Buckingham Palace
The Lich Queen of England vs The Ghost of King Arthur
#Deadlock
warm sonnet
lavish grove
It’s such a good video
undone galleon
everytime i think abt it i just cant stop laughing
vernal parcel
Buckingham Palace
The Lich Queen of England vs The Ghost of King Arthur
Honestly this and the Vatican sounds dope aesthetically not gonna lie
warm sonnet
What can I say
I'm Yoshi
Payload maps
Gotta deliver the Stone to the Sword so they can release the Lich Queen
undone galleon
give me whatever the fuck they did w/ st petersburg
warm sonnet
Fucking Rasputin
vernal parcel
*Payload maps*
Gotta deliver the Stone to the Sword so they can release the Lich...
The shop being a small bargaining place near the lady of the lake
undone galleon
rasputin vs the bolsheviks
lavish grove
Legitimately I do really want some gamemodes that use other maps
undone galleon
id be rly shocked if they dont do other maps
also i should try to boot up deadlock again to see if the laptops adjusted to what the actual battle mode is like
cuz christ did it lag
mb i can borrow the actual family pc upstairs,,
lavish grove
Nice
warm sonnet
St Petersburg
The Broken Wheel (Industrial Progressiveness) vs The Iron Prince (Cultivated Authoritarianism)
astral lava
theyve got a ghost queen there
warm sonnet
Well, the Patrons aren't intrinsically tied to governing in Deadlock afaik.
and these may be non-monarchial patrons trying to wrest control
undone galleon
yea the patrons r specifically Guys Coming From Outside
tacit field
he does seem to have, not so much a soft spot, as an appreciation of talent and wanting to let that blossom. that’s about as close as he gets tho
lavish grove
Yah
warm sonnet
Seven's Priorities:
Fulfill Ambition
Kill Kelvin
Avoid the Feds
Encourage the Youth
lavish grove
Seven wants people with potential to realize it
Even if realizing it to him normally just means becoming a magical monster willing to do anything for your own goals
And like, Rem is a child right now but presumably he’ll grow
warm sonnet
He also values goals which gain you something more over sustaining what you enjoy
Since potential to him, is the ability to get more in some way. More knowledge, skill, power, progress even. But if you're happy where you are, he'd critize you on everything unless you can prove to him that you're far more accomplished than you let on.
tacit field
wasn’t there something about a public sanitation druid?
lavish grove
Yah like, his ideal person is himself. A self obsessed wizard serial killer seeking godhood in lightning
His ideal of realized potential is that
tacit field
Yah like, his ideal person is himself. A self obsessed wizard serial killer seek...
which tbf
lightning is pretty cool
lavish grove
It is yah
vernal parcel
Yah like, his ideal person is himself. A self obsessed wizard serial killer seek...
That and I think a lot of people would be kind of overconfident if not like arrogant after surviving soul obliteration
lavish grove
I mean he was overconfident before that too
tacit field
literal power trip
warm sonnet
By his implication, the soul obliteration was part of his gambit
tacit field
i think some sort of public transit genius loci would be neat
warm sonnet
because, i presume, he needed a certain amount of wizardly power to obliterate him in a certain way
Which only the good wardens of Lost Whisper could provide
lavish grove
By his implication, the soul obliteration was part of his gambit
Yah, he murdered the Bobby who supposedly caught him to begin with during the event like it was nothing
He clearly wanted to be captured
He’s been avoiding the most powerful magical organization in the world for years, some wizard from Scotland Yard isn’t gonna actually catch him
warm sonnet
Couldn't wait until the second eclipse smh
tacit field
He’s been avoiding the most powerful magical organization in the world for years...
rest in peace harry dresden
warm sonnet
Well, he killed all seven of the dang execution-mystics
tacit field
also like, what is the deal with billy?
warm sonnet
Angry
vernal parcel
It is kinda hinted in a convo I believe that he tried doing dark magic once , and that's what got him the goat head
Can't remember who he said that too though
warm sonnet
There's also implications that he did it purposefully
vivid nimbus
Yah like, his ideal person is himself. A self obsessed wizard serial killer seek...
Please, I don't like murder, I'm indifferent to it.
somber creek
Thats really reductive of Seven's character
lavish grove
> Please, I don't like murder, I'm indifferent to it.
You can be a wizard serial killer and be indifferent to murder
He’s still killed like, a lot of people
somber creek
He doesn’t give a shit about the actual morality someone exhibits, he just thinks limiting yourself is pointless and anathema
lavish grove
I’m calling him a serial killer due to the number of people he’s killed
warm sonnet
He's not the archetypal serial killer, who does it for satisfaction and power. He just kills enmass.
Ye
undone galleon
i think technically in this era hed be a sequential killer
somber creek
He also mostly seems to be killing federal agents that are hunting him down
vernal parcel
So just regular murderer then
vivid nimbus
He sees murder as a tool that is frequently useful to various ends
By that standard, so are Callico and Haze
warm sonnet
He also mostly seems to be killing federal agents that are hunting him down
He did something to warrant being sentenced to super-execution
and that put him in for years before the actual sentence was carried out
undone galleon
he did go to prison for a reason which hes relatively fine to admit to
lavish grove
He doesn’t give a shit about the actual morality someone exhibits, he just think...
I more mean that seven does seem to think disregarding morality for your own goals is an admirable thing to do. Even if those goals are good he clearly thinks you should pursue them to any end
vivid nimbus
Could be a lot of things, I think "attempting to open another astral gate" is a high possibility
And Seven would probably be willing to open it in a more inhabited area than the middle of Central Park
ivory reef
id be rly shocked if they dont do other maps
I will note this is a classic moba bright idea failure mode
vernal parcel
He sees murder as a tool that is frequently useful to various ends
I meant it as more of a way to like qualify the amount of murder he does because I don't know what you would call someone kills a lot of people but not out of desire or necessity
ivory reef
It always splits the player base in bad ways
League removed their alt maps I think
And Dota 2 made any
Because they knew better
vivid nimbus
I meant it as more of a way to like qualify the amount of murder he does becaus...
I mean, I think he sees it as a necessity for his goals
ivory reef
I actually strongly suspect there won't be any alt maps outside of maybe like, specific maps for street brawl or something
undone galleon
fair i suppose
lavish grove
Yah I don’t think he encourages people to just start murdering, but also I feel like if someone like McGinnis who he considered wasted potential left Fairfax to start making personal magical nukes he’d respect her a lot more
ivory reef
But even then it's like
Randomly destroying everyone's parkour knowledge
For no reason
astral lava
wasn’t there something about a public sanitation druid?
Trapper was in hero labs but not a druid. Just cleared out magic pests
lavish grove
Seven clearly thinks that abandoning the idea of morality is a means to realize your potential, because morality can often hold people back from doing what they really want to do
ivory reef
Someone who knows - does League still have those other maps?
astral lava
Just ARAM
ivory reef
Twisted treeline? Dominions?
astral lava
They nuked 3v3 and Dominion
earnest verge
yeah it's just generally a balancing nightmare
ivory reef
The game balance is-
vivid nimbus
League sometimes brings out other maps for event game modes too
astral lava
Dominion was admittedly absolutely terrible but it was funny to do 5 friends v 5 friends
earnest verge
(which, in turn, means it's much more of a design nightmare than it looks)
vivid nimbus
Including occasionally bringing back the 3v3 or Dominion maps for an event game mode
earnest verge
so it only really makes sense for cases where you're throwing out regular balance considerations in some way anyway, like, yeah, strictly alternate game modes or such
warm sonnet
Having seen a few of the custom maps people have already made for Deadlock, there is potential there that I'd like to see realized
vivid nimbus
They also have done alt maps for ARAM but it's the same geometry
ivory reef
Deadlock is almost certainly gonna be like dota: one map but the map is huge and very deep
Like league has a boring map
astral lava
i want 2fort
ivory reef
There's so much you can do in the deadlock and Dota maps
warm sonnet
Dustbowl or bust
astral lava
let lash grapple from base to base
warm sonnet
Pl Upward in Deadeloch
astral lava
the actual tf2 map that would go crazy in deadlock is like. doublecross with a few more walls
Degroot Keep
undone galleon
just porting the tf2 maps over would be funny
warm sonnet
They did port Viscuous into Dota 2
vernal parcel
They did port Viscuous into Dota 2
Moves and all ? Or just the model
tacit field
It is kinda hinted in a convo I believe that he tried doing dark magic once , an...
on Seven kill
you're special because you got eldritch power? Newsflash, buddy, where do you think the goat head came from?
warm sonnet
I remember a video of him just plain doing everything but on the dota map (+/- weird perspective)
vernal parcel
on Seven kill
> you're special because you got eldritch power? Newsflash, buddy,...
Thank you
vernal parcel
I remember a video of him just plain doing everything but on the dota map (+/- w...
Huh I might have to look for that one to show a friend of mine
lavish grove
on Seven kill
> you're special because you got eldritch power? Newsflash, buddy,...
The only real question is if the goat head was done by him or someone else
warm sonnet
Huh I might have to look for that one to show a friend of mine
It's a very janky port
tacit field
The only real question is if the goat head was done by him or someone else
Wraith: Look, Billy: I know that people give you shit for having a goat head and I just wanted to say that I really appreciate that whatever bet you lost to have that be the case, you were man enough to follow through with the consequences.
Billy: You think I look like this 'cuz I lost a bet?
vernal parcel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng3b_MqaXRk
I still find it insane how they managed to even port it to begin with
vernal parcel
Is the source engine known for it to be easy to do that kind of thing ?
somber creek
Its just inherently easy to do when its all the same engine
vernal parcel
Ah gotcha
astral lava
what if the urn was a bomb and running it damaged objectives
undone galleon
i mean they already have rounds w/ street brawl
agile void
There's so much you can do in the deadlock and Dota maps
iirc I think coders have found push the cart coding in the game
No idea if that is going to be added to the normal map or be a side mode, but with graves they have started to create minions so they could probably do some pve stuff?
or allow once community tools are actually availabel
ivory reef
I can imagine that
seasonal event stuff is good design
dota absolutely does do that
like we get the year beast fights and aghanim's insane dungeon and stuff
agile void
there was the snowballs
ivory reef
it's a way of adding in variety without splitting the playerbase
agile void
I do think they may add this "cart" to the game later
we just straight up need more side objectives in the game
agile void
besides urn, walkers and technically bridge buffs there is not much to contest currently
ivory reef
they added the tormentors and wisdom shrines to dota in the last year or so
and they're good
agile void
and people have voiced their opinions over how urn is technically a win more in some matches
or you cant straight up contwst it even if its favored on your side
ivory reef
fwiw objectives being winmore isn't necessarily bad design
agile void
I mean yeah, but at that point its more like "just end the game"
there was people suggesting the possibility of a obj that fucked with the ziplines
I do think that kind of objective might be a good idea, turning off the ziplines for 1 or 2 minutes alone sound like a pain in the ass defense wise
ivory reef
it would be much worse for the attackers
finite patrol
turning off zips would slow down games i think
agile void
they can always iterate on this idea, which they might already be doing
somber creek
Turning off ziplines would be pretty sucks
ivory reef
I think turning off zips isn't a terrible game design concept
but it favors the defense
somber creek
It does just make Less Things Happen
ivory reef
that's not really true
it can open up space for stuff to happen that won't normally happen
like pretty deep pushes and stuff that you know can't be responded to
I think if I were to design around this space I'd do stuff like turn off specific zips
somber creek
I mean if you die early in lane that's just you sorta done
ivory reef
I mean. like. obviously this is gonna be a lategame team objective thing?
that's the context?
we don't even get boxes until 2 minutes in
like, I think a more meaningful and nuanced critique is that depending on when it happens, turning off all the zips or lots of zips could damage the flow state of movement in the game, especially for low mmr players
like. deadlock's map is kinda shrewdly designed in such a way that you're not really gonna be just walking around for a minute straight, ever
the only situations where that happens are like. you're in the middle of enemy territory and all the zips have been pushed far away from you by enemy trooper waves and you're trying to avoid using obvious vents to not get spotted as you try and get home
you may end up taking these circuitous minute long sneak paths to get back to base
and there's generally a sense of lost flow state and joy-of-movement momentum loss when that happens
it's not strategically bad it can just maybe feel bad
which is like, a tradeoff
as a rule dota style design is usually okay with making that tradeoff
like stuff like drifter / doorman ults may just be dismissed as antifun design period in other games
but it's something icefrog will do
ivory reef
like. deadlock's map is kinda shrewdly designed in such a way that you're not re...
(sidenote: I suspect this is why urn gives you a walking movement speed boost. because you can't zip and the design team doesn't want you really walking through any extended period of game time)
agile void
honestly I was really surprisef that they got rid of the turn in timer
now its just bring the urn over that spot
I feel part of the back and forth was lost there
finite patrol
Well there's still a time limit since it starts draining hp
agile void
yeah but because of that you had strategies like Using dynamos tp to secure the urn
walljumping in the spot to try to not get hit
many other things
I think they should bring back the turn in timer for middle urn maybe
finite patrol
I like it better on instant turn in
the urn is largely about Creating Situations and you dont need to have some extra condition to fill to Create a Situation around the urn
astral lava
they also made it easier to drop the urn as well
god knows they didnt write it aywhere but a patch note though (light melee)
finite patrol
tutorialization lag is real
autumn field
Ok wait what would a Samcho kit look like.
lavish grove
She already flies around a lot in her animations
vast sandal
Alternatively, berserk Sancho is moe Drifter
twilit roost
vast sandal
official McGinnis in a dress art
granite heath
official?
vast sandal
it's in the Lady Geist VN so
granite heath
ah
Is that accessible anywhere? I don't think I ever interacted with it.
agile void
It’s unfinished and currently accessed via console commands
not even
it was swiftly removed later
vivid nimbus
Well, at least we have pussySlaver420's diligent archival efforts
somber creek
Thank you pussySlaver420
vast sandal
rimjob steve ahh
late hare
anyone else having a lot of trouble with the servers atm?
autumn field
yeah i was having issues earlier
twilit roost
Steam is currently on and offline intermittently
autumn field
just had a 11 minute long fight in street brawl
the sinclair had 0 kills but damn he kept bnyuuing the abrams and that was amazing
name was amazing, TI 84+ Graphing Calculator
finite grotto
playing vs a witchmail viscous
i am fucking being bounced everywhere
they lost but shoutout to this viscous
they were kinda hot with it
wintry arrow
I have a new favorite lore theory.
Bebop wants to save Ms. Shelly.
I now believe Lash ALSO wants to use his wish to save her, just so Bebop has to live with Lash saving her.
I will accept no such things as 'concrete, specific lore contradictions'
vast sandal
see Lash would probably do that
rich grove
bebop and lash having a reed/doctor doom relationship is the funniest shit possible
magic summit
Vyper’s wish, what was it again?
Geists wallet
autumn field
whatever it is she wants, it involves a secure, comfortable life
so a life in Lash’s arms /j
autumn field
Geists wallet
Checks out lmao
vast sandal
I doubt Lash can provide that kind of comfort tbh
autumn field
I know I’m joking
magic summit
I know some of the patrons lines for her just involve giving her recognition and respect
Which makes sense considering she is widely reviled
somber creek
Lash's wish is either something completely beneficial like curing Ms Shelly or helping everyone in New York, or it's something like "I hope no one else gets a wish"
gray otter
you know what they say about lash
mild flume
I feel like vyper would wish for a huge amount of money and then blow it in like 6 months
dusky flume
I feel like vyper would wish for a huge amount of money and then blow it in like...
Look, I'd trust Vyper with my life savings
I expect her to use it well and wisely
vast sandal
finite patrol
unbind your melee key
rich grove
@magic summit (@ epic_edster)
magic summit
I follow them, lol
I actually followed them because they posted Venture thirst traps
rich grove
I stop playing Sinclair aaaasAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH I WAS WONDERING WHY THE USERNAME WAS FAMILIAR
LMFAOOOOOOOO
magic summit
And now they are on Pocket
magic summit
All nonbinaries have an invulnerablility button, is what ive learned
If Ed also mained Dracula or Pig in DbD we'd fully share mains but they are a Legion player
vivid nimbus
Hey, Legion is also they/them (not non-binary, just 4 separate dudes)
rich grove
chillin in a hot tub
twilit roost
rich grove
Hey, Legion is also they/them (not non-binary, just 4 separate dudes)
for the same reason, Pig should be they/them as the person who wears the mask changes from plot contrivance to plot contrivance
vivid nimbus
DbD Pig is specifically just Amanda Young
somber creek
Pig is a woman specifically yeah
rich grove
dangit
mossy lance
foiled again
autumn field
christ im insane on apollo
twilit roost
Absolutely Apollolyptic
lavish shale
I can't hit Apollo's 3 reliably
autumn field
amazing fucking game
at first i was like
i need help i cant win lane if its a 2v1
turns out, i kinda could
agile rune
I can't hit Apollo's 3 reliably
what issue do you seem to be having?
rich grove
my brain cannot parse that holding directions causes you to dodge in that direction when you cast
autumn field
his kit feels so... intuitive now
like i think i need to add echo shard to my build so i can hit 3 even more, but outside of that he has a damn fine tempo
merry verge
Just needs 30-60 seconds of more ult CD
autumn field
For Apollo?
merry verge
Yosh
autumn field
Not superrrrr sure on that
somber creek
I just had the worst streetbrawl
I have never seen such a skewed distribution of items
ackackack
autumn field
I mostly use his ult as an extra 3 tbh
dusky flume
Did so well, I got the whole rando team to commend me 😌
lavish shale
what issue do you seem to be having?
Can't track people when they get too close to me or vertical
autumn field
yay
somber creek
I got MVP despite not getting anything besides the most object damage
and I have to assume it's because of how many rounds I won via simply having the entire team solo ult me
autumn field
added some stuff to my current preferred apollo build
frail jasper
my brain cannot parse that holding directions causes you to dodge in that direct...
Have you bound his 3 to your RMB yet, because that makes it a LOT easier to manage and it's not like you were using the zoom anyway.
rich grove
I WAS ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE WHO DID THAT
that's not the problem
the problem is me being stupid in other ways
frail jasper
I know, but it's a helpful thing I thought worth mentioning
rich grove
😭
frail jasper
i'm glad I got my post out before you cuz I don't know about you being stupid in other ways
merry verge
600 HP + 1000 Shield + Bitingyoubitingyoubitingyou
the droopy ears on her critical portrait kill me
pupby..
somber creek
I do wish there was a damage mitigated graph
stable forum
maybe OSIC, definitely not another sandman
somber creek
I imagine maybe that Marlowe guy
finite patrol
probably a medium
agile rune
I hope we get The Troubador and he's like, the most support support
stable forum
this seems odd / incorrect because Billy talks about Vindicta walking around central park barefoot. Though I guess she could be walking around the portal, or that could be a reference to the portal?
finite patrol
I hope we get The Troubador and he's like, the most support support
pretty fucking hard to beat rem for that title
stable forum
probably a medium
honestly i think it'd be either a Curator or like... a captain/officer of some sort.
finite patrol
oh you want it to be a hard?
agile rune
true, nik
rich grove
this seems odd / incorrect because Billy talks about Vindicta walking around cen...
have you ever considered that maybe Billy is just a freak
finite patrol
to each their own ig
stable forum
oh you want it to be a hard?
a
stable forum
have you ever considered that maybe Billy is just a freak
very possible!
he did turn his head into a goat, after all
agile rune
oh you want it to be a hard?
I assume you mean bard and are talking to me
in which case, yes
undone galleon
I hope we get The Troubador and he's like, the most support support
the summonerr
finite patrol
I assume you mean bard and are talking to me
no dauntless said its probably not a medium so I assumed they wanted a hard
agile rune
ah
Troubador being a wandering musician/murder makes for a funny character to then make into a specialist support
rich grove
largo
undone galleon
he can apparently turn into a flight of crows
which implies hes got some mobility
agile rune
yeah nothing said so far implies a great level of like, combat ability
finite patrol
I like the idea of troubador actually being wandering musicians murderer though I expect they will do something a little subversive of that expectation
glass flicker
Holy shit street brawl is so much fun
finite patrol
musician characters are kinda supports all the time in doters it would be nice to do something different
glass flicker
Played it for the first time the other night and it was a blast
finite patrol
I guess apollo in smite is a carry
glass flicker
I really like how fast paced and hectic it gets
glass flicker
It for sure helps me get better at the main game mode
I think it would be neat to have some other alternative modes like TF2, but if it’s just brawl and standard that would be fine
Nothing feels as good as popping Celeste ult during a team fight and watching the enemy team scramble
finite patrol
can't really split queues too much since the playerbase will go down a lot until the next major patch
im sure they will have more game modes as events in future
finite grotto
I am really liking point blank as my 3,2 gun on pocket 👀
losing this one really stings
finite patrol
Alin and the sissy queen were simply too powerful
finite grotto
team was just splitting up or solo pushing the entire time 
vivid nimbus
Infernus nooooooo
agile rune
wasn't playing so hot
glass flicker
Infernus is one of those characters I rarely see played, and either it’s someone that has no idea what they’re doing or an actual ixian
finite patrol
he got nerfed pretty heavy
so yeah the people who pick fern either didnt get the memo or are the diehards
agile rune
trying to cook too hard
finite patrol
he cooked a lot
most powerful hero in the game for at least 4 months and it was not close lmao
agile rune
he was good but I was not good with him
dusky flume
I don't think I'm vibing with Vyper 😭
ivory reef
merry verge
It just moves so damn fast
lavish shale
it's a lot more useful for general movement than I thought
dusky flume
I found Victor to be surprisingly fun in the one match I had
rich grove
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOFQUNJjKNw
bopsoplasmosis is an honorable strat
vivid nimbus
Everybody gangsta until a spirit(?) cat with a bomb strapped to it comes running at you
lavish shale
I found Victor to be surprisingly fun in the one match I had
Victor is neat
I play him because he just statchecks people
dusky flume
Victor is neat
I play him because he just statchecks people
It is surprisingly easy to just fire a bunch of abilities at once and just watch a mob of players around you die
rich grove
@magic summit how do you play Pocket into teams that just seem very insistent on hugging at all times
dusky flume
I did get a match in as Paradox too, but I'm unsure of how I vibe with the kit
finite patrol
isnt that your dream sitch
merry verge
Paradox seems like someone to play if you're in a group
Followup on the swap is so important
rich grove
isnt that your dream sitch
well when I don't have ult
finite patrol
o
dusky flume
I feel like I didn't really get a good grasp of things, though granted I was on solo queue
dusky flume
I was wondering if I should give Rem a spin
agile rune
you should
lavish shale
https://bsky.app/profile/fishingminigame.bsky.social/post/3me62clu6us2i
not the crossover I expected
finite patrol
if you like playing support and roaming rem is a very good character for you
finite patrol
he definitely cannot run the lobby even if he has the highest net worth though
lavish shale
you do very much rely on other people, yes
agile rune
I recommend not taking all the sinners as rem, just the opponents
lavish shale
even if the pillows can get pretty big by endgame
somber creek
I managed to get the full Pillow items
agile rune
let your carry take the safer ones for your team
lavish shale
I recommend not taking all the sinners as rem, just the opponents
ideally you just steal your opponent's, yes
but in my games people don't usually take Sinner's
so I just hoover them up
more permabuffs for me I guess
agile rune
yeah if no one is taking them you should
dusky flume
I guessed if I enjoyed being a team player as Paige, I'd work just as well with Rem
lavish shale
quite likely
Rem also really likes having lots of active items, so you have stuff to do during Tag Along
bleak thicket
I recommend not taking all the sinners as rem, just the opponents
dont listen to him
greed to the max, gamble everything, gloat about your soul lead and then give the enemy a 2k bag by joining a team fight when you forgot you have a 2k bag on you
totally didnt happen to me
_>
lavish grove
That’s beast mode
Always take fights with big bags
It’s psychological warfare
They’ll see the possibility for a bunch of souls and tunnel you
bleak thicket
if the bag isnt as big in size as rem himself
lavish grove
As hard as possible
bleak thicket
why even farm
rich grove
bags are for fumbling
magic summit
<@142842792564097025> how do you play Pocket into teams that just seem very insi...
So if they are grouping up and you either don't have ult or you feel like your ult won't do much, sorry to say but
Rat
finite patrol
magic summit
You must be a rat
agile rune
you're all not allowed to do anything
magic summit
Pocket's hidden power is consuming walkers
finite patrol
you're all not allowed to do anything
faceless void type post
lavish grove
you're all not allowed to do anything
I’m sorry you don’t understand the psychological aspect to winning deadlock
It’s like what sun tzu said
magic summit
It was nerfed with the walker damage range update but you can waste affliction on a walker and just stand under it dodging the stomp with satchel
lavish grove
“Get the enemy team mad fuck and you’ll win every game” - the art of war
magic summit
If they come to stop you they are splitting off from the group hug and chasing a Pocket that might have some bullshit like warp stone + majestic leap to vanish away
Half the time if they only send one dude to stop me from chewing on the walker like I'm a dog eating plastic I will just ignore them and continue murdering it
dusky flume
bags are for fumbling
What if I simply beat the other players to death with the bag?
rich grove
literally
frail jasper
cerulean pendant
mfw rem helpers know how to get jackpot sinners
cerulean pendant
same until saw a few gameplay vids online
still cant nail it consistently in game tho
finite patrol
charge up heavy melee when there are 3 lights left unlit on the machine
glass flicker
autumn field
I think I need help mastering Apollo
I’m pretty good at him I think, from knowing when to Riposte against stuff I can see (still learning if I can riposte a bebop sticky once stickied), and his movement is good
I know how to use my one decently
I guess main thing I want to learn is like, how to gauge distance better and when/how to take fights and the best ways to engage in fights
stable forum
I’m pretty good at him I think, from knowing when to Riposte against stuff I can...
riposte should work against sticky
autumn field
I think I need to learn better movement, probably better spacing
stable forum
counterspell works vs stick
autumn field
Gotcha
stable forum
spacing seems important for apollo
my general experience playing against him is that if I space his flawless advance out I win
autumn field
Gotcha
Currently I notice I’m very very spirit 4.8k heavy
I perform somewhat poorly until we hit about 10k then I start winning every fight
Most of my early money goes towards greens and so on
frail jasper
at least in this case, one trick to try and master is using your 3 and 1 plus movement tech (wall jumps) to gain height to be level with Seven and then using 2 to stun him out of ult. But killing him works okay too.
autumn field
Mmm yeah that sounds right
But like, I was in the “I can just murder him” mindset
I’m 6k ahead and deal like, 1/4 his health bar per stab
I really like building spellbreaker late game these days
Lots of spirit people and lots of big damage sinks regardless, which makes it really good with someone whose got a “tempo” like Apollo
frail jasper
alternatively, buy phantom strike when vs seven and co. and punch them out of the sky, THEN 2 them out of their ult
autumn field
When I fight against a GT or Vindicta I just stab them to death lmao
frail jasper
unrelated, but earlier today I (paradox) kept a Mina silenced/slowed for TWELVE CONTINUOUS SECONDS and the Silver with me couldn't kill her because net jitter made only 1/3 of her shots hit
autumn field
Well a good GT shouldn’t die to that
A good GT would’ve bolted + snare + owlnuked me the second I got in visual range
Also I know this is a bit tricky but I really want to get the skill to win 2v1s esp when I’m 6-7k ahead
finite grotto
I had my first good viktor game yay
gotta say tho the heroe is not for me. I usually really enjoy drain tanks and full ham frontliners but i dont know viktor isnt clicking for me yet
dim tendon
I think I need to look into items to like. Protect myself a bit more
I'm realising that I'm ending up so very fragile 90% of the time
dim tendon
It's intimidating!
stable forum
it's sorta character dependent though
yeaa it's moderately hard to use but using it badly is also fine
finite grotto
I need to buy eshift more xd
dim tendon
The build lists so many items but I only have so many slots 
finite grotto
esp since i play pocket
stable forum
The build lists so many items but I only have so many slots <:Bigsad:13751478482...
this is why I only buy two damage items :3
or 3
or 1 (I'm playing Warden and my one damage item is Spellslinger)
dim tendon
I think like most of the items I buy are purple
I just buy all the cool down and duration items my build tells me to
stable forum
I say these things but then I keep taking 4+ damage items in brawl
faiir
...you could start buying green duration instead of normal duration
but green duration is expensive
dim tendon
I.. think I do somewhat
stable forum
green duration
finite grotto
which hero do you play?
dim tendon
There's this green item I always buy that sorta decreases cooldown
agile void
I'm realising that I'm ending up so very fragile 90% of the time
analyze what kills you in a current match
dim tendon
It's like a cooldown decrease if you're above a certain threshold
stable forum
There's this green item I always buy that sorta decreases cooldown
enchanter's emblem is good!
agile void
It's like a cooldown decrease if you're above a certain threshold
enchanters barrier
stable forum
decent item
dim tendon
Oh I aim to play graves a lot of the time
stable forum
oh
dim tendon
And follow a build locked in on her ult
stable forum
don't buy green duration on graves probably >.>
it's... proobably okay actually
just funky
dim tendon
A lot of the time I end up with a like 75 second cooldown on it with a 50 second duration
finite grotto
but greens still be awesome. even if you wanna go full spirit getting tha 4.8k spike atleast is gonna save your life a ton!
dim tendon
Mainly I need to learn what items to buy to deal with specific heroes
stable forum
(everyone can buy counterspell but shhh)
dim tendon
That sounds likely
astral lava
counterspell can let you parry his bomb as its about to explode
dim tendon
...does that count as a parry for the purposes of parry cooldown?
agile void
yes
astral lava
dispel magic will make the bomb fall off but it will still explode for some reason. they just changed this too it used to just remove the thing lol
dim tendon
...also what happens if there's 2 bombs on me like a second apart from each other
dim tendon
It'll only parry one bomb right
agile void
...also what happens if there's 2 bombs on me like a second apart from each othe...
they will parry both if counterspell is still active
astral lava
it seems to be coded to block both
agile void
in that short duration basically it will protect you of all skills
or anything that hits you in that moment that isnt just gun
astral lava
on top of how annoying bebop bomb is to deal with the worst part of it all is theres no reason he has that. or laser tbh. he's a pit fighter why would he have a bomb
undone galleon
robot
gray otter
on top of how annoying bebop bomb is to deal with the worst part of it all is th...
its funny
agile void
Bebop just feels off designed
dim tendon
I don't even mind the concept of infinitely scaling characters
agile void
at this point I dont know if the devs know what bebop wants to be
dim tendon
But bebop is to my knowledge the only one you have to buy around to survive when it comes to his scaling
agile void
But bebop is to my knowledge the only one you have to buy around to survive when...
talon?
drifter?
dim tendon
Drifter you can bypass by just not being on your own right?
merry verge
You can't really buy around drifter scaling and also he's gots to kill ya
agile void
You can't really buy around drifter scaling and also he's gots to kill ya
metal skin
merry verge
Bomb scaling makes every interaction with bebop in lane feel like a loss
gray otter
what abt mina
dim tendon
And also you can actually dodge the owl in my experience
Plus it's on an ult so it's not like he's got it available all the time
agile void
its gun damage, the gun damage cannot happen unless he has APR
merry verge
Mina has to get a lotta shots in to proc Bites early game
dim tendon
Question about Mina's bats actually
agile void
And also you can actually dodge the owl in my experience
Plus it's on an ult s...
His owl is spirit to all his kit
dim tendon
Oh it's his entire kit?
agile void
not just the owl
stable forum
I have no idea what to do about bebop
counterspell bomb!
dim tendon
Adding greytalon to the list but one rung below bebop x3
Because at least you can dodge the owl without buying anything
astral lava
bomb is just such a safe ability especially since he can put it on creeps and allies
agile void
can be a assist so long they die soon after you hit them
dim tendon
Also question about Mina's bats
Does it ever reach an amount of bats that it can't like. Fire all the bats before the duration is up
finite grotto
I still love that building bepop really do be whatever you feel like
stable forum
it seems to be coded to block both
it blocks everythign for the parry duration
if they're a full second apart or longer it won't block both
agile void
that is why you will see bebops with echo shard not double bomb you instantly
stable forum
er, not the parry duration, for the listed spellblock duration on counterspell
merry verge
I've been having this weird thing where games beyond 30 minutes start getting lag spikes, for everyone not just me :|a
finite grotto
I havent had it happen at 30 minutes but I have experienced it at like 75+
earnest verge
The weird thing about bomb is that it scales on stuff other than kills
I don't really mind it regardless, but it is unusual in that way
on-kill infinite scaling is pretty common as a design element both in Dota and in Deadlock
dim tendon
Honestly I think I'd be less miffed about it if they just took the scaling from his bomb and put it on his ult
That's just me personally though
stable forum
eshift is also a very good anti-bebop option
dim tendon
What's e shift do?
stable forum
dim tendon
Ooh
stable forum
full invulnerablility for 4 seconds
it's expensive but also it wrecks bomb
...once.
every 45s
dim tendon
...god I need to work on like
Understanding a build
There's a non zero chance thats already in the build I'm following but I've never bought it because I was already full by the time I got to it lol
astral lava
sell your rank 1s etc etc
Im certainly guilty of holding on tk monster rounds too long
dim tendon
Oh yeah I sell my uhh
Restoring shot and healing rite
I still end most of my games with like
15k souls tho because I just ran out of room and now don't know what to do
merry verge
I get clingy with some 1600s
stable forum
On Silver...
...I sell
exactly Kinetic Dash and only sometimes.
but that's because i simply don't buy 800s I'm not building into other items.
vast sandal
sell your rank 1s etc etc
Im certainly guilty of holding on tk monster rounds to...
just build into cultsac 4head? :V
stable forum
in general selling 1600s for 6400s is just correct
vast sandal
I still end most of my games with like
15k souls tho because I just ran out of r...
you can always pick up some tier 4 greens
dim tendon
But what do I get rid of
stable forum
any 1600
vast sandal
what are your 1600s
dim tendon
...I have no idea
stable forum
sell enchanter's emblem for spellbreaker or similar
dim tendon
...one sec let me see if I have a screenshot laying around of the build
vast sandal
was about to say
why we selling escalating exposure that item's gas
EE Paradox sure is funny
stable forum
...people buy escalating exposure???
astral lava
kid named victor
vast sandal
if you have Pulse Grenade yeah absolutely
vast sandal
also turret mcginnis and pocket
stable forum
the only truly important thing to keep track of when selling 1600s is if they're giving you a capability you neeed
like eg if you've got healbane
astral lava
any ability that does damage multiple times in one cast, escalating is amazing
stable forum
you probably don't want to sell healbane for something else unless that other thing also gives healing reduction
vast sandal
pulse grenade is such an ability lmao
stable forum
(assuming you need healing reduction)
dim tendon
Is superior cooldown a 1600?
stable forum
no
vast sandal
"oh yeah this attack deals damage like 8 times when you kit for it properly and each hit stacks a debuff that makes you take more damage from Paradox"
stable forum
you can upgrade superior cooldown to transcendent cooldown to sink money though
dim tendon
...what about uhhh
vast sandal
"let's buy EE and make everything worse"
dim tendon
Healing rite
vast sandal
that's an 800 lol
stable forum
.>
vast sandal
you sell those
dim tendon
Okay that gives me an idea
stable forum
yeah you sell that
dim tendon
Oh yeah I Def sell yhat
stable forum
I personally don't build it but like that's me
vast sandal
I build Healing Rite on characters that intend to roam after lane
dim tendon
I'm just trying to workout when the items will appear so I can guess at which ones are 1600
vast sandal
healbane and witchmail
dim tendon
Oh they do?
vast sandal
fuck you viktor
vast sandal
as an aside
stable forum
Oh they do?
yeaa it's slightly hard to notice
stable forum
fuck you viktor
simply play funny grenade man
vast sandal
buying healbane early as an all-in on killing your lane opponents sure is funny
finite grotto
its a smooth kinda game 😌
vast sandal
character concept: bullet carry who's a cursed firearm possessing a homunculus body, backstory is that they were built by Fairfax Industries for the Ixian war and are now on loan to the OSIC since they're technically equipment and not a person
they have opinions on this, but being a sentient firearm they're more cool with it than you'd expect as long as they're not left to rust in an armory
toxic gulch
Ive been enjoying Mina but holy shit she’s a glass cannon
Is there any easy ways to guage when your Rake will execute someone to death?
That one might be one of my main issues in play, I’m bad at the napkin math on securing rakes
ivory reef
Ive been enjoying Mina but holy shit she’s a glass cannon
Is there any easy way...
Sadly no, this is one of those endless qol things I've kinda always wished Dota did better
toxic gulch
Alas
I’ll have to continue to eyeball it
But other than that yeah she’s really fun
And now it appears that I am playing both vampires regularly
vast sandal
things I've stolen as Paradox:
- a 2000 soul bag (love ya, Rem)
- Bebop's digital soul (got swapped while hyper beaming)
- Seven's dignity (swapped while storm clouding)
- a Silver player's composure (swapped his girlfriend into death)
- an astounding number of objectives
- a lot of urns run solo into enemy territory
- a few urns right out of enemy hands
- at least one match that was frankly rightfully theirs but I just robbed 'em blind with comeback urns, stolen jungle, and preying on their carry with swaps
things I still haven't stolen
- one third of a rejuvenator
- two thirds of a rejuvenator
- three thirds of a rejuvenator
Pulse Grenade is weirdly good at blowing up objectives
the paradox hustle grind of taking EVERYTHING must continue
I'm coming for every block, fuck it, I'm coming for every Sinner's Sacrifice
late hare
...people buy escalating exposure???
McG also does this
lavish grove
things I've stolen as Paradox:
- a 2000 soul bag (love ya, Rem)
- Bebop's digita...
What build do you run on paradox btw?
vast sandal
gun early spirit late
Resto Shot first because it's damage AND sustain, then Monster Rounds Extra Regen / Extra Stamina (vibe based decision) and in lane I'm looking to pick up Weakening Headshot, Cultist Sacrifice because I'm a gremlin and I need more money, Duration Extender and Mystic Expansion for my 1 which I'll upgrade later
earnest verge
Sadly no, this is one of those endless qol things I've kinda always wished Dota ...
I've noticed that Shiv does seem to have this, though I've only really played around with it in the hideout and it's probably a lot more subtle in an actual game
When the enemy in the hideout is under the execute treshold for Shiv, they'll have a bit of a stinky red aura
vast sandal
after that, Stamina Mastery and either a counterpick green if all the enemy team damage is the same or Fortitude if it's evenly split, then upgrades to the Mystic items (OR UTILITY, DON'T NOT BUY A PURPLE UTIL), then I'm starting to look for the good shit like a tier 4 green, Escalating Exposure, Crippling Headshot if there's regen tanks, etc.
after that your item picks are luxury like Diviner's Kevlar
Echo Shard's nice if you can scare one up
also the reason that I buy gun on paradox early is that her gun is pretty dominant in lane for poking and the 5-round burst makes hitting heads a breeze, on top of all of that Kinetic Carbine scales with gun damage despite being a mystic damage skill
later it falls off, but Cultist Sacrifice is still an econ bump all game long and helps you gremlin their farm even more than her 1 already does on its own (you can just set it and let it eat their jg camp on its own while you fuck off to steal something else) so it's only restorative shot and maybe weakening headshot that end up being inefficient longterm
ivory reef
When the enemy in the hideout is under the execute treshold for Shiv, they'll ha...
Ooh that's cool
I do want to play shiv
I think he's very much my style
vast sandal
Shiv is for movement sickos
ivory reef
I think he's very much my style
vast sandal
So what you’re saying is you need a fem Shiv mod
final osprey
I've been struggling a lot fighting Celeste players so I tried her out. I think she should maybe be a little bit nerfed.
ivory reef
Full Dr girlfriend send it
late hare
“I wake up this pretty”
toxic gulch
Femme shiv needs the same pompadour and sideburns or I riot
dusky flume
I wouldn't lie, if there was a fem Ven mod I'd main in an instant
Give me my chain smoking gun nun
vestal hearth
Because of Doctor Girlfriend, that sort of voice reads as fem to me.
ivory reef
Because of Doctor Girlfriend, that sort of voice reads as fem to me.
Same
It was genuinely like, such a cool accidentally lovely thing for trans awareness
A one off joke kinda just taught everyone that a woman can have any voice you just get used to it
She's so clearly a fucking woman too and everyone treats her like one
dusky flume
It was a weird transphobic joke that somehow managed to circle back around to being gender affirming
Which is wild
cerulean pendant
I wouldn't lie, if there was a fem Ven mod I'd main in an instant
femator as a mod name for fem venator could be fire ngl
lavish grove
It was a weird transphobic joke that somehow managed to circle back around to be...
When I was first watching Venture bros I kept hearing how quickly you get used to her voice and it is kinda crazy how right they are
It stopped registering as a joke to me by like, episode 2
toxic gulch
Yea
Eventually you just have a woman
Who just sounds like that
Cus women sound like a lot of things!!!!!
ivory reef
It was a weird transphobic joke that somehow managed to circle back around to be...
I don't even think it was transphobic it was just like, a genderfuckery joke? Like even as a kid I kinda got the feeling they were just trying to fuck with the audience
But they never made any like allusions to irl crossdressers or sex workers or anything, no csi energy
And everyone just treated her like a woman from the very first episode with zero lampshading
If anything it was a joke at the expense of transphobes
lavish grove
I don't even think it was transphobic it was just like, a genderfuckery joke? Li...
It definitely started as like, “what if this attractive woman sounded like a dude” but yah it did end at that
vast sandal
there's a joke but it's not "haha get it she's trans"
ivory reef
Yeah like, not all gender humor is about trans people - or I guess basically all of it is now because of awareness
But back then nobody knew trans people existed
lavish grove
Though there is like, one kinda transphobic bit later one where Brock asks if she’s a trans woman but it’s pretty quickly forgotten
ivory reef
You got entire webcomics like misfile
That genuinely started with zero trans awareness and then someone had to tell the author
Very millennial experience
dusky flume
That's fair, gender humor tends to usually be at the expense of trans people by proxy so I'm used to the implication
agile void
That's fair, gender humor tends to usually be at the expense of trans people by ...
Also worth mentioning
how Happy and Gay meant the other thing before
society changes and with it the meanings change too
at this point I wouldnt be surprised if someone makes the attack helicopter joke to be reaffirming
stray arch
autumn field
tsunpollo
stray arch
Blubewwy
frail jasper
blubewwy
reef mist
I hate that this is 100% accurate
dusky flume
https://bskye.app/profile/saltypokerface.bsky.social/post/3mffa6wlmkk22
Damn it Graves, stop being adorable
plain furnace
@merry verge @finite grotto For Deadlock tonight, we can start whenever you want. I'm available right now if need be
Also, of course, if anyone wanna join, do not hesitate
plain furnace
He got mice'd by Sinclair ?
finite grotto
nope he ulted into them
plain furnace
lol
rich grove
ope
finite patrol
I think there's a console command to kill your hero
not sure if it actually works in a mm game tho
vivid nimbus
Yeah killme works
finite grotto
ye lost xd
imma quickly get something to snack and then i am rdy and we can ping some folk @plain furnace
granite heath
@[role]
if you're on PC and it autofills, roles are below people whose usernames match, and you can just select them there.
plain furnace
<@&1277035919182008330> If anyone wanna join
ivory reef
ooo
rich grove
i would test this but unfortunately i can actually ping the role
you are actually in a better position to do so than i am
dusky flume
I haven't tried street brawl yet, how is it?
somber creek
A lot more fun and digestible than a full game tbh
Its just a short and stupid aram mode and its done well
frail jasper
Chaotic. I'm not a fan, but plenty of people are. I prefer the base game formula even if it's longer.
final osprey
It's fun, and when it isnt it's at least over fairly quickly
rich grove
frail jasper
Upside: constant fighting
Downside: no practice on macro skills
rich grove
i play it as a way to remind myself to be thankful that you can buy counter items in the shop
frail jasper
I play rem though so winning the game via macro is kinda my thing
somber creek
I play it because I have adhd
stable forum
brawl is good for learning items, good for learning character kits
rich grove
there's a lot of configurations in which you can just sort of take your hands off the keyboard
stable forum
i generally run brawl when i'm learning character kits, or when I'm just looking for a more casual experience.
somber creek
Its also statistically less likely you are gonna run into toxic people ime
lavish shale
I haven't tried street brawl yet, how is it?
It's a bit weird IMO
stable forum
Its also statistically less likely you are gonna run into toxic people ime
people don't care as much & don't have to stay as long
oh right i also like how brawl is always even farm but that's personal thing.
lavish shale
Cutting out all econ also makes it favor certain heroes a good bit
dusky flume
I'm the type that just learns by jumping into a match and praying shit works out
Had a decent track record so far
lavish shale
Same with it being mostly all team fights all the time
somber creek
people don't care as much & don't have to stay as long
Also 4 less people in general
rich grove
my tolerance for getting victimised by some mix of refresher, fliers, lightning scroll, leech with no say otherwise is pretty much zero
and the other side of just kicking sandcastles over and over loses novelty pretty quickly
frail jasper
I consider Street Brawl to be rather valuable in teaching you how to prioritize abilities and items independent of premade builds, which is something a lot of people struggle with (or totally fail at). You're incentivized to actually understand what your upgrades do and how to itemize to make it work, and be aware of what enemies seem to be doing so you can pray for counter items.
But also Street Brawl has a problem with "the enemy team rolled four characters with giga ults" and 20 seconds after a round start you just get Lash -> Dynamo -> Bebop -> McGinnis'd straight into hell and there's approximately nothing you could ever have done about it.
So it's a little mixed to say the least.
autumn field
But also Street Brawl has a problem with "the enemy team rolled four characters ...
I think a lash dynamo warden(?) team would be nasty as fuck
Oh and a Victor
frail jasper
really if there's ever a lash you can just expect him to Death Slam all four of you into hell and it sucks to go up against. If there's ALSO a dynamo or similar CC ulter like... idk Paige? it's just a wombo combo
dusky flume
Feels like such a weird pattern when I end up doing my best with support-y characters. Whether it's Overwatch, or Marvel Rivals or this game. I'm just decent at helping carry a team when I lock in.
frail jasper
I can't aim for shit (horrible muscle memory) so characters that DON'T overwhelmingly rely on aim and target tracking are where I shine. Rem, Viscous, Paige, etc.
lavish shale
Feels like such a weird pattern when I end up doing my best with support-y chara...
That's not that weird
autumn field
I can't aim for shit (horrible muscle memory) so characters that DON'T overwhelm...
I find myself pretty good on Apollo and fairly good on graves
lavish shale
I can't aim for shit (horrible muscle memory) so characters that DON'T overwhelm...
I have the same problem, I just play Victor over it instead
I've been trying out Calico, but I can't aim her 1 either
frail jasper
one day viscous will receive real buffs and then we can go back to lobbing goo splatters into they skybox while shouting "KOBE" and blow up the Grey Talon who thought he was safe in base
lavish grove
Deadman gaming
frail jasper
Mirage is really effective, though many consider him just kinda boring. Ricochet makes him a menace
toxic gulch
i know someone who really likes mira- oh wait she's right here
hello ophelia! i know you like mirage!
lavish grove
Deadman gaming
Also funny thing, due to the only person on the enemy team who had a chance to beat me being Mina I found it was easier to beat her if she had teammates with her
The damage they did was practically nothing and they were another body to heal off of with my items and pain battery
Her teammates were actively helping me lol
lavish shale
Also funny thing, due to the only person on the enemy team who had a chance to b...
yeah often the case with Victor IME
hallow zenith
hello ophelia! i know you like mirage!
Hiii!!
I just had an hour long game where I near-solo clutched a defense into a victory with him!
merry verge
<@&1277035919182008330> If anyone wanna join
arblgblhblh sorry distracted with the Real Life but I'm kicking around if y'all are still doing stuff just need a bit
also mirage loooves an hour long game, his lategame is so goddamn scary
hallow zenith
Mirage is really effective, though many consider him just kinda boring. Ricochet...
He's boring but he's like, the good boring where he just kinda works
rich grove
three good abilities stapled together and then 1
merry verge
I don't know if Scarabs have ever damaged me
hallow zenith
They don't damage
merry verge
They like.. steal max hp?
hallow zenith
They steal a little bit of max health and give bullet shredding
lavish shale
I like Mirage, but I can't aim to save my life
so it's a conundrum unfortunately
hallow zenith
The bullet shredding is the important part imo
Especially if you hit the tornado into a 1 and headshot combo
Learning how counter items work
agile rune
the TP makes him really annoying to go against ime, cause you can think you have the numbers advantage in a fight when suddenly, mirage
finite grotto
I am looking at drifters builds and I am seeing one that rushes spirit snatch and coldfront/bullet resist shredder early 👀
frail jasper
BRS is really good, spirit snatch works consistently on your 1 and Cold Front is just always good for those who like to dive on people suddenly
finite grotto
damm i gotta try it out
my suprise prob comes from seeing all the orange max drifters
autumn field
Sometimes I wish there were more flat HP or resilience options
lavish shale
I am looking at drifters builds and I am seeing one that rushes spirit snatch an...
BRS is also easy to trigger during his ult
agile rune
my suprise prob comes from seeing all the orange max drifters
Orange max is good for duelling
finite grotto
ya
agile rune
I personally go that route when I play since it leans into what you already kinda want to do
roam jungle, find isolated enemy, obliterate
hallow zenith
Hm
How is Ricochet on Mina?
frail jasper
Uncommon AFAIK since she doesn't usually buy other on-hit effects and Love Bites is fairly easy to proc on whoever you're trying to kill.
autumn field
Good in street brawl though, I’d presume
hallow zenith
It was very good
agile void
I personally go that route when I play since it leans into what you already kind...
also not much of your stuff scales with spirit
I think its only your one and the dot of your 2
agile rune
tbf, your 1 is worth a lot
rich grove
or mercurial magnum : V )
agile void
I mean... yeah
but you use your one for the... what?
55% bullet lifesteal on targets hit?
rich grove
the up close spirit damage is gnarly
agile void
let me check on the wiki
rich grove
idk how the order of operations works on spirit snatch + the bonus spirit damage against close targets
agile rune
yeah no it genuinely does a fair chunk of damage, especially early
rich grove
it's also reasonable to flex some spirit to make resistmaxxing less easy depending on comp
agile void
uh, 1.4
rich grove
haze dagger is 1.6 i think
agile void
It is a pretty nice spirit scaling
rich grove
that's pretty good
merry verge
spirit snatching everyone in a dynamo ult is also fun
rich grove
i mention dagger because dagger can just send people to the shadow realm if you're doppio
i fucked up the jojo reference my fault
agile void
i mention dagger because dagger can just send people to the shadow realm if you'...
dagger, punch, echo shard, dagger, punch
merry verge
punch more insulting
agile void
The nefarious haze melee
rich grove
ass slap haze is pretty funny but outside the combo it doesn't do much for you
dusky flume
Shooting is just long distance punching 
merry verge
watched a Venator melee someone for a full gotdamn thousand in the lategame
agile rune
blasphemy
agile void
watched a Venator melee someone for a full gotdamn thousand in the lategame
holy spirit
amen
granite heath
Holy True, actually
merry verge
the build is super for real
rich grove
venator heavy melee but instead of the stake he hits you with the true gif
granite heath
I love melee Venator
merry verge
ending up with like 50% of both resistances is kind of wild
dusky flume
Is Ven melee a good idea? I assumed he's more of a shootguy
agile rune
shootguy is very close to melee
rich grove
they recently buffed his 2 to make it actually work
merry verge
he's a bothguy, melee is focused on his shotgun combo
but the gun still works
especially up close
rich grove
so you can get a reliableish heavy melee after wallbang stun without getting parried
agile rune
given melee damage scales off gun damage
rich grove
i say reliableish because wallbang stun works basically like doomfist punch stun, up to and including people fucking sliding off of walls all the time instead of getting stunned
agile rune
so if your gun hits hard, so does your melee
agile void
I think you dont even need duration for the stun
rich grove
yeah i believe they just straight up buffed it to work
agile void
if you have it in t2 it can be a guaranteed heavy
granite heath
It was really sad before
rich grove
it was very stupid that not even 3200 duration + maxed 2 could guarantee the heavy on release
lavish shale
Is Ven melee a good idea? I assumed he's more of a shootguy
not necessarily a good idea for a whole build, but the max 2 also gives blessed to your melee and sets it up
granite heath
to hit the shotgun into getting parried
rich grove
despite it literally having the heavy buff at max ap on release
so I'm glad they actually buffed it so that it
y'know
works
agile void
Also apparently if you aim higher
rich grove
if you aim up you boof the stun altogether but you get more knockback
agile void
you can just scout force of nature someone
rich grove
you just will not be able to get the stun at all is the main tradeoff
which I mean, probably reasonable given it sends them to saturn
agile void
you just will not be able to get the stun at all is the main tradeoff
still if you are in a roof or you want someone to fuck off
rich grove
i've been yote several miles as celeste and used it as a medic-esque rocket surf
granite heath
someone in the pnet stack was showing that if you shoot the crossbow immediately after hitting the shotgun, it can reel enemies in instead.
granite heath
I think I managed to stun one of the bots in the lobby by pulling it into a pillar
rich grove
finally, we put harpoon into deadlock
hallow zenith
Learning how counter items work
The game is becoming a lot more fun and less frustrating now that I've begun getting it
agile rune
finally, we put harpoon into deadlock
isn't that what bebop is for?
rich grove
no, bebop is pudge
agile rune
I dunno, he looks kinda lean to me
viral onyx
I have decided I want to learn this
rich grove
condolences
viral onyx
How does one play?
viral onyx
Iirc, yes
agile void
can take a few hours
rich grove
slithers back underneath a lake of crude oil
agile rune
if you play mobas or hero shooters, it's basically like the one you play mashed with the other one
lavish shale
no, bebop is pudge
clearly we should put M&K ult on Bebop
viral onyx
if you play mobas or hero shooters, it's basically like the one you play mashed ...
I dabble in Rivals and Dota
agile rune
hero shooter with moba levels and item economy
utimate rule of thumb, imo, is play who you want, you'll learn fastest that way by playing what you think is cool
viral onyx
Oh, I already have a main picked out
edgy fog
Who here wants to see me being lucky?
agile rune
always leika
agile rune
Oh, I already have a main picked out
ooh who
agile rune
you are, yes
agile rune
Cool dude
edgy fog
I like Venator
but darn you gotta learn when to pull back
because you have two choices, go hard, go harder
cause damn you aren't built to run
agile rune
There’s a bunch of new player guides on YouTube, though I’m not sure what’s the best
agile rune
It’s best to be able to play 2-3 characters, yeah
agile rune
I think the most complicated thing, if you’re not used to it, is the item builds
Which is good because you can, on the screen where you select your hero, select an item build, including those popular in the community
edgy fog
Mostly how you can change up around enemy players
like going "damn that one person is healing a lot, better get healbane"
agile rune
Mostly how you can change up around enemy players
Oh I mean even on the level of when you first start knowing what’s good to buy in general
Not even counter building
edgy fog
True
That entire section is the most complicated part in general
there are at least suggested builds
agile rune
And most of them are decent to good
I’ve gotten by by mostly just taking suggested builds and tweaking
agile void
I have seen people having trouble just getting a handle on the start of the game
edgy fog
I've only built my own build once and that's actually on venator where I built more headshot and weapon damage
agile void
I have done a ivy build but Its pretty outdated
agile rune
Outside of the building though, knowing stuff about rotations and when to push is not like, complicated but it is something you don’t know if you don’t know
agile rune
Game is definitely at its best when you can play with some number of friends, preferably a full stack, which does help learning a little
viral onyx
I may ask here then!
granite heath
there's a role for it!
agile rune
There’s a role and everything
viral onyx
Oooh, spooky
agile void
the power of being a mod
finite grotto
damm i never had this one before
twilit roost
Blessed be the pre 5 minute leavers and not the 25 minute dc'ers
terse aspen
I have done a ivy build but Its pretty outdated
Oh I think I saw that one actually
Just recognized your username
lavish shale
damm i never had this one before
it's if someone abandons