his w is also mean
#Deadlock
finite grotto
ivory reef
magic missile is very very very strong
rich grove
finite grotto
I have no idea how you are supposed to catch a good sinclair without active items
ivory reef
it just kills people
vast sandal
Sinclair has this CRAZY laning poke
merry verge
Magic Missile is demonic
rich grove
: )
spring tundra
What the fuck
vast sandal
where you summon an assistant and then you magic missile a fucker
spring tundra
That’s evil
rich grove
: )
autumn field
What if we get Meepo
spring tundra
That’s of the devil
rich grove
merry verge
I don't think Meepo works outside an RTS
rich grove
: )
autumn field
Ok how does that work
vast sandal
okay so
spring tundra
Clearly we get one character who will have top down perspective
gray otter
would meepo be the best character in dota2 if anyone could play him
rich grove
please look at the paradox's hp bar after i press one (1) button
vast sandal
if you have an assistant out as sinclair, magic missile spawns twice
once from Sinclair and once from the assistant
rich grove
at level 0 the assistant bolt has half damage
vast sandal
magic missiles also have retargeting so hitting people with both of them is not a problem
rich grove
with the 5ap upgrade that gets removed
frail jasper
t3 bolt has assistant do 100% bolt damage yeah
rich grove
and you powerspike to the fucking moon
spring tundra
please look at the paradox's hp bar after i press one (1) button
I think I would quit the match if I got hit with that during laning lmao
frail jasper
spring tundra
Like I’m just done
rich grove
you don't
vast sandal
you don't
finite grotto
locking on lmao
rich grove
there is a kind of arcane and weird tech where you can get the bolt to lock into their position by aiming below where they are on your screen
frail jasper
simply peer into their minds and or future and discern where they're going to move
rich grove
but that's a guaranteed way to get your bolt to miss
finite grotto
its like a zoe q but in 3d
rich grove
as you can see in the Paradox clip, I have to guess that he's running to shop
flick there
and then that's how I get the killshot
finite grotto
altough i think it is actually easier to hit in 3d then in like a league/dota perspective
rich grove
it has a really nutty splash radius
gray otter
oh so hes zoe
granite heath
I swear Pocket jacket makes the Xmark sound...
rich grove
and no distinguishable falloff within that range
so it's not like you have to actually direct hit them
but it's still pretty easy to get juked if you're not practiced with it and you pull the redirect too early
finite grotto
oh so hes zoe
zoe q with a leblanc clone/w kinda (clone shoots q and autos and they can swap) and a aoe polymorph and sylas ult
rich grove
or if you aim in the wrong spot and the targeting redirects to a spot that's closer forward/further backward than you'd want
vast sandal
if I see Sinclair in lane I've already decided who's getting murdered
rich grove
and yeah
Sinclair is a full lane terrorist
unless he's fighting someone of equal heinousness in lane like Rem it can just often be over
vast sandal
like it could be Seven or Infernus or Wraith or fucking whoever that's a massive lategame threat
finite grotto
I am having ptsd
rich grove
as soon as he hits the rapid recharge timing that's it
vast sandal
I'm coming for that Sinclair
spring tundra
Tbh I feel like I haven’t seen many sinclairs
spring tundra
I don’t have a ton of hours in the game at all
But
Maybe just because I’m low tier and they’re complicated
finite grotto
they were zooming at mach 5 just running and oneshooting
finite grotto
I was the only one on my team that bought a coutner item
active curse does seem to mega fuck them
rich grove
he's extremely janky to play, he has a ton of character specific bugs, his 1 is basically THE way you get value and if you can't hit 1 you are straight up dogshit if your ult is on CD
you need to grind the character
finite grotto
cursed relic*
vast sandal
well
rich grove
but I forced myself to one-trick the character
finite grotto
if 2 more team members bought cursed relic easy
rich grove
and now I can do this shit to the lobby
vast sandal
there is also the facet that Sinclair's assistant clones their gun.
rich grove
to be honest the gun is really awful relative to other guns because it inherently cannot slideshoot as well as other characters
there's like a 1s delay that is sinclair exclusive between sliding and shooting
and that can often be most of your slide
finite grotto
ok uh does anyone know a fix for a bug where it says that there is a new version of deadlock but there is nothign to download on steam
rich grove
couple that with the low mag count and it's a really unpleasant experiencee
vast sandal
nah I'm just saying that Sinclair's gun getting cloned is something you gotta watch out for in lane too
rich grove
oh
vast sandal
it's surprisingly damaging to get double-shot
rich grove
oh yeah it's monstrous damage lmfao
rich grove
NOT BECAUSE WE'RE NONBINARY BUT BECAUSE WE'RE TWO DUDES
somber creek
WE ARE A WALKING DIVORCE
autumn field
“I HATE MY WIFE”
spring tundra
What is side shooting
finite grotto
this has convinced me
vast sandal
Slide shooting is using the property that when you’re sliding you have infinite ammo
finite grotto
they are in the rotation lessgo
finite grotto
ok uh does anyone know a fix for a bug where it says that there is a new version...
also re i had to just restart my puter
vast sandal
The smaller your character’s mag the more relevant it is for you
vast sandal
Wraith? I mean free ammo’s free anmo
rich grove
yeah, slide shooting is core to basically every m1
vast sandal
Vyper? You literally have to
autumn field
Super important on Vyper
finite grotto
NOPE I STILL HAVE THE BUG AHHH
vast sandal
The BUGS are back
autumn field
Because your RoF is like, 3000000000000 RPM
rich grove
Vyper is genuinely nonfunctional if her slide gets interrupted at any point so she is devastatingly weak to knock-up effects and slowing hex
her mag is like. 2.
finite grotto
I looked into viper builds and damm shit is whacky
astral lava
running out of slide is sad on her. also not being able to just fire immediately out of a slide, gotta click again
rich grove
but TTK is long enough that unless you're omega fed and running the lobby, you're going to need to slide to extend a mag if you want to avoid letting them slip away cause you reloaded
finite grotto
there are the hybrid vipers and then the gun vypers who max e/3 and then say all the hybrid vyper players are dumb
vivid nimbus
The smaller your character’s mag the more relevant it is for you
It's also more relevant if you're fast enough for dashless slide, like Seven or Wraith or Vyper
rich grove
the difference between my life as an M1 before and after I forced myself to slide shoot more consciously is like, night and day is not a big enough statement
you're dropping the rock lee weights
vast sandal
One of the people I play with is so allergic to slide shooting that she buys Active Reload
Just to have more bullets on hand
finite grotto
Seven sliding good
rich grove
I mean active reload is fine if you don't have stuff like Burst Fire or Fleetfoot
it's the best reload 1600 on Haze because QSR is a bit antithetical to how she wants her ganks to work
frail jasper
the last few sinclairs I've been up against have been exceptionally slippery bastards
vast sandal
ok uh does anyone know a fix for a bug where it says that there is a new version...
It’s Tuesday.
frail jasper
not counting the assistant swapping
somber creek
Sinclaire is like
there is a dedicated base of perverts who play Sinclaire
And I don't say perverts insultingly
finite grotto
It’s Tuesday.
gotcha (also it got resolved yay)
frail jasper
I do like sneaking up behind a sinclair though and just standing at their assistant they left in a room somewhere, waiting for them to swap away from my team ganking them
then SURPRISE, THE CHASE IS STILL ON
spring tundra
Also
Doomed feeling of “oh god I actually need to get better at this game”
Just started playing to hang out with pals but after we lost like 3 games in a row last night
vast sandal
I feel like playing a lot of Paradox is starting to make me a character specialist pervert of a different type
frail jasper
just eagerly waiting for the swap so I could murder sinclair
somber creek
Sinclair players attract the people who play like
Techies and Shaco
Just without the invisible traps
rich grove
you play the character because you're a freak whose brain is incorrectly wired in such a way that you can actually use the character's boof ass kit
and as one of those people
it does unfortunately feel awesome
vivid nimbus
One day there will be a mine character
vast sandal
Paradox definitely feels like another pervert character for strange people but in a different sense, I’m playing normal Deadlock but I’m moving different with these wack ass spells
vivid nimbus
(Spirit Snare and Hex-Lined Snap Trap don't count, they're for CC more than damage)
The mines don't even have to be invisible, if you can stick em to walls like demoman
vast sandal
Also shoutout to tank players who think they can stand in the pulse grenade
You cannot.
vast sandal
Every Billy player goes “nah I’d win”
lavish grove
And I always do
vivid nimbus
Yeah only the initial cast
frail jasper
It's easy to forget that each pulse of the bomb is +6% damage amp
vast sandal
Don’t stand in the fucking pulse grenade, I’m gonna murder you with swap because you’re at 8 stacks
finite grotto
I should try spellslinger on drifter actually
frail jasper
I saw a clip earlier of some paradox who had max trophy collector stacks + greater expansion and T5 bomb, that thing's radius was immense
vast sandal
Your HP pool means nothing to Paradox pulse stacks combined with the %max wall of despair
lavish grove
Chat, y’all think billy is Paige’s brother?
vast sandal
You’re gonna fucking die
spring tundra
I saw the funniest shit ever the other day
somber creek
Nah
rich grove
nah
frail jasper
surely if Billy was her brother she'd have comments about it
spring tundra
Which was paradox throwing down the bomb on the enemy team all clustered up
And then the friendly kelvin bubbled them
vast sandal
Doubt it
spring tundra
They were trapped in there with him
vast sandal
Which was paradox throwing down the bomb on the enemy team all clustered up
And ...
NOOOO
rich grove
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
rich grove
THAT SHIT GOES THROUGH WALLS KEVIN YOU CAN'T EVEN SET UP BEHIND COVER TO AVOID IT
HANK
HAAAAANK
frail jasper
he hopes to out-heal the bomb (you cannot)
spring tundra
On the other side
vast sandal
HAAANK DON’T DIVE PARADOX UNDER TOWER HANK
finite patrol
Chat, y’all think billy is Paige’s brother?
nope
vast sandal
YOU’RE GONNA GET SWAPPED ONTO DEATH HANK
spring tundra
I was playing mcguiness the other day
finite grotto
i should try out paradox
rich grove
irish...
finite grotto
her gun seems fun
spring tundra
So I went to pop up the wall because she was being chased by our drifter
I missed by like
A fraction of a second
vast sandal
Paradox has a really solid gun, I build Cultist Sacrifice and Weakening Headshot in lane to harass people
vast sandal
Before I buy Duration/Expansion/Cooldown
merry verge
I need some kind of mod that lightly tazes me when Cult Sac gets off CD
I never friggin notice
spring tundra
yeah that's the rite of passage for mcginnis players
The wall is like
frail jasper
sometimes when your fate is sealed you just gotta stop moving and crouch for mercy (they never give mercy)
spring tundra
The only ability of hers
vast sandal
You have to demo walls if they’re bad
spring tundra
That I feel like I’m still figuring out
rich grove
wall is busted but it's so, so easy to grief with
it's a really hard ability to manage and its only saving grace is that it's not on ult cd like kevin dome
on the other hand, this makes even more opportunities for you to fuck up sometimes
vast sandal
As an aside I think Paradox McGinnis would be a fucked up lane
rich grove
and sometimes it's not even your fault, physics is just omega jank
spring tundra
It and Ivy’s air drop are the two most infuriating griefing abilities on gods earth
vast sandal
Imagine getting swapped under their tower and then walled in
finite grotto
I wanna die wtf is this???
vivid nimbus
I like that McGinnis has voice lines that are self-aware about bad walls
vast sandal
I wanna die wtf is this???
It’s Tuesday!
spring tundra
But nothing will ever piss me off like me about to like, win a fight
And our ivy just grabs my ass
vast sandal
You can’t play Valve games on Tuesday Vero!
lavish grove
I wanna die wtf is this???
Game has been broken for a bit
rich grove
ivy's air drop I will maintain is not actually a grief, it's just that your teammates will spam mashing space as you are trying to save them, early drop, and then kill themselves
lavish grove
Didn’t let people que
finite grotto
ahh
vast sandal
It’s not broken, Steam servers are down for maintenance
rich grove
that's their skill issue
finite grotto
ahhh
spring tundra
Okay, ivy FEELS like griefing when you’re not like
lavish grove
It’s not broken, Steam servers are down for maintenance
Nah it was unrelated broken
spring tundra
In chat with the ivy
lavish grove
It said it needed an update after you updated
vast sandal
Oh worm
spring tundra
Because their reasoning for doing it to you can be incomprehensible
rich grove
95% of the time though you should probably just be self-dropping in pugs
spring tundra
I’m just gone now
vivid nimbus
finite grotto
i recently found my review for tf2
lavish grove
Canonically toxic wall placement
rich grove
as an intentional balancing lever
frail jasper
did you know you can cancel out of viscous cube as well?
vast sandal
I see a lot of Ivy players selfdrop out of fights they’re losing
spring tundra
Never cancel the cub
rich grove
but yeah you can self-cast it and just drop the FAHHHHH bomb yourself without having to drop an ally
spring tundra
Cube
vast sandal
There’s special voice lines for it too
vivid nimbus
You can also cancel out of friendly Bebop hook
However, you will not have the reaction time or awareness to expect an accidental friendly Bebop hook
frail jasper
no, canceling out of the cube is actually a bigbrain play because enemies like to heavy melee it for some inconceivable reason, so when they charge up you cancel out and parry them
rich grove
truke
finite grotto
yo ucan push the cube funny with light melees tho right?
frail jasper
pushing the cube at all is just kinda folly, it doesn't do anything unless you somehow slide them down a ramp or something
rich grove
woe parry be upon ye
vast sandal
I’m gonna actually mald and lose all my hair the next time a FUCKING Viscous uses the cube to escape a cart
Get back in there you lump of fuck
spring tundra
Man
I’m at the tier where like
People just don’t parry you
And it’s really funny
vivid nimbus
pushing the cube at all is just kinda folly, it doesn't do anything unless you s...
I mean it's free forced movement
finite grotto
oh ye deadlock community hub telling me no one is ingame sadge
finite patrol
we need a hero who pronounces vindicta like indict
spring tundra
What
vivid nimbus
oh ye deadlock community hub telling me no one is ingame sadge
Yeah it's just you, everyone else left for the day /j
rich grove
it's called burger boxing because both players involved are burgers and they're just spamming melee at each other
vast sandal
IT’S CHEWSDAY INNIT
frail jasper
I mean it's free forced movement
Yeah but I mean it doesn't really accomplish anything. It moves like 4ft to the side
vast sandal
Help me stuff that damn cube through the doorway already
I’m trying to get this recalcitrant block of slime under our walker
frail jasper
one day I want to ask the enemy laners to agree to only burgerbox during lane
green lane is punches only, no guns no abilities
finite grotto
can you boost yourself witrh viscous punches?
frail jasper
yes
finite grotto
ok maybe i gotta try out some sliming+
frail jasper
puddle punch tech is a deep well of movement tricks
vivid nimbus
green lane is punches only, no guns no abilities
Some heroes (Billy, Abrams) definitely come out ahead with this
frail jasper
lots of things you can do that will make your team say "viscous what the FUCK was that" as you fly across the entire map at mach chicken
frail jasper
The real one is walljumping off a puddle punch
my favorite niche one is the elevator punch during goo ball
if you roll at a wall and time your double jump with a puddle punch correctly, it just launches you straight up - so high that you end up on the rooftops
spring tundra
Anyway hi I’m in here now
vast sandal
If you see Viscous jumping onto a wall that’s got a puddle on it, just imagine the Ducktales moon theme
He’s gonna enter orbit
spring tundra
I’ve played like 12 hours of deadlock and it’s in the only MOBA that made me not want to instantly flay myself so I know nothing
vast sandal
Viscous is going back to his home planet
spring tundra
I had to have what a carry is explained to me
vast sandal
Okay so the first thing to know about Deadlock is that matches are primarily decided by socioeconomic factors
The socio part is “can your team come up with a plan and all execute it”
vivid nimbus
I had to have what a carry is explained to me
It's just like Numbers 11:14
vast sandal
The economic part is “did you harvest the rice better than your enemy”
rich grove
can't wait for Dota 2 Powerpoints guy but it's Deadlock Talmud guy
spring tundra
Mhm
vast sandal
If you lock in on the socioeconomics, dominating in fights will follow naturally
spring tundra
It's just like Numbers 11:14
Lmao
Good pull
I’m good on the socio, bad on the economics rn
vast sandal
Because you WILL win in a fight where your net worth is like 1.3x your opponent’s
vivid nimbus
Ye, I was introduced to it by a Venator meme a full weeks ago
vast sandal
Harvesting the rice is straightforward
rich grove
money good. tower good.
rich grove
kill thing what want kill tower. life good
spring tundra
I mean the specifics
rich grove
this is more macro understanding than most players will ever have
vast sandal
Catch the trooper wave every 45 seconds, and when the wave passes go do your chores
vast sandal
Your chores are
- clear jungle camps
- get sinner’s
- boxes
spring tundra
Mhm
vast sandal
In a loose ordering of most to least important
lavish shale
the building with the double Sinner's upstairs is an important one too
vast sandal
Sinner’s and jungle are roughly equal with the benefits kinda differing between if you’re a support or a carry or a midgame menace, boxes are inferior but you wanna sponge those too
lavish shale
The last bit
wait for the lights, start chargin your heavy on the third to last light
vast sandal
For sinner’s sacrifice hold Q starting when the 3rd to last light comes on
lavish shale
gets it almost every time
frail jasper
- heavy punch 4 times
- wait until there's only 3 lights unlit and start heavy punch again to get jackpot
lavish shale
also always heavy Sinner's when you can, you lose less health that way
spring tundra
lavish shale
cause the damage is per hit
vast sandal
Anyways basically do your chores, deny during waves, don’t let troopers steal objective health, and don’t worry too much about killing your lane opponents, just harvest the rice and poke when you can
finite grotto
light melee is my church
spring tundra
I don’t play any characters who really use melee so
lavish shale
it can be pretty useful in close quarter scuffles
spring tundra
Other than Yamato and I just kinda pretend that doesn’t exist
vivid nimbus
It does decent damage, doesn't cost ammo, and people don't parry it
vast sandal
If you win lane or if you are dominating and containing them under tower, go steal your enemy’s jungle
Commit some economic terrorism to sabotage their game longterm
autumn field
I feel like it’d be good to list hidden passives as a “secondary” skill like they do with silver’s secondaries
finite grotto
tbf yamato doesnt really use melee
other then the free one you get of your 2!
light melee heaven
finite grotto
ye when you reel in you get a free light melee you can do!
spring tundra
It does decent damage, doesn't cost ammo, and people don't parry it
Tbh as mentioned people barely parry heavy where I’m from
Why did I say that like seeker is the place I live
vast sandal
What else… midgame, you’re looking to either establish a stronger map presence than your enemy (via pushing lanes up, getting enemy faces down, or just forcing them to do chores because you made problems) and then use the gap to establish a more substantive advantage
vivid nimbus
IDK I'm in Seeker and people do parry
vast sandal
That means delivering urns, getting midboss, securing towers
vivid nimbus
Everyone's always like "people don't XYZ in my rank" and I'm seeing it in initiate/seeker so IDK what's up
vast sandal
Turn your temporary advantage from having more faces up or better map presence into a permanent lead by taking stuff from the enemy team, whether it’s the midboss, the urn, their farm, or their objectives
spring tundra
Or I’m good at the game already I have an image talent for timing heavy melee
vivid nimbus
Is it consistent? Nope, but people do it
spring tundra
I’m like a savant
vast sandal
People will parry you at any rank if you’re predictable and do heavy melee enough for them to put it on mental stack
The difference between skill levels is how ready they are or how quickly they adjust
spring tundra
Fair
I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone try to melee me
Other than Billy
Which…. It’s Billy so
Yknow
vast sandal
spring tundra
LMAO
I actual rebound melee and parry to my mouse keys
Like the little side buttons
Seemed like a prudent choice
Fuck yall im at work for like 5 more hours and now i wanna go put down turrts
autumn field
Lmao
spring tundra
This game brings out hate in me that makes me glad I didn’t play league
Every time I see an enemy mo and krill I feel a bubbling in my soul
vast sandal
Knowing some Mo and Krill players I’m led to understand that this is what they want from you
spring tundra
I don’t think anything has every elicited more rage from me than mo and krill ult followed by lightning scroll proc
Just like, yeah I’m done playing the game I guess
vast sandal
That’s kinda Deadlock for you, counter-itemization aside
Sometimes the enemy team will decide they want someone dead and hit them with a nasty combination of ults, disables, etc.
vivid nimbus
Lightning Scroll MnK is some sicko behavior
bleak thicket
Rem sleep
Into lightning scroll
Into cursed relic
I love long chain stuns
I got it from playing shadow shaman in dota
Love me a long stun
rich grove
yeah that is the moba experience
granite heath
Rem sleep
Into lightning scroll
Into cursed relic
I love long chain stuns
🫵 shadow shaman player
vast sandal
Like if you’re gonna play Silver, or a hypercarry, or one of the heroes that really draws ire and is a premium pick, you gotta accept that the enemy team wants you dead as fuck
rich grove
if the enemy team wants to make you have zero fun whatsoever they can and they will and it's often optimal
vast sandal
They’re gonna do what they can to keep you out of the game
bleak thicket
It's just correct play yeah
rich grove
one of the big lessons I had to learn was becoming this
magic summit
🫵 shadow shaman player
If you really want to remove an enemies ability to have fun the pick is Bane tbh
vast sandal
Same if you play Doorman or another team-disruption capable support tbh they’re gonna come for you
rich grove
mmm whatcha say
vast sandal
It bites
spring tundra
I also unfortunately play a lot of characters who people do this to lmao
vast sandal
But getting used to it and recognizing that they may have misplayed severely and that your sacrifice might win the fight is part of mentally adjusting
bleak thicket
Unstoppable time
vast sandal
If everyone hops on the distraction werewolf and Seven fries them for it and picks up 3 kills, your team wins
spring tundra
Yeah I gotta figure out items better
magic summit
There is a secret trick to Mo
Where if you demonstrate, just a single time, that you can counterspell their ult
spring tundra
I’m mostly just going off of premade builds and trying my best to figure it out but mostly like
magic summit
They never even look at you again
vast sandal
Oh also if it’s MnK specifically, they’re probably not worth focusing on unless their team is VERY coordinated around the Combo
spring tundra
Yeah I’ve heard they’re actually not very good at higher elo
However I am easily ragebaitable
The actual bastard I ran into the other night was a dynamo who really knew what they were doing
astral lava
dashing out of doorman cart is so annoying. Release me
rich grove
woods
vast sandal
It’s woods time for you
rich grove
yo...
somber creek
Silver was 5/0 off our lane by 7 minutes
rich grove
lose the lane win the game is one of the sickest feelings
somber creek
rich grove
typically i'm the victim of this but it's always sick to pull off the robbery
vast sandal
Very sick when you lose lane by a little bit and then come back midgame and go “oh miraaaaaage”
spring tundra
Archmommy or the hidden dad
vast sandal
“How you doing buddy”
somber creek
Very sick when you lose lane by a little bit and then come back midgame and go “...
Oh no we lost lane by so so so much
vast sandal
Archmommy or the hidden dad
Yeah, yeah I’m the hidden king
Yeah, yeah, do my fucking thing
vast sandal
Yeah, yeah, do my bidding
somber creek
See I wouldn't have thought that was misogynistic before the disclaimer
now it feels way more plausible
spring tundra
LMAO
vast sandal
spring tundra
IDK IT FEELS LIKE A THING A CHUD WOULD COMPLAIN ABOUT
I think it’s just because she’s really loud tho
vast sandal
She just doesn’t have the juice like the Hidden King does
spring tundra
Like the hidden king is pretty low and then on the other team YOU MUST STOP HAZE
solid glen
THE HIDDEN KING MUST DIE
autumn field
Rem sleep
Into lightning scroll
Into cursed relic
I love long chain stuns
Refresher:
bleak thicket
Usually later in the game but yes that too
vast sandal
You must DESTROY the Archmother and her disciples
autumn field
God refresher trans cooldown lightning scroll curse rem is so fucking funny
spring tundra
Refresher trans
autumn field
Esp cuz since you’re Rem, you get to build 4 actives
vast sandal
God refresher trans cooldown lightning scroll curse rem is so fucking funny
The Hidden King will not be stopped by a sleepy child
autumn field
Which makes trans cooldown really good
vast sandal
Come here you little rat
vast sandal
Feathered rat
autumn field
So you can do shit like rescue beam divine barrier curse silence wave
finite grotto
am i doing it right gang
autumn field
Super expensive but like
Good lord a good rem is equal to deleting the enemy team’s ability to do anything
finite patrol
the archmothers delivery goes hard as fuck
finite grotto
counterspell first item huehue
finite patrol
lol
rich grove
you are a sick fuck but i salute you
this is pure hater behaviour
now go echo shard stun
autumn field
Lightning scroll just for funnies, or trophy collector for the 16% bigger balls
Trophy isn’t THAT bad right?
mild flume
honestly playing seven in street brawl I found the stun crazy
and myself almost turning into a support at times just spamming it
finite grotto
we are kidna wrecking them hardcore as mo and seven
mild flume
I dunno if it quite works out that way as people are less bunched in regular games
but the ability is really really really strong
vast sandal
Trophy isn’t THAT bad right?
trophy is good but you lose the laning advantage powerbump
rich grove
gran do you remember when seven could self cast that shit
autumn field
wdym by that
rich grove
like he could stick the stun on himself
mild flume
hahaha that whips
rich grove
and then run at people
mild flume
I didn't know that was a thing
autumn field
Like the whole SoP turn into big bomb thing?
rich grove
that shit was responsible for so many mid boss robberies
mild flume
I'm kinda down on trophy these days
rich grove
instead of ulting mid he would just drop from the ceiling with two stuns stuck on his jiggly ass and wombo combo the team for 5 seconds while he stole the rejuv cause it was one punch
mild flume
it feels like even at max stacks its not that good
rich grove
trophy collector has always been shit
autumn field
God the doorman door cart midboss steal is amazing
finite patrol
trophy collector has always been shit
dont you dare
vast sandal
Trophy feels like it’s pretty solid on a few characters that are already hard committed to getting a lot of kill participation no?
mild flume
I guess just the reward at max doesn't feel that amazing
autumn field
I remember there was a build w/ lash that was like, “x ttv fucking sucks for taking out of their build”
finite grotto
you are a sick fuck but i salute you
it hard won us the lane 😌
mild flume
like I guess the value of trophy in regular items that do that stuff feels kinda better to me
autumn field
10 minutes at 16 trophies for 3200 souls iirc
finite patrol
it needs a lot of work to be a 3200 item with soul gen. u could just buy a 3200 instead
autumn field
7 minutes when it was at 30
mild flume
10 after you get 16 just feels like a looong time
autumn field
6.6 minutes
mild flume
its like 20 minutes at 8 souls which is a pretty decent benchmark for it and thats kinda forever
vivid nimbus
I hit a 4-man Seven stun in midboss pit once, it was so juicy
I then jumped in with storm cloud and yeah they burnt the rejuvs immediately
rich grove
potato, meet fryer
vivid nimbus
I think the play that clutched what was a then-losing game
rich grove
it was gnarly tech
vast sandal
I once carted three people into our spawn and stunned them in there
Thank u Vortex Web
vivid nimbus
Door from spawn to midboss feels like it should be illegal
vast sandal
Not from midboss lol
vast sandal
It’s fun
rich grove
vortex door cart eventually makes it a requirement to buy bkb
there's just no way around it unless you want to get clipped
rich grove
no specifically Unstoppable
rich grove
like you have to get Unstoppable
vast sandal
I get Vortex Web early on Doorman too
rich grove
not debuff reducer not spellbreaker not counterspell you just have to get unstop
vast sandal
I really want them clips
rich grove
it suuuuucks but it's what you have to do
vast sandal
You got two options
vivid nimbus
Counterspell I think would work if you have the reflexes for it
rich grove
it feels like complete shit on characters who don't wanna buy transgender cd
rich grove
it's down for so long and if you don't have it, you can't safely engage
because the cd for the combo is lower than the cd for the unstop and he will get your ass
rich grove
Counterspell I think would work if you have the reflexes for it
so the thing with Counterspell I find is ult
vast sandal
You should counter spell my ult yes
rich grove
you parry the initial combo and then you get ulted and then you're back int he FUCKING BUILDING again
finite grotto
it is so nice to deny with seven 😌
spring tundra
Thinking about….. horse girl
autumn field
Evil and intimidating Celeste is the funniest thing ever
spring tundra
I’m mostly just annoyed that it’s gonna become the main joke about her now lmao
But I’m also just gay and infatuated
autumn field
I’m mostly just annoyed that it’s gonna become the main joke about her now lmao
I think it’s hilarious given how lesbian-coded she is
astral lava
its coded until they actually say it unfortunately
spring tundra
She has voice lines only for women calling them cute and has nothing similar for men, flirts with silver, says she doesn’t understand why people like lash
autumn field
Yeah that makes sense
spring tundra
Noting the last one is said in a way that feels like “I don’t think he’s hot” more than “I think he sucks”
undone galleon
being lesbian coded & being a lesbian r not exclusive things
spring tundra
That’s so true
vast sandal
"Lash is an asshole" is fundamentally different than "what do people see in him"
autumn field
Ok wait yeah she does go all like that
finite grotto
good and clean game. We just rolled over the enemy
spring tundra
I think you have to be intentionally opposed to reading her as one
finite grotto
I am reallllly enjoying Seveb
spring tundra
To deny it lmao
vast sandal
my winrate on seven is fucking absurd lmao
spring tundra
I mean it’s not explicit in the sense that she doesn’t look at the screen and say “I fuck women” but
Yknow
vast sandal
I never play him and when I do I exclusively win via harvesting the rice all game and then coming thundering out of the jungle fed as fuck
autumn field
Outside of the fact that Vyper and Billy are 100% fucking
Like bruh they’re not even hiding it, it’s straight up, “let’s fuck in the alleyway and you’ll be queequeg to my Ishmael”
spring tundra
Also wouldn’t be super surprised if valve made her and silver a thing given how positive the reaction to that idea has been lmao
At least imo
vast sandal
Vyper and Billy are screwing but honestly, Billy, find some self-respect man
Vyper doesn't even like you dog
spring tundra
I could fix her
undone galleon
vyper/billy being incredibly onesided is rly funny
it does appear that vyper is heterosexual
somber creek
She's bi
autumn field
Vyper is bi I’m pretty sure yeah
somber creek
She definitely fucked a stripper named Cinnamon that looks like Paige
autumn field
Vyper and Billy are screwing but honestly, Billy, find some self-respect man
Billy is so fucking pathetic I love it
undone galleon
big news for ppl fine w/ getting called lash ig
vast sandal
well, she didn't outright say she screwed Cinnamon
just that she saw her at the club
spring tundra
She was at least in a strip club interacting with female strippers
undone galleon
i mean
vast sandal
yeah but this is Vyper
undone galleon
thats most of em
spring tundra
Which is weird behavior for a straight woman
somber creek
c'mon
vast sandal
she could've been robbing them
somber creek
c'mahn
vast sandal
that's like, equally plausible for her
somber creek
'cmahn
vast sandal
NAH I'M JUST SAYING
undone galleon
like the average strip club is staffed w/ women
vast sandal
I DON'T EXPECT NORMALCY FROM VYPER
undone galleon
lmao mistyped
spring tundra
Yeah
Okay that makes sense
Yes which is why straight women do not often frequent them I imagine :p
somber creek
imagine getting told that and finding out it was true
spring tundra
Anyway everyone is bi until I see otherwise
somber creek
like this whole time strip clubs were JUST for women
undone galleon
Yes which is why straight women do not often frequent them I imagine :p
being a criminal does mean being in sleazy dens a lot
such as strip clubs
vast sandal
there's like
vast sandal
very few Deadlock characters I don't see being at least maybe bi
spring tundra
To be clear my version of fixing her is just directing her towards like
Rich people
I still want her to murder people that’s the appeal
vast sandal
like Seven and Kelvin nah them mfs are gay
undone galleon
closest vyper gets to women is throupling tbh
undone galleon
also yea its kinda sick valve put hater yaoi
somber creek
I think the majority of them are probably straight
undone galleon
also yea its kinda sick valve put hater yaoi
in their moba
vast sandal
I have good news emily
spring tundra
Specially I gotta know more about seven
vast sandal
there are visual novels in the works
undone galleon
im rly curious why they went w/ visual novels
spring tundra
I think the majority of them are probably straight
I mean logistically yes
But that’s boring
vestal trench
i need meet the sinners shorts
vast sandal
Drifter... the less we know about his sexuality the better
autumn field
im rly curious why they went w/ visual novels
Honestly probably easier on the budget
undone galleon
drifter's gay
autumn field
Also because it has a vibe
somber creek
Drifter's bi
vast sandal
Drifter's trouble
autumn field
drifter's gay
Drifter’s sexuality feels like kill/murder’d
undone galleon
Drifter’s sexuality feels like kill/murder’d
u say this as a joke but this is just a normal kink
autumn field
The one dude who could identify as an attack helicopter and I’d believe it
autumn field
u say this as a joke but this is just a normal kink
I’ve see too many mechsploit girls into snuff I’m aware
undone galleon
god the hardcore scene in deadlock earth gotta go crazy
vestal trench
vindicta is an attack helicopter for real though
spring tundra
Okay but it’d be really funny if it was an Adam smasher situation
vast sandal
if you asked McGinnis how she identifies she'd say "employed" in a heartbeat
somber creek
I think that's more accurate that Drifter is incapable of experiencing pleasure from anything other than murder but he has enough sense that he can aesthetically appreciate the beauty of men and women
spring tundra
Where drifter is like
Nominally a sociopath
But also sometimes just goes on normal person dates
vestal trench
they all the same on the insideee 🩸
spring tundra
Maybe dresses like Elvis
undone galleon
see i do fully buy into the idea that drifter sees an eroticism in murder
spring tundra
see i do fully buy into the idea that drifter sees an eroticism in murder
Oh yeah no for sure
severe loom
I can't get over L. Ettrick, a.k.a. Seven
If they pull that out that's gonna be generational levels of aura loss
his wig snatched instantaneously
spring tundra
Do you guys think we’re gonna get more stuff about the troubador?
I don’t think we’ll ever get playable troubadour
But
severe loom
I think we're going to get more information but not- yeah
undone galleon
probly in the visual novel
spring tundra
Just cause like
undone galleon
we know hollidays getting one
severe loom
Holliday has a visual novel in the code, as do Geist and Ivy
spring tundra
So far they’ve done an intentional job not doing like
vestal trench
i hope the troubador is never playable
spring tundra
“It doesn’t make sense for these two characters to be working together at all”
They never overwatch it
severe loom
and Holliday does seem like one of the people they're setting up to have The Lore Threads
spring tundra
Nah cause no one has a personal vendetta with him
severe loom
hell, Seven and most people with morals
spring tundra
They’ll suck up their morals for the ritual
rich grove
lady geist and most people with morals
autumn field
Drifter is happy to kill and that’s all he wants
vestal trench
i hope the troubador is never playable
i just dont want this scary narrative haunting guy to just be a dude i can dome with my gun
spring tundra
But it would be a real stretch to say Holliday could suck it up and play w Troubadour lol
undone galleon
i do like how even despite seven & kelvin hating each other, theres still a way to diegetically justify being on the same team
autumn field
So most of the people don’t really mind because they’re not getting killed and they get their wishes
undone galleon
i do like how even despite seven & kelvin hating each other, theres still a way ...
this is the power of yaoi
rich grove
literally
spring tundra
Also
Love the Drifter/Holliday interaction
Where fucking DRIFTER seems scared
Of the troubadour
rich grove
he got evilmogged
undone galleon
lash & bebop also hate each other but this manifests as fighter rivalry
rich grove
yeah it's just wrestling shit
autumn field
Lash and Bebop aren’t like, completely opposed to each other too
spring tundra
I think it’s interesting that uhhh
vestal trench
one of my favorite interactions is the haze 7 one where they're like, i assume 24 hours would be too long to keep from killing each other?, yeah, 12 ? sure
undone galleon
he got evilmogged
drifter was mid-serialkillergooning when the troubador came and spiked his cortisol levels
rich grove
god.
autumn field
It feels a lot more like the kind of yaoi rivalry where if Lash dies bebop will be actually sad in the long term, and vice versa
spring tundra
Some peoples kill lines implying that they think they permanently killed a person is funny
rich grove
"oh shit my bad"
somber creek
killmogged by the troubadour
vestal trench
drifter was mid-serialkillergooning when the troubador came and spiked his corti...
bonelashing
spring tundra
I’m gonna hurt all of you
undone galleon
u think we could start shortening troubador to troid
undone galleon
wait i think ive invented a new slur
somber creek
is it a "new" slur if foid is a thing now
undone galleon
well its new in that i dont think anyones used the -oid on trans women yet
somber creek
just sounds like what someone would call a "trans femoid"
undone galleon
tfoid
rich grove
stop it
finite patrol
youre doing bad work in here
spring tundra
Do you the slurk will be real one day
undone galleon
they should make it a skin
severe loom
wrecker will be slork when they readd him
somber creek
btw
has anyone else noticed the bug of like
75% of Mo and Krill ults sliding around during the channel
autumn field
Doorman feels like the type to “accidentally” give bebop and lash the same room at the baroness
But he doesn’t because he cares too much about “customer service”
finite patrol
doorman hates everyone equally so that means he ships everyone equally as well
autumn field
how much of a fudanshi is doorman
50%
edgy fog
https://youtube.com/shorts/BrCZFgKwicM?si=k7eLYxk2fSypnolM
SPeaking of Vyper, terrible life choices and being thirsty
merry verge
I keep being tempted by Recharging Rush on Doorman but the fella just wants so many toys
autumn field
new build day
autumn field
yeah
raven spindle
Where fucking DRIFTER seems scared
tbh it could also be that drifter is saying this from the perspective of him knowing evil sadistic men like himself, and is just saying "what i'll do for fun is horrific. what he'll do for fun is worse."
not so much scared as he is trying to position himself as the voice of reason
edgy fog
One all the street brawls where I've lost horribly
I feel like I check my allies and there's someone, if not the majority, who have like no greens
vestal hearth
His spouse? Justice!!
merry verge
I just fought a No Greens McGinnis
vestal hearth
Unless he's meant to be a crooked cop.
No one talks about him, so I don't know any lore.
merry verge
He's not even a cop which is the fault of his outfit
vestal hearth
Oh...
merry verge
He's like a trained child soldier from birth to kill the patrons
Everyone describes him as terribly sad
vestal hearth
But... the hat...
raven spindle
his actual outfit is supposed to have a cape
vestal hearth
Oh...
merry verge
The Hat, The Jail, there's reason to copthink
vestal hearth
The name Warden.
raven spindle
and he's more of an alchemist/monster hunter than a cop
vestal hearth
Yeah.
earnest verge
yeah he's not finished
vestal hearth
So he's sad Geralt?
spring tundra
So geralt
vestal hearth
Sadder... Geralt.
raven spindle
yeah his design has not caught up w his lore lol
spring tundra
Oh like Yamato
raven spindle
yup!
vestal hearth
A lot of the concept art seems to give her a weird face.
So who knows.
Like specifically a hanya mask like face.
spring tundra
Yeag
raven spindle
i want that to happen
spring tundra
She’s supposed to be kinda Yokai-ish
raven spindle
i want her to look weird and unsettling tbh
spring tundra
Alien Weeb is still the funniest character idea of all time tho I kinda hope they reuse it for a new guy
Weeb for Aliens
To be clear
I don’t think she was an alien who WAS a Weeb
raven spindle
I want the weird teacher/librarian concept.
the concept they seem to be rolling with, according to leaks, is smth between a kimono and a zoot suit, which is fucking Rad
vestal hearth
Oh!
spring tundra
I wonder how finalized the lore is rn
spring tundra
I can’t say, I am spiders georg in this scenario
vestal hearth
Who?
raven spindle
i also like my women to be equal parts attractive and unsettling lol
vestal hearth
Do we have any fae yet?
finite patrol
Rem???
raven spindle
do unicorns count as fae creatures?
vestal hearth
Yeah.
raven spindle
if so celeste could be Kinda on that list
finite patrol
unicorns are just people from the bronx
vestal hearth
Or... hm...
spring tundra
The joke in this case being I generally find unsettling women hot and thus cannot be relied upon to answer if you can make someone unsettling AND hot
vestal hearth
Maybe a tall, fem, oni twink.
raven spindle
Big oni woman!
you. i like where you're going w this
raven spindle
i mean, an oni is often like, a big red ogre w horns
there's a lotta leeway in there
raven spindle
also in terms of fun mythical creatures to invoke in deadlock, a dullahan could be fun. not really sure how you'd make it work, but if someone won't make a creepy woman who carries her severed head under her arm, by God I will
raven spindle
not Easily
but like. ppl just get the headless zombie part of dullahans and not the like. gross severed head or the human spine whip
i think if you make a dullahan you'd have to somehow distinguish them from victor, and like. one way to do that is to just make them unnerving to look at
finite patrol
You probably can't give someone a horse.
u'd be surprise
autumn field
holy fuck celeste is FUN when you hit the "stam mast + infuser" combo
finite patrol
keep in mind it is mid-20th century new york so while there will be a little bit of other cultures it doesnt make sense to just put every demon in there
raven spindle
sure but new york would certainly be the best place for that kind of strange gathering to occur
being both a notable port city and the largest city in america
edgy fog
getting jumped on by a Shiv all game ;-;
Managed to play around him at the end by expecting his charges
Still pretty fun but damn if it wasn't quickly learning how to 1v1 the guy
vestal hearth
Is Apollo a spell blade?
finite patrol
every deadlock hero is a spellblade
edgy fog
you know what's funny?
Cursing Apollos
They run at you and start their virgil dance
and then you nail them with a curse and they drop to the floor like a soggy cat and stare around as if they've just noticed there's a priest with a gun
However if they do survive that they WILL ult out of annoyance/to escape
frail jasper
Cursing Apollos
Earlier I hit an Apollo with slowing hex -> knockdown -> Rem ult while he was fighting someone
Who would have thought that Drifter laning into Venator (catholic monster hunter) and Shiv (professional monster hunter) was a bad idea.
agile rune
Venator’s ult does slightly more damage to drifter and Mina
frail jasper
A whole 5 damage.
But no, they just dominated me in lane when I really shouldn't have gone up against them in the first place.
mild flume
yes
lavish shale
Ehh
mild flume
next question
earnest verge
billionaire
vestal hearth
Oh...
lavish shale
She's a callous socialite
earnest verge
upset that her spouse-to-be got assassinated because she thought having their last name would be cool and for no other reason at all
final osprey
Mina would shoot a lower class person in the face and feel no remorse
earnest verge
was made a vampire as a compensation gift
lavish shale
She cares about her social prestige and not much else
vestal hearth
I was asking cause I could see it being a Weiss situation. But I some how forgot about her marriage thing.
lavish shale
But I also don't read her as like actively malicious either most of the time
mild flume
I mean I think like absolutely 100% only cares about themselves in a very wealthy person is evil
mossy lance
lavish shale
She's a pampered rich kid with no reason to change
Which does suck yes
agile rune
A whole 5 damage.
Enough to be funny, yes
agile rune
But no, they just dominated me in lane when I really shouldn't have gone up agai...
Who was your lane partner?
vast sandal
okay how do you Abrams
agile rune
But I also don't read her as like actively malicious either most of the time
She’d have to give a shit about anyone else to be malicious
vast sandal
beyond the basics of I charge-a-the-guy, I hold Q at them
agile rune
okay how do you Abrams
Become green
vast sandal
👍 got it boss
agile rune
Don’t actually charge at the guy, you’re not tanky enough to control a fight like that
lavish shale
beyond the basics of I charge-a-the-guy, I hold Q at them
Thats mostly it tbh
vast sandal
I meant his 2
lavish shale
Also use your gun, he actually hits pretty hard
vast sandal
I know the gun hits really hard
but like
okay so his 1 is a lifesteal aura so once you're in the mix smacking people you have something to keep you alive, his 2 is "lmao get this dude", and his 3 is a passive that keeps you even more alive
and his ult is a mass stun
but like what do I actually do in fights
agile rune
I think it’s something like 2, heavy melee, shoot, heavy melee, 2? He has some sort of combo iirc
vast sandal
other than hope someone overextends so I can crush them under my fat ixian cheeks
lavish shale
If you use echo shard yeah
agile rune
but like what do I actually *do* in fights
Pick a valuable enemy and take them out of the action
Even if you don’t kill them you get value
lavish shale
But 2 into a wall into heavy is the basic thing yeah
vast sandal
and be a thick blue guy with unruly fat cheeks so I can take trades and then waddle off
agile rune
Depending on lane partner you might be required to hold down the fort more than normal
In which case, just focus on survival
vast sandal
damn 😭
lavish shale
Note until you have charge level 2 it doesn't combo into a heavy IIRC
vast sandal
maybe I don't want to be Abrams
lavish shale
So people can parry you until then
vast sandal
I guess I'm just confused as to why I'd want to pick Abrams over, say, Victor or another chunky hard-to-kill bastard
lavish shale
Charge is really good cc
agile rune
Abrams comes online earlier than victor
And functions pretty well basically all match
And is harder to counter buy imo
vast sandal
icic
agile rune
Also he has better vibes
Vibes are a driving factor in picking a character in a well balanced game
vast sandal
truth
earnest verge
abrams has two disables, Victor has none, other than his death reanimation, which isn't very good
agile rune
CC is important and generally does not really care about scaling
frail jasper
The dichotomy between me struggling all game as drifter vs me accidentally stockpiling 10k souls as rem during midgame amuses me in some strange way
I suppose I'm really good at being the rat, not so much aggressing into enemies.
magic summit
I guess I'm just confused as to why I'd want to pick Abrams over, say, Victor or...
Phantom strike into charge ruins most characters in the cast since there isn't much reacting to it or stopping it.
Aside from "dont let Abrams look at you"
The only other one with such an on demand stun is Mo but Abrams does that on a basic ability and does a lot more damage past that