Deadlock

[earnest verge]

also everyone thinks about his charge and his melee, but his gun also hits like a truck if you land your shots right

[rich grove]

i have never felt the enemy team vs my team dynamic more

oh yeah charge t5

phew whew

i've seen abrams players intentionally cut their charge off after they contact me so that they can sandblast my face off with buckshot

no melee whatsoever, just point blank blastin

[agile rune]

if you can't charge into a wall, charge into unloading a full clip does work too

[autumn field]

do abrams even buy gun items?

also deadlock / deadlock.wiki seriously need to add the actual pellet count / spreads to the shotgun stats

[final osprey]

gun damage equals melee damage. But his shotguns actually pretty good still, even after getting nerfed

[agile rune]

hand cannon

[frail jasper]

At least Point Blank and a few others, since as mentioned weapon damage = melee damage. I saw Hunter's Aura earlier today on an Abrams, imagine how nuclear those charge melee combos were

[agile rune]

Abrams is in a rare space where he can buy just about whatever he wants

shotguns are cracked

[frail jasper]

My friend likes to play Green Abrams and just anchor a lane endlessly such that nobody can contest them

Gets into a fight then wheels around to punch a healing trooper and keeps pushing

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1re7w3x/paused_mid_chase_and_got_this_cool_group_slide/

[mint latch]

Hmm, you guys think it'd be fun if the respawn are in waves?

[tidal elm]

Wdym?

[agile void]

winged actually talked about this

[vivid nimbus]

Also hiding in the lane veils because Abrams is a right bastard to try and chase out of there

[ivory reef]

Lmao I literally talked about it

And it's exactly the kind of thing I don't want

[autumn field]

Also wow I did the math and a max level Abrams deal like 150 with his shotgun

So he can just 2 mag you

Granted, Haze and Vyper will tear you down in like, 5 seconds each

(This assumes 2.5k HP, no resil)

[mint latch]

Like how TF2 has people spawn in waves, so people spawn together

You died first, wait 12 seconds, but someome dies 6 second after you, they only wait 6 seconds, so you both respawn at the same time

[autumn field]

Possibly incentivizes risky plays to capitalize off that

Also might result in a street brawl situation

[terse aspen]

I think individual respawn is good for a moba, since there are things you should be doing to get an advantage that aren't directly fighting the enemy players. I like that it's not a game about constantly going and shooting the enemy team's players, and instead only doing that as a means to an end.

[autumn field]

Yeah

It’s a game where if an ally dies in coordinated play it’s the other players jobs to play around that

And playing survival is big, giving any way “out” of that can be unhealthy

[finite grotto]

I would actually be curious if there is a moba that has wave respawn

[mint latch]

One day I will be the change I wanna be in the world and do that

Experiment a little

[finite patrol]

I think wave respawn probably works fine in street brawl

[bleak thicket]

yeah it might be fine in brawl

[autumn field]

Yeah for brawl it sounds fine honestly

Would probably make the game more fun, if anything

[gray otter]

not necessarily, mostly she just sucks

[mint latch]

Hehe

[gray otter]

:)

[tidal elm]

today I had the displeasure of finding out Gun Rem is indeed a thing.

I also need to find a way to deal with High health tanks, Abrams is not fun to play agaisn't

[astral lava]

toxic bullets. Tankbuster. Spirit burn. Healbane

[vast sandal]

giant health, tox and tankbuster

giant healing, healbane and also toxic bullets again lol

toxic bullets is the "I can't stand these tanks" buy

[tidal elm]

tox seemed to do the trick for a while
however rem pulled out an Uzi from that pillow and we got demolished

[astral lava]

still unsure how worth it is on vyper with her time buildup stat

[vast sandal]

vyper's gun is a bullet hose

you'll be ok

[somber creek]

Vyper's gameplan does rely on shooting people so generally if someone is healing through your bullets you should buy toxic bullets

[agile void]

Inhibitor is also a thing

normally if someone is surviving through lifesteal you are actually fucking over their healing way more by fucking up their dps

toxic is still good to clean big hp bars though

[ivory reef]

I'm also a believer in the power of disarming hex to shut down healing

there's normally some kind of weird healing economy they have going on you can disrupt

or even like. curse.

curse solves a lot of problems

back in my day we used to call it sheepstick and we'd sheep people...

🐑

[vast sandal]

Cursed Relic will shut down anything no matter what they're up to

but at that point why not Focus Lens them and fucking evaporate them

death is the hardest CC

[ivory reef]

so, this is actually a really interesting question actually. lots of use cases where one or the other is better

the short version is dispel magic

the longer version is that if you let people do stuff the bonus damage may not be +ev

compared to not letting them do anything

in dota these items are orchid malevolence / orchid and scythe of vyse / sheepstick

[vast sandal]

I mean I’m kinda just being tongue-in-cheek about “why turn off their kit when you could turn off their life”

[vivid nimbus]

Focus Lens is good for casters, Disarming Hex is good for M1s, Cursed Relic works on everyone (at a penalty to yourself)

[ivory reef]

so yeah orchid vs sheep is a really interesting question always

[vast sandal]

But I do also get how this is a real question

[ivory reef]

also I love their change to cursed relic, it's very good, and tbh something like that in dota would be fire

[vivid nimbus]

I also would not be surprised if the damage penalty to Cursed Relic increases to 10%

[ivory reef]

yeah in dota it's much subtler

in dota, sheepstick is an extremely expensive intelligence item. that means you're losing a ton of value if you buy it as a non-int hero because only int heroes scale damage off of int

it's just kinda not correct for most carries to buy it. most.

it's still correct for like, me playing OD

big extremely mad int bird

the original twitter poster from outside time

[astral lava]

Just CC Them

[vast sandal]

Your mana. I’m devouring it.

[ivory reef]

so I'm one of the few characters running around with a sheep and infinity right click damage

[vivid nimbus]

Cursed Relic is an expensive spirit item and not everyone wants a lot of spirit, but also everyone gets something out of 6.4k spirit investment

[ivory reef]

I can see how they put in the -% damage so that it scales badly on carries directly in deadlock

cause spirit scaling is so much more universal a system

[astral lava]

put silencer in deadlock but instead of stealing int on kill he makes your cooldowns longer

[ivory reef]

btw - spirit scaling is absolutely stolen from league of legends and I will give them credit for this

[vast sandal]

They take your 6.4K investment right the fuck back

[ivory reef]

this is a pure LoL invention and it's a good one

I see the value in stealing it for sure

[vast sandal]

Also I gotta say

[ivory reef]

I think the dota stat system is not good tbh

[vast sandal]

Item color investment

[ivory reef]

I've never liked it

[vast sandal]

It goes hard

[agile void]

....

[ivory reef]

oh the item color investment thing is actually more dota logic

[agile void]

did you forgot that Silencer is actually a thing dire?

[astral lava]

silencer is a guy in dota

[agile void]

ah

[ivory reef]

league used to have a problem, dunno if it's still a case, where more expensive items were actually more stat efficient per unit money than cheaper items

it's the opposite in dota which is correct and more interesting

means it's worth splashing

[astral lava]

https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Silencer

[astral lava]

extremely still the case

[ivory reef]

like +1 int/str/agi is 50 gold and +10 int/str/agi is 2100 gold

and that means space is a real limiting factor in your thinking

[astral lava]

and now they got Mythic Items

[vivid nimbus]

Mythics are gone

[vast sandal]

Having stat investment be its own scaling factor independent of what items do is uh

Real smart

[ivory reef]

yeah it's good

I like it a lot

[astral lava]

oh lmfao good they were deeply stupid

[ivory reef]

it's a cleaner implementation

[vast sandal]

Like don’t make me think about if this item is efficient unto itself

I want to counter Victor

[vivid nimbus]

For those who don't know, Mythics were a thing in LoL where you could only get 1 Mythic ever, but also every Mythic scaled per Legendary item you owned (which were the top tier before Mythics)

[agile void]

tbh deadlock before had a problem where everyone just filled their slots with cheap items

[vast sandal]

I’m buying Healbane, don’t give people ammo to criticize me for buying it over the poop shitto item that’s marginally more efficient for the % healing reduction but only if you do the Macarena

[vivid nimbus]

So it was just correct on almost every champ to get a Mythic either first or second item

[ivory reef]

huh

so mythics weren't expensive?

they sound... expensive

[agile void]

then swap those cheap items by the time they progressed enough into the game

[vivid nimbus]

Okay, well, when I say first item I mean as completed items that don't have further upgrades

[ivory reef]

that's not a problem that's super duper how it works in dota

[agile void]

it was similar to getting the spikes we have currently

[astral lava]

they were still iirc

upgrades from other normal expensive items

[ivory reef]

and it leads to very interesting decision spaces

[magic summit]

I played briefly when league had that and just felt it was an encapsulation of the general theme of limiting the plays playspace down of what they want you to do

[vivid nimbus]

Component items don't count, boots don't count

[ivory reef]

in dota you normally buy a pile of 6 items and they're all cheap survival stuff

[earnest verge]

i mean that kinda makes sense, early soul-efficient items into later more powerful items

[ivory reef]

and you use them all or sell them

by the time you get mid game items

and then you sell a bunch of those by the time you get to late game items

[astral lava]

every single tank one being Literally Just Sunfire Cape

[agile void]

Tbh I think it was a problem before when we had the designated slots

[vivid nimbus]

There were three tank mythics but only one was ever good in the meta at a time 🙄

[finite grotto]

there is actually an interesting short from a designer about this uh one sec

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/HwFAoNewjeI

[vast sandal]

Speaking of itemization

[ivory reef]

like, number-go-up-and-I-sell-nothing is sort of that wave respawn kinda thing I was talking about where it's an emotionally smooth experience but not actually as deep or interesting

[finite grotto]

ye league kinda follows the opposite direction of dota for this

[agile void]

you know, the 4 gun, spirit and health items

[ivory reef]

and dota generally prefers interesting

[vast sandal]

I’ve been trying to explain to a friend that Trophy Collector is 3200 souls sunk into nothing when you buy it

With a side order of “eventually this gets good”

[agile void]

so everyone bought fleetfoot or healbane if they werent interested in those categories

some items just became must haves

[ivory reef]

trophy collector has been good in a bunch of patches and I don't think it's necessarily bad even now

[vast sandal]

I don’t think it’s pure evil

[ivory reef]

3200 souls itself can bring you to breakpoint

and there's some more nuanced stuff going on in deadlock that isn't happening in dota

[granite heath]

I really like the attribute system.

[autumn field]

It does take 10 minutes at 16 kills to break even

Which is quite a bit of time

[vivid nimbus]

I think RN one of the two resilience items is preferred for that, or stamina mastery

[ivory reef]

like. uh. deadlock is really weird with how souls = both your item budget and your exp pool

[agile void]

meanwhile cultist sacrifice does the job quicker arguably

[ivory reef]

like if you sell an item you lose item budget

but you don't reduce from your exp pool?

[vivid nimbus]

Assuming you're not a character with more specific green needs

[ivory reef]

like if I spend 800, sell it, spend another 800. I have 800 souls in my items

but 1600 in my levels

[vast sandal]

My issue is that Trophy Collector is giving up a critical power bump if you buy it early enough to hit 16 stacks

[ivory reef]

I can understand that, it is for sure one of the better systems I've seen

it's much much better than souls games etc

[agile void]

technically that comes in the form of "boons"

boons are your levels

[autumn field]

Trophy collector is a really unique item

[ivory reef]

but I think the scaling attack damage thing and every hero having a colour isn't really that interesting and is kinda ignored on most heroes

[autumn field]

It needs to scale just right so in late game it’s hella strong but at the cost of a weak early

[vivid nimbus]

Green 3200s that I think are generally really good and not that character specific: Bullet Resilience, Counterspell, Dispel Magic, Metal Skin, Spirit Resilience, Stamina Mastery

Trophy Collector is instead a niche item

[autumn field]

Given how prominent spirit is

[vast sandal]

Like I consider Trophy Collector on Doorman because Doorman likes every stat it gives, likes the 3200 investment, and is committed to getting that much kill participation because that’s his job

[autumn field]

Spirit resilience is a must for me

[autumn field]

Yeah Doorman, Lash, I think Seven?

[finite patrol]

consider fortitude instead

[autumn field]

Well depends on the Seven tbh

[feral umbra]

I always get it for Lash and Dynamo

[agile void]

spellbreaker being "cheaper" makes it a real question

[vast sandal]

I don’t but it every game, Fortitude usually edges it out for me

[autumn field]

Honestly spellbreaker is a bit different

It’s just good having flat 30% more HP vs an Apollo, spirit Seven, etc

Those are super common in my games

Of course a good apollo will counterbuild tankbuster

[final osprey]

getting trophy collector in Rem is good as you want its stats and you should be roaming to steal enemy farm and heal your allies.
Plus the souls per minute really add up

[agile void]

still, since you are already roaming and stealing sinners

you dont need the extra souls

[bleak thicket]

out of everyone
ive never been lacking in souls on rem lol

ive ended games with 12k extra souls i just couldnt spend

[agile void]

exactly like jenny said

[bleak thicket]

[vivid nimbus]

And like Fortitude, Majestic Leap, Veil Walker are all good for specifically roamers, in different ways

[final osprey]

Those souls go to your whole team not just Rem.

[earnest verge]

even better!

[vast sandal]

The core of this is that I have a friend who opines that every hero buys Trophy Hunter as soon as they have 3200 souls because best item in the game you’ll have stacks in 5 minutes it pays itself back ezpz never inefficient

[agile void]

the sinner ones dont actually go to you?

[ivory reef]

... they don't?

[agile void]

the ones that are shared are the ones picked by the minion waves iirc

[autumn field]

I think it’s funny how Rem can fucking troll the shit outta an enemy team

[agile void]

sinner souls stay with you

[ivory reef]

sinners always go to rem

i checked

[finite grotto]

I am never sure about getting bullet resilience

i guess it is good if you are active locked

[feral umbra]

I mean if they can stack it to full in 5 minutes they might have a point, but in my experience its nowhere near that fast and if you can do that with TH then you can do that with Burst Fire or Tankbuster, too

[finite grotto]

but metal is so enticing over it like so often

[ivory reef]

well, I checked reddit to be fair

[autumn field]

Because you can build nonsense like Silence Wave Disarm Cursed Relic Refresher

With trans cooldown obviously

[vast sandal]

See I feel like I could call them on it and go “so how’s your kill participation looking champ” but that would make me an asshole

[feral umbra]

screenshot his stacks lol

[ivory reef]

don't call pub allies on stuff it's just rude

[vivid nimbus]

Bullet Resi is def competing with Metal Skin, but I'd take it vs poke-heavy instead of bursty bullet threat, or if I couldn't afford the mobility lost

[ivory reef]

like as a rule if you're playing solo with pubs just kinda accept that they have build sensibilities and their own plan and you gotta work with that

[autumn field]

Also funny thing, despite one of my builds being like, “cultist is OP asf on billy” I don’t build it because I’m too busy in lane

[vast sandal]

This is someone I stack with regularly

[feral umbra]

I'm just going to point out that somewhere, at sometime, he's gonna run face first into scenarios that won't let him get his stacks up, and either he's gonna have a meltdown about his team, or he'll have to figure out how to adjust his builds

[ivory reef]

ahh

yeah up to you and them then

[frail jasper]

The problem is that it doesn't actually help you get those stacks, and takes a long time to pay for itself. Compare it to cultist sacrifice which gets you a whole host of useful benefits that directly accelerates your ability to win fights and farm faster

[feral umbra]

you need like 6 stacks to pay for itself?

[vast sandal]

Cult Sac my beloved

[earnest verge]

i guess the question is, is it rude to suck at warcraft (yes)

[feral umbra]

that's six kills/assists

[earnest verge]

(unless it isn't for your particular dynamic idk go off and have fun)

[ivory reef]

yeah my stack has a lot of like, healthy debate let's say

I don't think we've ever failed to come to consensus on tactics, it sometimes takes a while but we eventually settle on something

[finite patrol]

if they were my friend I would hit em with the "4 stacks?" megamind

[feral umbra]

lol

I dunno, it works for Lash who wants to bound around and kill people, and Dynamo who is always getting assists via ult and knockups

I dunno who else it would work for as a reliable always-buy

[somber creek]

Seven and Rem both benefit from it

[feral umbra]

hell I don't even buy it on Lash unless my lane has some healthy kills

[frail jasper]

Paige and other supports

[feral umbra]

yeah but always buy?

[somber creek]

Not always

[agile void]

Still, there is a valid compromise between trophy hunter and cultist

cultist gives you benefits faster, boosts your gun and so long you hit t3 creeps, its a good investment

[final osprey]

I think there's an argument for Calico/Drifter who's job is literally to go around killing people.
Like it's further investiment into snowballing for snowball characters. But it is putting more eggs in a basket thats already going to kill you if you drop it.

[agile void]

compared to trophy hunter which needs to be built up over time, and its a health investment

[frail jasper]

I stand by cult sacrifice giving you essentially the same benefits without presuming you're already winning fights, it helps you actively do better immediately

[somber creek]

Cultist is soul efficent but also just kind of a bad item if you aren't a gun character

While Soul is good if you're spirit

[feral umbra]

I always forget to use my cultists

[agile void]

not even, it gives you more farm power regardless of who you are

[somber creek]

Yes, and that's fine

[frail jasper]

I disagree cuz it's still soul farming effectiveness plus hp plus ability range

[somber creek]

but the rest of the item is pointless

and you're still paying for that

[vast sandal]

I’ve reached a goofy ass place with Paradox where I buy cult sac and weakening headshot early

Hell, I might start getting Ballistic Enchantment on her 1

[somber creek]

and you could probably just get the same benefits by buying spirit items

[agile void]

maybe, but if you are only going to get 2 items for the gun spike

[feral umbra]

I saw Ballistic Enchantment, is it good on Infernus or Wraith?

[agile void]

its cult sac and maybe fleetfoot/kdash

[feral umbra]

It feels like it should be but I've never grabbed it, I've been out of the loop for a minute

[frail jasper]

It got a lot easier for me to remember to use it when I learned that just eating a lane trooper is a close second to eating a red denizen

[vast sandal]

Are you hitting lots of people with a given ability consistently?

Ballistic Enchantment goes on your Ole Reliable AoE

If you wanna shred them with guns

[finite patrol]

I think ball enchantment is pretty much exclusively good on Ball

[vivid nimbus]

Ballistic Enhancement is probably pretty good on Wraith 1 or Infernus 1

[agile void]

Uuuuuh, ballistic might be good on dash fernus?

[finite patrol]

its fine on cons nade and warden ult ig

[vast sandal]

Crazy tech I saw: ballistic enchantment Drifter 1

[finite patrol]

that is indeed Crazy

[agile void]

paradox also is good especially if she has 1 maxed

[vivid nimbus]

Putting it on McGinnis turret is great for turret builds IMO

[vast sandal]

It makes his cleave enormous

[finite grotto]

it is also great on seven 3!

I am also doing it sometimes on pocket 1

[vast sandal]

Glocket???

[agile void]

issue with seven 3 is that the range is not as noticeable

and you are limited by the amount of times your electricity bounces

[finite grotto]

ye but you are not buying it for the range here but the dmg amp

and you can stack the dmg really fast on his 3

[agile void]

sure, still it might be better on 1 if your team is cc heavy

[finite grotto]

but i def see it being less popular on there then his 1

[autumn field]

… [redacted]

Also I met a Mina and Rem duo who were into project moon

[finite grotto]

for the 4,8 gun sometimes

[autumn field]

I love how my name catches so many people’s attention

[somber creek]

I prefer Ball Seven over gun Seven

You are just a complete preassure machine from absolute safety

[vast sandal]

ball out of control

what are they gonna do, stop you?

just chuck plasma

[lavish shale]

I go ball Seven because its easier to use

[finite grotto]

I vastly prefer 3 seven over ball

[finite patrol]

I find sevens gun very difficult to use for some reason

[lavish shale]

Harder to miss with a double range boosted ball

[somber creek]

The added benefit of Ball Seven over Gun Seven is that you are pushing invisibly

[finite grotto]

I love it

it is so nice to deny with seven gun

[vast sandal]

ball seven can vaporize a wave without showing face

[finite patrol]

its weird because Paradox has almost the same gun and I have no problems with it

[finite grotto]

ye but gun seven still has good ball dmg aswell!

[vast sandal]

seven's gun shoots less rounds and reloads more frequently

[finite grotto]

it is def tho preference

[frail jasper]

Reading up on how map vision actually works was very helpful

[finite grotto]

well tbf with 3 seven you still are more spirit then gun

[frail jasper]

If there's no heroes, you only appear on the minimap if

• you get directly targeted by troopers
• you shoot at them with M1
  You can use abilities and items on them without showing on the minimap

[finite grotto]

but I feels so good when you gun hits also hard together with everything you do

[lavish shale]

That's how it works??

[vast sandal]

also if an enemy hero gets vision on you

[lavish shale]

I had assumed it was just being within a certain range of them

[vast sandal]

nah mfs can't see you if you sorcerously destroy their waves

[lavish shale]

That's so weird

[somber creek]

Or if you melee them

[finite grotto]

i def need to buy the chalice more on seven

[lavish shale]

Does that go for structures too, or do those actually give vision?

[somber creek]

Towers always give vision iirc

[mint latch]

Tried Mo & Krill

Maybe not, not a big fan of cqc

[astral lava]

scorn has surprising big range

[lavish shale]

everytime M&K use Scorn, it should say SCORN in a loud voice
for the cinematic feeling

[agile void]

Wait so it is preferred if I just use skills to delete minions?

they will say "must have been the wind"?

[astral lava]

if yoyre close enough the minuins probably target yiu but hey why not

free speedy clear and maybe you don't get identified

[merry verge]

I want to know what the hell Scorn is, it's so weird compared to the rest of the kit

[frail jasper]

Generally yes if you're trying to be discreet

And there's a lot of value in deliberately hiding yourself from enemy map vision

Some heroes are just incapable of effectively clearing waves with abilities though

[vestal hearth]

By QTori 🍣 (@QT0ri) on Twitter.com.

[frail jasper]

Thanks for using your umbrella portal to the bat dimension as a light for developing these photo negatives, Mina

[vestal hearth]

I could see these two solving mysteries together.

[finite grotto]

yo

what is this pocket cooking

the fury trance

[lavish shale]

gun pocket is apparently a thing some people do

[severe loom]

Pocket heals?

[mystic breach]

might be a "sibling needs to get out of the kitchen" situation

[finite grotto]

ye i have seen gockets before but

never like this

[frail jasper]

Split shot fury trance pocket, madness indeed

[bleak thicket]

https://bskyx.app/profile/qtori.art/post/3mfozvh24rs2i

theyre on bsky

[vestal hearth]

Oh!

Thank you!

As I said, mystery solvers, girl kissers.

[ivory reef]

https://bskyx.app/profile/qtori.art/post/3mfozvh24rs2i

nooooo jenny beat me noooo

[vestal hearth]

LOL.

[finite grotto]

gockt vs spirit geist

who will win

[earnest verge]

gocket, you say

[vestal hearth]

Trying not to say anything.

[agile void]

what? about the Gock?

[autumn field]

[final osprey]

My favourite Deadlock character, The Pock

[rich grove]

[agile void]

the spock?

[final osprey]

The sprocket...

[vestal hearth]

I was so confused.

Is it supposed to be guns Pocket?

[earnest verge]

can lady geist beat the gock... et

Yes

[autumn field]

glock

glocket

minus the l for the silly joke

[agile void]

glocket just became the word for gun pocket, despite his gun not being a glock it rolled off the tongue easier than just gun pocket

[vast sandal]

imagine being Abrams and fucking Seven, the fuck-around-and-find-out king, goes "yeah I don't want anything to do with that book bud"

"that shit EVIL evil you gotta get rid of it"

[autumn field]

graves probably wants the book

[still swan]

Still wouldnt tell Abrahms what the book is at least

[vast sandal]

Graves strives to fuck around

[agile void]

I wonder if they will keep the relationship between oathkeeper and the book that was in the vn

[vestal hearth]

I hope we get Grave's litch leacher.

[autumn field]

probably not

[vast sandal]

Graves's teacher at best is a VN character type beat

[autumn field]

you think graves the type of girl to summon skellies to do cotton eye joe

[finite grotto]

big oof moment

I was so mad at missing the barrel timing and then so shocked when the other thing happened

[rich grove]

that is actually a real thing holliday players will sometimes do

althougj

usually they punch before they land so you get the full spirit strike damage buff on everything...

that uh

[finite grotto]

you can see my suprise in how slow i actually react afterwards 😭

[rich grove]

is a new one

[gray otter]

very late to the conversation abt league not having enough viable cheap items, my opinion is that it actually has a bunch of those, they just all build into something better so its optimal to upgrade them, which defeats a lot of the point

[finite patrol]

@finite grotto @plain furnace dont forget the Wednesday EU stack!

[warm sonnet]

I finally found my first bug with the new heroes, when you use Italian Loves Sand as Apollo and get Immobilized (such as Paige's Sword of Dame-ocles), your camera will be locked in the direction you were casting it.

[finite grotto]

I am not sure I can make it to the EU stack today sadge

[plain furnace]

no problems, I didn't feel much like too

[frail jasper]

@agile rune were you aware that isolated people get a debuff arrow pointing out the drifter who's currently staking them, i just learned of this
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1407115743476056074/1476302652529840218/2719BB1.MP4?ex=69a0a17c&is=699f4ffc&hm=1ce41f30308d16404bf995dcad79bcda8797bf5c20fd3b7f8bc9b2f04cd585e7&

[agile rune]

I was

[vivid nimbus]

Night Shift casters starting a five minute argument over the pronunciation of riposte

[autumn field]

Isn’t it just rip-oh-st?

Like that’s how Apollo says it

[frail jasper]

ō

[autumn field]

yeah

[frail jasper]

ripøøsty

[vivid nimbus]

One of the casters was saying it like "rye-post"

[granite heath]

Is anyone pronouncing the e at the end?

[spring tundra]

And that’s how we get to initiate 5 baby lets go I’m winning :p

It’s Rip, as in ripping, ost as in

Uh

Lost

[autumn field]

ehhh

[granite heath]

ripuhst, got it

[ivory reef]

Staking?

[rich grove]

i assume he typoed stalking

[ivory reef]

Huh

[frail jasper]

Yeah

[rich grove]

I vaguely remember Hunter's Aura also doing this at some point

[warm sonnet]

Or he's staking out a joint

[rich grove]

nowadays it just puts the shredded debuff icon above your head, which is still a dead giveaway but it doesn't tell you where they're coming from at least

[finite grotto]

welp i tried my best

[rich grove]

[finite grotto]

YUP

abrams bought phantom strike to fish me out of my ult wish seeing the state o this game was incredibly rude

😭

he appeared outta fucking nowhere

[vivid nimbus]

Striking like some sort of... phantom

[finite grotto]

it is true

many say that

[vivid nimbus]

Actually wait, in the clip you can just see him run in the front door and up the stairs straight towards you XD

Well, until the teleport part

[finite grotto]

oh yeah you can

[stable forum]

that's a ping indicator fairly confident

thats not a drifter specific thing

you just sometimes get arrows

idk fully why.

I think it's either 'ally has pinged here' OR 'there's an enemy here'

'in line of sight but you're not looking at them' sorta indicator

i'm not sure which though >.>

I think it's 'enemy indicator'

[ivory reef]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IhUjzxAJck

[autumn field]

Is that a Mari pfp

[spring tundra]

Suffering

Just played with an ivy who never bought any items in a 45 minute match lmao

[astral lava]

Did you report

[ivory reef]

? Please don't report people for being bad

Don't be that guy

[vivid nimbus]

Most likely? They were just entirely new and didn't know buying items was a thing

[spring tundra]

Yeag

[vast sandal]

there is a spectrum of like

[spring tundra]

I don’t think they were trolling just

Ough

[vivid nimbus]

If you came here off of Rivals or OW, those don't have buys

[spring tundra]

I am in the cycles of samsara

[vast sandal]

didn't buy items for 45min (is new to the game) and didn't buy items for 45min (actively flamed on allchat about how women are bad at video games)

[ivory reef]

The key is the allchat

[vast sandal]

no it is

[spring tundra]

Yeah I would’ve told them but I only noticed at the end lmao

[vast sandal]

I'm just relating how you could end up at "oh that player is griefing" from that sign because I did encounter this exact Type Of Guy

[ivory reef]

I get it yeah, I'm just exasperated when I see some friend take every little thing as secretly griefing

People don't really "secretly" grief by playing subtly bad I dunno

[spring tundra]

Yeah they weren’t lol

[ivory reef]

It's usually very public

They want a reaction

[vast sandal]

I don't think griefers are invested in being secretive lmfao

[spring tundra]

They want a reaction lol

And you don’t get that secretly

[vivid nimbus]

Actually something I saw in LoL sometimes is people just selling everything at the end. Sometimes to rage, sometimes just for memes, often it doesn't even matter because they're dead and don't respawn before the game over screen

[ivory reef]

I think that's closer to griefing yeah, it depends on how late it is I suppose

[vivid nimbus]

It's greifing if it's before the end-end, yeah

[ivory reef]

Yeah

[vivid nimbus]

And rarely, there's the awkward moment where they thought it was over but then their team clutches the defense

[spring tundra]

See that’s why u gotta believe

[bleak thicket]

@granite heath headshot booster works on paige

it goes and cool down and does add the +45 damage

[rich grove]

yeh

it's only graves that flat can't headshot iirc

[lavish shale]

yeah

[rich grove]

that and i guess like. goofy stuff like yamato/visc m2?

i think those can't headshot

[granite heath]

I've said this! After the Street Brawl that gave me Headshot Booster twice!

[frail jasper]

Paige has a chonky bullet at game start

[bleak thicket]

ah i remember you saying it going on cooldown
but i dont remember if you said it added the damage or not

[frail jasper]

35 damage is FAT when you hit 3+ and the enemy only has like 700 ish

[lavish shale]

actually now I'm wondering how Express Shot works for Graves

if it does at all

[vast sandal]

paige gets to have chunky piercing bullets in return for not being able to stop you from denying her

just fuckin mug her

[granite heath]

Securers get a pretty decent headstart on soul orb activation

[frail jasper]

And yet denying enemy souls with my big stupid letter bullets feels so good

[vivid nimbus]

She can prevent denys if she's got skills (bullet already in flight when orb becomes active)

[frail jasper]

That or you melee secure

[autumn field]

Graves is the number 1 denier

[rich grove]

if you out-cs your opponents on paige you're either fighting graves or there is a serious case of a kerillian issue

[autumn field]

CS?

[frail jasper]

Alternatively, let your lane teammate do the denying and you left click people with your book bullets

[granite heath]

Creep Score/Secure

[autumn field]

Why would you win against a graves and bow

[granite heath]

Left click on souls, hit people with book.

[frail jasper]

The act of last hitting or otherwise securing gold/souls/ whatever

[autumn field]

Like how

[rich grove]

by having the wave more than 5 meters away from her and breathing i guess

[autumn field]

You’re fighting against someone who can auto- oh

[rich grove]

there's enough weird finickiness with the auto aim and stop start targeting that occasionally she just gets robbed sometimes by a nearby creep taking priority

[autumn field]

Doesn’t really happen much to me

But seriously though if a Graves knows her range and uses it well

You can’t win in terms of souls

[rich grove]

that has never been the case for me

it's generally not the souls i'm worried about, it's the moment she gets ult and then unless you're already steamrolling, the jazz music stops

[astral lava]

is there some secret strat to using her ult early or is it just "her guys are beefy"

[lavish shale]

you just shove lane with it, if you can at all protect the gravestone

[spring tundra]

Finally broke my losing streak

Celeste is really fun

[rich grove]

it's just a bunch of flat hp that's really difficult to chew through for a lot of characters

unless you drop it literally right in front of them where they can heavy melee it's a really hard task getting out of lane while also not losing half your hp bar to the explosions

[bleak thicket]

https://bskye.app/profile/saltypokerface.bsky.social/post/3mfpnwoxszs2f

[lavish grove]

Unfortunately they are very cute

[vestal hearth]

I love these 3.

[magic summit]

To explain slightly more creeps are the Dota term for what Deadlock calls the Troopers

[mint latch]

https://bskye.app/profile/saltypokerface.bsky.social/post/3mf63xunn2k2i

[finite patrol]

@feral umbra @ivory reef @verbal rock @vast sandal @undone galleon <@&1277035919182008330>
Hey team, we got some stacks in 57 minutes! Who is in?

[vast sandal]

playing with friends

[ivory reef]

Oh gosh I just finished doing a teaching game

[granite heath]

"just"

[ivory reef]

I'm pretty pooped socially

Yes!!!

[granite heath]

it's been an hour :P

[ivory reef]

We stopped at 7:40!

[granite heath]

Anyway despite not being on the list I can also be around

[ivory reef]

Wait no a lil bit before that

[undone galleon]

still havent figured a way to run deadlock on my laptop w/o being hyperlaggy so no can do

[ivory reef]

Regardless! Even an hour!

[undone galleon]

should actually be removed from the list now that i think it lol

[granite heath]

but Ashley it's only 1906 right now
There's a nonzero chance I just assumed it felt longer because I myself am exhausted

[finite patrol]

I can remove you if you like. Up to you!

[finite grotto]

I would also be down!

[finite patrol]

supah dupah

so we got 3 atm then

[vivid nimbus]

I will see how free I am when the appointed time rolls around

[merry verge]

They should make Glass Cannon drop on death like Divine Rapier

[vivid nimbus]

Turns out I'm free!

[low sage]

Lockdead

[undone galleon]

if its not offserver again, im down to listen & watch

[merry verge]

I'm around but abundantly bad at the videogame

[finite patrol]

https://discord.gg/hZN7eeER

PKKMW

[somber creek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJHLHH0aqLM

[low sage]

I've been derping about with console commands and figured out how to force enhanced items in a custom match

[somber creek]

I can't upload videos to discord anymore

[finite patrol]

party code boatseted

lock in

[somber creek]

have I shown a clip in this server with all the sound mods I have installed

I don't think I have until now

[rich grove]

hell

[somber creek]

the music is not a soundmod but everything else is

unironically makes the game easier to play

Easier to track Venator when I can track the faint Freebird solo

[low sage]

Lol

[ivory reef]

You guys have fun!

[rich grove]

Umazing!

[frail jasper]

they got peel'd

[rich grove]

AWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[low sage]

Silver is great

[astral lava]

truly hate matches where someone just magically is like, 40k over everyone else even before they start getting kills

she ended up getting the most kills but idk

[gaunt badger]

umazing

[astral lava]

wish i could have these vyper games

[merry verge]

ohp that's a crash

[twilit roost]

Yaoi hands for the victory

[astral lava]

wish there was a way to tell how long a slide would actually last on viper. and or a way to keep firing when you get in to the animation instead of having to click again

[finite patrol]

<@&1277035919182008330> Need a 6th

[merry verge]

o7 good games

[finite patrol]

okay not a 6th, a few more

3 spaces

[merry verge]

I just truly don't know how to deal with the lategame tanks, staying away from them works early but they're all cruise missiles in the late

[lavish grove]

I feel like they’re the main reason late game teams tend to have like

7 or 8 disabling items on them

[frail jasper]

Healbane is important. Inhibitor is a big one. Stacking whatever their counter item is (slowing hex, etc) and other CC if that's feasible for the team comp.

[somber creek]

You also do eventually need tankbuster items

[frail jasper]

Tankbuster (spirit), Toxic Bullets (gun, %current hp), Decay (%current hp)

[merry verge]

Healbaned and Tankbustered and still just tickled 'em, but s'pose that's sort of a doorman problem

[somber creek]

Spirit Burn

Siphon Bullets

[merry verge]

Game ended 'fore I really got there but Idk if I could've hit the 500 with their spirit resist

[frail jasper]

that's sort of a doorman problem
yeah doorman doesn't get much of an answer for those massive tanks besides Spirit Burn or sending them to the Baroness. Luggage Cart is a stun if you're good with it, and of course pairs with door traps, but that's mostly just buying time for your team to clean up all the OTHER enemies first.

[rich grove]

yeah spamming CC is more in doorman's remit

better to just chain vortex web, echo shard cart stun

curse if you need

[merry verge]

I try, just feels like trying to fight off the ocean, a few seconds bought rarely affects an outcome

Mo is just slightly more off to the right now

[frail jasper]

look if you hit them with slowing hex -> knockdown -> baroness they're at least gonna be in there for several seconds, use that time to either kill someone else or run the hell away

though a thoroughly fed mo probably is the kind who will warpstone -> ult you and just kill you specifically if you show any degree of competency, in which case... idk more slowing hex and kiting

[merry verge]

Arhgh sorry I don't mean to whinge it's just like the one area where counterplay feels fake, Knockdown on Seven or Slowing Hex on Mina instantly felt, antitank is like.. tough

[frail jasper]

it's less direct for sure

[merry verge]

'How is Victor still gaining health' type of deal

[frail jasper]

the answer kinda depends on the specific one in question though, and your team's ability to coordinate to not feed them

oh, crippling headshot, that's one I forgot

huge resist shreds + healing reduction

inhibitor genuinely is a victor-dunking item

[merry verge]

:Tc that one i rarely see, should try..

Inhibitor is a beloved companion

Idk why people don't go Green items are crazy in there

[autumn field]

i still believe spirit + bullet resil is overpowered

its like, 40% more HP against the right enemy

[merry verge]

Especially when teams can end up All Spirit

I do think they try to matchmake against that happening but then folks do builds

[somber creek]

To be fair they are also dealing like 100% extra damage against you come late game

So it's good to have just a Flate Durability Increase

[merry verge]

Gun defense seems a little Metal Skin reliant

[somber creek]

Gun defense has a lot of options

Though funnily enough a lot of is orange items

[lavish grove]

It’s probably because there’s so many gun defense shredding items

Hollow Point, Hunters Aura, AP rounds, bullet shredder, and I’m sure more

It’s very easy to get rid of bullet resistance

[merry verge]

Hunters Aura does make drifters hilariously slow early game, kind of counters what he's aiming to do and his base speed is so weh

[somber creek]

There's a lot of ways to get rid of spirit defense too

[merry verge]

Victor/Paige eat resists for every meal

[finite patrol]

doorman is not great at dealing with em tbh

[lavish grove]

Not as many I think

[somber creek]

Doorman's great at dealing with them

You can't tank shit if you're in the Baroness

[merry verge]

I have sadly already been punched to death by Abrams

Who taught them about duration extender

I wonder if you can catch his ult slam with Baroness..

Great at Billy Removal though

[rich grove]

does unstop block doorman ult?

I genuinely don't know

[lavish grove]

I think so

[rich grove]

you can't get mo ulted while you have bkb but that's specifically because Mo ult stuns

at least I figured, anyway

[autumn field]

6.4k counterspell that reflects shit you counter

[finite patrol]

i dont think anything stops doorman ult Its Special

[rich grove]

likewise Dynamo ult doesnt do shit

except for counterspell, yeah

but that's because the spell is, in fact, a spell

[merry verge]

Unstopp blocks it, yeahp

[rich grove]

grazy

[finite patrol]

oh huh

[rich grove]

I guess cause it movement locks

[mossy lance]

you can, though, tank the damage from it spitting you out and the 5 people waiting for your ass when it does!

very, very briefly.

[vivid nimbus]

Get locked in place while you're stuck punching a 7000 hp MnK

[rich grove]

the old reflect Legion Commander Duel

[autumn field]

You’re dead either way

[vivid nimbus]

Normal counterspell lets you skedaddle

[autumn field]

Actually true

[rich grove]

i fucking love countering spells

[mossy lance]

unrelated: i'll admit, i've been having a lot more fun now my teammates just let me fuck around and find out

[rich grove]

as in they will abandon you to your death or

[mossy lance]

the checklist for "things to learn" is still abysmally long but i feel can actually absorb info now without being micromanaged

[mossy lance]

and not necessarily

[rich grove]

i was gonna say that just kind of happens to me in general

[mossy lance]

right lmao

if i get jumped that is just fate

[rich grove]

wardenuinely a good skill to learn early

is to not try to throw your life away after your teammate throws theirs

[mossy lance]

its def more a case of me realising i really don't perform very well when i'm being told constantly to do/don't do

call outs are fine or like "go defend" but when i just cannot absorb like, Actual Lessons during gameplay

[frail jasper]

just finished a game where almost every fight was my team running into an already-lost skirmish single file

[terse aspen]

Relatable

[mossy lance]

i really just need to find the rhythm and figure things out and otherwise ask if i am lost/confused

[frail jasper]

active coaching and trying to get lessons during a game isn't a very good learning method, especially if you're still figuring out what even needs to be improved

[mossy lance]

right

i def got something going though. i think i can start to internalize things rather than just zoning out on pure killer instinct

[rich grove]

yeah not everyone is the right kind of pervert for mid set coaching

[mossy lance]

its bad enough that i forget slide or parry are mechanics, i am NOT going to internalize anything you say to me

its stuff i can get in retrospect (i really need to slide more it is embarassing) but in the moment i am more machine than person

[rich grove]

my blood tastes like metal

[mossy lance]

relatedly unrelated

turretginnis fun

[frail jasper]

better practice is to go into a game knowing 1-2 things you specifically want to improve on (sliding, parry are good topics) and keep just those in mind

[mossy lance]

very satisfying way to play 'ginnis

[mossy lance]

yeah thats how i heard it too and i'm def keeping that in mind

[frail jasper]

I never could get turret mcginnis to work right

I dunno what I do wrong but it just gets nothing done

and so I go back to [evil bullets M1 hose] mcginnis

[mossy lance]

i don't know how it works right but i walked out with 55k and 58k hero damage in two games

so something is up

[rich grove]

the damagerrrrrrrrrr

[mossy lance]

it helps that the ult goes insane too tbh

its a good way to get people who are trying to retreat

seeing i have infinite spirit items and range on it anyway (for the turrets)

i otherwise don't feel like i ever want to use it ironically

but yeah, it really is just a case of "try and get as many turrets into a fight as humanely possible" and then give them infinite fire rate with heroic + heal aura

[rich grove]

it has a crushing weakness to people running up to you and pushing your shit in

so using it when they run makes much more sense

until you get lightning scroll

[mossy lance]

yeah its incredibly funny how quickly i die

[rich grove]

which is maybe the one case in which you inituate

[mossy lance]

when they just decide

"actually wait. i can just punch you to death"

[mossy lance]

yeah this'd be the only time i'd consider opening a fight with it

otherwise i just never know when to press 4 until we've basically won and they're trying to disengage

"can't do anything but scribble with this giant ghost circle" kills the pacing for me even if it is like super spirit M1

[merry verge]

I still see a lot of people trying to challenge Bebop Ult DPS

[mossy lance]

so i just often never use/upgrade it until late and focus on 1/2/3 lmao

[rich grove]

hey
hey
hey
you can draw a penis on the floor

[mossy lance]

implying i can't do that with turrets

i can get 5 of them out at a time easy

thats more than enough for a penis

[rich grove]

i was imagining an outline but i guess you could just make kind of the upside down Y

[mossy lance]

i mean yeah

i thought it was implied i'm lazy by the fact i'm playing turretginnis /j

[vast sandal]

Vyper's crazy fragile huh

[rich grove]

she is an even pickier pick hero than haze

who already has a very lithe and twinkish hp bar

until she gets siphon or other similarly nonsense items she can get absolutely turned inside out if focussed

the problem really is just catching her

[agile rune]

Infinite ammo tho

I’m genuinely surprised she’s not better

[finite patrol]

haze is pretty strong rn

good pick. pick pick. good good.

[vast sandal]

unlimited ammo, but no ammo (you're dead in a blink)

[hallow zenith]

Just don't get hit

[vast sandal]

what is a "pick hero" btw

[hallow zenith]

Keep on sliding

I've pulled off some goofy escapes with her extra slide speed, and sliding up slopes

[finite patrol]

someone with a good ability that catches one or more enemies when out of position so you can jump them

mo n krill is the best.
doorman and haze are very good as well

[earnest verge]

Short for "pick off"

[finite patrol]

there are a bunch of heroes with solid pick

[rich grove]

paradox/holliday are probably the other premiere examples

[vast sandal]

oh so the guys I play lmao

[finite patrol]

the pickerrr

[vast sandal]

I see

[rich grove]

if your hero's play pattern can be described as "me when I fucking GET you" and after you fucking GET that person you're kind of out of gas for a while, you're probably a pick hero

[vast sandal]

okay I understand now

[finite patrol]

thresh, explain further

[rich grove]

haze used to be played as a traditional hypercarry, but her end game damage falls off a cliff comparative to infernus/wraith/mirage due to plated armor owning her harder than most other carries. as a result, haze's play pattern currently revolves around her strength in early-mid, where she can go invis and hunt for players who are out of position, using dagger to remove their ability to interact and bursting them out of existence with m1 and/or ult

paradox/holiday just abduct you into the loving arms of the entire enemy team

[severe loom]

Chat is there a better feeling than winning a game the enemy team was flaming you during the entire time?

[rich grove]

viper is kinda like haze where she excels at running you down but initiating with a hard disable requires her to spend ult

[earnest verge]

(Also, while damage wakes the target up, you can apply damage-less debuffs on them as further setup, to stop them using abilities or mobility to escape)

[vast sandal]

can you sleep someone and then activate Focus Lens

[rich grove]

yes

[vast sandal]

ah

[rich grove]

sleep into orchid can happen

[vast sandal]

I understand how to play Haze now

[rich grove]

I don't buy it because it's sort of expensive, silence or slowing gex is much more economic

[finite patrol]

winning a close game where the enemy team were homies and everyone was having a good time

[rich grove]

but orchid is like

"I fucking hate you, specifically"

[severe loom]

Honestly, fair

[rich grove]

"and I'm not willing to sacrifice 8% damage to buy curse because I hate you so much"

[earnest verge]

Vyper's ult does admittedly have an incredibly short cooldown iirc, if they haven't nerfed it

[rich grove]

yeah fair

[vast sandal]

it comes online so often

you can just do it

look at a guy

"yer dead"

[rich grove]

unlike haze though you explicitly can't do anything to them they're just held still

still really really good obviously

just haze privilege

[earnest verge]

With caveats*

[rich grove]

ofc as soon as she gets the 5AP upgrade/AP rounds/rapid recharge daggers

[vast sandal]

tbf it also lets your team just gang up on a fucker

[rich grove]

you know what it is

yeah it's basically a boof holliday or paradox ult

the team just has to wait a couple seconds before taking them to jjk-ville

[vast sandal]

boof???

[earnest verge]

excuse the aussie

[rich grove]

it's not quite as good

both of them deliver the guy to your doorstep

rather than your team having to come to the guy

and in pubs where people lack object permanence that is a big drawback

[vast sandal]

but viper ult is also on paradox cooldown

c'mere

[rich grove]

or if they can be peeled-for by their team

[vast sandal]

what does boof mean in this context though please explain

[rich grove]

oh it literally just means knock-off

like kludge or jank

not the uh

not the other thing

to be clear

[vast sandal]

yeah ok

[finite patrol]

boof means blunt
blunt means dull
dull means ineffective

[vast sandal]

don't boof Vyper's venom

[finite patrol]

I made that up btw

[rich grove]

vyper no you're going to get autobrewery syndrome vyper NO

[rich grove]

https://youtube.com/shorts/i9sOmTS8N5g?si=bdsOSlRTqWxGS8fD SCREAMS

oh my GOD

this first clip

[frail jasper]

successful games had, duo queue is so much more tolerable than solo queue

[agile rune]

nerf sinclair

[autumn field]

God Sinclair being skill ceiling 10 trillion is like the coolest shit ever

[frail jasper]

two games in a row I laned with a graves into a sinclair, as soon as he got ult you better believe my lane became a bone-zone ghoul brawl several times

[autumn field]

Like man, the whole thing about your own defenses being your offense as well, having built in trick shots, etc etc etc

[frail jasper]

lash ult into refresher dynamo ult is, however, sick as fuck

[vast sandal]

I need there to be Vyper-Silver conversations soon

[agile rune]

you on graves?

oh

I have reading comprehension

[frail jasper]

Two games, I was Drifter/Rem and my friend was Graves both times

[agile rune]

does sinclair let you target allies to copy their ult?

[frail jasper]

No.

[agile rune]

tragic

[frail jasper]

That can be his Aghanim's Scepter upgrade when that gets added to the game.

[agile rune]

graves sinclair lane with extra tombstone

[autumn field]

God they’d fuck themselves 3 ways over with those conversations

I know they’re gonna be raw as fuck

And fuckin ra-

[agile rune]

I do not get this reference

[vast sandal]

No the premise of this content is two women whose lives are utter wrecks who are both thinking “as long as I never make out with her I can’t have hit rock bottom yet”

[frail jasper]

Aghanim's Scepter is an item in Dota 2 that upgrades your (usually) ultimate ability in some way, but it's 4200 gold (expensive). There's also Aghanim's Shard which (usually) upgrades one of your basic abilities, or gives you a new one sometimes. The usefulness of these ranges from "buy literally every game core item" to "this is just a money sink you can ignore forever".

[agile rune]

ooh

[vast sandal]

there are two types of dota hero

agh buyer

and not agh buyer

well I guess there's luxury aghs buyer as a third category

[agile rune]

I make people say agh

[frail jasper]

Like uh, Rubick's 1 is a Telekineis lift on a single target + AOE stun when that target lands. Agh's Shard upgrades it with:

Allows you to target yourself or allies with Telekinesis. Throw range is 35% longer when targeting allies. Throw delay reduced to 0.5 seconds.

And gets this for Aghanim's Scepter with his ultimate, Spell Steal (which does what Sinclair's ult does except it works on literally any ability that involves pressing a button):

Aghanim's Scepter Upgrade:
Increases cast range, and the number of spells that can be stolen to 2.

And these items apply to spells stolen with his Spell Steal:

Aghanim's Scepter Upgrade:
Upgrades the stolen spells to their Scepter version.
Aghanim's Shard Upgrade:
Upgrades the stolen spells to the Shard version.

[agile rune]

it's exponential value

[frail jasper]

This is Enigma's on Black Hole (literally the same function as Dynamo's):

Aghanim's Scepter Upgrade:
Black Hole deals additional damage equivalent to 3.5% of the unit's Max Health per second and does a non-interrupting pull towards it in a 1200 AoE. Pulls at a rate of 175.

[agile rune]

that seems good

[magic summit]

I do hope for an aghs in this game eventually

[agile rune]

I conceptualise black hole a lot like zarya ult in OW

[frail jasper]

It is good, but also black hole is so good on its own that frankly it doesn't need that aghs upgrade. Unless you're fighting like, an Undying or Pudge who has a 5-digit hp total.

[mystic breach]

listen, Silver is a mess and has an alcohol problem, but there's that and then there's being Vyper

like, at least she has a job

[agile rune]

Vyper is happy about her lot in life, unlike silver

I support a problematic queen

[mystic breach]

her job involves throwing bolas at Vyper (presumably after Vyper murdered her parole officer)

[agile rune]

that's what being part of the commonwealth does

vyper would never be paroled

[mystic breach]

okay mr. drifter pfp man

[agile rune]

Aneta, I rock this look

[autumn field]

Yknow fair enough

[vast sandal]

Silver notionally has a job

[hallow zenith]

Hey
She didn't murder her PO

He's fine

-# probably

[vast sandal]

she's living bounty to bounty on the premise that there's actually gonna be another one when the money runs out

[agile rune]

she even has a potential backup job as a sideshow werewolf

[vast sandal]

which is like maybe half a step up from mugging the shit out of Lady Geist as a career path

[agile rune]

in her defence, the cursed apple has yet to let her down with the bounties

[autumn field]

Silver is also an alcoholic

[agile rune]

we should mug Lady Geist

[autumn field]

Who probably doesn’t fit well into society because of her being a lycanthrope

[lavish shale]

Silver is such a failgirl

[vast sandal]

the difference is really that Silver only kills the people that she legally has license to kill

otherwise she isn't doing much better at the whole "keeping your shit together" thing

[autumn field]

Silver x Paige

[vast sandal]

Shiv's like the filet mignon of bladework, you know? I'm more like the greasy spoon diner food that you get when you're hung over but you never really wanna finish when you're sober, you know what I mean? Flawed, but lovable.

she's got a way with words

[autumn field]

And I suppose to Vyper, Lash is the chateaubriand, the best of the best, and quite literally so

[vast sandal]

you see Lash flinging knives around?

[agile rune]

I see him being an asshole

[autumn field]

Not quite knives but a hot sexy- I’m not going to pretend I’m Vyper

Ew.

[agile rune]

venator ult goes through dome??

[frail jasper]

Nothing can stop the judgement of God

[rich grove]

ap rounds goes through dome

[agile rune]

there's some sort of joke about a priest and dome

[edgy fog]

I saw Vyper and Mirage conversations recently and damn me if I don't like how opposite they are to one another.

The most sleazy cheap lying betrayer x the most sincere loyal educated ambassador.

[agile rune]

he's not an ambassador, he's the loyal bodyguard of the ambassador

[edgy fog]

Ah yes very true

It's still a surprisingly fun pairing

[agile void]

I do wonder if Mirage is carrying nashala around

or if that is functionally a conduit for the rest of his skills

[agile rune]

I'm pretty confident that's nashala

and he's just mostly a normal guy who shoot good

[final osprey]

I was going to dispute you but guy who can turn into a tornado is probably not that abnormal for Deadlocks universe

[agile rune]

I think nashala is doing that

[agile void]

Yeah, its just surprising to me that as a bodyguard he considers it fine to carry nashala around in a dangerous area/active warzone

Unless they are that desperate or Nashala just wants to be there to support mirage in the ritual

[agile rune]

well he's participating under her request, and he probably thinks it's safer to have her with him than leave her anywhere else in the cursed apple

especially considering paradox wants to steal her

[agile void]

fair enough

the only thing that maybe is from him in his kit seems to be the scarabs

[final osprey]

Mirage does directly state that he thinks the safest place for Nashala to be is right next to him.

[agile void]

I do hope she chimes in every once in a while later down the line

https://youtu.be/BIGi00WLh5E

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1rejzk9/im_sitting_in_7/

[agile rune]

gotta be 4 or 5

8 would be best but I will not have drifted behind me

10 would also be solid

[final osprey]

I think 4 is probably one of the worst. Billy is a down right rude person and you have Lash/Beebop behind you

Even if Billy isnt going to be an asshole to you, he'd probably start something with someone around him anyway

[agile rune]

aren't lash and bebop in front of you?

[agile rune]

I will happily fight billy

besides I expect him to be mostly distracted by mina

[edgy fog]

I feel like the entire plane is going down anyway

[final osprey]

I think 7 is honestly pretty good. Even though you have Henry/Savannah to your left. Mo and Krill are just chill dudes, and arent petty criminals who are going to rob you or anything

[edgy fog]

I'd take 7 yeah

Hell I'd be willing to invest in their ventures

[still swan]

7

Maybe 5

[edgy fog]

My choice is 3 however. Because I want a front row seat.

[agile rune]

if I read it backwards and drifter is in front of 8 and not behind I think that's a pretty good spot

[edgy fog]

I stick to 3 because being surrounded by lash bebop Billy and sinclair is like being in the center of a hurricane of arguments.

[agile rune]

I think you're undervaluing how much hate mina is gonna draw from billy

he'll be too busy with her to bother you

[final osprey]

I don't think Leika wants to be focused on. I think it's more, getting to sit in the centre of multiple arguments around you

Like Lash and Beebop, Henry and Savannah are all arguing with one another not with you. That's the theoretical fun I think

[agile rune]

5 might be best because while, yes, you are next to 7, you are also next to Rem

[final osprey]

I think 5 also presents the oppurtunity to just skip the whole trip. One favour for REM and you can conk out for the entire thing.

[agile rune]

or 7 kills you, and that's a coinflip I like the odds of

[tidal elm]

billy is the kinda guy that if you punch good he will respect you for life

just cause you throw hands good

Different question is
Imagine a car trip with one of them
You're passing the AUX to em, who would be the best passenger
i'm taking Dynamo, he 100% listens to stuff like history audiobooks, also seems like a great passenger to have

either him or Mirage

[edgy fog]

I'd go with Mo and Krill, if the car can fit Maurice

[tidal elm]

I'm torn if Drifter would listen to like
johnny cash or stuf like "Death Don't Have No Mercy"

assuming he's chill during the trip

[edgy fog]

It depends how old he is

[tidal elm]

Drifter? he's like at least 100 years old
We don't know the exact age but he's old
The wiki mentions him "hunting the living for Generations"

[edgy fog]

Turn of the century music

either that or he's a really intense swifty

before she's even born

[final osprey]

Drifter puts on a mix tape and it's just musicians who all died in 'mysterious animal attacks'

[stray arch]

Drifter looks like he’d be too smelly to be in the car with long enough tbh

[plain furnace]

1 sounds like the perfect place for litterary leftists
2 is great even though you will be a couple therapist, but Ivy will be nice to all
3 seems a bit stiff
4 will finish in argument real quick
5 is trying to prevent a child from buying firecracker
6 TBR
7 chill, genuinely cool. do not try to make a deal
8 is it the grumpy goth / rainbow smiling meme ?
9 too much past and present trauma
10 you're too close, they can't hurt you

[stable forum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1281742836878020722/1476587306856218624/image.png?ex=69a1aa97&is=69a05917&hm=7b0140f80d686e115dabdc70550878f2bb680952ab2add2717a442d12382390c&

you see some builds around

[lavish grove]

Sometimes people eat a little to many greens

[stable forum]

i think this is because there's a fed calico

[edgy fog]

Sustain : )

[lavish grove]

I remember watching my friend play a Venator game and she kept buying counter green items until it was 40 minutes in and her only gun items were close ranged and intensifying magazine

[edgy fog]

THAT'S THE POWER OF LOVE!

Top player damage and top healing on the team

[lavish grove]

There’s no love in Rem

That is a creature filled with hate

And malice

[vestal trench]

behind 7 and then i kick the back of his seat the whole time

[edgy fog]

My pillow is filled with Love and Whimsy and Plutonium

[agile void]

I think the worst thing here is the fact she is making it work

4/2/6

[stable forum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1281742836878020722/1476591998852141218/image.png?ex=69a1aef6&is=69a05d76&hm=6d4d0b5f9d8cb382d1f65deaa8d74bd0e9b32dddb3df681a5b7ee00f239d6363&

[finite grotto]

my goat haze

[agile void]

beating a mcginnis in healing

[finite grotto]

damm yamato needed to hit more powerslashes

[edgy fog]

I have seraphim wings on rem

Flying!

[vivid nimbus]

Trophy collector??

[edgy fog]

Had a game just then with a powerful Dynamo

Geist and Shiv on the team, I am Rem of course

We had three deaths that game, one each for myself, Shiv and Geist

Dynamo never died

I saw him ult like twice and both times it completely reversed the flow of battle

Which is something to note down for myself. The blackhole is a great iniatiator, but it also will save people when they think they have you in a team fight

[stable forum]

idk I think it's bad

but also this is like

the 2nd highest rank bracket in the game and they made it work???

local child gets obliterated for messing with lady's gambling

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1281742836878020722/1476615535977566360/7C270A1.MP4?ex=69a1c4e1&is=69a07361&hm=da46496a86759a9d7916e805b71da80a7e70d333ad9c7da33ddf2f02fd864cbe&

[tidal elm]

she was having her alone time, you chucked a pillow at her, she responded with a steel pointed boot between your teeth

[vivid nimbus]

Check the usernames, Dauntless is the wolfgirl

[stable forum]

I was playing Silver that match

[tidal elm]

OH lmao, sorry
Well you kicked their teeth in then

[edgy fog]

In response. Spoilered was my build.
https://youtu.be/1MrMfu5bXKc

[stable forum]

a

[tidal elm]

Oh gods, 10 hour of the gamble machine gingle

[lavish grove]

Chat, do you know if it’s cool to stream/upload deadlock videos with mods?

I’m slightly worried with how mods are often perceived by companies

[edgy fog]

Yeah I'd say that's perhaps a little uncertain

but also if you're not too big...

[lavish grove]

That’s also true

I am in fact

Not known

I’m not even gonna say well known I’m just not known

[bleak thicket]

it should be fine

valve aint nintendo

[lavish grove]

That’s true

I’m mostly worried from my time in FFXIV

Where mods are a very “don’t ask don’t tell” thing

[final osprey]

Deadlock Nightshift has some mods* active and they're the only Esports Deadlock has, so if steam had issues they'd probably have said by now.
*They've got a special Mo skin is the one I'm aware of

[lavish grove]

Oh sick

[magic summit]

I regularly see videos of people with mods uploaded

I doubt this policy will continue upon release

But for now you should be good

[agile void]

@edgy fog @lavish grove @final osprey like sly said, currently the devs dont really mind

[lavish grove]

[agile void]

the only time it gets less "black and white" is when its stuff like top bar mod

or when it showed stuff like midboss timer or the builds

there was an argument to be made at the time

[lavish grove]

Yah the only mode I’ve got are purely cosmetic

Model replacements and icon replacements

[agile void]

but if its purely cosmetic its fine

I mean, it has to be since they have a "mod" tag in their fanart forum in the discord

[lavish grove]

Oh neat

[agile void]

basically, "Dont cheat with it and we gucci"

[vestal hearth]

https://youtube.com/shorts/208viCozYOE?si=PuK-HnbBKsirzDpT

https://youtube.com/shorts/5URq1iDTECI?si=IPwXjmBo4nrg0VFE

[vivid nimbus]

The thing about midboss timer is you could just hit a stopwatch on your desk when you hear it die, people used to do this in LoL before overlay programs started being made

(So c. 2012)

Or doing the math in your head and typing the respawn time in team chat

[somber creek]

I do like how League just straight up shows you the timers

[lavish grove]

Yah, the UI mods may be towing the line but they do not show you anything you can’t figure out in your own

[somber creek]

I mean, eh, it's not like there's anything in game that tells you how long the boss takes to respawn

It does feel like an unfair advantage in that regard

[lavish grove]

Yah probably