#Deadlock
agile void
still swan
What about Victor
vivid nimbus
A frowny face with no eyes so you can't even examine his eyelash game
vast sandal
oh also Holliday's straight, we know she's into a NYC police guy
jaunty garden
Victor is SO gay
gray otter
this is true but also shes a vampire
still swan
Keep Slorking
jaunty garden
Oh my god
rich grove
Holliday had a super messy trashfire relationship history
somber creek
See the thing is that it's actually Mina saying "It's cool that you're non-binary but now you're poor so I don't give a fuck and also hope you die"
jaunty garden
I feel like Victor is almost more gay than people currently having gay sex.
vivid nimbus
oh also Holliday's straight, we know she's into a NYC police guy
Has also had multiple marraiges
rich grove
See the thing is that it's actually Mina saying "It's cool that you're non-binar...
I think Pocket having morals would be the most off-putting thing to her
finite patrol
Run for your pitiful lives!
vast sandal
holy shit Holliday's been married?
somber creek
They're POOR with MORALS
rich grove
she's a multiple-time divorcee
somber creek
Yeah Holiday's been divorced at least twice
rich grove
it's so fucking funny
somber creek
Divorce is inherently funny
mint latch
Damn girl, wtf is your tastes
vivid nimbus
Holliday on her barrel: "This stuff's more unstable than my first marriage!"
rich grove
she's more or less Rust Cohle but she looks like sabrina carpenter
astral lava
can she please be gay again like neon prime
magic summit
Holiday is the true trainwreck
rich grove
it's so fucking funny
astral lava
even if ahe is a cop
rich grove
she's probably alongside vyper in the "beggars can't be choosers" camp
magic summit
Actual disaster life
vivid nimbus
Lady Geist is/was also married, the gun was a gift from her late(?) husband
somber creek
Lady Geist is definitely straight
rich grove
there's the implication that Abrams is tsundere for her and that it's mutual in the VN
vast sandal
Lady Geist eats her husbands like a black widow
mint latch
The VN?
rich grove
it's actually really funny that she specifically did not kill her husband
magic summit
Geist probably just outlived her husband tbh
rich grove
it's the most incredible twist
astral lava
Geist is too old to still be straight. She can dally
mint latch
That's a sentence
rich grove
yeah there's a hidden Lady Geist VN people have datamined
vivid nimbus
I can see bisexual Geist but she's prolly too low-key with it to act on it
mint latch
Oh lmao
astral lava
She's quite pleased at Graves doing a paper on her husband as well
rich grove
that was also the source of the uhh
vast sandal
Geist is in the "employed so I don't have time for that" zone
autumn field
Where is Graves implied to like Yamato
vast sandal
except she's, you know, too rich to be employed
rich grove
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwTmyl18WRM it's also the source of the "you moved in with lady geist" thing
where it's one of the routes you can take in the VN
warm sonnet
Geist loved Johan way too much to consider anyone else (for marriage)
vivid nimbus
Okay yeah, even outside the VN stuff we know a little bit about the late Johann Geist
vast sandal
Where is Graves implied to like Yamato
mint latch
Early Access woes
warm sonnet
Graves is such a rebellious teenager it's not even funny
rich grove
in fairness every teenager gets oneshotted by an awesome samurai lady
warm sonnet
Who can, with a forehead like that đĽľ
jaunty garden
I wish i could have gotten oneshotted by an awesome samurai lady as a teen
rich grove
sometimes you walk by an arcade cabinet and you hear Baiken's VA and it's just over for you
somber creek
I do think reading this as attraction is a bit of a stretch
vast sandal
it's a bit of a stretch that's why I didn't say it's for sure 100%
somber creek
Considering Graves just has a habit of thinking that evil women are cool and is clearly trying to become an Evil Woman
vivid nimbus
I do think reading this as attraction is a bit of a stretch
I would need to hear the delivery
autumn field
Oh my god thatâs not even implied thatâs just fucking tsundere shit lmao (brainrot)
vast sandal
I said it's lightly implied
rich grove
yeah I think it's just Fangirling but I mean if that's the read then it's Funny and so acceptable to me personally
jaunty garden
I love the difference here between "Ehhh it's a stretch maybe" "I'll need to hear the delivery" and "That's not even implied!"
XD
vivid nimbus
Oh and Geist's son is also named Johann (Jr?)
somber creek
cuz I have been since she was released
agile void
I do think reading this as attraction is a bit of a stretch
I feel that about a lot of interactions
rich grove
Does anyone else read her hair tufts as elf ears btw
why would you do this to me
agile void
I do think stuff like celeste being lesbian is basically confirmed
somber creek
suffer as I have
gray otter
oh my god
somber creek
wait what do you mean uma graves
gray otter
lmfao
mint latch
Top ones look like mouse ears
astral lava
it is very elf
mint latch
But yea, side ones looks elf
autumn field
wait what do you mean uma graves
jaunty garden
As someone who tends to lean pretty aro/demi, it's hard for me to read attraction signs in general, so I hear things people are like "WOW THEY'RE SO INTO EACH OTHER" and just go "Wait really?" all the time.
rich grove
i just associate inappropriate ear placement as a result of unfortunate hair with uma now for whatever reason
astral lava
next hero batch valve should shake the world with a hot it/its dyke (this will never happen)
gray otter
haunted mannequin...
vast sandal
okay wait I've kind of been contemplating this as a concept tho slender
somber creek
My thing is that I'm so used to people extrapolating attraction from the barest interactions for so long that I really try to make sure the dialogue is at least trying to be implicit with it
gray otter
okay wait I've kind of been contemplating this as a concept tho slender
elaborate đď¸
vast sandal
haunted mannequin decked out in sentient magic items
rich grove
yeah I am so fucking used to what I will gently call Critical Fandom Cope Overdose
vast sandal
they work together as a community
mint latch
I am not delusional enough to take a single interactions that includes a compliment as grounds for thinking my ship is canon
merry verge
This is late but Silver calls Holliday honey in a voiceline so-
somber creek
yeah I am so fucking used to what I will gently call Critical Fandom Cope Overdo...
Deadlock has the same problem of "I'm sorry but the gay fanart is not actually canon" that Overwatch does.
agile void
My thing is that I'm so used to people extrapolating attraction from the barest ...
for example the apollo/graves is something that I can understand
vast sandal
the gun has a name, each of the abilities is a stock magic item like Seven League Boots or Cloak of Protection, they're all workin' together
somber creek
Apollo Graves have an interaction where Apollo genuinely acts schoolboy tsun and I can go "Yeah sure that makes sense"
gray otter
Deadlock has the same problem of "I'm sorry but the gay fanart is not actually c...
i died a little inside when i found out that mina/paige was literally 100% fanon 
somber creek
Celeste is clearly gay and I can go "yeah this makes sense"
rich grove
maybe this is just the result of me dating a midwesterner but Silver calling Holliday 'honey' to me reads more "I fucking hate you" than any amount of kindness
somber creek
Doorman Drifter Yaoi is invented from pure ephemera
agile void
Apollo Graves have an interaction where Apollo genuinely acts schoolboy tsun and...
not just that tbf
merry verge
It kills me that this makes Graves like, the only person that seems to like Yamato
She's so fucking mean to everyone
rich grove
well it's just that Doorman is about as uke as uke gets
he was designed in a lab to be paddlebait
agile void
vast sandal
maybe this is just the result of me dating a midwesterner but Silver calling Hol...
Silver calling Holliday "honey" is clearly a putdown
rich grove
yeah it's that particular american genre of Nice But Not Kind
vivid nimbus
It kills me that this makes Graves like, the only person that seems to like Yama...
Yamato is like a crime lord and also sorta new in town because she's taking over her brother's business
rich grove
"bless her heart" ass delivery
somber creek
maybe this is just the result of me dating a midwesterner but Silver calling Hol...
Similarly my read on the Celeste/Silver interaction is that Celeste is inviting Silver on a Date thinking she's in on it and Silver is just like "oh fuck yeah, alchohol"
merry verge
Silver calling Holliday "honey" is clearly a putdown
the age old tradition of Annoy Them To Flirt
vivid nimbus
So her being unliked is expected, especially combined with being foreign
rich grove
also she's an ass
astral lava
Similarly my read on the Celeste/Silver interaction is that Celeste is inviting ...
that doesnt make it any less shippy!
agile void
Similarly my read on the Celeste/Silver interaction is that Celeste is inviting ...
yeah, but on the other hand she says that he doesnt get the appeal of shiv
vivid nimbus
And also yeah she's an asshole to everyone she meets
rich grove
she is just straight up a dick in a lot of interactions
astral lava
yeah, but on the other hand she says that he doesnt get the appeal of shiv
this is the biggest flag for me
somber creek
yeah, but on the other hand she says that he doesnt get the appeal of shiv
On the other hand she asks Venator out for drinks
rich grove
which is extremely good and funny but it does make sense that nobody likes her
merry verge
Geist is rude in that Rich Old Wasp Woman manner, Yamato just hates people
magic summit
Yamato cares not for these new yorkers
somber creek
Which if you take the Celeste interaction as shippy then you gotta take Venator's as shippy
agile void
On the other hand she asks Venator out for drinks
and on the other she has these kinds of interactions
somber creek
is this Celeste or Silver?
magic summit
Celeste
agile void
celeste
somber creek
Yeah I am not arguing Celeste
rich grove
yeh
somber creek
I said she's definitely 100% a lesbian
agile void
alongside geist, there is at least one reading like that for paige, mina, and also surprisingly, wraith
vast sandal
Celeste is as straight as a banana
somber creek
I'm saying Silver's PoV is that she will take any invitation to go drinking because she is a raging alcoholic
And it's not really an attraction thing who she invites
vast sandal
Silver would take up anyone except the serial killers on a drink
rich grove
Mina just comes off as a huge mean girl so all the "wow she was soooo cute" stuff reads purely as the Clueless-esque genre of catty brat
vast sandal
because it's a drink
rich grove
Silver is just Werewolf Kikuri
somber creek
Silver can't beat Vyper because she is the person who's job is to arrest Vyper
merry verge
Vyper being bola'd so many times she started carrying them, is this a form of yuri
somber creek
Vyper is so much of a mess that she has a dedicated mess who pays rent almost 50% just arresting her specifically
vivid nimbus
Also really looking forward to hearing Lash's delivery when this line is added
somber creek
I love how Vyper's only genuine skill seems to be breaking out of prison
lavish grove
she didnt even break out this time
vivid nimbus
She's pretty good at the murder part too!
vast sandal
I love how Vyper's only genuine skill seems to be breaking out of prison
and shanking people
somber creek
and shanking people
She admits she's terrible at it
vast sandal
okay but she did shank some people
rich grove
Also really looking forward to hearing Lash's delivery when this line is added
you remember the "thank you very moist" post from that guy on the Duolingo subreddit
that's what I'm imagining
agile void
didnt she implied that she killed her parolle officer?
still swan
She did more than imply
somber creek
She joked
rich grove
either that or he's hitting her with the sumi masorry
ivory reef
The only reason I ship mina and pocket together is because they'd make amazing enemies to arranged marriage lovers to still enemies to actual lovers
I'm sure @boreal torrent could pull it off
somber creek
Her Parole Officer is alive considering she needs Paige to lie to them for her
ivory reef
They're also both competent killers
agile void
The only reason I ship mina and pocket together is because they'd make amazing e...
the hate sex
vast sandal
no you're right for it, it's a very dramatic relationship
ivory reef
SO much hate sex
rich grove
I do love me some nasty fucked up codependency
lavish grove
Her Parole Officer is alive considering she needs Paige to lie to them for her
She does mention she mightâve been off on the dosage but heâs probably fine
ivory reef
The bats and the frogs
vast sandal
it's morally correct to choose a ship because it's interesting rather than because it's canon
ivory reef
New birds and bees unlocked
agile void
actually Im pretty sure someone has started doing a fanfic AU where pocket was not shot
somber creek
New birds and bees unlocked
when your sex ed teacher is a witch
bleak thicket
Ok but would Mina still get to be a vampire
somber creek
she can't not be one anymore I think
vast sandal
much to consider
lavish grove
I mean presumably thatâs not going away
astral lava
if you only wait for canon ships you won't get a damn thing this is valve
somber creek
No turning that off
lavish grove
I donât think thereâs a cure for vampirism in this world
bleak thicket
No I mean in the au where pocket didn't get shot
astral lava
this is a Live Service Game
vast sandal
no in the AU if pocket doesn't get shot then none of the fallout happens right
including Mina getting turned
somber creek
if you only wait for canon ships you won't get a damn thing this is valve
There's already like a dozen in a game with only 30 characters
bleak thicket
Like
I bet she'd still want more⢠even then
vivid nimbus
Mina could become a vampire for other reasons but not for the reasons she did in the main timeline
lavish grove
no in the AU if pocket doesn't get shot then none of the fallout happens right
Yah if pocket doesnât get shot Mina stays a normal human and they get married
bleak thicket
And still end up a vampire
rich grove
there's no chance there is any love whatsoever in the marriage
vast sandal
well hmm, mina does seem the type to go "you know what would be even better than being fabulously wealthy and powerful"
lavish grove
Not at alllll
vast sandal
"all that and eternal youth"
rich grove
Pocket probably turns over control of the business to Mina because they're still morally conflicted about being the scion of Raytheon
Mina on the other hand is probably actively delighted by this fact
astral lava
there Could be some, eventually, but unlikely
vivid nimbus
"all that and eternal youth"
Now imagining Mina decides to instead try and stab Lady Geist for Oathkeeper
vast sandal
alright here's your fucking prompt: Pocket tries to run away after turning the company over to Mina, but Mina still needs them around because it's not technically hers and Pocket has to stamp and sign papers for it to be official
vivid nimbus
Is going for Oathkeeper a terrible idea? Absolutely. Is Mina a stranger to bad ideas? Not at all
vast sandal
so now Mina has to track down and kidnap Arin back home
you're motherfuckin' welcome.
agile void
rich grove
yeah Pocket is definitely Mina's trophy spouse despite all the papers claiming otherwise
astral lava
"I can't sell these without you, your name is on them." "Your name is Fairfax too! It says 'A Fairfax Product'!" "Yeah, A Fairfax. That's you."
somber creek
Lemme see if I can surmise canon ships so far
rich grove
https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1rdsdzh/a_tweet_that_has_me_th...
don't worry, it'll release with ten characters and then they'll cut half the team from it two months afterwards
vivid nimbus
https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1rdsdzh/a_tweet_that_has_me_th...
Riot already has a competitive hero shooter :p
rich grove
đ
woeful kiln
Riot already has a competitive hero shooter :p
Which one?
vast sandal
don't worry, it'll release with ten characters and then they'll cut half the tea...
RIOT YOU BASTARDS YOU KILLED MY ROBOT FIGHTER FOR WHAT
vivid nimbus
Valorant
astral lava
valorant
vast sandal
TO BLOW YOUR OWN FEET OFF?
vast sandal
I WILL BECOME BACK MY MONEY RITO
astral lava
Played that once when it launched. you mean you people made counterstrike but it lasts EVEN LONGER?
woeful kiln
RIOT YOU BASTARDS YOU KILLED MY ROBOT FIGHTER FOR WHAT
Titanfall?
vast sandal
no, Rising Thunder
lavish grove
God chat, anyone have that art of pocket and Mina on their wedding day where Mina looks super happy and is daydreaming while pocket looks like theyâre contemplating suicide?
vast sandal
they bought it out and then gutted it for pieces to make 2XKO
astral lava
titanfall is forever doomed by respawn being trapped in apex forever
vivid nimbus
Mind you, Riot trying to shift Valorant from Counterstrikey to LoL-y would be a hilarious self-own
rich grove
pocket always looks like they're gonna blow their shit smoove off
bleak thicket
https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1rdsdzh/a_tweet_that_has_me_th...
I can't wait to play the riot deadlock clone for the whole 4 days before they lay off half the studio that spent 5 years making it
lavish grove
pocket always looks like they're gonna blow their shit smoove off
Thatâs what the volley gun is for
ivory reef
God chat, anyone have that art of pocket and Mina on their wedding day where Min...
Hot take this is just every bridezilla in straight culture
vivid nimbus
Hot take this is just every bridezilla in straight culture
No no only half the bridezillas
ivory reef
Like the funny thing is, Mina isn't evil so much as just such a little fucking bitch. Emphasis on little. She was 18?
lavish grove
I found it, from @ rosewaterjelly
vivid nimbus
The other half of the bridezillas are crashing out about how everything isn't flawless and perfect
finite patrol
The bats and the frogs
unintentional dominions reference
astral lava
while I would enjoy hitting buttons in titanfall 3 I can only assume this hypothetical game would still have incredibly bad writing. its crazy that titanfall 2 is about the Brave Oppressed Colonists
ivory reef
She's got a lot more personality left to create
vast sandal
she's got some evil in her, she's Very Cool with the whole Raytheon fortune thing
rich grove
no Mina is definitely evil
finite patrol
evil woman and dont make me do this enby
lavish grove
a little bit evil.
Her only regret with pocket dying was that they died to early for her to inherent their wealth after all
rich grove
Mina is evil in the way that all the kids in Succession are evil
astral lava
she can just start a charity or 2 itll balance out
ivory reef
Lmao accurate
rich grove
she's like explicitly composed of mostly ambition and ego
and I mean, very girlboss
very demure
ivory reef
I just think the gap between her and discovering a person she actually likes and trying something different is very small
astral lava
she's like explicitly composed of mostly ambition and ego
and bats
lavish grove
Also like, she blames Pocket for ruining her life when her family was already rich
Just not Fairfax rich
merry verge
she's like explicitly composed of mostly ambition and ego
this makes her 'COME ON COME ON COME ON' low-health teleport line hit
vast sandal
Oh yeah Mina could absolutely change
lavish grove
Itâs the difference between being millionaires and being billionaires
vivid nimbus
Hey, imagine Mina successfully marries Pocket and then tries to hook up with McGinnis, have some bonus boss/employee toxic yuri
rich grove
oh jesus fucking christ
HR department would voluntarily try to body jump into the Dispatch universe
fuck that
vast sandal
McGinnis would blow her off though sheâs solidly in the âIâm thirty and youâre a babyâ zone
She mocks some of the other baby heroes
rich grove
mcginnis is too butch for mina to handle.
astral lava
Mina is 23 she can maybe get fixed
rich grove
she would be scared.
lavish grove
Yah McGinnis is way to much of a professional to ever stoop to Mina tbh
Also, I think she would hate her
And not in a sexy way
Just dislike her
vivid nimbus
I did say "tries to"
vast sandal
Mina is 23 and doesnât know what she really wants except control and power over her life and she gets it through the means being a young rich girl affords her
somber creek
Directly Stated Attraction one way or another:
Lash and most women
Lash and Vyper
Dynamo and Marla
Shiv and Lady Geist
Holiday and Infernus
Lady Geist and Abrams
Viktor and Mina
Viktor and Paige
Vyper and Billy
Ivy and Viktor
Vyper and Mirage
Billy and Paige
Implied (but not directly stated) attraction one way or another:
Celeste and every woman
Seven and Kelvin
Apollo and Graves
Drifter and Mirage
Billy and Mirage
Billy and Lash
rich grove
there's a world in which she's redeemed but I suspect it's probably not this one
somber creek
there
I think I missed a bunch of shiv relationships
but that's off the top of my head
vast sandal
McGinnis is 30, loves working for Raytheon, and nothing about her job bothers her. Sheâs like 80 times eviller than Mina
finite patrol
Billy and Mirage?!?!
rich grove
she is basically Mr. Krabs if he made drones
somber creek
Billy calls Mirage "handsome" and calls Lash "chisled like a sexy god"
vast sandal
âWe blew up a hospital full of Ixian orphans with the weapons I designed? Neat, whats my paycheck look like for that?â
rich grove
Billy, again, has the same sexuality as Dennis from Sunny
somber creek
Billy is probably just bisexual I think
lavish grove
McGinnis is 30, loves working for Raytheon, and nothing about her job bothers he...
McGinnis is the head of magic Lockheed and Martinâs bomb making department and Iâm shocked only Ivy takes issue with it tbh
vast sandal
No, Doorman goes âlady you are stone cold evilâ
lavish grove
Oh yah him too
rich grove
in fairness Doorman just hates everyone
rich grove
it's not really an especially big deal if Doorman is razzing you
vivid nimbus
âWe blew up a hospital full of Ixian orphans with the weapons I designed? Neat, ...
I think she'd be like "Listen, I don't like it but I just make the bombs, where they land is somebody else's department"
merry verge
So good that he doesn't have dirt on Ivy, perfect gremlin
somber creek
If I dare say he's bad because of the
vast sandal
Nah Doorman thinks Calico and Wraith are great
lavish grove
Also like maybe itâs just who she interacts with but it is crazy no one else seems to give a shit that McGinnisâs job is making soul powered bombs for the most evil corporation of all time lol
somber creek
implication
agile void
I think I missed a bunch of shiv relationships
I dont know how to read the "I CAN FIX HIM" mcginnis says to shiv
rich grove
I think she'd be like "Listen, I don't like it but I just make the bombs, where ...
when ze rockets come up, who cares vere zey come down
vivid nimbus
(You may play the Lehrer song)
somber creek
I need to also mention about McGinnis
astral lava
Directly Stated Attraction one way or another:
Lash and most women
Lash and Vyp...
mirage and several women
vast sandal
Doorman loves anyone who treats service workers and servants right and tbh heâs cool for that
somber creek
is that every bomb she makes is also made from souls
lavish grove
Yah
somber creek
so every person killed is actually 2 people
rich grove
when mcginnis goes out for revenge she has to dig two graves
vivid nimbus
Well, cockroaches in the sewers drop exactly 1 soul
lavish grove
Well, cockroaches in the sewers drop exactly 1 soul
Oh shit they do
vast sandal
Itâs not really clear what souls are per se in the context of Deadlock
boreal torrent
I'm sure <@135871642629832704> could pull it off
I could pull off any ship
astral lava
they're orbs
jaunty garden
I think it's really unclear that souls are in any meaningful way people
merry verge
They can be shot, which means, something.
rich grove
souls might just be like a magical unit of energy
jaunty garden
Rather than just energy particles generated by death
agile void
They can be shot, which means, something.
you can shoot vindicta
astral lava
people used to VALUE my souls
agile void
who is a ghost
somber creek
We do know people have souls so like
rich grove
like just a weird magic quantum thingummy
vivid nimbus
Also every hero gathers souls and uses them for transacting with the Curiosity shop
somber creek
idk, I think souls are probably still souls and are still made from living people and animals
jaunty garden
Yeah but so are corpses
merry verge
Curiousity Shop being owned by like a regular bodega guy but still using souls
somber creek
Also every hero gathers souls and uses them for transacting with the Curiosity s...
Yeah but I mean McGinnis' "outside the ritual" job was making Soul Machine Guns that Shoot Souls
vivid nimbus
But yes it's clear souls are pretty clearly not vegan
agile void
could be just spirit energy residing in everything akin to mana
rich grove
curiosity shop also canonically sells fairfax stuff in the Weapon section
astral lava
The Urn is sentient and says its job is to keep New York clean by capturing rogue spirits, which should then be released in another location. ```Iâm gonna go out on a limb and suggest that probably souls in Deadlock are not, like, the Christian conception of the immortal soul that oneâs personality persists through
merry verge
Fairfax seems big enough that it's hard to not sell their stuff
astral lava
I really like Trapper as a character plus bring him back
somber creek
I think there is a line that says she's basically responsible for Millions of deaths
merry verge
Are they only weapons?
rich grove
pretty sure
merry verge
I figured it was General Conglomerate We Make Everything type
vast sandal
But yeah McGinnis is War Crimes McG the merchant of death
jaunty garden
It's unclear to me that making bombs from souls is less ethical than making bombs from gunpowder basically
vivid nimbus
The orange item catalog in the shop has Fairfax Industries across the top
rich grove
their slogan is explicitly "All's Fair", with the implied "in Love and War"
rich grove
and given the descriptions of what they do I kind of suspect they don't make condoms as a side thing
astral lava
resto shot is an item of peace and healing
somber creek
Fairfax's main job, going by the game, is selling crates
rich grove
true đ
vast sandal
resto shot is an item of peace and healing
Not when I use it
somber creek
selling crates I guess to the patrons????
astral lava
stop missing
vast sandal
Iâm buying that item so I can KILL you
astral lava
crates full of loose souls
lavish grove
Also damn I checked, Iâm shocked Mina only has 3 characters she interacts with
vivid nimbus
Wait, Fairfax apparently also operates its own mercenary company??
rich grove
yeah the VA is probably not super high priority rn
somber creek
At 15 she designed a machine that refined the souls of the dead...that last one got a little more attention than the Lincoln Logs
lavish grove
Doorman Vindicta Victor
somber creek
So Souls are DEFINITELY from people
lavish grove
Wait, Fairfax apparently also operates its own mercenary company??
Yah theyâve got professional soldiers working for them
rich grove
I'm Lowkey Doing Amnesia A Machine For Pigs
jaunty garden
Yeah we know they're from people but that doesn't mean they are people
astral lava
its good to have Enough voice acting but I imagine the big VA pass will be closer to Public Beta
lavish grove
Heâs also not canon as of now, but thereâs also the old hero labâs character wrecker
astral lava
new hero who's just a very small soul floating
lavish grove
Whoâs a Fairfaxâs engineered bio weapon
jaunty garden
Carbon dioxide is from people too
rich grove
given the abundance of shades who are just still/floating images
somber creek
Yeah we know they're from people but that doesn't mean they are people
If you make a machine gun powered by blood I still feel like that's still going to be called Evil As Fuck
astral lava
Carbon dioxide is from people too
life begins at respiration
agile void
Wait, Fairfax apparently also operates its own mercenary company??
they are a military focused company
rich grove
it's probably not likely that the average- ULTRAKILL MENTIONED- soul is particularly sentient
lavish grove
Thatâs described as a living monster who killed hundreds during the first annexation of Ixia
agile void
it will be weird if they dont have their own mercenaries
rich grove
yeah, like the Pepsi nuclear fleet
merry verge
They hired two, Builder's League United and-
somber creek
Regardless of the sentience of souls what it still requires is the mass industrial harvesting of a resource from sentient human beings
so the point is largely moot
lavish grove
This thing is responsible for the deaths of hundreds
jaunty garden
I mean. It probably doesn't though. People die naturally constantly.
astral lava
walter fairfax dreams of the greater interdimensional prosperity sphere
rich grove
it doesn't have to be people if cockroaches canonically give a soul
somber creek
Yes and harvesting them for parts is bad
astral lava
I mean. It probably doesn't though. People die naturally constantly.
no they don't.
agile void
it could also be akin to ixia
rich grove
not that mass industrial farming for slaughter is that much better or anything
somber creek
Also like we do KNOW ghosts are real and exist and are sentient people
agile void
USA found ixia and they annexed it for oil or for souls
somber creek
So even if a soul is an animal that's still pretty unethical to load into a gun
jaunty garden
Yes and harvesting them for parts is bad
Why? Like if someone gave me family a thousand dollars for my corpse after I die because it'll be useful for making electricity I'd say go for it.
astral lava
Why? Like if someone gave me family a thousand dollars for my corpse after I di...
there is a whole difference between consenting to it and it just happening
somber creek
Why? Like if someone gave me family a thousand dollars for my corpse after I di...
If the US military today said "We are creating a machine that runs on blood" I think most people alive would not be cool with it.
finite patrol
I mean. It probably doesn't though. People die naturally constantly.
I blame every death on my effigy of hatred which I store under my bed as a lightning rod in case any force of good ever tries to smite me down
vivid nimbus
If you're dead, do you get a vote in the matter?
astral lava
also of course "if we kill people with souls we get MORE souls"
lavish grove
Fairfax is doing magical blackwater shit alongside magical lockhead martin shit
jaunty garden
Yeah to be clear Fairfax is very evil
I just don't think it's clear that the soul industry is what does it
rich grove
"soldier of fortune" is definitely a phrase lmao holy shit
lavish grove
Yeah to be clear Fairfax is very evil
Oh sorry I just took a while to grab that
That was in response to the talk about Fairfaxâs PMC
astral lava
"soldier of fortune" is definitely a phrase lmao holy shit
valve stuns audience by adding new Rhodesian hero
rich grove
Wrecker joining the discord to post about his grandfather in Rhodesia
lavish grove
Also holy shit wrecker is referred to as âThe Butcher of Ixiaâ due to his actions in north ixia
twilit roost
Wrecker joining the discord to post about his grandfather in Rhodesia
Well that's one way to get a deadlock character with booty shorts into the game
astral lava
very complicated feelings of discovering a sci fi book i enjoyed as a kid's author lived in rhodesia (doing botany but still)
lavish grove
never mind he might actually BE the rhodesia grandpa
It is the 20th centuryâŚ
rich grove
very complicated feelings of discovering a sci fi book i enjoyed as a kid's auth...
hey, it could always be Piers Anthony, or Orson Scott Card, or Larry Niven, or
astral lava
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC3j-9K0pHU official theme of wrecker
astral lava
hey, it could always be Piers Anthony, or Orson Scott Card, or Larry Niven, or
i regret every piers Anthony book I've read.
rich grove
astral lava
me reading On A Pale Horse: hmm delightful
me reading every book other than that: Uh oh. Uh oh. Uh oh. Uh oh. Can he say that? Uh oh.
lavish grove
what the FUCK does this mean?
agile void
i imagine this is how people felt with jk rowling
astral lava
what the FUCK does this mean?
transcribe for mobile gamers
lavish grove
[Unintelligible] South Pacific [Unintelligible]
agile void
I imagine those words are in the bible
astral lava
a friend of mine had hippy dippy fantasy parents but instead of getting named after a lord of the rings character she got named after a xanth character
fortunately nobody knows what the fuck xanth is
rich grove
đ
astral lava
book that functionally only exists on tvtropes
rich grove
the horror stories about the tvtropes community coincidentally resembling the ones told about piers anthony
lavish grove
Is that the one based in Not-Florida?
lavish grove
All I know about that book is that itâs deeply misogynistic
jaunty garden
I apparently know one of the original founders of tvtropes
finite patrol
I think Marlowe should be Dale Cooper
merry verge
Haze references a Marlowe from the OSIC
agile void
I wonder what slur would wrecker call the ixians
rich grove
yknow what if we do get a new OSIC agent I would fw a dale cooper copotype
that would be pretty sick
agile void
or is a fae columbo
somber creek
Marlowe should be DB Cooper
rich grove
...
somber creek
Also yeah Haze knows a Marlowe who works for the OSIC and they're apparently an old friend of Venator
rich grove
so the OSIC has a sandman division which is a bunch of spooky dream agents like haze
merry verge
Like
rich grove
I was going to say 'why don't we have a cryptid character yet' and that combined with the OSIC talk immediately made my brain go
merry verge
What-.. what is haze
rich grove
"what about the Mothman division"
which is maybe the single stupidest thought I've ever had
finite grotto
Nah
lavish grove
What-.. what *is* haze
Presumably a heavily magically enhance normal human
finite grotto
You cooking
lavish grove
I think
Like I donât think haze is a ghost or a spirit
Just a normal human transformed into a sandman
rich grove
yeah
I think she got put in the Captain America machine that makes you a fucking smoke monster instead
merry verge
If it gets too windy does she have Head Problems
lavish grove
Probably
rich grove
the weird latex boots and gloves I think are actually like
some kind of vacuum seal to keep her coherent
merry verge
all amorphous and Nocturne-y under there
lavish grove
I mean she can still drink at least
finite patrol
she hotbox too long
lavish grove
Man, with how the OSIC is the magical CIA but even more obtuse
You think sandmen have been sent after Castro yet?
finite patrol
you are the spliff you puff
lavish grove
And failed?
rich grove
yeah the sandmen got sent to castro's dreams to make him gay
frail jasper
disconcerting
absolute nonsense, if anything it makes her more concerting
rich grove
absolute nonsense, if anything it makes her more concerting
i did kind of set myself up for that one huh
frail jasper
you did yes
rich grove
unfortunately it is a charm point for haze
i so do enjoy my poor little tortured soul federal blacksite agent meow meow
frail jasper
what does she mean by t his
gotta have the right soundtrack while you're rescuing people from their own stupid plays
lavish grove
Also apparently Dynamo got an invite to the OSIC
rich grove
i mean yeah
from Haze's demeanor she just hands that shit out like candy though
half her interactions are her just going "PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEEEEEASE become a fed im BEGGING you"
lavish grove
The most shocking is inviting Graves tbh
frail jasper
haze thinks her job is important, I can understand her trying to look out for talent that can make that job get more done
rich grove
and she does genuinely appear to have a talent for necromancy
somber creek
Haze invites everyone except Ivy who is the only person who asks to join
agile void
haze thinks her job is important, I can understand her trying to look out for ta...
more done or more correctly
rich grove
a Six
somber creek
It's better to have someone with catastrophic abilities to be in a place with checks and balances rather than just like
Runnin' Around
agile void
again, haze tells abrams that the org needs people that care about what doors they kick down
frail jasper
more done or more correctly
either. as much as haze doesn't like what she does, she knows she's good at it and truly believes it makes an overall positive influence in the world
rich grove
yeah it's kind of novel that haze does genuinely appear to not be a sadist
frail jasper
so the OSIC having more talented people in it (preferably for the right reasons) is a good thing in her perspective
astral lava
everyone loves the assassin who treats it as a job
frail jasper
"we're not monsters"
"don't you kill people in their dreams?"
"it's more of a royal we"
merry verge
OSIC just sort of seems like government funded Baxter Society
agile void
I cannot understate how rems inclusion basically allowed the rest of the community to see haze as a decent person
rich grove
despite being a close range character, haze is in fact the sniper of this game in character,
frail jasper
I would like to know the rem/haze connection deep lore
rich grove
i think people have fanoned that haze is the one who bought rem back
seeing as she directly interacts with the dreamworld as a day job
agile void
doesnt help how she is like one of the most common characters that cheaters use or is the one that gets the more toxic players
merry verge
'Basically my mom' from Rem is also a little telling
somber creek
It's not exactly fanon as it's really heavily implied
frail jasper
Yeah it seems plausible that she's in some way responsible for rem being not in dreamland. She seems remorseful over rem being here at all.
Plus the whole "you're KIND OF my mom!" and "she's ME!" lines from rem
merry verge
Maybe Rem is just her wistful concept of being able to rest for like, a moment
agile void
people assumptions is that rem is perhaps a tulpa or dream friend
mostly because of the "you kinda are"
rich grove
yeah wouldn't surprise me if that were the case
stray arch
Rem is actually Bane from Dota 2 trying to do a rebrand
merry verge
I can't get over how accurately Baby Rems lines are
somber creek
Rem's VA really sells baby yeah
frail jasper
Bane is a really fucked up creature
rich grove
Haze do NOT get freaky with Atropos I am begging you
frail jasper
congealed nightmare of a goddess
rich grove
please do NOT
frail jasper
dripped out her nose during a bad sleep like tar snot
astral lava
Rem is actually Bane from Dota 2 trying to do a rebrand
warp crystAAAAAaaaAaaaAaaal!
stray arch
Bane having this marshmallow of child after literally eating the goddess of dreams would be the ultimate petty vengeance.
vast sandal
I think that Hazeâs ult voice line being âyou will be judgedâ is interesting
Itâs not âIâm gonna kill youâ, she very specifically alludes to the concept of judgment after death
rich grove
Bane having this marshmallow of child after literally eating the goddess of drea...
well, Venomancer's ult means that Bane can canonically be boypreggers
gray otter
yeah thats who i mean
astral lava
re: bane https://www.twitch.tv/wayneradiotv/clip/InexpensiveDrabEggplantBloodTrail-2mQ_mk3a1sHDwI-2 (mildly NSFW audio, ai generated audio deployed specifically because it sounds terrible) (can delete this if it breaks the ai rules lol)
frail jasper
fun fact, viscous and the squid from Vortex Web went to the same school together
gray otter
the fish that hooks onto walls?
hes been in herolabs purgatory for like a year or something
stray arch
well, Venomancer's ult means that Bane can canonically be boypreggers
So you found my Ao3 account
astral lava
theres a squid? damn
rich grove
they actually DO have a slork in dev iirc
at this point I suspect that Slork is going to be the shitty wizard of Deadlock because of how many datamined lines reference him being in dev hell
there's a Celeste line about how you're alive if people are still talking about you iirc
astral lava
seven is the shitty wizard bc he lives in da sewers
gray otter
whats a shitty wizard
astral lava
every dota hero has a voice line saying "shitty wizard"
stray arch
Running joke in Dota 2 development
rich grove
astral lava
It plays nowhere intl the video game
gray otter
ahh i see
ivory reef
@mild flume is my shitty wizard
frail jasper
https://liquipedia.net/dota2/Shitty_Wizard
Annie Mage with "Do you even need to qualify the word "wizard" with another pejorative?" is a good one for how much she/he hates wizards on principle
vivid nimbus
hes been in herolabs purgatory for like a year or something
Herolabs ended a bit ago now, but yeah Trapper, Wrecker, Raven, and Fathom were some of the last ones in it
rich grove
Annie Mage is an extremely fucking funny way of referring to the r63 skin
hey why does the wiki not have Marci voice lines for shitty wizard
are they stupid?
bleak thicket
i wonder why
astral lava
she's too polite
rich grove
đ¤
vivid nimbus
But what if Marci is the wizard?
bleak thicket
truly unknowable
rich grove
Marci is not a wizard of anything except fists
agile void
I just checke
rich grove
Marci knows one spell and it's turning your ass out
agile void
only celeste, rem and silver have references to slork
magic summit
Still very funny to me that Marci and Primal Beast released back to back
agile void
graves, apollo and venator dont
rich grove
they're slorkin it
astral lava
slork is the rat(fish) king
magic summit
Saved a lot of voice acting money there
vivid nimbus
Marci is not a wizard of anything except fists
Unless she's a really shitty wizard, huh? Like if Rincewind was a badass who punched your ass out
finite grotto
I went spirit strike as my first item in lane vs abrams and dynamo as celeste
it was so fun
jump in for a cheeky light melee
rich grove
Still very funny to me that Marci and Primal Beast released back to back
imagining a voice actor strike occuring and Valve responding by releasing Io, Marci and Primal Beast back to back to back
vivid nimbus
Marci knows one spell and it's turning your ass out
Rincewind also only knows one spell, what do you think of that?
gray otter
does marci not talk
magic summit
A very very cool spell
rich grove
yeah that's the bit
Marci has no voice lines except for whistles
this drove me insane when I was watching TI knowing nothing about the character cast
granite heath
Unless she's a really shitty wizard, huh? Like if Rincewind was a badass who pun...
is the shitty wizard joke here intentional?
rich grove
cause I was just hearing constant whistling and wasn't sure if someone was BMing with emotes
astral lava
lmfao
rich grove
no that was just Marci beating people's ass and also getting her ass beaten
astral lava
whats character cast? I missed that TI
finite grotto
ok i need to get spirit strike in lane more
rich grove
this was the most recent TI when she was either pick/banned in pretty much every single match
it was hard hard marci meta
astral lava
wow
vivid nimbus
is the shitty wizard joke here intentional?
Yes
ivory reef
marci is the cutest, marci meta best meta cause we always get to see marci
rich grove
true
astral lava
do you think we'll get a Beta Release Announcement for deadlock at ti2026
rich grove
marci punches except they're true gifs
rich grove
i love that she's literally just a woman
bleak thicket
OUR VENATOR BOUGHT ECHI SHARD JUST NOW
ecchi shard...
astral lava
is the dota cartoon at all good
finite grotto
WHAT IS HE COOKING
ivory reef
marci: the support duo gf of dota
rich grove
she's just a regular human woman who beats people until they die
astral lava
i was immediately turned off by non-tony Todd DK lol
granite heath
do you think we'll get a Beta Release Announcement for deadlock at ti2026
We'll actually get the announcement for the Deadlock card game.
rich grove
who would win a giant conglomeration of rocks and boulders that carries a giant tree around
ivory reef
We'll actually get the announcement for the Deadlock card game.
thank yuo tom i want to die this is for sure the funniest worst option
rich grove
or one regular human woman
astral lava
We'll actually get the announcement for the Deadlock card game.
Fairtifacx
vivid nimbus
WHAT IS HE COOKING
Oh hey this is punch Venator, he can shotgun you, melee you off the stun, echo shard to repeat
bleak thicket
thank yuo tom i want to die this is for sure the funniest worst option
deadlock autobattler soonâ˘
rich grove
yeah that's punch venator
astral lava
max rank venator 2 makes heavy melee un parryable
rich grove
that is genuinely 100% a semi meta venator build
granite heath
is the dota cartoon at all good
it's got pacing issues, and a bit of a meandering plot, but I liked it.
astral lava
it looks really fun lol
agile rune
Jenny has become the tiny little beaste
ivory reef
oh god dota underlords
rich grove
no max rank venator 2 makes the melee do true damage
bleak thicket
i am become crying rem
ivory reef
I was really disappointed in the valve asset flip era i dunno
rich grove
I think base venator 2 stun can make heavy melee unparryable
frail jasper
Punch Venator is a thing a bunch of pros have been playing recently.
rich grove
idr though
frail jasper
I think base venator 2 stun can make heavy melee unparryable
BARELY but it can
astral lava
underlords is truly insane. dota autochess invented the whole thing and then they ruined it after realizing its not good
autumn field
WHAT IS HE COOKING
Shotgun punch machine
merry verge
Punch Venator is a demon
frail jasper
it's a very tight window
merry verge
Hit someone for a damnb thousand
rich grove
either way since they buffed the stun recently so that venator 2 into heavy melee is a true combo, the build looks genuinely legit
vivid nimbus
It's probably in the "suboptimal but really funny and not an outright throw" bin
autumn field
Ok yeah I saw the convo but itâs 2000 something damage
rich grove
once you hit the 5AP power spike it genuinely kills people
the only problem is the inherent unreliability of the stun
ivory reef
underlords is truly insane. dota autochess invented the whole thing and then the...
I'm really happy mechabellum exists and i'm hoping people just make more autobattlers that aren't bad
frail jasper
worth noting that you don't have to melee immediately after the shotgun wall-hit, you can just hold onto it forever until your next melee
ivory reef
i'm very tired of the autochess slot machine style
frail jasper
so you slam someone and watch them parry nothing
bleak thicket
bazaar is a great autobattler too ~w~
ivory reef
of autobattelr
rich grove
it works exactly like doomfist punch stun, and like doomfist punch stun, it is insanely unreliable
ivory reef
bazaar is great yeah
rich grove
slidebugging is a constant worry
ivory reef
you're righti 'll put bazaar next to mechabellum
rich grove
on the other hand this makes it a great get-off-me button if you're low
because you get to send people to brazil
ivory reef
we need more Good Autobattlers That Aren't Just Copying Autochess Slot Machines
vivid nimbus
Vero gonna come back to 100 messages about punch Venator
gray otter
did the bazaar devs ever figute their shit out wrt monetization
astral lava
I tried dota autochess Once, tried teamfight tactics a couple times, each time I was like "okay this is not a real video game"
bleak thicket
did the bazaar devs ever figute their shit out wrt monetization
they did yeah!
ivory reef
I tried dota autochess Once, tried teamfight tactics a couple times, each time I...
I tried really hard to like the genre
people were calling it the future of card games
astral lava
hopes and prayers powered video game
ivory reef
it was... it was not the future of card games
ivory reef
"autochess is gonna kill heartshtone"
bleak thicket
it is very much a low spoon game genre for me
astral lava
playing it actively and alt tabbing away for a minute are identical experiences
ivory reef
thankfully we live in the beautiful future where both autochess and hearthstone are dead
and instead I play layer null
rich grove
on the topic of moba card games i should work on raze some more at some point
ivory reef
and other good games instead
gray otter
layer null mentioned!!!!
rich grove
i made a massive breakthrough on it and i am genuinely only being held back by graphic design issues
ivory reef
team fight tactics did commit yeah, they never did give up on the project
good on them
somber creek
I also miss when Hearthstone was good :c
rich grove
namely 'how do I do link arrows without getting the nuts sued off me by Konami for graphical license'
ivory reef
I also miss when Hearthstone was good :c
voy play netrunner with us. play ashes. join me in the project of playing games that are good
and not run by megacorps
astral lava
I could never get in to hearthstone bc you would change one card in your deck from starter deck, then immediately get thrown in to otk combo hell
somber creek
I genuinely have no interest in any other card game tbh
Hearrthstone was just the gold standard of UI
rich grove
"everything reminds me of her"
i have that but with nuclear throne instead of hearthstone
but nuclear throne is still really good so it's a much more fortunate situation
finite grotto
the punch venator now has warpstone too!
rich grove
waow (based based based based based based based based based based based )
venator is quite squishy compared to abrams so it makes sense
merry verge
Punch Venator can end up shockingly sturdy
rich grove
if you use your 2 as an offensive weapon that's also your reversal option
autumn field
I really need to try warp stone apollo
merry verge
Purple investment ends with like +15% resists
rich grove
you will explode if you get CC'd in the slightest
astral lava
warp stone is good on everyone tbh
ivory reef
warp stone is force staff so you're so correct
rich grove
yeah glorp stone is just a generally nice defensive option
rich grove
no it's euls
astral lava
warp stone + metal skin = infinitely better bullet resist
autumn field
Only thing is, 52% resist goes nuts
astral lava
warp stone is blinks dagger to me though it does have Defined Distance
god remember the blink dagger penalty range
rich grove
it's deffo euls for me
autumn field
I remember some momentum tech with warp
rich grove
glorp stone preserved momentum for one patch and then they removed it because it turned out that was the only thing keeping it remotely balanced
item will always have the potential to be bananas
astral lava
if they add aghanims scepter I want it to still just be called that
vast sandal
glorpstone my beloved
rich grove
they have to go by roshan rules where it's just an anagram
astral lava
what stats could you possibly give aghs in this game
rich grove
an aghanagram if you will
bleak thicket
i cant wait for them to add distruptors glimpse to deadlock
finite patrol
ghanima
astral lava
i cant wait for them to add distruptors glimpse to deadlock
god please give me this and X marks the spot
finite patrol
its just like dunc 3...
rich grove
i can't wait for them to put time walk into deadlock 
gray otter
namely 'how do I do link arrows without getting the nuts sued off me by Konami f...
make the arrows keys
merry verge
I think Glimpse would make people insane
gray otter
have them "unlock" the zones
astral lava
zipline boost used up and you get sent back to base
ivory reef
warp stone is blinks dagger to me though it does have Defined Distance
blink dagger is absolutely majestic leap
astral lava
glimpse would probably have to be an ult in this game
finite patrol
i can't wait for them to put time walk into deadlock <:bhink:608076113998118914>
me playing the video game: đ
me playing the video game when the clock slowly stops ticking: âşď¸
autumn field
Whatâs time walk
finite grotto
this guy is so based
astral lava
(for those who do not know, glimpse is an ability in dota that sends the target back several seconds in time)
rich grove
yeah they split the blink and the 'mobility option that goes on cd if you get hit' into two items
finite patrol
It allows you to take an extra turn after this one
merry verge
Glimpse has to be one of the funniest spells in gaming, oh-no-you-don't ass spell
rich grove
time walk is a button you can press to undo all the damage you took in the last 2 seconds
gray otter
(for those who do not know, glimpse is an ability in dota that sends the target ...
oh my god
merry verge
time walk is a button you can press to undo all the damage you took in the last ...
Shiv ( Two )
gray otter
"yknow what fuck you"
un-ults your silver
rich grove
yeah it's like bloodletting but 100% damage instead of 50%
vast sandal
Weaver is the coolest DotA 2 hero
astral lava
(for those who do not know, glimpse is an ability in dota that sends the target ...
Teleports the target hero back to where it was 4 seconds ago. 24 second cooldown at rank 1 down to 18
rich grove
this is, as you can imagine, absolutely infuriating for any kind of burst hero
lavish shale
Glimpsing someone who just TP'd in is a whole thing
rich grove
you get 100 spells dumped on you and then you get to hit them with the not_very_woke_of_you.gif and then chrono their ass
astral lava
chronosphere in deadlock to save all your enemies
gray otter
they gotta add glimpse holy fuck
frail jasper
remember when backtrack was just void's basic 3 passive
vast sandal
we are talking about Weaver's ult right
lavish shale
chronosphere in deadlock to save all your enemies
Kelvin ult is spiritually Chrono I feel
rich grove
i grief enough as is with black hole
ivory reef
no
autumn field
I hope they add doomfist to deadlock
ivory reef
faceless void, level 1
astral lava
void e
vast sandal
ah
lavish shale
even if it doesn't have as high potential to fuck things
astral lava
when will we get charge of darkness.
rich grove
when you have a lash and a kelvin on the same team
holy shit
the potential for blue falconry is
unspeakable
frail jasper
to the BUBBLE with you
ivory reef
we are talking about Weaver's ult right
weaver's ult is much much stronger
vast sandal
yeah Weaver's ult is FREAKY
rich grove
the number of times I have seen the kelvin dome off the juiciest lash ult ever or ice path break lash ult throw
ivory reef
since you can
- cast it on friends
- cast it after dying and buying back
autumn field
What does weaver do
astral lava
skitters
rich grove
I genuinely stopped playing kelvin for that reason in pubs
ivory reef
because legally, a few seconds ago, you had full life and were in the middle of the fight
vast sandal
Paradox should be Weaver
ivory reef
so there you are again
astral lava
god give me nyx assassin burrow
finite patrol
when you have a lash and a kelvin on the same team
I had a fun one a while back where I domed after lash ulted into our guardian and ground slammed but cus of lag he got locked out of the dome despite the ground slam hitting them
rich grove
đ
astral lava
Time Lapse
Weaver warps backward to whatever position it was in five seconds earlier--regaining the HP and mana from that time. No effect on cooldown, gold or experience.
DISPEL TYPE: Strong Dispel
75 second cd down to 40
rich grove
the other thing that happens to me all the time is that I don't get my teammate in the dome with me who actually kills people
so I have just given the enemy team a chance to full reset inside my dome
and also died
autumn field
Paradox would be so fucking funny if you had the ability to reset parts of your kit
vast sandal
Weaver just doesn't care what you want to do
rich grove
do not make Paradox into Tinker I am begging you please
merry verge
Laned with Silver/Kelvin and it truly felt like 'what can the enemy even do'
autumn field
Like imagine you just say âactually no fuck you full staminaâ
astral lava
put bounty hunter in. steal souls.
vivid nimbus
I'm waiting for the hero with Techies/Teemo mines
frail jasper
paradox becomes the weaver of deadlock but it's only the "throws lots of bugs" half of him
autumn field
And then go âhmmm ight imma come back to life fuck timeâ
rich grove
Laned with Silver/Kelvin and it truly felt like 'what can the enemy even do'
my understanding is that Kelvin in pro play was largely pick/banned because of his synergy with Shiv in lane
vast sandal
I already shoot plenty of gun as Paradox
autumn field
Ok wait stupid idea
autumn field
Ult where you can spend charges by pressing it X times in succession to get whackier effects
vast sandal
I also have Pulse Grenade, which is very nice.
lavish shale
would ogre magi function in deadlock
the multicast you mean?
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long range hero target abilities like shiv ult
rich grove
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for maximum skill
lavish shale
Ogre Magi-like would be weirder in Deadlock for lack of mana I think
vivid nimbus
my understanding is that Kelvin in pro play was largely pick/banned because of h...
RN it seems like a reactive ban in the pro meta, he gets banned in the second ban phase to prevent synergies
ivory reef
Deadlock seems preeetty low on Percent Chances type things
-# good because they are not good design
merry verge
big agree
rich grove
no prng (penis rng) please
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ogre magoo is real
bleak thicket
ivory reef
thank you jenny
vivid nimbus
Lucky Shot, Tesla Bullets, Plated Armor, Armor Piercing Rounds are the handful of actual RNG things I know of
Everything else is mostly determinsitic, if unpredictably so
rich grove
Lucky Shot, Tesla Bullets, Plated Armor, Armor Piercing Rounds are the handful o...
and because of how m1 damage meta works they're largely pretty equivalent to "X% resist/damage buff"
ivory reef
yeah, honestly, randomness can be a very interesting tool used in very interesting ways
rich grove
law of large numbers
ivory reef
but I've historically found warcraft 3 randomness to just mostly be dnd stuff
which is not very interesting or skill expression inducing
rich grove
what are your thoughts on damage variance in dota
merry verge
Chaos Knight Funni..
vivid nimbus
Wait, I forgot two map things, bridge buff types and initial urn spawn
lavish grove
Chat, anyone else not able to launch the game?
ivory reef
what are your thoughts on damage variance in dota
I find missing uphill... interesting? in mid lane? but that's it
the random attack variance is not very interesting
lavish grove
Oh shit it launched after like 5 minutes
rich grove
sometimes it looks like you just get punished by gabe for trying to last hit as CK
ivory reef
oh god ck
okay ck is different
the man is literally called chaos knight
you get what you asked for
vivid nimbus
Oh wait also Mirage and Haze also have evasion stats in their kits
rich grove
i actually kind of fuck with the random debuff facet
ivory reef
I don't have issues with gambling man having gambling mechanics
but i'm bored by like... "this char has a random crit that 15% of the time does more damage"
ivory reef
as design it's boring
finite grotto
rich grove
it genuinely does seem like a really considered and clever balance choice
finite grotto
punch venator maximum
rich grove
you can, for free, get one of the most broken counters to a given character baked into your kit
if
autumn field
I like evasion / prevention %
ivory reef
spirit breaker
merry verge
Spiritbreaker..
vast sandal
YES
rich grove
c-centaur warrunner
ivory reef
what an excellent design damn
vast sandal
Spirit Breaker
rich grove
chaos knight vs Cows Knight
vivid nimbus
the fucking moo cow that runs across the map
Yknow what I looked him up and I shouldn't feel surprised
vast sandal
Greater Bash is a little dumb
finite grotto
Chat, anyone else not able to launch the game?
ok after the update that just went through its also taking me a good amount of time to get in
vast sandal
but otherwise he's so fire
gray otter
my most wanted characters for dota 2 are, in order:
- deer
- haunted mannequin
- slork
ivory reef
what a cool ability
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https://tenor.com/view/shock-recognise-yi-sang-cow-canto-iv-gif-1720974523019673...
Dongrang fed all his unreliable gold and then got together with Alchemist
somber creek
I do think global charges are fun
I do not want mini stuns on bullets though please god
astral lava
my most wanted characters for dota 2 are, in order:
- deer
- haunted mannequin
-...
until they get a new model, sinclair is the haunted mannequin
rich grove
can't wait for Mirage's Aghs to be dawnbreaker ult
merry verge
Idk how Sinclair players aren't distracted by their fucked up hips
vast sandal
I feel dumb calling Spirit Breaker "the moo cow" what am I 5 years old
rich grove
stand by for miragefall
rich grove
Idk how Sinclair players aren't distracted by their fucked up hips
hey I onetrick them because I also have dysplasia
spring tundra
vivid nimbus
It'd be funny if Sinclair's model just leaned more into being a mannequin controlled by two fucked up ghosts
finite grotto
a better reload would be nice
somber creek
I do think Sinclair probably should have been named something to indicate it's two people in there
rich grove
they just need to add all the polish and love they've put in the new characters
astral lava
mip those maps
somber creek
Like "The (Last Name)s"
astral lava
I do think Sinclair probably should have been named something to indicate it's t...
technically they are The Magnificent Sinclair in full
rich grove
right now they just kind of feel like they got pooped out by valve because of how much of a headache the ult was to implement
vivid nimbus
It's the name of Henry and Savannah's act
rich grove
so all of the sprint got spent on the programming and none whatsoever on the art
spring tundra
Yeah
hallow zenith
Like "The (Last Name)s"
The Sinclairs?
somber creek
Yeah but everyone says "It's Sinclaire, go get him"
ivory reef
"we implement rubick first" is such good design lmao
spring tundra
Theyâre absolutely gonna get a big redesign
ivory reef
skipping all the headaches
rich grove
it's Rubick without all the "stealing non-ultimate ability" bullshit
we know what you perverts want
and it's to grab black hole
that's it
somber creek
Well teeeeeeechnicallllllllllllly
autumn field
God I just remembered the silver x paige and the evil and intimidating Celeste (lesbian)
rich grove
you want to do the montage thing
somber creek
with siiiiiiiiiiiilverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
finite grotto
but ye it is really nice to have sinclair this early
vivid nimbus
Lines from the Archmother imply the name "Sinclair" is the surname for both Henry and Savannah.
rich grove
none of this "steal Jakiro Ice Path" no you want to grab chronosphere
finite grotto
I remeber for league adding sylas was a huge pain since they had to include ult stealing now
merry verge
Some honest Rubicks just want to cliff people, okay
finite grotto
but having it from the beginning is just smart
gray otter
and it's to grab black hole
actually its to grab 4, the training dummy's ult
rich grove
you're a pervert and a freak and you want to clip streamers
somber creek
I thought Viego was worse
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I remeber for league adding sylas was a huge pain since they had to include ult ...
but the burden of knowledge
somber creek
because it was having to balance a champ around every other champ
gray otter
the league equivalent would be sylas
spring tundra
I only recently realized that uhh
rich grove
isn't that more uhh Morphling's thing
somber creek
of A Rubick
gray otter
oh yeah viego is a mess
spring tundra
Viscous is untextured other than the ooze
rich grove
Rubick just steals one spell, Morphling is the Becomes Other Guys Guy right
spring tundra
Speaking of stuff thatâll be fixed later
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viego kills a guy and just gets their full kit for 10 seconds
somber creek
Morphling just adjusts his stats does he not
astral lava
its a passive at lvl 1 lol
spring tundra
But like all his little greebles are grey
astral lava
he can clone himself to people also
finite grotto
viego is so fun tho đ
rich grove
but for Morphling it's... ult right
whereas the way you guys are describing Viego that's just something he does all the time whether he wants to or not
vast sandal
it's his passive
rich grove
that is a massively meaningful difference
vast sandal
on-kill he turns into whoever he killed
astral lava
viego is the most picked guy in league rn
vivid nimbus
Viego can borrow the non-ult abilities of any dead enemy champ
spring tundra
How is sinlclaires non ult kit btw
vast sandal
he also gets his ult back and heals
frail jasper
we know what you perverts want
Also shoutout to the Abrams who was sitting on the turn-in point like I canât just drop the urn, send him to the Baroness, pick it back up, turn it in, and still have time to escape before he leaves jail
You won the game but you lost the clip farming contest buddy ole pal
these lines from a doorman player
spring tundra
Obviously the ult is all anyone talks about
ivory reef
How is sinlclaires non ult kit btw
very good
finite grotto
his 1 is mean
spring tundra
All I know is he can summon his wife who is lady Geist rn
vivid nimbus
His 3 is also mean
spring tundra
Which is extremely funny