Deadlock

[autumn field]

eternal gift is so fucking OP lol

[frail jasper]

the roles have been reversed, rem chasing pocket across the rooftops just going WHAP WHAP WHAP WHAP

[astral lava]

playing against abrams... 🪦

[vast sandal]

@ivory reef I hit my first certified Doorman clip

[astral lava]

no reason for him to be a league of legends character rn. tank-carry

so does low priority queue actually exist in this game or did they get rid of that when they stopped frogging cheaters

[ivory reef]

LOLLLLLLLLL

[ivory reef]

1. what is up with your lighting damn something weird goign on there in the recording
2. put this on youtube or somewhere actually accessible in the future haha

[vast sandal]

yeah I guess I should finally make a youtube channel

also: the fucking Drifter ult glitched the lighting

[hallow zenith]

Hm

Ties in with a question I was considering

Does anyone have advice for... how to use Doors?

[vast sandal]

Yes, lots

[terse aspen]

Do this

[vast sandal]

Doors are extremely powerful and you should be using them a lot: in lane you can use them to teleport a lane partner with a strong gun to the enemy high-ground and give them a very strong poking position, to create flanking angles and undermine enemy cover, or place a door under your guardian/walker and throw enemies through the opposite side to put them into an extremely perilous position

If your lane partner has Bebop hook or Paradoxical Swap that’s even more opportunities to drag them through and into the garbage disposal, stuns and knock-ups also set up easy carts that send your opponents to hell

[rich grove]

ever since the changes to how doors affect falloff, placing doors deep in enemy side of lane is even more annoying than ever *if your lane partner is a gun-dependent character

you do noticeably more damage

and of course you yourself do a fair amount more

the threat of door also often makes it difficult to pop healing rite

they healing rite in shop, you door right behind them and shoot them, they spent 800 souls for +30 hp

[vast sandal]

You can also, of course, use a “garbage disposal” door to rescue a teammate, so placing your door into a safe exit point allows you to pull them out of bad situations

Also you can door into their shop and harass the shit out of them yes

[rich grove]

dinging them as they go to buy is super painful

[vast sandal]

If you have a close-range or melee range lane partner there’s other devious options for doors, mostly just surprise shortcuts for your lane partner to emerge from and kill them randomly

[rich grove]

you can also get in and out fast if you're e.g. on the right-hand side of the map, where your opponents have a small camp and you have mediums

[vast sandal]

Vyper especially benefits from the ability to suddenly appear and then disappear in inter dimensional drive-by shootings

[rich grove]

you door from one pylon of the bridge to the left-side entrance of their small camp

[vast sandal]

You can also use doors to undermine a strong position - if they take the high ground and start sniping, you can safely assail them through a high ground door and take your lane back that way

[rich grove]

all of a sudden now they have to deal with you contesting them for what should be a steady soul advantage

door from lane -> vent to bridge buffs to expedite your rollout

[vast sandal]

For taking objectives or split pushing, doors allow you to always have an exit strategy: Doorman has strong wave clear potential with his call bells, and if the enemy appears to stop your push you can just vanish to who-knows-where and close the door shut behind you

You can also use this to push with an ally who has less cooldown-dependent pushing power and really pressure objectives without risking your neck

[rich grove]

because of how the map bottlenecks as you get closer to each side's base, doorman can also very quickly transfer a walker push from one side lane to mid and take 2 objectives where you could only take 1 before

[vast sandal]

Urn is regrettably not amenable to being shoved through inter dimensional gaps but you can cheese it a little with ally-targeting carts

[rich grove]

the amount of overshield you get on door is also pretty stupid

it's just a massive team HP buff if you get the squad to at least dip in and out of your door

[vast sandal]

But the big thing you can do with doors come mid-game is make teamfighting really noxious for your enemies: you can dispose of entire chunks of the enemy team as I did in that one clip by using Vortex Web, create insane flanking angles for your team to emerge from pincer the enemy, expedite your laggard teammates’ arrival to objectives, or simply evict the enemy team from midboss and slam the door on them

[rich grove]

mid is doorman's killer app now that urn isn't deliverable with doors

with good timing you can at worst, stun every person trying to punch the rejuv, and at best abduct them

[vast sandal]

You can still cheese it a little by sending an ally carrying urn through a door by force

The urn drops on the opposite side if you do that

But on mid you can just kidnap the enemy from their hard-earned Rejuvenator and pilfer it, it’s hilarious

[rich grove]

the arena is literally set up perfectly with a wall on every side for you to cart stun

and they're high enough for you to put doors

people will just neatly arrange themselves in a nice bowling alley-shaped formation for you

[vast sandal]

And curiously it’s exactly one Vortex Web in radius

[rich grove]

What Did Yoshi Mean By This

[vast sandal]

The Vortex Web combos on Doorman are never to be ignored, by the by

It’s an item that turns Doorman into a menace for just one member of the enemy team unless you’re rather canny, to a truly universal manifestation of despair and frustration

5-man cart stuns are both real and game-changing

[low sage]

[hallow zenith]

Hm

I guess

That sounds like a lot and I don't know if I know the map well enough to do that so I suppose I should have worded the question better, Advice on how to practise getting good at doing all of that?

[vast sandal]

Play a lot.

[rich grove]

uhhhhhhh

yeah

the only way to practice is practice

[vast sandal]

You just need to play all the situations, a lot, to get a sense of how your doors can make an impact

Talk with your teammates

Coordination makes Doorman 200% stronger

[hallow zenith]

Fair enough

[agile rune]

To a certain point just playing and getting reps and familiarity is the only way to improve

[vast sandal]

Ask your lane partner if they want flanks, firing positions, invasion doors, etc

[agile rune]

Past that is specialised practice and that way lies madness

[rich grove]

there is a simple rule of thumb of "before you go do anything risky, put a door somewhere safer"

[agile rune]

Popping folks out of cover timed with ally going sicko

[vast sandal]

You can do a little specialized practice by just doing Explore New York mode and exploring potential doors with various items

Which is really more noodling around to see what works than hardcore practice

[agile rune]

Just like real New York, you will be disappointed

[vast sandal]

Doorman’s doors are never disappointing

[rich grove]

"I'm going to push in with my wave close to their walker. Before I do that, I will place a door closer to my side of the map."
"I want to dive the opponent's guardian with teammate as we have them low. Before I do that, I'm gonna put a door near our shop."
then as soon as things get hairy, you can mash door as you're running away and have an escape ready

this is a primarily defensive use of the tool and will not teach you how to use it offensively, but staying alive is the most straightforward way to generate more value as doorman

[vast sandal]

Defensive doors will make you die FAR less

And dying less means more carts and more bells

[agile rune]

Using door as a peeking tool is also always an option but that’s fairly situational

[hallow zenith]

It'll also probably help with getting doors on my mental stack and being able to intuit the range on them, both of which I think I need to get better at being able to do before I can start using them more

[vast sandal]

Bonus points: you can start pulling your friends out of hairy situations too and then they owe you their lives (you just generated HELLA value as Doorman)

[rich grove]

yeah

just get in the habit of using them at all

imo

and then you'll probably start going "oh, this is the perfect spot" all by yourself because you're training to use the kit

and you're instinctively looking for good door spots

[vast sandal]

The first thing to do is start placing one door in an advantageous spot for what you’re gonna do next, then look around and see where you can place them by pressing 2 and just not putting it down

That’s a great way to start feeling it out

[rich grove]

I would also recommend putting them on quick cast (hold to see the places you can put them, release to actually place)

makes it wayyyy easier to check your gut on where a door can go, and thus also if you're venturing out of your safe zone

[vast sandal]

When you’re doing something risky get in the habit of checking if you’re in door radius

If not, cancel your previous door and go set another exit

[rich grove]

yup

move that gear up

[vast sandal]

That there wasn’t getting any lighter

[rich grove]

or at least be aware that you're far away from home and can get dove hard

[agile rune]

As a support it’s also just always important to coordinate, even mediocre placement is a lot better if your allies know of it

[hallow zenith]

Thank you

[rich grove]

you are mostly not rich enough to man fight most dedicated combat characters, so if there's trouble and you're far away from a door, you need to scram immediately more times than not

because where there's one there will soon be two, or that one will have slow hex and knockdown, or-

[agile rune]

Proactive vs reactive gameplay

[vast sandal]

A lot of Doorman ults get spent on solo assassins who think Doormen are free kills

It doesn’t have to be that way (but this is still a worthy ult use)

[rich grove]

and then as you get more and more comfortable duelling and using your kit, feel free to disregard this advice

[agile rune]

Best used in taking a carry out of a team fight while you explode the rest of their team

IMO

[rich grove]

we're just trying to give you training wheels that you can actually implement

[vast sandal]

The sweetest Doorman ult of them all is seeing Silver ult start up and immediately locking her up

NOPE

[vivid nimbus]

Fun fact I'm the Seven in this clip

[vast sandal]

No channeled ults, no Silver, no fucking Change Da World Warden, none of that

You’re going to jail

[agile rune]

Welcome to the hotel California

[vast sandal]

Bonus points if you toss a Slowing Hex on first so they also lose like half their HP as well as their ult cooldown, hopes, dreams, etc.

[rich grove]

BABY IM distant muffled noises

[agile rune]

The slowing in is taking a risk

That’s time

[vast sandal]

It has longer range than ult

You tag them as you close in for the slam dunk

[agile rune]

Interesting

I’m not a doormain

[vast sandal]

If a Doorman is running at you and a Slowing Hex comes out of them, be advised they are about to send you to your room

[vivid nimbus]

Yay unstoppable

[vast sandal]

I think Hotel Guesting channeled ults is ridiculously satisfying, the best ones are tagging like

[rich grove]

I mean if a doorman is running at you in general

[vast sandal]

Death Slam

[rich grove]

there's not really anything else they want to do lol

[vast sandal]

Or Infernus nuke

[rich grove]

he's such a zoner regularly

[vast sandal]

There is one possibility

[rich grove]

How To Approach A Waifish Twink While He Is Holding Hotel Cart And Three Bells

[vast sandal]

Which is that they’re trying to Luggage Cart you somewhere in specific

[vivid nimbus]

Lining up a door-cart, yeah

[vast sandal]

And therefore need to be on top of you

[rich grove]

see I find that sometimes getting too close is a problem because any change in their position = a bigger swing in where you're looking

but thats fair

[vast sandal]

Really you should just Knockdown someone if you gotta send em to eeby deeby

[magic summit]

I love Deadlock

[rich grove]

i don't play kelvin just because i might do this

[finite patrol]

that was a friendly dome?

[rich grove]

fair but I've done this as a non-friendly

no worse feeling

[finite patrol]

yeah...

[gray otter]

NICE

[vast sandal]

I posted the video up somewhere in da thread

[earnest verge]

dome definitely has a lot of funny potential

attempted ganks gone horribly awry, ults averted, teammates betrayed...

[agile rune]

venator ult goes through dome

[finite patrol]

arbams 🤤

[agile rune]

apparently some new characters leaked on the test server?

if true, exciting

[autumn field]

Yeah new leak based on the chats

[agile rune]

chats?

oh you mean in different servers

if they are right and do come to the game, I think I have my third

[autumn field]

Yeah I don’t know who but there are leaks is what I know

[frail jasper]

ooo new intel...

[vast sandal]

do share

[agile rune]

https://youtu.be/eECMVbi6S8g?si=cW2whpYD5zHNoweZ here's the video that I saw, ignore the clickbait title

[autumn field]

fun ideas

[agile rune]

I don't need drifter 2: this time it's spirit but the ratbag is up my alley

[autumn field]

i want someone with gun that scales off spirit and spirit that scales off green and green that scales off spirit

or some nonsense thats really big on "everything you have scales with everything"

[agile rune]

so funnily enough

[autumn field]

kinda like how billy has heals off blasted, builds melee, gets lifestrike and spirit snatch for his 1, etc

[agile rune]

venator defence scales off spirit

he scales bullet and spirit defence off his spirit

[autumn field]

i want more spirit on vendator for that reason

i mean he's already hella evil with echo shard

but that's because you made abrams 2 into a shotgun

[agile rune]

abrams has a shotgun functionally

[autumn field]

yeah

[agile void]

pretty sure that is a compromise since I think the only worth spirit item you can get on him is duration and charges once you max grenades

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1rj0yj4/task_failed_successfully/

does this count as white woman moment or a lesbian moment?

[undone galleon]

well theyre both white women

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1ritbry/the_case_of_the_missing_pillow/

another thing comint from the random "rem is the detective"

spoilering because of "Tie" stuff, if you played disco elysium you probably know what I mean with that

[quiet sapphire]

THERE MUST BE ANOTHER WAY INTO THE BARONESS.

[agile void]

||https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1rj0y0m/someone_made_the_disco_elysium_rem_skin/||

Also Rem going fascist on his killstreak

[warm sonnet]

Now they need a skin where he shaves

[vestal hearth]

White woman moment?

[agile void]

the monster fucker energy

[vestal hearth]

This reminds me of some art.

Of werewolf flirting.

[agile void]

jesus christ the misoginy

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1rjegc3/the_female_player_experience/

[somber creek]

the audio isn't worrking so I'll assume it's bad

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah it's bad

"||And MnK is 3/11 but he's a man so he gets a pass||" is an excerpt and not the worst of it

[somber creek]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1rjltlx/pov_haze_is_your_lane_partner/

this is fucking funny to me

Straight Ahead Haze Can't Hurt You:

[vivid nimbus]

Seven: [cautiously reaches for it]
Haze: [slaps his hand away] "No not you"

[vast sandal]

we don't have a Haze / MnK interaction yet and I think it would be extremely funny if Haze was like "listen you guys, I know like you feel there's no place for you except in the subway tunnels, but what if I told you the OSIC-" and they just laugh in her face

[somber creek]

We do have Haze / MnK

[vast sandal]

Wait yeah we do

[somber creek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6TPyDTvcio

[vast sandal]

Okay but still she should try to give them the hard sell

[somber creek]

That's how we know Haze calls him "Momo"

[vast sandal]

It would be funny

[somber creek]

is this an old Haze VA

she sounds completely different

[vivid nimbus]

It's the same lines and delivery but with different post-processing

Current audio for the first convo, for comparison: https://deadlock.vlviewer.com/conversations/e4b7b9a7a8b1a4f705c068f82629c1ec/

[somber creek]

huh, weird

[finite grotto]

goid i hate being in an apollo lane as pocket

[tidal elm]

I hate being in an apollo lane*

[finite patrol]

honestly if I picked pocket and my lane opponent is apollo or celeste id ask for a lane swap

[finite grotto]

i did 😔

extremely rough game

actually weathered the early well but then uh

a couple of people really wanted to die in the sidelane a lot and snowballed ensured

[astral lava]

love this awesome crash that makes me have to redownload the entire game when it claims it's just "validating files"

now down to 3 mins

[somber creek]

Happened to me too

[astral lava]

happens semi regularly. unknown what causes it but it sure happens in teamfights

god i wish there was a real way to view the length of venator's 2. i keep missing it

[granite heath]

Venator 2 is lore accurate by being a test of faith

[vast sandal]

Ok I’m sick of my Holliday player friend telling me Paradox’s swap is better than lasso

[mild flume]

yeah I guess I have too much faith then

[vast sandal]

Am I tripping when I say that lasso is the pick-kill of all time

And none of the other pick kill ults do it like lasso

[merry verge]

Mo might be on top just for like simplicity and reliability but nothin is doin it like Lasso

[vast sandal]

Yeah okay

I was just

About to blow a gasket when I heard “Paradox ult is Holliday’s but better, you get to swap through the wall for free”

[twilit roost]

Paradox swap has the big advantage of being ranged and not having to be in someone's face

[vast sandal]

I HAVE TO DIE

[mild flume]

they all have different ups and downs

[rich grove]

holliday could never hit you with abilities while lassoing-

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAT

[rich grove]

what are we ON about 😭

[vast sandal]

Lasso goes pretty far

[twilit roost]

? Do I really need to specify the range of a paradox swap is tons better than holiday not literally one is ranged and one isnt

[quiet sapphire]

guys are vengeful spirit and batrider the same character??

[somber creek]

The problem is that paradox isnt a character that wants to be in the middle of the enemy team

[rich grove]

i've never once gone "oh that character is so far away, i wish i could swap them instead" because at some point the swap is just gambling even with carbine

or they are so far away you would kill yourself and go even instead of 1 for 0 anyway

[twilit roost]

That's it another 3% damage nerf to paradoxs carbine, yoshi overheard you

[astral lava]

does billy ult still go off if he's stunned or petrified? wack

[rich grove]

i think the actual advantage off the top of my head is just raw cd in the case of paradox

[merry verge]

Billy Ult continuing or not is one of those things that feels whimsical as hell

Sometimes a lamppost breaks the chain sometimes it pulls me back through doorman doors

[rich grove]

that and the secondary stuff around the setup being more reliable because timestop is fucked up but that's kind of tangential

[astral lava]

is his ult still tied to his camera and not actual line of sight?

just spent an entire billy ult behind a wall and got puled anyway lol

[lavish shale]

that reminds me that I still find it so weird that Rem ult goes through walls

[astral lava]

praying the afk timer finally activates and we can leave this awful match

[vivid nimbus]

Spirit Lasso is 20m range, Paradoxical Swap is 25m range (40m at T3)

[quiet sapphire]

rem can be in tunnels and ult you under walker

[vivid nimbus]

So until you put points in swap it's only a little better

[astral lava]

finally

[vivid nimbus]

But yeah Swap CD is great, it's 75s at T0 (pretty good), 60s at T1 (even better!)

[astral lava]

Idk what im doing wrong on viper, every time ones in my game they go crazy the whole time then I play her and accomplish nothing even while sliding

[vast sandal]

hit n run

[merry verge]

Bully with knives in early, bully with ult in late

idk how they all farm so damn much

[finite patrol]

spelling her name

vyper will take a few games to pick up

[finite patrol]

lethal venom t3 + split shot

[merry verge]

i'm always happy to see split shot gettin use

such a weird thing

[magic summit]

I think a crucial detail left out of the above discussion is that Holliday ult is a long single target stun

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah Lasso and Swap are both really good pick abilities in their own niche

[magic summit]

Paradoxs is better as a 1v1 tool but Holliday with any team coordination is stronger. Which isn't that hot a take considering swap barely has a cooldown

[astral lava]

the knives dont feel like they hurt that much

[vivid nimbus]

Holliday also gets to take you on a little trip if she has the schmoves for it

[astral lava]

broadly i have little capacity to do the mental math of "is this going to actually hurt this person"

[autumn field]

i just had the worlds greatest 7 game

i had like, 0 fucking weaknesses

this plus spirit resil vs spirit team meant i had functionally infinite healing

[astral lava]

praying. PRAYING. abrams gets some gun nerfs

[finite patrol]

you dont like the tanky assassin/initiator character being able to solo one clip a walker at 20min?

[astral lava]

he's a league of legends character yeah

the main Insane Design Decision i forever associate with league is that they're constantly trying to make tanks do huge damage

[vivid nimbus]

LoL's trying to balance the edge of tanks that have reason to shoot at them without hard aggro systems, and low damage high CC tanks are aggravating for other reasons

It's not a constant issue IMO but it's a recurring one

[errant sphinx]

I feel like all the deadlock tanks also do a lot of damage

[vivid nimbus]

Because at the end of the day, if you're unkillable but don't do damage, who cares? Just shoot all your friends first

[vast sandal]

Eh

There’s bruisers and there’s disrupters amongst Deadlock tanks

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah, the high-damage ones and the high-CC ones

[vast sandal]

Disrupters have CC, bruisers have sustained damage output

[astral lava]

they also have cc too, is the thing

[errant sphinx]

I mean that's the same in league right

[vast sandal]

Abrams has both because uhhh

[vivid nimbus]

I also won't dispute that Abrams is overtuned

[vast sandal]

He’s a big guy.

He’s just a large lad like that

[vivid nimbus]

TBF, half his damage is in his ability to heavy melee you while he just CC'd you

The other half is in his gun

[astral lava]

the only characters i would call like. "Tank-y". are abrams, billy, victor, shiv. and victor is unambiguously mostly a carry he just also builds a lot of hp and heals

shiv stands around and slaps the shit outta you

[vivid nimbus]

Yamato can be like that too if built for it

[vast sandal]

Yamato is beefy, Bebop can be pretty thicc

[errant sphinx]

Victor lowkey be doing a lot of damage!!!

[vast sandal]

Victor’s a weird guy, he’s a carry whose durability also scales

[magic summit]

Dynamo Abrams Bebop I think are the three highest health characters

[rich grove]

victor's durability directly = damage because of 3

[vivid nimbus]

AIUI Lady Geist used to be another drain tank a year or so ago

[magic summit]

I do agree that Abrams needs less damage for someone with 2 hard stuns in his kit

[vast sandal]

Bebop is, infuriatingly, a spirit nuker with a side order of melee brawler

[rich grove]

lady geist now just kills you with her gun

[vivid nimbus]

But nerfs pushed Geist towards gun builds, yeah

[rich grove]

that and tbh just the preponderance of antiheal

[twilit roost]

Witchmail tank bop my beloved

[astral lava]

gun geist is honestly more fun to me than spirit geist ever was

[vast sandal]

Look, if they don’t itemize against Geist it’s their fault

[errant sphinx]

Gun Geist is too hard for me to play 😭

[astral lava]

i do remember when mystic reverb did like 600 damage on her 3

[magic summit]

2 hard stuns and the difficulty of landing one is nullified by phantom strikes existence

[astral lava]

bebop they gotta do something. he doesn't need a bomb. he's a pit fighter. give him something funnier

[vivid nimbus]

Not that Geist got gun buffs, she just always had a good gun but was viable as a tank instead (like Viscous builds shifting into gun in Dec 2025)

[vast sandal]

Bebop’s staying on my ban list forever

They can make him the worst hero

I’ll still ban him

[errant sphinx]

Lady Geist is one of my fav chars so I'm kinda sad my aim is too ass on her to play gun well

[magic summit]

Victor i find funny because his health scaling is actually on the low end

So sometimes you can just

Kill him instantly

[twilit roost]

The bomb is bait anyway, that's on people not buying dispell. Real strength is his hook

Bomb is still very fun though

[rich grove]

you probably just want to buy counterspell now

[magic summit]

After the last two nerfs to stop it from doing 2000 damage, yeah

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah I played a game recently where a teammate died to Victor and was like "oh god he's so scary" and then I had to defend walker vs him...

[rich grove]

i'm not worried about me getting hit by bomb

i'm worried about the guy who has fed him 85 bomb stacks running back into me

[finite grotto]

Is spirit bomb bepop like even his best build?

[vivid nimbus]

But I melt him before he reaches the walker and was like "oh right I have healbane and toxic already"

[finite grotto]

his gun is so good!

[twilit roost]

I am excited to see how they'll rework bebop again this week

[rich grove]

idk but it's really annoying

[finite grotto]

I do really like gun bepop with capacitor, fleetfoot etc

1 spam with the heal is 😌

rainbow bepop

[twilit roost]

Funniest thing they could do is switch the bomb with him launching his big mine fist at you that stuns if you get knocked into a wall

[rich grove]

venator... 2

[twilit roost]

But the same range as his hook of course

A whole new dimension to complain about

[finite patrol]

imagine playing against echo slam abrams and echo shot venator

[astral lava]

its one of those things where his best build is something else but bomb build is extremely effective vs 70% of all players

[rich grove]

yeah in pooplo it's just like welp

[astral lava]

crazy they made dispel magic just drop it on the ground so you can still just get hit by it

[rich grove]

he's going to have echo shard by 10 minutes somehow and he's going to be server admin while the rest of us have to grind up to spellbreaker

[mint latch]

Can I post art I found here?

[finite patrol]

if you link the source of course

[mint latch]

Aight

https://taffybuns.tumblr.com/post/810080240341745664/i-wanna-pass-paige-around-like-a-blunt

☆☆☆

i wanna pass paige around like a blunt

-# #deadlock #paige #celeste #lilah silver #mina ha #soupdoodles #this is how im dealing with my terrible laning phases hashtag inner peace

Tumblr · Mar 3, 2026, 3:45 PM

[finite patrol]

a weed bunt

[rich grove]

this is my threestack

and yes, they all smoke weed

[mint latch]

They definitely all smoke weed

[astral lava]

silver is a chronic pain weed smoker

what on earth are these images from

I of course know the famous weed smoking girlfriends post by jory

[finite patrol]

polygoyf polycule

[rich grove]

these are goyfs

[finite patrol]

thresh's kin

[rich grove]

[astral lava]

no respect for lhurgoyf and tarmogoyf? smh

[finite patrol]

these are the ones from mh3 and its commander sets.

[rich grove]

you mean the new legacy-exclusives right

[finite patrol]

:barrowgrin:

[somber creek]

Monster Hunter had commander sets?

[upbeat perch]

isn't commander set the name the english localization team seems to have stuck with for the "fast catch up to G rank" set?

[plain furnace]

Mh3 is for Modern Horizons 3, a set of magic

[somber creek]

I also do not think Bebop really has any defined role

Considering his kit does just buff every possible build in some tiny way

[vast sandal]

so Celeste's gun doesn't fall off and has weird bouncy stuff going on huh

[finite grotto]

ya

its so annoying in lane

[frail jasper]

It bounces, and it has a "pierce" where if you hit A then it will auto aim to hit B who was standing behind A

[vast sandal]

it's also really slow, huh

[frail jasper]

So you have to be mindful of positioning and also don't stand behind the guardian in lane

[vast sandal]

I was debating with a friend over the Gun Celeste angle

[frail jasper]

There's some good gun items but mostly in reload and fire rate

Spellslinger late

[somber creek]

I also think Abrams might be the only real dedicated tank in the game besides maybe like

Viscous?

I wouldnt call silver or Billy a tank

[frail jasper]

Nah viscous isn't really tank, he's just disruptive

[somber creek]

Well what is a tank in a game with no hard aggro mechanics

[finite grotto]

I do think high velocity first item for celeste in lane is really nice

[mild flume]

I think the most low damage tanky char is m+k

[frail jasper]

Outside of cube or ball he's not especially durable, his survivability mostly comes from being able to just fly out of bad situations

[mild flume]

And they have a great way to make people shoot them

[vast sandal]

durable character that gets in your face and starts causing problems because killing them's tough and it forces you to either position around em or focus em down

[granite heath]

They also have a great way to make people not shoot at anyone.

[vast sandal]

the problems coming in flavors of damage, CC, positioning control, etc.

[mild flume]

I think at lower levels just being tanky can be enough

[somber creek]

I forgot mnk existed tbh

[mild flume]

As people just shoot the closest person

[magic summit]

You need gun items on Celeste but building just for gun is going to be misery

You can get all the bullet velocity you want, hitting someone outside 20 meters is still gonna suck

[vast sandal]

yeah I told her that Celeste's gun sucks for going straight gun and her answer was basically "it has no falloff range and bounces it's basically the ultimate gun"

[magic summit]

People can visually dodge it

Its great

[vast sandal]

I mentioned this yes

[frail jasper]

I don't think it goes into the "sucks" category but it's definitely quirky enough to not be "the ultimate gun". Most of its power comes from her 1 anyway, but it has some strengths you can lean into. Good items are active reload and kinetic dash for both ammo uptime and fire rate (the things that let her trigger the 1 more frequently). The damage itself isn't worth specifically building for since almost all Celeste's power comes from her spirit based abilities

This is why spellslinger > lucky shot or something. Fire rate and reload speed so you can keep ticking the 1 on people

[rich grove]

yeah it's like building gun on mina

[finite grotto]

slowing bullets are also really good on it

since it has like a 54% buildup per shot

[frail jasper]

On-hit effects are good because of the stupid buildup, yes

[rich grove]

just fundamentally missing the point of the character and/or misunderstanding the stat system, in mina's case specifically

[somber creek]

I feel like Gun Mina is a bit more viable

Since she has gun synergy in her kit at least

[frail jasper]

Mina at most wants like, kinetic dash

Something else I guess since she also loves superior stamina

[finite grotto]

toxic bullets my beloved

[vivid nimbus]

I usually see swift striker toxic bullets

[frail jasper]

That makes sense yes

Fire rate is really all she needs to buff her gun since it's mostly just for applying love bites

[vivid nimbus]

But I can also see like spirit rend or spiritual overflow RN

[frail jasper]

Sure yeah, those are in service to her spirit abilities though, not making the gun its own thing

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah exactly

[frail jasper]

Less "don't buy orange" and more "don't buy weapon damage bonuses"

I've seen glass cannon lucky shot Mina before (it didn't work well)

[autumn field]

i can see ricomina working

[rich grove]

yeah the problem isn't so much that Mina has no synergy with gun it's that she has exactly one stat she cares about

[autumn field]

i can also see people running rapid shots

or burst fire

[rich grove]

it's fire rate and then only insofar as fire rate gives her the love bites proc faster

iirc she has the worst base gun damage in the entire game so any % wep damage increaases are straight ass

haze is in a similar boat where she primarily dedicates herself to fire rate, but the amount she can get out of it is way higher because fixation stacks up to 60 and not somewhere around 6-10 (in the case of getting one love bites proc)

[magic summit]

She has some of the lowest gun damage scaling in the game. I think just directly the lowest

On account of it expecting you to build for love bites

[somber creek]

Yeah but building for consistent love bites instead of rake or ult is like, fine

[magic summit]

I think there is some disconnect in my thinking or something because if someone says they are going a gun build

I am thinking they are going to have mostly just orange and green items

Like how a Venator or Haze would end up looking

Which i think would be bad for the above characters mentioned

[rich grove]

yeah

tbc you should definitely build a couple gun items on mina.

[magic summit]

If someone is going a gun build I'm imagining most of their damage is going to be gun damage

[rich grove]

it's just that you stop once you get to a certain point and just purple/greenmaxx

[magic summit]

Every Mina comes with Kinetic dash toxic bullets sewn onto their skin at game start it feels like

[rich grove]

don't you know she's got toxic

🎵

[astral lava]

does her passive damage activate healbane? like just a single bullet

[rich grove]

yeh

[lavish shale]

any amount of spirit damage you deal

you can trigger Healbane or BRS from Tesla too for example, or other on hit spirit

[gray otter]

im curious, if you could give any one character an ability from another character, what would be the most obnoxious possible combination

[frail jasper]

Healbane + toxic bullets is a true Mina combo, especially so if you're fighting an Abrams or Victor or something

Really just anyone tbh

Healbane is gonna be consistent big heals when you need it most since Mina has so much kill potential

[rich grove]

give Abrams Mina 2 instead of his 3

[gray otter]

oh god

[rich grove]

yeah

the other tanks lose too much if you swap their abilities out

[frail jasper]

Can we do a full triangle build? Abrams 1, Warden 4. What's a 2 and 3 that are cones?

[rich grove]

venator shotgun

[gray otter]

if you could swap two characters' guns the obvious answer for most obnoxious combo would be mina with graves's gun probably

[finite grotto]

Pockets gun on a lot of other characters would also prob go mega

[vivid nimbus]

I thought Abrams 1 is a big circle

[frail jasper]

I would swap Mo&Krill's shotgun with Venator's shotgun

[frail jasper]

Nah it's a rather wide cone in front of him

[rich grove]

yeah it LOOKS like it should be a circle but no

he has to actually look at you to slorp you

[vivid nimbus]

I guess I never looked behind me while using it

[frail jasper]

Not that you really can. If you turn around the cone turns with you :v

[merry verge]

Scorn is full circle yeah

[rich grove]

in my case it was less about looking at people behind me and more hoping that the people who were behind me would also get slurped while I'm fighting a 4v1

turns out, not how that works

[vivid nimbus]

Also TIL that Abrams's VA is Samoa Joe

[vast sandal]

what

[rich grove]

YEAH BABY

YEAH

IT RULES

[vast sandal]

that's the best

[gray otter]

what if pocket got mina's 2

Least Killable Guy Ever

[rich grove]

like on what ability

[gray otter]

good question

[frail jasper]

Instead of his barrage I guess

Jacket plus case plus Mina bats

[finite grotto]

nah i would like to keep barrage pls

[gray otter]

their*

[finite grotto]

ma long range wave clear

[vivid nimbus]

I think if Pocket is getting bats it's replacing their cloak, they're both 2s and strong movement/survival abilities

[magic summit]

Pocket without Barrage does negative damage

[rich grove]

weirdly I feel like this nukes their-

yeah

[frail jasper]

G O O D

[rich grove]

pocket doesn't need the push to be a pure ultbot 😭

[late hare]

yikers

[rich grove]

all this character does is jump in and press 4 then leave

[finite grotto]

we also press 3!

[frail jasper]

And cold front

[finite grotto]

so true

[vivid nimbus]

As funny as [bats in, affliction, bats out] would be

[finite grotto]

I mean you wouldnt even really go that far out with bats tho

or that far in

[rich grove]

you maj leap in

then bats out

or cloak out

it's so rare you want to cloak in because if you cloak in you're going to Fucking Die

[magic summit]

Replacing Cloak with Apollo Riposte

[gray otter]

not if you have bats

[finite grotto]

cloak with briefcase combo do be so satisfying tho to kill people

[magic summit]

Then replacing ult with Yamato ult

Pocket goes in, no one damages them, they leave

[rich grove]

every time I play the character after not playing them for a while I immediately go "I should cloak in" and then remember "now I can case in the middle of the teamfight and then get my butt blasted by all six of the enemy team, who hate my nonbinary swag"

[finite grotto]

okok

[magic summit]

Nothing is accomplished

[finite grotto]

it is so swaggy when you have acceleration and just air moonwalk while barraging

[vivid nimbus]

Now, what kinda ability would y'all give Bebop for a 2 if bomb was obltierated?

[rich grove]

sly post the gif of pocket sliding around in midair and then fucking off

[finite grotto]

give bepop apollo 3

on his 2

[vivid nimbus]

[finite grotto]

pull in, 360 punch, CHASE EM DOWN

[bleak thicket]

important news

https://bskye.app/profile/8bitkoi.bsky.social/post/3mg6cm6pboc2a

[magic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/pocket-deadlock-lane-barrage-jacket-gif-1098125661775238907

[rich grove]

the funniest part is all the clipping on the enemy silhouettes

hunter cape ass polygons

[magic summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1281848145231220808/1281848145336209428/Illustration4.gif

[gray otter]

i think theres probably something disgusting you can do by replacing one of silver's wolf form buttons

[rich grove]

replace silver's wolf form spin with cloak-

[gray otter]

oh ykw

replace literally any celeste button with sinclair's assistant

[rich grove]

not really

[gray otter]

(and assume it works the way it would be funny for it to work)

[frail jasper]

ZMC tech is a fun one

[vivid nimbus]

Actually funny answer to my own question, give Bebop some pre-nerf version of Bebop's bomb, but ONLY self-cast

So his ideal combo is hooking them when the bomb is about to explode

[gray otter]

he should take half damage from his bomb

it would probably make him suck but itd be really funny

[vivid nimbus]

Well, give that a low CD and you get interesting Geist/Victor patterns

[finite patrol]

yoshi GIVE ME ability draft NOW

[rich grove]

yeah I could see the self-cast bomb being their way of leaning into his brawler schtick

[vivid nimbus]

Also hearing the distant beeping is a decent telegraph, he could hook you at any time but right this moment is when he really wants to

[finite grotto]

for a moment i thought this was stitch

[rich grove]

probably the thing that's most feelsbad about his play pattern (especially in lane) is that it's just the two of you rolling around in the dirt while he finger-blasts his 2 button hoping the auto-target gets you

[autumn field]

abrams get lash ult for a 3

it would be so fucking funny

hit em with the slam then the slam then the slam then the slam then the slam then the slam

then the slam then the slam then the slam then the slam then the slam then the slam

fyi this is lash ult, abrams ult, charge, heavy melee, echo shard charge, heavy melee, refresher, repeat

[frail jasper]

Laning into a bomb-focus bebop really doesn't feel great. At least at the start his bombs are relatively weak, so I've heard the response is to NOT RUN AWAY but instead turn aggro as soon as you get tagged. Make it into a trade for hp instead of just soaking bomb damage.

[magic summit]

I hate bebop lane because its "dont engage with the robot hiding behind that pillar"

But thankfully every bebop was made in the same factory

So when their greed compels them to spend all their stamina to run up to you and place a bomb you need to promptly beat his ass

[autumn field]

rush grapple

ngl it might make more sense to grapple first

cuz guardian = big dmg

dont push, make enemy overextend, build grapple, then rush bomb

[vivid nimbus]

I’m pretty sure optimal has even more heavy melees in there

[autumn field]

almost definitely

[finite grotto]

man i really suck at mina

[autumn field]

you can add phantom strike and lightning scroll to that

for even more slam

[vivid nimbus]

Mina strats seems to be eat half their life and run off, repeat. And use bats and stamina and float to be better at running than them

[autumn field]

what happens if you get parried during an unstoppable

[rich grove]

well they don't take damage but you're not stunned

[autumn field]

ok good good good

[finite grotto]

i really like her style but the gameplay is not me :c

tbf this game enemy billy also rushed spellbraker and spirit res first big greens

[rich grove]

yeah lol

at that point you just kind of pray to find another target

[spring tundra]

Question for people who understand the game balance better than me

Is Celeste’s altered movement like

Actually an issue

That needs to be fixed

[rich grove]

it's an incredibly obnoxious advantage she starts with at level 0 and isn't tied to ability progression (viper 3, lash 2, any cdr upgrades on mobility abilities generally) or item purchase (warp stone, maj leap, the cooldown reduction item tree)

[spring tundra]

Noting that down as a yes

[rich grove]

whether or not you think it's an issue depends on whether or not you think the rest of her kit has been balanced around that

[vivid nimbus]

But also putting a second ult on one of the strongest heroes in the game is of course gonna make them busted as fuck

[spring tundra]

Second ult?

[finite grotto]

mina really doesnt tickle my neurons when playing sadge

[vivid nimbus]

Carmen was talking about Abrams with his 3 replaced with Lash ult

[rich grove]

yeah there's a parallel discussion about giving lash ult to abrams

yeah

[spring tundra]

Oh sorry lol

So yeah thresh do you think they could just tone it down or

Should it be removed entirely

I’m kinda conceptually really interested in different characters having altered forms of movement so I’d be sad to see it go

[finite grotto]

It also could be that i completely suck at mina early game

I def die way to often on her

[spring tundra]

You have to do a lot of like

Hit and run

As early Mina

You’re v baby

[frail jasper]

there's currently not any real counters to Celeste's implicit movement advantage, and that is an issue

increased air control and lowered gravity doesn't get meaningfully countered outside of hard CC (stuns essentially) so a good Celeste can just jump and wiggle their mouse to escape silences, slows, etc. forever

[magic summit]

I do not think it should be changed. I think the biggest issue with her is simply she has high numbers and a high skill ceiling so people that learn her more are just dominating games more as time passes

[finite grotto]

ok ye i just dont click with mina even tho i initially thought i would since she kinda is like a lot of the characters that I enjoy (Pocket, Yamato, Lash)

[magic summit]

I think a good solution was giving her negative bullet resist

[frail jasper]

One suggestion I saw was just "make Slowed effects mitigate the gravity/air control"

[spring tundra]

Hm

That would be something

[magic summit]

I think that would just feel bad

Rapidly changing the fundamental way your character moves constantly kinda makes any planning of jumps inconsistent

[bleak thicket]

ok but slowing hex already does that?
-20% move speed
-30% dash distance
changes how you move a ton
it could just have a -20% air control

[spring tundra]

It’s also not like slow is like

Ungodly common

Ur not getting slowed every 5 seconds

[rich grove]

it kind of is

a lot of spells have incidental movement slow, I believe Warden flask can literally slow you every 5 seconds because it has a 5s cd

pocket barrage slows, haze fixation slows

[spring tundra]

Welp

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088641551355359335/1477546201157996718/p-changecolor.gif

[rich grove]

I think with Celeste it's just that her kit is so juiced with seemingly no regard for how much of an advantage her movement gives her, although part of that is the standard 'emergent behaviour' stuff that only players will find out

like I don't think yoshi was planning on her being Too Much For Zblock

[spring tundra]

Fair yeah

The ult def needs to be toned down

[rich grove]

honestly the ult falls off a bit once you get out of pooplo, but seeing as 99% of the game is in uncoordinate pubs it obviously makes sense that it's the primary complaint

[spring tundra]

The barrier I imagine is the actual horseshit

In real play

[magic summit]

I think importantly it currently doesnt have a modifier to gravity or air control

[rich grove]

it's lowkey evil everything

[autumn field]

Zblock?

[finite patrol]

the barrier silencing for 4 seconds is so fucked up

[spring tundra]

Idk maybe she’ll just get a full rework

Idk how willing they are to do that though

[bleak thicket]

if her kit is that much of a problem
it will get a rework

[autumn field]

What if instead of silence, Celeste gets her mobility mods off her barrier, an they last for some time afterwards

[rich grove]

nah

[bleak thicket]

like if its fundamentally unworkable

but i dont think thats the case

[rich grove]

I think they can try numbers

[spring tundra]

Yeah

although that being said

[bleak thicket]

theyll keep tweaking numbers for a while yeah

[spring tundra]

Celeste is one of the most reqorkable characters

On the roster

Like you could never take away the cube from viscous

For example

But… Celeste doesn’t have anything like that really lol

[autumn field]

I think I really like light eater, personally

[finite patrol]

I think the only hero who is like 100% number tweaks wont solve this is shiv

[spring tundra]

None of her kit is really obviously like “oh she conceptually needs this” lolol

I’m gonna be honest I kinda don’t get how Shiv is so good

[magic summit]

I love Shiv

[autumn field]

Having no half CD on missed ult might help

[rich grove]

her being everywhere on the map level 0 isn't strictly an issue, her being everywhere on the map while having zero meaningful downtime while being able to burst you 100-0 while you're unable to run away is an issue

[magic summit]

Spiritually the Batrider of this game

[spring tundra]

Yeah that’s fair

[rich grove]

good in teamfights, good in 1v1s, enormous burst for short fights, spell amp makes her inevitable in long protracted fights, etc etc etc

[autumn field]

Also what’s interesting is how I see Doorman being considered weak in the meta

[spring tundra]

Well

His character archetype is always gonna be off meta imo

[magic summit]

Horrible winrate for most people but if you get to the highest elo he breaks a lobby over his knee if he so much as gets a 1k soul advantage

[vast sandal]

Shiv is nuts

[bleak thicket]

i still hope they eventually add something that somehow lets you kill fountain

[rich grove]

and in pro play it's just a function of opportunity cost

oh wait you meant Shiv

[magic summit]

Yes

[bleak thicket]

although sadly its probably not like dota and fountain isnt an actual unit

[magic summit]

I am slacking off at work on my phone so my typing is delayed

[rich grove]

to be honest I look at that character and I go 'I don't know what the fuck you do' but it turns out that delaying 25% of all damage and having Axe ult is just good enough

[bleak thicket]

axe ult good indeed

[vast sandal]

Shiv is a very normal guy!

[random urchin]

Shiv's rage mechanic almost feels like he's a character ported from another game

[rich grove]

"I have an aura which makes the entire enemy team have 25% less health" that's it

that's the character

the rest of his kit has either been gutted (knives getting dunked in the last patch) or easily counterable (dash gets beat by slowhex and positioning), you are just big and fat and you can point-target execute people

[autumn field]

I gotta wonder, would Shiv be actually balanced if they reworked his ult

[lavish shale]

Make him aim the ult

[spring tundra]

LMAO

Talking with my friends about changing Celeste’s movement and someone was like “get rid of it by having her get hit by a truck in the lore and put her in a wheelchair”

Followed by the wheelchair being even faster

Mostly just amused by the idea of a nerf being diagetic

[bleak thicket]

only if shes allowed to drift in the wheel chair

[spring tundra]

Fuck that would be awesome actually

Can we get a wheelchair hero that would rock

Does damage on collision

[random urchin]

Vyper wheelchair mod

[autumn field]

I think it’d be so fucking cool to have some like, angel-ass harpie in a wheelchair

And their ult is just like, biblically accurate wheelchair (dragon install)

Shiv rework that makes him dragon install instead of:)

[spring tundra]

Shiv being insane is really funny cause I feel like he’s such an unassuming character

I would not assume him to be a super god lmao

[rich grove]

I mean he definitely feels underwhelming in play

but at some point you go holy shit I just dunked half their team

[lavish shale]

well his winrate sucks everywhere but super high level play

[spring tundra]

Oh

[rich grove]

yeah he has like

[spring tundra]

w-why

[rich grove]

36% winrate now

[vivid nimbus]

It's not in the dumpster but yeah

[lavish shale]

he's at like 40% winrate IIRC

[vivid nimbus]

Wait did it sink to 36%?

[rich grove]

so his 3 makes heals significantly more valuable on him than any other character, and chain-execute is incredible in a team setting where you can focus targets to the threshold efficiently

[spring tundra]

Mhm

[bleak thicket]

yeah he's just way more powerful in a properly coordinated team

[vivid nimbus]

Statlocker has him at 43.4% over the last week

But he doesn't even really rise meaningfully across ranks, he's just cracked in pro play

[spring tundra]

Tbh I’m personally kinda a hater of the “under x% instant kill” abilities generally

So

[vivid nimbus]

Which might be due to pro teams having Shiv character specialists

[rich grove]

yeah it's kind of impressive how clearly he's like

[spring tundra]

I wouldn’t mind if that exploded

[rich grove]

the opposite of a pug demon

he has Injoker syndrome

[vivid nimbus]

43% is bad but not unplayable, and it's not like Statlocker lets you filter between dabblers and specialists

[spring tundra]

Yknow

If they reworked him

I want them to lean harder into the bleed

That’s a fun mechanic

[bleak thicket]

youre so right, we should replace it with the damage per missing healthpoint instead like necrophos

[rich grove]

well that was the meta for one patch and then they shot it for the sins of the rest of his kit

[rich grove]

we should make it so that if you get killed by it your respawn timer is longer

[vast sandal]

Need this picture but for Deadlock lane shop

[spring tundra]

I would stop playing

[vivid nimbus]

Also Mirage does worse in eternus than in all ranks, yet is a popular pick in pro play

[spring tundra]

If that was a thing thresh

[bleak thicket]

no no
you get permanent stats if you get a kill with it, dont be silly

[rich grove]

good news! it was

[spring tundra]

WHAT

[rich grove]

not for Shiv, for Necrophos

and then his Aghs made it so that you could not buyback

[spring tundra]

What game

Is this

[rich grove]

dota

[lavish shale]

Dota

[rich grove]

icefrog is

unwell

[bleak thicket]

dota
aka
2d deadlock

[spring tundra]

Okay so Dota was made by the devil gotcha

[lavish shale]

Necro ult is a point and click stun and execute

[bleak thicket]

emily 70% of deadlock abilities are just ported from dota

[vivid nimbus]

Icefrog is amazing

[spring tundra]

Still devil

[bleak thicket]

same for items

anyway
heres necrophos ult

[rich grove]

yeah celestuinely most of dota's dna has been ported over about as 1:1 as ytou can get

[spring tundra]

Well the 30% remaining sounds like the ones that were given to them by satan so

:p

[bleak thicket]

imagine shiv getting +3 life regen per kill with his ult

it would be so funny

[rich grove]

I feel like that would be way worse

[bleak thicket]

it would be horribly bad for balance yeah

[rich grove]

at least if it didn't chain, which I don't think it does

[lavish shale]

extra mana per ult is neat

[rich grove]

if it does still do the axe reset then for everyone's sake I request you do not

[bleak thicket]

nah necro ult doesnt chain like axe

[rich grove]

you see the shiv player power dunk your entire team and then after all that he just goes

+2

[vivid nimbus]

You're right, give him rage regen per ult kill instead

[vast sandal]

listen, Shiv right now kinda doesn't cook a lot but I see the potential, make his bleed dagger cause intensifying stacking bleed with each time you hit the same target so he can throw hands with another tank

let Shiv say swears

[rich grove]

it does

it just doesn't matter because they nerfed the fuck out of it last patch

[lavish shale]

what would be the funniest Dota ability to port into Deadlock
that we don't already have

[upbeat perch]

i recently learned that axe ult spent a few days bugged and could be used to execute towers

[rich grove]

that was the meta build until i think the latest "number" patch

with the new char rollout

[vast sandal]

yeah so make it stronger so he can actually tangle with another tank

[rich grove]

well like

[lavish shale]

I'd say LC or Wyvern ult, but I feel like the taunts don't really work in Deadlock

[rich grove]

they're just going to keep gutting everything else about his kit

[vivid nimbus]

This is literally how his dagger works

[spring tundra]

Just take away his ult valve

[rich grove]

but yes in theory

[spring tundra]

You know you’re gonna have to eventually

[vivid nimbus]

It just had numbers nerfs

[rich grove]

if they make him a completely different character aside from the abilities which are fine

[bleak thicket]

you know
id love to see them do a take on troll warlords battle trance
you cannot die
you get bonus move speed and fire rate
but you get controlled by a bot for the duration of the ult

[spring tundra]

Just bite the bullet girlies

[rich grove]

then yeah knife shiv will be back

[lavish shale]

is that how Trance works now?

[rich grove]

I don't need to be controlled by a bot, I am one

[bleak thicket]

Unleashes a powerful battle trance, that forces Troll to continuously attack the closest enemy unit, prioritizing heroes, within the radius.

Grants Troll bonus lifesteal, bonus attack speed, and bonus movement speed.

you auto attack the nearest valid target in dota

[spring tundra]

Yeah an ult where I get better at the game sounds awesome

[rich grove]

haze ult agh's

[vast sandal]

you know what, make Shiv stronger when he's at death's door because of Bloodletting deferred damage

that would be hilarious

[somber creek]

I would say Deadlock is not 1 to 1 "Dota but a shooter"

[lavish shale]

I last played when it was just the global attack speed buff

[upbeat perch]

is naga ult replicated in dota yet?

[rich grove]

uhhh

[lavish shale]

aka many years ago

[rich grove]

I mean if you count rem

but not really

[upbeat perch]

i guess?

oh wait

[rich grove]

naga's sleep is so fucknormous that it's kind of difficult to imagine it ever being balanced

[bleak thicket]

very much not
but analyzing stuff through the lens of dota is helpful a lot of the time

[upbeat perch]

hey has deadlock seen echo slam yet?

[lavish shale]

not yet

that would also be funny

[vast sandal]

CHAOS
DUNK

I think Chaos Dunk should be in Deadlock

[vivid nimbus]

Proposal for new Shiv nerf, Killing Blow resets rage to 0 and he has to build it up again

[lavish shale]

change Vindicta's ult to Sniper ult

[autumn field]

So, graves with reverse toxic bullets

[upbeat perch]

cause if not echo slam, then i'd raise ember spirit ult as a funny ability

[rich grove]

I mean the canonical direction for his balance so far seems to be 'make him so unfun to play that people drop the character'

so this would probably be in character

[vast sandal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okuOx0wCnt8

[bleak thicket]

kinda, but you also lose control of walking and such
so
if lane guardian is the only valid target
youd just walk into that until your ult ends

[spring tundra]

My plan is just to play mcguiness forever so I never get nerfed

:p

[upbeat perch]

ember ult or void spirit dodge into 9 (?) circles on the ground (tho i'd also take void spirit's "look at me" clones)

[rich grove]

writing notes underlord

more circles

one MILLION circles

[bleak thicket]

having a global portal like underlord would be fun

[upbeat perch]

as much as i love void spirit's shield (how can i not, i'm an OG karma player), it's not that funny

[spring tundra]

Uhhhh I don’t know dota but I’m familiar with overwatch, can we have an overwatch character

[bleak thicket]

honestly

riki

just have a character that is permanently invis

what could go wrong

[vivid nimbus]

Imagine Symmeta TP portal

[bleak thicket]

(so much)

[upbeat perch]

but you can place the other end on anywhere on the map, with the entrance right next to you when you cast it

[finite patrol]

get the guac gamer. you wont be able to spend that money on buyback any way

[spring tundra]

The idea of a character messing with the shop or respawn mechanics sounds like hell

[bleak thicket]

i dont think theres anyone that can mess with enemy shop or respawn in dota

you can mess with your own
undying instantly respawns if his ability is off cooldown

[spring tundra]

Is buyback not a shop thing

[upbeat perch]

it's not, it's a universal function

[bleak thicket]

buyback is a thing you buy

but not from a shop

its just a price you pay to respawn

[lavish shale]

you spend gold to instant respawn

[spring tundra]

Hm

Interesting

[bleak thicket]

i am glad deadlock doesnt have it tbh

[spring tundra]

Now it’s good deadlock doesn’t have that because I’d be spending all my money

On it

[bleak thicket]

it has a cooldown

[upbeat perch]

also price ramps as well

[lavish shale]

it has a cooldown, and its also very expensive

[spring tundra]

Mhmhm

Sorry I’m so full of money

[spring tundra]

Respawns

[bleak thicket]

i mean
yeah, thats how it works in dota?

[spring tundra]

Yeag

[bleak thicket]

if youre fine not being able to use it in the next 8 minutes

[spring tundra]

I wasn’t contesting that lol

[upbeat perch]

ooh

[spring tundra]

:p

[bleak thicket]

sometimes its fine to have the money saved

but its usually not worth in the early game

[upbeat perch]

hey would it be bad to have BH's steal be in deadlock?

[bleak thicket]

it would be funny

[spring tundra]

Yeah it seems like something to do either in an emergency y or when ur build is finished

[bleak thicket]

but make it so he can only steal unsafe souls

[lavish shale]

kind of, yeah

[upbeat perch]

just an on-hit effect with a cd (he also has a facet that steals even more)

[rich grove]

man Holliday looks so much fun when goober plays her

[lavish shale]

oh Bounty steals money now?

[rich grove]

he moves like he's been buttered

[lavish shale]

that's funny

[vivid nimbus]

... If Sinclair steals Shiv ult and gets a kill, does it reset Sinclair ult CD? (Assuming Sinclair has it T3)

[rich grove]

believe so

it's just rare you get it off because you don't have Rage

so you never benefit from bonus threshold

[spring tundra]

I wanna play holiday so bad

But I suck so hard

At her

[bleak thicket]

speaking of sinclair
i hope they fix lightning scroll not working with his ult

[spring tundra]

Like “throwing the match” bad lmao

[bleak thicket]

it seems like a weird oversight

[vivid nimbus]

The kill threshold isn't linked to rage AFAICT

[rich grove]

huh

no clue in that case

[low sage]

Correct.

[rich grove]

maybe I'm just dogshit

[low sage]

It has a passive that gives you bonus damage at full rage

[rich grove]

I think I just misread level 2

mostly I don't steal shiv ult because if you're tangling with shiv he kills you and because if you're tangling in range to execute you are dead

[vivid nimbus]

Actually it would be funny if Sinclair temporarily got the passive between stealing and casting Shiv ult

He doesn't, but it'd be funny

[rich grove]

build 23% rage after fighting for the whole duration

😭

[vivid nimbus]

Oh right partial rage doesn't do shit

[rich grove]

well that's what makes it funny

see, you're a genius

oh yeah there, the other thing about shiv: nothing else about his kit does shit until you have max rage and without decay on tanks you don't get fuck all rage

[spring tundra]

Not sure how I feel about the response to him being dominant in pro is just “make him suck to play”

[rich grove]

yeah that's literally it lol

people are so insistent on him being reworked cause they've changed numbers so often that it's clear it's not going to work

[spring tundra]

I mean I appreciate that they’re at least resistant

To reworking characters

[rich grove]

I mean kinda, but also

[spring tundra]

Constant reworks fucking suck

[rich grove]

if there's any time to do it

[granite heath]

and that you can't buy back

[spring tundra]

No for sure

[rich grove]

it's in a literal alpha haha

[vivid nimbus]

New new proposal: Just buff him for normal play and let Night Shift TOs ban him instead of eating second pick team's first ban slot

[spring tundra]

New proposal: make him viscous

Make there be 2 viscous

[granite heath]

just put a big "buyback disabled" text over the souls.

[spring tundra]

Puddle Punch sound effect grows louder

[rich grove]

evil voice: REJUV DISABLED

[spring tundra]

THATD BE SO EVIL

Make a rejuv disabling ult that chains

Hit the whole team with it

[vivid nimbus]

Disabling rejuv would make him even more skewed towards organized comp play, hahaha

[finite grotto]

hmm

that is a paige build

[finite patrol]

didnt read patch notes

[astral lava]

it was several months ago and they extremely made it not work

[finite grotto]

tbf i also hard choked this game

[granite heath]

What doesn't work for Paige anymore?

[spring tundra]

What would be the smallest, evilest change they could make to the gam

Game

[finite patrol]

gun build

[magic summit]

Please please please give me spell steal 🙏🏿 I alone have the capacity to use it wisely

[rich grove]

that's what Sinclair needs, a buff

:)

[granite heath]

What specifically changed?

[rich grove]

make it lock out the ult if you steal it

[granite heath]

got a link to the notes?

[magic summit]

They nerfed her gun damage scaling by a lot

[finite patrol]

https://deadlock.wiki/Paige/Update_history

its not a hard "doesnt work any more" but i never actually said that

[spring tundra]

Sinclair mains found murdered in alley, all silver mains at large

[rich grove]

I feel like it would be way more likely to be dynamo mains

[hallow zenith]

Honestly yeah no I would steal a silver ult and then sit on it

I feel that me not stealing somebody else is a fair trade for taking a Silver out of the fight

[astral lava]

I believe its that also they nerfed a particular core item for Paige

[spring tundra]

That’s fair but like

Idk dynamo’s ult is really important but silver is straight up unplayable imo

Without ult

[rich grove]

silver ult being yoinked means silver dies.

dynamo's ult being yoinked means it's everybody's problem

[somber creek]

I think the idea that you are visible for a split second so you get instantly taken out of the team fight to be pretty anathema

[finite grotto]

one sec

@rich grove

[rich grove]

[autumn field]

I find it amusing how gunclair is a surprisingly popular build

[magic summit]

I've only seen it a single time

[rich grove]

hey, one time is more than it should ever be played

that's surprising!

[autumn field]

Granted, you do have the double DPS button

[magic summit]

He did really well for most of the game until he folded like wet cardboard the moment our team started to comeback

[autumn field]

Not surprising

[vivid nimbus]

Maybe he should've used dryer cardboard

[finite grotto]

update update

[vivid nimbus]

Ah, the perfect solution to "I stopped killing things and started dying", glass cannon

[twilit roost]

Greek myth levels of hubris with the glass cannon

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1rjxxhf/twilight_but_gay_art_by_taffybuns/

this implies that twilight isnt gay by default

[mint latch]

Two steps ahead@agile void

[finite grotto]

ok that was my first ivy game and i gotta say

hella fun

[gray otter]

i should play paige

[somber creek]

Paige feels like a fully realized support in a good way

[gray otter]

im a sucker for big stupid global ults

[somber creek]

You really do end up carrying with shielding

[vast sandal]

Isnt that the pick kill agenda

[mint latch]

Is it me or does billy sound like that one Jimmy from that one Jimmy Neutron episode where he clones himself

https://tenor.com/view/newtron-style-cap-gif-6498041937390889591

This one

[ivory reef]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwSUFl1A1Zg

https://tenor.com/view/owl-sneaky-gif-27514130

[finite grotto]

third game in a row where a lane turbo fed a haze

[somber creek]

https://www.tumblr.com/infinitebrians/797707106866348032/valve-hired-me-to-design-the-next-hero-in-deadlock?source=share

Infinite Brians

valve hired me to design the next hero in deadlock

-# #drawdogs #color pencil #deadlock #gnomes #five or six gnomes operating a single rocket launcher

Tumblr · Oct 18, 2025, 1:59 AM

[ivory reef]

it's very hard for any individual hero to be meaningfully fed to the point they can't be countered in just the laning stage

I recommend focusing on counterbuild strategies

[finite grotto]

true dat for sure

altough I do think it does depend on the hero and if they can afford to heavily invest into counter items

it is tough for sure

[mild flume]

metal skin on everyone does a lot to stem the bleeding

[mint latch]

A gnome mech like the one from gravity falls

[finite grotto]

for sure but allies do indeed not wanna buy metal skin

alas

[finite patrol]

im very here for 3 creachurs in a trench coat in deadlock

[finite grotto]

also we have no walker taken yet at 40 minutes

[mint latch]

Damn

[finite grotto]

this was our infernus at 42 minutes

[finite patrol]

thats you

[finite grotto]

sadly not

[finite patrol]

look inside. you will find it is true

[autumn field]

i think discord has been causing insane lag on my deadlock

[autumn field]

thinking about the best (lategame) hybrids i could do with seven

probably not rico

[finite patrol]

crippling headshot

[autumn field]

yeah thatd be better

[finite patrol]

planning for 67200 is completely deranged btw

[vast sandal]

60k souls is not a realistic place to get to

[vivid nimbus]

hides her 99k Seven game under a rug

[autumn field]

ive had a LOT of 50k games

[finite grotto]

man only games today that make you feel really bad

rough night

sometimes it be like that

[lavish grove]

The main issue is that even in super late game games the chance of you being able to buy all of those tier 4 items is nearly impossible just due to space alone

So that build is effectively even more expensive then it looks

Because of all of the items you need to buy throughout the game and sell later just to get to that point

[desert kelp]

How are you even supposed to play paradox? She's one of the characters where I have a hard time getting a sense of her playstyle because her kit just seems like random good stuff to me.

Sorta similar boat with viscous.

[rich grove]

shoot enemies with carbine
if swap is on cd shoot them in the head while slowed

if swap is not on cd cast wall then swap

play for 2v1s, roam aggressively once you have swap

[rich grove]

if they are far away, swap then cast wall while swap is in flight