Deadlock

[agile rune]

yamato and billy?

[vestal hearth]

Or he could throw it and have it boomerang.

[somber creek]

Apollo

[finite patrol]

it would be pretty much unplayable

[agile rune]

oh right

[finite patrol]

apollo and drifter

[gray otter]

"you can bring a sword to a gun fight as long as you also have a gun"

[finite patrol]

lol

[agile rune]

forgot apollo

billy counts in my mind, he always has his bat out

[vestal hearth]

Isn't Silver half melee?

[somber creek]

Billy just has a gun though

[gray otter]

silver is a special case

[finite patrol]

silver is melee in ult form yes

[gray otter]

because she still has a gun

[finite patrol]

she doesnt have to lane as melee only

[vestal hearth]

Uhh...

[gray otter]

she just gets stupidly tanky when she starts Preyin On You Tonight

[vestal hearth]

Could Izanami it.

And just have it fly back along it's path after being thrown.

But Smite is a different game.

[agile rune]

being melee only or even melee dominant in a game with guns has you either get picked off as you come in or you have to have tools to get in

or you ambush

[mild flume]

and like I think beyond a point it gets tricky for existing characters like

you have to be really strong at that range to justify it

which gets messy for like existing close ranged characters

[mossy lance]

it'd become a very all-or-nothing affair ultimately

[agile rune]

even the mostly close range characters are pretty spooky already

Abe comes to mind

[vestal hearth]

Idk why we all.just assumed it would be melee. But at the same time I don't know many ways Zombie Abe Lincoln could be anything but melee, lol.

[mild flume]

give him a gun

[somber creek]

Musket

[vestal hearth]

Have him throw logs?

[frail jasper]

he throws log cabins

[somber creek]

He starts throwing axes

[vestal hearth]

Yeah.

That was my idea.

In Smite there is a zombie character that's ranged and she throws sickles.

https://tenor.com/view/smite-moba-izanami-hunter-adc-gif-17735662922709676506

[agile rune]

tbf we also already have viktor for the tanky zombiesh type

and levin who is a white

and a wight

[vestal hearth]

Yeah.

I think we're missing a fish monster and a mummy for the classic monster line up.

We technically don't have a Dracula.

[agile rune]

invisible man

[vestal hearth]

We have vampires, not a Dracula.

[agile rune]

mina is the dracula

[vestal hearth]

Hmm...

[agile rune]

she's the high society vampire, also mina is the name of a very important character in dracula

drifter is the bestial vampire

[vestal hearth]

Ah.

Invisible man could be fun.

[edgy fog]

Trying to think of a classic monster type

[finite patrol]

I want mothman

and bigfoot

[vestal hearth]

Dr.Jeckyle?

Uhh...

How do you spell that?

I know that's wrong.

[gray otter]

jekyll

[vestal hearth]

Ah.

Yeah Jekyll and Hyde are kinda classic monsterish.

I don't think we have a classic broom stick witch.

[agile rune]

I don't think there's any character I'd call a witch

[gray otter]

magic carpet:

[agile rune]

there's also no swamp thing type

[edgy fog]

We've got werewolf, two forms of vampire, couple of ghosts, frankenstein, undead, a couple of demons, two robots,, one with human soul, goo creature, priest, librarian...

[agile rune]

two robots?

[edgy fog]

Ivy has some plant based stuff

[vestal hearth]

Dynamo?

[edgy fog]

One is Dynamo, soul of a man, body of steel

[agile rune]

three demonic humans

[edgy fog]

who's the third?

[agile rune]

dynamo is not a robot, he's more like mr freeze to me

[agile rune]

apollo, abe, infernus

[edgy fog]

Oh yeah Abe

He's kinda science gone too far robo coded

[vestal hearth]

A spider?

[agile rune]

unlike infernus he was even born in ixia, speaks ixian

[edgy fog]

Spider's not bad

or rats

[agile rune]

we could probably do with a more true fae

[edgy fog]

Oh and our Unicorn, don't forget the Unicorn

[agile rune]

rat king is a fan creation/theory that the devs have referenced

also we don't have anything eldritch

[vestal hearth]

There's a few horror motifs that are missing. And I do feel that Deadlock is very horror adjacent.

Like Darkstalkers.

[edgy fog]

I would like to see an elemental

[vestal hearth]

Oh, a haunted doll.

[edgy fog]

Oooo wickerman style

[agile rune]

I still like my idea of a bunch animated/magical/sentient items working together

[vestal hearth]

Uhh...

[agile rune]

a kind of hive mind

[vestal hearth]

That would be fun.

[mild flume]

I think a group entity would be cool

a swarm creature would be fun

[edgy fog]

That'd be fun. Like a magician's apprentice situation but the brooms ran off and have a hive mind survival instinct

[mild flume]

or a lots of things in a trenchcoat situation

[vestal hearth]

Kinda like those one yokai that were items.

[finite patrol]

not the bees!

[vestal hearth]

Oh, a bug monster!

[frail jasper]

this makes me think of the servants from beauty and the beast

[agile rune]

that was exactly my inspiration

[vestal hearth]

Could do a living suit of armor?

[agile rune]

tsukogami

[edgy fog]

Have a main body grandfather clock

[agile rune]

also a fun interpretation of the idea

[edgy fog]

So he's kinda towering

It would also cool to have a death's apprentice character. Like, not death, but an apprentice death. Here for on the job training.

[vestal hearth]

A living suit of armor that's just that Dark Souls pvp meme.

[agile rune]

not quite the same but isn't that what graves is

[frail jasper]

Can it have a melee steroid that cannot be parried (incl. by apollo) so it can should PARRY THIS YOU FILTHY CASUAL

[edgy fog]

Similar but different? The kind of situation I could see is where they really don't like one another because the death's apprentice is like "no what are you doing stop fucking up my work I JUST killed that guy"

[mild flume]

I think a tradie would be interesting

[vestal hearth]

I do want a big foot.

[agile rune]

I think mcginnis is meant to be this but trapper that used to be in the game fits it better

ratcatcher for new york in deadlock is a hell of a job

[frail jasper]

you would not believe the size of these rats

[agile rune]

I dunno, I've seen rem

[frail jasper]

TRUE

[somber creek]

New York Rat Catcher who's wish is to rid New York of rats once and for all would be an amazing character

[edgy fog]

They could even be the "flamethrower" character

with a bunch of poison spray

Could be fighting against roaches too, pest control

[frail jasper]

are they tiny though, because they could be using the vent tunnels to kill the roaches in there

[agile rune]

they already exist

[frail jasper]

yes but get more than +1 soul out of it

[agile rune]

https://deadlock.wiki/Trapper

[frail jasper]

I had memory-holed Trapper ngl

and the other herolab heroes

except slork

[agile rune]

dw I got you

[edgy fog]

we don't have a succubus yet

[mild flume]

yeah kinda I think she sorta has that but is a lot more like, genius inventer coded

[edgy fog]

that's a common trope

[agile rune]

true, to both

[edgy fog]

I want

a gingerbread man

[lavish grove]

Chat, question, was bowling seen as high class in the 40s?

Like Mirage suggests?

[edgy fog]

The rich did do it I think

Oxford bowling teams and all that

[lavish grove]

I see

[edgy fog]

Though as far as I'm aware it was less Bowling like today and more Bowls

which is different

https://tenor.com/view/lawn-bowls-bowls-bowling-ryan-bester-canada-gif-16413340

[frail jasper]

ah yes, curling but on green instead of ice

[edgy fog]

I was rather good at bowls when I tried it

[agile rune]

does deadlock work on a steamdeck?

[frail jasper]

I don't see why it wouldn't.

[somber creek]

They had bowling alleys

There Will Be Blood ends like that for a reason

[edgy fog]

huh

[somber creek]

Bowling as we know it was originally from like

early 1800s

[agile rune]

considering getting one, given how my laptop responds to most games

[edgy fog]

Thing is, I'm not sure we're ever going to get an actual skeleton person

Because of china's whole thing about skeletons

Like they even changed Karthus

and China is a huge market

[agile rune]

no bone daddy?

also china has a thing about skeletons?

[mild flume]

yeah they really do

[edgy fog]

Some people say it's not really a thing any more but honestly people tend to avoid skeletons to be "safe"

[severe loom]

Do they have a different animation for Seven ult, then?

[edgy fog]

They probably don't show the skeleton flash

[severe loom]

Cause that frequently swaps you into a skeleton, and if you die the same frame, you end up as a skeleton respawning

[mild flume]

there have been a fair number of changes and characters that have different depictions in Chinese versions and such

[finite patrol]

iirc its part of the reason skeleton king became wraith king?

(in dota)

[mild flume]

I think SF got a head change as well in the Chinese version

might have been on the old model

[astral lava]

lich, pugna, and shadow demon are still skeletons in dota. and also skeleton king arcana exists

[mild flume]

yeah there are a few still I'm not sure about model changes there

[edgy fog]

It may be that Dota and Steam doesn't care very much

[finite patrol]

https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Low_Violence

[edgy fog]

I just know that's why they changed stuff like changing league of legends

Everyone learns something new today!

[finite patrol]

quite a lot of changes actually

[mild flume]

yeah there were a lot of changes iirc

tons of icons and stuff

[finite patrol]

I like huskar hero icon change where they just make it blurry

okay this icon is actually really good though

[desert kelp]

Yes but giant rose colored pangolins dont

[low sage]

hUMM

[agile rune]

doggonit

[finite patrol]

silver and the drifter sitting in green k i l l i n g

[vast sandal]

okay I swung around on Haze

character's fun now that I know how to not instantly get folded

me and my lane partner (Rem) absolutely demolished a Wraith/Mina lane

[frail jasper]

Today was a rem game where the correct items to buy were Refresher + Lightning Scroll

[autumn field]

that is always the correct option tho /j

[bleak thicket]

sounds like a good rem game

[frail jasper]

Guardian Ward for lane into Silence Wave (enemy team was M&K, Doorman, Mirage, Celeste, Graves, Yamato) into Refresher + Echo Shard

the lane against Doorman/Mirage was awful but it just goes to show that lane results don't matter

My team REALLY did not have control of the map though so I wasn't even able to boxes from the enemy half of the map, much less sinners, until much later in the game.

Rem should not be the only one holding down yellow lane forever.

[agile rune]

I'm glad the game doesn't have wards (I think that's what they're called)

[agile rune]

lane results can not matter, but sometimes they do

[agile rune]

did you bully the wraith

[vast sandal]

I bullied them both

Haze sure is the premium gun poke character huh

you just can't fucking out-trade her

[rich grove]

paradox

[vast sandal]

hmm

[rich grove]

but yeah at some point you have to stop peeking her otherwise she'll just start melting your face off with fixation stacks

[vast sandal]

I kind of have a type of character I play huh

[rich grove]

it's really bad if you're playing a fat character like dynamo or bebop

because you will find yourself wiggling out of cover in places you didn't even know could be uncovered

[vast sandal]

despite winning lane hardest we didn't top score or anything, but we did fold up specifically mina and wraith and tell them they were never allowed to play again

which probably contributed to the W

[frail jasper]

this is proper treatment of the mina, just stuff her under a piece of furniture

[agile rune]

yeah a lot of folks are really negligent about letting fixation stack and letting haze re-up fixation

[frail jasper]

similarly, infernus being able to upkeep your afterburn with just one bullet after it's already applied

[agile rune]

yeah, nearly the exact same concept

[vast sandal]

infernus you just gotta break LOS if you're starting to burn

[rich grove]

afterburn is a bit different because it does literally nothing up til he sets you on fire and most people take forever to light you up

even zerggy isn't very good about lighting people up in lane post-nerf and he is a much better aimer than me or anyone else i have played with

[vast sandal]

huh, Doorman also has a really impactful poking tool huh

maybe I should go back to Tankbuster bells

[agile rune]

bells work to poke and also get folks out of cover

[vast sandal]

his gun feels so ass compared to Paradox or Haze though lmao

[agile rune]

you see, that's because it is

[finite patrol]

doormans gun is incredibly good in lane lol

[severe loom]

Well, now I feel a bit better about the extremely limp performances I've had on on-hit Infernus recently

[rich grove]

hitting people sometimes feels like rng

[finite patrol]

doormans kinda the poke god ngl

[rich grove]

i find it's really really bad at securing but headshot booster is gnarly

[vast sandal]

it does have a REALLY big bullet

like

ridiculously big

[finite patrol]

oh yeah its terrible for securing / denying

its for hitting your lane op

[rich grove]

some doorman channel inhabitants think it's actually literally bending to hit targets

which would not be that inconceivable

[finite patrol]

it does follow your cursor

[vast sandal]

what

whaaaaat

it's seeking???

[finite patrol]

a little bit its not like hard tracking

[vast sandal]

that's crazy

[rich grove]

goofy

this is truly the tech pervert character

[finite patrol]

just try shooting the shooting range dummy in the test area

[rich grove]

the Specialist guy

[finite patrol]

pulls out my page of notes on door locations with various range extensions

if i play doorman and im locked in my lane opponents will let me hit them 4 times and suddenly they've taken 200+ damage at level 0

[agile rune]

I know that feeling

[finite patrol]

they usually realize at that point "oh wow we literally cannot show"

and then I'm behind their guardian

[agile rune]

I've had that since the most recent drifter buffs, sometimes I'm doing so well, keep getting the drop on my lane and boom, we're off and rolling down the avenue

[finite patrol]

drifter quite solid now

[agile rune]

agree

[rich grove]

character is pretty crazy

[agile rune]

well yeah

[finite patrol]

every drifter i see is either 17/2 or 3/12 and pretty much no in between

a lot of people who play him seem to need to figure out when they aren't drifting and chill out

yes you could take this fight if you had a 5k soul lead and 10 stacks like you did last game but you dont have that youre 2k behind with 3 stacks

[agile rune]

sometimes you gotta recognise you're now gonna be an ultbot with support items

[autumn field]

one of my favorite things to do to hazes is to riposte their ult

since if you look at them, theyll die right after

[agile rune]

a surprisingly effective way to deal with haze ult is to stick in a group since, despite looking like an aoe, it's single target

shotgun best weapon class

smooth moves CU

[finite patrol]

yeah if haze ults 2 people and they just punch her shes dead unless they were super low

[autumn field]

sounds about right

[agile rune]

it feels like it should be aoe but alas

[finite patrol]

it used to be

they changed it and never changed its look

[agile rune]

now it's just autoaim right?

[low sage]

Silver activates the old League parts of my brain from when I used to main Riven

[agile rune]

bloodhound

[autumn field]

i think its funny how at a certain level of play, things like haze ult begin to lose value

[finite patrol]

yeah haze ult is auto aim.

[autumn field]

does it auto-headshot?

[finite patrol]

it used to have a tier 3 that let you shoot 2 players at once

[rich grove]

haze ult is a fine tool used correctly

[autumn field]

yeah its a nice tool its just that at some point, your aim gets just "that fucking good"

[rich grove]

but it's such a common noob-trap to think you can just fly at people with it

noi

not really

you get bonus rof and flat damage per bullet

it is actually just better

[autumn field]

ok fair enough

[finite patrol]

commonly you want to shoot headshots in the wake up time and if necessary then you can break it down

her best spell is and has always been sleep dagger tho

[rich grove]

yeh

[autumn field]

wait right i forgot the +4 dmg per bullet

[agile rune]

also if you've got a team fight ending in a wide open space, lets you clean up

catch those trying to flee

[rich grove]

ehhh

[finite patrol]

its 6 base and +4 for AP1 with 30% rof

[autumn field]

i was remembering how soldier overwatch had pros not touching the ult at all cuz headtaps were just better value

[rich grove]

yeah soldier was different because it literally did not do anything outside of auto-aim

[autumn field]

oh yeah thats massive then

[rich grove]

but haze is just kind of solidly better, the problem is keeping them in it

that's why you prep them with the -1 stam off dagger and slowing gex

[finite patrol]

slex em

[autumn field]

hlowing sex

[finite patrol]

hit em with the most annoying roguelike

[agile rune]

say gex

[autumn field]

i think haze is funny in how any spirit you build is specifically to knife them even more

and to enable gunning even harder

[rich grove]

decay as your fifth spell is pretty good at big spirit numbers

[finite patrol]

her spirit scaling ammo is a good bit of design

[rich grove]

does a surprising amt

and then yeah you get 100 in the mag

gotta be my favourite part of being John Bridge Buffs too

the times you get a spirit powerup and just start hosing

[autumn field]

i once tested inf. ammo haze

her dps was like, 1000+ i think

[agile rune]

one thing I enjoy is the randomness of statue buff

I think that's neat

[frail jasper]

dropped a 2k bag getting jumped while doing the enemy's double sinners
rat gaming

this time lane was a Rem/Paradox into Celeste/Sinclair, we put the moves on 'em something fierce

[buoyant plank]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1rh7kpm/i_am_making_a_pngtuber_that_has_animations_when/

[agile rune]

cute

[vast sandal]

would you rather have $1 or $2

[finite patrol]

lmao

[autumn field]

I assume Haze?

[vast sandal]

not my pic

[autumn field]

Oh lmao

[vast sandal]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1rhg5em/credit_to_lesbi_jams_tiktok/

[rich grove]

im lowkey eeeevilll

[autumn field]

apparently in nightshift there's a team dedicated to abrams?

[finite patrol]

abrahams?

[autumn field]

think so?

idk

ive been playing marathon 24/7 recently

[agile rune]

night shift?

[finite patrol]

deadlock pro league

[autumn field]

the like, pro league thing

[agile rune]

that's what I assumed

[finite patrol]

you are too slow binah.

[autumn field]

no shit its 0134

[finite patrol]

youre so right

good night!

[autumn field]

i wonder when the next patch notes arrive

[finite patrol]

im assuming were going to get a balance patch in the next couple weeks that nerfs movement, buffs some bad heroes and Rem for some reason, nerfs some good heroes and hopefully retools mirage

[autumn field]

i expect celeste + abrams nerf, apollo/graves/rem/silver adjustments (silver less likely)

hopefully mirage rework or visual enhancement

[tidal elm]

Nerf the fucking mole man please.

[finite patrol]

no

[agile rune]

having issues with m & k?

[finite patrol]

stop being out of position

[tidal elm]

Mf when I get disarmed for 6 seconds
What position brother bear.

that shit hits half the lane

[autumn field]

dispell magic / counterspell works quite nicely too

granted, counter is kinda meta rn but nonetheless

[agile rune]

also just like, don't take 2v1s against m&k and an ally

[tidal elm]

Being in Wolf form and getting disarmed legit feels horrible

[agile rune]

when they're locking you down they need an ally to be killing you

[tidal elm]

"Oh golly jee thanks you shut down my ult"

[autumn field]

if you're running silver dispel is kinda something you should be getting anyways imo

since you're heavily countered if anyone buys disarming hex

counterspell also works since the projectile is kinda slow

[tidal elm]

I would say yes, but I think tanks generally feel too tanky to take down
I had 3 bullet shred items and they STILL would soak up a lot of dmg

like, back in league 1 armor pen item was usually enough

granted, a very expensive one but still

[autumn field]

also something to note is some kits just counter others well

[tidal elm]

ik ik "tank being too tanky"
you know what I mean

[agile rune]

I like tanks being a "avoid fighting into, it's a waste of your time" so long as they're not shitting damage too

M&K are some of the least offensive to me for that reason

[autumn field]

like a good Apollo can and will shred the shit out of a Seven

you can riposte like, his balls, his stun, his ult

[tidal elm]

I don't usually refer to counter hero for examples cause they are very much in a league of their own

[magic summit]

I love accidentally making a good play

[autumn field]

the most deadlock moment ever

[tidal elm]

I think for now I just need to get used to how tank works here
like, I swear to god Abrams is very much the Deadlock equivalent to Garen
No items, immediately rush to Spiked Fist and just bodies a lane

[autumn field]

yeah, but my point is, m&k is really good vs silver

[tidal elm]

there has to be a way to just bully and abrams

[tidal elm]

they come with a lot of stress factor too ngl, like they feel infuriating to play agaisn't no matter who you are

[autumn field]

an innate disarm vs a gun hero, with a heavy gun res disengage, a stun, etc

[tidal elm]

but that's normal on mobas

[autumn field]

lots of these are things that just hurt silver even harder than many others since they can eat up your ult timer and then stall till you're out of ult

[rich grove]

silver does have %hp damage but it's pretty tricky

[tidal elm]

the t3 upgrade on the 1 right?

[autumn field]

and on base

i think its like 3% base, and an additional 10% on triple hit?

[tidal elm]

Tbf, this is why I play Venator
We ult and we do not think

Hp based execute my beloved

[agile rune]

I personally just avoid m&k unless I'm certain I can explode them

[tidal elm]

I think personally it's just a matter of getting used to distruptive tanks like Abrams and MK

Cause I swear if I see another abrams just gorilla stomp their way into lane and going 17/5 -

[agile rune]

what other class of tank is there?

[tidal elm]

Victor is a dmg tank in my eyes

[autumn field]

victor is a walking circle of area denial

[tidal elm]

Like, there's no "oh it's a tank so they deal less dmg" no they will explode you

[autumn field]

shiv is also a tank iirc

but more in the brawler/bruiser style

[tidal elm]

It's basically the difference between an enchanter support vs an aggressive support
A CC support vs a "the enemy is dead" support

[agile rune]

viktor and shiv are carries imo

[tidal elm]

I'm learning to play Shiv but I still gotta get his shtick as far as gameplay

[tidal elm]

Yeye, so bruisers might be a better definition

[autumn field]

but yeah abrams, billy, dynamo, kelvin, m&k, shiv, silver, victor i think all somehow fall under the larger category of "tanks"

i believe yamato is played as a bruiser but not always

[agile rune]

dynamo and kelvin are supports imo, silver shiv and victor are carries and billy is somewhere between a tank and a carry

imo

[autumn field]

yeah but dynamo and kelvin are also green-liking high base HP healing machines

so i guess it'd be a support tank kinda figure

[tidal elm]

Yea support tanks

Funnily enough i really enjoy billy
But still can't grasp shiv

[autumn field]

billy is also a tank but an overwatch tank if you get what i mean

[agile rune]

I guess you have archetypes on two axis: economic and gameplay

[autumn field]

shiv and billy are fundamentally different right?

[agile rune]

economic is your carry and support axis

and then gameplay is more like categories for how you play

[tidal elm]

Yeye, it was more of a personal approach like
It shouldn't be that hard to understand

[autumn field]

please dont ping so much

[agile rune]

billy is great, my second main

[autumn field]

shiv is also one of those characters whose really heavy on mastery right?

[tidal elm]

I legit still use Leagues terminology so like enchanters, cc'rs

[autumn field]

like movement is core to a good shiv is what i heard

[agile rune]

the community has yet to set on terminology, at least not universally

[tidal elm]

Fairnuff

[agile rune]

especially since you've got folks coming from traditional mobas and folks from hero shooters

[frail jasper]

I know super high end shiv play is essentially defined by use of movement tricks

[tidal elm]

So no term is universal ye

[frail jasper]

Since he comes with durability and damage built in, so if you supplement that with his alt fire tricks and general tech he becomes ridiculous

[agile rune]

I'm keen for when more of that stuff is sorta laid in stone, it'll make communication and education better

doesn't his alt fire blast you back?

[frail jasper]

It does, so you look opposite your desired direction of travel and alt fire to amp the momentum. Do this combined with wall jumps/ edge boosts and air strafing.

[agile rune]

yeah, scout time

[vernal parcel]

https://youtu.be/NsSgRe2kPFk

Found this little animation to be very cute

Especially the blep at the end

[errant sphinx]

Yamato can kind of tank in the sense that in a team fight she can survive for longer than most when getting focused on

[tidal elm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb5_xGKJKhk

the people NEED a Meet the Team with Deadlock characters

[vernal parcel]

Absolutely

[autumn field]

i might try to learn sinclair

his kit sounds awful fun to learn

and i really wanna play refresher sinclair

the combos gotta go crazy hard

i want to try doing something like lash -> dynamo

[errant sphinx]

I've also been thinking about trying sinclair

[agile rune]

billy into dynamo has a similar effect

I think the real skill in sinclair is the missiles and the assistant

[errant sphinx]

I wish this game had better resources for learning like

Why you want to build certain items on certain characters

Like trophy collector is popular on Sinclair but idk why

I have no idea when you actually even want that item

[agile rune]

most of it has been pretty common sense to me, which is why most builds of a character have a lot of item crossover

I mostly see trophy collector on bebop and dynamo

[errant sphinx]

Well I get why items are in a build but like

[agile rune]

I don't rate it very highly, personally and I definitely do not know why you'd get it on sinclair

[errant sphinx]

There's a million micro decisions mid game that are like which item do I want to get rn

[agile rune]

ye, I getcha

[errant sphinx]

Or if I need to counter build someone what items should I be replacing

[agile rune]

outside of hard counterbuilding, the conditional building stuff is something I absolutely ignore

[errant sphinx]

There's probably better resources in character discords or whatever but Holy fuck I do not want to interact with deadlock players

[agile rune]

I think it might be to give increased ability range? since the best ults to take also appreciate extra range? just at a guess

[mild flume]

I'd just get regular range boosting stuff

I think people just find trophy collector appealing

tbh

for conditional building I think its a complicated thing based on the game and the enemy comp and what particular characters are strong

if their mina is real strong vs their silver takes different stuff

I don't think there are easy quick answers

[agile rune]

trophy collector is a winmore item

[mild flume]

and also what your characters want

[agile rune]

and I do not think those are good

[mild flume]

I dunno I just like don't think trophy is very good usually even at max stacks

like even assuming you are doing great I think I'd rather most other items that a char wants

[agile rune]

also true, like I said I don't like it

[mild flume]

the problem is like, this depends a lot on each team and such, what char you are

and how well you and the strong enemy players are doing

like if you can give some enemy characters people can probably say roughly what kind of items are needed to counter them but like

it matters a bit how they fit into your gameplan and how much flexability your char has

[agile rune]

also what you've noticed the enemy building

[mild flume]

yeah

[agile rune]

like they're building gun resist, you can drop gun items, if they're outpacing you

[mild flume]

or maybe you build shred or status effects if you are committed to gun

rather than just damage

[agile rune]

yeah it's all conditional

which is why I mostly just build the same and leave a few slots purely for counterbuilding

[agile rune]

also worth looking at thresholds for orange purple and green

[mild flume]

yeah for sure

[agile rune]

it is not simple

[bleak thicket]

https://bsky.app/profile/saltypokerface.bsky.social/post/3mfyot3op5c2c @ivory reef

SaltyPokerFace 🦉🦉🦉 Hoot Hoot Hoot Hoot Hoot Hoot Hoot Hoot 🦉 (@saltypokerface.bsky.social)

Goldengraves rescue. #deadlock #goldengraves

Bluesky · Mar 1, 2026, 11:58 AM

[ivory reef]

Eee

Good push

[mint latch]

I relate to the dying to minions part

[merry verge]

A million years later but Mo could just do an aim debuff like Doorman and be Absolutely Fine

[final osprey]

Mo is too big of a character model to make a aim debuff really do much. And like, getting shot to death is already his big weakness

[tidal elm]

I would love some changes that's for sure, my main difficulty (as someone with about 20h in, so really not that much) is understand how to properly deal with matchups and tanks, cause it's not a simply matter of "get the armor pen item"

[merry verge]

Tanks are very potent right now, Abrams especially but Mo has that 'Hates You Having Fun' edge to him

[astral lava]

among other things m&k blind doesnt go through cover. this includes, variably, the low cover in lane depending on yhe angle they toss sand at

but also yeah just buy dispel

sand blast has a 42 second cd til midgame it better be a good ability

[merry verge]

Anything that fires a cone seems to get real weird with elevation

[astral lava]

I get so much shit blocked by hot dog carts

[tidal elm]

The only way that seems to counter Abrams is just to parry him atm

[merry verge]

The good ones'll just take the free hits and then shoot you with his amazing gun

[warm sonnet]

Blue Abraham players either throw charged heavies because they're bad at the game, or because they're great at it.

[low sage]

Also this comedy happened last night

[magic summit]

If you are having difficulty with higher health characters in particular the best options are of course itemization but I think a harder to learn thing since you don't have many hours is elevation

A lot of characters have difficulty fighting someone on a different elevation than them

Mo and Krill in particular

I think the big exception of them is Kelvin

[edgy fog]

even Rem struggles as long as the enemy isn't near a wall to try and splash damage it.

[errant sphinx]

Yeah I obviously understand it's conditional but I do feel like there could be some kind of heuristic made or whatever

Like on yamato you always wanna get mystic reverb or whatever it's called

And other items are more flexible I think

Basically I need a deadlock sideboard guide

[earnest verge]

Many, many guides include a "options" and/or "flex" section

And usually there's not toooo many items you need to consider outside of those. Knockdown, disarming hex, disables that suit the situation

Trying to contain all conditions and priorities inside of a guide would make it pretty unreadable, and keeping lots of info in your mental stack and understanding how the ecosystem works and what to do and what to get when any why is one of the core skills of the game

[errant sphinx]

No I get that

And I do appreciate those build guides

I understand that it's kind of a weird situation but nevertheless I do feel like the learning options for itemization in deadlock aren't that good rn

[vast sandal]

figuring out which disables I want for a given game is a toughie when I'm playing Doorman or Paradox

it's usually Knockdown, or Cursed Relic if I'm Doorman since at that point I probably don't need damage to support my team

[mild flume]

I think the learning options definitely could be better but its also a hard thing to teach

counter itemisation

like reverb is pretty good on yamato but its worse than other options at high spirit res

as the resist kinda double dips against it, cutting the initial hit + the reverb

[finite grotto]

true dat but it is still a ton of healing for yamato which is way it is p core

[mild flume]

its definitely good

but I think there are situations I'd prioritise going punch, or spirit burn or tankbuster

if people are building real defensive

[lavish grove]

Chat, anyone recognize Apollo’s voice actor?

I swear I’ve heard him in something but I cannot for the life of me remember what

[finite patrol]

https://fxbsky.app/profile/chesnaughtfan.bsky.social/post/3mfxxjehir22n

Richie! (@chesnaughtfan.bsky.social)

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FxBluesky · Mar 1, 2026, 5:01 AM

[vivid nimbus]

Wiki has him as Chester Rushing (Stranger Things, Fright Krewe), but no citation

[lavish grove]

Huh

[vivid nimbus]

I sorta hear it but I'm not confidant

[frail jasper]

@rich grove

apollo: "what"
sinclair: "I'm gonna hit 3.6k souls, buy superior duration, and steal graves' tombstone at max level"```
truly awful

[autumn field]

ok thats just cruel but fuck yeah

[terse aspen]

lol

[autumn field]

Holy shit

11 charge celeste is a monster

[bleak thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/gilgamesh-laugh-gilgamesh-fgo-gif-188492253119784609

[rich grove]

this is hateful, hateful behaviour

[desert kelp]

what are yall hoping/expecting out of a future jungle rework?

[rich grove]

the creeps are just clearly not intended for the game's current setting but aside from that I really couldn't care less

[desert kelp]

i think it would be cool if you could make neutral camps follow you into the lanes, i have a roomate who plays dota who described that and it seems like a cool tool to have

[astral lava]

game

[bleak thicket]

honestly
i hope they figure out how to give us some kind of warding system

[frail jasper]

Pulling and stacking camps 🙁

[astral lava]

*game's probably not really built for full wave denies like that

[rich grove]

lane creeps still get stuck on so much shit all the time at random please don't

i remember the days of the bebop toilet meta

[low sage]

Waht

[rich grove]

back before midboss was structured how it was, there were rope dropes to mid on either side of the bridge in blue lane

you would just uppercut creeps into the hole

flushing them into the toilet

[frail jasper]

I think I missed that phase of the map, I mainly remember the midboss arena from the 4-lane megastructure configuration

[rich grove]

the camps also seem pretty specifically placed to isolate you and leave you open to get the shit kicked out of you, pulling/stacking would defeat that entirely

[somber creek]

I do not want Dota camp manipulation in deadlock

[granite heath]

Well the neutral creeps can't move, so that's pretty unlikely

there's kind of the "leave 1 in the spawn box" with the double sinner rooms

[rich grove]

it was being suggested above

[granite heath]

ah

[vivid nimbus]

Seven would fucking love Dota style creep stacking

[granite heath]

I think a lot of heroes would

AoE abilties are a lot more common and spammable

and farming items feel relatively cheaper

[desert kelp]

is the weapon damage breakdown screen broken?

it seems like its adding golden statue %multipliers to the base damage instead of well, multiplying by them.

[rich grove]

pretty sure that's how it's intended to work

it's +x% weapon damage as in +x to the bonus % weapon damage stat

[desert kelp]

look at the total damage, its lower than the base damage.

[vast sandal]

man

we outplayed the enemy team SO hard in this game and then our team just could not coordinate shit

[rich grove]

yknow I have no clue

got me there

[finite patrol]

i have never been able to understand wtf is supposed to be happening in the weapon damage breakdown

[maiden ledge]

i think im finally getting the hang of like

basic deadlock interplay with street brawl

sure, it loses a lot of the nuance in reference to the moba mode as a base

but i can react to heavy attacks now

even when everyone's ults are going off all at once

[autumn field]

ehehe

street brawl

[vivid nimbus]

Reverb on Abrams is kinda weird, what did you imbue?

[autumn field]

2

it was enhanced so why not

its mostly cuz i can get away with it

i mainly want the slow + lifesteal

[somber creek]

+50 spirit lifesteal on abrams is pretty good

[vast sandal]

@ivory reef I bring you more Mina-Pocket content from @rosewaterjelly

[lavish grove]

Can you ping me for Mina pocket stuff too? I really like them

[vast sandal]

got it boss

[lavish grove]

Thanks

[finite patrol]

why is the drifter dripped up

the drippedter

[merry verge]

Cool coats from dead people

[lavish grove]

From @ Mewkami_

[vast sandal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/539921798456672256/1477908306856247358/run_mina_run.gif?ex=69a678de&is=69a5275e&hm=07cc56d0077897def789be82166cf775d30ffdc7f88e1528dd3a6a8fb3cecb80

[vast sandal]

I'm afraid the Jokerification is starting to get stronger, now that I'm getting a hand of the game I'm starting to think all-or-nothing carries are sick again actually

[agile rune]

the goblin mask is calling for you

[undone galleon]

sick (bad) or sick (good)

[vast sandal]

sick (good)

[lavish shale]

I want to play carries, but I'm too bad to actually do anything with my farm on most characters because I can't hit for shit

Victor still the only one I can play alright

[spring tundra]

What is an all or nothing carry

[vast sandal]

Haze, Drifter, Vyper, Wraith, Seven…

The ones that need to win lane in order to be relevant before the endgame

[finite patrol]

3 of those are assassins

Wraith, Seven, and Victor are the only ones that really fit what youre describing in this game

[rich grove]

yeah Haze doesnt need too much to function

[vast sandal]

Idk I’m having a struggle with Haze in a lot of games even when I do the thing and only pick 1v1s, grind out farm as hard as possible if I lose lane, etc. I’m still finding myself in situations where it’s like

Yeah, that’s Bebop, he’s roughly even with you in souls, you got the drop on him completely but guess what he’s gonna pack you up in this 1v1 even if you use Fury Trance and drill your entire magazine into his skull from him starting asleep

Not to even mention the Hell that is trying to do your job as an assassin when your team is behind and you just aren’t on the same power level as your opponents, so there’s basically no one you can properly jump on and kill

Idk maybe I just need to pick targets better and not go “I’m an assassin, I can kill whoever I want as long as they’re isolated and I can burst them down” and focus on finding and killing their squishier targets and letting the team deal with Silver and Bebop and whoever else is going to be a giant fucking pain in my ass

[autumn field]

disarm + 4 combo vs silver

[vast sandal]

Shaking my head, why are Silver players rewarded for going “nah I’d win” at literally any target and mashing until their ult pops and they immediately win any and every fight

[autumn field]

phantom strike on haze...

weird but could work lmao

[vast sandal]

Yeah that might be a good shout

[agile rune]

yeah drifter isn't a carry

he doesn't get massive return on buying items and reaching a high level

idk if he's even an assassin, despite what he may indicate, I think he's more of a skirmisher

he just doesn't have the burst you want for an assassin imo

[vast sandal]

Alright then I guess I’m thinking about stuff wrong and need to refocus a little

What am I trying to do as Drifter or Haze during the midgame then, just pick off supports who are trying to make midgame objective-oriented teamfights happen for their team and then fade before the rest of the enemy can figure out what I’m doing?

Because it definitely doesn’t feel like I can just arm wrestle the big midgame threats like Apollo, Bebop, Lash, etc.

Cuz I know if I was Wraith, my plan would be to go stuff my face and get strong as hell so come the endgame I’m ready to melt faces

[frail jasper]

AIUI Haze and Drifter's roles are more like

• run around being active on the map (lots of boxes as you go)
• jumpscare overextended individuals or anyone you can quickly 1v1 (depends on matchup, items, relative souls, etc.)
• be that one who shows up to a 2v2 and makes it an easy 3v2

[agile rune]

basically, be a menace

[frail jasper]

When I play Drifter, I get a lot of value out of Bloodscent purely from listening to hearbeats and calling out intel to the team. I'm usually not ahead enough to be stomping team fights but I can pounce on whatever key targets are around.

[agile rune]

jump scare people, make them scared to act alone

[vast sandal]

Got it, okay

[agile rune]

a condensed team is one not exploiting all the farm

and don't bother with tanks, even alone, as drifter

haze maybe because of fixation

[vast sandal]

So opposite of my mentality as Paradox or Doorman, where my approach is to show up and reinforce a losing fight or ball up with my team and act as a force multiplier

[agile rune]

but tanks just aren't worth your time as drifter

[frail jasper]

I have a want for a sound mod that changes Drifter's ult noise to a low-tier-god style "YOU SHOULD SHIT YOURSELF, NOW!!!"

[agile rune]

unless you can see the pick

[vast sandal]

Just gotta rewire my thinking to menace easy pickings instead of “Bebop is there and you, personally, need to be the one to stop him from Hyper Beaming your team to death”

[frail jasper]

Yeah it's less about "reinforce a losing fight" and more "you should be looking to start the most unfair fights you can find"

[vast sandal]

Okay I’m seeing what I had wrong then for sure

[frail jasper]

Drifter and Haze can sure get solo kills if you're skilled enough, but both of them will be perfectly happy being part of a 3v1 that murders one enemy in five seconds.

[vast sandal]

I really have to think differently about assassination vs being a hard support and jumping into a fight with the goal of evening things out

Paradox can change the entire trajectory of the teamfight by throwing herself into the fight and deploying that bum ass bullshit, Haze and Drifter have to go looking for a side of tasty overextended split pusher

[agile rune]

yeah you're not trying to fight the good fight

you're jumping people

[frail jasper]

throw sand in their eyes, tie their shoelaces together and tabletop them with your Mo

and then just vanish

[agile rune]

and in that big 6 v 6 team fight, you focus the supports, the easiest enemies to take out first, tilt the odds in your favour

drifter isn't the most mobile so you're not gonna be able to rely on abilities to get you out of dodge

build orange and green, I focus on mobility over health because mobility is survivability

[vast sandal]

Mobility isnt just life

I mean it is life

But also it’s how you get to the fight that you need to be at and out of the fight you can’t win

That’s a twofer

[earnest verge]

it's just as important of a skill as aiming is in this game, yeah

probably moreso

[agile rune]

mobility means you can get close enough you don't need to aim

[vast sandal]

I’ve started to get very good at rotating

[earnest verge]

about on par with having ecosystem knowledge 😤

[vast sandal]

Or well

[earnest verge]

yeah there's a few things to it, though conversely highly mobile enemies can make this very hard for you

[vast sandal]

I’ve started to get crazy urn run times

[earnest verge]

(which is where slows and other movement-disabling things come in)

[vast sandal]

Urn runners sure hate to see Haze coming

Only thing worse is not seeing her coming at all

[agile rune]

I really like warp stone for drifter, that extra big of gap closing can really make the difference

[vast sandal]

The other question I had is uh

How the fuck do you lane as Drifter

[rich grove]

melee lifesteal

[vast sandal]

You’re made of paper and your claws don’t shoot that far

[earnest verge]

use terrain

[vast sandal]

Is it just take the trade, fade out, heal up faster and repeat til you’re ready to kill them

[earnest verge]

pretty much. devil's always in the details.

(and the angel, in this case.)

[frail jasper]

Melee Lifesteal, either Close Quarters or Headshot Booster. If you're getting poked hard, buy Extra Regen (you go up to 7.5 lol)

[vast sandal]

Oh right Drifter regenerates faster than normal

[frail jasper]

He has base 3.5 regen

[vast sandal]

Huh

I have to think about that laning into Drifter too

[earnest verge]

like it doesn't work in every matchup but I find that you can get away with a fair bit of aggression in most lanes. As long as you stay above 50% or so health, flag creeps should sustain you

[vast sandal]

Because at first in Haze into Drifter I had them dead to fucking rights

But then things went bad as he just kept showing up and not getting pushed out of lane to survive

[agile rune]

don't worry too much about poking, focus on pusing creeps, if you see an opportunity to flank and can communicate and coordinate that with teammate, usually when one of enemy team is running jungle or boxes, murder

[frail jasper]

Melee Lifesteal is REALLY GOOD but it's a bit quirky. It works with your Rend, but you want to ONLY hit heroes with it to get +100 hp. If you clip even one trooper it only gives you +30.

[vast sandal]

Weird

[frail jasper]

If you practice landing it consistently it's a ton of health sustain though. Otherwise yes, always focus on clearing troopers first and then press onto enemies if the opportunity is there.

[agile rune]

you cannot be forcing action alone

you need someone to draw attention so you can then capitalise

[vast sandal]

Damn

Can’t set up your own action like Wraith

Or Haze

So you just gotta play patient early as you get your kit online and focus on pushing up and creating an angle, and then once they misstep or you see someone too exposed at too low health you go nuts on em

I guess that’s not too different than playing Haze tbh, she’s paper she just has a gun that covers all numbers of sins and gives you many easy angles to rake in damage

Gotta be more patient when all you have is your bare hands, but you have vastly superior wave clear to compensate

[frail jasper]

At least as far as lane goes, you can sometimes just keep left clicking them enough that their health is low and jump their ass. Especially if you're doing the Headshot Booster type of pressure. This works for both Haze and Drifter.

But that's a whittle-them-down kind of move.

Even though Drifter has like -45% headshot crit damage, HSB doesn't matter for that.

[vast sandal]

Sure, I’m familiar with how whittling your lane opponents down and then taking the golden opportunity to vaporize them works

[agile rune]

drifter works well to capitalise on team mate with good poke, like wraith

[vast sandal]

Wraith, Paradox, Doorman, huh

Why does that sound familiar

I guess the best way to know your ideal lane partner is to play your ideal lane partner

Paradox Drifter is a nightmare of a lane, you can’t hide and you also can’t run

[errant sphinx]

played two games of sinclair and had a big smile on my face the entire time

[agile rune]

you have the magic in you

[rich grove]

:)

[rich grove]

welcome

[agile rune]

thresh you shouldn't want people playing sinclair, then you'll get to play sinclair less

[rich grove]

I EXPLICITLY WANT THAT

[agile rune]

why

[mystic breach]

you control which heroes you put in your roster

[agile rune]

I wish I liked apollo more mechanically but man I am not built for that kinda mobility

[frail jasper]

https://youtube.com/shorts/CPmRWC1vVmA

[ivory reef]

https://youtu.be/AVkiyl3OA90 holy shit <@&1277035919182008330> visible enemy stamina

Visible! Enemy! Stamina!

[undone galleon]

oh did it get updated again

[agile void]

saw people going that its bad to show stamina and made it akin to when dota 2 made the lifebars also show mp

no idea if someone agrees with the sentiment here

[ivory reef]

Seeing mp is so fucking good and they should've stuck to it

More information good

You can already see the entire enemy build for free at any time

[mild flume]

imagine not having to hold alt to see creep healthbars

[finite grotto]

Can't wait for the new tech of hiding the new healtbar behind your model

[spring tundra]

Yeah in theory you could track how much stamina everyone has already

If you knew the game well

I don’t see why you shouldn’t be able to see it

[vivid nimbus]

Well if someone comes out of the jungle you don’t know how efficiently they’ve been traversing it

[spring tundra]

True true

[ivory reef]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzPT002Iy68 excellent box routes @earnest verge @bleak thicket @mild flume

[bleak thicket]

👀

[earnest verge]

ty

[ivory reef]

they start around 4:40

[spring tundra]

Box routes good because I have never felt like more of a jackass than like

Ambling around between waves for boxes

[magic summit]

In Dota it should be an option for people to turn on or not imo. Seeing mana on the bar above their head. Cause on a lot of characters I just won't care about that past laning stage

And on some I really, really care

And its tedious clicking on each individual

I agree with the new health healthbars showing stamina, even if the healthbars themselves are clearly unfinished

[gray otter]

have yall ever done a bot match against a bebop

its so funny

bc bebop specifically makes it clear that they coded the bots to miss

a lot

his laser is flicking all over the place

[finite patrol]

I have never played a bot match tbh they dont seem very useful

[vivid nimbus]

I've played in them just to autopilot and chill, or had a few bots to fill slots in a ~5v5 custom game

They might also cheat at income some

Because the other night a Wraith bot was like 0/8 but had the highest souls on its team of 5 humans

[gray otter]

theyre useful for learning map layout

[finite patrol]

yeah thats fair. id learned the map by the time I learned they existed

[autumn field]

im 99% certain they cheat

[bleak thicket]

yeah they probably dont get actual souls and get some amount per minute

[granite heath]

That's how you know Deadlock is a real RTS game

[ivory reef]

yessss yessssssssssss

[lavish grove]

Chat, if I watch previous matches do chat messages show up still?

[finite patrol]

only all chat i think? im not sure

[errant sphinx]

Team chat is still there I think

[lavish grove]

Nevermind I checked it is there

[vivid nimbus]

Y'know, all the "Yoshi pls give balance patch" amuses me because it's only been like 3 weeks since the last one

[lavish shale]

Wish there was a more convenient way to actually see the patch notes somewhere

[twilit roost]

Smh hate to see game devs get so lazy, where's my usually thrice weekly balance patches?

[autumn field]

i dont want to say it but i think im liking phantom echo abrams

[finite patrol]

its just straight up good

[rich grove]

the problem with abrams for me isnt playing him when you have two 6.4k items, its everything before that

[lavish grove]

From @ Teamili16

anyone I should ping for Apollo and Graves?

[autumn field]

i main both of them lol

[twilit roost]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/s/cj9lRtIQ3k hell yeah

[vast sandal]

Why you hidin', Shiv? Don't want to say hello to an old friend? (Drifter quote, if Shiv escapes from Bloodscent)
so Shiv is absolutely a vampire or something similar

[finite patrol]

no

drifter is just well acquainted with the Baxter society I think

[magic summit]

He's part of it

[vast sandal]

Drifter's not part of the Baxter society, but they've hunted him before

but the Drifter kill lines for Shiv imply there's something more

[magic summit]

Sorry I brainfarted and thought "shiv is well acquainted"

[mint latch]

For a guy who looks like that, Dynamo is very mobile

[hallow zenith]

I don't know where you're supposed to be able to see them anywhere

[autumn field]

deadlock forums usually

and the discord

[magic summit]

Yoshi sends me letters in the mail about them

[short quiver]

Lol

Lucky you

[autumn field]

lol

[short quiver]

So who's getting their knees broken?

[frail jasper]

Not rem, rem will get buffed again for no reason

Naptime now has no automatic wakeup time, you just sleep there until someone damages you enough

[finite patrol]

lmao

I can't even get rem 2/3 the time at high priority hes definitely not having playrate issues any more

I expect an abrams nerf and hope for a rem nerf

also an infernus buff would be nice

[rich grove]

i mostly want rem to not automatically win lane by pressing 2

[magic summit]

Abrams and Celeste

[vivid nimbus]

Also Shiv again, and maybe Venator

[somber creek]

Silver buffs

[vivid nimbus]

She might get blurfs (sp?) but she's too good at high level for straight buffs

[rich grove]

they're gonna swap out the ult reset at AP5 for temp bkb

[agile void]

There is this like

*line

the fact that silver seems to be actually very antagonistic towards shiv

[vast sandal]

Just make her a little less immortal while she’s ult and I genuinely won’t care if she has built in bkb

[agile void]

how the rest of the baxter society we know treats shiv like shit

[finite patrol]

Abrams is overtuned. Better nerf shiv and buff rem.

[agile void]

the only one that actually trusts him seems to be grey talon

[vast sandal]

He’s GT’s successor

[agile void]

and how shiv doesnt have a animal companion despite being from the baxter society

it all implies something off with the guy

[hallow zenith]

He has a robot arm, though

[vivid nimbus]

Disarm is RN like Silver's biggest counter so I doubt she's getting free bkb either

[vast sandal]

Also he’s red and he goes into an invulnerable blood rage?

[agile void]

yes, but he doesnt have a spirit animal

compared to grey talon or calico

who have the owl or Ava

[rich grove]

one time they gave warden ult bkb while channeling

[vast sandal]

And he has a weird ruby pendant that glows when he’s raging

[hallow zenith]

I didn't clock the animal companion as a Baxter Society thing before you mentioned it though

[rich grove]

you will note that this is no longer a thing

[vast sandal]

I think Shiv is a dhampir or something

[rich grove]

but maybe they're gonna do it again..

[hallow zenith]

bkb?

[agile void]

unstop in this game

[lavish shale]

Item in Dota that makes you magic immune

[vast sandal]

Black King Bar, DotA item that makes you CC-proof temporarily

[finite patrol]

with a bigass asterisk

[vast sandal]

They ult, you BKB, lol lmao

[finite patrol]

unless,

[vast sandal]

You die anyways because they saw that coming and do Some Shit

[lavish shale]

Because some stuff just goes through immunity for reasons yeah

[agile void]

but yeah, everything paints as there being something off with Shiv

[vast sandal]

I’m telling you

[rich grove]

yeah in this game it doesn't make you spirit damage immune (WHICH WOULD BE CRAZY AND THEY SHOULD NEVER DO) but it's just as famous for making you unfuck-withable and frankly it's just more fun to say than unstoppable

[vast sandal]

Shiv is holding back his Devil Trigger

[agile void]

or he did some shit that makes him irredemeable by most

besides talon

[vast sandal]

Tbh

[lavish shale]

He almost definitely is

[vast sandal]

Talon is also super cool with murder and crimes

[finite patrol]

which is what drifter is taunting him about

I GOT BODIES TO HIDE

[lavish shale]

One of the Patron dialogues for him is IIRC also like, what he wants to give up some would consider a gift

[agile void]

yeah but why engage with someone that knows or has "played around" with drifter if he hates his guts?

[vast sandal]

Because Shiv can be a massive asset if he turns face

[hallow zenith]

Hidden King says "Men would kill for what you're trying to give up here, Shiv"

[agile void]

also talon is ok with it because he is retired

[vast sandal]

And GT sees that potential in Shiv

[agile void]

that was pointed out with doorman iirc

[rich grove]

me when people who have done something wrong in their past choose to make their lives better instead of becoming giga hitler

[vast sandal]

To stop being a crazy murder maybe-vampire and starting cranking out windmill haymakers all over the monsters instead

Having a Drifter equivalent who is a good guy who kills monsters would be a huge W for the Baxter society

[lavish shale]

But yeah I don't think Shiv is fully human

[agile void]

It is still weird that despite having no arm he doesnt have a animal companion

[magic summit]

Half human

[vast sandal]

I suspect he is a dhampir or a vampire who has some kind of anti-vampirism suppressor in the form of his amulet

[magic summit]

Half chimpanzee

[vast sandal]

Also he hangs upside down while zipping

[rich grove]

bro ate it

[vast sandal]

Classic vampire move

[agile void]

I mean shiv was supposed to be a werewolf before

[vivid nimbus]

We don't know that there's any actual link, there's just a bit of correlation

[agile void]

we had in the files his "ult" form

[lavish shale]

Were monkey

[finite patrol]

shiv is the un mandated dotalike monkey king character

[rich grove]

monkeh

[lavish shale]

Appearance change when at full Rage would be neat

[agile void]

yeah, it is still a safe correlation considering that out of 3 reps of the baxter society, 2 of those have animal spirits

shiv is the odd one out

[vivid nimbus]

Don't make me post said ult form again

[rich grove]

NO

NOT THE POTATO SHIV

😭

[lavish shale]

Well now I'm curious 😛

[finite patrol]

post it

[vivid nimbus]

For you Allie, and anyone else curious

[lavish shale]

Lmaooo

[magic summit]

Chimping out

[agile void]

Also before another ult for him was an actual posesion

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1g4wvqt/shivs_old_ult/

[vivid nimbus]

Give Shiv a hidden passive where magic carpet gives him a cloud instead, no explanation given

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1fevl3n/ready_to_release_the_beast_unused_shiv_ultimate/

[finite patrol]

instead of punching people with his knife gun he should whip out ruyi jingu bang 1/100 times on heavy melee

[rich grove]

please don't give him jingu 😭

[magic summit]

All the hair grease is to hide the golden headband

It tightens whenever Shiv gets above a 40% winrate

[finite patrol]

I adore the idea of a monkey king analogue having none of the monkey king stuff ngl

[vivid nimbus]

What really makes him the analogue then?

[finite patrol]

mind over matter

[merry verge]

Confidence

[ivory reef]

https://youtu.be/ea4QB_SZO2c

[vivid nimbus]

Well I guess that's a citation then

[somber creek]

Does he use an AI voice for the woman in this?

[vestal hearth]

I wonder what this concept was meant to be. Cause it's a Yamato concept.

[ivory reef]

Oh damn is there an ai voice in this?

Sorry I didn't watch it before posting

The cardinal sin

[finite patrol]

oh fuck yeah

characters with hair as big as they are ✅

[vestal hearth]

Big hair seems to be a running theme.

[lavish grove]

Kinda sucks that this doesn’t seem to be the design they’re going for because it is my favorite of the yamato designs that were leaked

[magic summit]

Same

[lavish grove]

Unfortunately it doesn’t fit the whole, Yakuza transplant idea they’re going for now

[vestal hearth]

I already assumed since her voice lines and stuff are already complete.

[astral lava]

fine with her getting big hair and losing the hat tbh. do love the suit under kimono look tho

reuse the indian design for someone though pls god

[lavish grove]

I’m not a big fan of the model that’s been leaked rn

Idk why, I just don’t super like it

[somber creek]

Im not sure

The random other player who glazes Apollo sounds very AI-y

[astral lava]

the hat doesnt look very Japanese but also not quite right for American gangster

[lavish grove]

Yah I think that’s it

It neither fits Yamato as a traditionalist Japanese warrior, nor her suddenly being the head of an American gang

(I know the seventh moon are Japanese but I’m talking about them being based in America)

[astral lava]

my gut negative opinion is "they tried doing the wide Korean hats as seen in kpop demon hunters despite that not being japanese"

[vestal hearth]

Sabuko from River City Girls.
Maybe something like this if they have to lean in one direction over the other.

[rich grove]

I think her hat is literally just there because for some reason her having a giant headbox is a balancing mechanic

like I genuinely think it's just there as a way to keep the rough proportions of the headbox in relation to the rest of her body

[raven spindle]

well, i don't think it's a result of mixing up japanese and korean styles, i think it's a case of blending a kimono and a zoot suit

bc zoot suits have the big hat, and Also the very prominent shoulders

[astral lava]

i guess it is kind of a zoot suit. which is also insane

[vestal hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/pizdax-gif-3512948038963477666

[vast sandal]

https://youtu.be/UIPJNz6aonk

the Hidden King personally sponsors the toronto accent guy

[rich grove]

i played with a torontonian in marathon recently and got hit with the konnichiwagwan minnaslime and nearly popped a lung laughing

[vast sandal]

I occasionally hit em with a konnichiwagwan minnaslime ironically but it's a dangerous thing to mess with

you don't want that in your lexicon

[gray otter]

i cannot see people mention the hidden king without thinking about "im lowkey evilllll"

oh thats why he's in the thumbnail ok

[frail jasper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1299176711149326377/1477938714951946301/1bf14913-92a3-478e-9599-e7c1e0611106.mp4?ex=69a73df0&is=69a5ec70&hm=ebebecbd1e16dbabaa08460905d238c520ba1dd9e534cae3978ffce621e2eb3a&

[undone galleon]

i think hes just gay

[somber creek]

This Apollo video is fucking me up

[finite patrol]

lmao

[somber creek]

Am I hallucinating it

No one else is responding to it

And I feel insane

[finite patrol]

I was gonna watch it after work

I did see it was posted

[vestal hearth]

This one?

@somber creek

[astral lava]

theres 2 people saying theres ai voices and thats about it

idk of theres anything else to discuss i havent opened it

[mild flume]

Its 50% now in dota but yea

[vivid nimbus]

Nice combo! (Assuming it's yours)

[frail jasper]

Not me, but sick combo nonetheless

[finite patrol]

Okay yeah that video does feel a bit strange

[finite patrol]

this is hot af

[lavish grove]

Rn my theory is that he’s a werewolf of some kind

Since Venator’s crossbow doesn’t deal extra damage to him like it does the vampires in the game

And his rage ability makes me think more of werewolves then vampires

They tend to be more associated with anger I think

[rich grove]

writing notes he's a beta and silver is mad at him for taking heat suppressants

[finite patrol]

thresh please stop aboing in the deadlock chat

[vestal hearth]

No, keep going!

[somber creek]

So

aparrently the Apollo VA responded to stuff

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1279436508662861824/1478203869002465352/image.png?ex=69a78c22&is=69a63aa2&hm=8b2a027d47683e50acaf204050cac14deee7ae4bbbcbe1df01cdf3d0c3bc37ff&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1279436508662861824/1478203963982741544/image.png?ex=69a78c38&is=69a63ab8&hm=1e68b1c9410dce86a7a61f84e3f255130d2cb4184f3a415a53a36eba42f0df1e&

[autumn field]

celeste hjehe

good lord

[vast sandal]

YOU GUYS I JUST CARTED 3 PEOPLE INTO OUR SPAWN ON BASE DEFENSE AND WON THE GAME

I am the Patron they should fear!

[autumn field]

lmao

[rich grove]

LMFAOOOOO

you sent em to brazil

[somber creek]

wh

[rich grove]

the movie brazil

the youngins dont know...

[somber creek]

Oh @ivory reef for context

[ivory reef]

ahaa

thanks voy

[vast sandal]

when is this replay gonna be ready

I need to get the clip of me carting half a team into my spawn

[finite patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEhPQBMxLfA

god i need to watch this again

[autumn field]

god a good rem is a fucking monster w/ victor

[astral lava]

best thing in this game is when you just don't slide down a ramp and crouch walk instead, a thing you will never ever want to do but the game decides just happens sometimes

[finite patrol]

velocity check

[astral lava]

do you like build up speed when you walk like it's witcher 3 or something

[rich grove]

most games do that yeah

basically only overwatch that i know of has zero acceleration time, you're just moving at max speed as soon as you press the button

[finite patrol]

characters with slow walk speeds like Viktor, Kelvin, Abrams, Bebop, and Warden are very susceptible to accidentally crouching on the stairs

[astral lava]

damn

yeah i got jumped by a warden and tried sliding away as mo and just. crouched

instant death

[autumn field]

yay mvp

[merry verge]

Nice also everyone glamming it up for picture day and then ol' Bop just o_%

[autumn field]

round 1 hehe

[bleak thicket]

https://bskye.app/profile/kenapplepi.bsky.social/post/3mg3wo6rbvc2h

https://bskye.app/profile/kimmykitsuragi.bsky.social/post/3mg3fff2ibc24 @sweet cobalt

[merry verge]

it should sound like a bumblebee in flight, little wings a mile a minute

[finite patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/apsgifs-waiting-patiently-waiting-patiently-emoji-patiently-waiting-waiting-gif-2677339561535435308

[vast sandal]

it's downloading

okay I'm uploading the very crusty version from the replay viewer that's just my POV

[finite patrol]

ARCHMOTHER: YOU NEED TO MAKE A STAND AND STOP THEM
Lunatic Blue: Hold my keyring

[vast sandal]

I want really badly to get the POV that shows them go through the door and then where they appear

[autumn field]

went from losing super hard to winning insanely hard on billy

eternal gift moment

924 DPS lmao

[finite patrol]

700 damage heavy melee lmaoo

[frail jasper]

just beat a pocket to death with my favorite pillow