gotcha
#Deadlock
agile rune
I hear he's an asshole
vast sandal
it happened
I Wraithed all over them
I learned what I was missing on this character, which is that Wraith has one of the most aggro fucking guns in the game and you can just stand on the high ground and say "how about you sit under your tower and mald until ten minutes when I go looking for more farm"
glass flicker
They’re calling it the first wraith mvp in history
vast sandal
Marginally above-average Wraith teamfight contribution
agile rune
Wraith can poke really well in laning too
vast sandal
yeah I basically just squatted on the high ground, made them pay the troll toll to peak out and shoot minions any time they tried to do stuff, and nailed them with cards from behind their cover because cards are NLOS if you believe
vast sandal
imo much easier to bend it like beckham with cards
finite grotto
seeing poshy like throw the cards do be a sight to behold
vast sandal
nailing Mina in the back of the head with cards over and over was 
ivory reef
agile rune
you don't have to do a lot to accomplish a fair bit by poking as wraith in lane, so long as you have a decent partner to threaten the enemy if they try to push through the poke
vapid ember
DID SOMEONE DRAW FANART OF THIS INTERACTION???
we need to tierlist what each type of pony each deadlock character would be
agile rune
imo much easier to bend it like beckham with cards
true, but darts are better for catching someone actively dodging imo
vast sandal
thats fair
you can aim the dart where they are and then just bend it back around to hit where they went
agile rune
I'm glad wraith clicked for you, you seemed to enjoy her but couldn't get that list bit of value
vast sandal
magic missiles are brutal tbh
no yeah the thing I was missing is that Wraith absolutely doesn't have to be passive in lane, she's actually mad scary early then falls off midgame before coming online and becoming the lategame menace
vapid ember
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5NNyR7Nw_RI
damn that tracking is clean
someone hit the quake lightning gun 1v1s
agile rune
yeah and if you've got a good lane partner in midgame you taxing the opponent with poke can make them vulnerable
vast sandal
You make them pay the Wraith tax all lane and then you’re up souls, plus if you have a punchy, dive-oriented lane partner you can whittle them down and then have your partner come off the top rope with the peoples’ elbow
agile rune
when I'm playing billy I like having a wraith to lane with, drifter too but for different reasons
billy I can engage and tie the enemy up while wraith picks at them, while drifter burst damage on someone weakened by wraith can be clean
vast sandal
Mo and Krill is also a nasty partner for Wraith
agile rune
absolutely
more so for the early game, I don't think they'd cover midgame issues
but you can dominantely hold down lane with mo and krill
vast sandal
Yea but midgame you’re looking to start making an impact elsewhere on the map anyways
agile rune
true
I wonder if wraith would be good for the urn, given you can definitely use the extra souls and it's the part of the game where you're least impactful
vast sandal
You’re kinda just slurping up souls all the time anyways as Wraith but also she doesn’t have inherently great movement speed like Doorman or Paradox
Who are both premium urn runners imo
agile rune
yeah but they don't get a tonne out of the extra souls for depositing
vast sandal
That’s true
agile rune
they're good at running but they don't benefit from it most, if that makes sense
vast sandal
Nah I gotcha
My perspective with Paradox was that if my team isnt starting a fight and we have the map presence to run an urn, it’s the thing I can do to immediately benefit my team the most
just haul ass with your gajillion stamina and slamdunk the urn in
god Doorman is so fucking fast base
finite patrol
oh yeah
its funny cus I play Victor Venator Abrams Warden Kelvin who are the slowest heroes in the game and also Rem and Doorman who are two of the fastest
agile rune
yeah and like, it's always better to secure it, no matter who does it
frail jasper
finite grotto
I think lash will come in my hero rotation for sure
lavish grove
Chat, I know counter items are like
Key
But
Would you say that (assuming you’re with a team that communicates well) everyone needs to buy them, or just the supports?
Specifically for like, active counter items
Like disarming hex or cursed relic
Like, if you’re the Venator on your team do you think you should get disarming hex despite it being kinda terrible for you stat wise
vast sandal
Active counters like that are first and foremost what a support should be buying, but it’s everyone’s job to pitch in here and there
vapid ember
im really liking shiv but im not sure I feel confident enough in him to bring him into regular games
vast sandal
Everyone needs to consider Healbane if there’s an enemy Victor
lavish grove
Also by supports I mean like, anyone who’s not a carry
I shoulda said that instead
Like Doorman isn’t an active support but he’s not a carry either
finite grotto
Also for assassin and burst characters having like a lens or a slowing hex etc to secure kills is also gud
lavish grove
I’m just specifying because some define support as characters with actively supportive abilities
Like heals or buffs
Characters like Dynamo
vast sandal
This is DotA
Sometimes supports are guys who have a button that says “kill that guy”
lavish grove
I mean I come from a league background
So my idea of a support is just “the guy who follows around your main carry”
Which isn’t super applicable to this game
At least until lane roles become more defined with time
finite patrol
I think lash will come in my hero rotation for sure
pocket and lash? u got a type eh
get dat unicorn in der
frail jasper
Would you say that (assuming you’re with a team that communicates well) everyone...
Everyone should strongly consider buying relevant active items that help them secure kills, but support type characters have a very high priority on always getting them. Paige basically always wants Knockdown for example cuz it directly combos with her 3 for lots of stun/immobilize. Rem should basically always be 4-slotted for actives. But if there's a skilled Mina or Pocket on the enemy team, EVERYONE should be ready and willing to get a Slowing Hex just for them.
lavish grove
At least until lane roles become more defined with time
Speaking of I do really wonder what lanes will be for what
finite grotto
pocket and lash? u got a type eh
My current lineup is Pocket, Lash, Yamato, Haze and Billy
with seven, silver and bepop in the rotation if i feel like em
lavish grove
It’s only really a matter of time until they become more defined and we get more tools to actually control what lanes and characters we play
finite grotto
but if I dont feel like playing yamato i gotta get her out of prios cause is swear whenever I have her at high prio I get her
oh and I am slowly trying to learn viktor a bit more
hallow zenith
The benefit of playing with a friend who always plays Victor is that I never have to fight against Victor
Which dovetails nicely with the main drawback of playing with someone who always plays Victor
I have no idea how to fight the bastard
finite grotto
maybe i should try calico again i tried her when i first started and struggled hard
nut i have more experience now
finite grotto
Which dovetails nicely with the main drawback of playing with someone who always...
healbane in lane 😌
granite heath
hmmm
stable forum
secret
buying green items gives you flat max hp. Green item shop bonus is flat hp. is pretty good!
gaunt badger
they're making me pick 3 characters for street brawl when i barely know 1 😭
lavish shale
you gotta do that for all modes
gaunt badger
ah gotcha
lavish shale
for main game it's IIRC 4 heroes now, at least three non new
vast sandal
There’s a whole set of heroes you can basically always get if they’re max priority though
lavish shale
that too yeah
if you put one hero at max priority, you'll basically always get them unless they're banned or taken by another player
gaunt badger
gotcha!
mild flume
It’s only really a matter of time until they become more defined and we get more...
I think its more likely to end up closer to dota which is a lot more flexable lane wise than league is
it still has some conventions and such but its a lot more open
and the sidelanes themselves are relatively similar
agile rune
Support to me is anyone with an ult that guarantees a teamfight win, regardless of items
mild flume
I think having someone in the team that is like happy to buy knockdowns, divine barriers, etc is important
agile rune
like I think you could build drifter as a support forgoing stuff that works his usual damage strengths to more general supporting items and relying on them and his ult for value
mild flume
sometimes you just want them on the team, and that sorta means they usually have abilities that don't require specific stuff and can maybe work with a little less money
agile rune
and in doing so, needing to take less farm
basically supports are characters who can get a lot of value without having to take much money
mild flume
it has been done I think in comp games, ultbot drifter
agile rune
at least, this is how I understand it
like, rem for example, can be basically just as effective with a very low amount of souls as high
same with dynamo
mild flume
rem generally ends up quite rich
lavish shale
Deadlock is overall also much easier to get money in, compared to other MOBAs
earnest verge
and the sidelanes themselves are relatively similar
Yeah the big thing rn is where the first urn spawns afaik
mild flume
yeah that makes sense
lavish shale
Deadlock is overall also much easier to get money in, compared to other MOBAs
since most soul sources are shared just by being nearby
and you don't have stuff like wards
agile rune
rem generally ends up quite rich
yeah but I don't think needs to, it's sorta just a byproduct
mild flume
and pushing out lanes is both lucrative and like, needed for lots of people to do
gaunt badger
do y'all play multiple characters?
late hare
kinda want wards so I can keep that little rat out of my casinos
agile rune
I've got 2 I'm confident in
earnest verge
It's not really possible not to at least sometimes
agile rune
and a couple others I can if I have to
gaunt badger
late hare
vaguely competent with a handful of em
earnest verge
You need to select three to queue up, though you can choose which of them you want to have a higher priority
agile rune
I think it's a good idea to have at least 2, and have them function for different purposes but that's a personal take
finite patrol
I play eight characters rn
lavish shale
do y'all play multiple characters?
currently mostly one tricking Victor, because he's the only character I do okay on
agile rune
my mains are billy and drifter and they function very differently
mild flume
yeah but I don't think needs to, it's sorta just a byproduct
I think having some players that has big flexability in items is important too
late hare
I mean, you can't really account much for party comp, so I would say you could pick up both Graves and McG even if they do broadly similar things
mild flume
like you might need a knockdown and a disarm say
you probably don't want your mirage to have to buy them
agile rune
true true
mild flume
characters like rem, or etc can happily get that stuf
agile rune
I mean you can account for party comp if you play in a stack
late hare
it's not really like League where I can switch between locking in, say, Annie or Pantheon based on the AP/AD spread of my team comp
mild flume
but as such they are not gonna be quite as strong at the usual stuff they do
late hare
I mean you can account for party comp if you play in a stack
ah, fair
mild flume
yeah playing with randoms you have no control over comp
agile rune
it's not really like League where I can switch between locking in, say, Annie or...
true but in deadlock you can do that for a lot of characters with the items you build
mild flume
my general very loose understanding is that in comp games you have something like 2 frontliners, 1 carry, 1 pick, 1 support 1 flex
but its very like, broad compared to dota/league/etc
and you can't' really make that happen in pubs without a really organised 6 anyway
late hare
I'm still in low tier hell and it feels like a lot of my games are somewhat decided by who has the best frontline, yeah
mild flume
about as much you can do is a bit itemise around holes in the team
if your char supports it
late hare
putting aside my own inability to carry, it really does feel like a lot of my games are kinda won or lost on like. does everyone on my team know how the game (namely laning) and/or their character works
such is MOBAs, I suppose
finite patrol
you should come play with us some time!
gaunt badger
played a main mode match, that was fun! 
I should try some more characters if I have time
seeing a Dallas Payday mod for Abrams was the straw to get me to try the game
finite patrol
its a very fun game
if you want to play with other people here we have games on Wednesday nights EU+NA and Saturday Night EU/Saturday Afternoon NA
gaunt badger
this guy reminds me of Q from street fighter
agile rune
if you like abrams I have good news
agile rune
this guy reminds me of Q from street fighter
how so?
finite patrol
I can see it
gaunt badger
I'll see if I can make those times work definitely have a lot to learn hehe
don't think I've played a MOBA before
maybe 2 matches of pokemon unite (is that one)
agile rune
fair enough, though I always read infernus as more blue
gaunt badger
ah maybe
agile rune
pokemon unite is a moba but a pretty stripped back one
agile rune
deadlock is a moba with hero shooter characteristics so if you've got any overwatch or marvel rivals experience that is also applicable
gaunt badger
gotcha gotcha, I have a few hours in rivals
my aim's kinda shitty 
I don't play shooters much except Titanfall 2 Kraber
but I did look at some other heroes and maybe I'll try someone more melee or support
finite patrol
dont worry I have dota aim and I do fine
agile rune
almost all heroes require aiming to some degree but some of the shots are pretty forgiving
and when in doubt graves
ivory reef
yeah but they don't get a tonne out of the extra souls for depositing
Worth noting you can give the urn to someone else at the last moment
I've done this before
finite patrol
so many other vectors for skill expression in this game that even if your aim isnt hot you can still do very well
gaunt badger
almost all heroes require aiming to some degree but some of the shots are pretty...
yeah it wasn't too tight :D
agile rune
Worth noting you can give the urn to someone else at the last moment
I was thinking about that, it's a bit hard to plan but pulling it off is definitely nice
agile rune
yeah it wasn't too tight :D
shotgun gaming
gaunt badger
Worth noting you can give the urn to someone else at the last moment
that reminds me, i picked up an urn and put it down in the wrong place 4 times
agile rune
I think you'd like graves tbh
gaunt badger
I think you'd like graves tbh
i'll give her a try next time 
autumn field
area denial is kinda my thing
Yea that’s motherfucking pickle jar graves
You do not fight in the 15 meter radius around graves.
finite patrol
Does Haze have thunder thighs?
baggy pants
vestal hearth
Ah.
autumn field
That area will have % HP damage, spirit nukes, immobilize, and 600 targets to attack you
gaunt badger
:D
vestal hearth
We must give Haze the Makima effect.
agile rune
one thing I'm working on is counterbuilding
mild flume
yeah I'm still figuring it out, its a thing I'm real good at at dota but deadlock is quite a different beast
late hare
re; aiming -- my aim is pretty spotty at the best of times and I'm consistently working with <20 FPS while I'm on a Discord call with my team, but there's still a few characters that I can at least perform adequately with because they mostly don't (or at least don't need to) key off of their guns super hard
namely McGinnis, Graves, Viscous, Lady Geist, Dynamo
agile rune
geist can get out some massive damage off her gun, I will say
mild flume
the best for her is gun but I think at like random pub level spirit is fine
late hare
there's a chance I could pick up Victor, but low FPS makes timing his pulse and the like a bit of a tricky proposition
Maurice and Krilliam could be nice, didn't really click when I tried but maybe with practice
agile rune
rem also possibly an option
late hare
mhm
agile rune
I think in general having a pocket support is not a bad idea
pocket support or pocket tank
late hare
Paige and Kelvin would also fall into this, but they're both the kind of support that's just not quite as offensively oriented as someone like Dynamo
and I just don't really grok with that playstyle
agile rune
pocket as in in you back pocket, not like pocket the character
late hare
when I'm not in a group call and my ping's a little better, I can play a halfway decent Talon of all people
agile rune
just to be clear
dusky flume
I definitely see myself committing to being a Paige main, but I want at least one pocket option I can be consistent with
mild flume
Maurice and Krilliam could be nice, didn't really click when I tried but maybe w...
m+k I have had a lot of success with at pretty high ping
~250-300
I can give you a lot of tips if you are interested, definitely my best character
late hare
I think I just wasn't using Scourge enough
but any general advice would be appreciated
mild flume
uhh, scourge is not strictly required but its a pretty decent option
I play lane pretty passive until I get QSR and level 2 scorn
at that point you can trade and bully really hard with scorn
dive in pop it dive out
autumn field
honestly if silver exists we could probably get a true melee character
mild flume
I think going in and out is the way with m+k you ideally want to zoom in and out doing spin and whatever actives and scorn and then zooming out, and catching people you think your team can kill
in the midgame
agile rune
we could for sure carmen, I just think that we probably won't given how rough laning would be
late hare
gah I wanna play Silver so bad lmao
mild flume
I generally build on the defensive end
late hare
I've needed to upgrade my PC for a long time now, but Deadlock may be what finally tips me into doing it
mild flume
scorn works through walls is a big thing to know
and a lot of the laning and like hero in general is healing off it
trying to get lots of people with it to heal lots etc
mild flume
I can post it when I'm home
late hare
you got it boss
autumn field
i just got the easiest game ever
silver is a beast in street brawl the millisecond she gets t3 on her ult
mild flume
https://statlocker.gg/builds/build-lab/157419 I think I just use a bit of a varient on this
I'm not sure the monster rounds are always needed, nor arctic blast though its nice
agile rune
silver is a beast in street brawl the millisecond she gets t3 on her ult
is the pun here intentional
mild flume
I'm real big on reactive barrier on spirit chars, I generally don't go the full way to superior duration, just have it on ult
just a buncha little changes
I think the core build is good
and has good tooltips
dusky flume
Haven't played enough for statlocker to work yet. Ah, well.
mild flume
its just a build link
I don't really use the site for anything else and its not my build I just like, did some tweaks to this, and the creators annotations are very helpful
dusky flume
I was curious about the profile tracking feature
mild flume
yeah not sure how that works sorry
I generally found that stat tracking for me encouraged bad play patterns at least when I did dota
so I don't use them
lavish grove
Just had
The strangest game of deadlock I’ve ever had
Involving half of the enemy team turning friendly
Mid being declared a safe zone
And a seven with 72K souls
Who could 1v10 the server
Also someone rage quit after insisting they were Jewish to my friend
Who never denied they were
agile rune
did you win
lavish grove
Yes
frail jasper
"mutual agreement: midlane is now an RNG trooper preserve and you can't interfere unless it's coming into your base, no fighting permitted but movement is allowed"
agile rune
the goof troop
mild flume
Can I ask what your build looks like?
here is my variant
but idk probably better to use the one from the good player haha
autumn field
Imma be real I don’t know why some builds have a 3200 or 1600 as the first item
I’d imagine most people have at least 1-2 800s that are good for the build
frail jasper
In some cases it's powerful to rush a tier 3 item, especially if you're not in need of those lower tier items (simply outplaying your opponents for example). But there's a lot of tier 1 or 2 items that are really good and if you're not gonna snowball into an early tier 3 item then you gotta pick lower targets
Battle vest and enchanters emblem are both good 1600 items that bring a lot of value spike
earnest verge
some of them also do have some kind of build-up and it's not just shown, e.g. lifestrike has melee lifesteal as a 800 item
personally I find it's usually pretty obvious why a guide does this if it's a highly-rated one, though
some heroes just have good enough laning tools that they don't desperately need low-tier items to get the souls out of lane that they want
especially if you're playing carry-ish, where your job is to win the mid-to-long term soul efficiency curve through safe and efficient farm
autumn field
some of them also do have some kind of build-up and it's not just shown, e.g. li...
I find it obvious if you have lifestrike, esp since there’s a setting to queue the melee heal
Like on on a melee billy, makes total sense
But sometimes the first item is Tesla Rounds
On the Apollo build I use I believe it’s the 1600 extra spirit + extra healing, followed by healbane and surge of power
My Apollo build spikes so fucking hard at 6.8k it’s not even funny
earnest verge
yeah it's funny, there are some considerations like that
autumn field
Sorry. 7.7k
mild flume
Imma be real I don’t know why some builds have a 3200 or 1600 as the first item
in this case like
the important thing is getting damage on your scorn
it heals for damage done
which is huge
autumn field
This 7.7 spike is because you have 8 ability points which means if you build and fight well you can’t lose a 1v1
Since your full combo deals like 1400 damage right there
mild flume
you don't have the damage to trigger mystic burst on scorn until you hit level 2
autumn field
Gotcha
mild flume
so there is no point getting it until about 2.4k souls
so you might as well have the other best item, QSR earlier
you could go for like I guess extra spirit but you are not doing anything with it so it doesn't go anywhere
like the best 2.4k you can have is qsr + burst
so thats the reasoning there
autumn field
Gotcha gotcha
mild flume
can't speak to any specific other build
it is weird and you definitely have a huge spike up at 2.4 and have to play a bit more passively before then
autumn field
I distinctly recall a McGunnis build that called for Tesla as your first item
mild flume
but in practice you get 8k in the first wave so like, its not tooo long
I dunno if I'd do that lmao
autumn field
It did say you could build titanic against like, some characters
But I feel like it’d make a lot more sense to try to do Titanic, Intensifying, and Active Reload to hit a 4.8k
mild flume
I think a 3.2k first is wild and like I dunno
I think even a 1.6k in the first 2 needs like a pretty big justification
autumn field
I would get Surge as a first if you’re really popping off as Apollo
But that’s a “I got 3 kills right there and I farmed perfectly” scenario
Extra spirit, mystic burst, etc are much better options
Now that I think about it, Apollo deserved those nerfs
I’ve almost never had a “bad” game on Apollo
I might go behind, but not too much, I might not get kills but that’s mostly a skill issue
You basically need to space out your fights and you win
I think I’m big on mystic slow on Apollo, but enduring speed, etc would help, probably Juggernaut
frail jasper
I distinctly recall a McGunnis build that called for Tesla as your first item
Not as bad as what I do, which is 1-2 tier 1 items and then ricochet lol
Playing very defensively until then and suddenly bullet hosing everyone and everything, then using it to rapidly farm up things like slowing bullets + toxic bullets + inhibitor
Stamina mastery in the early middle ish
agile rune
Mcginnis is so strong in lane, and benefits so much from high tier items it almost makes sense to focus those high tier items on her
stable forum
Imma be real I don’t know why some builds have a 3200 or 1600 as the first item
in this case it's because Quicksilver Reload increases healing from Scorn
autumn field
noted
stable forum
lash often does something similar with flog
rich grove
some warden builds have qsr item 1 but im not convinced waiting for 2 ap to just buy mystic burst isnt better and you just buy qsr for magnum later
like yeah its poke damage but you could also just be buying monster rounds instead as a hero who kinda needs lane shoved
autumn field
i always get monster
nobody doesnt want monster early imo
it's gonna save you a lot of HP in early, and it's an 800 (cheap)
stable forum
some warden builds have qsr item 1 but im not convinced waiting for 2 ap to just...
yeah i don't like this but i buy Weird Stuff to be fair
i don't like mystic burst on Warden at all honestly though
autumn field
also
how do yall do your priorities on graves
mine is pickles -> t3 steal -> t3 pickles -> t3 ult -> t3 immobilize
rich grove
eh sometimes monster rounds giving you +25% of nothing results in +nothing benefit
quiet sapphire
mine is pickles -> t3 steal -> t3 pickles -> t3 ult -> t3 immobilize
i personally feel like t3 deadheads is worth more earlier
being able to quickly apply essence theft really helps
finite grotto
tried out calico
very fun but def somethign to get used to
tried out spirit calico and gonna try gun next
tacit field
fair enough, though I always read infernus as more blue
green abrams this green abrams that, it’s time for green infernus
agile void
tried out spirit calico and gonna try gun next
Important detail
slowing hex doesnt let you use ALL of your skills
besides bomb
agile void
or counterspell if you can predict it
people will probably throw it to you if they see you in cat form or when you leap
still unless they are oracle or higher I dont think people know that detail
merry verge
I know this because it's very nice to have the enemy Calico do nothing
reef mist
I have been playing support Paige and omg is it fun
stray arch
Paige and Rem are peak Deadlock right now
astral lava
repeatedly getting an awesome crash that requires the game to be fully redownloaded because it can't validate One file
bleak thicket
oof
finite patrol
the rat king...
finite patrol
you have to be attacking them with your gun
finite grotto
lash is so fun. Biggest thing I still have to get a better feel for is the ullt range for locking on
astral lava
repeatedly getting an awesome crash that requires the game to be fully redownloa...
Somehow still won the game after 6 minutes of this. Enemy team somehow hadn't taken a single walker
mint latch
If Valve finally foes some marketing for deadlock, which hero would yall think would be the face
severe loom
Abrams, Ivy, Bebop, Wraith, Infernus probably
Selfishly I would love if Dynamo was also in there but I think those 5 are the big ones with staying power that fit the aesthetic well
vast sandal
Geist
mint latch
Abrams, Ivy, Bebop, Wraith, Infernus probably
Hmm, Abrams and Ivy makes sense
mint latch
Yknow, I would have thought Seven
Thought he made quite the impression on most people
autumn field
Seven would go super hard in a Villain arc character
Imagine a fight scene where you watch a spirit seven counterspell a Wraith then hit them with the Phantom StrikE!
Also can I just say how much I love the design diversity of deadlock
dusky flume
repeatedly getting an awesome crash that requires the game to be fully redownloa...
fear unlocked
magic summit
The work begins.
bleak thicket
Wait how do you view the leaderboards :o
magic summit
Wait how do you view the leaderboards :o
Click your profile in the corner and click this button here
Oh you can't see my cursor
But "View Global Leaderboards" in the top right
tidal elm
"so, how's playing?"
Wouldn't know, every fight is a 10 second stun
also fun fact, never noticed how the tarots on the seer table are actually characters
finite grotto
OH
finite patrol
neat
autumn field
also fun fact, never noticed how the tarots on the seer table are actually chara...
Now I want a Deadlock deck
finite grotto
once you are locked green onto someone you can get the lash ult of them to try for more but you still pull em!
as long as they have still los of you ahhh
3 minutes into a game
4 pauses
agile void
finite patrol
oh my god deathy is cosplaying as silver on his stream
vivid nimbus
oh my god deathy is cosplaying as silver on his stream
Hell yeah, I remember him showing off the jacket
torn gulch
What is it, cosplay day?
merry verge
I believe it gets bigger on ziplines for some reason, I saw some postin bout it
lavish grove
Weird
finite patrol
tame jay
Will it Krill
vast sandal
alll righty chatroom
late hare
https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1rbud6h/ladies_and_gentlemen_w...
would not have pegged Rebb as a Sinclair player tbh
dunno what I would’ve guessed but I don’t think it’s that
vast sandal
now, the Seven player... he does have a lot of green items
late hare
honestly maybe Drifter
vast sandal
look at his item slots, that's a lot of green
but this is a Mo and Krill ult, they have as many seconds as his entire name to kill him
shy quiver
for context, that's the creative lead of Warframe
and VA of The Lotus
thanks space mom
vast sandal
I just realized that the black bars on the mask are supposed to be Sinclair's mustache
desert kelp
new person to both deadlock and mobas with a random question:
how in depth are the moba mechanics of deadlock compared to something like LOL or dota 2 (said knowing that LOL is generally considered simplified compared to dota2)
shy quiver
as someone who played LoL a lot and Deadlock a little, biggest piece of advice I can give is to be good at your aim
late hare
It’s reasonably simple imo
stable forum
new person to both deadlock and mobas with a random question:
how in depth are ...
they're not relatively simplified
shy quiver
but yeah its pretty simple
frail jasper
"moba mechanics" could mean a lot of things but overall it's not a complex formula
stable forum
the biggest thing is lasthitting being quite different?
lavish shale
new person to both deadlock and mobas with a random question:
how in depth are ...
you have about the same amount of item building and map macro IMO
late hare
Not too dissimilar from League in the broad strokes
stable forum
...hm, I guess the 'minimum floor' for Deadlock's mechanics are simpler?
like you don't need to secure souls to play the game
vs you do need to lasthit in League or Dota
frail jasper
- try not to lose (too much) in lane phase
- try to take objectives (guardians, walkers, urn, midboss, etc.)
- try to destroy the enemy
ancientpatron
vast sandal
what does in-depth mean in this scenario
shy quiver
also itemization is a lot more straightforward
finite patrol
it is just as involved a game as dota imo
simpler as a moba but the movement shooter aspects make up for it
stable forum
.>
the question was 'how in depth are the moba mechanics', not like, alll the mechanics or for advice or similar
finite patrol
I answered the question and expanded on it. dont >.> me lmao
stable forum
when one says 'moba mechanics' i assume they're talking about 'like league or dota' and not 'multiplayer online battle arena mechanics' because the latter includes PUBG
faiiir
I do agree that it's simpler as a moba for the most part. I think the cap for the moba mechanics are maaaybe similar to league or a bit higher? idk for sure, i've never actually gotten good at league
box runs & urn & stuff are a lil weird small optimizations which I don't think league has anything similar to?
desert kelp
the question was 'how in depth are the moba mechanics', not like, alll the mecha...
how in depth are the moba mechanics, the stuff it shares in common with LOL, DOTA, ect.
finite patrol
honestly I would say its maybe even more complex than league but I havent played league in a while. since in league the roles are more set than deadlock where you can be more fluid with your map position so that adds complexity. also you have more skills in deadlock by virtue of active items.
stable forum
yeaa, thank for clarifying, is what i figured.
finite patrol
Definitely less complex than dota
stable forum
definitely, yeah.
desert kelp
what makes dota more complex?
finite patrol
20 years of feature creep baby
autumn field
it feels a lot more like playing say, The Finals to me over say, Apex Legends
frail jasper
dota comes loaded with more myriad bullshit interactions between things, minute things that have bigger cumulative influences
stable forum
generally in Deadlock there is a last hitting equivalent but it's not required, there is jungling but no set roles or similar. I think at the skill floor, the stuff in it which is like league/dota is simpler than league/dota
but I think at the skill ceilling it's more in-between league & dota somewhere?
autumn field
Then again, The Finals does have a whole counter-play + macro meta that people need to master at the highest levels of play
stable forum
generally in Deadlock there is a last hitting equivalent but it's not required, ...
the biggest reason I say this is because of last hitting tbh
finite patrol
dota has, like, towers, watchers, Roshan which moves now, bounty Runes, outposts, tormentor, wisdom Runes, and bases as objectives. dota has jungle stacking wave cutting wave pulling camp blocking and warding as macro mechanics
frail jasper
nice
autumn field
nice
stable forum
deadlock just Does Not Have lasthitting at the skill floor. It has lasthitting somewhere above the skill floor, but like, lasthitting isn't required.
dusky flume
nice
finite patrol
deadlock has mid urn towers base camps and urn runs
autumn field
last hitting?
frail jasper
last hitting?
in dota/league you only get gold for being the one to actually kill a lane creep, deadlock it still drops/half floats or whatever even if a trooper or someone else kills it
desert kelp
dota has, like, towers, watchers, Roshan which moves now, bounty Runes, outposts...
so more more objectives and more ways to interact with waves and jungle camps?
finite patrol
yeah
league also has more objectives then deadlock but the way it stratifies roles makes it a lot simpler imo
frail jasper
in dota/league yes you must be the last-hit to kill a creep to get anything at all
in deadlock this is not necessary
stable forum
wait do you *have* to secure to get full gold
in league dota yes, you must secure
In Deadlock, no.
autumn field
whew
finite patrol
or do you get it automatically
in deadlock you get like 75% from the floorb and 25% from secure. it can also just float up
you can get no souls if you get denied and you can't get the floorb tho
frail jasper
there's VALUE in doing this in deadlock because if you MELEE LAST-HIT it automatically secures the floaty-souls so enemies can't shoot those
but its' not required
stable forum
in league dota yes, you must secure
In Deadlock, no.
again, this is the biggest reason why i say 'the moba mechanics at the skill floor are simpler than league of legends'
but idk for sure
frail jasper
"moba mechanics" is too broad a term to generalize with anyway
stable forum
oh right the other reason why Dota is more complex than League moba-mechanics wise is the whole 'you may control more than one unit in DOTA 2'
finite patrol
its an odd question
frail jasper
gotta blow up the patron in their base
gotta blow up the shrines to do that
gotta get through the base guardian(s) to do that
gotta get through the walker(s) to do that
gotta get through the guardian(s) to do that
all the while the enemy team is trying to make you not do any of that if they can help it
stable forum
it would be very funny if they implement meepo deadlock
frail jasper
connect player 2 controller to your PC
stable forum
flip between various first person perspectives of where all of you are repeatedly
clearly Deadlock isn't enough information overload
we need more
(you can sort of experience this in the game already by pushing f1-f5 to view things from the perspective of your allies)
dusky flume
I've seen someone play Deadlock with a gamepad and keyboard simultaneously. I've just been like "huh"
stable forum
...tbh a lot of why I like deadlock might be because it's a moba-ish game where I don't have to last hit things
unless i'm playing Vindicta a
or Silver I guess.
agile void
honestly I like the idea of this mod
frail jasper
iirc unicorns are supposed to be cloven-hooved anyway so it's less wrong than it could've been
stable forum
is pretty i think
...she would paint her hooves.
late hare
unless i'm playing Vindicta *a*
or Silver I guess.
Mr. Talon and Maurice + Krilliam also do this
well, Krill just needs them to be in his combo
lavish shale
there seems to be some grace period for the owl too
if they die shortly after you hit them
frail jasper
you could totally play mo&krill with a steering wheel and pedal setup
and yes there's a "within X seconds" grace period for both M&K and grey talon
To get a "Spirit Power Per Kill" stack, the enemy has to die within 3s after getting hit.
If they die during, or within 3 seconds of Combo ending, you permanently gain max health.
stable forum
well, Krill just needs them to be in his combo
combo has like 5s grace, owl has a bunch of grace too
frail jasper
it's 3s for both as I just posted
stable forum
i seee
desert kelp
i hope in the final game they add some sort of bar/circle to show ammo status instead of just a number becasue i find the number not being as easy to intuit instantly as i would like
i also kinda wish they would place the health bar above your cooldowns so its less places your eyes have to look, but i think that could also make it harder to read if you have so many peices of information close together like that (health + all 4 cooldowns)
autumn field
something i learned is i need to seriously practice knowing how/when to fight
frail jasper
that's a good thing to learn and practice
autumn field
i just got a silver street brawl with ALL GREEN AND PURPLE
frail jasper
woo spirit silver
autumn field
just tried abrams
he feels... very unfun to play against
well, he is unfun for me
just the whole stun + never fucking dies + aoe damage
frail jasper
Abrams has a very straightforward kit and style, with a fairly low skill floor and ceiling because it Just Works
somber creek
Abrams is also apparently really jacked this patch numbers wise
stable forum
abrams secretly has a moderately high skill ceiling where he oneshots you with a fighting game combo
but afaik nobody does that.
earnest verge
what, 2 heavy melee echo 2 heavy melee? (with duration extender in case the target has debuff reduction)
agile rune
imo most of the skill expression in deadlock is tactical not mechanical
earnest verge
everyone does that ime
sometimes they miss one of the 2:s and that makes it a lot more survivable, though
hallow zenith
Huh
I hadn't thought of that
I just heavy melee and then headshot and that's worked pretty well so far
hallow zenith
what, 2 heavy melee echo 2 heavy melee? (with duration extender in case the targ...
📝
frail jasper
Echo shard shoulder charge is indeed brutal
hallow zenith
(I think I didn't ping with that I'm sorry if I accidentally did)
stable forum
what, 2 heavy melee echo 2 heavy melee? (with duration extender in case the targ...
with shots rolled in and perhaps also express shot or similar
earnest verge
yeah, and typically you have one of those items procs bullet resist shred on doing spirit damage, which makes your melee hit harder
earnest verge
well, it's not exactly hard
stable forum
i feel it's hard but perhaps I am just bad >.>
I looked at it a bunch and went 'nah am not bother'
frail jasper
Don't follow the charge with heavy melee until you have t2 charge (the stun doesn't last long enough and they can parry you) so do a light melee until then
earnest verge
yeah
(and there's a bit of a gotcha if you get too predictable and they pick up a debuff reducer before you get a duration extender, so be wary of that)
earnest verge
imo most of the skill expression in deadlock is tactical not mechanical
There's definitely a lot of skill expression in movement, mind
you can survive so much more shit and do so much more damage if you're always in the right position for it
agile rune
I think I still hold to my statement
stable forum
mostly it was just the input sequence for it which I didn't want to bother with.
earnest verge
mm, the movement definitely ties into the tactical aspect a lot
frail jasper
Rebuttal wins
autumn field
(rebuttal + riposte combo)
also
whats really funny is i learned how to condition parries into my enemies
like i started heavy melee spamming against a graves
and then i stopped cuz i went into 3 spam
which resulted in the graves just taking 400 damage free
terse aspen
imo most of the skill expression in deadlock is tactical not mechanical
There is definitely a mechanical skill floor to clear first though
I don't think I've actually landed a parry yet, although I also can't think of a time when I'm confident that someone hit me with a heavy melee
rich grove
i had to get back into seriously aim training to even be remotely functional at this game, but you could consider this more of me being bad than the game having a high skill floor
hallow zenith
I struggle with landing parries unless it becomes a pattern
I still enter panic mode a little when I get into fights
agile rune
understandable, a way around this is to be the one initiating
rich grove
as an m1 spammer your targets are gonna be flailing around at Overwatch levels of speed, and headshot % really really fucking matters on some characters like infernus/mina
hallow zenith
understandable, a way around this is to be the one initiating
Yeah I tend to be better when I initiate, especially a few fights in when I kinda start getting how the other people fight
rich grove
add in Apex style bullet drop calcs and it's pretty crazy how big the aim diff can be
Zerggy's tracking sickens me, it's so fucking clean especially when he's tracking falling/rising targets
gnarly mechanics
lavish shale
my aim is absolutely garbage, so I just avoid anything that requires it as much as I can
hallow zenith
i had to get back into seriously aim training to even be remotely functional at ...
Do you have any suggestions for that?
The aim training
rich grove
oh man haha. I run through the viscose benchmarks on kovaaks but I'm really not very studied in terms of the ~theory~
but viscose is a lovely and generally reliable source on this stuff and you can just watch her gameplay to get an idea of how nuts she is
autumn field
slowing bullets are quite nice to have
dusky flume
Something tells me I might like McGinnis, mostly because of this one player I had in a match who just mowed people down effortlessly
autumn field
also i have a weird issue
if i do well early in lane
i fall behind faster for some reason
hmmm
express shots 6400 upgrade where ADSing for a while grants invis, doubleshot, and whatnot on your next attack
stable forum
i had to get back into seriously aim training to even be remotely functional at ...
me on my way to have a 30% hitrate on vindicta's assassinate (I am in an Ascendant lobby)
autumn field
i wonder exactly why an apollo ult that deals 1k damage is so strong when his 3 deals 1500
like, considered too strong
the doorman/bebop who deals the same with their 1/2:
desert kelp
damm vyper has the best dps in the game by a wide margin.
well thats a lie considering you have damage affecting passives for ppl like infernus/haze.
but considering pure gun damage its vyper by a lot.
autumn field
i know its a massive aoe w/ curse + slow
vast sandal
i fall behind faster for some reason
less desperate to go harvest the rice and catch up
autumn field
no like im trying to do everything all the same
i go out get kills
farm a bit
but it's just harder for some reaosn
late hare
ayyy
previously my Seven performance has been a bit lacking but building him around the ball was much better
agile rune
balling out
lavish shale
I wanna like Infernus, but I just don't really vibe with his kit
mild flume
nice
rich grove
57 minute game my team tossed repeatedly and then i had to go and get a bunch of pickoffs 1vX for fun
mild flume
haha
vast sandal
cool short summary of how to schmoove
gonna have to practice this stuff in games but this definitely felt like a very straightforward summary of the things you can be doing on any character to be running urns like 8x faster
frail jasper
2 for 2 of being a dead-weight drifter on my team, feels bad :(
alas I can't get better at him without sucking at him first
maybe if I stopped laning into close-quarters lane bullies or rems
the first step to drifter recovery is recognizing that you missed the window and now you're relegated to support drifter who buys all the knockdown and slowing hex type things for the team
vast sandal
tbh as Drifter you can just tell your lane partner you're gonna waddle off for a moment and go early-gank someone else's lane to get those sweet juicy kills to get the ball rolling
you benefit from it a lot and your team gets to win a lane for free
obviously there's nuance to it but if there's a lane nearby with some enemies who have just been thugging it out through pokes at low health hanging on by the heal trooper orbs, that's a prime target for you to Drift all over
agile rune
I think the important thing as drifter to realise is you're not a hard carry
unless you have an unrivalled early game
you're a midgame menace
your job is to have people jumping at shadows and running scared so your team can secure map presence
though, tbf, I also struggle with drifter sometimes so maybe not the best advice giver
vast sandal
tbh that's like, a lot of characters who don't roll some crazy self-synergy engine hybrid shit
vast sandal
the truly hard carry carries are the motherfuckers who are buying Ballistic Enchant and Bullet Resist Shredder and all that arcane back and forth bullet-mystic synergy horseshit that explodes you when they even look at you
agile rune
there's few dedicated carries
vast sandal
if Wraith is looking right at you and she has 40k souls worth of items in her pocket your lifespan is rapidly approaching 0
vast sandal
she is yeah I was just waxing hyperbolic about how the hard carry characters are terrifying and also kinda reliant on having a lot of weird items that feed into each other
agile rune
I'm wondering if the team comps I'm used to from hero shooters have any usability for deadlock (poke, dive, brawl)
agile rune
she is yeah I was just waxing hyperbolic about how the hard carry characters are...
weird items or skills that go wacky on it with levels
or both
vast sandal
a lot of the new heroes are midgame menace types actually
agile rune
most of the heroes in the game are
vast sandal
anyone can be a midgame menace of some variety, unless they're a support, then they're a support and they're going to be roughly equally vile no matter what minute it is, with variance in which utility items their kit pops off with the hardest
agile rune
yep, that's what makes them a support
midgame menace is a semi-joking term my friend group have used to describe characters that power spike before the hard carries but do not reach the heights they do
basically excludes supports and tank types
vast sandal
nah yeah I know who you're talking about
Apollo, Celeste, and Silver are all firmly in the midgame menace category by my reckoning
they power spike somewhere after laning phase and before "fuck it just run it down mid and kill them all" phase where the damage carries finish charging up DBZ style and fire a Galick Gun straight down the lane and into your Patron instantly killing it
agile rune
calico, drifter, GT, Sinclair, Vindicta, all fit the bill as well imo
mirage too probably
I think part of being a midgame menace is also the ability to be threatening across lots of the map during that post laning phase
vast sandal
also pure m1 damage enjoyers
haze and venator tend to hit a really hard power spike when the good bullet items roll in and then either keep the momentum if your team cannot into counterbuy or get really fucked up because everyone paid the bullet tax to stop having enough holes in them to see daylight on the other side
autumn field
right now as Apollo i usually get 1.0 KDR
agile rune
then they pivot to support stuff, status infliction and useful support actives
autumn field
which is a lot better than before where i was always 2/16 or someshit
i do wanna get closer to like, 16/8 eventually
vast sandal
yeah if you're getting countered as an M1 enjoyer you just buy the support gunner items and enjoy your life as a secondary damage source who applies Da Stink
agile rune
luna knows as a wraith main
vast sandal
toxic bullets my beloved
vast sandal
wraith's funny because even if they do buy metal skin I just press the 3 button and cast bullet instead of merely shooting them
agile rune
right now as Apollo i usually get 1.0 KDR
kdr is nice but remember, you can have really impactful actions that won't effect that on the scoreboard at all
autumn field
yeah sometimes i hit a really good itani lo sahn that brings 3 people to 50 hp
then i die to the walker or something
i wanna win more engagements and do so better
agile rune
try coordinating with your team, apollo is annoyingly mobile and if you're making a push with a teammate you can draw a lot of aggro for them to unleash hell
vast sandal
get torment pulse and radiant regeneration 👍
autumn field
sadly im at the "people dont comm" level of elo
vast sandal
Apollo is a mobile bruiser like Yamato, so items that improve your Spirit damage and also make you tankier are very good for Apollo
like annoyingly so lmao
autumn field
yuh my standard is 50/50 green + spirit
i think my core spirit is surge of power, tankbuster, torment pulse, boundless
agile rune
sadly im at the "people dont comm" level of elo
you can be the change you want to see in the world
autumn field
and then green is spellbreaker (or witchmail if its abrams), spirit/bullet resil, dispel magic
considering adding warp stone into it
vast sandal
other'n that idk get some cheeky Spirit Snatch melees in the mix between your cooldowns if you wanna
that's some fucking DAMAGE for your damage
and you're already in their face
agile rune
and you're mobile enough to get out of their face
vast sandal
actually spirit snatch kinda schnasty as apollo huh
autumn field
like
smacking people with the 500 damage, healing for 250 off it
and thats per strike
vast sandal
I'd be looking for an Infuser as Apollo no
autumn field
apollo can use it well, yes
autumn field
like
but this is superior as a spike item
if you're playing him more assassin-y nukey, you wont need infuser imo
there's also a lot of anti-heal in this game so
also, btw
dont haze ult an apollo if you didnt get the sneak on em
they can just press 2 to delete you
vast sandal
that's true of like every ult in the game actually
you just can't throw stuff at Apollo until his riposte is down
agile rune
you just can't throw stuff at Apollo until his riposte is down
or he's stunned
autumn field
but haze is the single easiest to counter
vast sandal
or he's cursed
agile rune
basically: jump him
vast sandal
I want that twink's head on a platter
agile rune
you would
autumn field
a paradox in one of my games once said
"Apollo is just helsing if he was a twink" or something
frail jasper
drifter game won, the streak is broken
autumn field
wait no hellboy i think
agile rune
wait no hellboy i think
this is racism against ixians
tidal elm
I believe Abrams is very much Hellboy coded
agile rune
not coded, my guy is just hellboy
tidal elm
He do be Just Hellboy
Down to the weapon
agile rune
no big hand but like, he functions like I'd expect hellboy to
rich grove
gran and alt and I played deadlock with a guy who was basically a walking talking Dota Plus subscription for Deadlock
agile rune
what
rich grove
he would remind everyone when it was 30s to buffs on the second and he would comm enemy locations well enough to find them through a hypothetical drifter fog
we weren't actually fighting a drifter but it was genuinely impressive how often he would remind us of various timers and comm important details mid-fight
top-fragged and everything too
agile rune
what is dota plus
rich grove
@mild flume can you explain to the younglings when you had to pay for rosh timers
frail jasper
what is dota plus
Paid subscription for dota that gives you lots of helpful prompts like when to stack neutral camps and even what direction to pull them
But yeah having someone remind the team about important timings is nice. I try to do 2 minutes (first camps and boxes), 5 minutes (first bridge buffs), and 8 minutes (first sinners and second camps)
undone galleon
i need to find the northernlion of deadlock youtube
tidal elm
You a Cod killstreak as a teammate
earnest verge
i feel like the icon to indicate who was speaking on voice in-game just wasn't popping up for some reason
undone galleon
it was like we had a recon satellite in some fights
deadlock but w/ good comms
tidal elm
satellite going up
rich grove
he was playing vindicta like a cod uav it was ridiculous
agile rune
i need to find the northernlion of deadlock youtube
northerlion could be this
undone galleon
lmao
rich grove
dude was a beast
undone galleon
northerlion could be this
unfortunately he is too old for deadlock gameplay
rich grove
and then i looked at the fucking post game breakdown
earnest verge
i'm not sure northernlion is cut out for competitive multiplayer games
rich grove
undone galleon
like he genuinely gets overwhelmed its so funny
rich grove
WHAT DO YOU MEAN RU WAS OUR VINDICTA
earnest verge
haha
undone galleon
i'm not sure northernlion is cut out for competitive multiplayer games
i mean hes been on cs2 for a while
frail jasper
I really love when I glimpse an enemy coming in towards a fight, i say "LEFT LEFT INCOMING" and we all pivot and instantly kill whoever thought they were getting an easy gank
earnest verge
is he... good?
undone galleon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/438148957877567499/1475429785260785684/D3...
lmaooo
undone galleon
is he... good?
very rarely
rich grove
is he... good?
agile rune
i'm not sure northernlion is cut out for competitive multiplayer games
have you seen him play duck game
undone galleon
but u can rly tell the difference between him on cs & him on deadlock
bc he visibly could not keep up w/ a deadlock match
rich grove
this image fucking fries me every single time i see it
undone galleon
he legit stopped buying nades after realizing how bad he is w/ em
earnest verge
this image fucking fries me every single time i see it
not as much as it fried nl to throw those nades
earnest verge
yes, it was pretty funny
undone galleon
that does immensely track for ru
agile rune
Ru would play vindicta
rich grove
ru Is vindicta
undone galleon
vindicta if she was more evil
tidal elm
Vindicta if she had an AWP
agile rune
it does not pay to mythologise our enemy (Ru)
undone galleon
mild flume
<@175103370120527872> can you explain to the younglings when you had to pay for ...
augh
rosh timers are easy
you ping the clock when rosh dies
and do math
🙂
ivory reef
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/438148957877567499/1475429785260785684/D3...
@stiff rock
agile rune
I already pinged her about it in mod lounge, asking if it was her
before I knew the rest of the story
ivory reef
Lmao
still swan
She's low-key evil
agile rune
Ru? nothing low key about it
plain furnace
Is "high key" a real expression ?
agile rune
yes
shy quiver
does anyone have the edit of the Hidden King's theme but it goes like
yeah yeah I'm the hidden king
yeah yeah do my bidding
mossy pine
undone galleon
i need an archmother version
undone galleon
what is that audio mixing christ
i do think archmothers beat is harder to rap on by being much more subdued & imposing-sounding
u need like, kendrick opening euphoria style flow
gray otter
the archmother one also doesnt have the single greatest first line ever recorded
("im lowkey evilllll...")
edgy fog
Did you know, if you have Torment Pulse on Rem, and the person you jump to has Torment Pulse, you both torment pulse an enemy at the same time
vivid nimbus
plain furnace
"Attack them. If they're too far, charge THEN Attack then. If they're too far, DUNK."
This flowchart is a bit too complicated for my taste /s
warm sonnet
1, 2 if they're far away, 4 if they're farer away
plain furnace
"You sure you wanna flee ? Sad, I will have to DUNK"
gray otter
https://bsky.app/profile/bleakvision.info/post/3mfakkn37qs23
i love these wtf
are there more
vivid nimbus
Not currently, but OP indicated they might be planning more?
autumn field
Heads up this passive goes on a 6.25s cooldown
am aware, it's core on the lategame of the build i use
and it's really fucking nice to have
ivory reef
and thats *per strike*
right but it's not per strike
the extra lifesteal goes on cooldown while you do strike 2 and 3
if you delay long enough you can maybe get the lifesteal off of strike 3
autumn field
you only need to delay about 2~ seconds for the 3 but yeah point taken
vestal hearth
https://bsky.app/profile/bleakvision.info/post/3mfakkn37qs23
Does he really just walk at people?
earnest verge
Does he really just walk at people?
if he wants to die in two seconds and achieve nothing, sure
ivory reef
real abrams play is you play like a human pilebunker
earnest verge
movement is not optional in Deadlock
granite heath
thresh I'm older than you
are you actually?
earnest verge
it's the core mechanical skill of the game. The better you move, the less damage you'll take, the more damage you'll do, the more souls you'll get, the more stuff you'll get done and the less your enemies will get done
in this game that is about margins, movement is the mechanic that impacts every margin
autumn field
just saw the post
this is definitely how it feels to play against abrams in street brawl
abrams is fucking scary
actually
does abrams build scourge
vivid nimbus
The meme is sorta like the lane Abrams experience but once you're in midgame he wants to be able to teleport into your face and stuff
final osprey
I think ideally you'd have a support buying scourge for you but if you need spirit res for you and your team you may as well
autumn field
yeah i expect a good abrams will have arcane surge, warp stone, etc
vivid nimbus
Warp stone and phantom strike
autumn field
and fucking phantom strike lmao
finite grotto
I just got disarmed 4 times in a row in a fight as silver 😭
autumn field
also, on abrams, i realize you can counter his 1 really fucking hard with witchmail + healbane or so on
vivid nimbus
I just got disarmed 4 times in a row in a fight as silver 😭
MnK sand + hex + sand again + second hex?
finite grotto
really need to get unstoipaable
earnest verge
People are getting better at figuring out how much of a one-trick Silver is, it's pretty funny
finite grotto
MnK sand + hex + sand again + second hex?
:c
earnest verge
It is, of course, a pretty good trick
vivid nimbus
Ah, three hexes and curse
finite grotto
yeee
the more i play silver the more i def feel like she isnt my character. I love bruiser/brawly characters usually beside burst ones but i dunno
also holy fuck this game was the drifter show
native pond
bite marks indeed.
agile void
Having 200 matches as abrams
I can say that in early game, you kind of play like an assasin
until you get your whole kit out you are better off soaking the damage or try to heal it off your 3
once you have your 2 and 1 out you can actually harass people
if you get a kill before, is because the enemy got cocky or your lane partner set it up nicely
the only times he is able to just walk forward and punch your shit is if he is fed or with a significant soul advantage over you
he is a streamer that kind of one tricks abrams, toxic, but still the clips themselves work well
finite patrol
just minding your own business and then all of the sudden youre penis level getting cold as fuck deep
autumn field
I need that jjk casual asf parry meme but with Apollo and Riposte
severe loom
just minding your own business and then all of the sudden youre penis level gett...
Call that bitch the matrix cause you're in fucking deep and you can't get out?
That's the dracula flow bit, right?
finite patrol
That's the dracula flow bit, right?
severe loom
Oh lmao that is better
astral lava
so tough to remember to actually wall jump around. like oh yeah I dont jave to slowly walk everywhere (still doesnt do it)
vast sandal
one. hundred. THOUSAND SOULS!
finite grotto
no one except me bought cursed relic or any other counter items
vast sandal
pricemaster looking ahh sinclair
finite patrol
FUCKING 100K SOULS TROPHY COLLECTOR WHAT THE FUCK
finite grotto
he legit had i think 95% of enemy kills
finite patrol
there has GOT to be a better tier 4
vast sandal
he needs the passive soul income
finite patrol
stonksclair
lavish shale
he needs the passive soul income
That 320 health and 16% range is critical clearly
median lantern
One Sinclairillion souls!
finite patrol
echo shard or vortex web hex are right there. divine barrier! cheat death! diviners kevlar! argh!!
finite grotto
i also palyed like this
vivid nimbus
there has GOT to be a better tier 4
Once it's fully stacked it's worth keeping, even ignoring the income. 16% range, 320 health, 4.4 m/s sprint speed
finite grotto
i figured out that come i am horrible at drifter
vivid nimbus
I'd actually consider replacing sup duration with either diviner's or magic carpet once turbo-rich, since it's less duration but they give other useful stats
finite grotto
he zoomed around atl ightspeed ye
impossible to catch withj the switch
and no one wanted to buy any counte ritems :c
finite patrol
Once it's fully stacked it's worth keeping, even ignoring the income. 16% range,...
I think all of the stuff i listed is better than that pile of stats. just more specialized. magic carpet also a good option!
candid horizon
32 and 1 is diabolical
finite patrol
it was 6v6 cus Sinclair is 2 people
vivid nimbus
it was 6v6 cus Sinclair is 2 people
Usually Sinclair suffers because the two people have to share one income, but here each of them had 16 kills so they did fine 
desert kelp
what exactly is paige's deal
like i've heard her described as a hard support but her kit seems to be a mix of random good stuff.
1-damage
2-defense and fire rate for allies
3-damage and immoblize
4-healing+push tool
magic summit
She's very good at buying counter items
finite patrol
Usually Sinclair suffers because the two people have to share one income, but he...
Yeah 50k souls per hero is very good
magic summit
Since she stays back and locks people down
desert kelp
like i've heard her described as a hard support but her kit seems to be a mix of...
sorta like dynamo but dynamo at least has 2 supportive non ult abilities.
finite patrol
the 1 is more of an area control spell than a damage spell in practice
its hard to hit but its easy to block an area off with it
the root is kinda similar, but you buy knockdown to make it unavoidable
desert kelp
that actually makes sense considering the games ive plated, good point
magic summit
Its hard to fit counter items into some builds because a lot of people have things they need to function
But Paige doesnt, really
merry verge
Paige makes me want an antishield item
finite patrol
yeah her skills all get the job done
vivid nimbus
A big AOE immobilize is a big help to the team, even with the delay it's disruptive as enemies try to scramble out of it
merry verge
Ostensibly the creature has low health
finite patrol
Paige makes me want an antishield item
just play ven!
pure damage ignores barriers
magic summit
Which frees her up to buy, say, Cursed Relic or Rescue Beam easier than others
finite patrol
im sure there will be more. the lure of pure damage is irresistible
merry verge
Gimme an aggressive dispel magic
finite patrol
every doter starts off with very little pure damage and slowly adds more and more
merry verge
Where's Purge
magic summit
Euls
merry verge
That removes debuffs?
magic summit
Yes
vivid nimbus
Cursed relic removes non-ultimate buffs
finite patrol
Curse removes buffs
magic summit
It makes the Billy want to die
merry verge
Ahh
finite patrol
used to be capacitor
merry verge
A less boring item then /nod
finite patrol
curse is very exciting
its the only item in the game that says FUCK you in particular, fuck YOU in particular, AND fuck you in particular and thats awesome
vivid nimbus
I mean... Focus Lens also exists
Lens doesn't interrupt or disarm, but on top of the silence it's also "yeah and take a bunch more damage"
vivid nimbus
It does "more damage" twice, one is the resist debuff and one is the damage repeat
dusky flume
its the only item in the game that says FUCK you in particular, fuck YOU in part...
So, it's the one item for when you absolutely, positively, need to kill a motherfucker?
autumn field
Refresher Rem is horrifying
rich grove
I GOT ONE MORE IN ME
warm sonnet
Second nyquil bottle
still swan
Almost as funny as refresher Doorman
edgy fog
Not surprising but we won off that push
also that's refresher/lightning scroll rem
Chaining the CC like I'm knitting deathmasks
vast sandal
This is what the Troubadour did in Macomb
agile rune
frail support troubadour, please
vast sandal
I wonder why the monicker
agile rune
that's known, he's a travelling musician
finite patrol
you play a show and someone keeps ending up dead
not my fault the pit is so frenzied
frail jasper
He's so prolific even the Drifter is like "no thanks I'm not interested in that kind of psychopathy"
vast sandal
Need a Freeshooter / Seven Cursed Bullets type hero for Deadlock
It would go super hard
mystic breach
Deadlock's first friendly fire-enabled hero
finite patrol
I do kinda want a hero that can deny allies or themselves
someone said "let cultsac do that" to which I say No
frail jasper
someone said "let cultsac do that" to which I say No
finite patrol
AHHHHHH
astral lava
valve please make heavy melee hitbox make any logical sense
i should not be flying above a guy, never even touching the ground near him to get latency'd, and then get hit by his heavy melee
also should i not be bothering with toxic bullets on vyper. on the one hand she shoots a lot on the other 5% buildup is so small
vast sandal
Anyone know how Ricochet interacts with Viscous and Yamato’s altfires?
agile rune
I didn't even know yamato could get ricochet
finite grotto
I finall reached late late game with Geist
Spellslinger is just the item for her 😌
frail jasper
Spellslinger + Berserker is the way to go, it is (and has been for a while) gun Geist season