warm sonnet]

Thought the same at first

silly

[glass flicker]

I definitely play street brawl much much more

I just kind of prefer it

I like the teamfight focus and the quick turnaround time

[terse aspen]

I probably should play streetbrawl more, to work on teamfighting and learning what items do

I've mostly been playing normal mode and working on farming efficiently and learning the map

[glass flicker]

The regular mode is fine I just feel like I’m always lagging behind on soul economy

[terse aspen]

I usually feel like I'm ahead on soul economy, but not as skilled in the actual fights

Honestly, avoiding the enemy players long enough to destroy the wave they're pushing with seems to go a long way towards getting more souls

[merry verge]

I'm kind of surprised Yam got non-nerf adjustments, is she just kind of a pubstomper

Shorter Power Slash though v-v

Also wugh not sure how to get movespeed back on Silver

Wolf feels super weird without the 2m

[lavish grove]

Are there any substantial ability cooldown items that aren’t spirit?

Trying to work with new silver

[merry verge]

Not to my knowledge

And yeah she's feeling awkward a little

Also what do you mean they gave Vindicta's bonus souls to Calico

Completely unwarranted

[lavish grove]

Hmm, rn I feel like for silver I’m gonna have to cut a lot of the stuff I liked on her for more survivability

I normally built point blank, hollow point, express shot, hunters aura and berserker

I think berserker is gonna have to be cut

[merry verge]

I feel weird about hollow point

Under 65% hp often with a comeback ult

[lavish grove]

Oh I adore it

If I get that+Express shot 1 bullet into 3 meat shots means I get instant Lycan form

It’s all for the extremely important breakpoint of near instant Lycan curse

[finite grotto]

But you max it first anyway and it's longer at T3 and you get the bullet resist base

2 proccing spiritsnatch as well is soo good

[lavish grove]

I don’t play Yamato, you think lifestrike would be good on her now?

[torn gulch]

Do you mean the secret sweaty matchmaking setting

[maiden ledge]

gwuh?

[lavish grove]

I wanna learn mo and krill this match

Just to use the tunnels

[tidal elm]

Wraith is a menace now
Drifters feel incredible to play

I've only noticed
Did they take away the priority token?

[vernal parcel]

so i went and checked to see how far doormans door can go with like full spirit , and from what i can see its literally from one walker to another

look at the mini map

but this is like , putting literally everything you have onto spirit so i dont know how far a mix build could get you

[merry verge]

Kind of feels like Drifter became Gun Only, or at least just less inclined to hybridize

[vivid nimbus]

The new heroes are no longer new new. Also they’re bannable now

[merry verge]

+10m sprint feels ridiculous, he's hungry he's zooming, he's driftin

[agile void]

he should be

he is a fucking assasin

[tidal elm]

Ooh right. Ty ty

[lavish grove]

Wait I thought the priority token could work on anyone though?

I used it on Victor all the time

[vast sandal]

Is prio token not gone

[lavish grove]

I hope not

I liked having it a lot

[merry verge]

Doorman Bell Duration; Is This The Techies of Dota

[finite grotto]

Not really no i think

And you do go spirit lifesteal and reverb already

[lavish grove]

ah ok

[vivid nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-2-x78d5pA

This is amazing

[agile void]

people are already using the animation to be horny

the lash tm will proceed to backshot the cast

[astral lava]

i think maybe they shouldnt have let crushing fists actually work on abilities

[warm sonnet]

Pushing Pists

[vivid nimbus]

You got hit 9 times?

[astral lava]

only 5 idk why it says 9. but also truly oine after naother

like this guy is setting up punches that just immediately knock you in to another punch lol he's cracked

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1rne28h/the_new_doorman_in_street_brawl/

[vivid nimbus]

Ahhh. Yeah you gotta parry at least some of them, and I take issue with parried punches still applying knockback

[astral lava]

surely this must be a bug lol. i guess maybe i was actually parrying some then

? okay surely this display is bugged

[vivid nimbus]

Last death I think is all the damage since you were last at full health, which can sometimes be unhelpful because it's tallying 2 or 5 minutes worth or w/e

[astral lava]

jesus lol

it says last 30 seconds when you click! volvo pls

spot the viscous

[vivid nimbus]

Oh if you click it swaps to 30 secs, and you can change that 30 to other timespans

There's a little dropdown menu

[lavish grove]

God Chatroom, playing the game right now is miserable for me

I’m constantly having connection issues

Because my wifi keeps like, disconnecting in and out

It’ll work fine for a time, then stop working for a few seconds and then start working again

I’m going back to my apartment where this isn’t an issue tomorrow but does anyone have a way to fix this?

[warm sonnet]

It might be that the wifi-frequency is being overcrowded?

Iunno, has this happened before?

[lavish grove]

It’s only happened since I got home this week

I don’t remember this ever being an issue the rest of the time I was here

[gray otter]

been working on a deadlock OC every now and then for a bit, shes a deergirl florist (who's participating in the ritual because her florist business is also part of a money laundering operation she was forced into because she owes Wraith money)

im pretty happy with her kit so far but have no idea what to do for her ult, my initial idea was to have it stun enemies in the range of her flowers but i kinda dont want all her abilities to interact with her flowers

[astral lava]

truly hate using venator grenade. inconsistent ass ability

[gray otter]

the question marks are basically just me not having any clue what numbers are appropriate

[astral lava]

what is the moba player thought process behind "oh i didnt mean to queue up, somehow, so im gonna stick around and feed a little cuz i dont wanna leave or ill get banned"

this happens in every dang game

(asi n every video game not every deadlock match)

[warm sonnet]

I could see a Treant Protector ult, roots enemies in range, if an enemy is airborne, it pulls them down and also stuns them briefly

[final osprey]

I experienced this in a really laggy game so I couldnt even parry

[merry verge]

Doorman Ult Victor, he dies to the followup, revives, Ult is now back off Cooldown, do it again

people are going to want to kill doorman with hammers

[terse aspen]

Presumably while still shipping him with Drifter

[merry verge]

It's such an astoundingly popular ship

Just like McHanzo came outta nowhere, though this has like some lines in the ult i guess

[terse aspen]

Actually there are probably people who also want to kill Drifter with hammers, so I guess that works

[astral lava]

doorman and drifter are freaks is the real reason they can fit

also my god we won this 5v6

them now giving everyone an accolade leads to funny stuff

[merry verge]

hard carried

[gray otter]

what kind of range?

[vivid nimbus]

New proposal for Doorman ult. If you fail the jumping puzzle (and live) it just does some damage, sends you back to the start, and resets the clock. Only if you die or escape do you get to leave

[gray otter]

big line, big circle, etc

[warm sonnet]

That's a vibes thing imo

Treant Protector is a big dude who smashes you with hammers, so he likes being up close, which is why it's in an AoE around him

[gray otter]

ahh i see

[warm sonnet]

I can see Fawn throwing a bud that grows until vines burst out to entwine everyone

[gray otter]

yeah

[somber creek]

I do feel like I am not a fan of the -stam on doorman ult

[gray otter]

i think maybe the throw range is kinda short, so she wants to get in close

bc she very much has the tools to do so, shes Very Fast

also i think im replacing the extra walk/dash speed on lv3 of Prance with becoming unstoppable during the leap

[warm sonnet]

You generally don't want a mechanic to be parasitic, as in entirely dependent on another, even if the flavor power is strong, so you're on the right track by not making Best Buds your only ability. I would look at Mina or Victor for mechanical synergies.

Mina's 3 is the core of her damage, but it doesn't prevent you from using the other abilities if it is on cooldown. Triggering it gives you more bats for the ult. Both her ult and 1 can trigger the 3, making it a central damage burst but incentivizes you to pull back if you don't have confirm potential.

Victor's 1 is a very strong burst and eventual sustain tool, but it requires you to take damage. Thankfully, his 2 and 3 does self-damage, so he's not dependent on enemies to allow its use. Likewise, his 2 heals more at low health, meaning you can be less reserved with it than otherwise. And his ulti just more ways to stay in a fight to take more damage to deal more damage.

[gray otter]

yeah

[low sage]

https://bsky.app/profile/higadoyrinon.art/post/3mgiiuo6xvk2a

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Been playing Doorman a lot
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[somber creek]

Pocket is really fun

[gray otter]

so then i imagine having abilities that do extra things if you have flowers active is fine as long as they also do things without the flowers

[lavish shale]

I had a game recently where a Doorman kept ulting me every time they see me
we still won anyway, but god was it annoying

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-sonic-adventure-2-back-back-in-the-building-eggman-gif-17578619098878872054

can't be doing this to my parkour deficient ass 😔

[magic summit]

People already built that a lot on her before, so probably better now that melee is more encouraged on her

People built it more before the scaling buff on Power Slash and everyone just went power slash max build, but her sustain build of maxing Crimson with radiant regen and lifestrike is probably gonna get mileage

[finite grotto]

oh i have never tried out that variant of her

[magic summit]

Just an endless fighting build

[vivid nimbus]

Giving your parkour deficient ass some practice time

[magic summit]

I made a melee Yamato build focus before that literally everything about the way I played it got buffed so I need to do it again

[finite grotto]

hmhm

I should try out that version of her is well

spirit snatch def now a prio tho also on her pslash build

[quiet sapphire]

who here remembers deadlock classic

[finite grotto]

after maxing pslash i am def going t2 grapple tho on yam

that extra range and the spirit is sooo nice

[candid abyss]

I give up on Mirage this character is just a worse Mina LMAO

[lavish grove]

Chat, anyone’s used golden goose egg in game yet?

Rn it seems kinda weak

[finite grotto]

our paige be hoarding it atm lol

[astral lava]

they do different thigns and also i think his 1 is bugged rn

[final osprey]

Mirage is very good, he just only really comes online very late game.

[astral lava]

split pusher/initiator guy is very different from the run in-run out assassin

i think if victor gets 1 kill the game should just put healbane in everyone's quickbuy for them

[candid abyss]

I'm not a support player so nah

dont seem great tho

I feel like save for guardian ward is still the play on most supports

[lavish grove]

Also testing it more on silver

I definitely think stalker is replacing opening rounds as my tier 2 gun item of choice for silver

It’s less burst damage but the movement speed, seeing through walls and damage being unconditional besides being close to the enemy makes it better imo

[somber creek]

I dont think egg is for supports specifically

Its more for people who want to roam early or who dont need items to function early

Like bebop and mo and krill

[lavish grove]

What Im currently thinking for like, core silver items

The 2 flex flots for matchup specific stuff

and spellbreaker just there as a stand in for some kinda anti spellcaster item

unstoppable also works in its slot

Thinking about it more its more like this

Im aiming for these every game, the 3 slots being flexable

[autumn field]

Funniest person to 1v1 has to be silver

If you manage your stamina you can just bounce on zipline until they give up and leave

[somber creek]

The nefarious Phantom Strike:

[lavish grove]

Man, running a deadlock tabletop investigating Fairfax would be cool

[frail jasper]

The best case for goose egg I can come up with is someone who is gonna be roaming a lot and has one "key item" they want to get as a tempo spike. Like "If I get this early I can go on a killing spree and just win the game". But not all heroes are "tempo heroes" so it doesn't make sense for everyone to get it.

At least in the case of rem, the example I've seen is getting egg early so you can later cash it in to buy Cursed Relic, because curse is a giant middle finger to the enemy carries

[open nova]

what game would be best for deadlock....

especially if you are doing detective stuff....

ok lowkey hear me out hear me out

Sentnel Comics RPG might work

[terse aspen]

Just played a 55 minute game as my first game on the new patch

[candid abyss]

odd

[finite grotto]

unlimited cards work

[vivid nimbus]

Weirder than the bug I saw with her cards

Which was just that jokers will try to bounce to the hideout orb but can't hit it, so they get stuck on it and freak out

[spring tundra]

New wraith is so fuck yall

Fun

Even

[frail jasper]

new wraith is so "fuck y'all" indeed, throws six jokers at everyone

[magic summit]

I love Egg

Yoshi put an item in the game that baits people into losing

[rich grove]

🥚

HE DID THAT IT WAS CALLED TROPHY COLLECTOR

[frail jasper]

At least the egg isn't 3200 souls for maybe value. It's only 800 souls for a sunk cost fallacy :v

[magic summit]

Trophy collector doesnt debuff you though. Its expensive but you still operate normally

[finite grotto]

I fucking love how goofy yamatos hook

[magic summit]

10% off your damage is you better be Rem doing box runs and gambling or you are just not earning cash

Rem is the main justification I could see for it

[rich grove]

I kind of assumed it would work like witch doctor's starting item

[frail jasper]

really though, egg is like trophy collector but with less ragebaiting to your team. I can imagine it being used as a cash spike to get curse or something fast, but most heroes aren't so spike-based

[rich grove]

not just like

bad trophy collector

[vast sandal]

Really enjoying Calico

[rich grove]

how is Calico's targeting on her 2 now

[vast sandal]

Good

[rich grove]

I cannot play that character because I just get ragebaited by that fucking hitbox

[vast sandal]

Jump in, CLONK, gloom bombs, leave

They die

[magic summit]

Crucially WDs Gri Gri starter doesnt harm him to keep it and makes trading a death for a kill always worth in witch doctors favor

[lavish shale]

does it just stop you early if you go through a hero mid dash?

[magic summit]

Yes

[rich grove]

🙏

[finite grotto]

yeeehawww

[lavish shale]

maybe I should try Calico again

[finite grotto]

venator was malding in chat after this

[lavish shale]

I just can't hit her bombs

and I feel that's a lot of her damage

[rich grove]

well bombs are always a little rng

[finite grotto]

calico feels so really nice ye

[rich grove]

they had so much scatter that it was kind of rng whether you did 80 damage or 200 unless you were actually sniffing them

[finite grotto]

if you look on the ground during 2 you dont even need to travel anymore or jump before

[rich grove]

oh thank fucking GOD dude

[lavish shale]

oh interestin

[rich grove]

😭

[lavish shale]

so you can just 2 in place?

[rich grove]

genuinely one of the stupidest hacks you had to do to play the character

[finite grotto]

ye!

[magic summit]

My friend is a calico main and she legitimately can't tell me how she consistently manages to land all gloom bombs from like 20 meters away

Its absurd

[rich grove]

you just have the brain illness that makes you good at calico

[finite grotto]

looking down during 2 cast works now

[rich grove]

that's the only explanation I can think of

like you just receive a divine revelation required to play the character

[magic summit]

Like I'll watch her and she perfectly wiggles the camera to match the bomb spread

[rich grove]

the same thing happens on Holliday

doing AK recoil control on gloom bombs is insane 😭

[lavish shale]

might also try Backstabber/Stalker on Calico again
now that I don't have to hit from behind

[finite grotto]

stalker seems so nice now

i should get it on billy

[magic summit]

She's the same one that makes those deadlock backstory comics too so there is definitely something going on in her brain

[autumn field]

Wait is Golden Egg bad???

[rich grove]

...

[autumn field]

I’m confused

[finite grotto]

I need to try viscous now aswell cause punch build looks hella fun

[somber creek]

Its situational

[magic summit]

Please buy the egg

Buy the egg first item in lane you will surely achieve victory

[rich grove]

I think the situation is literally just Rem

I genuinely cannot think of a single other character for whom this item is not just tossing

[somber creek]

I think MnK Bebop and Drifter can all justify egg too

[magic summit]

How drifter

[autumn field]

It’s only 800 tho

[somber creek]

Drifter ganks early

[rich grove]

yeah but -10% is

bad

[autumn field]

Oh wait yeah

10%…

[magic summit]

Drifters only thing is doing damage though

[rich grove]

what do you mean 'oh wait' 😭

[somber creek]

Oh wait

I didnt know it had a damage penalty

[magic summit]

My god

[autumn field]

I forgot that existed

[somber creek]

Then yeah MnK

[finite grotto]

new vortex web is so scary

[rich grove]

okay yeah that is

important context to have for the discussion

[somber creek]

Patch notes were like a novel shush

[rich grove]

it's crazy that it's legitimately more of a damage penalty to run a 0 stat item that gives you nothing except for 800 spirit invest than it is to run curse

[autumn field]

I deadass haven’t read like 90% of patch

[somber creek]

But yeah I still think characters who can just rely on hard cc can get it

[magic summit]

Curse was increased to 10% too

So they're the same

[autumn field]

Aside from playing marton only now

It’s also just a fucking novel of patch

I only looked at Yama buffs because I wanted to Yama

She feels amazing rn

[magic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/read-gif-25879491

[finite grotto]

deathy has a good update vid

[autumn field]

Well it’s not entirely a buff

But the changes just feel really good based on my first Yamato match in a while

[finite grotto]

I would argue that it is just basically a straight buff to both builds

[somber creek]

Her hook now just having heat seeking properties is just a straight buff

[finite grotto]

tbf it did already have that before

it is prob just more noticeable with the higher range

[rich grove]

yeah it being point target has always been kind of stupid

[finite grotto]

but shit like this also happened before the patch

[rich grove]

it legitimately doesnt' give a fuick

[finite grotto]

ya

[rich grove]

you are GETTING from point a to b

[finite grotto]

I do wonder if at some point they are just gonna make it a teleport since that would also prob fix the insano movement buff they gave her this patch with the multiple charges and make it visually way less disorienting

[finite patrol]

didnt they change curse to 10% this very patch

ah sorry this was said

[rich grove]

i mean it was 9 to 10% before so not exactly a tremendous difference but still

yowch

[finite patrol]

yoshi: PLEASE stop buying curse on carries i BEG you

[rich grove]

haze isnt a carry 🥹

[finite grotto]

sleepdagger into focus lense into curse

alsoo wtf viktor revive is now the size of a hydrogen bomb

with like the longest stun in the game attached to it

we fought in the reju pit and vik died and there was nowhere to escape 😭

[finite patrol]

yoshi just wants you to stop buying anything on haze

like wtf was that change

sorry spirit lovers Haze does GUN damage

[finite grotto]

Infernus tho 👀

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah it's literally the longest non-channeled stun, only MnK and Dynamo ults are longer

I think it obeys LOS so you can hide behind cover

[rich grove]

the change that made me the most sad was changing ap5 smoke from eshift to vic jumpstart

whyyyyy 😭

[finite patrol]

I guess people weren't utilizing the dodge?

[rich grove]

:tears:

[finite patrol]

but yeah it does feel weird and less satisfying

[rich grove]

i liked having charged counterspell

[finite patrol]

honestly it is probably better

[rich grove]

sidegrade but way more straightforwardly strong i think

[finite patrol]

yeah definitely easier to use

[vivid nimbus]

Being able to go "fuck yo disarm, fuck yo EE, fuck yo healbane" is probably pretty good

[finite grotto]

that does remind me of dynamo being able to purge now like what+

every 10 seconds or even lower?

[vivid nimbus]

Every 10 seconds at T3 unmodified, yeah. But Dynamo absolutely takes transcendent CD too

[finite patrol]

yeah quantum entanglement t5 is extremely strong

[rich grove]

I mean the healbane largely doesn't matter but disarm/curse is pretty crazy, in theory you could also parry those but not having the timing restriction is

sadly more practical

just boring

[vivid nimbus]

It won't work for silence/curse AIUI but yeah

[rich grove]

oh duh

[vivid nimbus]

Though if combined with also buying counterspell item it probably goes really hard

[autumn field]

Though, healbane having 0CD does make it super spammable

[rich grove]

yeah thats why it just doesnt matter if you purge it

chances are good they just reapply it

de-spirit burning is really impactful

[frail jasper]

Torment Pulse + Healbane, NONE OF YOU get to heal

[rich grove]

but de-crippling headshot is generally not

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah spirit burn is a better example

Or bebop bombs

[autumn field]

It’s funny how healbane is so strong vs any healing

Its a pretty solid green spike item imo

[finite grotto]

Healing Vs healing reduction balance problem is a moba classic

[autumn field]

It’s interesting how instead of nerfing Celeste they made like half the roster juiced instead lmao

Based on what I heard

[merry verge]

I'll admit T0 Silver Ult does feel sort of 'kite me to death' ish

[vivid nimbus]

Make that leap and tail whip count

[frail jasper]

buff to slowing hex is nice

woe, fixed to +20% gravity force

[finite grotto]

The vortex buff is also so nice

Can do some fucked up things

[rich grove]

that item did not need buffs

[finite grotto]

ye

i gotta put viscous in my rotation

they are so fun

even tho i dont really know yet how to effectively use their ult

[astral lava]

tbh its most useful for escapes but sometimes you just gotta stun someone

[spring tundra]

Me being told how Vindicta’s 4 actually works (compared to my dumbass) and it’s made her so much more fun but also

I’ve learned that feeding characters awaken a hunger in me

[frail jasper]

Her 4 having a grace period makes it much easier to get stacks with.

[finite grotto]

wait viscous gun has a secondary fire<????

[warm sonnet]

Goo

[agile rune]

they also did nerf celeste

makes sense to me though that the newest added heroes are the power level they want the game to be at

[autumn field]

Oh yeah what I mean is like, instead of a significant nerf as a whole

I expected something closer to Shiv getting shredded

[agile rune]

they took shiv out behind the shed

[autumn field]

Hidden king if he was highkey evil instead:

[warm sonnet]

Current Shiv would not stand a chance against the mongol hordes

[agile rune]

current shiv is not the monster they are worried about

[quiet sapphire]

they shiv ulted my man

2 stamina oughhh

[vast sandal]

okay played a bunch more Calico

this is what I wanted out of Drifter I think

I still like Drifter but Calico is just so devious at getting burst damage and then swoocing out

[agile rune]

have you tried drifter since the patch?

[vast sandal]

yes

new Drifter is also awesome

[agile rune]

drifter can't get out, if that's part of the ideal he definitely lacks that

[vast sandal]

yeah Drifter is hard committed once he starts a fight

Calico is like

lol

lmao even

[agile rune]

the only way out with drifter is through

[vast sandal]

See you uncultured morons later, I'm taking my bounty money and leaving

[agile rune]

and buddy? I see light at the end of the tunnel

[vast sandal]

it's so funny to just become a Random Calico Event in teamfights

[frail jasper]

drifter on his stride is a fun experience

[vast sandal]

where you just circle around looking for someone who's trying to back up a little and go 2 1 DIE and then vanish

[rich grove]

ohhhhh im driftin ohhhhhhhh

[quiet sapphire]

i can't see anything... it's like there's some sort of... Eternal Darkness...

[rich grove]

ohhhhhhh im da drifter

[vast sandal]

there was this fucking Doorman in the last game I played

and we were losing hard and the doorman was mad fucking fed

[quiet sapphire]

im highkey evil

[vast sandal]

and I was like "alright got it", bought Focus Lens

[rich grove]

ORCHID MALEVOLENCE

[vast sandal]

and started coming out of nowhere to annihilate Doorman in particular then exfil

we still lost crazy hard and our Drifter was super mad in chat about how he was doing better than all of us (1/12/5 btw)

[quiet sapphire]

listen and learn

the highest kda player on the team is talking

[rich grove]

hangin on the edge of tomorrow

[vast sandal]

he wasn't though

[agile rune]

not only is drifter better now but infernus and wraith were buffed in ways that make an excellent lane pairing

[quiet sapphire]

listen and learn

[vast sandal]

he was worst kda AND mad in chat AND talking shit

[quiet sapphire]

the lowest kda player on the team is talking

[vast sandal]

like I think it's kinda silly to go "kda = skill" when you're liable to see Paradox

well

actually no Paradox deletes people now

you're liable to see supports who have wack KDAs who have been contributing like fucking crazy tho

[agile rune]

sometimes you get very little kills but steal a lot of farm and that's enough contribution

[vast sandal]

but Drifter worst kda going "my team needs a course in deadlockology these kids suck" in all chat is wild

[agile rune]

they keep the enemy pinned and peeking less, so you can go on an adventure to flank

[quiet sapphire]

sometimes you get banished to yellow lane on the altar of your team's macro and nobody comes to relieve you of your solemn duty

[frail jasper]

KDA never tells you the full story, that's why it's never a good idea to use it as basis for calling people out (positively or negatively)

[quiet sapphire]

the last walker will stand.

[agile rune]

carry off carry lane is a beautiful thing

[vast sandal]

Oh also

Laning against Pocket as Calico is so funny

Canon matchup; I’m going to punch this enby’s head off their chest

[warm sonnet]

If she had been using her hands, Pocket would've been was/were by now

[finite grotto]

it is so nice you can 2 on the spot now as catico

[vivid nimbus]

https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/03-06-2026-update.114328/#post-217955

More changes!

Goose egg buffs, Paradox gets silence back, some other stuff

[vast sandal]

YES

HAHAHA YES

[stray arch]

Some small silver buffs too are nice

[agile rune]

Goose egg buff doesn't change the fundamental issue with it

doorman late checkout is now 13 seconds not 10

wait why they nerfing viscous

what are they scared of

[vivid nimbus]

Early prognosis of Viscous is being very good, and he did not get hit much

Surprised Calico didn't get any nerfs too b/c people were putting her and Wraith on the same level

[agile rune]

I'm gonna be so real with you, I barely know what viscuous is supposed to be doing

[autumn field]

90 souls per minute...

i wonder how many souls per minute before it becomes a thing everyone that isnt a hard support thinks about picking it

[agile rune]

-10% is a lot of damage penalty

for what, some trophies?

[merry verge]

13 seconds on Doorman Ult, starving, hopeless, suffering (it's fine it's still wild)

[autumn field]

Yeah it’s a lot of damage but also, just gotta wonder

[merry verge]

Also yesss, be banished Torment Pulse

[frail jasper]

the peak viscous gameplay is doing goovement tech that makes everyone say "viscous, what the fuck was that"

[finite grotto]

viscous 3 do be also like one of the most fun abilities in the game

[merry verge]

it's so gooey looking now

[finite grotto]

yeee

I kinda would love it looking more like a fist

[vivid nimbus]

Viscous abilities are all very disruptive to the enemy team in some way

[frail jasper]

oh and now that we don't need T3 ball to use abilities/items, you can get up to so much trouble

[finite grotto]

rolling scorn driveby

[frail jasper]

dribbling on people is back on the menu

[finite grotto]

and viscous 3 also now does like hella damage now again if build for it right?

+and its so huge

it being able to self proc point blank is

[frail jasper]

puddle punch works with conditional damage like Point Blank (at any range!) so the punches are FAT DAMAGE

[agile rune]

viscuous is a support is about all I understand

[rich grove]

ehhhh

kindaaaa

gun viscous was just beating your ass

[frail jasper]

Support viscous can be a lot of fun too because cube is ridiculous and punch is ridiculous, but he's not definitively a support like how Rem and Paige are support-coded

[finite grotto]

oh question on the side! Do you use viscous alt fire mainly for like finishing off people and like farming?

[rich grove]

i use it for corny resto shot procs in lane and literally fucking never outside of lane

it is god awful past 15 minutes

[finite grotto]

hmhm

it is kinda nice to do as your last bullet in the mag i guess!

[rich grove]

it was exclusively good in pvp when express shot did full damage and it has basically no use now that the interaction was nerfed

[finite grotto]

hmhm

[frail jasper]

viscous altfire is mostly relegated to just poking around corners in lane these days, it used to be THE META with using express shot + resist shreds to do the Skinner Combo for massive burst damage

[terse aspen]

I'm in a predicament. I want to play Ivy, but there are only two top daily builds that have been updated for the new patch for her. One is a self-described "troll build", and the other is intended to roam and gank during the laning phase because "the enemy team usually can't take a guardian during the first 5 minutes", and I do not know how to do that effectively.

So I guess I should probably play other characters until the buildcrafters have gotten used to the update and put out some builds for simple enough game plans for me to use

[finite grotto]

I guess even as like the last bullet in your mag it is not that great since its so slow ? unless you are rather close

[rich grove]

it has hardcapped range

in addition to the slow

don't get me wrong, it is supremely annoying in lane especially when he has lane shoved

but at some point it just becomes kind of a toss to use it

[finite grotto]

oh i didnt know it had a harcapped range

[rich grove]

it will be strictly worse than m1ing for gunscous and then for spiritscous why would you ever use your gun anyway

[finite grotto]

hmhm

I am trying viscous out atm and i am def prefering the punch build

since it also does have quite decent spirit with stuff like greater expansion and spirit snatch etc

it feels very noice

[frail jasper]

yeah the altfire is a fixed range, and also a small AOE, so with practice you can use this to catch people when they try to hide behind signs and stuff

[finite grotto]

hmhm

[somber creek]

SILVER BUFFS

https://tenor.com/view/silver-deadlock-silver-deadlock-werewolf-good-morning-gif-8422714924426517146

[rich grove]

AWOOOOOOO

[dusky flume]

awoo.

[somber creek]

I do like how fucking absolutely titanic viscous fist gets now

[shy quiver]

AWOOOOOOOO

[late hare]

awooo (with sadness)

[vivid nimbus]

She got minor buffs today!

[late hare]

the sadness is because I can't play her well despite very much wanting to and I might be gated from doing so until I get a better PC lol

[astral lava]

viscous very busted but unfortunately not a solo carry

we gotta do something about thi character

[agile rune]

I maintain I think fern or mirage is the real winner of this patch

[somber creek]

which character do we have to do something about

[astral lava]

viscous

i've had 3 games now whre he's had just an absurdly high amount of damage over everyone else

including this one where i played as him

[agile rune]

you didn't even win though

smh

/j to be clear

[lavish shale]

new Wraith seems pretty good

the infinite ammo goes a lot harder than I thought

[agile rune]

yeah that bit is a bit spooky, and the cards

in a team fight one joker can turn things quick

[somber creek]

I haven't seen Wraith go too too ham yet

[lavish shale]

especially if you also have Merc Mag, since the buff lasts until you next reload

[finite grotto]

viscous and vin on the same team is so fun

[somber creek]

PULL!

https://tenor.com/view/auto-shotgun-machinegun-shotgun-gif-25189498

[finite grotto]

the alley oop

[frail jasper]

One of my favorite useful tricks for Viscous is that you can Puddle Punch off the skybox, so for all those characters who like to float up in the stratosphere (lash, bebop, talon, vindicta, seven, etc.) you can boop them straight downward from above and they end up at street level where you can kill them :)

[somber creek]

what

[agile rune]

what

[somber creek]

holy shit

https://i.imgur.com/R5wWboO.png

[solid glen]

Of course why wouldn't you

Funny to look at

[finite grotto]

FIST OF THE GODS

[frail jasper]

yeah :)

[glass flicker]

My boy is a silver main and he’s hurting from her changes

[frail jasper]

https://www.vxreddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1rnkq9e/the_tunnels_are_getting_just_a_bit_scarier/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[maiden ledge]

played another normal match

this time i didnt get abandoned and i finally got posture checked for stuff i needed to be posture checked for

im learning how to play annoyingly on laning, doing the runs after, moving around the map

im actually thinking about my build and what i want to have mid match than panic queueing while alive and only thinking during the 20+ second deaths

yet to learn the muscle memory of checking others' items and whatnot to counter

still picking bad fights, but im getting a little better at picking people off when theyre isolated. yet to integrate a lot of heavy melee schmixes

[agile rune]

the initial ones from the big patch or the corrections since then

[glass flicker]

Unsure, he was just talking about how it feels detrimental to use Lycan form

[agile rune]

yeah, folks were saying she feels clunky

I'd also like to point out goose egg is slang for 0 or nothing here

[somber creek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzQp77MaWmM

[agile rune]

what have they done to my guy jidenna

[undone galleon]

"manafucka" is crazy

[lavish grove]

Just had my first Victor game of the patch

Yah, he’s even stronger

[agile rune]

jidenna has one of my favourite bars, it's really simple
"I ain't even said a word but my suit bespoke"

[lavish grove]

Honestly the aura nerf feels kinda nice

[agile rune]

nice?

[lavish grove]

Since I can use it more casually in lane now

[agile rune]

honestly I thought the thing that'd hurt victor most is new pocket

[lavish grove]

Yah

Luckily there wasn’t one this game

[agile rune]

fair enough

[vast sandal]

Hmm

Okay I’m thingken about the Golden Goose Egg

A 10% damage penalty for all of laning phase to get a fistful of golden idol buffs when you pop the egg doesn’t seem that good

And like

The egg ain’t really be getting you much more than paying for itself and a little extra otherwise

[frail jasper]

It's really not worth it for that. The permanent buffs are nice but not that nice. The use-case I see for the egg is like, rem or paige buys it early and then when ~20:00 rolls around you use it to cash in 2200 souls and buy a Cursed Relic sooner than you would have

[vast sandal]

My friend / lane partner has been claiming that it’s The Item that lets you buy a key 6400 early

Because she also thinks Mirage’s first buys should be Healing Rite, Monster Rounds, Ricochet in that order

[frail jasper]

if they let you get away with it, i mean...

[vast sandal]

Yeah but she also wonders why we’re getting shit on in lane by opponents who are way more aggressive, do way more damage, and are impossible to keep off our guardian

So like

[agile rune]

it's not worth it rn for anyone but exactly rem imo, and if it becomes worth it for Carries, that's a concern imo

[vast sandal]

Lol

Lmao even

[frail jasper]

I've done Ricochet fast on McGinnis a lot, but McGinnis has (had?) plenty of sustain and pressure that she could get away with that kind of slow-play easily enough.

Mirage always loves Ricochet but I think he doesn't have the kind of pressure or sustain needed to get it before a bunch of incremental items

[agile rune]

I think there's more of an argument for it now post patch given how cranked djinn's mark is

and given he has more survivability with dust devil and scarab changes

[lavish grove]

Honestly I feel like even if egg didn’t have a damage penalty it still wouldn’t be particularly good

It’s still kinda a waste of 800 souls which isn’t nothing early on

[agile rune]

I think items without immediate impact are a fools errand, yes

[vast sandal]

I’ve been trying to explain that itemization is relative to my friend as well…

[lavish grove]

…I’m so sorry

[agile rune]

as in your friend refuses to counterbuild at all?

[lavish grove]

Has she played a MOBA before?

[vast sandal]

“Trophy collector puts you behind because your opponents spend their souls on stuff that has an impact right now and you spend your souls on gambling for later” has not like

Made an impact rhetorically

[vast sandal]

No as in if you buy an item and your opponent buys an item for the same cost the balance of power doesn’t change much

[agile rune]

ohhh

[vast sandal]

But if you spend souls on stuff that doesn’t help right now

You don’t get stronger, and they do

[lavish grove]

Honestly I feel like just getting her not to save up for tier 4 items in laning phase might be your first priority

[vast sandal]

I’ve just had no luck in impressing upon her that we’re in an arms race with our opponents and it’s one that favors early starts because winning earlier means more souls to spend which means you get stronger which means the lead increases

[agile rune]

and given how the game snowballs that small advantage turns to a bigger one

ye

[frail jasper]

Trophy Collector is spending 3200 souls for something that does almost nothing for you when you buy it, when you could have bought a variety of other items for the same price that do incredibly valuable things that help you start getting kills and objectives immediately (which leads to more soul advantage because you're now winning!).

[vast sandal]

She went Healing Tempo 4th item on Dynamo and wondered why our teeth got kicked in by Drifta

Like

[maiden ledge]

when is trophy collector worth it?

[agile rune]

I think trophy collector is much worse than goose egg

[vast sandal]

My friend, my ally, my compatriot

[agile rune]

no

[lavish grove]

Healing tempo isn’t even the tier 4 you get first on dynamo normally…

[vast sandal]

We are losing because you have a 4800 souls sized bite taken out of your powerlevel

[lavish grove]

When you’re in a match that’s 12 on 12 and souls are split to much for anyone to build anything

[vast sandal]

I bought fucking Spirit Snatch because I’m trying to cave Drifter’s skull in with my 2

[agile rune]

you simply cannot handle my fast and furious style

[vast sandal]

You are dead 3 times over because you’re saving for your retirement tempo

[maiden ledge]

i do not think i have the knowledge checks to know these by name

[agile rune]

it's fine, when in doubt the wiki is actually pretty good

[somber creek]

I think Trophy's fine as a winmore

[agile rune]

it comes online too late for what it does for my taste

and I'm against winmore in general, it's not stable

I play for stability and consistency

[torn gulch]

If I'm winning I'd rather buy bullet or spirit resist rather than trophy for the same price

[vast sandal]

And to create integrity right Reggie

[torn gulch]

If I'm winning i'm already caving their skull in

[agile rune]

no I do not believe in integrity

[torn gulch]

So better to survive longer to cave more skulls in

[lavish grove]

I think also enduring speed being cheaper and providing a more important stat then sprint speed doesn’t help either

[agile rune]

I do like being able to execute a fairly similar plan most games

[lavish grove]

Sprint speed not actually being used much in fights means that one of trophy collector’s main stats is just a roaming tool

[somber creek]

I like Trophy Collector since it's a really good way to get huge ability range

[agile rune]

speak for yourself, sprint speed is great if your innate movement capabilities are bad

drifter type beat

[lavish grove]

What about your 2?

[agile rune]

that's my only movement capability

and the sprintspeed on ult now

[lavish grove]

It is a lot

[agile rune]

10 is a lot of sprintspeed

it helps it as an initiation tool, and now that it counts them as isolated it's actually useful against a well coordinated team

[frail jasper]

+10 sprint speed is so fun on drifter, you press 4 when you're not even in lane and fucking RUN AT THEM

[agile rune]

legitimately yeah, turns arriving late to a team fight to an advantage

[vivid nimbus]

Trophy Collector is good if you both scale hard on ability range AND you're currently rolling so hard you literally don't need those 3200 souls to continue getting kills

[frail jasper]

with normal items you get on drifter, your sprint speed with ult shoots up to at least ~24 m/s

[agile rune]

those are both very specific and one is situational

[frail jasper]

24 meters per second is crazy fast

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah exactly, which is why TC is a very niche item

[agile rune]

all I know is you can get from one side of map to the other before it wears off

that's the flashy change but the isolated change to the ult means ultbot drifter is still putting respectable damage out

I think they made drifter into a true off carry this patch

[frail jasper]

yeah that part is just like "the ult works like how you think it should"

ult and JUMP whoever got marked and looks vulnerable in the middle of a fight

also Superior Duration on your 2 is hilarious for how long you can draw out the suspense on someone who got tagged but ran away "to safety"

[somber creek]

I forget, does Paige get extra shields from items?

like extra characters shielded

[vivid nimbus]

No just from T3 upgrade

[frail jasper]

No, only her 2 has a multi-target upgrade

Superior Duration makes Stalker's Mark last 10.24 seconds. That's so long in the moment.

[agile rune]

before a well coordinated team could quite effectively handle a drifter ult but now I get to rush them at the speed of sound and do chunky damage

[frail jasper]

yea

[agile rune]

yeah and folks always parry when they think you've teleported

[frail jasper]

old: "oh drifter ult, everyone just disengage and we'll reengage when it wears off"
new: "we disengage and- oh SHIT he's already on us!! AAAAAAA"

[agile rune]

people also forget rend can hit multiple targets

because ideally you're not using it when multiple people are together normally

ult is also a great way to pump stacks since they all count as isolated

[frail jasper]

"we should group up so we can see each other and possibly help survive!"
drifter salivating at all the people he's about to press 1 on

[agile rune]

I know I talk about him here a lot but I think playing him is a lot of fun

and he's good now!

probably not best of the best but pretty good

and as my main he's the primary lens I perceive the game through, particularly laning as and against

[somber creek]

I do wish Trophy Collector did Something Else in Street Brawl

It's weird that it and Cultist are in the rotation and untouched

[astral lava]

cultist at least still gives the stat buffs

trophy collector........... less so

(You can use cultist on lane creeps)

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah cultist on lane creeps for the buffs isn't terrible

(It also helps push lane)

[agile rune]

oh I missed haze ult now hitting 2 people on max level

[somber creek]

See I don't understand that

wasn't it always an aoe?

[agile rune]

it was at one point, then changed to single target but did not update the visuals

so still looked like an aoe

[lavish shale]

Not for a while

It just swaps between targets in the area

It gets much worse the more targets are inside

A bit less now that it hits two people af t3

[somber creek]

What the hell

[frail jasper]

it secretly has been a solo-ult kind of ability for a while, it just doesn't look like it

[rich grove]

yeah it's been solo only for a hot minute

it hasn't been multi target for a year+ at this point

[frail jasper]

like proper use of it is in fact to sleep dagger -> heavy melee -> solo ult on someone you found in the jungle

not diving into a team fight with it

[rich grove]

(don't heavy melee)

[frail jasper]

okay skip the melee but that's still the idea

[rich grove]

it's really impressive just how many people genuinely thought it was like

reaper ult

pretty much everyone I've ever talked to who picks up the character for the first time is like 'yeah i'm gonna jump in the entire team and ult' and then they fucking die

[frail jasper]

it looks like it should be reaper ult, but it just functionally isn't
until haze gets super fed and buys ricochet or whatever

[rich grove]

because it turns out that it sucks

[somber creek]

This is the biggest lie a game's ever told me

[rich grove]

even with ricochet it was largely dogshit

yeah the AOE is more like a punishment than anything

or was, anywy

[lavish shale]

Because everything about the ability makes it seem like that

[rich grove]

what's funny is that every time they've made it multi target they've reverted it later

it's like the warden unstop on ult channel

[somber creek]

You don't make a character do an ult where they spin around and shoot their guns in every direction as a big circle forms around them and then go "it's single target"

"it optimal to focus her"

[rich grove]

she ludo on my narrative til i experience cognitive dissonance

[somber creek]

cognitive diss on deeze nuts

[maiden ledge]

ahh gotcha

another deadlock match. im getting posture trained hard

it seems like every time i go vyper i get a bunch of aerial heroes to deal with, so it's good experience

[vast sandal]

What does posture trained mean

[maiden ledge]

you get whacked if your posture is wrong aka ironing out the flaws by force

[vivid nimbus]

Put me on the list fam

[somber creek]

Oh Vindicta bullet damage now scales with spirit power

that's nice

[vivid nimbus]

From reading patch notes, it looks this was only really messed with prior in Summer-Fall of 2024

[maiden ledge]

so THATS why im seeing so many vindicta players laning against me

fuck

[vivid nimbus]

• June 6, 2024: Bullet Dance T3 gets +1 target hit
• October 10, 2024: Bullet Dance gets a new T3 and hits 2 targets baseline
• November 7, 2024: Bullet Dance no longer hits 2 targets baseline
  (And also various other changes in this time period)

[gray otter]

deadlock update: holy shit i love playing paige

and do not like playing geist

why is geist a gun dps

she has a nuclear bomb she should be a spirit dps

[vivid nimbus]

Spirit Geist is real it's just less good than gun AIUI, but also just got buffed yesterday

[vast sandal]

Geist has a nuclear bomb but her core competency is stealing your HP like the capitalist leech she is

[gray otter]

i am allergic to gun characters not named graves

as i cannot aim for shit

[vivid nimbus]

A big issue was how harsh her self-damage scaled up as she built spirit, but that got fixed

[gray otter]

i can aim bigass circles fine, just not guns

[lavish shale]

Real

[agile rune]

in their defence, the animations make it look like it is

are any of the shotgun characters gun carries atm?

[vivid nimbus]

Not really, Callico can build gun assassin but that's not quite the same

Glocket I'm not counting as a non-meme build

[agile rune]

yeah was just thinking about gun characters to play if you have aim issues

[finite patrol]

Graves is p solid

[agile rune]

it was a meme build before the patch, and considering how much spirit pocket was buffed post patch

[finite patrol]

I find wardens gun very forgiving

but he's been patched to make him better hybrid i think

[somber creek]

I feel like Glocket can be good if you build decently into burst damage

[vast sandal]

Calico is kind of carry-adjacent and her gun is pretty solid, but she’s more of a spirit nuker/assassin

[agile rune]

I think warden should be king shit of hybrid play, no I cannot justify it

[finite patrol]

calico can carry just fine now that she gets a billion souls for leveling her dash

[vast sandal]

She just sorta jumps at people, smacks their ass, throws glitter in their eyes and runs away as they expire

[lavish shale]

Wraith though

[vast sandal]

I guess the extra bounty souls for clobbering people help her be a carry yeah

She is a contract killer after all

[vivid nimbus]

She gets to be queen shit of hybrid

[agile rune]

being a carry is not just about getting souls, it's about how high impact those souls are for you, either in levels or in items that synergise super well

[finite patrol]

having way more souls does mean you can do whatever

[agile rune]

yeah but some people benefit from that even more

[torn gulch]

1 has low cooldown and decent ish damage so turn it into your reload button

That is my justification of hybrid warden

[finite patrol]

hybrid warden was the way for a while until they nerfed ult and buffed gun and now its probably the way again

[vivid nimbus]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1rnqp6g/this_change_to_abrams_ult_is_hilarious/

Damn this is actually juicy

[rich grove]

THE ALLEY OOP

[finite patrol]

hell yeah

wahahaha lets see what this book can do

[somber creek]

So the funniest thing about Mina being a brat to the Doorman

Is she knows hes a godlike being

So she's doing that regardless because hes still the help

[agile rune]

did he always fly down so quick?

[agile rune]

it's wild because like, she wants fame and power and doorman could give her that

[somber creek]

But its not Mina getting it

Thats a pretty big thing about her character

She actually does back up her ambition with wanting to personally get her hands dirty now that shes a vampire

[agile rune]

It's interesting the two vamps in the game are outsiders in the society, mina cause she's new and drifter because he's drifter

[somber creek]

I feel like the actual vampire nation will show up in VNs

[agile rune]

possible, though nation is not the word I'd use

I'm pretty sure they're more like a shadow society, seeing as they were around before the gates and people thought they were stories

[somber creek]

They are literally called "The Vampire Nation"

[agile rune]

oh I'd missed that then

or just read it as embellishment

not as a literal nation

[somber creek]

It seems to just be the Camarilla

But with the numbers filed off

https://deadlock.vlviewer.com/voicelines?voiceline=vampirebat_kill_doorman_04.mp3

That was for my previous bit

[agile rune]

drifter mentions north american baronies in his description so you're probably right about the camarilla

[frail jasper]

he's using phantom strke mid-ult to zip into people's faces

also, drifter game finished, feels great

[agile rune]

oh, I'd never considered that since I don't play abrams

[somber creek]

Theres also a new funny interaction

If you send a grey talon owl through paradox wall

It teleports forward at the speed of light

[frail jasper]

enemy victor wins lane hard, proceeds to go steamroll other lanes in a few clownshoe fights
okay
buy spirit resilience very next item
buy toxic bullets
buy crippling headshot
buy inhibitor
proceed to separate the victor into his component pieces again

[agile rune]

the silence on rend 3 is so good

[frail jasper]

It's devastating

[somber creek]

I have noticed that if you just focus on solo farming you do end up relevant no matter what

[frail jasper]

Oh you had cute abilities that would have let this be a fair fight, lmao

[agile rune]

it's enough that you force the fight in your favour, even if you don't kill before it's up

especially on ability focussed characters

[frail jasper]

aforementioned Victor, for example

who now cannot use his pain battery, nor turn off his aura, nor use his jump start

[frail jasper]

solo farm macro is a huge skill to practice, because it's how you become relevant if you're behind and not already relevant

[lavish shale]

Troopers give a lot of souls, especially when you're alone

You always wanna be watching out for big creep waves you can clear

[agile rune]

lane is worth more than jungle, so prioritise lane, always be there to push a wave

then pivot

[frail jasper]

Pet peeve of mine is every time I verbally tell people "I'm gonna go catch [lane]" as it's pushing in, only for someone to immediately come join me and leech half the souls that should have been for ME >:T

you DON'T need two monkeys to eat a banana
you DON'T need two heroes to clear an uncontested lane

[agile rune]

part of the reason I like the drifter changes is it means you don't have to commit to a more support or a more carry playstyle, changes let you thread a nice middleground

[somber creek]

This does infuriate me

[lavish shale]

My rating has gotten up to Ritualist now somehow, but I still feel like I just suck at the game
And I'm just cheating by playing Victor

[frail jasper]

8 kills vs Victor's 20, but 26 assists let's goooo

[agile rune]

a true off carry