I saw similar content of Mo and krill being told to protect the entrance to the lizard people and them being given a monster drink that they drink through AI
#Deadlock
agile void
mossy pine
ah damn should i delete it then?
warped ridge
I mean
Personally I would (also had to double check that it's still a rule for no AI so based on that too yeah)
mossy pine
then thats what ill do
final osprey
Does that Graves even have any greens ?
short quiver
ivory reef
Your guardian is actually not very important
I know it feels emotionally bad to lose it and at low mmr people use it to time when their laning stage ends
But you should treat the guardian as like
- a shop for you
- one sinner's sacrifice of money for the enemy if they get it
Like if you leave your guardian to die and get a camp and a sinner's you are ahead
Your guardian is still really useful as basically a beachhead to get the real money: troopers
It's a place to farm troopers from and it's got a convenient shop
But really that's it
If you're dying just abandon the guardian and take your jungle and take the enemy jungle maybe if they're bad at keeping you out
If you're very early and can't take camps just let your guardian fall and take troopers closer to your walker
It's honestly fine
raven spindle
I really think it's funny how many people bag on Graves bc that's just a teenage girl. Her only crime is being an angsty teenager
Apollo's in the running for second place though, but it's a sharp drop after Billy lmao
plain furnace
Your guardian is actually not very important
I find all these tips with Deadlock really helpful and funny at the same time
It's like Deathy saying "Dying isn't that important in the grand scheme of things, particularly in early game, or if you sacrifice for an objective"
ivory reef
Yeah the reality is like. You really have to actually think about the path to victory in games that are not designed around your emotional reflexes
Dota is just a prickly game
Like. Uh. Really simple example: respawn wave systems
Many modern shooters will queue up dead teammates so they all spawn at once in a wave so people don't run out and just die alone one by one
I think overwatch may have done this?
Meanwhile Dota and consequently Deadlock are not that interested in coddling you - if you die you're out for N seconds and you figure it out
And sometimes that means you respawn but actually the correct thing to do is stay in base and let the shrines fall
And wait for more backup to spawn before you all roll out together
stray arch
I have noticed with Deadlock specifically that folks seem to make more decisions based on shooter games than treating it like a MOBA
Even folks in my play group who I know are good at other DotA style games make the sort of decisions that make sense in an overwatch type game but are really bad for a MOBA
ivory reef
Dota is famously the game where people realized killing their own minions was actually an amazing strat to deny enemy farm
plain furnace
I played a bit of Rivals like one week before I fell into Deadlock
And, like, Rivals, while fun, just felt like chaos, with not much meat as in game-planning
ivory reef
We're all used to it now
But you really gotta enter that headspace
The game rewards being a shrewd bastard and not just like, running out into fights and having a good time
stray arch
Street Brawl is good for that style of play
ivory reef
Rivals is like overwatch it's a vehicle to get you into a forever teamfight that's fun
Yeah exactly
But broadly in deadlock you will be rewarded for thinking about what's actually gonna bring you closer to victory fr fr every time
stray arch
It’s good for playing the most intense aspects of the game but it doesn’t teach you to do the parts of the main game that actually win you matches
warped ridge
If you're very early and can't take camps just let your guardian fall and take t...
This is what I do when the lane is lost. Just hard focus earning what souls I can through denies and let the guardian be a guardian and guard me while I take souls.
Because even if I lose the lane I can still get souls and use the souls to go roam and do other things and that's how I usually end up with mvp or key player while my laning partner ends up with mvp or key player
agile void
I do have to say
if you are losing in like 5 mins your guardian
you kind of have to warn the team because the enemies in your lane are most likely fed
also lane guardian helps as a stopping point for the zipline, until the guardian falls the zipline will always go to the middle at the very least
warped ridge
You should but you don't have to.
Like 100% call missing but like, your teammates should be aware and to over stress about trying to assist your team is gonna get you killed and underperform worse.
Communicate first, always, past that you do what you can.
Or just do what Winged says and stack queue, that way when I get a rem who never participates in teamfights and spends the entire game farming I can still have people on voice that we can coordinate when we're down a player for the majority of the game. That way if rem ever does teamfight they at least can hopefully do something with the souls they acquired.
And if not, oh well, gg go next, we knew what we were getting into by not having a 6 stack
Someone can legit queue while at the airport and not realize they queue'd pvp instead of bots, things happen, its fine
My most common deaths in deadlock are because I underperform by trying to play with a random who looks like they're wanting to fight but peels off last moment
It's one of those things you just accept
Also I'm curious
Did they like
Increase the amount of farmable things at some point?
vivid nimbus
I think overwatch may have done this?
I know Team Fortress 2 and Wolfenstein ET did wave respawns, I'm not sure about Overwatch but I think so?
warped ridge
I feel like more recently I can actually breathe a bit when farming but awhile back it felt like farm was a real struggle to get
vivid nimbus
They reduced jungle creep HP, reward, and respawn time all by 30%
About a month ago
warped ridge
Ahh yeah that's prob it
It used to feel like I was checking under every dumpster for scraps of souls but now it's like there's souls around every other corner
somber creek
Mina pays rent
finite patrol
Silver would be a pretty bad roommate
stray arch
Vyper’s gotta be up there right?
finite patrol
yeup
earnest verge
Silver would be a pretty bad roommate
I feel like she'd mostly never be around (either at work or in a pub) and just be kinda stinky while she is
granite heath
She does explicitly do bounty hunting so she can have a home.
agile void
Silver would have bottles of beer around your house
you would need to clean up her mess most likely
literally she is saying "I prefer to summon a god than do my laundry" in her select voicelines
earnest verge
yeah but I feel like Billy's mess would be far worse. Maybe I'm being prejudiced against Billy, though
warped ridge
Depends
Billy seems too performative to be chill so I would say him but I would have to see it
earnest verge
and you could probably guilt her into cleaning up a bit of hers occasionally while you'd basically have to hope that Billy would be in a random good mood one day, because he'd just argue with you no matter how you approached the subject
warped ridge
I've had roommates that are worse than silver that like, don't understand things due to just geolocational differences
somber creek
Actually Billy pays taxes
warped ridge
Like leaving fruit that spoils in humidity
agile void
yeah billy pays taxes
somber creek
so we should assume he also pays rent
so I think Silver and Vyper are worse
since they wouldn't
finite patrol
Billy yelling at you because you didn't fold up all of your socks and left pair loose
earnest verge
Silver's entire thing is paying rent basically haha
somber creek
but also Silver and Vyper would be better because they're hotter
earnest verge
Vyper wouldn't have an apartment so she's out
final osprey
Billy makes a joke about paying taxes. That does not mean he actually does it.
somber creek
so really it's anyone's guess
finite patrol
dude it's my laundry fuck off
somber creek
Billy makes a joke about paying taxes. That does not mean he actually does it.
Billy insists he pays taxes to like 5 different characters
it's an actual character trait
ivory reef
I know Team Fortress 2 and Wolfenstein ET did wave respawns, I'm not sure about ...
Group respawn was a mechanic in non-competitive game modes, causing players who are eliminated close to each other to respawn together. This results in some players having either a slightly longer or shorter queue than the standard 10 seconds. The purpose of group respawn is to reduce snowballing that happens due to uncoordinated teams being unable to group up by themselves.[4] Group respawn was replaced by Wave Respawn mechanic in Season 12.
etc etc
final osprey
Billy insists he pays taxes to like 5 different characters
The only quote I can see where he says he pays taxes is a Haze kill line, at least on the deadlock wiki
ivory reef
people are used to games that like. broadly just kinda gently nudge them into having fun even with mindless go-get-into-a-fight play
somber creek
The only quote I can see where he says he pays taxes is a Haze kill line, at lea...
Also Holiday's bounce pad lines
Also I believe another Holiday line and a Warden line
bleak thicket
Mina pays rent
lets be honest, mina collects rent
finite patrol
> Group respawn was a mechanic in non-competitive game modes, causing players wh...
I love game design
terse aspen
Ok, now who would be the best roommate in the Deadlock roster?
finite patrol
yeah Mina is your Land lord.
terse aspen
Or did I already miss that conversation
finite patrol
Paige
terse aspen
Mina probably lives in a mcmansion
final osprey
Ok, now who would be the best roommate in the Deadlock roster?
Dynamo
somber creek
Silver because it means I get to look at Silver.
final osprey
Paige would be an awful room mate because she's a narc
ivory reef
even league of legends literally has, like, game mechanics that check if people aren't in their lanes during laning stage and it debuffs them
vivid nimbus
That was added this year but yeah
agile void
Paige would be an awful room mate because she's a narc
what?
finite patrol
for real?
agile void
you mean narcisist?
bleak thicket
no, shed tell on you
terse aspen
even league of legends literally has, like, game mechanics that check if people ...
I remember this actually being kind of controversial because it invalidated some niche strategies that didn't usually see play anyway
final osprey
you mean narcisist?
narc means like snitch. It comes from a shortening of Narcotic Agent, like someone who investigates Narcotics based crimes.
vivid nimbus
I remember this actually being kind of controversial because it invalidated some...
And worse, there's at least one niche strategy that didn't usually see play, but it debuffed the counterplay to it instead
terse aspen
Oof lol
quiet sapphire
yeah league's solutions to things are just to
stop you from doing the thing
instead of addressing anything underlying
ivory reef
agile void
doesnt league just outright not allow you to buy items?
agile void
because they are from a differet class?
quiet sapphire
200 years game design
ivory reef
"if you're a jungler you must legally buy a jungle item before we let you buy anything else"
vivid nimbus
And this is a few years after "you need smite to be allowed to buy a jungle item"
terse aspen
"And if you don't pick smite, we will randomly replace one of your other spells with it"
quiet sapphire
senna's being played as an ADC?
warped ridge
I'm iffy on that cause I know I had a few times in league where top laner took smite to early steal jg buffs
quiet sapphire
nuke her
agile void
Also I keep hearing about some pendragon guy when I read about LoL in the deadlock subreddit
warped ridge
And then win the lane off that
ivory reef
yeah anyway it's hard to like. overstate how dota and deadlock may be your first experience with a game that doesn't sorta coddle you and try to shape automatic play into good play
merry verge
Some junglers could opt out of smite and just 1v1 the enemy jungler
vivid nimbus
I'm iffy on that cause I know I had a few times in league where top laner took s...
And also various smite support strategies
agile void
and how apparently teemo was sorta stolen by league
ivory reef
I don't think these kinds of designs are bad designs they're just like, designs built for coordinating people who don't coordinate and rewarding people for doing the thing they want to do
which is not bad ceteris paribus
if that's the game you build that's the game you get
vivid nimbus
I think the funniest smite support strategy was on bltizcrank (think pudge/bebop)
ivory reef
and that's fun
I think that like, it's probably a reasonable position to say marvel rivals is more immediately fun than deadlock
vivid nimbus
You can protect yourself from blitz hook by hiding behind minions, smite support blitz would use smite to instantly kill a minion before hooking
agile void
so basically cult sac in distance a minion?
vivid nimbus
It was never optimal or meta, but it's very funny
bleak thicket
whats the range on smite?
terse aspen
Honestly, I am enjoying Deadlock a lot more than Marvel Rivals so far.
terse aspen
whats the range on smite?
Not as long as Blitz's hook I'm pretty sure
warped ridge
My favorite moba is still smite but I do like Deadlock if I want to be comp about a moba
agile void
Honestly, I am enjoying Deadlock a lot more than Marvel Rivals so far.
tbh deadlock is allowing you more fun by comparison
vivid nimbus
whats the range on smite?
Medium range? It's shorter than blitz hook but he's also reaching past the minon he's smiting anyway
agile void
With like being able to parkour
warped ridge
Also comparing deadlock to like marvel rivals
I can 100% have more fun in deadlock than marvel rivals
Because there's no surrender option yet
merry verge
I forgot Rivals has surrender is that only in ranked
terse aspen
The time to kill for Marvel Rivals felt way too low. Which, normally I prefer in shooters, but it feels really out of theme for a superhero game.
bleak thicket
Medium range? It's shorter than blitz hook but he's also reaching past the minon...
asking mostly cause dota has hand of midas
that lets you install kill one lane creep or neutral
but using it to do a pudge hook would be so wasteful lol
warped ridge
So if I out perform an enemy team and get to do what I want for a full match at best they can just d/c.
Then on the flipside, if I'm losing in deadlock getting a sneaky kill on some fed enemy player is more satisfying
agile void
asking mostly cause dota has hand of midas
that lets you install kill one lane c...
so hand of midas is dotas cultist sacrifice?
terse aspen
but using it to do a pudge hook would be so wasteful lol
A good blitz hook can guarantee a kill early, and kills are really valuable in League
quiet sapphire
so hand of midas is dotas cultist sacrifice?
yeah
bleak thicket
so hand of midas is dotas cultist sacrifice?
yeah!
warped ridge
A good blitz hook can guarantee a kill early, and kills are really valuable in L...
Jg invasion blitzcrank I saw so many times
agile void
I just remembered that mod that turned the images on the shop to dota equivalents
bleak thicket
ivory reef
I prefer cultist ngl
it's more interesting
the buff it gets you is really fascinating
bleak thicket
cultist is more interesting ye
ivory reef
hand of midas is strictly a farming tool
bleak thicket
midas is just farm efficiency
vivid nimbus
Anyway smite support blitz can also use smite for other smite support reasons (securing jungle buffs and objectives, killing cannon creep for pushing wave), but it's still not as good as ignite or exhaust
agile void
uh
Only similar thing with mina and marceline is being both vampires, I dont think she fits
warped ridge
I want a mod for the old haze model
lavish grove
Chat, y’all prioritize stamina or movement speed generally?
finite grotto
I am having fun with deadlock and I am also having insanely fun in league
its a very nice switchup depending on what I wanna do
magic summit
Chat, y’all prioritize stamina or movement speed generally?
It depends on the character
Tanky ones I want to just move fast
lavish shale
Because there's no surrender option yet
I do wish they would add surrender tbh
Even if I know they won't, since Dota doesn't have it either
magic summit
On someone that doesnt want to take damage then stamina
lavish grove
I do wish they would add surrender tbh
Even if I know they won't, since Dota doe...
I know people say they shouldn’t because it’d encourage giving up
But like, even if a game is winnable
I don’t always wanna stick around for the comeback lol
finite grotto
I would really like a surrender
lavish grove
Sometimes I wanna just stop and go next
finite patrol
I'm hard against surrender in games like this.
finite grotto
if you are really worried do it like league and put a timegate on it I think
atm it sucks so bad if people just leave
that said i am also def coloured by being held hostage in a game recently
lavish grove
On someone that doesnt want to take damage then stamina
Also I see
finite grotto
I really need to buy stam items more
somber creek
Generally it's like this:
finite grotto
I think I only go like stam mastery on silver so far
somber creek
Stamina is for people who need to just be mobile for short bursts, like assassins or supports or just need to not Die during a fight
Movespeed is for melee and shotgun champs who need to stick to people for sustained durations while doing damage
somber creek
Sprint speed is for roaming people who need to quickly relocate to parts of the map
lavish shale
Fleetfoot is great for a bunch of characters
edgy fog
terse aspen
I know that if enough of your teammates leave, the game pops up a message saying that you can leave without penalty
lavish shale
It's after someone leaves for long enough
magic summit
if you are really worried do it like league and put a timegate on it I think
My biggest argument against a surrender is because of league tbh
finite patrol
surrender ime only creates more nongames and toxic behaviour
magic summit
Every time ive hopped back into league over the years has been a similar sentiment of a third of the games being given up the moment the enemy has even the scent of a lead
merry verge
Does Deadlock tell ya if your reports amount to things? Had a virulently racist Graves I'd like to know can't speak anymore
agile void
I dont think they do currently, no
merry verge
Ah well, I trust the systems
agile void
honestly depends because I keep seeing in reddit about people being toxic or hackers
lavish shale
Every time ive hopped back into league over the years has been a similar sentime...
If at least 4/5 people wanna get out of the game, that's fine with me
agile void
If at least 4/5 people wanna get out of the game, that's fine with me
if its 2 or 1 its just that one person sitting in spawn afking while moving every once in a while to not get kicked out automatically by the game
somber creek
I think if people are playing with a toy and aren't having fun playing with the toy and want to move on it's fine
finite patrol
Yeah nah finish your games & you'll surprise yourself. Some of the funnest games are hard-fought comebacks that might never have happened if you could just give up and bail out when you think youre behind.
terse aspen
I don't mind playing a badly losing game of Deadlock as much as a badly losing game of League. Getting repeatedly killed under walker by Apollo is frustrating, but not as frustrating as getting repeatedly killed under tower by, uhhhh... who's a League character who does that... Mundo?
terse aspen
But I do agree, if the game is not fun any more, you should be able to stop playing
Although the bigger issue there is probably people surrendering and then immediately requeuing instead of taking a break
agile void
https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1fognz3/banned_toxic_player_se...
"Anyone who disagrees with me is a snowflake"
somber creek
I think if you want to try and pull it back it's on you to actually motivate people to keep playing and not want to surrender in the first place
lavish shale
Yeah nah finish your games & you'll surprise yourself. Some of the funnest games...
I'd rather not be forced to stick with a losing game for another 20 minutes at least
Yes some of those can be turned around, but I don't care
somber creek
I find it a weird mindset to think that you should be able to force strangers to continue doing a thing they aren't having fun doing personally
lavish grove
Yah, being beat hard in a moba isn’t fun
Even if there’s still a possibility of victory
If some 8/0 Billy is just diving me repeatedly and beating me to death with a bat I don’t particularly care to make a comeback
I just wanna move onto a game where I’m not dying constantly
terse aspen
https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1f0enjm/hilarious_moment_from_...
Publicly executed
autumn field
https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1f0enjm/hilarious_moment_from_...
I love yoshi just calling them out and deleting any chance they had at recovery
agile void
but this was like 2 years ago when the game was still in the "NDA"
I dont know how reports are handled or if people have received bans or restrictions
finite patrol
I find it a weird mindset to think that you should be able to force strangers to...
I approach it more from the direction of having ff as an option changes how people play and view leads. Yes. Sometimes you're fucked. the game is no fun, and everyone wants out. But having ff around means that people will view smaller leads as more severe and cheat themselves out of a good time and a good learning experience. its very frustrating to have your teammates give up when they could have won. And I find playing games with FF some people can have a lost lane = lost game attitude where that's less prevalent in Dota/Deadlock.
Forfeit is good to have on a per match basis and bad to have for the game as a whole. I also find that it can lead to some pretty toxic behavior of people giving up even earlier in the game.
I dont want to force people to not have fun. I always want everyone to have more fun, but I think forfeit makes team games less fun.
astral lava
my league experience was so tremendously full of surrenders all the time yeah. just keep playing the game
had a horrific game the other day, enemy vyper went 7/0 in lane, truly terrifying us. then she didnt get any other lills rest of the game
ivory reef
I do wish they would add surrender tbh
Even if I know they won't, since Dota doe...
Dota actually does allow surrenders, you need to be a 5 stack though
And yeah nikh basically has the dota design headspace down. League encouraged people to approach games like Battle Royale games where you die and then just restart
median lantern
I find it a weird mindset to think that you should be able to force strangers to...
I’m sorta sympathetic to that but it’s also frustrating to see people give up and check out of a definitely winnable game especially in cultures of play which are more surrender happy
vast sandal
Deadlock is really hard to win the match in early enough that it’s a miserable slog to loss for the next 20 minutes
Like really really hard
median lantern
Though my personal opinion is that surrenders are just there to end games where the team with the lead is playing with their food and nothing else
lavish shale
Dota actually does allow surrenders, you need to be a 5 stack though
which means it doesn't exist for the majority of games
vast sandal
Comeback urns, map junk, buffs, etc. all exist and let you come back hard
You can lose lane and just go “alright no one’s gonna see me for the next 10 minutes and when I come back I’ll rip their carry’s head off”
median lantern
The game straight up has comeback gold haha
vivid nimbus
Though sometimes it gets pretty bad and you have stuff like the losing team can't feasibly contest their own comeback urn even with members alive
median lantern
I think it’s sorta wild but also smart that kills and farm are just worth more if you’re behind
ivory reef
the dota perspective is that games where you're stuck not being able to do anything at all for 20 minutes with no capacity to come back is a fault of the game that needs to be solved with mechanics and not surrender systems
though, again, you are just allowed to surrender if you're in a 5 stack
because then there's no cultural bullying element to it
median lantern
Since it also means you can’t rest on your laurels with a lead as much and just walletfight
lavish shale
Deadlock is really hard to win the match in early enough that it’s a miserable s...
it happens often enough to me, so shrug
finite patrol
I had a fun game last night where we were losing early and the streaking vindicta was being toxic and so I bought phantom strike before any 3200s aside from PB and either I or my Paige (with KD) slammed her down every teamfight and we won hard. Very satisfying
astral lava
i wish comeback urns were real 😔
finite patrol
what do u mean
astral lava
just most of my games they still belong to whichever team is currently winning haha
vast sandal
comeback urns are extremely real
ivory reef
it's a careful balancing act
vast sandal
just gotta facilitate them with your team and get the map presence
ivory reef
there has been like, one patch where comeback mechanics were too strong in dota and it truly sucked. like you had teams throwing the early game in a calculated manner to get comeback bonuses to win the lategame
you end up with truly bizarre wincons
merry verge
Am I wrong in thinking Escalating Exposure works too well?
Like it counters counterbuilding but -also- makes you do a shitload more damage
ivory reef
comeback mechanics are designed to smooth the brutality rate a bit so that, like, you always have a 20% chance of getting back into the game with a cool fight
finite patrol
oh yeah. comeback urn only really free between 10%-20% soul deficit. once youre under 20% soul deficit it can be hard to win an urn even if its on your side. you can still do it though, you just have to coordinate it
merry verge
Armor Piercing Rounds is way more specific
ivory reef
Am I wrong in thinking Escalating Exposure works too well?
dispel magic
lavish shale
just gotta facilitate them with your team and get the map presence
difficult to get map presence when you're behind
merry verge
dispel magic
When three folks build it it's hard to keep up orz
finite patrol
escalating exposure is realistically kind of a weak 6400
ivory reef
dispel magic is a cheap solution to all 3 of them
finite patrol
but if youre running the lobby its great
ivory reef
if 3 of them are all doing it to you at once you're dead no matter what
random urchin
Unless you're up against like a max stamina Celeste then usually there will be a time when the other team leaves urn wide open
vast sandal
difficult to get map presence when you're behind
not necessarily, you can get map presence without winning fights
vast sandal
if the enemy team is tunnel visioning a walker and you're splitpushing, you have the map presence
ivory reef
losing is bad, winning is good
playing from behind is more challenging
my usual piece of structural advice is: take bigger risks when you're losing. the risk is lower and the rewards are higher
you need to be bold and sometimes do stupid hard calls
vast sandal
if the enemy team thinks they can easily contest an urn and your team is farming jg around the drop point and escorting the urn runner, that's also an easy kill or two
astral lava
ugh I didnt even think about Celeste turboing urns lmao
lavish shale
if the enemy team thinks they can easily contest an urn and your team is farming...
or they just win the urn because they're ahead and you lose more
vast sandal
I mean yes
you can always win or lose
if you assume you'll always lose because you're behind, that necessarily entails continuing to lose forever
you actually do have to say "nah I'd win" when you're behind
ivory reef
tbh if you're so far behind you can't take any fights at all then yeah systems conspiring to make your enemy win quicker is a way of getting you out of the game faster. luna's right
and you can also break it down into smaller stuff
like "chances of victory are low, time to practice my movement in the next fight"
vast sandal
take the right fights, don't square up 1v1 if you're all a little weaker than your opponents
vast sandal
but also, you do actually have to assert yourselves a little or you will just continue getting folded unto death
ivory reef
like you win more if you try and keep good mental, always
astral lava
funny experience last night: have queued multiple times with a friend in a higher elo with me, discovered while queuing with another friend that friend 1 is still not in the crazy people ranks
finite patrol
what is crazy people rank
astral lava
annihilated as a poor innocent rem by viscous punches into paradox ults, forever
frail jasper
like you win more if you try and keep good mental, always
If morale fractures then comeback becomes a dim prospect, this is why I'm spending the entire game telling my random queue teammates good job when they get kills or objectives even if we're losing
astral lava
people being Actually Good and synchronized
people actually walljumping for crazy escapes etc
finite patrol
good viscous / paradox are terrifying lol
astral lava
was just in a fundamental space of "oh people move too fast for me to hit them easily in chris' ranks"
vast sandal
Paradox can really lay the hurt on you if her team responds quickly to a Kinetic Carbine hit
that brief Time Stop is enough to set up much much worse things
astral lava
ive got a fake disease where I cant learn shit and my aim never improves regardless of how many shooters I play for years. tragic
lavish shale
ive got a fake disease where I cant learn shit and my aim never improves regardl...
Feel that
My aim is also dogshit, hence why I only play Victor and statcheck people now
autumn field
I think on average an urn is supposed to be about 10% the average team value, right?
magic summit
Its actually very stat inefficient for most of the game, and the stacking component is to the individual and not more shred
magic summit
When three folks build it it's hard to keep up orz
Meant to reply to this with that
lavish shale
It just sucks for me because I would like to play M1 heroes but just absolutely can't
finite patrol
hey Graves is a great m1 hero
warped ridge
my usual piece of structural advice is: take bigger risks when you're losing. th...
I'm honestly not super sure how much people can get away with but that's mainly a lack of times where I've really needed to.
For me it would be selling a damage item for unstoppable and trying to snipe mid buff if we catch them doing it early enough
But Idk if you can parry someone who has unstoppable or if it would block the punch or what
lavish shale
hey Graves is a great m1 hero
My tracking isn't good enough for Graves either tbh
frail jasper
I'm honestly not super sure how much people can get away with but that's mainly ...
It blocks the damage on whoever parried but doesn't stun you and would still hit the rejuvenator
vast sandal
my aim's actually pretty decent after descending into the Tribes mines for a while
warped ridge
Gotcha so yeah maybe like, that
vast sandal
it used to be shit now I can pretty solidly deny souls while sliding
warped ridge
Or like, purposely dying to prevent bridge buffs or something
frail jasper
Pivot into unstoppable to dive a rejuv contest is a great hail mary play
warped ridge
It's the only thing I can think of
terse aspen
Just finished an absolutely wild match
I had highest souls in lobby for most of the game as Ivy
warped ridge
Deadlock isn't league where I can just play jg with smite and just, walk into a camp and snipe the buff before getting away
frail jasper
Purposefully dying is probably not a good one though cuz being dead for a minute is a huge window of time
terse aspen
There were at least 2 instances where I solo killed an ulting Drifter or Silver
terse aspen
2 people from my team disconnected and so did 1 from the enemy team, and then the game still went on for another 10 minutes
finite grotto
Deadlock isn't league where I can just play jg with smite and just, walk into a ...
one of the best feelings for sure
terse aspen
Just a bizarre match
warped ridge
Idk maybe can do some risky plays with doorman by trying to solo bait their carry through a door or something
frail jasper
That's always doorman's thing, being a trickery slippery bastard
warped ridge
Yeah like I can think of some 300 iq plays from him
Or drifter using his 2 on a team doing rejuvenator and trying to snipe it that way
frail jasper
All the more satisfying when I slowing hex pillow naptime his ass
plain furnace
I just got in one of those games I talked bout a few days ago
Only this time, I was on the hard-pushed lane
ONLY
we won
finite grotto
lesgo
plain furnace
I was with Paige, playing Vyper, and got hard pushed (lost the Walker around the 10min mark) by a Seven/Bebop "Fun dynamic" (grab go boom go boom)
But, by stalling, farming, and pushing waves, again and again, slowly, we took the upper hand
autumn field
if the enemy team doesnt learn to commit to a push
they lose real easily
ive won a few games because they couldnt take advantage of a soul lead
meanwhile the reason i cant is because im bad
plain furnace
The Bebop was really competent I felt
The Apollo not so much,
Seven was Seven
autumn field
Apollo is a hit or miss tbh
plain furnace
There was no particular soul discrepancy
Until the very end, there was 5k difference at most, I'd say
vast sandal
the duality of Seven:
Seven player who wins early hard and then doesn't turn that into a snowball
Seven player who loses early hard and then vanishes from the game, reappears at 25 minutes with enough damage to stop your team dead
stray arch
23 minute brawl game
Game or a single round?
autumn field
the duality of Seven:
Seven player who wins early hard and then doesn't turn tha...
fucking mood lol
i play like the second one tbh
still swan
I swap between the two personally
vast sandal
ideally, one strives to win lane, get the enemy's farm and their own, become Fat Seven and pat your fat belly while you throw lightning balls that hit like a bus
autumn field
bigballs seven is the objectively best build
vast sandal
eh, gun hybrid seven is a menace
still swan
I do Ball/Gun hybrid personally
autumn field
because you can make them suck deez thunder ballz
still swan
My balls buff my gun
vast sandal
Tesla Bullets, Bullet Resist Shredder and Ballistic Enchant balls is a motherfucker
oh and Recharging Rush
gotta get Recharging Rush
autumn field
double 3
still swan
True
vast sandal
you don't NEED tesla bullets, but it lets you spread the Bullet Resist Shredder love without orb
vast sandal
mm, qs reload recharging rush
get the surge of power in there
I should cook up a Seven true hybrid Leech build
throw some LIGHTNING
still swan
I also get both Leech and Infusion
autumn field
yknow the builds i use are usually pure spirit
still swan
It makes Seven a lot harder to kill
autumn field
but hybrid makes a lot of sense
vast sandal
Leech Infuser Seven sure isn't easy to kill
because the second a ball lands he's just
still swan
I can regenerate faster than you can shoot me
vast sandal
patting his fat fucking lich belly "oughhh I'm so full of lifesteal"
still swan
Yep
autumn field
i want to make a green build that people look at like, "what the fuck man"
still swan
Inflates Seven and makes him big and round (and full of spirit damage)
autumn field
with both leech, infuser, and vampire
still swan
Never considered Vampire
autumn field
and plated, spellbreaker
still swan
Might try that though
plain furnace
because the second a ball lands he's just
Sir, a second ball has hit the Midboss
plain furnace
There should be memes/semi-inspirational/bullshit quotes around the games (There certainly are) where it's "You're only 16% of a good teamwork"
finite patrol
Just lost as a strong seven
needledrop deadlock review when
autumn field
There should be memes/semi-inspirational/bullshit quotes around the games (There...
“Seven’s balls will always be bigger than yours”
“Lash is an Asshole”
“To win games, don’t overextend”
Loading screen tips that should be obvious but nobody actually listens to
plain furnace
"Don't forget to teamwork with your waves"
bleak thicket
Game or a single round?
game, single round wouldve been actual death 
plain furnace
What happens, if Sinclair copies his own ult (I understand it's not possible outside of training and customs), but, like, does it just copies it, and he gets the charge back, basically ?
autumn field
ok damn i really wanna try sinclair
frail jasper
Sinclair is rather good though a lot of power comes from what the enemy team comp is and if you know who to steal from and also how to use their ult
Else, you do some bullshit like echo shard rabbits and be a menace
Don't steal haze or venator ult unless you have no other choice cuz they scale on weapon damage (which you don't usually have)
frail jasper
Bebop is an okay candidate yes
finite grotto
oh for the Seven people this is how the game went
frail jasper
If you steal Celeste ult, you can press 4 and hold it indefinitely even after your "stolen" time elapsed
So press 4 and just run around with it
finite grotto
I do feel like the main culprit of the loss is that I couldnt really engage nicely in fights. Drifter, Yamato and Appollo were jut diving me :c
should have maybe thought to buy etheral shift or something tho tbh
autumn field
If you steal Celeste ult, you can press 4 and hold it indefinitely even after yo...
oh thats funny
ok wait
who has an ult sinclair can use better than the owner due to item priorities
sinclairs love grabbing graves ults
finite grotto
Drifter maybe? you are fullish spirit and prob also have duration etc
autumn field
that's at least how it goes in my lobbies
finite grotto
and you can proc the bleed from far
autumn field
i never see spirit ginnis
random urchin
Spirit ginnis is basically fully committing to your ult winning everything for you
finite patrol
@merry verge @finite grotto @plain furnace @feral umbra @rocky cobalt Just a reminder yall got stack timing in 55 minutes but I shan't be around to arrange!
plain furnace
My connection has stabilized, I can play two games
finite grotto
I am here!
lavish shale
i never see spirit ginnis
I find her gun just way better to build around
autumn field
titanic + active reload...
finite patrol
spirit ginnis lil stinky
lavish shale
only downside of gun McGinnis is your 1 and 4 are kinda useless now
finite patrol
u can do it but its soooo bad from behind / parity
finite grotto
after being dumpstered by it i do wanna try gocket
finite patrol
only downside of gun McGinnis is your 1 and 4 are kinda useless now
its okay 2 and 3 are your good spells
plain furnace
It's sad for the turrets to be less prevalent
They must feel sad
frail jasper
who has an ult sinclair can use better than the owner due to item priorities
Not item priority, but you can put your Assistant in your spawn, then zip out to a fight, steal paradox swap, and when you press 4 immediately press 2 while the projectile is still flying to return to your assistant. Then the swap projectile hits someone and they get swapped with you across the map into your spawn
autumn field
Not item priority, but you can put your Assistant in your spawn, then zip out to...
ok what the fuck is this strat
lavish shale
Not item priority, but you can put your Assistant in your spawn, then zip out to...
Dota fountain hook ahh strat
bleak thicket
Not item priority, but you can put your Assistant in your spawn, then zip out to...
@granite heath
somber creek
Man I am on a streak of like expontentially more toxic people per game
frail jasper
ok what the fuck is this strat
This is how Sinclair brains need to work
finite patrol
autumn field
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1005257138748264458/1472750118871629945/R...
what the fuck
still swan
Zombie Apocalypse
frail jasper
It really is just game knowledge of what kind of fuckery you can cheese out of abilities
lavish shale
this is why I don't play Sinclair tbh
bleak thicket
quiet sapphire
frail jasper
Remember to buy monster rounds and defang the battle space whenever McGinnis thinks she wants to go turret build
merry verge
Hwaa some delays on the stack, food things have happened
also getting low frames today >:|a
finite grotto
i will be in the vc shortly!
still swan
autumn field
god dont remind me of that mirage rem video (joking)
finite grotto
ok weird venator i guess interaction?
you can kinda pull people with a combo of the 2 and 4 on venator if you shoot the 2 and then spamm your ult shoot
lavish grove
Chat, I’m not insane, the game used to need last hits to get max souls on minions?
lavish shale
you only need to lasthit to stop the enemy from denying now
frail jasper
Now you don't need to last hit, but
- souls that drop have a pickup range and limited lifetime
- souls that float can be hit and denied by enemies
If you melee last hit, you automatically secure the floaty souls
Prioritize securing your green floaty souls over denying enemy floaty souls if you can (it's easier cuz the timing is favored)
lavish grove
They removed last hitting with the lane update
Yah I knew it
agile void
Chat, I’m not insane, the game used to need last hits to get max souls on minion...
it was back when 4 lanes was a thing
they slowly got rid of that alongside denying souls on guardians/walkers/kills
before everyone exploded like a pinata so you had allies getting close to you so when you die you light meleed to secure the souls
it was also kind of tbagging in a way
you kill the dude then you light meleed their corpse
vivid nimbus
Punching the corpse until money falls out makes it feel like a weird mugging
gray otter
thats... very deadlock tbh
fits the Complete Rat Fuck vibe a lot of the characters have
agile void
Punching the corpse until money falls out makes it feel like a weird mugging
to be fair in context you are technically beating the shit out of some people passing their time in the forest of dota
and that is actual gold so you are mugging a family of 4
merry verge
Yeaaah Deadlock is a lot more accessible feeling now that Souls aren't like a constantly rotating thing
That was a weiiird era
plain furnace
rotating ?
I played a bit a year ago, but I have not that much memories from that time
merry verge
I don't know enough to properly explain, but it used to be optimal to like.. constantly be pooling in an out of lanes and whatnot, just added a lot of weird optimizations to get infinite souls compared to the enemy
My memory of it is mostly 'everyone yelling at eachother for being in the wrong place' so it may color things poorly
I think they called it Funneling
autumn field
what makes lash ult so strong anyways?
finite patrol
it takes all the bad guys and puts them in one place so you can do all your bad stuff to them at the same time
it also comes with a very mobile aoe spirit nuker kit which does a lot of bad stuff
rich grove
lash has a passive facet which makes the entire enemy team start with -3200 souls and one less item slot
you either buy the item that stops him from ruining any kind of fight with a central objective or you die
autumn field
which item, knockdown?
rich grove
counterspell lol
rich grove
you don't really want to depend on your ability to find him in the middle of a teamfight is my thought process
it's really good to stick it on him if you're not the guy getting caught
rich grove
like if you're on the outskirts of a fight and he doesn't yank you, absolutely, great to knock him down and force him to pull the trigger or waste ult altogether
but if you're likely to be the target of his ire i find it way more reliable to just press F and hand him the L
autumn field
i guess his 1 can deal up to like, 1000 damage or something
rich grove
in particular, any walker fight is just kind of terrifying while he has ult
autumn field
i just find him a lot harder to use "properly" versus say, apollo
rich grove
because the mechanics of walker immunity force you to stand in a place where he can yank you with impunity
and if he tosses your team into the walker it can potentially just be ggs
frail jasper
The ult is scary but something I like doing is sending Silence Wave or something at him if I have nothing more specific. It makes it so even if he throws 4 people he can't follow it up with a nuclear ground slam
random urchin
When do you counterspell the lash slam?
merry verge
The ult is scary but something I like doing is sending Silence Wave or something...
watching him just deflatedly fall to the ground is so good, you know he's jonesing for the slam
rich grove
after you hear DING DING DING you can pretty reliably press F and parry the spell unless he really fucking sits on it
frail jasper
When do you counterspell the lash slam?
when it would pull you
rich grove
the duration of counterspell is super long
frail jasper
not "press F when it would pull you" since yeah there's a < 1 second window where it counts
rich grove
you can use the rope being attached to you as a visual cue but I react faster and drilled it off of audio
finite patrol
I thought u had to parry at the second ding
frail jasper
just general counterspell usage, you gotta test around with it some to learn when the mark is for it
like I consistently mistime this for seven's stun
rich grove
I think in most teamfights he wants to lock on more people so there might be some delay from that
if he only solo ults someone that's a pretty big benefit compared to the alternative of everyone getting shamoned
the other thing about Lash ult is that its aoe is a cone with no vertical range limit and Lash unlike say Bebop or Seven has the tools to start channelling it from that height
Knockdown/Phantom Strike specifically had to be patched to ignore height in their range calculations otherwise Lashes would just be up so high it wouldn't actually be possible to nug them with the supposed counter item
astral lava
doesnt lash ult just completely fall off if you use it before it picks you up? thought it was any time during the dings
rich grove
no?
as far as I know the actual thing you are countering is the yoink
when he clicks m1
astral lava
also god graves feels like ass to play. literally just annoying but then not actually accomplishing anything oin lane or late game
finite patrol
whaaa
Graves is unbelievably strong lategame
her early game sucks but shes impossible to fight once shes full build
autumn field
her early game sucks but shes impossible to fight once shes full build
what build?
astral lava
basically anyone on the enemy team could just effortlessly 1v1 me lol. no escapes and a root you can only land if THEY mess up
try to put my ult anywhere and just get caught by one guy and die
this is what i had. now not helping things of course is that often it would be a victor who wold come stop me. but like, mina, infernus, lash. just gone
finite patrol
what build?
deathy build in the pin
autumn field
Is that spirit or gun or hybrid?
astral lava
that is what i was using
autumn field
I can’t check it rn
astral lava
mostly gun
autumn field
Oh yeah that’s insane shit on graves
finite patrol
you get duration and cd so that your other skills are really annoying
and then you take all their gun damage and spirit res
astral lava
do i need to like blank out names if i screencap a scoreboard here
autumn field
Yeah I run that, roughly
finite grotto
ye one of the main reason i couldnt win the 99 minute game
Actually Thanos
she didnt even really have onhit spamm damm
astral lava
jesus
merry verge
I don't think I've seen a Graves build unstoppable so disarm has been a great friend
astral lava
obviously victor is an outlier. it's late game victor. you aren't doing shit about that. but the rest of this. deeply frustrating.
finite grotto
we had their second patron at like half health
but no way to end
the graves was content sittring on their patron for 50 minutes
not joining fights or anything
just so we couldnt backdoor. We tried the disarm but then viktor was just buying enough time 
astral lava
is it just that i didn't buy enough onhit things
uuugh why didnt i buy inhi instead of curse. i'm stupid. completely forgot it has heal reduction too
merry verge
having three opponents that Basically Fly doesn't help Graves' efforts
ivory reef
Yeah
Ooh would love to see a video on all the history I missed
If anyone has any
That sounds fascinating
I completely missed 4 lane deadlock
finite patrol
I do sometimes still miss the old solo lanes
it was pretty mechanically intensive
current laning is way better though
astral lava
solo lanes were dooooogshit
just impossible to deal with if they were better than you
finite patrol
I was usually better hahaha
but yes it could be very one sided and I know its better for the game this way
astral lava
also the pre-game lane swaps werent always in
so you could be like, a super squishy vs mo and krill lol
rich grove
i stopped playing haze because of solo lanes lmfao
finite patrol
I played mirage so I was usually on the good end of things lol
astral lava
what does the mystic reverb debuff look like when it's on you
finite patrol
big red circle
astral lava
is it just a circle? no icon or anything?
died like 3 times to it when i theoretically could have counterspelled it off
finite patrol
there should be a mystic reverb icon somewhere but I can't remember exactly without going in and doing it to me
you can sandbox it with mimic yamato
astral lava
you can control bots in sandbox? huh
finite patrol
Make Mimic
they will buy same items and press same button as you
you can also swap control
astral lava
well i can see the red ring at the feet but it is for some reason not actually affecting me with the reverb when it hits me. so idk
maybe since it's an imbue they cant use it
agile void
dusky flume
Good news: got a match in with Mo Krill. They're fun!
Bad news: Had people on both teams unplugging, so the whole thing was a wash
merry verge
This Shiv in night shift is teaching me why they can't buff shiv
warped ridge
It will not keel
finite patrol
shiv in high level play is ridiculous
merry verge
The shotgun movement alone
autumn field
What the fuck does shiv do in high levels
I know an Enkidu is always kinda nutty
But I don’t know how he operates
astral lava
tank, utility, fly around at lightning speed, ult
autumn field
No I get that I meant the finer details that make him so good
astral lava
bloodletting also crazy good when you are good at the game
frail jasper
The damage delay from his 3
Rage effects
The other day I heard something to the effect of "the only difference between high rank shiv and low rank shiv is movement [tech]."
Being able to schmoove properly means he becomes frighteningly lethal and hard to kill
autumn field
Christ 90% of his patch history has been pure nerfs
autumn field
Being able to schmoove properly means he becomes frighteningly lethal and hard t...
Huh, so it’s all movement tech, that’s really interesting
I assume the damage delay is because it lets you virtually cancel like, 30% of a haze ult?
frail jasper
If the shiv can't schmoove, he's kind of just a guy who sometimes throws knives
frail jasper
I assume the damage delay is because it lets you virtually cancel like, 30% of a...
And similar.
warm sonnet
astral lava
average shiv will also never fill rage. I dont think ive filled rage on him in the last 2 games. he used to be able to get it off creeps which is wild
frail jasper
- get rage
- fight people
- use movement tech to schmoove across the map to the next fight to keep rage going
Repeat
autumn field
I like his shotgun tech
So basically Shiv relies entirely on knowing exactly how to move to ruin people’s lives as a ronin / assassin
warm sonnet
Once you get some decent ROF, you can just turn people into paste with his alt-fire
Ya
ivory reef
He's he/him Mina
warm sonnet
And being way too tough for the amount of health he's currently got
merry verge
Also he's got 4k health
autumn field
So I assume burst fire and hunters aura (AWOOO) is meta on him
ivory reef
The pompadour is his chic umbrella
warm sonnet
The builds I've seen are mostly spirit afaik
autumn field
He's he/him Mina
Ok now you have me imagining he/him butch lesbian shiv
warm sonnet
I just like Shotty of Gunne
autumn field
And I’m like
frail jasper
Hunters aura probably, IDK burst fire. Spirit is good on him cuz the knives are real good but you wanna just be doing everything
autumn field
dusky flume
Mina with a butch cut 
stable forum
going to say
not balancing around lower levels of play is, in my opinion & experience, a faiiirly easy way to kill a game.
autumn field
He/him Mina and his nonbinary theythemfriend with frogs
warm sonnet
Accidentally ran into a neat combo (in streetus brawlitus) of Radiant Regen and Healing Tempo for busted RoF and speed
stable forum
going to say
not balancing around lower levels of play is, in my opinion & exper...
if something is too strong at low levels of play, it can and will cause issues for players at low levels, and can make them not want to play the game.
autumn field
i want to play shiv in street brawl
autumn field
if something is too strong at low levels of play, it can and will cause issues f...
now the question is, who gets that treatment
finite patrol
he's very strong in brawl
autumn field
i think doorman is lovely in terms of balance-ability
surprisingly easy to start using and not terribly
stable forum
I legitimately think balancing a character by making them intentionally harder to play is valid, and this could be applied to Graves, but I think that players might react badly to characters being intentionally made harder to play???
autumn field
just try to throw the bell in people's general direction, and shoot it if they're in the circle
stable forum
graves is probably the easiest character in the game currently. i'm not reallyy familiar with low level balance or whatever?
autumn field
his difficulty increases as people learn to dodge it better, as you learn to door properly, etc
stable forum
mostly just wanted to bring up that balance at the bottom half of the skill bracket still matters >.>
autumn field
his ult is easy, but i presume in higher levels you need to learn the priorities of who to book
stable forum
What the fuck does shiv do in high levels
shiv will always be strong because of the knives honestly
it's mostly knives & the dash partial resets, I think? Slice & Dice still does 700 damage per cast or similar.
stable forum
his ult is easy, but i presume in higher levels you need to learn the priorities...
unsure exactly. I think at higher levels it largely just gets used as a pick ult.
merry verge
rblghbglh had someone in a game keep yelling at me for Baronessing their tank, because 'it did no damage' and no friend it's to give us time to kill the Paige he was hanging out with
stable forum
Doorman gets on someone who is moderately out of position, give time for his allies to set up on them.
stable forum
rblghbglh had someone in a game keep yelling at me for Baronessing their tank, b...
yyeaah, doorman's ult just removing people from the fight is good
autumn field
rblghbglh had someone in a game keep yelling at me for Baronessing their tank, b...
bruh i play refresherman sometimes specifically to troll in teamfights
it's INCREDIBLY mental to have to deal with getting booked every other minute
merry verge
shiv will always be strong because of the knives honestly
it's mostly knives & ...
in the recent Night Shift the team made the mistake of climbing out of midboss together and Slice and Dice killed three of them
stable forum
yeah that sounds about right
autumn field
also like seriously, it's really good as an execute
ivory reef
I should play shiv
stable forum
the reset is just really strong, and it does 700+ damage if he's got the enrage
autumn field
because a bell + door deals like, 800+ damage
finite patrol
movement fans should play shiv
he also has a really satisfying skill shot in knives
stable forum
I also think Shiv eats nerfs because a lot of Shiv players tend to be pretty good though.
finite patrol
very fun hero
stable forum
but idk for sure.
merry verge
I still catch myself going 'so these are like 18% weaker knives, huh'
ivory reef
We're always gonna eat the balance alive
merry verge
as they do 900 damage to me
finite patrol
Apollo does too much damage. Therefore we should nerf Shiv.
stable forum
I still catch myself going 'so these are like 18% weaker knives, huh'
mhm! Knife damage stacks up
autumn field
if you've ever played against a movement octane in apex, you know why good movement is insufferable
stable forum
they dropped the impact damage and the stacking damage some
it's still a lot if he hits you with all the knives.
autumn field
but deadlock is cruel too with movement
finite patrol
if you get 3 knives and a decay on you your ass is grass
merry verge
love u dispel magic
finite patrol
blessed item
autumn field
the reset is just really strong, and it does 700+ damage if he's got the enrage
268.5 w/ 100 spirit, so 500 damage
so yeah 700
finite patrol
divine barrier is goated
vast sandal
I should learn Warden
finite patrol
it is the best support 6400 in general and the second best on doorman
stable forum
I will however insist that it isn't super strong.
it's just like... it's the only thing which does what it does, and you want what it does.
it'd be nice if the shield itself was more impactful late game i feel
but it's still a very good item.
finite patrol
its okay you got a crush you dont gotta play it down
stable forum
a
autumn field
damn thats lovely
finite patrol
love is beautiful
finite patrol
I should learn Warden
you should. it takes 1 game :3c
vast sandal
You just throw flasks at people and shoot em?
merry verge
Flasks, Put people in Jail, Change da Worl
finite patrol
only hard parts of his kit are landing the snare without KD and ulting and both of those are solved by "just wait a little longer" usually
a little restraint goes a long way
ivory reef
Goober Holliday
finite patrol
but binding word can also just say fuck off if youre getting aggrod on
@feral umbra @ivory reef @vast sandal @undone galleon Who's gaming in 58 minutes?
finite patrol
I have another to bring as well if it’s cool
its very cool! are they in the server?
undone galleon
cant do today unfortunately
ivory reef
Don't think they're here
finite patrol
<@&1277035919182008330> Anyone else want to play some stacked deadlock in ~55 minutes?
vast sandal
They are not here no
finite patrol
summon them and they will give you everything you wanted and more
dusky flume
I wanna game more but I'm tired. Alas!
granite heath
what's the current stack size?
vast sandal
At least 4
finite patrol
@verbal rock Also has himself as available a bit later
rich grove
sadly i have meetings
verbal rock
Tonight I might be a bit later than I have down.
median lantern
the meeter
finite patrol
Tonight I might be a bit later than I have down.
sfine, roll up if were still gaming
tame jay
https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1r82xwj/hooks_you_alrighty_the...
“Will it Krill” was right there man
vast sandal
All righty chatroom
terse aspen
Will it Mo
merry verge
The fighting games to Deadlock pipeline is so real, just put parries and they'll come awandering
vast sandal
I hit my EVO moment parry last night actually when both enemy laners dived me under tower and went for heavy melee and I stunted on them into a double kill for their greed
finite patrol
VC: https://discord.gg/hpFh5x3J
Party Code: PFFMT
finite grotto
I got a good sleep earlier hmmm is there still space in the stack?
finite patrol
Seems like at least one spot rn
merry verge
i'm technically around but if folks are around don't wanna steal with my nontalky ways
undone galleon
yeag i was wondering where vc was
finite patrol
We're in a group dm since someone off server we playing with
undone galleon
ahh
feral umbra
yall still have space?
finite patrol
During that last fight against viktor where i couldnt kill him it was because my spellslinger made my reload so fast i was missing the active reload timing and choking cus of it lmao
not used to having both at one time
anyway great stacking yall
autumn field
During that last fight against viktor where i couldnt kill him it was because my...
spellslinger ginnis...
finite grotto
During that last fight against viktor where i couldnt kill him it was because my...
lol
finite patrol
spellslinger ginnis...
I was playing warden so the perfect timing bar is like half of the reload graphic at max stacks
finite grotto
Ye was a super fun time! Can't wait for more
finite patrol
Next stack is <t:1771711200:f> and the following folks pitched their name in: AIM, Vero, Lokyos, Aurelia, Lunatic Blue, gunkGobbo
I wont be there, but yall should be able to get to 6 again!
I won't be there for the next 2 saturdays actually cus I have a lot lined up this month, but could one of ya @merry verge @finite grotto @plain furnace coordinate it?
finite patrol
oh are ya oce/sea?
finite patrol
sorry you said to sign you up for the NA stacks (which there are technically 2 of) haha so I put you on today and sat
I'll take you off the list for that time
undone galleon
nw im down for it lol
undone galleon
im getting up early that day anyways for workout reasons lol
finite patrol
lesgoo
finite patrol
I found out recently that cus of daylight savings time there are some places in the southern hemisphere which end up like 3 hours behind my time zone PST (next day) during winter here lol
undone galleon
dst is so whack
finite patrol
my province has already voted to abolish it
as soon as all our American neighbours do the same (((((::::
which means its never happenin
finite patrol
given everything we know now about how shitty it is for people adopting it now would be legit unhinged
rich grove
in fairness there seems to be a wide global appetite for harmmaxxing
vapid ember
was playing as drifter in ponytown and found doorman, they were chill
finite patrol
turning the two most evil deadlock characters into cute horses lol
autumn field
was playing as drifter in ponytown and found doorman, they were chill
Ok wow that is adorable though
autumn field
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1281742836878020722/1473930016902479892/2...
What the fuck was that comeback
lavish shale
Average Silver moment
rich grove
pov you just watched your life flash before your eyes
if you don't literally manta dodge that crossbow bolt you literally just get executed right then and there
that was genuinely frame perfect
if I was that venator I would have just logged off
stable forum
oh i didn't notice that
yeah that's very funny
i just assumed he missed tbh
though i pushed eshift specifically to dodge that.
rich grove
well it looks like a miss but idk, between server ticks and the projectile size I can imagine it hitting you and preventing this clip altogether
either way: owned owned owned owned owned owned lmao owned owned owned
cerulean pendant
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1281742836878020722/1473930016902479892/2...
convinced they could set silver max hp to 1 and shed still go 30-3/lh
rich grove
this troll warlord ass attack animation I can't
stable forum
this troll warlord ass attack animation I can't
it's literally drifter's attack animation
rich grove
the immense attack speed buff just makes it way more comical
like it doesn't look like it's rendering correctly
cerulean pendant
is there like an innately increasing attack speed on it or is that an item?
rich grove
just innately, kinetic dash alone doesn't explain it
stable forum
Silver gets up to +a lot% attack speed stacking per hit
during her lycan curse tf at least
lavish shale
is there like an innately increasing attack speed on it or is that an item?
She gets stacking attack speed on hit
In wolf form
rich grove
called lycan curse
actually more like ursa
are valve stupid?
lavish shale
it's literally drifter's attack animation
It's very funny that she just doesn't have her own animations yet
stable forum
yeaaa
ivory reef
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1281742836878020722/1473930016902479892/2...
i love how the last frame is an apollo called men enjoyer diving into the frame
lavish shale
IIRC she uses Seven's animations in human form,
stable forum
yeaa, 7's animations in human form, drifters while lycan
stable forum
i didn't even notice that >.>
rich grove
it's incredibly funny to me that of all the people to have the gay little cartwheel as their dash animation it's yeehaw misato and super magic satan
inexplicable pep
vast sandal
I gotta get my ass to the competence threshold and start playing the game for real
mild flume
yeah but I feel like Billy's mess would be far worse. Maybe I'm being prejudiced...
I think Billy has a tidy room but he would never let anyone see it
vast sandal
Billy strikes me as the type who would actually try to be a good roommate but is also a rambunctious loud asshole
he'd do the dishes and clean up but he'd also get pissed and shout in the other room
mild flume
my usual piece of structural advice is: take bigger risks when you're losing. th...
While I agree on a macro level, I think playing tight and punishing overextensions and greed works well too
autumn field
he'd do the dishes and clean up but he'd also get pissed and shout in the other ...
So. A sibling.
He’s a fucking sibling.
Like, loud asshole who will give you the finger if you say “hey can you grab my phone for me it’s in my room” but then he’ll give you your phone 30 seconds later
vast sandal
yeah
mild flume
I think Billy would be clean but an asshole to guests you bring
vast sandal
yeah he'd be a dickhead about having your friends over
autumn field
Also I feel like he’s the kinda guy who you can just give a 6 pack and he’d shut up about your friends
earnest verge
I think Billy has a tidy room but he would never let anyone see it
I can see either interpretation, fair
stable forum
vast sandal
Billy also is implied to know black magic
which is crazy
Only difference between you and me is that I never got arrested for doin' some black magic, cause I'm not a moron leaning over his skis!
on Seven kill
stable forum
...huh??
vast sandal
You think you're special because you got eldritch power? Newsflash, buddy, where do you think the goat head came from?
same
stable forum
ah, right.
vivid nimbus
All the heroes are wizards of some sort
vast sandal
true but I find Billy being knowledgeable in the dark arts particularly funny
agile rune
my goat hood came from being the boat
undone galleon
naw billy absolutely the type of guy to do like, satanic rituals in his bedroom
autumn field
naw billy absolutely the type of guy to do like, satanic rituals in his bedroom
id join in ffs
vivid nimbus
But would he clean up after?
autumn field
But would he clean up after?
the anarchist pays taxes, what do you think
vast sandal
chat I'm feeling real low, feels like all I'm doing as Doorman is ulting people out of fights and getting killed
like once or twice I get the cool Vortex Web cart multi-stun
undone galleon
the anarchist pays taxes, what do you think
tbh most anarchists do their taxes these days
vast sandal
idk, maybe I'm just letting K-D-A and metrics get me down, Doorman doesn't get a ton of souls or rack up crazy scores so I'm usually bottom of my team's leaderboard
vivid nimbus
People Billy will pick fights with: Vampires, various arch-wizards
People Billy will not pick a fight with: Revenuers
undone galleon
that being said, billy probly cleaned up just so the cops wouldnt catch him
agile rune
idk, maybe I'm just letting K-D-A and metrics get me down, Doorman doesn't get a...
when in doubt, pivot
it's a game, do things that spark joy
also tbf, ulting people out of fights is real strong
vast sandal
no see I still like playing Doorman, it's just that afterwards it's like "oh right there's no points for making a teamfight-winning opening play with Vortex Web -> stunning half the team with cart, ulting on transformed Silver and then dying"
I'm still like 3/8/11 with 34k souls
undone galleon
yeag it just sounds like focus on metrics being an issue
vast sandal
I like Doorman and Paradox, they do big shit for their team, but also it’s kinda exhausting to play supports who don’t put numbers on the board because that’s the summary of who cooked and who didn’t at the end of the game lol
Paradox isnt getting most kills OR most assists because you’re extremely likely to fucking die making the fight-winning play and swapping into absolute bedlam
autumn field
ngl i barely maintain a 1.0 KDR
plain furnace
I won't be there for the next 2 saturdays actually cus I have a lot lined up thi...
I can do that.
I'm even availble 2 hours earlier @merry verge @finite grotto if that's cool with you
vast sandal
and then the third character I play is Wraith, and odds are by the time she comes online the game's already over
agile rune
I like Doorman and Paradox, they do big shit for their team, but also it’s kinda...
you know if you cooked or not, you don't need data for that
vast sandal
I kinda don't actually
like I could hyperfocus on scoring 5-man cart stuns but if those stuns don't convert into a meaningful play afterwards did I really accomplish anything
agile rune
bad news is as a support the numbers don't really tell a full story
agile rune
thresh why are you magic couple
agile rune
just how many souls up were you, jeez
rich grove
I CAN BOLT ANYTHING
honestly the more impressive stuff was me putting our lane opponents in the trash over and over and over and over again
autumn field
I literally oneshot a graves from 100-0 with mystic reverb
how much fucking damage was that
thats gotta be at least 2.7k right
agile rune
I was under the impression sinclair wasn't very good
autumn field
how does that 1 work
rich grove
slightly janky everything
autumn field
the few sinclairs i met were like, bottom frag
rich grove
it takes longer for you to shoot out of slide than every single other character in the game
autumn field
damn.
rich grove
just inexplicable +1s gap
this has been in the game since the character's release
and then also having to go for the cheeky Gains Goblin Grab
Rubicking someone with Sinclair is a lot more straightforward than having to time it when they cast their ult but the positioning can be finicky
all of that and tbh I still don't even think I'm 60% of the way to everything the character does yet
in particular I'm really bad at playing around the assistant swap for jukes
agile rune
I want someone to love me half as much as thresh loves sinclair
rich grove
I don't even particularly like the character because of how clunky they are rn
that and I don't really play nukers
frail jasper
They will never be ballin'
viscous ult stolen
Uh oh
rich grove
it does feel violently good to just gap someone though
it's a really nice aim exercise
initial shot follows their current path, then on reaction, flick to where they dash
vivid nimbus
"I don't really play nukers"
rich grove
I don't like it!
you'd think I, the crackheadiest crackhead would play Celeste or Lash basically all the time
nope
don't enjoy it
I'm really fucking bad at being gay
agile rune
what do you like to play
rich grove
m1
rich grove
you use your mouse to aim the circles on the ground and then you also aim the big circle with the mouse
makes sense to me
mild flume
thresh is a head clicker
mild flume
I have seen you click heads
agile void
...also celeste is m1
you are literally bouncing around non stop and your bullets have shit bullet speed
mild flume
there are witnesses
agile void
you are telling me that is a m1?
agile rune
I am not very skillful at clicking heads
stable forum
yes!!
rich grove
there are witnesses
where.
stable forum
you also get mild autoaim
mild flume
if I find them with their heads clicked
agile void
isnt her bullet growth shit?
mild flume
you are done
stable forum
isnt her bullet growth shit?
she has ginormous on-hit damage on her 1
agile void
again
agile rune
I want to like lash more but he's an asshole
agile void
bullet growth?
stable forum
...irrelevant?
stable forum
yes!!
Celeste is a character who shoots you with her gun to kill you. She also does damage with a bunch of other things, but her gun is going to be chunky.