Deadlock

[finite grotto]

yooooooooooo

wtf discord

[vast sandal]

Haze got her T3 ult splitshot back

[finite patrol]

as expected

[vivid nimbus]

The trooper/shine/walker changes makes it much easier to close out games I think

[finite grotto]

base 60% bul res on powerslash is so nice for lane

and it got a slow (but range reduction)

[frail jasper]

Backstabber buffed (renamed, doesn't require hits to the back but instead damage w/in 8m)

[lavish grove]

Check on your local shiv main

[frail jasper]

so you don't proc backstabber (now Stalker) from afar but it's better for jumping onto someone who then tries to flee

[finite grotto]

calicos bullets had gravity??

[frail jasper]

• Melee Charge: Heavy Melee Bonus damage now works with heavy melee abilities
  VISCOUS STONKS

[finite grotto]

so many doorman changes

[frail jasper]

this is a LOT of item buffs

[vivid nimbus]

15 item street brawl 👀

[finite grotto]

YEES

[finite grotto]

fuck

[worldly dirge]

you start with 400 in it

[frail jasper]

I think they reverted Restorative Locket so it applies to allies again

[vast sandal]

There's no way they nerfed Shiv

[worldly dirge]

nerf shiv

[lavish grove]

Check in your local shiv main

[frail jasper]

REM STONKS

[finite grotto]

LETSSGOOO

NOOO

a true rollercoaster

[vast sandal]

the Paradox buffs are nuts

[solid glen]

augh

my combos

[frail jasper]

• Slowing Hex: Now sets the gravity of an enemy to a fixed +20% (heavier) regardless of their own base values
• Slowing Hex: Projectile speed increased from 53m/s to 80m/s
• Slowing Hex: Cooldown reduced from 30s to 27s
  Slowing Hex is now a better (actual) counter to the Celeste mains who only spend 15% of a match touching the ground

[lavish grove]

Jesus

[frail jasper]

It looks like most of the active items were buffed in some way

[vast sandal]

this is kinda fine because now Paradoxical Swap isn't mandatory to combo into wall

you just do swap and swap does what swap+wall used to do

[solid glen]

I see I see...

[frail jasper]

• Viscous: Puddle Punch now grants +30% Air Control when affecting yourself or allies
  VISCOUS STONKS

This goober is the slip & slide king now

• Viscous: Splatter ground effect now increases slide distance by 60% for you and your allies

• Viscous: Goo Ball no longer can carry Urn
  OH NO

[vast sandal]

but also I am gonna miss the fun of kiting Silver through wall repeatedly

[frail jasper]

I think overall good viscous changes. Lots of good adjustments of numbers and introduces opportunity for wild techs

[granite heath]

@magic summit Wraith now has Rubick Telekinesis

[rich grove]

BLOOD TRIBUTE LETS OGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[somber creek]

• Pocket: Affliction T3 now prevents all healing on targets

[vast sandal]

oh wait

fucking

[somber creek]

MAMA MIA

[vast sandal]

Paradox's grenade applies timestop now

holy shit

[warm sonnet]

JAYSIS

[vast sandal]

I was gonna say "they took everything from my girl" but no they did not

[frail jasper]

god these sweeping changes are all kinda nuts

[granite heath]

Time to throw so many games because I'm holding on to this egg way longer than I should.

[magic summit]

This patch is

[vast sandal]

fucking

time stop pulse grenade

[magic summit]

Incredible

[vast sandal]

ok

IT'S TIME
TO STOP

[magic summit]

Icefrog I will kill for you

[finite grotto]

Sly do you have any thoughts on the pocket changes?

[autumn field]

FUCKING GUTTED WOOOOOOOO

[magic summit]

Haven't gotten through to the changes yet

[somber creek]

It's actually not much of a gutting

[granite heath]

The rest of the Wraith card changes are really funny too.

[somber creek]

he's now Even Tankier

[still swan]

Did they add anything this update

[finite grotto]

will be super interested on your thoughts on pockez after this

[frail jasper]

one new spirit item

[rich grove]

• Haze: Bullet Dance T3 now also fires at an additional target

uih oh.

• Haze: Fixation T1 spirit scaling increased from 0.37 to 0.8

UH OH

[somber creek]

Aw man

[magic summit]

Oh I see

[somber creek]

Silver got nerfed into the ground

[magic summit]

That's interesting

[rich grove]

ah but then wakeup duration doesnt scale with spirit anymore

[frail jasper]

These patch changes are so widespread that everyone is basically gonna have to relearn so many quirks across the entire roster

[rich grove]

sad

[magic summit]

You are less of a sitting duck during Barrage and you have guaranteed utility on Pocket now

[frail jasper]

• Bebop: Hook can now be canceled
  except bebop who only gets this

[magic summit]

That's cool

[autumn field]

wait i misread

[vast sandal]

Doorman: Hotel Guest T3 changed from "-50s Cooldown" to "Unstoppable while Hotel is occupied. 10s Cooldown on Failure to Check Out"

[autumn field]

why does abrams have buffs in therer

[vast sandal]

oh

oh no

Doorman can chain Hotel Guests now

[autumn field]

what the fuck do you mean he can chain door

[somber creek]

Vindicta fucking gets flight duration refresh on kill

[autumn field]

i expected more celeste nerfs ngl

[finite grotto]

slashing the % health dmg of pocket ult tho does hurt a lot no? (full heal block do be mega nice tho)

[vivid nimbus]

HAHAHHAHA

• Abrams: Siphon Life is now circular rather than just in front of him

It also got a bunch of nerfs tho

[somber creek]

How is Holiday untouched!!

[solid glen]

oooo

[vast sandal]

hotfix: Holliday removed from the game

[granite heath]

yeah the Wraith cards seem really funny.

[finite grotto]

yo yamato kinda got some really strong buffs

crimson slash getting an entire spirit scaling 😌

[lavish grove]

But Holliday wasn’t changed?

[finite grotto]

2 can now proc spirit snatch

[vast sandal]

That’s the joke

[rich grove]

• Ivy: Now has -10% Gravity

WHAT \

[solid glen]

oooo

[finite grotto]

you can instant parry now on yamato powerslash and it will still fire 😤

[rich grove]

• Mirage: Traveler now targets a location on the minimap rather than units. Places you at the ground level of that location.

• Mirage: Djinn's Mark T3 now also stuns for 0.5s at max stacks

[somber creek]

Yeah Mirage is insane now

[rich grove]

?????????????????????????????????????????

[solid glen]

he needed it

[somber creek]

Also Scarabs doesn't suck to use

[rich grove]

• Mirage: Fire Scarabs changed from -8% Bullet Resist to +10% Damage Amp on that target from any damage you deal

OH NO

OH NOOOOO

[finite grotto]

wait mirage has tf ult now (minus the vision)

[lavish grove]

oh

[rich grove]

• Paige: Conjure Dragon renamed to Bookwyrm

[magic summit]

It is, and the cloak cooldown hurts their early damage power by a lot. But turning off healing completely is such a strong buff, plus them having real spirit scaling now

[rich grove]

THEY DID IT

[somber creek]

Defend and Fight is now Plot Armor

[rich grove]

• Paige: Defend and Fight! renamed to Plot Armor

[finite grotto]

hmhm

[rich grove]

THEY DID IT

[somber creek]

JINX

OWEE ME A COKE

[rich grove]

• Pocket: Affliction no longer applies 12% Current Health Damage

?????

[somber creek]

look at the new T3 upgrade

[rich grove]

oh my god they have aoe doom

alright

ok

[warm sonnet]

Is that Doom in your pocket or are you just happy to DOOOOOMI

[finite grotto]

imma spam yamato so hard

[rich grove]

• Shiv: Killing Blow is no longer unit targeted, you jump in the direction forward with some small control

[lavish grove]

So like, I don’t think I’m gonna play shiv anymore

[rich grove]

after one million years

[finite grotto]

oh tresh also hasnt seen the warden section yet oof

[rich grove]

• Warden: Binding Word T3 changed from "+20% Bullet Damage" to "-18s Cooldown and Silences enemies until they escape or are trapped"

YO

• Warden: Last Stand T3 now also grants you Unstoppable while channeling

NO

NO

[warm sonnet]

OH

[rich grove]

@finite patrol they're fucking doing it again 😭

why 😭

we ALREADY DID THIS

and everyone agreed it sucked

[finite grotto]

the bullet growth nerf do be yucky

[frail jasper]

• Drifter: Eternal Night T1 changed from "+6.3 Spirit Damage Proc" to "+10m Sprint" (kicks in immediately)
  jesus, he's so fast

[rich grove]

I mean hybrid warden was already kinda the play

[spring tundra]

They changed Mcguiness right guys

Mcguiness got buffs

Right

:p

[frail jasper]

I think she got the most changes lol

[finite grotto]

the t3 upgrade for warden 3 tho is nashty as fuck

[spring tundra]

Oh fucking Jesus I was joking

Lemme read this

[somber creek]

McGinnis being added to the list of white women who can't jumpp

[finite grotto]

I dont think yamato needed all these buffs but i take em

[frail jasper]

• McGinnis: Spectral Wall segments can now be destroyed with 2 heavy melee hits (destroys an individual segment)
  MERCIFUL COUNTERPLAY

• McGinnis: Spectral Wall T3 changed from "0.75s Stun on Impact" to "Creates 2 Turrets for 8s and increases slow by 30%" (creates them on the side facing you spread along the wall)
  what the fuck

[spring tundra]

YOOOO

also TURRETS GETTING INNATE +2 CHARGES IS INSANE

MY 7 TURRET SONS

[frail jasper]

Do uh

Echo Shard on the wall. You cast the first one, spawns 2 turrets, echo shard to cast another wall that also spawns 2 turrets (I just tested, it works)

[spring tundra]

Wait yeah sorry my

… 10

Is that 10 turret sons

[frail jasper]

5 turret charges with Rapid Recharge, plus 2 summoned every time you cast T3 wall

[bleak thicket]

Infinite turret works

[finite patrol]

LAST STANDING YOUR FUCKING STUN IS BACK LMAO

[bleak thicket]

Also echo shard now optimal on wall

[spring tundra]

Yeah

[bleak thicket]

More turret per turret

[hallow zenith]

Where are the patch notes?

[spring tundra]

No you’re right with wall it’s 9 turret sons

[frail jasper]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1422450/view/519740319207522795

[finite patrol]

am happy that bind finally has a tier 3

[spring tundra]

… wait hold on

[hallow zenith]

Thank you

[spring tundra]

Can you echo shard 2 walls that now exist at the same time

[finite grotto]

yamato yamato yamato yamato yamato

[spring tundra]

Or does it break the previous

[frail jasper]

you have to drop the first wall to echo shard -> cast the second wall

[spring tundra]

Ohhh okay

[frail jasper]

it also doesn't stun anymore

[spring tundra]

Also weirdly I’m happy her ult duration got reduced

As someone who played her

It was just like…. Slightly too long?

It felt weird

If you let it run its full duration you were basically guaranteed to waste some of it

[bleak thicket]

It was good for extended area denial

A duration nerf is understandable tho

[finite grotto]

yamato 2 can now apply spirit rend 🤩

[spring tundra]

For sure

Definitely felt excessive is what I mean tho lmao

[frail jasper]

• Paige: Defend and Fight! renamed to Plot Armor
  Incredible change

[spring tundra]

Man turrets getting innate charges makes me

So happy

Also when they say shivs knives do no impact damage

Do they JUST apply bleed now

[frail jasper]

Paradox time wall is no longer a main part of her swap combo, it no longer deals %damage or silences. Instead you drop the wall and shoot through it to get big weapon damage/speed increase. It still would be useful as part of her Carbine -> Swap combo but isn't what it was.

[ivory reef]

• Pocket: Affliction T3 now prevents all healing on targets

AA!!!

we have AA!!!

let's fuckin goooooooooooooooooooo

[frail jasper]

Divine Barrier stonks skyrocketing.

• Paradox: Paradoxical Swap T3 changed from "+15m Cast Range" to "Swaps additional enemies in 7m radius and +10% Current Health Damage"
  OH EXCUSE ME

Paradox T3 swap is a team-stunner now lol

[vivid nimbus]

Also note she gets the ult duration back on T2

[spring tundra]

Ohhhh

[vast sandal]

Paradox’s swap became wall+swap in return for wall doing other stuff now

Unfortunately you can’t just kite Silver players through wall over and over anymore

But now you have Ultra Swap

[vivid nimbus]

Sanguine Retreat getting triple cast on T3

[magic summit]

Victor found dead in Manhattan

[ivory reef]

@median lantern @sweet cobalt @bleak thicket @mild flume

[magic summit]

Yeah

[bleak thicket]

looool

[magic summit]

Im sorry Marathon i just bought you but I have a mission now and its "Make Shiv and Victor mains uninstall"

[spring tundra]

New victor strat is just Not Engage with pocket ever lmao

You gotta just run

If they’re on lane with you? Different lane now boyo

[vast sandal]

Silence that evil enby

Or it’s over for you

[magic summit]

As though he can run from me.

[vast sandal]

They really changed up my girl Paradox

[ivory reef]

Marathon: Ashley look we have a vandal shell for you
Deadlock:

• Can now jump during slide
• Dash jump grants a very brief period with increased air control (30% for 0.25s)

[vivid nimbus]

Tunnel rats rule

• Mo & Krill: Burrow now lets you enter the tunnels

[finite grotto]

so i have to ask

[ivory reef]

[finite grotto]

was yamato perceived as weak before this patch?

[magic summit]

No

[vast sandal]

Plans when I make it big:

• change it up on the day ones
• forget where I came from
• act like I ain’t know nobody

[finite grotto]

ok cause she kinda only got buffs with some small nerfs

[twilit roost]

Siphon Bullets: Now steals 2.5% of enemy max HP per bullet instead of a fixed amount

[ivory reef]

• Pocket: Barrage now lets you use stamina during the ability
• Pocket: Barrage now lets you use Flying Cloak during the ability

[spring tundra]

Writing down: nonbinaries can stop healing….

[ivory reef]

hrrrrrnghgnghhh

[vast sandal]

Ah, yes, Tankbuster for gun carries

[spring tundra]

I mean I don’t think Yamato was seen as awful either

[ivory reef]

Barrage more like garage

Cause of all my vehicles

[vast sandal]

You know what you must do

White woman normals are over

It’s stinky enby time

[rich grove]

what is this item? some kind of

Gunbuster (Top o Nerae!)

[ivory reef]

Marathon: frog blast the vent core
Deadlock:

[terse aspen]

I thought I had heard some people calling her "worse Apollo", but I may be remembering wrong

[frail jasper]

• Lash: Increased Sparkles
  another incredible change. sparkles fade in/out around his head

[vast sandal]

Look

[spring tundra]

Yeah she and Apollo have weirdly similar design space

IMO

He’s more defensive tho

[ivory reef]

Wait fuck nobody knows that meme I'm old

https://marathongame.fandom.com/wiki/Frog_Blast_the_Vent_Core @bleak thicket @sweet cobalt

[vast sandal]

Apollo getting to menace my lane with his rich Ixian boy movement

[ivory reef]

Okay now they know

[rich grove]

'nobody knows that meme'

[frail jasper]

it's okay, I gotchu

[vast sandal]

Has gone on for too long

Eh I know Frog Blast the Vent Core

[rich grove]

my ass is odysseus

[bleak thicket]

?

[ivory reef]

Pocket is for when I really gotta blast that vent core with frogs

[twilit roost]

torment Pulse: No longer hits sleeping enemies to avoid waking them up

Hazers rejoice

[rich grove]

call me polyphemus the way Nobody want me

[spring tundra]

I need you to know that telling ash that white women normals are over just made me instantly go “now begins Indian woman specials” because I had no clue what u were on about

[vast sandal]

It’s a Mina joke

[ivory reef]

LOL

[rich grove]

one of my favourite dumbass builds was spirit haze with decay where you would sleep someone, decay them, and then stand over their unconscious body

[vast sandal]

The Indian woman normal is getting kicked with ice cold death feet

[rich grove]

because items don't interrupt sleep

[vast sandal]

It’s oppressive in neutral

[ivory reef]

It's our genetic heritage

[frail jasper]

• Mo & Krill: Burrow now lets you enter the tunnels
  REM FEARFUL 😰

[ivory reef]

Like venom glands in snakes

[spring tundra]

I’m at work so I can’t stop and scroll, any vindicta changes?

[ivory reef]

LOL

[vast sandal]

Spirit scaling for fire rate is gone

[worldly dirge]

funny

[rich grove]

so now I can just t-pose over them with torment pulse tazering them over and over again while they take 600 damage for each decay pop

[spring tundra]

Is…. That it

[vast sandal]

Idk some other stuff that didn’t stand out to me

The time buffer for killing with snipe is better now

[spring tundra]

Could u rephrase that or explain what a time buffer is
Like the recharge between shots?

[rich grove]

so

if you shoot someone with snipe

[vast sandal]

The time you have between hitting with snipe and it counting for the weapon damage bonus when they die

[rich grove]

there is now a 4s window where if they die, that counts as your kill for the-

yep

there's a similar mechanic on mo and krill and grey talon ults

so that if you get like 99% of the kill and then teammate tickles their toes to steal credit

you still get the stacking mechanic

[vast sandal]

Also thank fuck for Drifter getting his passive stacks whether or not he gets kill credit

That shit was evil

[spring tundra]

Can I be totally honest

[twilit roost]

Yeah changed from kills to just isolated deaths

[spring tundra]

I forgot that vindicta’s snipe did more damage the more people you killed with it

[ivory reef]

Any sentence starting like that: no

[spring tundra]

Oh

Sorry

Blows up

Like scanners

[lavish shale]

she gets gun damage per stack

[frail jasper]

• Vindicta: Flight T3 now also refreshes duration on hero kill

[spring tundra]

Oh that kinda rules

[lavish shale]

the ult itself scales off spirit

[ivory reef]

Okay that's sick

[frail jasper]

• Vindicta: Crow Familiar now releases a swarm of crows in a cone forward, hitting all enemies along the path

[spring tundra]

FUCK

YES

OH MY GOD

I hated the crow

[ivory reef]

WHAT

[spring tundra]

So much

[tidal elm]

no more was needed

[ivory reef]

Literally cone of crows

[spring tundra]

Aiming that crow and hitting an actual player

[rich grove]

WOE

[spring tundra]

Was the devil

[ivory reef]

And Luna don't care

[rich grove]

CROW BE UPON YE

[vast sandal]

Hey I don’t play Vindicta

I was skimming

[frail jasper]

the crow cone has BIG RANGE still

[spring tundra]

My new DND spell

Cone of crows

[spring tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/shiny-moana-tamatoa-sparkle-sparkly-gif-16985274

[vast sandal]

The Lash doesn’t need changes

[spring tundra]

^ lash

[vast sandal]

Just aesthetic buffs

In fact, the Lash didn’t even need buffs

He just needed you to see how gorgeous he really is

[finite grotto]

ok i can report gang

yamato feels fucking incredible

[spring tundra]

And they finally textured holiday and shivs guns right

Right guys

tearing up right

[tidal elm]

The Lash does not recognise your authority to modify his stats
The Lash will, however, accept more sparkles

[vast sandal]

https://tenor.com/view/hand-on-shoulder-akakichi-no-eleven-everything-will-be-ok-my-brother-in-christ-we're-gonna-beat-you-gif-16692013677699419935

[glass flicker]

Celeste get any major changes?

[twilit roost]

Ivy: Kudzu Connection T3 changed from "+1 Tether Count" to "Ability is now always active"

T2 is also +8% bullet life steal

[spring tundra]

She’s homophobic again

/j

[ivory reef]

Yes see slowing hex

[frail jasper]

Ah, but it's not just a cone of "APPLY CROWS" but projectiles in this kind of shape and it gets more narrow as you look up/down

[spring tundra]

Oh shit they actually did the thing

That is

Such a small decrease

For the bounce range

That’s so funny

[tidal elm]

look at Abrams changes, there are like 20 of em

[frail jasper]

• Slowing Hex: Now sets the gravity of an enemy to a fixed +20% (heavier) regardless of their own base values
• Slowing Hex: Projectile speed increased from 53m/s to 80m/s
• Slowing Hex: Cooldown reduced from 30s to 27s
  Relevant to Celeste (and Ivy now who has -10% gravity) is this buff to Slowing Hex

and I guess Holliday too

[spring tundra]

I’m legitimately so excited to try Vindicta crow cone

[tidal elm]

one is them is reduced bullet dmg yes

[spring tundra]

Her 3 is usable now

Dear lord

[vast sandal]

Why are women immune to gravity in video games

[frail jasper]

blame princess peach for setting precedent

[vast sandal]

THE MONARCHY

[spring tundra]

Boobs are lighter than air

[tidal elm]

also IDK why they buffed a lot Viktor

[glass flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/deadlock-true-true-morgan-freeman-ivy-ivy-deadlock-gif-16009390819959617677

[tidal elm]

like. My guys that was very much not necessary

[spring tundra]

Men should get heavier gravity

And only pocket should be normal

[twilit roost]

Call me an ambulance but not for me! Kinda change

[spring tundra]

Good lord

What is happening in there

[tidal elm]

good lord

the Mole remembered they can dig under cement.

[terse aspen]

Wait, so it silences enemies specifically at T2, and not at T3?

[spring tundra]

No the silence used to be the t3 upgrade but was reduced to only needing t2

[terse aspen]

Ah ok

[tidal elm]

Wraith got also a bunch of cool changes, notably
she now has a 5 possible cards she can get on her 1
and reads patch Unlimited Ammo on her Full Auto

Rattle em boys

[frail jasper]

RATTLE 'EM, BOYS

[spring tundra]

WHAT

WHAT

pls feed me wraith changes

In my mouth pls

I’m eating so fucking good rn

[tidal elm]

i'm gonna be real, it's 30 sentences

[frail jasper]

stuffs you full of too much for you to handle

[tidal elm]

like, it's long

yup. ty Salad

[spring tundra]

Oh my god

Sorry yeah I didn’t realize

[tidal elm]

the IG version is zoomed in

[spring tundra]

CARDS HAVE SUITS

WOAH

[tidal elm]

yup

[frail jasper]

her ult isn't a projectile anymore, it's Rubick's Telekinesis from dota

[tidal elm]

Wraith discovered Balatro

[frail jasper]

she's got like, "single target lash ult" energy now

[spring tundra]

Fuuuuck

Yesssssss

Ouuuuuuugh

Sorry

This is so exciting

[tidal elm]

nah u good, it's pretty cool

gotta see if they changed Venator

[maiden ledge]

it seems like doorman's bell wont cause a concussion on being hit with it anymore

[finite patrol]

that fucking parry anim

[tidal elm]

nah no changes.

[vivid nimbus]

The important parts of Wraith changes:

• Cards have random suits with fun effects
• Full Auto T3 grants unlimited ammo
• Telekinesis instantly lifts the target and lets you pick where to throw them

[maiden ledge]

but also ow that explosion damage

[spring tundra]

I’m absolutely rushing t3 full auto now

The numbers of times

I have hit her 3 and then had to RELOAD

[finite grotto]

ok i lsot but yamato feels super nice

[vivid nimbus]

That's why I take quicksilver reload :v

[maiden ledge]

wait what was changed with yamato?

[tidal elm]

I started playing Lady Geist just yesterday so very happy with the changes

[spring tundra]

I don’t make my own builds in this game babygirl

I take the item I’m told to take by God

[gray otter]

ok im unknowledgeable how did my characters (silver celeste apollo and paige) change

[gray otter]

OH SHIT THEY RENAMED PAIGES ABILITIES LMAO

[maiden ledge]

wait it's peak

[gray otter]

BOOKWYRM

[vivid nimbus]

I love Bookwyrm

[gray otter]

how bad did silver get hit

[maiden ledge]

oh wow you can really catch someone lacking now if you power slash and they go for the funny

[finite grotto]

ye

also like

60% bul res on base is so fucking nice

slow on t1

it is shorter early but when maxed it gains range

[spring tundra]

My ideal for silver would be human form buffs werewolf form nerfs

[tidal elm]

couple of changes on her tail swipe, ult no longer seems to give innate bullet res and uuuh, some other small cds adjusment

[finite grotto]

yamato 3 now has a base spirit sclaing

[tidal elm]

nah human form got no buffs that I can see

[maiden ledge]

woahh melee damage

[finite grotto]

2 can now proc stuff like spirit snatch and spirit rend!

[tidal elm]

mostly to maker her disarm less oppresive

[spring tundra]

So

Question

Do different characters have different damage values for their basic melees

[finite grotto]

ult prob got the most nerfs but even then its fine

@maiden ledge she feels so fucking nice with the changes

[frail jasper]

yes, and different scaling, though for the most part it's pretty even across the board

[spring tundra]

Mhm

[gray otter]

imo silver should be able to cast her ult to stop herself from transforming (her human form 1 is my favorite ability in her kit)

[maiden ledge]

shiiit i might have to give her a whirl then

though ive only been playing street brawl for a while

[finite grotto]

the early bul resist, tier 1 slow and t3 range increase are reallly noticeable

[vivid nimbus]

Lash got a new parry animation where he thrusts his chest out

[frail jasper]

Abrams is 50/116 melee with +1.6 scaling
Rem is 58/116 melee with +1.6 scaling

[rich grove]

lash parrying with his boobs

[spring tundra]

Yeah I really really like silver’s human kit in theory

Shame it uh

Sucks

[vivid nimbus]

Real "go ahead, take your best shot" energy

[maiden ledge]

oh actually

[frail jasper]

Paige is 42/120 and +1.2 scaling

[maiden ledge]

for moba playing whats a character i should get into thats the epitome of "little shit i hate fighting"

[tidal elm]

"You have one shot. Make it count" ass dialogue

[gray otter]

rem probably

[maiden ledge]

ooh

[gray otter]

or bebop

[maiden ledge]

ill pass on bebop he doesnt feel good to my hands

[frail jasper]

I think it's a sign of a healthy game that I can look at any lane duo of heroes and think "this is going to be ass to fight against"

[maiden ledge]

pretty much lmao

[spring tundra]

Yeah I do that basically every lane

Part of my ritual is bitching about my lane opponents no matter what

[open nova]

Vindicta buffs seem very cool

being able to melee while flying is bigger than it looks I think

I am gonna steal so many bridge buffs

[frail jasper]

big one is parry while flying so she can actually use counterspell

[spring tundra]

Okay guys

It’s time for melee flight vindicta build

Where I just fly around kicking people

[frail jasper]

he says "boosh" when you land a parry

[finite patrol]

^

[plain furnace]

are there folks wanting to play now ?

[lavish grove]

It really doesn’t once you start landing your shots well

Express Shot+Hollow Point makes your combo chunk healthbars

And her 2 is an extremely good movement and displacement tool once you start swinging your camera around

[tidal elm]

for a quick rundown, credit to Deadlock Hub on Twitter

[finite patrol]

aww thats a cute infographic

[maiden ledge]

playing moba for the first time in a while

and im realizing why i dont play moba mode

calico died within a minute in my lane and then left me for the match

cost us the walker

[tidal elm]

you gotta develop a certain resilience on that aye, takes time

sometimes, it's just do be like that

[maiden ledge]

i think im gonna swear off the moba mode until i have a full stack that is available when im available (never)

like you could at least lane for the 7 minutes or whatever

[mossy pine]

Well if you want someone for that full stack ping me I've been looking for folks to play with

[finite patrol]

we do stacks every Wednesday night (both eu and na) and Saturday. I can add you to the list if those times work for you

we can also just make new times if people can make another day work

check the pin!

[mossy pine]

Oh I see! Ye add me to that list please

[maiden ledge]

yeah add me to that please

wednesdays and saturdays are tough for me but im sure one will crop up eventually

[vivid nimbus]

It's wild that there're so many changes, except for Bebop, Grey Talon, Holliday, Sinclair, Venator, and Vyper

[finite patrol]

Which times?

[mossy pine]

It's Saturday night right?

[maiden ledge]

i just lost that match; i had the team soul lead despite having only 30 hours in the game and im a little bitter about it 😔, individual diff was 20K

[finite patrol]

Ok. so there's a 2nd link in that post. you can paint out your available times and I can create a new window

[mossy pine]

Oh wait I see the link I'll go fill that out

[finite patrol]

https://whenisgood.net/xr9rhxx

[maiden ledge]

oh right it's drop-in and drop-out, that should make things easier

[finite patrol]

Yup

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15G7TKHhT6KDEQPp8CPEG-nsyb3dOoi9f9Zq6PTxBKSY/edit?usp=drivesdk

I can add you for one of these times and/or you can fill out the whenisgood and we can make new time windows.

[stable forum]

'- Lash: Increased Sparkles'

critical lash buff

lash now top1

[finite patrol]

he also got dat new parry anim

[maiden ledge]

ET is eastern time right?

for Wed NA

[finite patrol]

Yes

[maiden ledge]

hmm, could you just put me down for the Saturday time for now?

[finite patrol]

sure!

[maiden ledge]

im pacing back and forth on my specific availability because my day-to-day is kind of all over the place T.T

[maiden ledge]

aaaa thank you!

[vestal trench]

this is so silly fun

[maiden ledge]

i will say i think i enjoy vyper, im just stuck on how to bring down flying enemies with Dispel

since i cast knockdown and then they remove it and kill me lol

[finite patrol]

also <@&1277035919182008330> if youre interested in group play, but none of the times we play currently work for you: please fill out the whenisgood from this message and I can make more pods.
#1276682303384457256 message

[agile void]

SCORN CAN PROC TANKBUSTER

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

"mo lost time for ult"

WHO GIVES A SHIT

[agile rune]

lots of buffs

[agile void]

everyone and their mother hated mo just ulting you for 8 seconds

even the mo players hated being just an ultbot

now they can actually do shit!

[vestal trench]

OH MY GOD

[agile rune]

oh hohohoho

[vestal trench]

REGGIE

OH MY GOD

[agile rune]

support drifter incoming

[agile void]

oh so now we dont troll when we steal the kill from drifter?

[warm sonnet]

He's just prowling between the lanes now, just waiting while the enemy feeds

[stable forum]

ohno

[agile rune]

he was already doing that sierra

[stable forum]

this is very bad

they should not do this

[agile rune]

the stalker change is very good for drifter too

[finite patrol]

Viktor bloobute???

[agile void]

.....

[stable forum]

warden running directly at you with 64% debuff resist:

[agile void]

fuck I dont know how to feel about losing the range scaling

[vivid nimbus]

My gunVictor thoughts were ahead of my time

[stable forum]

'crowd control is a thing that affects other people'

[lavish grove]

Chat, how we feeling about the Victor changes?

[finite patrol]

like 2 days ahead of time lmao

[maiden ledge]

the range scaling was the entire reason i thought about picking up dynamo because that was rly annoying

[short quiver]

Any new voice lines?

[agile void]

WAIT WE CAN CLEAR STATUS?

WITH QUANTUM?

OHOHOHOHOHO

[maiden ledge]

oh wow

that's really good

[agile rune]

I'm interested to see whether the goose egg is actually worth running

[agile void]

I dont think so

-10 damage penalty

especially early

sounds like a death sentence

it might be worth midgame?

[rich grove]

on Rem

:v)

[finite patrol]

im gonna try it on the rat yeah

[vivid nimbus]

Some solid buffs in there, but I think jumpstart getting a longer base CD and T3 CD is gonna hurt

[stable forum]

goose egg seems fine??

[finite grotto]

our mcginnis bought it and at like minute 28 it was at 1280 souls or something

which is

alright i suppose?

[lavish grove]

Yah… I might start building cooldown on him

[random urchin]

Vindicta changes are awesome

Spirit scaling on base bullet damage I'm so happy

[agile void]

gentlemen

[stable forum]

it looks very much like a greed item

[agile void]

feel the thorns

we literally got the root of graves

on t3

FEEL THE KUDZUS

excuse me what?

we turn tether into a passive?

[stable forum]

oh good colossus now actually turns you into a giant punching machine

[vivid nimbus]

A lot of heroes lost the oddball range/duration spirit scaling on various abilities

[stable forum]

concern

[agile rune]

the moved billy ram cooldown from t1 to base, oh no

[agile void]

so

we cant use it as get out of jail free card

honestly, acceptable

[finite grotto]

i gotta try viscous now

[agile rune]

oh blasted no longer extends off bullets, just melee hmm

[mossy pine]

I appreciate being able to move seven ult from base now

[agile void]

oh

get the fuck in with this shit

[agile rune]

Ivy's taxi service

[agile void]

no

ivy murder delivery

[vestal trench]

was melee yama viable before because it definitely is now im excited it seems like everyones getting something im excited to try once i have time

holy WRAITH CARD RANDOM GAMBLING

[agile rune]

noticed they've added or increased the spirit scaling on a few characters that barely relied on it

[agile void]

this is important

[lavish shale]

Victor changes seem overall good to me, even if the aura taking a hit on damage smarts a bit

[agile void]

oh I can already tell lash is going to be a pain to get a hold on

[finite grotto]

it is really nice ya

[agile rune]

whoa whoa whoa rend tier 3 now lets drifter silence enemies with close range attacks

[finite grotto]

but the 3 nerfs do hurt quite a bit i think

[somber creek]

Victor now has to deal with Pocket though

[lavish shale]

yeah

but I'm just gonna ban Pocket and hope for the best

[finite grotto]

I am still on the fence if i like the full heal block more then losing the % dmg

[somber creek]

I did want to check what the maximum duration was

and it's like

24 seconds of no healing

[finite grotto]

that do be very long

ya that prob beats out losing the %

[vivid nimbus]

Deathy has just now finished reading the patch notes after 2.5 hours

[finite grotto]

oh i gotta watch the vod

[vivid nimbus]

He dual-streams on YT I'm pretty sure, which means you can watch the vod RN

[finite grotto]

LMAO

[lavish grove]

Yah honestly I can’t imagine pocket preventing all healing will last forever

That’s genuinely insane

[finite grotto]

ye thinking about it

[vestal trench]

wait how does wraith ult work now, is it like single target lash ult? HOLY HOLY

[finite grotto]

it becomes even more divine barrier or bust...

[somber creek]

I played them for the first time

and had a great time

[agile rune]

oh mirage is gonna be a duelling nightmare

[somber creek]

I think I'm gonna put them on rotation

[low sage]

I'm just gonna take victor off my rotation

[vivid nimbus]

Kinda yeah

[lavish shale]

I'm just banning Pocket and hopin for the best

[stable forum]

...vindicta's spirit scaling bullet damage thing is uhh

base
bullet damage????

[lavish grove]

Actually it shouldn’t be to bad due to the cleanse on his 2

[stable forum]

i think???

[finite grotto]

I am just excited as hell for yamato buffs 😌

[lavish shale]

since I'm basically a Victor onetrick

[lavish grove]

Victor genuinely still counters this

[lavish shale]

it's an ult

[vivid nimbus]

Only cleanses non-ult debuffs

[lavish shale]

can't cleanse it

[lavish grove]

Oh right

Ok yah that’s fucked

[vast sandal]

update just hit what's the changes

[vivid nimbus]

You need divine barrier or yamato ult to cleanse ults

[lavish shale]

so fucking much

[agile rune]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1422450/view/519740319207522795 big

[vast sandal]

no no

like

hotfix lol

[lavish shale]

oh lmao

[stable forum]

buy Divine Barrier now!!!

[agile rune]

I continue to move in nefarious ways

[lavish grove]

It’s especially crazy since like

Pocket’s whole kit got buffed too

That ult change, completely unnecessary to ensure their viability

[vivid nimbus]

Patch notes is 10.7k words when pasted into a text doc

[agile rune]

and a lot of it is buffs

[vivid nimbus]

Probably bugfixes

[stable forum]

also very noticably they uhh

let vindicta buy counterspell

very cool

...eshift makes noises now

[agile rune]

shiv losing 1 stamina hurts him a lot wow

[vivid nimbus]

Huh realized this is a buffnerf b/c some Apollos would use it for mobility

• Apollo: Riposte no longer triggers from trooper or neutral damage

B/c you could aggro a camp and then hit 2 for the boost

[vestal trench]

you could also parry walker with it, i assume not now?

[granite heath]

Vindicta: Flight now allows you to use melee

• Vindicta: Flight now allows parry to be used

• Vindicta: Flight now grants you +50% Item Cast Range
  This is huge for Melee Phanton Strike Vindicta I think

[lavish grove]

Nah you can still do that

[stable forum]

Vindicta gets a speed boost on kill during flight

i think it's like

because it recasts the ability essentially?

but like it's really scary

[lavish grove]

Man, I’m fine with most of the nerfs to Silver but I really don’t like the movement speed nerf in werewolf

It feels shitty when she’s already a 2 stamina character

[stable forum]

yeaa

[agile rune]

oh yamato being able to parry and power slash at once is cute

[lavish grove]

It isn’t too bad once you get to tier 2 werewolf and have some speed items

But like, it’s really noticeable early on

[ivory reef]

https://tenor.com/view/mina-ha-dance-gif-13782741236970276401

[stable forum]

mina has huge innate mobility

silver has 2 dashes which don't scale with ability range

[lavish grove]

Look I need to get close to people if I don’t have stamina all I can rely on is my innate speed

[stable forum]

my recommendation is kinetic dash + superior stamina

[ivory reef]

... mina has 2 dashes which don't scale with ability range, she uses sanguine to escape

[vestal trench]

sanguine retreat kinda got gutted tho thank god

[ivory reef]

you just buy stamina

[lavish grove]

Yah I do

But it’s still less then others

They have an extra stamina to escape

Which is a big difference

[ivory reef]

she has a leap in werewolf form and the kick in normal form right?

[lavish grove]

Yah but there’s a lot of characters with similar mobility abilities

[ivory reef]

I'm confused

I guess like. yes her innate mobility was brought down to everyone else's mobility? and you can kick the enemy into your team right

to force them to spend more stamina than you

[vestal trench]

abrams vortex web during ult....

[ivory reef]

the 180 kick is so strong

[lavish grove]

I mean specifically in her wolf form

I’m not talking about her human kit right now

[ivory reef]

I think you kinda have to think about both her kits together

[lavish grove]

I mean yah they compliment each other but a lot of time spent in wolf form is spent chasing people and this nerf makes that way harder

[agile rune]

gotta get on that ambush mindset

creep around corners

[lavish grove]

Also her moving so fast was one of the things I really like about her kit, flat out it was just fun

[ivory reef]

yeah I dunno what to say I think you should just chase better or not expect to 1v5 entire teams

[agile rune]

all characters are improved by ambushing

[lavish grove]

I mean I’m not expecting that like I said I’m fine with every nerf but the movement speed nerf

[agile rune]

magma never said the latter and the former is not exactly helpful

[vestal trench]

yeah warp stone, phantom striike seems important on her now

[lavish grove]

I already build warp stone on her

[vestal trench]

calico changes are interesting, extra money on slashkill,,,,,

[lavish grove]

Late game it’s fine because of the tier 2 upgrade and all of the movement speed items I build

[ivory reef]

okay. let me rephrase

[lavish grove]

But in lane before I have that stuff it really hurts my ability to get value out of wolf form

Which already can be difficult in an even or disadvantageous lane

[ivory reef]

movement speed is actually the weakest form of movement, to the point that we have entire videos about how movement speed is sort of a nothing stat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2UZBcRU0c8

like. the way people actually move is using slides, jumps, dashes, airdashes

watch the first 30 seconds of this video

0:19s is the only point move speed was checked

your chase actually objectively got better in wolf form

because you have a 0.5s longer slow

[vivid nimbus]

Or a full 2s longer with T3

[spring tundra]

Oh they fixed my problem with drifter

Where you can make someone count as isolated without them having to actually be

That’s nice

[stable forum]

not really

kick displaces but it doesn't displace that much

the biggest issue is Silver loses all of her range when she transforms

which means in order to engage a target, she needs to be right on top of them

wheras like mina can shoot them with her gun from 20 meters away or whatever

this is why Silver needs to buy lots of mobility and such

[stable forum]

not reallyyy

your ability to stay on someone is better

chase is slightly worse

[agile rune]

Silver goes from close range to closest range

[stable forum]

there's another +1.5s to the slow duration in there too

I think she's probably fine at sticking on top of people while tf'd still

[finite grotto]

ITS SO HUGE NOW LESGO

[stable forum]

durability nerfs are moderately big

[vestal trench]

i am so glad its not named kudzu bomb now

that always peeved me

like her name is ivy, why did you name it a different plant BUT HTEY CHANGED HER OTHER THING TO KUDZU

[stable forum]

silver's gun is actually fine out to 20 meters iirc

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1rmsrzm/the_lash_now_parries_with_his_luscious_pecs/

[stable forum]

I do think the tail whack duration stuff on her is good

[stable forum]

w h a t

hang on i now must put counterspell into all of my lash builds

[agile void]

THE LASH NOW PARRIES WITH HIS LUSCIOUS PECS

[finite patrol]

I already told you this

[vestal trench]

TICK TOCK HEAVY LIKE A BRINKS TRUCK

[stable forum]

yes but i didn't see it

[vestal trench]

LOOKING LIKE IM TIK TOCK

[vestal trench]

ivy connection ALWAYS ACTIVE???? t3

ok man

[lavish grove]

I think here’s my thing:

The durability nerfs were needed because objectively silver was overtuned, however, I think the movement speed nerfs feel bad to play by making her wolf form more all or nothing Early game. She has her dash and 2 stamina, so while yes the buff to her slow means she can stay on top of people for longer easier, what it doesn’t mean is that she can get to them easier. A big problem with silver’s laning phase is wasting Lycan Curse, as if it triggers in a bad spot it can be nearly impossible to get on someone before they’re able to get to safety. This movement speed nerf makes those situations more common, and that situation is when silver feels at her least fun to me

The cooldown nerf on Lycan curse not helping matters

[agile rune]

for my purposes: I do not actually think this patch buffed billy much but alternatively drifter is drifting all over them

much more capable in that off carry role

[frail jasper]

drifter is so stupidly fast with T1 ult

he's comin' atcha

[lavish grove]

Late game, this does not matter, because my silver build naturally includes stamina items, movement speed items and warp stone. The additional 2M is unnecessary and mostly gone due to dim menus Hong returns anyway

[vestal trench]

loving all of the debuff cleanse that is being handed out

[lavish grove]

But in laning phase, specifically when you unlock your ult but before any guardians are defeated, I think this nerf made her feel worse to play

[agile rune]

getting to scale off assists on isolated enemies is huge

[astral lava]

this patch seems to have extremely fucked up lampposts of all things? like i keep getting stuck Inside of them and climbing them

if you start climbing the middle of an object you normally slide off you do just die really

[vestal trench]

best change

[agile rune]

I liked bookwyrm more

[frail jasper]

Not needing to be the last hit either

[astral lava]

im neutral toward bookwyrm but kind of hate plot armor. reddit derived name change

[stable forum]

I think that it's probably fine. I don't like Lycan cooldown going up all the time

[stable forum]

this is good

I cannot confirm whether or not egg lets you convert souls to stats

it doens't appear to give you any buffs at all ever in the testing range

[astral lava]

very funny if the item just does not work

[vivid nimbus]

Reddit, or TV Tropes?

[vestal trench]

idk what to tell you she would be on reddit

[agile rune]

also the ult counting people as isolated, only slightly negative thing is the rend range change but on the other hand rend tier 3 lets you silence enemies with close range attacks, so like duelling king time

[vestal trench]

she'd be on "booktok"

[frail jasper]

Yeah drifter changes overall feel great

[rich grove]

rend swapping melee and spoirit damage seems pretty significant for his ability to stay around forever

[frail jasper]

Much better kit for "jump someone and kill them"

[rich grove]

because of how much his presence in lane especially depended on melee lifesteal

[stable forum]

...don't do that!

don't depend on melee lifesteal for lane prescence. Or, at least, not consistent hits of it against hostile heroes

heavy melee troopers!

[agile rune]

it still does melee at close range

[rich grove]

well when he was tagging people at 16 meters

with melee damage

that was significantly easier

[somber creek]

Man

[rich grove]

and now it is not doing that

[somber creek]

Pocket's arm looks broken

the one the holding the suitcase

[agile rune]

that was a playstyle I never felt was particularly successful anyway

[frail jasper]

Injured from the weight of all the frogs

[rich grove]

I mean primary green drifter with lifestrike clearly could work for people like lystic

[somber creek]

I will also say that I do think movespeed is particularly useful on Silver

[rich grove]

lifestrike is just a broken item and being able to hit it at 16 meters unparryably is good

50% slow on that character is nuts

[somber creek]

because you want to be M1-ing people a ton

[frail jasper]

Melee lifesteal was really good but prone to failing if you were getting troopers instead of just heroes (30hp vs 100). It's probably still okay but I think extra regen has a bit more value over it. You still can do melee lifesteal at 8m though so it kinda works

[vestal trench]

over all this seems really fun, or at least enough to mix things up

[agile rune]

I'm still moving in nefarious ways, do not worry

[lavish grove]

Yah the cooldown is another thing that annoys me but I’m kinda focused on the movement speed because even if it’s probably her nerf that changes her viability the least, I think it makes her lane phase less fun to play

[agile rune]

I think that pocket is probably gonna rule over this patch with an iron fist

[lavish grove]

Yah seriously

[stable forum]

buy divine barrier!!

[lavish grove]

Everything is stronger… and their ult that was already good is even better

I seriously cannot imagine a world where turning off healing stays tbh

[stable forum]

alternatively simply have a billion debuff resist

[lavish grove]

Even if divine barrier can counter it

[somber creek]

Divine barrier can't counter turning off your gameplan too well

[lavish grove]

Yah

Like, besides Victor this makes affliction a death sentence for like… most tanks in this game

[finite grotto]

infernus ult with range extension now covers basically the entire reju room lol

[lavish grove]

Pretty much all of them relied more on healing then resistance

[somber creek]

Which tbf

they've also been dominant for months

so having a counterpick isn't the worrst

[lavish grove]

That’s true yah

But affliction was already good against them

Idk if it needs to be crippling

[agile rune]

I'm not saying it's a bad thing, and I appreciate a high skill demand character being the best

[lavish grove]

(Also in general a moba relying on a single overpowered character to counter an entire genre of character who is also overpowered is never a good thing)

(Counterpicking can exist but maybe not 1 person vs an entire archetype)

[stable forum]

hm, affliction is still 4ish seconds with 60+% debuff resist

[stable forum]

but also like

[astral lava]

?? his 1 did the melee damage at range? i thought it was already just in the close range lol

[stable forum]

yeah affliction screws over frontliners yeah

but like...

[lavish grove]

Doesn’t this turn off infernal resilience as well?

[stable forum]

oh it's still 10 second duration with this wow

[stable forum]

yes

[lavish grove]

Yah 10 seconds is more then enough to murder Abrams without healing 5 times over

[stable forum]

i'm highlighting the debuff resist abrams can get

[astral lava]

also like yeah pocket ult turns off healing now. also it doesnt do the giant burst damage it did before

[stable forum]

warden's is a bit better

[somber creek]

It also can't proc spirit burn

[lavish grove]

That’s true but they increased the burst damage of the rest of their kit substantially

[somber creek]

no matter how high you stack it

[astral lava]

oh did they call that out specifically? nice

[stable forum]

since warden is up at like 64%-70% debuff resist

[somber creek]

No

It just doesn't

I tested it

[stable forum]

and has the big shield

[somber creek]

You can'tt get the DPS high enough to proc

[stable forum]

it calls out that it doesn't proc items

I'd assume that it includes spirit burn

[astral lava]

for the best

[stable forum]

pocket can just proc spirit burn with other things and hit you with affliction

and spirit burn lasts like 12s?

no, only like 10.2 with duration

[lavish grove]

Yah with the new spirit scaling on their coat and better damage amp on barrage I don’t think pocket is now hurting for burst damage

[astral lava]

hm. weird stealth change to not put in the patch notes to make it not do items

[stable forum]

it's been like that forever

it's not new

[astral lava]

i've died too many times to spirit burn on the zipline for that to be true

[stable forum]

they procs spirit burn with something else

then spirit burn lasts 10.2 seconds

[lavish grove]

I’ll give it a few days but I imagine pocket will be running the show in a bit

If I’m wrong… idk

I’ll keep playing em

I wanted to learn them anyway and they’re better

[somber creek]

I mean there's no way of knowing what's meta now

like 10 characters got reworked

[stable forum]

there was a lot of buffs

[lavish grove]

That’s true yah

Maybe I’m being to focused on like

Obviously strong stuff

[somber creek]

Billy can now do fuckloads of damage

[lavish grove]

There is always the distinct possibility a random unassuming numbers change makes it so Grey Talon, a character who wasn’t changed, is now the best in the game

That tends to be the case with mobas

[stable forum]

tbh the Vindicta buffs are the most interesting to me

[lavish grove]

Shit tricks down hard

[somber creek]

Viscous fist now is like 50% bigger

[stable forum]

oh wraith's telekinesis not being a projectile is also really cool

[lavish grove]

My friend who’s a doorman main made this in reaction to the changes

[plain furnace]

Just barely won against the most unhinged calico ever

ARGL

[vivid nimbus]

Pfft, patch notes are so long, the scripts on the wiki give up before it gets to the end

[lavish grove]

Lol

[autumn field]

I NEED to doorman in street brawl

[lavish grove]

He’s crazy now

[autumn field]

the doorchain is gonna hit like a monster

[lavish grove]

Genuinely

[autumn field]

like slowing hex or whatnot

then you just spam one person 5000 times

[lavish grove]

Removing stamina when you enter the baroness makes it so much scarier early game

Stunning you if you fail makes it even more

Making him unstoppable the entire time even more

[feral umbra]

Goo Ball could carry the urn?!?!

[lavish grove]

Yah

[autumn field]

wait wdym removing stamina

[lavish grove]

The tier 1 upgrade now removes a stamina bar when you enter

Like warden alchemical flask

[autumn field]

oh what the fuck man

he's op as shit then

trans cd + slowing hex + more slows, blah blah blah

perma-door one guy

[merry verge]

Doorman is gonna take your ass from your Walker to his Base

[stable forum]

okay they did unhinged things to warden and he is now Very Silly

[somber creek]

Doorman hates women

confirmed

[stable forum]

i don't think that was in doubt, doorman hates everyone

he's a professional hater, I suspect

[magic summit]

You never could

[somber creek]

People clarified

yes

[magic summit]

Even the initial current health burst didn't proc any items on Affliction

[merry verge]

Yam adjustments are.. interesting

[plain furnace]

Paige's dragon have been renamed "Bookwyrm"
And her shield is "Plot Armor"

[finite grotto]

she feels so good

[late hare]

yippee it looks like most of my characters aren’t changed and got better if they did

Bebop, Paige, Dynamo, Talon, McG, and Geist mostly

sometimes Seven and Mo + Krill

[finite grotto]

would be fun if spirit geist is again a good build on her

[plain furnace]

It seems McG has more space to make a turret build

• Vindicta: Flight now allows you to use melee

Lol. "The flying ghost sniper just punched me"

[merry verge]

Drifter seems kind of terrifying, that is a lot of silence on a not-long cooldown

[random urchin]

I've always wanted to punch a Grey talon

[plain furnace]

Also, it's telling that all characters, even the most recent ones, have multiple lines of update
Meanwhile,

[agile rune]

yes it's my world now

[merry verge]

Gonna miss those melee lifesteal procs in lane but his regen + extra regen remains silly

[vivid nimbus]

Bebop has one change, while Grey Talon, Holliday, Sinclair, Venator, and Vyper have none

Well, except for all the ult changes affecting Sinclair

[agile rune]

I mean you still get them from greater than melee range

[merry verge]

Yeaaah but you could really snipe 'em out from nearly under tower

Which was probably too good

[agile rune]

every other change for drifter is horrifying

I'll take a nerf on something the character shouldn't have been able to do anyday

[plain furnace]

Oh, ok, thanks for the clarification

"Sinclair got updated !"
"What ?"
"Well, they added a new character"

[agile rune]

don't even have to do that

any ult change is a sinclair change

[agile void]

Also I cannot emphasize how funny it is that wraith ult was changed AGAIN and became a mini lash ult

on top of her 1 becoming a gambling thing even harder

[vivid nimbus]

I’ve heard you can combo her teleport into ult but haven’t tested it yet

But if so has definite silly potential

[lavish grove]

Billy's jacket has an Omega before Men

this is in reference to Billy being an omega

[autumn field]

ok doorman chaining is fucking hilarious

[errant sphinx]

having played the new patch my conclusion is that yamato 2 no longer feels terrible to use so thats tight

[vivid nimbus]

Okay found something very funny on Mirage

If you max 3 and have 4.8k in spirit items, 5 stacks does like 1k damage

(For testing I used Suppressor, Quicksilver Reload, and Compress Cooldown)

[lavish shale]

Mirage moment yeah

[autumn field]

Lore accurate doorman tfw

[agile rune]

mirage looks like a monster

[shy quiver]

https://bsky.app/profile/rattlegeist.bsky.social/post/3mgfywgwqcs2i
holy shit rattlegeist art

Geist (@rattlegeist.bsky.social)

She smells like peppermint. #deadlock #moonshine

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[vivid nimbus]

On the flip side, with transc CD he takes 132s to recharge 4 scarabs

[autumn field]

132???

thats a whole fucking ultimate

[vestal trench]

this honestly makes me assume these are the ones most about to get overhauls viisually or otherwise beyond the padre

sorry idk why i screenshooted instead of replying, brainfart

[errant sphinx]

I hope they don't remove the texture less faceless Sinclair thing

[vestal trench]

i enjoyed the concept of that mod where they had an ENA style face even if i thought the overall design was a bit much

[errant sphinx]

I'm the number 1 current Sinclair and yamato design shooter

[agile rune]

I think current sinclair looks really good and fitting, do folks want it changed?

[agile rune]

could also be a thing where the team considers them mostly balanced or likely to be highly impacted by the changes to other characters and want to see how that shit goes

[vestal trench]

actually true i think sinclair balance has a lot to do with how he works now that others ults are changed

she would be buffed or nerfed in response

[agile rune]

yeah, any change to another characters ult changes what they have going on

[errant sphinx]

I think current Sinclair animations are definitely not finished

Mostly his walk cycle

He has like 0 hip movement while walking it's very unnatural

[agile rune]

they're a ghost

posessing a mannequin

[errant sphinx]

oh i didnt know that

idk any lore

[vestal trench]

i want the unique animation punch to be a rabbit out of a hat, number one

[errant sphinx]

i guess that makes more sense but i still dont think its communicated well through the walk