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ivory reef
frail jasper
It's still confusing when your character is suddenly not where you think it should be
finite patrol
I love ods banishment
merry verge
Pudge eats someone, gets Lifestealer'd
finite patrol
such a fun ability
merry verge
party pack
warped ridge
It's still confusing when your character is suddenly not where you think it shou...
Makes sense, reminds me of like, tahm kench
ivory reef
dota mobility: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBZ0KLylcCQ
bleak thicket
Pudge eats someone, gets Lifestealer'd
wait wait
lifestealer infests someone
pudge eats that hero
phoenix drags pudge into an egg
you can get 4/5 people in a team into one object
finite grotto
Tragic game 
vast sandal
i want gate...
best we can do is Traveller
ivory reef
vast sandal
enter the djinn zone
ivory reef
djinn is like. djinn is like furion but worse in every way
in dota we have a guy who can global teleport to any point on the map he wants at level 1
sometimes you go straight to the enemy base at game start for shenanigans
vast sandal
yeah but does furion have a style multiplier
ivory reef
luna.
he has the ability to like
kill people so hard they turn into trees and then money falls from the tree
because money grows on trees
and then all your friends pick up the moneybags that fall from the enemy corpse tree
so yes
vast sandal
yeah but does he literally have a DMC style multiplier though
ivory reef
I think the fucking moneybags is an SSS
vast sandal
I mean, Faust grindset
but also I'm just making a joke about Djinn's Mark literally giving you a stacking multiplier for Shooting Good
ivory reef
oh hey actually i just realized
vast sandal
one of my friends picked Mirage up and was like "oh I'm Dante, sick"
ivory reef
dota's version of celeste: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-swgwe1zl38
the original sparkly pony
our favorite sadboy
leshrac
vast sandal
leshrac is actually really cool
ivory reef
all he does is run around in circles around people saying reddit stuff and everyone dies
vast sandal
he's so sad about not being one with nature itself or whatever that he turned into a Redditor
it's true
ivory reef
leshrac has like
powerful "just get on fucking estrogen already god" energy
he's like one of those ex-gay guys
my dude just give up
vast sandal
but in his case it's dude give up on your weird nature thing
Leshrac sucks he's got AoE stuns and Diabolic Edict and that's not even his final form
you just build health on this guy and just stand around emanating your BO on people right
merry verge
I think that's Heartstopper Aura
upbeat perch
you can get 4/5 people in a team into one object
consider: snowballing the entire team
finite patrol
yeah they should give Victor a stun
primal sphinx
I think that's Heartstopper Aura
Surely it's Rot
bleak thicket
give me shadowshaman stun in deadlock
finite patrol
actually wait. victor already has a delayed aoe stun haha
primal sphinx
I'm just waiting for the day they add Rapier to Deadlock
finite patrol
he's literally just lesh
primal sphinx
You know Icefrog won't be able to resist forever
gray otter
oh so is leshrac like
lillia from before lillia existed
ivory reef
okay extremely funny opposite example of dota mobility: ember spirit's teleport is, basically, proportional to his movement speed. he sends shadow jutsu copies of himself that run at like 5x his movement speed
merry verge
Dark Seer midboss ult, i want every particle effect
gray otter
fast annoying centaur
ivory reef
this is what dota was made for
autumn field
I love how Vic just deletes teamfights if built right
ivory reef
seeing the flame remnant crawling
autumn field
I love how Vic just deletes teamfights if built right
Imagine dealing like, 300 DPS to the whole enemy team
ivory reef
omg i can't believe i forgot about this upload https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIlhquIHDic @bleak thicket @granite heath
finite grotto
Imagine dealing like, 300 DPS to the whole enemy team
ye i just use pocket ult 😌
ivory reef
omg i can't believe i forgot about this upload https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y...
@plush grove your delivery makes this
vast sandal
I've queued with Seven at max prio for the last like
15 matches
without getting him
because NO ONE plays Paradox
ivory reef
LOL
bleak thicket
literal instant karma
ivory reef
assigned paradox at mirth
vast sandal
Paradox is a funny character too
ivory reef
tom is hubris.com the character
vast sandal
early game you kinda just pick out lane opponents and go "time stopped, you're dead"
toki wo tomare
earnest verge
Actually had a couple games with randoms today where we dealt with Celeste ult okay-ish, it helps that I'm decent at movement and had warp stone in both cases
bleak thicket
tommy really gets into some situations™
warped ridge
Imagine dealing like, 300 DPS to the whole enemy team
I might be misrembering but I think this was actually early Haze ult with ricochet 2-3 years ago (I'd want someone else to confirm for me though)
granite heath
tom is hubris.com the character
All those other tragic figures died for their hubris, but I'm better than them.
Maybe even better than the gods.
ivory reef
i'm so glad i've managed to upload at least one tom.hubris deadlock video
granite heath
tommy really gets into some situations™
yeah for every one of these there's another sproink yoink
ivory reef
it's true
quiet sapphire
tom's simply limit testing
vast sandal
tbh my answer to Celeste ult has been to dive into troopers
quiet sapphire
think about it
ivory reef
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5kcnK8B1lc
1:00
vast sandal
it gets lost in the sauce
quiet sapphire
zeus ult down
granite heath
i'm so glad i've managed to upload at least one tom.hubris deadlock video
Yeah and you also uploaded I'm In Pursuit!
The point stands!
warped ridge
tbh my answer to Celeste ult has been to dive into troopers
The big AOE circle or the bouncy ball?
mystic breach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5kcnK8B1lc
jesus, how old is this clip
upbeat perch
2 years, according to youtube
vast sandal
like, the thing you need to avoid no matter what is playing pass with the ult
ivory reef
I'm just waiting for the day they add Rapier to Deadlock
they fuckign should
vast sandal
so if you drag a Celeste ult that's on you into nowhereland or into troopers it just dies off and becomes useless
ivory reef
it'll be so good
ivory reef
so if you drag a Celeste ult that's on you into nowhereland or into troopers it ...
yeah that's the key with lich ults and stuff too
a thing everyone in my stack knows. everyone. all of us. cough @mystic breach cough
warped ridge
so if you drag a Celeste ult that's on you into nowhereland or into troopers it ...
True, might actually be the one ability that forces you to learn deadlock movement the most due to needing to like, run
vast sandal
like you have the targeting indicator? good, spend stamina and run for it
it's hard during a teamfight tho because now peeling that ult off means you're saving your team, but also you're splitting off and that means the team could just jump on you
vast sandal
Yea now the person with the ult targeting is Drifter food
warped ridge
Golden retriever + hissing cat combo
quiet sapphire
let's contribute to the chaos
finite patrol
if you counterspell Celeste ult it should bounce back to Celeste and start damaging her team unless she has level 5 shield
ivory reef
if you counterspell Celeste ult it should bounce back to Celeste and start damag...
so. funny story. you are talking about a real dota item
it's called lotus orb
frail jasper
you can get 4/5 people in a team into one object
Snapfire can be involved too
ivory reef
and yes it does work exactly like that
we sent a lich ult back into the lich's team once
it was Very Funny
bleak thicket
Snapfire can be involved too
omg youre so right
ivory reef
we did that like last week?
finite patrol
lotus orb is blessed
finite patrol
I do think counterspell as it is is a nice middle ground
ivory reef
counterspell is linken's sphere but ten times cooler
vast sandal
Divine Rapier is in Deadlock tho
ivory reef
i love it
vast sandal
It’s called Soul Urn
merry verge
Need to learn the timing to Counter Apollo Ult
But also the little jerk does it every 60 seconds
quiet sapphire
thing is apollo can also hold the ult
so you can actually play
4-dimensional mindgames
primal sphinx
counterspell is linken's sphere but ten times cooler
Surely Counterspell is Counterspell (Antimage)
finite grotto
I would love on appollo 3 cast to make get a range indicator ala yamato 1
that shit is so long later on
merry verge
is Antimage the most 'I'm off to the jungle, see you all in half an hour' character, that's what I have in my memory banks
quiet sapphire
yeah
merry verge
the man simply didn't exist until lategame
finite patrol
thats a popular meme
quiet sapphire
mhm
agile void
victor/haze if she is playing carry
ivory reef
is Antimage the most 'I'm off to the jungle, see you all in half an hour' charac...
yes
vast sandal
Enigma
ivory reef
the 'typical antimage teamfight contribution' thing is like, a 10+ year old meme now
finite patrol
just fuckin stands there
well he can't move very good
merry verge
I didn't even know was a meme
finite patrol
slowest mfer in the video game
merry verge
his legs are new-old refurbished, it makes sense
finite patrol
show up. ult. "kill secured". blink out
finite grotto
you do have lil speedburst with 2
vivid nimbus
my work here is done
finite patrol
apparently seven is slightly slower total sprint speed
ivory reef
13 years old.
finite patrol
7.4 on victor to 7.3
agile void
apparently seven is slightly slower total sprint speed
look at the speed
finite patrol
13 years old.
I'll be honest I think of this as older
I know jaacker.
seven doesnt gain as much from sprinting
ivory reef
1:28
ivory reef
vivid nimbus
Especially once he buys spirit items
warped ridge
Oh hey someone is working on that one game but for deadlock.
(Not going to link the website directly because dev looks like they got a lot of work to do based on the reddit comments) https://www.reddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/s/yhoUuGbgCV
agile void
no, its more the fact that his speed scales
ivory reef
bleak thicket
six seven...
vast sandal
is it stonks to have my lane partner go up and start stealing the enemy's jungle while I lane solo as Wraith so they can come out of nowhere and jump them
ivory reef
yes
vast sandal
and I get 125% souls or whatever from lane
finite patrol
its very funny I play most of these heroes now
if i take out the 3 that "dont count" (seven, celeste, and gt) i play all of the slowest heroes in the game
vast sandal
because I know if you're alone in lane you get a considerable soul boost
ivory reef
I will sneak to the enemy small camp at 1:57 to kill it at 2m
ivory reef
because I know if you're alone in lane you get a considerable soul boost
it's basically an even split. slightly off but basically
Trooper souls are distributed between nearby players with the following rate:
100%/54%/36%/25%/20%/16% (for 1/2/3/4/5/6 players)
if you leave lane your partner is just getting all the souls you're missing
so 2x
it's very good
in high high level play you see people like. not go to lane
roam at level 1 kinda
vast sandal
so if my partner is off boogalizing their jungle and slurping up the delicious soul juice as Drifter
we're both getting fucking rich
agile void
I wonder if they will ever make possible a Meepo in deadlock
ivory reef
yes, though there are wildly fewer souls in the jungle at game start
keep in mind like
the map starts with no camps
no nothing
vast sandal
because I'm Wraith and I'm just gonna unhinge my jaw like a snake and eat the entire lane
ivory reef
small camps and boxes and stuff show up at like minute 2
ivory reef
yes after laning phase you should be actively hunting every sinner's sacrifice on the enemy side of the map
ivory reef
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VAUQNfinwo here's eskay watching a rank 1 holliday with proper coordination, 8 days ago
agile void
me on rem telling my lane partner "im going to gamble" if we won lane or we stuck around until now
vast sandal
so if you're on green at minute 8 you should be angling to go steal their casino
ivory reef
they don't even have their ult yet
ivory reef
so if you're on green at minute 8 you should be angling to go steal their casino
yeah @bleak thicket and @earnest verge will do that. at least take all our local sinners immediately
they leave me to hold the lane to vore the vending machines
vast sandal
got it, got it
bleak thicket
yeah
if im rem im off to gamble at around 7:50 and i make sure i have helpers available
merry verge
I feel selfish taking both sides but lane partners sure like to not take them
ivory reef
i can run fast
vast sandal
other question is who's prioritized to gamble vs lane
ivory reef
really depends on team comp
and enemy team comp
like, sinners are just fewer souls than lane
just keep that in mind
bleak thicket
that truly is one of the most "it depends" questions yeah
ivory reef
but if you get them between waves?
vast sandal
like if I'm Paradox, presumably I'm not trying to hold it down at the lane
ivory reef
then yeah that's free money
it's a real It Depends
our stack tries to have like, 3 lane holders and 3 people who go killing people
vast sandal
like, there is no light at the end of the tunnel where I hit 40k souls and then it's time to party
finite patrol
if you have a wraith and a kelvin its an easy answer. carry should stay and farm and push a side lane, support should roam, jungle, and gank. if you have a paradox and a lash its a little more complicated.
ivory reef
I will note that correct play involves a lot of partying
warped ridge
Ooh, Sinner's Sacrifice is the punch machine
ivory reef
like, the first 3v3 teamfight in this game happens at like 5 minutes
nobody has ults
the better you get the more you just try to fucking kill each other
bridge buff? everyone go kill everyone
ivory reef
right, unfortunately I have limited advice to give people who just have core limitations on correct play. good luck
do your best
but this is optimal play
true optimal play is you like -really- work with your lane partners and get into fights a LOT
bleak thicket
yeah ultimately
theres only so much you can do outside of a full stack
earnest verge
like, sinners are just fewer souls than lane
Golden Statue buffs can add up too over a long game. not something to rely on, but worth noting
warped ridge
The golden statue buffs are permanent right?
ivory reef
yes
finite grotto
maybe a 3-stack maximum
can always join if there is a stack in here trying to form!
vast sandal
I have the role
ivory reef
it's 6 minutes and like literally nobody in yellow team is in lane
just watch night shift games
they're very eye opening
magic summit
I find repeatedly pinging an enemy gets my random teammates neurons to fire enough to hit the glowing target so that a gank works out
finite grotto
wait you can draw on the map???
ivory reef
yes!
magic summit
But I play like exclusively gank heroes
bleak thicket
same as dota
magic summit
Surprise Celeste in the lane at minute 5
bleak thicket
i think
ivory reef
anyway really happy to see everyone getting into macro and stuff. good luck with team stacking, good luck with strategy
try to approach stuff as a problem to solve with in game tools > waiting for balance patches
it's entirely possible celeste is not gonna get any changes. and honestly she does not strike me as game altering like early patch victor was
just learn and figure out the best stuff to kill her dead
wish we had better counterpick tools
because some characters do flatten her
don't forget about phantom strike
vast sandal
oh I think that probably we're just gonna have to learn to fight Celeste
finite grotto
lemme db celeste ult
vast sandal
however, personally, that damn pony and her Silencing barrier are the bane of my existence and I want. that. uma. obliterated.
agile void
I do think we should be able to "cleanse" or counterspell her ult
the main difference between deadlock and DOTA is the fact that you have a isometric view of the entire fight
undone galleon
however, personally, that damn pony and her Silencing barrier are the bane of my...
umabliterated
agile void
you can tunnel vision, sure, but its different to have a 360° wide view of your surroundings than having to double check your behind to see if someone is there to bounce off of it
vast sandal
I don't even care about the ult that much, it feels like half the time I see it it's either getting blown as a last-ditch kill confirm or getting sucked into the weeds by troopers
but that barrier
I hate it
you are a spirit nuker, you should not be this bulky
agile void
you are a spirit nuker, you should not be this bulky
warden?
vast sandal
you should not be able to go "uhhh cringe" when I poke you out to critical health and then bhop away
come here and die pony
frail jasper
Knockdown GO
vast sandal
Go, my Wraith Lift
and secure the kill
I love Projecting Mind across Graves's death line
neat CC anyways I'm on top of you with a gun
finite patrol
knockdown and phantom strike get better every patch
finite patrol
please dont say things like that
frail jasper
Always has been good
le is absolutely ancient tier memes by this day
It didn't survive the extinction and won't survive in the modern environment anyway
vast sandal
it's crazy how half of Wraith's kit is "you have glorpstone and knockdown built into you" and instead of being unrewarding it's the best thing ever
starting with two really good active items as your skills goes nuts
"what's your ult do" I Knockdown people with style
finite patrol
telekinesis is so much better than kd
somber creek
It's KD + Disarming Hex
warped ridge
telekinesis is so much better than kd
Me reading that, "wdym. Enemies can't do anything if they're dea---"
"Oh, kinetic dash 
"
finite patrol
It's KD + Disarming Hex
and it silences!
vast sandal
I gotta lift people more often
finite grotto
sheeeesh
agile void
kobe
still swan
Thats the power of benadryl and plastic explosives
finite patrol
invoqwer is extremely funny
agile void
finite patrol
Jesus christ
warped ridge
Yeah it's why I'd never hit on Ivy
How can I compare to Shadow the Hedgehog
He can go fast
I can maybe hit 7 Mph if I really really try
And like
To be clear
That's me practically gonna fall over flat on my face and I certainly couldn't do it more than like 5 seconds at most
finite patrol
https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1r74emf/i_am_a_professional_bu...
Ahh, but this ones freshly pressed ass post
warped ridge
vast sandal
questions for you all
- does Kinetic Carbine give Paradox movement speed for unlocking it? it has "Bonus Speed" in the skill card
- does Mystic Slow stack with pre-existing slows from abilities?
merry verge
After the Chargeup to ready the shot you're speedboosted
vast sandal
huh, weird
so it makes you faster to help you chase people down, then lets you stop time on yourself to line up the shot
merry verge
Part of why having solid handle on movement really makes a Paradox
though that's true with everyone i guess
finite patrol
para definitely one of the more movement intensive heroes
magic summit
Slows stack diminishingly
merry verge
Her Holliday and Viscous are 'specialist onetricks will frighten me' type characters
magic summit
So mystic slow on an ability that already slows will increase the slow but not by a lot
agile void
So mystic slow on an ability that already slows will increase the slow but not b...
tbh its worth mentioning that the slow only lingers like....
1 or 2 seconds
merry verge
I see late-purchased Lightning Scroll more often than Mystic Slow
agile void
magic summit
tbh its worth mentioning that the slow only lingers like....
I mean that is a given
As it is part of the item description
agile void
also, fucks up the dash distance
magic summit
The question was does it stack with pre existing slows
agile void
so there is a reason to pick it
magic summit
I dont think it would, no. I think lightning scroll upgrade to it too is only good on bigger aoe ults
vast sandal
I was hoping to slow people down enough that they couldn't get away from Pulse Grenade as easily, but by the looks of it, cooldown and expansion are more effective
agile void
I was hoping to slow people down enough that they couldn't get away from Pulse G...
duration too if you have max bomb
since it means more pulsese therefore more expansions
vast sandal
god, boring items only on Paradox
vast sandal
I know lol
agile void
you will see all supports run duration/cooldown/range
finite patrol
backstabber is fun!
agile void
its just good to have
rich grove
we do love backstabber
vast sandal
duration I would contend on Doorman
vivid nimbus
-30% and -30% stack to -51% if you were curious about the numbers
vast sandal
it's really only good for the luggage cart
finite patrol
duration on doorman sucks
rich grove
does it even scale the way you would want it to on ult
vast sandal
no
agile void
I dont think its affected by duration
rich grove
stinky
merry verge
Isn't that a good thing? Unless they -really- mess up the jumps spending more than the 6.5 seems unlikely, and easier to get 'em with the bonus damage
( still don't take duration though )
rich grove
yeah it is
but at that point you ask superior duration what do you even do
merry verge
Punch Doorman with 1.5 cart stun..
finite patrol
the best thing duration does on doorman is actives
if you have 4 good actives that duration matters on you could maybe consider it
but otherwise blehh
merry verge
Yeaah I was sitting here thinking 'well if you're Curse/Knockdown living'
but definitely better purps
finite patrol
and doorman already has a lot of things to buy for a character who wants to deprioritize farm
you are too busy doing your evil shit
autumn field
ok damn whoever at valve buffed the bot to have some competence in play, god damn
plain furnace
the bots are better now ?
plain furnace
I remember hearing stories, like campfire horror stories, about the pixel-precise, nano-second reacting bots of Dota
plain furnace
great ! I tested all heroes (except Celeste and Apollo) in bot games, so it quickly started to feel stale
autumn field
and really annoyingly good sometimes
plain furnace
Ow, they've learned
autumn field
like it used to be suprising if they hit parry
plain furnace
Me when I will get my Sinner's stolen by a bot: O_O'
autumn field
now they parry a good bunch
merry verge
They updated the tutorial, too
granite heath
I remember hearing stories, like campfire horror stories, about the pixel-precis...
That was probably the OpenAI bots?
Current default DotA bots are severely out of date.
lavish shale
also added billy and apollo to the bot roster i think, idk who else
I saw Celeste and Yamato bots today
plain furnace
"Everyone is here !"
twilit roost
dang they really did go full gocket
autumn field
damn gocket...
quiet sapphire
merry verge
absolute cartoon man
autumn field
Doorman definitely teleports bread
stable forum
there's a very strange counter to Celeste ult where you make it bounce to a trooper and then either get out of range as it kills the trooper or use eshift or similar
I think eshift should make you immune to being targeted?
rich grove
yeah dumping it off at the jg camps near urn drop is so funny
stable forum
and if Celeste's ult kills something and there's no nearby bounce targets it just dies.
rich grove
the bright side, we're not all dead
the down side, the celeste has 400 unsecured souls now
profit(?)
stable forum
probably deserved but also he's Hard
finite grotto
what can you buy again vs mo ult
finite patrol
he now only has one skill if slowing hexed?
stable forum
what can you buy again vs mo ult
debuff reducer
unstoppable theoretically
but mostly just debuff resist, so Reducer, Weighted Shots, Spellbreaker
finite grotto
hmhm
finite grotto
game not going great
rich grove
he now only has one skill if slowing hexed?
calico
frail jasper
I've been informed by the Mo players that if you buy Reactive Barrier they will usually just ignore you
lavish shale
https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/01-30-2026-update.102822/post-207811
so happy to see his ult now go on cooldown when he gets stunned out of the windup
that fucking infuriated me
frail jasper
Otherwise you must avoid trading with him at all and shoot him from a distance at every opportunity
You WILL lose the trade because Scorn has like an 8 second cooldown
somber creek
I feel like every single ability being nerfed is a bit extreme
finite grotto
just getting perma mo ulted sadge
autumn field
https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/01-30-2026-update.102822/post-207811
Ok damn that’s HUGE
That feels excessive though
random urchin
https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/01-30-2026-update.102822/post-207811
Hey valve by any chance did you think Apollo had too much damage?
autumn field
nerf bebop please
rich grove
you just gotta close your eyes and accept your fate like that one dog meme
merry verge
Silver has a hidden passive that allows her to absorb all the counterbuilding from the enemy team
somber creek
Its so fucking rough
finite grotto
ey
somber creek
I will play street brawl and look at my team as I desperately 1v4 right by turret
finite grotto
i take everything over my 99 minute game nightmare
merry verge
Luckily people don't like building curse as much with the nerf, Unstoppable remains precious friend
frail jasper
Remember to get Dispel Magic
And or unstoppable
And or counterspell if you're skilled like that
finite grotto
i constantly forget to buy dispel
autumn field
I want to play Debuff Victor
frail jasper
"Why does my 5 second debuff only last 1.5 seconds :( " - enemy debuff support
autumn field
With disarm, curse, silence, everything
“You are going to die and you will not get to do anything”
finite grotto
we did it tho yay
frail jasper
Dispel Magic is the kind of thing you might not need depending on your matchmaking rank cuz people might just not be using active correctly (or at all tbh). As you go higher and people start hammering you with counter buys it becomes very necessary
finite grotto
spellbreaker building out of debuff reducer is nice!
frail jasper
Yeah that's a very nice change
autumn field
Dispel Magic is the kind of thing you might not need depending on your matchmaki...
I’ve started doing counters and it’s amazing
autumn field
Ngl bots make you understand counterbuys 10x more than actual players at low ranks
Mostly because holy shit 100 disarms
finite grotto
wait were all these changes already in the game?
rich grove
what do you mean changes
finite patrol
that fucking infuriated me
warden nerf flashbacks hahaha
rich grove
mystic reverb didnt get anything in those patch notes idt
finite grotto
oh i am an idiot
agile void
agile void
ability draft by glutensnake
@ivory reef not sure if this kind of gameplay would be interesting for you but I do know this is a community mode in dota
astral lava
so like is there a real way to tell when silver ult is going to happen
autumn field
AWOOOOOO
finite patrol
there's a big audio cue and she gets a particle effect around her
autumn field
Otherwise, guess based on how much they’ve been shooting and stuff
finite patrol
you have several seconds to react when it triggers
its pretty well telegraphed
also if she is hitting every shot its going to happen
astral lava
no i mean as silver
astral lava
yeah a bar that gives no real informatio nas to when it will fill
merry verge
Ult Icon fills up, based on damage done to heroes ( and 1% passively gained in combat with them )
astral lava
yeah but i have no way to play around it because i dont know how much it fills by
finite patrol
I mean what do you want it to tell you? how many shots you have to land? how much damage you have to deal? its not exactly the thing thats easy to represent
its a tricky UX problem for sure
merry verge
Can't find updated information but they did make it easier recently
Keep accidentally ulting from lane poke
astral lava
i assume the numbers must exist given they are happening in the video game
sick of going multiple teamfights with my ult not firing at all then it just activating from nothing while leaving a fight with 1 guy
also wish her ult tooltip mentioned taking damage activating it. was unpleasant to discover this by punching sinners. there's at least 4 abilities in this batch of heroes that's just missing tooltip info tbh
astral lava
..do you lose 0 now?
astral lava
can check rn my game ended
agile void
that could be a bug
astral lava
my damage done is roughly half my team's lol i cannot aim for shit
finite patrol
was reported several times as a bug https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/math-is-a-broken-on-glass-cannon.107321/
(there are like 6 more of the same thread)
astral lava
was 1 for me. maybe they secretly fixed it lol
finite patrol
you got 2 kills and died and had 1 stack?
astral lava
yep tested it in sandbox
ivory reef
<@140921736588689408> not sure if this kind of gameplay would be interesting for...
Oh man haha not for me but @granite heath @primal sphinx play the mode
primal sphinx
Oh ability draft Deadlock sounds potentially very silly
mild flume
I play it too yeah it would be
agile void
they also share the mods
mild flume
probably not as silly as it is in dota tbh but still quite silly
though hmmm there are definitely some gun things that could get real wild
some fast firing gun with mirage stacks
finite patrol
slam fire kinda the enchant totem equivalent maybe
you dont get the same melee /Ranged break tho
vast sandal
starting to get wins as Paradox
stable forum
everyone disarms me 😭
I've been buying Debuff Reducer & Ethereal Shift
vast sandal
this character is super sick
stable forum
screw CC, screw CC combos, give transformation
vast sandal
also just to do sicko shit
I might not be putting crazy numbers up on the board myself, but I'm identifying who's gotta die in the enemy team, waiting for the moment, boom
grenade, shield, swap, welcome to Hell
I'm getting in the groove of being a Time Bandit
enemy team be like
my lane partner was playing Holliday and we did some people DEVIOUS with the swap-lasso combo
rich grove
press 4 and CONDEMN THEM TO DEATH
vast sandal
the other match before that I was Doorman and there was this Ivy who didn't know what was up until we tied her up and dragged her under our walker
just like
from lane
we kidnapped her through the garbage disposal door
vast sandal
actual alien abduction footage (real) (not fake)
finite patrol
i love paradox's kit
i also love that she has a bunch of time flavour but her ult is a space ability
autumn field
I hope Deadlock figures out how to keep mods in the game in the future
Assuming that when it’s released mods would be harder to support
finite patrol
people have been modding source engine games since before the source engine existed
lavish grove
Yah
They’re not as common in their multiplayer games
But like, it shouldn’t be impossible
rich grove
comp tf2 p much runs on a set of "everyone uses this" mods
lavish grove
Oh I didn’t know
rich grove
no hats etc
people replace the stock explosion vfx
lotta stuff
its relatively obscure cause its fuckin comp tf2 lol
lavish grove
Yah lol
frail jasper
magic summit
I think mods would be significantly hampered when it actually releases.
Everyone loves the funny mods and I play the game heavily modded, as you can usually tell from my clips, but some mods are close to just cheating with how they alter the map and info presented. That and if they want to release cosmetics and you can just mod said cosmetics in yourself I don't think they would let that slide
A better comparison I would say is Dota. When it came out of early access mods stopped working and they will just straight ban you for most things that modify your game
astral lava
yeah a bar that gives no real informatio nas to when it will fill
and now i play against a silver, she comes in to lane off zipline after dying, hits 3 shots and instantly goes wolf. what the hell is this formula
magic summit
Unrelated I went to get a clip of a cool Celeste kill I got then relealized watching the footage I left a 800 dollar bag on the floor
Just felt like this
rich grove
throwing up mysterious white foam My foam!
autumn field
checked the nerfs out
his max output basically went from 520~ damage to 480~
otherwise, ult is 500 damage
rich grove
@upbeat perch
upbeat perch
if you can't kill him, why not have se... gets shot
vast sandal
SEX WITH A MAN VOL 2
vestal hearth
Wait... how are they similar?
quartz zenith
hotboy parry central
somber creek
wow Apollo does not feel great to play
vestal hearth
Hmm...
autumn field
rem is crazy good
lavish grove
Made a tierlist of what patron I think each character would rather summon
bleak thicket
rem gaming hours
finite patrol
Billy is an archmother stan
lavish grove
I mean, dude is a poser but he’s not that much of one
His hatred is genuine at the very least
And I think he’d hate the archmother the second he sees her base is pretty and marble
stable forum
it's very funny how everyone agrees billy is a poser meanwhile billy is starting a riot in downtown new york
vernal parcel
it's very funny how everyone agrees billy is a poser meanwhile billy is starting...
I mean can't people be both a poser and manage to get things done ?
finite patrol
rem gaming hours
rem is the path to assist and healing badges. no one does it like he does
stable forum
I mean can't people be both a poser and manage to get things done ?
probable
finite patrol
it's very funny how everyone agrees billy is a poser meanwhile billy is starting...
he's doing it for clout
starting a riot so I can post it on Insta
vernal parcel
ye it seems like that mostly what he does is all for show and no substance you know
agile void
agile void
And I think he’d hate the archmother the second he sees her base is pretty and m...
To put it into context
Im pretty sure he is the kid that says "Hey so you support ICE?"
finite patrol
@merry verge @finite grotto @plain furnace @feral umbra @rocky cobalt Y'all signed up for EU stacks starting from <t:1771444800:s> . I'll be at work at that time so I can't coordinate, but ya'll should link up. Don't forget to ping the deadlock role!
@feral umbra @ivory reef @verbal rock Ya'll signed up for NA stacks starting from <t:1771466400:s> , might be a liiiittle lopsided as winged finishes and regulus starts in lockstep, but I'll set that one up!
<@&1277035919182008330> If you want to put your name in for playing in either of these, just @ me or reply!
vast sandal
Put me in for the NA stack
finite patrol
OK it's not gonna be lopsided any more haha
strong gull
gray otter
https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1r7i2a7/a_new_players_opinion_...
the most correct thing here is lash
undone galleon
slimegirl viscous realest shit
gray otter
(not to say that the other ones arent correct but the lash one is VERY correct)
ivory reef
<@136003141345738753> <@335412742016204803> <@191889679274999808> <@143978960017...
haha i'll see if i'm around and what I can do o/
thanks for organizing stuff
just 3 people is a bit small for my usual deadlocking
vernal parcel
undone galleon
just 3 people is a bit small for my usual deadlocking
4-5 now w/ me & lunatic on there too
vast sandal
yeah 4-5ish
hell
I might be able to go grab that player you taught along with me for a 6th
undone galleon
full stack deadlock,,
merry verge
<@136003141345738753> <@335412742016204803> <@191889679274999808> <@143978960017...
wait hol' up I may have not realized they were sorted by region, I'm NA /cough
finite patrol
I mean fahrenheit is NA too, but people got schedules
Want me to move you over to the NA pools? You did select for times that match up with EU folks
merry verge
Ohh gotcha okay, works out fine by me for either
finite patrol
yeah the stacks are by availability not region
vast sandal
I think I might be REALLY bad at deadlock you guys
My ass is getting demoted out of Alchemist
autumn field
deadlock has like a one month long learning curve
autumn field
My ass is getting demoted out of Alchemist
man im like, initiate 5
undone galleon
i dont even have the game yet
vast sandal
oh also strategy question: if you're just getting put in the own zone, like completely clobbered by your enemies in lane, do you lane switch or just have someone go be a third on a lane or what
my lane partner pretty consistently goes "we're getting folded in lane I'm going to the next one over" and leaves me to try and slow down the enemy / pick up farm
autumn field
imo id move back and play around guardian depleting hp
autumn field
ohhhh
yeah id just disappear to farm
people get toxic if you try to laneswitch for some dumbfuck reason
but who fucking cares imma go farm rq, come back with a decent amount of souls, and then take cheap picks
usually if i know im getting shit on i disappear until they push walker
usually takes a while
rich grove
if you're getting dumpstered you crashing someone else's lane is generally not going to contribute anything except tanking the other guys' econ
vast sandal
so just go like
get boxes, play behind guardian and pick up lane farm where possible ?
rich grove
honestly I just kind of assumed you're starting without guardian, but yeah
where the guardian would be
vast sandal
also I finally played a match where I actually hit my power bump as Wraith and managed to do a lot afterwards
still put up absolute shite numbers compared to the people who got ahead early
but hey, I managed to pick up a fistful of assists at the end of the game
rich grove
play back, run boxes, try and at least get... at least on parity with your teammates who aren't being dumpstered
before you try for a gank
if you're half the net worth of the next highest guy and go in on the assumption that 3 is bigger than 2, you basically just feed them an extra kill
early game power spikes are so comically big on some characters that you will just get shit on
autumn field
like who?
rich grove
any of the spirit nukers who are already good in lane
vast sandal
what about, say, Viscous
vast sandal
I mean yeah Yamato gets her buttons and then she's just smashing your head in with em
rich grove
off hand I think anyone except maybe the supportiest supports are just going to kick you really, really hard with an extra item or two
autumn field
thank god graves is the queen of denial
vast sandal
define "supportiest" support tho because if this is DotA doesn't Support mean "guy who fucking kills your carry in lane"
rich grove
true I should say healbot
autumn field
which would be... Rem
rich grove
like if paige has just bought guardian ward with her 1.6k
she probably isn't killing you any faster
but she is going to be so annoying to kill that you tanking the econ is probably still not worth the gank
autumn field
i like how paige can be built like a nuke
actually, do people lightning scroll page 4?
i think they do, right?
rich grove
on the other hand if warden has slowing hex with his 1.6k lead
maybe you just fucking die because you get flasked + rooted and eat an entire mag to the head
rich grove
or silver gets kinetic dash and runs you down etc etc etc
frail jasper
actually, do people lightning scroll page 4?
It's a good addition to her ult but usually as a luxury buy very late game, not a priority
vast sandal
okay I'm watching Deathy's guide to laning and it's like yeah
rich grove
you would rather buy vortex web and give the enemy team the naruto style glorp into root into dragons into the ult
4.8k, does more for you more regularly, makes landing the ult in the first basically guaranteed
vast sandal
once Viscous was really starting to flex on me I should've dipped the lane, I'm Paradox, I can become a heat seeking missile that comes flying out of jungle at a low health laner somewhere else and blow their head off
I've got the early advantage, I've got decent soul count still, instead of pissing that away I can make an impact elsewhere
earnest verge
if you're getting dumpstered you crashing someone else's lane is generally not g...
yeah it like, Depends™ on exactly how you're getting dumpstered, you only want to three-person a lane if you're sure to get a gank or objective out of it
You don't do it just because you're behind and that's the easiest way for you to get souls, that would weaken the entire team
frail jasper
Tri-lane is like, "I won my lane so now I'm here to help steamroll this one within 2 minutes"
earnest verge
Tri-lane is like, "I won my lane so now I'm here to help steamroll this one with...
naw, it can also be if you're losing the lane and the enemy isn't capitalizing on that enough
but yeah the long story short is, if you're third-ing a lane within the first eight minutes of the game, you'd better have a really good reason
rich grove
psychologically every bone in your body is SCREAMING to come hang with your cooler and richer friends
unfortunately
you must walk the way of the ronin
vivid nimbus
If you're a carry who needs money but you're broke and your lane is trashed, I'd stick around for solo souls and pick up creeps/boxes/sinners when you can
If you're a pick player or support, go get picks or do support in the other lanes (and also get boxes/etc on your way)
frail jasper
I don't miss the old meta of soul splitting economy, very scuffed
rich grove
the brief mormon meta was so fucking dumb lmao
vast sandal
the what
rich grove
well
back in the old days
you would literally have people leave their lanes and more or less run through adjacent lanes over and over to hoover up excess souls because soul splitting wasn't so inefficient
this practice was called
"soaking"
vast sandal
ah
rich grove
and it was patched out of the game by a series of extremely clunky changes to the econ that were basically yoshi looking very disappointed at us for doing this
vivid nimbus
Thresh will just do the most unhinged word associations sometimes
vast sandal
no no
rich grove
EVERYONE CALLED IT SOAKING
vast sandal
soaking -> mormon meta
rich grove
THAT WAS LITERALLY THE TERM
vast sandal
makes perfect sense
rich grove
I didn't just make that up Deathy was talking about some "yeah man soaking is pretty silly, they're probably going to nerf it soon :/"
vivid nimbus
Yeah but no one will connect the dots in reverse! Soaking has other meanings too, you could've called it hot tub meta or w/e
rich grove
frail jasper
Yeah it was called soaking but I never made the Mormon connection lol
vivid nimbus
But no you go to Mormon soaking
frail jasper
Back in my day we had TWO barriers, armor AND spirit, and they RECHARGED out if combat...
rich grove
oogh
warm sonnet
mild flume
THAT WAS LITERALLY THE TERM
🗞️
mild flume
Yeah but no one will connect the dots in reverse! Soaking has other meanings too...
I am reliably informed that hot tubbing is the term used in law here when they put lots of experts/witnesses/etc behind a single small desk
by court staff
frail jasper
Waving my stick around and ranting about how the economy is a mess because items used to cost 500 increments instead of 800
On the other hand, old deadlock didn't have rem
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1464051664930471968/1473505893437145169/ezgif-4860abea2e2e1fd0.gif?ex=699674cd&is=6995234d&hm=bf15b1c656fc145a20ef8e109eb4ebdf71ad847ef014fdc30b48c37f3360ada2&
autumn field
i like graves
mild flume
when I was a child I measured everything in terms of 5c sweets I could get
autumn field
i like to ignore micro
mild flume
when they abolished the 5c coin for just a 10c was the first economic recession I had
earnest verge
aww
mild flume
my money was worth half as much!
autumn field
just realized something
earnest verge
when I was young I thought it was very dumb of Sweden to not get the euro because getting the euro meant we'd all have more money
autumn field
graves is the kinda girl who cant be balanced that well
earnest verge
(because the euro is worth more than the Swedish krona, see)
autumn field
pffft
frail jasper
I'm not a doctor but she's running and jumping just as well as anyone else so I think her balance is normal
autumn field
like some characters are strong across many brackets of skill and balanced-ish throughout most
earnest verge
I think she can be balanced around the like, entire top half of the skill range pretty well, if not more, and I'm not sure how much it's worth balancing around the bottom brackets
mild flume
tbh there are a lot of characters that have this issue
its just the nature of the game (dota is similar)
earnest verge
like "inexperienced players and those who aren't learning the game very well" will simply struggle with any increasingly complex and interesting ecosystem
mild flume
and finess-y or microey characters
autumn field
then again ranks are so scuffed in this game
earnest verge
it's admittedly better if the character is weak at low levels and strong at high levels than vice versa
autumn field
i can do not completely shit in a lobby like, 4-5 ranks higher than me
earnest verge
but I also think it's okay if a character that's balanced well for high levels has like, a 55% winrate in lower brackets
or even a bit more than that
autumn field
graves is funny because like, half her kit is auto-aimed
mild flume
yeah but she is squishy and the wall is tricky to use and like, she really wants to fight small fights
autumn field
mmm
autumn field
thing about graves is i find she's quite tanky later on
mild flume
in low skill people don't buy enough greens usually
autumn field
tbf though that is because she can get crazy healing off collecting death
and if you have witchmail against a celeste, etc
well then you just have 0 cooldowns, basically
and can get like 200 HP every 5 seconds
earnest verge
in low skill people don't buy enough greens usually
rare phrase that can be used in both nutrition and video games...
autumn field
that purple healing item
warm sonnet
Radiant Regen?
frail jasper
Radiant regeneration
warm sonnet
Yeee
autumn field
yeah rad regen
warm sonnet
It's rad
autumn field
earnest verge
even if he could I don't think he'd be interested
he's got way more important stuff to grab which gets more health than that per second by taking it from the enemy
autumn field
i think celeste would use this quite nicely
warm sonnet
It does provide regen per enemy hit with spirit damage
autumn field
since she has SO FUCKING MANY charges
frail jasper
Is very good for Celeste yes
warm sonnet
So it can provide a decent chunk of regen (even if spirit lifesteal does more in this case)
frail jasper
Geist too
warm sonnet
Ye
autumn field
geist i assume has this as a core pick
warm sonnet
Shiv is also a sleeper-enjoyer of it
earnest verge
It does provide regen per enemy hit with spirit damage
Yeah but Victor would rather rush Spirit Lifesteal -> Infuser which also just gives significantly more health than that in the active duration
frail jasper
IDK about Graves since she has infrequent abilities but it can work
earnest verge
I can see Radiant on a lot of heroes, but Victor ain't it
autumn field
ngl my graves build is fucked up
mild flume
I don't remember seeing many graves builds that use radient regen or witchmail especially
and like
autumn field
IDK about Graves since she has infrequent abilities but it can work
i use it on my witchmail radregen graves concept
warm sonnet
Yeah but Victor would rather rush Spirit Lifesteal -> Infuser which also just gi...
See the parenthesis
autumn field
it's a very weird build tbh
mild flume
if your evaluation of how a character will do in low ranks, is based on a build that only you use I'm not sure its super accurate
autumn field
i dont think it's as good as gun graves
mild flume
I'd base it on whatever the top build on the list is
warm sonnet
Gun graves and spirit graves are sorta entwined most of hte time
earnest verge
I can see Radiant on a lot of heroes, but Victor ain't it
(Not to mention he already gets everything Radiant Regen gives from his 2.)
autumn field
i mostly use a modified lightbringer
frail jasper
Someone was trying to convince me of radiant regen on rem and I just don't see it. There's only a handful of heroes that I think it makes sense on
autumn field
if your evaluation of how a character will do in low ranks, is based on a build ...
nah i used it like, twice tbh
warm sonnet
She loves her gun for applying debuffs, and getting Recharging Rush for death-agnostic 1 charges is lövely
final osprey
Rem is already building so much sustain from support abilities I feel like Radiant is overkill. As if someones killing you through heals already it's not gonna help
autumn field
it's not really a "good" build, i just think its fun
warm sonnet
In my experience, Radiant Regen keeps you in the fight longer than spirit lifesteal if you wiff more
frail jasper
They were arguing for mystic regen over extra regen, saying that it triggering off of your buffed troopers is consistent enough to get it activated frequently. But I don't see it because why take conditional 5 regen when I can have permanent 3-4 regen which also builds into a useful item for my team
autumn field
it's a lot more effective to build toxic, spirit shredder, recharging, resto shot, esc resil, intensifying, titanic, bull res shred, disarming, etc
mild flume
I think incidentally the issue I find with witchmail + healing kinda setups
frail jasper
Extra regen in general is just a guaranteed +180hp/min, or 240/min if out of combat. That's a lot compared to something that's only getting activated for 5s every 40 seconds
mild flume
is that basically everyone witchmail is good against buys escalating exposure
which once it stacks up will kill you
frail jasper
But if you're like Apollo or Celeste or shiv or Geist then yes mystic regen rocks
strong gull
Here comes the barrel!!
mild flume
I was trying witchmail a bit on M+K and like
warm sonnet
Here comes the barrel!!
Feel it in ya bones!
mild flume
it was nice but I just found the EE kills you after a point
autumn field
nice thing about graves is you can pull bullet + spirit lifesteal as your green 4.8k
w/ one other 1.6k
mild flume
you 100% need a stamina item
strong gull
New update gave holliday a very nice 4.8k for bullet (recharging rush and alchemist’s fire)
autumn field
yeah i like stam mastery
so like, sprint boots + extra stamina is solid
but depending on how bad your opponent is, possibly battle vest or enchanters
but it's not like say, apollo whose a nuker and can benefit from it easily
since your range is so short w/ gun
strong gull
I dont get why silver only has 2 stam
autumn field
plus 35 second CD ult that gives you 3m/s move on t2, a 30% slow, etc
yeah but that's intended for Apollo
it's like Celeste having absurdist movement
it got nerfed, but she's still a 4 stamina with perfect air control, improved air acceleration, and reduced gravity
frail jasper
All standard traits for unicorns
autumn field
i think for Silver, they want her to be more of a slower bruiser kinda character
strong gull
Idk she reads as a diver similar to shiv for me
In more ways than just building meter
autumn field
in a way
mild flume
I mean she has the jump in ult form
autumn field
yeah
mild flume
which is premium engage
frail jasper
Hit em with the countdown 3 2 1 and wolf out on them
vivid nimbus
She's balanced around having 2 stam but yeah
autumn field
Apollo and Celeste i think are designed as exceptions to the standard of mobility, like Vyper is
vivid nimbus
There are brusier-y characters with 3 stam but still have CC and a movement ability. Abrams, Billy, MnK
agile rune
the goat
strong gull
I also used to play a lot of victor but he feels like eating paint
agile rune
he is but he's rewarding
autumn field
i hate playing drifter myself
mild flume
I feel like some billies basically constantly heal infinity and some die easily
strong gull
Billy gives you an ego when you play him
mild flume
there is some real tech to him that I have not quite figured out
strong gull
You must be the goat to win
autumn field
Billy is like, 0 braincells and 100 braincells at once
mild flume
you get that with a bunch of dota heroes too, heroes that seem kinda mindless but have a ton going on once you get good
strong gull
Also i feel like the 2131 combo is a misunderstanding
autumn field
21 light melee get drunk smash em more light melee again
autumn field
Also i feel like the 2131 combo is a misunderstanding
huh?
agile rune
I think his execution is simple but getting maximum value is all in the timing of your engages
strong gull
huh?
Saving the second 1 is important to get a free reload of your gun
Esp with t3 bashdown
autumn field
it depends on your HP and the tier of it
strong gull
From my experience the majority of your damage comes from your gun
strong gull
????
vivid nimbus
It depends on your enemies' ability to parry
strong gull
Spirit billy is a meme build
autumn field
no?
frail jasper
Hybrid is the way
strong gull
At least 150-200 of my deadlock hours are billy
You take green orange and branch into spirit for specific items
At least in my experience
vivid nimbus
Meme builds often work pretty well in initiate
frail jasper
Billy obviously benefits from a handful of oranges, most obviously Point Blank, and a handful of spirit items (TP, etc)
autumn field
also fyi i dont think the rank i have is accurate at all
frail jasper
Spirit snatch
strong gull
Spirit snatch is the best purple on billy
autumn field
it's very scuffed for some reason
frail jasper
A healthy Billy has an appropriate mix of colors
autumn field
i think the oranges my billy used were basically those two and not much else
earnest verge
Billy deals a shitload of gun damage if you let him, but what he prefers to build for tends to vary from patch to patch
(it helps that gun damage -> melee damage)
strong gull
Heroic aura my beloved
I build it on ivy
I build it on billy
I dont build it on holliday though
I know people dont like to heavy melee often on billy but i find baiting parries with crushing fists very entertaining
autumn field
this is the billy i ran not too long back
strong gull
My bat is a machine that turns roaming rems into pavement smears
strong gull
this is the billy i ran not too long back
Whats transcendent for
Esp with no actives
autumn field
lots of money
frail jasper
Superior Cooldown but you have too many souls
strong gull
Oh i also like titanic mag on billy
Having more bullets means greater mixup potential with your melee
autumn field
average game for me looks like this
strong gull
I dont get charge items on billy since echo shard comes free with t2 blasted
autumn field
yeah but i can smash them more than just once
agile rune
Having more bullets means greater mixup potential with your melee
it also means your melee reload gets more value
strong gull
Also its just a great item
frail jasper
Billy is a bully character for sure
You start winning and keep winning, especially if you're better at melee mindgames than your opponents
strong gull
Ok correct me if im horribly biased
agile rune
maybe but he's not feast or famine like some bully characters
strong gull
But i feel like getting parried is a bit too punishing
autumn field
truth
strong gull
I play billy 90% of the time
autumn field
3 or 4 seconds, right?
strong gull
So i definitely am biased
But in lategame teamfights when i get caught by someone panic mashing the parry button its always frustrating
agile rune
I'm honestly surprised with how viable melee can be
frail jasper
Unless preceded by a dagger
autumn field
but you have more DPS than your heavy melee iirc
so you're either shooting, reloading, or dead
frail jasper
Haze damage takes time to build up due to fixation
strong gull
Melee ivy has been my beloved ever since the fix
frail jasper
Spirit mix haze running echo shard to dagger melee dagger melee gun
strong gull
Especially with the knowledge that stone form + duration extender guarantees a heavy melee with 0% debuff res
autumn field
Haze damage takes time to build up due to fixation
i think my base dps on some insane pure orange haze build got to 500+ before fixation
i dont know how it calculates
but it was 500+
i dont think its viable for actual play
but, yeah
i think more reasonable is like, 350-400
anyways, night
rich grove
unless your opponent is just swinging the most obvious heavy melees in the world it easier to parry wrong than parry right and parrying wrong is bashing yourself for fun
your only recourse for this is lugging around an 800 item which while really annoying early also means they can be baited into autobashing even more
and the fact that melee scales off of weapon means that even if you can't just punch them there is a reasonable chance you click them in the head and they die
billy has an amazing m1 up close and if you build speed/mobility items you naturally have really good slide on top of weapon damage to make both halves of the 50/50 threatening
vivid nimbus
Ugggh had two crashes in one match, never had that happen before
rich grove
ultimately being a melee hero means in addition to your native gapclose and whatever mobility options you have, you also have the ability to make your opponent stun themselves for 2 seconds while you can do anything you want to them except press q
agile rune
do folks expect to see a role queue sometime soon?
rich grove
eh
roles are wacky and probably not super balanced rn just cause of the size of the hero pool
vivid nimbus
I think there's some light role queuing going on under the hood? Which makes assumptions in hero roles, but still
rich grove
yeah they had stuff like ivy and dynamo coded as "duo lane" heroes back when there were four lanes
so it wouldn't surprise me if they kept some of that logic in for mm
I just don't think we have the player pop or even understanding of what roles are in this game
"the big one", "the one that farms", "the one that buys divine barrier" and "the one that presses 4 to secure one kill"
agile rune
fair enough
rich grove
dota 12345 by contrast is much more regimented partly by playerbase knowledge and partly by design
vivid nimbus
Comp play seems to have a meta of 2 frontliners, 1 support, 1 carry, 1 pick, and 1 flex carry/pick
rich grove
you forgot "the shiv"
vivid nimbus
And also heroes that do better in side-lanes vs blue lane
twilit roost
mild flume
Comp play seems to have a meta of 2 frontliners, 1 support, 1 carry, 1 pick, and...
yeah I think something like this makes rough sense as a structure
compared to farm prios
plain furnace
Saw the ping for the regular games earlier. My connection isn't working well enough currently, so I won't be able to attend
