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agile rune
finite grotto
It feels so good ye
also is geist the only character that uses mystic/radiant regeneration?
lavish shale
it's not used much other than on her
and on her still mostly just because it offsets the health costs for her abilities
frail jasper
Shiv (knives) and Apollo (all spirit)
vast sandal
What’s the distinction between radiant and spirit lifesteal anyways
Or rather whats the situational advantage
frail jasper
Lifesteal is % of damage you deal, radiant is burst heal + regen over time (sustain)
vast sandal
So I suppose the thing that makes radiant regen better for Geist is that you’re not planning to do more damage than you lose HP, so you just want the flat healing and the top-off ?
frail jasper
Radiant kinda just negates the cost of Geist abilities without even having to hit anyone
finite grotto
ye and beyond that you also really dont go any more spirit in geist from what I know
vast sandal
Oh it’s on cast
rich grove
it's rushed relatively early in lane because that's when the health cost is the most significant
vast sandal
Splendid
finite grotto
you also sell it later on for better items once you have your leech and need slots
rich grove
eventually you'll just get big enough that the health cost probably doesn't matter and you do just lifesteal it all back either via bullet or spirit or leech
but in the early game dealing 120 damage to yourself with abilities when you have 900 hp is brutal
finite grotto
this is a couple of games ago but
pictures that hurt you (40 minute game)
I keep having spirit wardens on my side 
vast sandal
Why is Warden so utterly sauceless
finite patrol
Why is Warden so utterly sauceless
warden is goated with the sauce
his model leaves much to be desired
but his voice lines are brain rewriting
rich grove
warden as a character function and model is pretty much white bread and water with no ice
autumn field
Mirage problem
rich grove
but he just works
finite grotto
all I wish for warden
rich grove
no mirage just has a bunch of abilities with zero cohesion
finite grotto
is for his ult not to have a 2 second windup
vast sandal
maybe I'm having another Paradox moment where a character looks sauceless in the lab but is cool in practice, but this guy throws a bottle at you and shoots you
rich grove
warden clearly has an intended combo of 1 + 3
vast sandal
the sauce is entirely on his 3
autumn field
You can bass boost 1 character
Who do you bass boost
I’m taking fire force “B R U H” explosion levels of bass boost
finite grotto
I need to play some warden again to get better at his early
rich grove
he's just got a bunch of reasonably good abilities and then a good gun
he really is just John Shoto for deadlock
vast sandal
his 2 is a shield that is a shield and is a shield and his ult is an install that does... what exactly? he just becomes Better Warden
finite grotto
cut the ult windup in half pls valve
rich grove
do not buff this chungus fucking ult ever again
rich grove
yeah I mean
that is what the ability is balanced around
you can't just panic rip it
finite patrol
thats why it fucking kills you and your pals
autumn field
I wanna see more Dragon Install characters
astral lava
if you can't handle the windup you're just not ready to change the world.
finite patrol
if you can't handle the windup you're just not ready to change the world.
maybe you should train your whole life for this
finite grotto
it is true
autumn field
Yamato has one, but I wanna see someone whose like, “Riposte now triggers a Shiv 2” kinda install
astral lava
also i had no idea you can early activate silver ult, speaking of install. you can just hit the button during the channel and it'll activate
vast sandal
like I know that he has an awesome voice, solid lines, etc. but his kit is absolutely bone dry
rich grove
yeah pretty much
finite patrol
yeah thats super important
autumn field
also i had no idea you can early activate silver ult, speaking of install. you c...
Wait seriously
finite grotto
yes?
vast sandal
you put them in the crane machine and then you hit them with the Death Sauce That Kills You
rich grove
i just play him because he's extremely stable
astral lava
during the channel period you can just do it instead of waiting for the whole meter
finite grotto
wait who doesnt insta press da button outside of lane 
finite patrol
idk i think binding word and his ult are interesting
rich grove
i can generally play him and carry without my teammates having any agency in ruining my life
astral lava
it'll be interesting to see what binding word will end up actually being instead of a crane
bc it aint staying that
rich grove
he has some flex slots for counterbuying so I can handle that on my own, his lane phase is quite stable into anything that isn't a giga monster universally, he has a gameplan that requires one neuron so I can focus on IGLing
vast sandal
I would play the fuck out of him if he had like, idk, anything other than what his 2 is
astral lava
celeste gave warden depression
rich grove
his 2 is an absolutely unreal ability
astral lava
oh btw. does vyper slide fast Up stairs???
vast sandal
okay that's surreal what the fuck
rich grove
wardenuinely his 2 + fleetfoot is this character's 7 minute powerspike
replace with surge of power as needed
vast sandal
okay it's DEFINITELY the sauceless visuals that are getting me
finite patrol
wardenuinely...
autumn field
oh btw. does vyper slide fast Up stairs???
Yes
rich grove
he becomes Mr. Run Ya Down
astral lava
that's crazy lol i probably would have not died as much if i knew that
rich grove
he does kind of fold defensively if you get counterpushed but his ability to just fucking kool-aid man at ya is ridiculous with stacked speedboosts
astral lava
like i know she Can slide up. but i did not think it would speed her up
finite grotto
he does kind of fold defensively if you get counterpushed but his ability to jus...
and his gun goes pew pew pew
autumn field
like i know she Can slide up. but i did not think it would speed her up
Oh that’s what you mean
rich grove
you want some kind of a fleetfoot effect so you can m1 at full speed but in conjunction with your choice of sop/burst fire/fleet etc
you go wooooosh
vast sandal
that fucking clunk clunk clunk ass gun dude
rich grove
he got the doohickey
vast sandal
it looks like SHIIIIT
rich grove
to this day I have no clue what the fuck it is meant to be
vast sandal
this man
does not sound like a fucking cop
he sounds like he should have a full beard.
tame jay
does not sound like a fucking cop
Because he’s not
vast sandal
I know he isn't
tame jay
I need his full alchemist gear
autumn field
ok no yeah @astral lava she 100% gets faster or is equally fast when sliding
finite grotto
Abrams 2 electric bogalo
agile rune
no mirage just has a bunch of abilities with zero cohesion
sure but you cannot say they lack sauce, his 3 and his ult in particular are great
rich grove
Venator gets kinda close in terms of the grizzled acolyte vibe
rich grove
sure but you cannot say they lack sauce, his 3 and his ult in particular are gre...
mirage or warden?
rich grove
alchemical flask
finite grotto
you gotta have alchemical flask and alchemical fire
autumn field
btw how do you wanna build warden?
agile rune
mirage or warden?
mirage
finite grotto
gun
autumn field
for street brawl in particular
rich grove
mf said 'how do you build this character when you have no control over items'
finite grotto
i mean its streetbrawl
rich grove
yeah idk
finite grotto
the purple wardens are living in the past from what i am told
rich grove
no advice is going to let you magically change the rng seed lol
finite grotto
autumn field
shame
rich grove
if you just get purple items it's not like it's helpful to say 'well you should have built gun stupid'
vast sandal
"what items are you looking for as Warden in Street Brawl" whatever you want to commit to but probably the orange ones
finite grotto
unironically btw
autumn field
well then
finite grotto
I look forward to the warden visual change to make him less bulky maybe
so i no longer think
he is a million times more tanky then he actually is
rich grove
he just kinda scales with pretty much any Good Item
autumn field
i guess im building hybird
rich grove
you put most of the imbues on his 1 cause 5s cd
finite grotto
leech good
rich grove
lightning scroll is obnoxious on any character that can actually use it but warden is especially nasty
but that's kind of 'would you rather have 1$ or 2$' in terms of extremely obvious statements
finite grotto
sidenote holy shit I need to be more careful with fury trance. Like atleast 1 per game i accidently use it where it kills or almost kills me
rich grove
the virgin fury trance vs the chad blood tribute
agile rune
almost kills is fine
rich grove
the children will learn to armlet toggle
agile rune
so long as you don't die
finite grotto
true true
autumn field
finite grotto
also pondering if i should try more drifter. All my drifter games thus far hhave been horrible (from me)
but one of those has the exodia sinclair
hallow zenith
Tried Shiv out today
astral lava
you can truly struggle on him sometimes but you need to be brave and kill everyone
granite heath
the children will learn to armlet toggle
hallow zenith
Spent the first like 20 minutes of the game dying 12 times to a Yamato who ended up going 60k souls
astral lava
i keep forgetting i have blood tribute at all even when i buy it on abrams. no idea if it gets used like armlet. do i use it to run around. when's the right time in fights. etc
hallow zenith
Got some items, figured out how to move, and we ended up winning
autumn field
he is fun to build
vast sandal
rich grove
you toggle blood tribute as a boof bkb because of how it interacts with the snapshot of debuff duration and after you initiate a gank with some kind of disable
autumn field
i love how warden's t3 shield goes from 125 -> 950
rich grove
i have seem some extreme freaks toggle on when infernus is 90% of the way to applying afterburn, get burned, have the burn duration slashed by 40% due to blood tribute resist, then toggle it off
agile rune
infernus more like infernus
rich grove
in my time playing around with it on haze, you toggle it on after you sleep your target because of the extra movespeed + fire rate, and then toggle it off asap because your hp pool is just not big enough to sustain any kind of prolonged use
autumn field
i have seem some extreme freaks toggle on when infernus is 90% of the way to app...
ok that is nasty
agile rune
he's another I wish to be better at
rich grove
it's sicko behaviour
toxic bullets proc breakpoint is about the same i believe
so you're getting massive stonks provided you can disengage afterwards and stop him re-building the stacks
autumn field
yeah i feel like id love abrams for some reason
if not for the issue of me not liking him
torn gulch
You can kinda build whatever on warden and it should in general work
finite grotto
the spirit snatch
agile rune
we cannot brush over carmen's statement about abrams
finite grotto
what do you have against hellboy smh
merry verge
He's had it too good for too long
merry verge
Boy should know at least a day of hardship
autumn field
i just dont like it in practice
rich grove
same
I just don't have whatever gamer gene lets lystic or iphonz abduct people 300km away and topfrag
i just end up doing no damage and serving as my team's 0 soul unstoppable
vast sandal
I feel like who you choose to abduct is a big part no
vast sandal
more than just not deciding you want to introduce all your friends to fucking Victor
(real thing I've seen a Bebop do, thanks Bebop)
you gotta smell who's gonna fold under pressure
earnest verge
I recently had an enemy Sinclair copy Dynamo's ult while I was playing Victor and use it way too close to me
Got me cackling
autumn field
lmao
vast sandal
yeah cmon everyone give the dead guy whose aura is so rancid it kills you a hug
wintry arrow
you gotta smell who's gonna fold under pressure
Alternatively, you simply acquire enough stacks to outpace the bomb nerfs.
agile rune
what do you have against hellboy smh
I love hellboy, I hate statements that are like "I'd believe x if I didn't believe th opposite"
vast sandal
would you rather have 1 soul or 2 souls
merry verge
Beyond two, perhaps
finite grotto
dont you dare
agile rune
I recently had an enemy Sinclair copy Dynamo's ult while I was playing Victor an...
tbf, if you're gonna copy any ult, getting top 1 ult in the game is a good choice
finite grotto
I love hellboy, I hate statements that are like "I'd believe x if I didn't belie...
oh ye sry. This was in response to carmen not you! (or i missunderstood further)
vast sandal
Especially considering Sinclair can jumpscare the shit out of you with his assistant swap
vast sandal
Blink Dagger, my beloved…
agile rune
so much the posterboy for the game is just hellboy and also he's always one of the best
finite grotto
I am still thinking about the sinclair that slaughtered me
agile rune
and then they're like "let's make the most common non-human group of people in the game be like hellboy"
undone galleon
what year is it
nothing ever happens, the early 2000s never ended
vast sandal
And then they added like, beginning of series Vegeta but he’s Hellboy too
agile rune
interesting that 2/3 ixians we've got in the game don't show any fire powers, despite that being well associated with ixians
vast sandal
Apollo’s kind of a Vegeta
agile rune
Apollo is a upper class 17 year old who has been too successful for his own good
vast sandal
Arrogant fighty prince boy who thinks he really was just born cooler than you so stop fighting back
undone galleon
so much the posterboy for the game is just hellboy and also he's always one of t...
i do think hellboy is just the clearest touchstone for the games visual aesthetic
agile rune
this is why his lab partner is some goth chick with a hand that talks to her
agile rune
i do think hellboy is just the clearest touchstone for the games visual aestheti...
absolutely
undone galleon
u would not get the osic w/o the bprd etc
tho i should actually pick up hellboy sometime lmao
agile rune
I also think Blood Blockade Battlefront with Hell Salem is basically the cursed apply nyc
vast sandal
I need the concept of a New York Municipal Coven member hero to return tbh
That’s a fucking based pitch
agile rune
we have several sewerboys
vast sandal
Guy who’s been out there throwing down with the magic New York rats for so long that he’s legitimately as dangerous as a OSIC assassin
agile rune
Guy who’s been out there throwing down with the magic New York rats for so long ...
urban druid
vast sandal
They’re sewer occupants, we need a sewer maintainer
Guy who fights the sewer krakens
agile rune
urban druid rat king
merry verge
Kugrash..
vast sandal
You already know that the Cursed Apple straight up has a sewer kraken
Make that the midboss it would go crazy
agile rune
well yeah, something had to show up to eat the alligators
vast sandal
You get it
agile rune
I'm looking forward to our first merperson
I'm hoping for some elder god inspired type shit
undone galleon
mo & krill, 7, Pocket
excuse u but pocket is not a boy
agile rune
mo & krill aren't a boy either, they're boys
undone galleon
pocket is tma
agile rune
pocket is nyfb
vast sandal
Truth.
mint latch
Wowzers, Seven's ball is bigger than I remember
vast sandal
If not for Pocket I would say another baller hero concept would be someone who’s just decked out to the nines in magic items
I guess there’s room for another one of those alongside Pocket
agile rune
alternately: collective of sentient magic items working together
finite grotto
haunted Armor shooting metal gloves
agile rune
haunted implies ghost, no no, I just want the armour to have come alive one day
frail jasper
Pocket isn't what I'd call "decked out with magical items" considering it's actually just the briefcase portal to the frog dimension
agile rune
Pocket isn't what I'd call "decked out with magical items" considering it's actu...
and the jacket
frail jasper
Not nearly enough drip
autumn field
Pocket isn't what I'd call "decked out with magical items" considering it's actu...
of course they have the dimension to the bisexual realm
agile rune
is it weird that I have a preference for which team I'm on for no mechanical reason
autumn field
i mean yeah between corpolady and im lowkey evil
agile rune
Hidden king has the best music
frail jasper
This is just true
merry verge
I have two specifics and it's: fighting for Archmother as Graves to hide Ults in those trucks HK base has
And fighting into HK with a seven defending is slightly more annoying because all the colors mesh together
agile rune
that's ever more mechanical than I was going
merry verge
I'm mostly embarassed to have multiple "oh there's a seven ult out here" surprises
agile rune
do you think they'll do something like old gods for the next bunch of characters? I think it worked very well for them but it does require having a bunch of characters done at once
and if so do you think they'll share a theme this time
autumn field
round 1 vyper lets fucking go
frail jasper
Brrrt
frail jasper
The slithering menace
lavish grove
I think I angered them (Im playing Apollo)
agile rune
I played a little today and actually drifter is feeling really good?
the increase on isolation range is super nice
vast sandal
ran into the most absurdly misogynistic Holliday player ever
low ELO is a crazy place
lavish grove
What’d they do?
lavish grove
Oh that sucks
agile rune
fuck that noise
autumn field
1200 dps vyper
frail jasper
I once had a strange back-to-back of someone being transphobic to a friend (while rattling off every slur they could think of), then the next game we had a Lash roleplayer using voice to say trans-ally lines in-character.
lavish grove
Had the craziest Apollo game of my life
Got like 26 kills
Unfortunately my team’s Victor spent the entire game giving Drifter free isolated kills
lavish grove
I think I angered them (Im playing Apollo)
And the entire teams sans Venator bought Slowing Hex (pictured here)
autumn field
I once had a strange back-to-back of someone being transphobic to a friend (whil...
Why do I feel like Lash would be the type to be cheering on trans people while slinging the nastiest shit about bebop ever at the same time
agile rune
Unfortunately my team’s Victor spent the entire game giving Drifter free isolate...
Drifter supremacy
autumn field
Oh yeah for street brawl they need to add “free sell” for items
Allow you to sell any items any time
autumn field
There’s also a bug where the wheel doesn’t work sometimes
autumn field
TRUTH
frail jasper
speaking of drifteri supremacy, I just won a drifter game. I wasn't rolling people, but I lost two fights to a billy and then farmed up to get Inhibitor and never lost to him again
lavish grove
Allow you to sell any items any time
It would be nice for items with downsides yah
frail jasper
fuck you, goat man, I will NOT fight fair, I WILL solo ult you and turn you into ground mutton
frail jasper
78% from sinners and statues lol
agile rune
I have a conspiracy theory answer
to make him more appealing to more casual players who can really benefit from his capabilities but may otherwise not find that sort of zoomed out view playstyle attractive
finite patrol
youre fucked up in the head!
agile rune
true but what for this time
earnest verge
0 gun items btw :)
To some extent I almost wonder if it'd been better if you were focusing on waves and I was jumping at their sinners every time they came up
But also I was very busy constantly fighting and that had its own value
bleak thicket
yeah i can just do their sinners while just passing through
lavish grove
I have a conspiracy theory answer
Honestly I think it’s because cute support characters tend to be quite popular
agile rune
I think rem is best ignoring your own sinners and trying to steal the other teams
bleak thicket
and it enables me to get some really high value support items
earnest verge
Idk if they changed anything but it feels like Victor comes online way earlier now
agile rune
Honestly I think it’s because cute support characters tend to be quite popular
also probably true
earnest verge
Or maybe I'm just way better
bleak thicket
i had divine barrier, curse, heal nova, refresher
lavish grove
I think rem is best ignoring your own sinners and trying to steal the other team...
Also yah, your team’s Carry’s really should have priority for your own sinners
earnest verge
Yeah true
lavish grove
Taking away the enemies though helps everyone
lavish grove
Or maybe I'm just way better
Nah I have the same thought
I think it’s because he doesn’t need spirit armor to use his 3 anymore
So you can actually focus on getting damage items
bleak thicket
yeah i always encourage people to just
take the last hits and hit the sinners if i put a rem helper on them already
its easy to take the last hit from them since they do it really late
earnest verge
I think rem is best ignoring your own sinners and trying to steal the other team...
Yeah I was Victor, main issue was I was too far up to take our own a lot of the time, admittedly exacerbated by the team having an aggressive Haze, Silver and Mina
bleak thicket
and im not thirsting for more permanent buffs
cause i also just throw helpers on crates/statues as im moving around the map
earnest verge
And I had very high uptime, so even if our picks had to take breaks individually...
agile rune
also just in part because stealing opponent sinners is so good, so anyone who can do it should, and rem is good at it
bleak thicket
yeah i always just go for their sinner house + side sinners at minute 8 right away lol
it lets me rush torment pulse and start working on healing buffs and healing nova
frail jasper
ideally yeah rem leaves the friendly side resources for teammates to take
in practice there's good odds they just don't go for it at all
Healing Nova's a very rare pick for me on rem. It has its use-case though. I think I'd prefer rescue beam more, but I rarely get that either vs other actives
agile rune
yeah it's better for rem to take them than no one, not gonna dispute that
frail jasper
the real rem sauce is ECHO SHARD
bleak thicket
ultimately as we get better at taking farm and dont leave stuff behind
i will move to taking more on the enemy side
but right now i just take whats there for a long while to rush high value stuff
having an early cursed relic is so nice
somber creek
I think the reason Rem is a baby is because eventually in a moba you make a little critter
Its an inevitable thing
You make a guy with a hook and you make a creature
agile rune
ivy is a creature
shy quiver
Thank you!
frail jasper
I need to play more fire rate and resist shred drifter, this spirit hybrid isn't feeding me enough dopamine
undone galleon
You make a guy with a hook and you make a creature
this is why deadlock fucks bc theres multiple creatures
agile rune
and multiple guys with hooks
bebop is for hooks purists of course, but billy's ult is sorta hook
undone galleon
also lash
somber creek
You go for Billy first and not Holiday?
autumn field
really good celeste
agile rune
display them in your museum
frail jasper
Fortitude feels so good on Drifter.
Just running from fight to fight being an absolute menace.
agile rune
helps that lifestrike lets rend heal you up
so you can be above that threshold always
agile rune
that's fair, sometimes the enemy is already building to deny heals so it's free to ignore lifestrike
frail jasper
melee lifesteal was taken but sold later
agile rune
basically make them waste those souls
autumn field
what if anti-anti heal
frail jasper
healing booster
autumn field
true lol
agile rune
what if anti-anti heal
too contrived
I will instead be building damage and mobility
while I'm happy with my two mains, I really want a third character I get excited by/vibe with to go with them
magic summit
agile rune
god her air movement is so different
magic summit
It really is
Going between Apollo and Celeste the game gave me Seven instead and after like 30 games of just those two it felt like running around with cement shoes
frail jasper
If I see a Celeste doing that sort of stuff I just tell my team to not even bother chasing her. She can escape from every fight if she wants to, we're just gonna kill the rest of her team.
agile rune
following up on her when you've knocked her back can be so awkward
doesn't help I play billy and drifter, so if she's backing up I'm not hitting her properly
magic summit
Celeste is sort of like Apollo except I can actually carry a game by myself
rich grove
i like venator trying to shoot you with the shotgun despite the fact that stun will categoricdally not work on you if you are at even marginally different heights
really what i'm getting from this clip is that we need to buff counterspell
agile rune
no no if celeste is in the game all enemy players get a free flyswatter
agile rune
like a baseline passive?
desert kelp
yeah
not tied to a stat the game lists in the lower left corner stats breakdown, or any one of the 4 abilities.
agile rune
I can't remember if billy's faster light melee and it not interrupting his reload is marked anywhere
but it does fit the criteria you listed
agile rune
he's also slowed less using light melee iirc
tidal elm
It's balanced that usually you only take 1 of em
Of course, then there's viktor but as a laner it's too much of a souls investment on barely 2k hp
autumn field
im an apollo main
whose rn purple/green
and i get 3.5k hp or something
so that's tons of extra HP for me
yknow im talking to some apollo mains and they want apollo buffs
agile rune
every player wants their main buffed
autumn field
lots of it is simply "spirit resil deletes this twink"
merry verge
Apollo mains learning how spirit works, get in line behind Lash
agile rune
that's true of a fair few characters, and if you notice the opponent has built that way you usually pivot to more supporting items and playstyle
deadlock is very big on counterbuilding and varying style game to game
autumn field
a lot of it is wanting his power to be better late game and not just early
agile rune
alternately, if they're building spirit resil to handle you, that's resources not spent dealing with your other teammates, including your main carry
rich grove
unsatisfied with lobster, they also want steak
autumn field
too strong early, weak late game
agile rune
I think that having lower power in the late game is an intentional design decision
that's basically valve going "no don't play this mobile twink as a carry"
autumn field
ok yeah but seriously though, he does feel like he falls off harder than others in long games
agile rune
true, and I think that's true of almost all the really mobile off-carrys
except celeste
merry verge
Lack of cc and all that doesn't help but it's not like he becomes nothing just less 'my full combo simply kills you'
autumn field
mmm
agile rune
he's still mobile as anything
rich grove
we're agreeing with you, i just feel no sympathy for the complaint
autumn field
i guess its particularly hard when your 2000 damage combo suddenly drops to 1000
agile rune
I think you focus less on mass damage and more on cleaning up kills late game
catching the people backing out of combat
autumn field
i imagine people would want more CC and less raw damage in his kit
would probably clean stuff up
or more gun, possibly
agile rune
strong cc in the early game is just as nasty as damage tbh, sometimes even moreso with how fragile characters are early
merry verge
They should make his shoes even squeakier
rich grove
"we want the aoe curse through walls character to have more cc" ok good night
autumn field
isnt that rem
agile rune
and taking some spirit for some gun can be rough, hybrid characters are on a bit of a backfoot
merry verge
/hides drifter under a rug
autumn field
tbf
merry verge
( though he usually ends up like 80% gun )
autumn field
he does have 2 T2 upgrades that are orange oriented
and his whole riposte kinda really gestures towards spirit snatch
agile rune
drifter is mostly gun, at least how I build him
frail jasper
Spirit Drifter feels really hard to get off the ground to me
agile rune
oh absolutely
tidal elm
Oh yea melee sustain and then just burst fire
merry verge
It's mostly spirit snatch and maybe brs
agile rune
considering most of your damage is coming off 1 and gun, and 1 scales off melee damage
not scales
is melee
don't lie to the people reggie
autumn field
so i asked
basically, nerf base/lane, buff scaling, make ult ignore spirit resil to some extent
agile rune
I also think, generally, they should let the new characters settle a little and get folks used to playing the characters and the meta around them fully before making more changes
autumn field
i wonder if they'll remove celeste's 50% cd on miss
agile rune
well that first change is like conceptual, doesn't actually say how they want that done
autumn field
i do hope they adjust apollo though
id like to feel him out with different scalings and the like
merry verge
I am shocked how much damage Mystic Burst + Sigil puts out
autumn field
140 is hella value
agile rune
I like where my boys are at atm, though billy is probably the weakest he's been the entire time I've played
I wish one of the supports clicked with me more
autumn field
deathy says billy is S tier
merry verge
My support is technically Doorman and he should clearly get charges on cart this would be healthy and fun
autumn field
what's interesting is that on stat trackers hes about 48%
mint latch
Played for the first time in a long while, seven is good when you dont have people with a god awful ammount of CC
merry verge
My stupid thought is it's people playing Billy like Abrams when he is similar but very different
The amount of 1v3 Inting Heavy Melee Billies
agile rune
my issue is actually just a matchup one
I have a really really hard time into celeste as billy
and she is not only everywhere but she's good
merry verge
Same with Drifter tbh, makes you feel the m1 range
autumn field
Billy is super aggressive but yeah you need to know how to play
agile rune
drifter isn't too bad because I'm rarely acting isolated as billy
autumn field
Abrams is kind braindead imo
agile rune
It's the aerial mobility on celeste I struggle with
autumn field
aim, press button
agile rune
Abrams is simple, no character is braindead
autumn field
move around so you dont die
merry verge
No that's what I mean, Drifter vs Celeste is also 'aaaaa get back here'
autumn field
Abrams is simple, no character is braindead
fair
agile rune
yeah I've also noticed that but as drifter I'm happy if I can just scare the celeste off
autumn field
and i basically just walked around melting people
agile rune
billy if I'm initiating I'm trying to drag it into a fight, ya know
autumn field
dying only because i got hit by 4 people at once
merry verge
It feels like Abrams Gun could do 60% of this damage and he would be Fine
autumn field
do you build gun on abrams i forgot
merry verge
They never even really build it
agile rune
it's a shotgun and shotguns are cracked
autumn field
like
i once played him
pure spirit + green
man juggernaut + makesyoubig is good on him
merry verge
I should try Colossus more it's an odd one
autumn field
colossus spirit + bullet resil is hilarious shit
fuck you 70% damage resist
i want to play a nuclear tank
agile rune
nuclear tank?
merry verge
Colossus Melee Venator...
autumn field
nuclear tank?
imagine if doorman was a tank or something idk
i like Abrams, he's just not fun to me
I should play green shiv
green shiv sounds super fun to me
agile rune
I like doorman, he has great kidnapping potentional on anyone more groundbound
merry verge
You can get an air cart but lordt it's an awkward projectile
agile rune
ye
merry verge
Getting a Seven Ult feels astonishing
mint latch
Yall, how do I play Paige
autumn field
spirit nuke who builds lots of healing
merry verge
Stand medium range from allies, throw shields and aoes
autumn field
christ a battle paige is horrifying
mint latch
Hmm hmm, so build spirit, throw shields
frail jasper
Yall, how do I play Paige
Buy guardian ward/ divine barrier for more barriers, buy knockdown and then put your 3 on them to chain CC, buy whatever other actives are good for the game (slowing hex into vortex), and so on
mint latch
Ok
agile rune
yeah also, you're a support, buy the support items useful in the matchup
mint latch
Hmm, this random build I got asks for mystic expansion but doesnt say what I should put it on
frail jasper
You can more or less skip raw spirit on her if you're playing support role. You want it if you're doing inferno dragons or something
frail jasper
Hmm, this random build I got asks for mystic expansion but doesnt say what I sho...
3
mint latch
Ok
autumn field
one of the big things about paige is you deal a massive amount of damage if you want
your dragons are crazy good w/ your sword
agile rune
you either build support on nuke on her, and I think there's a lot better nukers
agile rune
you do
mint latch
Any suggestion for like someone who is new to mobas
autumn field
Graves
merry verge
Seven
agile rune
go off vibes tbh
autumn field
Graves is insanely easy to build, easy to play, and focuses more on the larger map than the finer aim tbh
mint latch
Seven is already in my rotation
agile rune
if you think someone is cool, take them into a bot game
autumn field
like you could build virtually anything and it'd work
agile rune
graves is not a bad suggestion, imo
autumn field
gun? if its a bullet CC or lets you shoot more, it works
agile rune
rem is also another one that you worry more about strategy than direct execution
mint latch
I am asking around because I'm afraid if I only Seven one trick, the moment I dont get Seven, I crumble
autumn field
and green is just hella easy
agile rune
do you want another hard carry like 7?
autumn field
get spirit + bullet resil and boom, double HP
mint latch
Something less farming sim would be nice
agile rune
so you want something that doesn't need a tonne of farm and is simple for someone with minimal moba experience?
mint latch
Yes
agile rune
Mo & Krill appeal at all?
autumn field
mint latch
Hmm, sure, he looks cool
agile rune
strongest ult in the game
generally, you cannot go wrong with any pick, so long as you enjoy them tbh
iirc on mo & krill you build spirit damage and cooldown reduction for scorn
mild flume
imagine if doorman was a tank or something idk
you want yamato
with a heavy greens build
agile rune
no one wants yamato
tidal elm
Sad but it's true
Dynamo is always a pleasure to have in the team
It's like Braum in League
You're just happy he's there
mild flume
I think dynamo and M+K can both do a ton with relatively low farm
though sometimes its a bit of a one way trip in fights
tidal elm
M+K has a built-in reputation
But no one will ever complain to have them on their side
If it's an allied M+K, it's all good
The problems starts when it's not
agile rune
lockdown ults are good, more news at 5
agile void
merry verge
I really wish they thought of anything else for Vindicta's ult, did we need more infinite scaling, I guess people like number go up
warm sonnet
I prefer it over BIG MONEY BIG MONEY MONEY OF BIG
merry verge
Does Counterspell deny him the stack
tidal elm
One thing a lot of ppl seem to miss is like, object permanence
"Get away from others when you get bomb/celeste ult"
They immediately jump into the team
warm sonnet
The deadlock player is easily startled and seeks safety in the herd
tidal elm
By chugging a pipebomb into the herd aye
mild flume
M+K has a built-in reputation
But no one will ever complain to have them on thei...
a good reputation 😌
agile rune
I love to lane with M + K, it's just after laning that I get concerned
somber creek
As a Silver main I need M+K removed from the game tyvm
merry verge
I appreciate his abundantly shootable shape, really eats up a Slamfire
Also teams, please, please stop making Silver clear the waves, she is so bad at this orz
agile rune
almost everyone should be clearing the waves
merry verge
Many players still seem to be figuring this out
agile rune
jungle is a sometimes food, even for a carry looking for farm
merry verge
Ball Seven is a special case who gets to do both at once
edgy fog
I enjoy being a mo n krill
I struggle to kill sometimes but I enjoy bring a mobile cc tank
stable forum
Also teams, please, please stop making Silver clear the waves, she is so bad at ...
hold q more
and or buy a firerate idk
magic summit
true, and I think that's true of almost all the really mobile off-carrys
Yeah but I feel like Apollo right now is just not equivalent to some of those. Pocket scales great into late, Lash late game wins entire games off a good ult, Yamato they just buffed their slash scaling a lot to be good late and their ult scales super well with whatever you do
Meanwhile Apollo ult is a "kill all opps" button for the first 20 minutes then is a self destruct button in late game
undone galleon
agile void
stray arch
Rem is best bud
ivory reef
I agree that I think Apollo may be a little weak right now, it's hard to say
I think people aren't using his ult to the fullest
finite patrol
they definitely turned down a LOT of numbers at the same time
finite grotto
I would be interested if it is just that Apollo himself is weak or if the game is currently to slow for apollo to be stronger
ivory reef
I think his triple stab hitbox was too generous prior
But I do think that he has a skill cap that's very very high
finite grotto
Cause I can def see that maybe in higher tiers Apollo is still super fine if game are ended way earlier?
ivory reef
I feel like being able to suddenly freeze the enemy team for setting up whatever you want for like a whole second while they're cursed is kind of great
and nobody is really doing that
most apollo play we're evaluating him on is like, solo queue play
vivid nimbus
https://youtu.be/peh4rcyuDCM?si=Q04mnwXryfRGHGzG
Is walker stomp deterministic? I thought it was RNG but the vid could just be showing clips where it worked
agile void
did we had apollo matches in night shift?
agile void
Is walker stomp deterministic? I thought it was RNG but the vid could just be sh...
the enemy can kind of control it, they need to step in the smaller circle to trigger the stomp
and if you grab a enemy well
vivid nimbus
So a door inside the circle will immediately trigger it, gotcha
somber creek
I feel like being able to suddenly freeze the enemy team for setting up whatever...
Well its an execute, so people wanna try and use it to secure kills because thats what its ostensibly for
agile void
you will also see people bait the stomp to go in harder in the enemy
vivid nimbus
Oh, realized it feels RNG because walker can be busy still doing fireballs when you enter the circle
ivory reef
Well its an execute, so people wanna try and use it to secure kills because that...
sure, agreed. but like. this is dota
you gotta go the distance
iirc the execute bonus damage is checked at the last moment, at the end of the curse duration
could you just... like... ult someone and then geist shows up and swaps them into kill threshold
and then they die?
I suspect the answer is yes
because those tricks do work in dota
agile void
is it an actual execute?
ivory reef
icefrog is happy to let us ruin ourselves by making 4 step master plans which is a bad master plan
agile void
or just higher damage on low health?
ivory reef
it's not an axe style execute, it's just bonus damage below 50% health
vivid nimbus
or just higher damage on low health?
50% 60% damage boost if you're at low health
Which increases to 100% at T3
agile void
yeah I was getting confused over winged calling it an execute
ivory reef
but you don't even need to make it complicated, like, literally just "apollo starts with ult and then graves draws a line under them" will probably win you a fight
voy called it an execute
somber creek
Because it is
ivory reef
agile void
Because it is
I mean, an execute is what grey talon or shiv does
ivory reef
okay I think like. when jaacker clearly means instant kill
vivid nimbus
The base damage of 225 means it's doing at least 360 damage in lane against low health, depending on how much spirit Apollo has
ivory reef
we shouldn't use execute and get semantic about it
agile void
The base damage of 225 means it's doing *at least* 360 damage in lane against lo...
I imagine he has to at least have improved spirit
unless he went for something more unorthodox
vivid nimbus
Doing some math RN, gonna assume 3200 in spirit items and improved spirit plus base spirit scaling
18 from imp spirit, 6.6 from boon scaling (ult unlocks at 6 boons), 19 from investment, that's 43.6 spirit total
x1.6 spirit scaling on the ability means +70 damage on high health, +111 damage on low health
somber creek
But yeah, I do think Apollo didnt need his entire kit nerfed right away
He did need nerfs just not THAT much
agile void
Also isnt celeste dominating still?
vivid nimbus
So the 6 boon all in does do 471 damage, on some characters that's a guaranteed kill at 49% health
astral lava
playing him is fun but I regularly feel like I can only do well against bad players
edgy fog
I just made the joke of going "Saving your guys life, repay me with incredible violence" in Street Brawl
Venator said "Trust" and next round was a horrific roll
ivory reef
He did need nerfs just not THAT much
I can understand the emergency nerf + careful buffs approach
one underpowered character means everyon plays like 25 chars
one overpowered character means everyone plays 1 char
they're not quite symmetric problems
sometimes it's better to turn problem 2 into problem 1
somber creek
I do feel like we are currently in a meta where every game is the same tbh
I hardly see half the cast already
magic summit
The ult is a bit strange because it is a curse, but also they get damage reduction during it. And it doesnt interrupt
Right now ive just late game been using it as an engagement tool more than an execute
magic summit
Especially because the tier 3 upgrade might as well not exist
ivory reef
tbh I just don't think that's true. like even at night shift like 2-3rds of the cast are relevant
and like. from my perspective I see absolutely everybody in ritualist
maybe less sinclair?
sinclair is a wonky character I think needs a graphics pass
quiet sapphire
sinclair's a bit specialist, yeah
ivory reef
like if anything I think people can just clearly tell between the older more boring char designs vs the new ones. especially the old ones that are clearl using temp models
yeah I scanned the hero list I think sinclair is the only one that makes me go "oh shit a sinclair? 👀 "
everyone else I see regularly
quiet sapphire
remember the horrors of gun kelvin
finite patrol
youre just seeing a lot of the new heroes because they are. well. new
and thats half the heroes in a game
lavish grove
remember the horrors of gun kelvin
I prefer that to infinite slows forever beam kelvin tbh
Gun Kelvin is just kinda one gun carry of many
Beam Kelvin is the devil
quiet sapphire
peak gun kelvin was a menace
dusky flume
Trying to think who I haven't seen in a match yet
somber creek
https://i.redd.it/i1fh0g87idkg1.png
I do feel like 1/3rd is close enough to 1/2 that my point is not invalid
Cuz 13/38 being untouched is roughly 1/3
dusky flume
Don't think I've seen anyone hopping on Grey Talon, Ivy or Viscous
somber creek
I havent seen anyone play pocket in a WHILE
lavish grove
I see pockets semi consistently
somber creek
I havent seen one in a regular match in at least a month
lavish grove
Goddamn
ivory reef
Cuz 13/38 being untouched is roughly 1/3
half of 38 is 19, that's like 50% more than 13. and that's also night shift, like half the 'unpicked' heroes in the latest night shift are in my stack
somber creek
And ive seen like one in street brawl
dusky flume
I think I've been in a match with a Pocket exactly once. Haven't played too long, though.
ivory reef
we played with 2 of them in our last game
I guess I can only speak to my meta, I dunno, I can imagine that at different mmrs maybe different characters are overrepresented for pub stomping. or solo queue hard carrying.
or something like that
median lantern
I keep forgetting that pocket is a hero name and assuming it’s like Overwatch pocketing
ivory reef
like bloodseeker is way overrepresented in low mmr dota
in retrospect honestly maybe it's also cause I play 6 stack vs 6 stack
like pocket is insanely good with a team on comms with them
I would not be surprised if character balance skews a bit when everyone is siloed into a solo queue chamber
lavish grove
I keep forgetting that pocket is a hero name and assuming it’s like Overwatch po...
I mean you can pocket someone if you really want to
Dynamo does it very well
dusky flume
I haven't given Pocket a spin, but I think they're pretty cool
lavish grove
Just run around with your carry of choice
lavish grove
I haven't given Pocket a spin, but I think they're pretty cool
They’re fun but so goddamn hard
I keep trying and failing to win with them
magic summit
I haven't played much pocket since Apollo and Celeste came out
But my max rank on them was 86
bleak thicket
statlocker puts them at a 21% pick rate
from my own games
last 16 games has 6 pockets total
magic summit
To play pocket you just need to realize you must buy 3 to 4 active items every game
somber creek
statlocker puts them at a 21% pick rate
from my own games
last 16 games has 6 po...
If this is for pocket, they
ivory reef
they didn't even want to change letters
bleak thicket
If this is for pocket, they
oh ye, fixed, my bad
ivory reef
"we need a nonbinary that can phase shift, throw big orbs that they can teleport to, and like. have a cool teamfight ult. they should mandatorily build blink dagger majestic leap every game."
puck... pock... pocket
done
game design boys
lavish grove
yeah they're literally puck
Puck with a shotgun and daddy issues
granite heath
pucket
magic summit
I rarely see pockets tbh
lavish grove
Does puck also have a damage amp?
magic summit
And even the ones I see eat shit more times than not
ivory reef
pocket should get a silence
magic summit
Pocket used to have a disarm
lavish grove
Please no more silences
dusky flume
Is Puck nonbinary too?
magic summit
Puck is only referred to as "it"
ivory reef
puck is La Creatura
magic summit
Words rarely spoken
ivory reef
finite patrol
I must play this dota
be careful
somber creek
Puck is from the era where every NB being had to be a lizard
ivory reef
repeat
lavish grove
Puck is from the era where every NB being had to be a lizard
Now every NB needs a case full of frogs
ivory reef
the frogs fuck ngl
somber creek
Every NB now needs to be divorced
ivory reef
the frogs are definitely a rizz improvement on the stupid coil
i'll say that
if puck vomited fifty frogs that would be much funnier
but I do think barrage is super boring compared to waning rift
granite heath
Barrage has the float, which I think is something Pocket needs to feel similarly elusive.
lavish grove
I just kinda wish barrage had either pocket moving faster or a faster projectile speed
Ideally both
ivory reef
you're right the float is very good
dusky flume
Puck is from the era where every NB being had to be a lizard
We are allowed to be reptiles
As a lil treat
lavish grove
https://tenor.com/view/pocket-deadlock-lane-barrage-jacket-gif-10981256617752389...
God this gif is so old it’s used the old 4 lane map
vast sandal
pocket's tough.
finite patrol
how many extra skills can puck get if it buys aghs / shard
ivory reef
actually no extra skills
finite patrol
what the fuck icefrog
ivory reef
puck is not a 50 skills character they're a "use these 3 skills in maddening combos" character
- you need a bunch of mandatory actives
vast sandal
my issue with pocket is like
magic summit
The fanciest thing you can do on puck is orb buyback
lavish grove
I feel like only majestic leap is mandatory
vast sandal
figuring out how to land Barrage shots preemptively
ivory reef
yeah majestic leap / blink dagger is the big one
vast sandal
like you have to smell the situation where you start Barraging because in Barrage seconds it's gonna be time to do a Pocket combo on a group of enemies
ivory reef
honestly like. I do think the earlier heroes are just more boring
the newest heroes have more jazz hands in their design
magic summit
I hope when they do model updates they update some kits a bit
ivory reef
I hope more older heroes get interesting updates
like, early puck was also ten times more boring
early puck couldn't curve bullets like its Wanted and couldn't teleport with waning rift
lavish grove
I think the main difference is like, early heroes have a lot more skills that are just, there
And they’re good and useful
ivory reef
and couldn't set waning rift to sucky sucky mode
lavish grove
But they’re there
ivory reef
yeah. it reminds me of early dota hero design
lavish grove
While newer ones each skill have a clear and definite purpose
vast sandal
well
ivory reef
a whole Theme going on with all his stuff
lavish grove
Like, each part of Victor’s kit is purpose made to be Victor
vast sandal
now that I've played some Paradox
ivory reef
jinx
vast sandal
there's a flow
ivory reef
yeah I was thinking of victor
there's absolutely a flow yeah, like, the old characters are not bad
abrams is still top of meta right now
but they're less, like, player interest grabbing
less jazzy
lavish grove
Pain Battery needs damage so his 2 and 3 hurt him, his 3 needs time to escalate so his 2 is a speed boost, his ult wants him to go in so he has a slow on 1 and 3
vivid nimbus
https://i.redd.it/i1fh0g87idkg1.png
I also wanna note that Night Shift only has a handful of teams playing and those teams include known character specialists which shape the picks/bans further
ivory reef
you need to love the value they bring not the fantasy
vast sandal
nah like, her skills do have a flow, there's a combo
ivory reef
I also wanna note that Night Shift only has a handful of teams playing and those...
yeah it's a very small squad
dusky flume
I'm not sure if Dota 2 had any "beginner" characters people point to, I'd just try to go off of vibes like I'm doing with Deadlock now
lavish grove
nah like, her skills do have a flow, there's a combo
For sure but they’re not all serving the same singular purpose that newer kits are
ivory reef
I do think warden is like. painfully boring.
vivid nimbus
And there are qualifiers for other teams but they're not in the event streams AFAIK, and the event stream is the only games covered in the meta report
vast sandal
it's not obvious at first but you can show up and smash someone's head in with the Paradox full combo of stop-grenade-wall-swap
ivory reef
there's only one character I think really needs a rework stat and it's warden
the man is just absolutely a pile of random old dota abilities
lavish grove
Like I feel like the main difference is found in how a lot of the older characters have way more stuff you can build into because there’s like a dozen different things they scale off of
magic summit
I'm not sure if Dota 2 had any "beginner" characters people point to, I'd just t...
Dota lets you sort heroes by complexity and it is pretty reliable
ivory reef
I appreciate that they are still game winning stat wise, that's good, but please give them the new model and make them cooler I dunno. I love the AA freeze they have
but that's it
lavish shale
I'm not sure if Dota 2 had any "beginner" characters people point to, I'd just t...
There's a bunch
vivid nimbus
Warden feels mostly like a "has good spells" kit
ivory reef
a lot of 'old' dota hero design is all midrange
just a pile of good spells
cause hey value is value
lavish grove
I mean he’s at least got the gimmick of alchemical flask slowing and draining stamina
lavish grove
So his 3 is easier to land
vivid nimbus
And flask having a low CD and decent offense stats makes it good for imbues
vast sandal
the joke of "Paradox is a sentient Grey Talon owl" has been living in my head rent free for a while because it's kinda just true
lavish grove
Honestly I just think warden needs like, a more interesting 2 and he’d be fine
Like how Celeste shield silences when popped
Something like that
vast sandal
you pick someone who needs to perish and run after them, grab them by the neck and drag them out of their team, and pray you aren't dead afterwards
ivory reef
Honestly I just think warden needs like, a more interesting 2 and he’d be fine
I do wish he'd get the new model soon
vivid nimbus
Honestly I could see them "reworking" Warden's abilities to be more thematic by changing the ult windup animation to one where he chugs a super-potion
ivory reef
even more than vyper and yamato
earnest verge
I feel like I see every character reasonably frequently, maybe Shiv and Infernus are currently kinda unseen in my games
ivory reef
he's just, like, a tf2 soldier with some cop gear on
lavish grove
I do wish he'd get the new model soon
Oh yah the new model is a given I think
I’m just saying mechanically because that’s more up in the air if they’ll change it
But like half the cast needs new models
earnest verge
(Using the competitive nights for this is a really bad idea because there's some otherwise very popular and generally strong heroes who just don't show there at all for funny competitive draft reasons)
vast sandal
I just saw Shiv and Infernus last night, in the same game even
earnest verge
I guess I don't see Paradox much either
vivid nimbus
I was playing a 6v6 inhouse game yesterday with a strong Shiv player who dominated
earnest verge
yeah I've seen Infernus recently but not like, often. Feels like I used to see him and Shiv much more
lavish grove
Shiv is still crazy imo
lavish grove
Unkillable asshole with an execute is just sorta an inherently strong character
ivory reef
yup, right there in top row
man is literally shiv
the only reason I don't play him more is because i'm not sure he fits my pick style
vivid nimbus
IIRC Eido is a Shiv/Mina specialist with the ability to flex, so yeah
earnest verge
yeah
just kinda speaking from anecdote, which isn't very good data, but it is an anecdote from a near-median MMR player
dusky flume
Come to think, I don't think I've seen a Warden player (or at least, never directly fought one in a match)
earnest verge
(likely high-ritualist/low-emissary)
vast sandal
oh also I've been scoring more and more 3+-man stuns with Vortex Web > Cart as doorman and it's starting to go from "I don't know if I'm doing much for my team" to "I know what I'm doing for my team and it's evil"
somber creek
I realized I have no idea what Wardens full kit is
earnest verge
I feel like I see Wardens pretty frequently
lavish grove
Come to think, I don't think I've seen a Warden player (or at least, never direc...
I see them semi regularly
He’s rather strong
somber creek
Its flask, claw, ult
earnest verge
I realized I have no idea what Wardens full kit is
a lot of it feels kinda invisible in play but is definitely contributing to killing you
ivory reef
warden is game winning
lavish grove
I realized I have no idea what Wardens full kit is
Flask, shield, cuffs, cone of lifesteal
vast sandal
I realized I have no idea what Wardens full kit is
grenade, shield, crane game, Change Da World
vivid nimbus
Flask, self-barrier, claw, stand and fight
somber creek
He has a shield????
vast sandal
the crane game is cool
lavish grove
Yup
earnest verge
the ult and claw are very obvious, the flask and shield are not
lavish grove
A big one too
ivory reef
I was teaching @jaunty garden deadlock again and they were going through the heroes and when we came to warden they were like "is warden's ult still Win The Fight" and I said "yes"
vivid nimbus
Yeah his 2 is a self-barrier, with T1 it provides a speed buff
somber creek
Flask is pretty obvious since he goes ALCHEMICAL FLASK
vast sandal
im sorry but the bottle and the shield are absolutely honkshoo mimimi tier abilities
ivory reef
like you have to play around it so much because nobody is unkillable like an ulting warden
vast sandal
crane game is funny
earnest verge
yeah but flask is comparatively easy to miss in the chaos of a big fight
ivory reef
I do think warden is deepy boring yeah
earnest verge
whereas you can't really miss the claw or ult haha
ivory reef
shield + steroid ult is very boring to me yeah
it's wild that deadlock's skeleton king is more interesting
vivid nimbus
I like there being occasional boring guys TBH
ivory reef
I like there being occasional boring guys TBH
that's super fair
somber creek
Warden doesnt need a rework but he does uniquely at this point feel like he doesnt fit into the game
dusky flume
Warden isn't really appealing to me, tbh
vivid nimbus
He's like Captain Alchemist
lavish grove
I like there being occasional boring guys TBH
Yah, I think warden is boring but he’s an important guy for the game’s ecosystem
vast sandal
he doesn't NEED a rework
finite patrol
warden is old reliable
ivory reef
yeah he's just missing the juice
somber creek
No one has a single conversation with him
lavish grove
Some people like playing characters who just fight well
vast sandal
his voice otoh
vast sandal
is fucking brain chemistry altering
finite patrol
hes more in need of aesthetic huicing
ivory reef
mina / silver / celeste / rem etc are all so, like, characterful
lavish grove
He throws flasks, shoots you and wins
lavish grove
is fucking brain chemistry altering
STAND BEFORE ME AND DIE
vivid nimbus
No one has a single conversation with him
Well there's half-convos, but none of Warden's lines in them
ivory reef
even if mina's kit is very boring too
earnest verge
I do wonder if I might mechanically like Warden, it's just that he visually looks like... the world's most boring old-timey cop. he has all the (visual) rizz of a background character in a Tintin comic
lavish grove
also for the sake of all that is holy and sane WHAT IS THAT GUN
It’s so funny how serious he is for having the doohicky gun
vivid nimbus
also for the sake of all that is holy and sane WHAT IS THAT GUN
It's the Alchemical Doohickey
dusky flume
Mina's a more appealing character, though I feel I'm not that great with her
Could just be inexperience
vast sandal
okay I'm just saying like
finite patrol
gun that killed shinzo abe
jaunty garden
Hot vampire nobles are appealing, true.
vast sandal
it is a bizarre and incomprehensible take on the righteous bison
lavish grove
Warden ideally will have a full redesign too because rn he’s just using a scrapped character for his model and Kelvin for his animations
earnest verge
yeah he's slated for a redesign happily
vast sandal
Soldier raygun everyone thinks is wack
ivory reef
funniest mina reaction
lavish grove
The one thing I hope he keeps is the lack of eyes tbh
somber creek
I think the only character who needs an ability rework is Mirage
lavish grove
It feels very fitting for his alchemist judge dredd gimmick
ivory reef
I think the only character who needs an ability rework is Mirage
really? mirage is so interesting
jaunty garden
Awww, I love Mirage
vast sandal
anyways Warden's voice is fucking impeccable please give him visuals to match
ivory reef
I think he's one of the more interesting characters in the cast
I like him a lot
personality and kit wise
somber creek
He is character wise one of the coolest guys in the cast
ivory reef
if anything I'd buff his ult to make it just any point
lavish grove
I just wish scarabs were actually fun to hit
somber creek
Kit wise its all random shit and the worst feeling projectile in the game
vivid nimbus
Mirage needs better SFX on his abilities, both sound and graphics
jaunty garden
Mmm, scarabs do need better vibes.
lavish grove
Rn it feels like he’s throwing bar darts at people
jaunty garden
They're really strong but don't FEEL super strong
autumn field
Spirit Warden is incredibly fucking funny to me
lavish grove
Mirage needs better SFX on his abilities, both sound and graphics
Bring back his old voice
It was so funny
vast sandal
I had no idea there were fire scarabs getting thrown at me when it happened
I was like
lavish grove
FOR THE DJINN
autumn field
i once got a street brawl match where his flask had a 2 second CD
vast sandal
"huh? fuck was that?"
lavish grove
AUUUUUUUUUGH
astral lava
they gotta fix whatever thr lighting is doing to his face to make him look so ghoulish
autumn field
god fuckign dayum
vast sandal
took a moment to think