Deadlock

[bleak thicket]

can you post a "souls by source" from one of these games?

[plain furnace]

This one was last night, with another player on this server.

[final osprey]

There are certain characters that if left alone with a walker will just kill them. Like some only do so at a certain soul amount,
But like McGinnis can essentially go straight from lane into pumping damage into walkers.

[bleak thicket]

yeah that just looks like a game where the enemy team got out of control
your trooper soul numbers seem alright at least

[plain furnace]

And after the tenth minute, with the walker down and all, it becomes nearly impossible to farm creeps or push efficiently, since I tend to get ganked, or just lane-killed while trying to push back a lane

[bleak thicket]

yeah its hard to say

[plain furnace]

I realize I may be a bit exaggerating. It just feels weird to same thing happen time and time again

[bleak thicket]

looking at the games i feel like we got rolled
first walker usually goes down at around
14-15 minutes

[plain furnace]

So what can I do ? Because I've watched videos, I played a lot of bot games, I try to pick good items depending on the situation. I deny when I can, eliminate creeps when possible, but I don't see how I could help reverse steam

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1r4xzzs/when_you_lowkey_behind_by_100k_souls_art_by_me/

[bleak thicket]

ultimately there is a limited amount you can do, it is a team game
but if you feel like
a lane other then yours loses a walker, the game spirals from there, is a consistent pattern in your game
id say try to rotate and help with that
and see how it changes

[plain furnace]

hmmmm
okay
thanks

[agile rune]

if you like mcginnis she can be pretty good for these scenarios

[bleak thicket]

could watch some of the coaching videos from deathy
i know he's done coaching for lower rank people too?

[plain furnace]

Yeah, but I don't like playing too many games with the same character

[agile rune]

reasonable

[plain furnace]

...
I can't watch games. At least small tutorials or explanations, why not, but a full game seems much.

[bleak thicket]

you dont need to watch the entire coaching video!

watch the portions where they go over the first 10 minutes

honestly even the portion from 5-15 minutes into the game

[plain furnace]

hmmmm
okay

[bleak thicket]

cause yeah watching full games is a really big ask, i dont really do it myself

[plain furnace]

Oh
I almost never slide
Because I don't like my hand position when using my pinky on ctrl. And I don't know what key would be better

and I play Vyper, I know

[finite grotto]

If you have it maybe a mouse button like m4 or m5

[plain furnace]

I have put alternate shot on m5, and melee on m4

I could put ping on ctrl, and free m3 to move binds around

Also, I don't know how to aim, it seems

Albeit the deathy coaching I'm watching is from 5 months ago
Everything seems so slow and calm. It's a montage, yeah, but there seems to be less constant agression

[bleak thicket]

yeah if you play vyper
figuring out a better key for sliding should be your top priority

[finite grotto]

Alchemical fire is a pretty cool item 👀

[terse aspen]

Also, from what I can tell, it seems like it's more important to kill minions than damage players up to a certain point in the game. Especially early, if you damage players, you may not be able to get the kill if they play cautiously, but if you blow up their wave, they can't push your walker.

But I'm very new, so grain of salt, etc.

[plain furnace]

I'm under this impression too.
It seems to be minions>heroes>deny/confirm
Deny/confirm seem to be particularly conditional

[agile void]

wave pressure is important

[bleak thicket]

id honestly put deny/confirm over damaging heroes
if they dont confirm at all and you deny everything youll have a huge soul advantage

[agile void]

also minions unironically hurt a lot in laning

[merry verge]

I need to play more characters who aren't horrible at denies

[plain furnace]

and this is my last one
It just went well
I fed a little during the lane phase, but we got the guardian
I didn't play that well, but the game overall wasn't as aggressive as the others

[merry verge]

at least Silver's bullets move fast

love those lategame soul spikes when you hoover up 6k souls from a big wave

[median lantern]

found online

[plain furnace]

Doesn't do what ? Pee ? or Whashing the hands ?
There should also be "washes hands before peeing" for extra chaos

[final osprey]

I think this is the secret third option

[autumn field]

Opens door, pisses on archmother

[edgy fog]

the fact that billy isn't on this list is a crime

[merry verge]

Billy is hands free like his reload

[quaint kernel]

Found a build that works with Celeste, it pumps the number of Daggers she can do to make farming a lot easier

Other builds really didn't focus on that and it was making me confused

[gray otter]

either/or, given that victor's in there

[plain furnace]

Can pee be blessed to become Holy Water ? Would Venator recharge this way ?

[ivory reef]

I strongly strongly recommend creating custom binds where you can easily jump, dash and slide in any direction

I slide use capslock

I've simply converted my capslock key into control on an os level

I dash with mouse 4

[plain furnace]

I moved the ping to Ctrl, melee to A (i'm in Azerty, so Q in Qwerty), Parry m5, slide to m4, and alternate use on m3

[warped ridge]

Yeah everyone should do this

I move crouch to mouse 5.

[finite grotto]

i need to get some secondary keys for a and d

[warped ridge]

Why?

I would never double bind movement outside of a movement macro

[finite grotto]

I have a weird hand position and it is actually not easy for me to use a and d/ iI very rarely use a and d

I never really "learned" or used the standard wasd finger positions

[warped ridge]

But why make the keys secondary and not just rebind left/right to something else?

Like

It's okay to not learn it

But you gotta learn something that's comfortable to you

[finite grotto]

Thats true

[vivid nimbus]

What do you do when you want to type a whole sentence in all caps?

[warped ridge]

And double binding for the purpose of, "I don't like the base bindings but will keep them anyways" is bad habit if it's something as critical as movement

[finite grotto]

I have been playing shooters for years without using a and d / left and right really so it do be time to finally relearn lol

[warped ridge]

Can't she just hold down shift?

[warped ridge]

Well hold on. What do you normally use?

[vivid nimbus]

I like how you don't question the idea that she'd want to do that at all

[warped ridge]

I mean, she plays deadlock/dota.

To learn either you have to be a bit of a psycho (positive)

[granite heath]

you don't have to allcaps to communicate

[bleak thicket]

no you dont

you can be civil lol

[warped ridge]

No not

[bleak thicket]

our entire stack has perfect 12k behaviour in dota lol

[agile void]

yeah going for all caps is entirely seem as aggresive

[bleak thicket]

anyone dropping to 11,999 is a meme for weeks

[warped ridge]

I meant in this way

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1r5akfj/pov_invaded_the_wrong_sinners/
if its kinda too political I will delete it

[bleak thicket]

looool

[warped ridge]

Not in the behavior way lol

[agile void]

what you see right after abrams shoulder bash you

[warped ridge]

They need to add this already

[bleak thicket]

they will most likely

[warped ridge]

But tbf I know they're doing other stuff first

[bleak thicket]

theyve been porting dota client features for a while

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1r5fls4/my_buddys_fanart_drawthymelacassebskysocial/

[warped ridge]

Idk

[finite grotto]

ok so this will be a bit tough to explain I do use A and D but not a lot. I use my index finger for w and use my thumb for A/S/D, Shift and space. So I do use A and D but very very intermittently/ for small (re)adjustments but I usually avoid pressing like W/S+ A or D so I very rarely move diagonal. I just change my direction with mouse and w

[warped ridge]

Gotcha so like

Even saying you use it for small adjustments is already putting in more work than you probably need

[finite grotto]

the barrier I now have in deadlock is for like air strafing and movement like walljumps with an side input

[warped ridge]

Air strafing is 2 inputs unless they changed it. But uhh

[finite grotto]

It is prob a thing that I am using way more subconsciously then I like actually think yee

[warped ridge]

Yeh and that's fine in some cases

But if it's base movement that's gonna make more complex movement more mechanically complex later

Idk what the streamers have their bindings as

Does anyone know?

[warped ridge]

Are you opposed to using wsad or do you just not like it currently?

[vast sandal]

alright I think

I think the reason I'm behind on souls in lane often is because I'm too timid and don't buy earlygame sustain that actually keeps you in lane

gonna start buying Healing Rite if I'm against a lane that pokes me out a lot

[warped ridge]

I kinda default buy sustain depending on the lane

It's gr8 cause it's better than league where people want to buy pots

[finite grotto]

against poke also worth to think about resto shot or extra regen

[warped ridge]

I hate buying pots

[vast sandal]

pots suck

healing rite fucks

[finite grotto]

healing rite is so nice but against poke the healing can also be shot of if you are in lane

[vast sandal]

consumables would be such a trap in this game unless they let you dookie all over your opponent in lane lul

[final osprey]

I love extra regen. Getting to heal just passively feels so good

[agile void]

that is why you just back down

very few people can actually hit you without LoS early

[vast sandal]

dicta players will come for you though

[finite grotto]

super fair ya. I have pivoted more into rest and extra regen for a bit more agression andl ane presence but if i am mega stomped healing rite and hide to be da way

altough I feel resto buy does depend sometimes on your heroe gun aswell for sure

yamato bombs are so nice for getting it

[vivid nimbus]

Healing rite is also great for roamers, b/c you can pop it as you leave lane and it even gives you sprint speed

[agile void]

you can also just

[merry verge]

Also the friendliest option

[agile void]

hit boxes while you heal with rite

[vast sandal]

I feel like the thing to be doing is go your side's rooftop, heal, get boxes and statues no

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah also works while doing boxes. And camps! And sinners! Only hero (and objective) damage interrupts it

[merry verge]

Extra Regen Melee Lifesteal makes Silver laning feel permanent

[warped ridge]

Ngl I still have no idea lane rotations

I need to go find a video

[finite grotto]

rite also doesnt go away when punching sinners rite? or jungle vreeps?

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah

Oh I did forget objective damage also interrupts it but who uses it while hitting tower?

[warped ridge]

Who uses what?

[vivid nimbus]

Rite

[warped ridge]

Oh the active?

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah

[warped ridge]

I try to avoid it

I don't like actives

[vivid nimbus]

Healing rite is really good

[finite grotto]

are there any other big majleap users othern then Pocket?

[vivid nimbus]

Bebop

[warped ridge]

Lash

Shiv

[vast sandal]

Doorman if you're trying to be even more omnipresent

[finite grotto]

hmhm

oh i gotta try it on bepop

vertical insec sounds reaaaaaallly funny

[vast sandal]

Abrams probably

[finite grotto]

hmhm

i need to try it out on more characters for sure

I am so tempted to use it in haze sometimes for fun

[merry verge]

Is Majestic Leap Mo Ult still a thing

[agile void]

im surprised none of you said Warden

[finite grotto]

oh dynamo

[agile void]

you would see wardens just maj leaping in and preparing ult in the middle of the air to engage

[finite grotto]

oh ye i can def see it

god his ult windup is so fucking long

[vivid nimbus]

Maj Leap on Bebop is also used for ult

[finite grotto]

oh can you repostion during ult?

[agile void]

nope sadly

also I saw some seven maj leaping but its not as good on him

[finite grotto]

ah i see just to get high up without the line

I def am gonna try it on bepop

[warped ridge]

I havent seen it in awhile but a few years ago I remember it yeah

[finite grotto]

fly in to bop someone into my team

[vivid nimbus]

Bebop can technically reposition even without leap, but it's slow

[agile void]

gotta need ivy or someone with rescue beam

[finite grotto]

oh wait

can you extend your hook with majleap

[vivid nimbus]

But if you use leap before ult it doesn't just put Bebop high up, it also gives him more air control

[merry verge]

so that's how the Orbital Bebops have been doin it

[agile void]

have you seen the edits of bebop just dive bombing people before the change to selfcasting bomb?

[finite grotto]

IT WORKS

you can majleap part 1, hook someone and then use the down movement to ypink someone further

prob super impractical but very funny

hook someone around a corner lol

[finite grotto]

oh you can!

[agile void]

though you couldnt use actives in ult

[finite grotto]

so you cant use the first part of the jump during ult

but if you use majleap then ult you can still use the drop down during it

so you can majlea, ult then use the secondary actiovation to repostion

but apparently only when the beam is shooting

there is a bit janky here where sometimes i cant do it

ok apprently you have to hold a movement key during bepop ult for the drop down to work

no idea why

funky!

[terse aspen]

I am once again encountering the classic MOBA challenge: forgetting to use my activated items

[stable forum]

it is

[ivory reef]

??? do you really think i'd allcap text people? seriously?

if so that's really insulting

[warped ridge]

no?

I thought you meant pvp sickos as in pvp game with deep/complex mechanics?

did you not?

like holy shit if you actually meant it negatively I'm really sorry

[vast sandal]

I think the miscommunication here is between using capslock as a OS control is pvp psycho brain (positive) vs interpreting it as if you're a pvp psycho you're capslock flaming in allchat

shoutouts to the Silver who won lane and then got really really mad I was trying to kill her Paige because they were a couple playing together on Valentine's, that was a weird interaction

[warped ridge]

I'm super confused yeah

like

should I be assuming when people don't say something positive that they 100% mean it negatively? because if so I won't repeat others

[bleak thicket]

I mean
Tech mentioned "how you all caps" and " you're assuming she would all caps" and you said "well she plays dota"

Like the whole thing started in the context of all caps

I don't see how it's confusing that we all assumed you meant it as "this is why winged would all caps"

[warped ridge]

I meant deadlock/dota as "why she would ever use shift key over using capslock" in capitalization because the mechanical effort of hitting shift key is more than caps lock ?

[vast sandal]

yeah I was lost on this one too not gonna lie

do people not use caps lock to type, like, acronyms faster

[bleak thicket]

Acronyms are like, 3 to 4 letters
I don't really need caps for that

[granite heath]

I use capslock pretty much exclusively at work where the terminal requires me to use it for commands, and it makes annoying beeping at me if I forget to type in caps

[vast sandal]

I just feel like I got sent to an alien planet trying to follow this conversation, saying its pvp psycho brain to hold shift because your caps lock key is reprogrammed to an OS modifier key was weird and assuming that using caps lock ever or texting people in all caps means you're toxic and flaming people is also weird

I text my girlfriend in all caps to go OH SHIIIIIIT NICE JOB when there's good news

[bleak thicket]

Typing in all caps is a proxy for screaming
In the context of games it's usually used for flaming

[warped ridge]

like if me referencing when Winged used pvp sickos didn't clear up what I meantt because it was used negatively then like, Idk, I 100% assume she meant it positively and that's my bad yeah

[bleak thicket]

I think you misunderstood techs question reverb

[vast sandal]

shooting soul orbs refunds the bullet huh

[frail jasper]

Yeah

[vast sandal]

I guess that's how you CS as like, Abrams or Pockets and don't immediately dry up your mag

[warped ridge]

at this point I feel like it cause I thought Tech was asking how would you capitalize a full sentence if you don't use caps lock

[bleak thicket]

She did yes
But then she said "I like how you don't question the idea that she'd want to do that at all"
Referring to her needing/wanting to all caps at people

Not to her using shift

The button is irrelevant

[warped ridge]

I mean I'd find it strange if she was flaming yeah but my mind went to like she's team chatting in all caps about something silly happening and falling through the floor or something

[lavish grove]

Chat, I think pocket is my favorite deadlock character character wise

Unfortunately I suck ass at them

How do I get better?

[warped ridge]

If it's fighting I would suggest brawl and getting comfortable that way, laning phase best thing I would say is lookup a streamer that plays them

[lavish grove]

Yah probably a good idea

[severe loom]

Pocket also benefits a good amount from knowing how to rotate around the map easier, so learning places to quickly get to other lanes is something that can really help

[lavish grove]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-noted-notes-gif-26231953

[river willow]

I have found out that Mo and Krill are called fuckin' "Mo and Small" in Russian for some godforsaken reason

[granite heath]

Krill -> Shrimp -> Small?

[river willow]

i guess

[warped ridge]

True, I bet you can also throw the jacket, melee like the uhh, those bridge side middle buffs, and then tele to jacket right?

[severe loom]

Yep, that'll get you rotating very fast

[vast sandal]

gahd, I don't know what I'm missing but I really need to get more souls in lane to not fall behind

[random urchin]

How are you at stealing souls from the opponents?

[twilit roost]

If the wave is pushed too much up are you leaving any on the ground? Definitely noticed that's easy to do since the soul change

[warm sonnet]

If the enemy troopers are all dead, go to a sinners. If there is no sinners, go to a camp, if there are no camps, take some boxes.

Hell, take boxes when they foolishly exist near you

[vast sandal]

absolutely swagged on my lane as Doorman and then the rest of my team got folded like chairs

[finite patrol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1005257138748264458/1472750118871629945/RDT_20260216_022249.mp4?ex=6993b4ee&is=6992636e&hm=5f72a9c80533c6ddced75518f85e5e68da221c91fd5196eec26ab43a6d085b64&

[merry verge]

What do you even do about Sinclair

I feel like I see them one in one hundred games but they always hard carry

Silence Wave, I spose?

[lavish grove]

Silences yah

[merry verge]

Orbital nukes are just kind of hard to deal with

[lavish grove]

Also spell breaker

Helps both survive his nuke and get you out of bunny

[autumn field]

Why do people call Rem a chud baby anyways

[merry verge]

idk I tend to call him ratbaby

[lavish grove]

He’s fat

[lavish grove]

Unfortunately Mobas no matter how good they are are an inherently evil genre I think

[raven spindle]

Time will tell if Deadlock's community meets that standard

[short steppe]

trying Celeste finally and she seems really fun

[finite patrol]

people have started using the word chud as a meaningless term because it sounds kinda funny

[autumn field]

gonna test my green graves concept

[finite patrol]

its a funny sounding word sure but it refers to a pretty shitty kinda person

[autumn field]

not sure how to do the distribution

tbh i dont like any 4chan-originating terminology

[finite patrol]

slowing hex also stops assistant swapping so you can actually pin their ass down

[raven spindle]

It's Not is the funny thing

[vast sandal]

I apologize to Paradox

I did not understand her game

I’ve been utterly swagging on enemy lanes as her

[lavish grove]

Yah chud came from like, chapo trap house I think?

One of the dirt bag left podcasts anyway

[finite patrol]

I love that her dash is like a move from one of those early 2000s movies where they dodge trip lasers

[vast sandal]

Just dropping in like HEAD’S UP CHUCKLEFUCKS with the Kinetic Carbine

[raven spindle]

It was originally used to deride channer types iirc, just the general breed of bigoted asshole you'd find around those parts

[finite patrol]

kinda person who treats being a racist sexist transphobic pos as a funny hobby

[autumn field]

when i say 4chan, i mean how the term on the internet came to work

ergo, it did come from chapo trap house, but then became a 4chan centralized thing that expanded through the internet

[vast sandal]

Chud doesn’t really see use on the chans though

[autumn field]

huh, i recall reading some stuff where the term got popularized by the chans

[vast sandal]

I almost exclusively hear it used to deride channer types or to be like “fuck my stupid chud life this is going awful”

[mossy lance]

@rich grove ok i had to test your theory because it was funny and yeah

stealing silver ult as sinclair DOES turn your assistant into a wind up chaingun

[rich grove]

FAHHHHH

when the +flat damage aimbot fires at 3000rpm

[autumn field]

i fucking love the FAHHHH death sound

[mossy lance]

the only weird thing is that it only works if you're actively hitting someone with the claws

rather than on attack like normal

[finite grotto]

I suck mega ass at early game warden

But

If we haven't lost by minute 25 I can change the world!

[finite patrol]

buy hvr if you dont already it really helps

[finite grotto]

ye its my first or second buy in lane usually

absolutely blasted in lane this game

We still won tho after a giant comeback!

[merry verge]

Followup question

How do you stop Mirage

Yet another Nobody Plays but Always Dominates

At least Sinclair is fun to watch

[finite patrol]

yikes

[twilit roost]

End the game before he gets ricochet +

[finite grotto]

Yeeeee very large parts of that were on me. Played way to aggressive and tried to fish for kills that backfired. Went out of lane 0/4

But after I went just sidelane farming and jungling while the enemy just walked around and! We eeked out the win!

Late game warden is so fun

Just walkin and shootin 😌

[merry verge]

I personally dislike this design as like a hardcap on game length lmao

[finite patrol]

why leech over vamp burst Vero

[finite grotto]

I was thinking about vamp burst but I thought that leech gave overall a higher stat increase/healing for a higher uptime and I did do spirit damage with flask but thinking about it a bit further vamp might have been better 🤔

Does bullet lifesteal also calculate spirit dmg sources on autos like from magnum?

But ye wow thinking about vamp burst its an insane dmg spike in a fight for warden huh

[rich grove]

consider buying every single other item that is good against a guy who needs to hold m1 to win the game and then also being less snitty

[merry verge]

I got Berserker I got Dispel I got Plated Armor I am trying

[finite grotto]

I think mirage is also fairly weak early if you can abuse it

[finite patrol]

if mirage has a tough lane he can buy resto shot + regen and be very hard to kill

[finite grotto]

Fuck I forgot to buy spellslinger again on warden

[finite patrol]

no

[finite grotto]

Okok

[finite patrol]

honestly I haven't bought merc mag on warden since the ult nerfs

active reload is better

[finite grotto]

That was I think one of my main thoughts on why I got the leech instead of vamp burst (even tho I didn't know for sure)

[autumn field]

decided to test out green graves in a bot match

the healing potential is stupid

[finite grotto]

Ye I had active reload like 70% of the game but thought magnum would just be a higher increase I'm damage

[finite patrol]

vamp burst is muuuch better on gun heroew

[finite grotto]

Nodnod

Will def try it next time instead

[autumn field]

so, immediate opinion:

green graves must be spirit focused

[finite patrol]

oof that could have been your spellslinger lmao

[rich grove]

I like magnum on warden with 5s cd on 1 and your repeated spam

[autumn field]

you'd probably run ricochet as your T4, toxic bullets

[rich grove]

it's pretty solid for building out of qsr but if you skip qsr then just buy spellslinger as your first t4

[autumn field]

this works for your debuff, anti-heal, and wave clear

[finite grotto]

Hmhm

[rich grove]

the other thing is the weird inconsistent ruling around what metal skin does or doesn't prevent

[finite grotto]

I am currently doing glass canon as first t4 usually

[rich grove]

i genuinely can't remember if merc mag damage gets blocked by metal skin or not

or if im confusing it with plated

but splitting damage types is pretty reasonable generally

[finite grotto]

Very true

I could def see selling surge or bullet resist shredder for a magnum late instead 🤔

[finite patrol]

yeah if you have lots of gun already merc mag surge and ap5 flask is great. if you are your only gun hero then I think active reload hvr headshot fleet foot is just so solid to start with you dont bother with qsr

[rich grove]

i generally don't love glass cannon because bluntly i die a lot and i think warden isn't actually super tanky, and he doesn't get the +gorillion damage across his entire kit that venator does

[merry verge]

15% of your health is a lot of health

[rich grove]

so you don't benefit that much on 0 stacks compared to just buying spellslinger

[finite patrol]

its definitely a lot worse now that its nerfed and loses 2 stacks per death

[rich grove]

which has -0% health

[merry verge]

I will say been eating a lot of Glass Cannon Venators

[rich grove]

you don't get the monster +80% damage base buuuut

[merry verge]

Guy walking around with like 1800 hp

[finite grotto]

It's still one stack per death no?

Is the game lying?

[finite patrol]

yeah the description is not currently correct

[finite grotto]

huh

[rich grove]

clasico

[finite grotto]

damm

[finite patrol]

I dont know if this is intended or was stealth fixed but last time I bought it I got 3 kills, died and had 1 stack

[rich grove]

glass cannon venator is just kind of accepting that you're going to be a backliner, which is fine when you theoretically kill people crossmap, a get-off-me button and a grenade which can be hucked from miles out

but not getting any value out of warden ult+root + limited value out of flask is pretty brutal

warden's gun also just drops like crazy

[finite grotto]

my current like early path on warden is usually hvr with maybe extra regen and then fleetfoot, monster rounds, active reload and then either green stuff for 4.8 or bsr and surge of power if lane is going gud

[finite patrol]

4.8**

[finite grotto]

ok I am rethinking my early gc then

after i buy it i am usually around 2.1 k health or so

def gonna try out early spellslinger

[rich grove]

love ta sling spells thats what its all about baby love da spells

[finite patrol]

I go 2/3 of HSB, HVR, Monster maybe pick up regen or rebuttal, get active reload fleetfoot for spike and battle vest then get enduring speed and knockdown

[finite grotto]

I need to get the vest/enchanter emblem more often

[rich grove]

ill say my current build might be out of date post the various warden ult twiddles

[finite patrol]

warden can go double vest enduring speed if yr doing hybrid but thats worse now that ult build is worse

[finite grotto]

but ngl I am fighting so much in lane that i am usually not at 65% and i am def not given those items enough credit

[finite patrol]

wait what am I talking about lmao

I get dash before ff

how could I forget the stam item

[rich grove]

love da kinetic dash

[finite grotto]

I am 50/50 on kindash. Stam Items I prob buy way to less on all my characters

[rich grove]

yeah it might be time for mr. run ya down to come back out

[finite grotto]

I think atm i am only doing stam mastery on like silver

[rich grove]

been a while since I played just flat orange warden + a knockdown/slowing gex cameo

[finite grotto]

kindash sounds pretty good on Pocket actually....

I am just doing alchemical fire and mystic shoot for my 4.8gun on them

Alchemical fire do be a sick item

[finite patrol]

isnt arcane surge kinda goated on pocket tho

[rich grove]

only annoying thing is surging ult

[finite grotto]

I have not seen it yet on pocket or on the builds I use as rough guidance

I can def see why it would be good tho

aw man if Wardens ult would better I would love to build spiritual overflow on him

overflow plus spellslinger sounds sick af

[autumn field]

average deadlock convo

[finite patrol]

you can still do ult build its just less good rn

[finite grotto]

hmhm

[finite patrol]

if I do badly in lane I usually pivot

[finite grotto]

I do really like gun warden with and throwing flasks

[rich grove]

lightning scrollbot makes up for a lot of mistakes

you pretty much cannot show your face when your ult is off cd though

[finite grotto]

It is very different to the usual heroes (Yamato, Pocket) I currently play which is a nice change of pace

[rich grove]

best you can hope for is like

mystic slow flask + knockdown + 3 over and over

[finite grotto]

I would enjoy ult warden for sure but that fucking 2 second charge up time is legit killing me dead

[rich grove]

but what are you following up with

[finite grotto]

2 seconds ahhhh

[autumn field]

christ apollo is hard in street brawl

[rich grove]

I mean if you're ultbotting you have to buy maj leap

like you just do

[finite patrol]

yeah you spend those 2 seconds descending from the sky

[finite grotto]

He makes a great addition to my rooster. And between Warden, Yamato and Pocket I basically am guaranteed to get them. In my skill bracket I see basically no Wardens and Yamatos and pockets fairly rarely

[finite patrol]

I mean if you have 3 old heroes you are guaranteed

[rich grove]

@finite patrol have you tried ballistic enhancement on 1 yet out of curiosity

[finite patrol]

no

I did use it last time I went ult build. on ult. was solid

[rich grove]

the other hellish thought

...on 3

[finite patrol]

no

I have been enjoying surge on shield

cus the scaling ridic

[rich grove]

one million mile long range on root

shield scaling + movespeed p hot

[finite grotto]

surge on shield does sound slick

[finite patrol]

600 shield WP on a gun build is nothing to sniff at

[finite grotto]

who even builds Ballistic Enchantment in general? I have seen/run it on Geist and I use it on my pocket 1 from time to time

[rich grove]

you just briefly become Veteran Darktide for a bit

[rich grove]

Seven

[finite grotto]

oh putting it on ball ic

[rich grove]

ballistic enchantment/recharging rush were invented for Seven

those items changed this broke prisoner's life

legitimately fixes so much of his item theory, immediately bent most builds in such a way as to incorporate them

[finite grotto]

I also gotta try out Spiritual Overflow more. I assume its also like a seven/wraith item?

[rich grove]

it's weird

I think wraith, yeah

infernus was also one of the big buyers

[finite grotto]

I really wanna try it out on yamato with some more gun investment

oh ye infernus

man is he ok?

[finite patrol]

he's not doing so hot

[rich grove]

he apparently got kicked off a cliff at some point? I have no clue

[rich grove]

dohohohohohoho

[finite grotto]

[finite patrol]

the nerfs caught up with him

[rich grove]

he got slow hexd

couldnt press 2

[finite patrol]

every fern ive seen recently has been dash build

[finite grotto]

hmm spiritual rend, berserker and spiritual overflow as like late gun investment for yamato sound sick

[rich grove]

sometimes they do just be buying six hundred spellbreakers

[finite grotto]

ya

[rich grove]

and you have to pivot

[finite patrol]

oh man I was learning Abrams today in brawl and I got resilience colossus spellbreaker every game against apollo celeste every game

[finite grotto]

I wanted to die playing vs a seraphim wing viscous

I hate seraphim wings

They were a fucking fighter jet

I dont even understand were all the damage came from

[ivory reef]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FaGYoXCGos

[autumn field]

hmmm

man a good abrams is hellish to play against

they just wont die ever

[finite grotto]

Echo shard wall bashing

Be the hero and dash in for the parry

[finite patrol]

as a bad Abrams I also didnt die ever

[frail jasper]

losing streak ended, rem gaming MAX

I have to go watch the replay again though because apparently I made a mina's head explode and she ragequit?

I only noticed when the enemy silver told me well done

[unique scarab]

I wasn't recording vc, but one of my friends said "It's okay, Seven will just go in and press 4" and what do you know,

[late hare]

truuuuue

[finite patrol]

9000 souls over 10 seconds is not bad

[rich grove]

😭

[warped ridge]

I mean I try not to complain about it here but yeah, this is kind of the default expectation I keep in my mind

it's kind of the one thing I wish pvp games had a disclaimer about

[vast sandal]

okay so I lost all my PairO'socks games but I felt like I was the coolest one in the lobby the whole time

[warped ridge]

I am never the coolest one in any lobby in any game I play

[vast sandal]

you OK?

[warped ridge]

ehh, I'm better than the lobbies I get on a holistic level I feel, even if I lose the lane I still end up like 22/7 or something

granted it's all skill issue cause I could just be better at laning and also I do need to improve on learning all the movement tech + map rotations

[vast sandal]

Damn, could not be me, I’m getting stomped constantly in this game

[warped ridge]

I can't speak for lobbies MMR because I feel my rank is boosted somehow

but even if it is, deadlock is kind of a specific game where like

if you kind of develop player archetypes you can kinda swing a game into your personal favor

[vast sandal]

Losing lane against aggro ass bloodthirsty ass opponents half the time and the other half my partner and I win lane and then look at the scoreboard and it’s like “ah yeah we won lane but unfortunately Apollo has 20k souls at 10min so the game’s over”

[warped ridge]

like I kinda divide people into 3 sets-
farmers, fighters, and vets (I don't have a good name for this third type)

farmers are people who might not perform well in lane but they almost always stop a lane from pushing into a tower and crashing and will usually be a threat because they just afk farm, they usually aren't good at fighting or else they would already be ahead

fighters are people who win lanes but they usually don't know how to snowball and either can't farm efficiently or don't do anything with their lead because they lack good fight skills

vets are people that have no real issues playing and are mainly going to be the reason your team loses or wins

the two earlier types you just kinda play around them

so like apollo getting 20k souls at 10 min, you kind of keep in mind "ok, he's 20k souls, how is my lane doing and where is everyone else at"

and you kind of just gauge how people's fight skill might go and then you can go in your head "okay I can win against anyone except apollo and maybe X because X is over there and they have 4 kills and 0 deaths"

and then you look at your team and go "okay these people might not be able to fight so if I'm around them I need to be careful that they don't accidentally bait me due to inexperience or w/e"

then at this point you look at the map and go "okay I've determined who I can fight on enemy team, I will now farm first, obj 2nd, and kill 3rd"

then you just gotta mentally paint a bubble on the minimap around the people you can't fight

like maybe you can 1v2 people but if you're unsure you gotta paint your bubble around the paige and mina in midlane so you can't free farm next to them unless they're already busy

like Idk exactly how supports work in this game on if you need to be by people to effectively play certain chars

but you like Doorman right?

if you like Doorman and Apollo is dangerous that omae wa mou shindeiru's everything in his sight you could just put a door in the other lane where you're doing your main farming and then try to farm the jg around apollo, if you see him start getting close, just enter door and close it behind you

[vast sandal]

I play Doorman, Pair Of Socks, and Wraith

[warped ridge]

oh also you gotta build fight confidence

[vast sandal]

I'm getting pretty handy at Doorman, Wraith is kind of a work in progress and Paradox I just whimsically decided to play today and went "this character's sick actually?"

[warped ridge]

Idk if that's an issue but I see a lot of players ignore their own kill capacity

[vast sandal]

I've been getting more used to the idea that actually if I spot my lane opponent hovering around 400 hp as Doorman

I should just fucking kill them if they stick their neck out too far

[warped ridge]

exactly

so here's the funny thing

I've seen a lot of people play pvp games (in general) like how they should extraction shooters

[vast sandal]

I went completely ape shit on a Seven player as Paradox today where they just relentlessly kept deciding to peek out and look for some more farm and I kept snapping my jaws shut on their neck

and then, uh, my other teammates lost lane really hard :(

[warped ridge]

it happens

and it's okay!

teammates that lose a lane can still be helpful in other ways

even bad teammates can still grant vision

[vast sandal]

nah yeah but like

I can diff Seven and Rem as hard as I want over here, but if Geist goes 0-18-0 and feeds the shit out of Apollo we're going to get smoked

[warped ridge]

depends

Apollo is just one guy

[vivid nimbus]

I've had multiple lanes with the Billy who will not stop going ham

[warped ridge]

like yes, if team just doesn't do well, then it happens, but one person on one team getting fed never guarantees that team wins

[vast sandal]

sorry to be clear

[warped ridge]

hold on lemme find an example

[vast sandal]

4 of our 6 were just getting folded like an omelet

[warped ridge]

hmm

so at that point it would depend

[vivid nimbus]

And that Billy is then somewhere between like 1/7/0 and 3/5/2 at nine minutes

[warped ridge]

basically depending on how much the 2 of your team can handle

like if both of the 2 people can handle 1v2s or handle getting picks constantly

then it's still possible

but yeah it's not an easy game

[vast sandal]

we lost but it wasn't an easy win for them

[warped ridge]

then ye it happens

usually if I think a game is lost I quit worrying about winning as much and more just think about individual performance and K/D/A

[finite grotto]

We take the second 😌

[warped ridge]

as much as deadlock is a team game

[finite grotto]

def me when I billy

[warped ridge]

It's usually not worth for me to just die with the rest of my team in a teamfight I feel is not good for our team

[frail jasper]

I've had pretty good success with verbally telling people that "I'm not with you" or "you're alone", not telling them to retreat. I think it puts the decision to leave on them (so I'm not backseating) but gives them the awareness of "oh no I'm fighting 1v2 without help"

[vivid nimbus]

The latter is usually accompanied by my own 2/2/3 but yeah it goes into a playable midgame

[vast sandal]

one person vs none person is the difference between losing the entire game or holding on, driving the enemy back, and potentially recovering

[warped ridge]

yeah it's a ping I feel maybe should exist in deadlock proper (maybe it does)

like I've had times where uhh

my teammate pings someone, chases them slightly, so I go around to fight the person, knowing I can only really win the 2v1

[frail jasper]

Similarly telling people "I'm with you" as I'm on my way to their location informs them that help is coming whether it's an escape or cue to suddenly jump on someone

[warped ridge]

and then I enter a 1v1 because my teammate is walking away and I'm like "well shit" lol

[vivid nimbus]

Oh yeah that happens, is a mood

[warped ridge]

I mean it's a skill issue on my part tbf

esp cause like

I have a bad habit of assuming people understand their own kill potential

[frail jasper]

On a related note, I LOVE the feeling of seeing a fight happening (any size) and I look at the map and call out "ABRAMS, INCOMING LEFT SIDE" and everyone immediately pivots and doesn't die to the sneaky arriving enemy

[warped ridge]

like my number one cause of deaths outside of lane in deadlock is walking into a 1v1 or 1v2 because I assumed my teammate who was still in the lane would actually fight

[finite grotto]

Can you ping ults in deadlock atm? I know there is the little indicator at top but other then that?

[warped ridge]

I think you can ping your own ult

and say if it's ready or on cd

err

to be clear when I mean skill issue on my part

I mean like

it happens so often that I really should never assume it

Idk how to fix it tho wrt to like, randoms

but I don't know how deadlock's ping system works

(and to be clear I'm not complaining)

[frail jasper]

I talk openly so technically that's a way to signal ult readiness :v

[warped ridge]

yeah Idk how you do that

[frail jasper]

I greet my team every game and tell them good luck in their lanes

icebreaker works

[warped ridge]

I forgot to say gl hf in team chat

sometimes at least

well

not team chat

all chat

[frail jasper]

even if I'm the only one speaking, oftentimes just introducing myself as someone who DOES talk means people will listen to my callouts more

beyond that it's a lot of careful word choice to phrase things as "can you do X" if it's not urgent

[warped ridge]

oh

nah I could never speak openly

people hate me at a default

best thing for me is to like, have a game specific way of communicating

like smite's voice command system

[terse aspen]

This is actually really clever. I like this.

[winged terrace]

i need more vids of rem's helpers boppin to different songs

[finite patrol]

why game with gun have so many people who kill

[finite grotto]

Wait

[vivid nimbus]

Holliday, Wraith, and Yamato are also strikers I think

[finite grotto]

What is yamato doing in artillery

Or is artillery = burst oneshooters

[vivid nimbus]

Wait what is Geist doing in arty, are you playing bomb Geist?

[finite patrol]

i spent 30 seconds on this haha

[finite grotto]

Raise the torches!

[finite patrol]

yeah yam and geist should be in the other place. holliday is art/striker/controller

[final osprey]

I don't think Lash does much controlling outside his ult. He's more of a blowing people up guy.

[vivid nimbus]

Would probably put Silver and MnK in defender and Graves in controller too

[vast sandal]

isn't Pockets more of an artillery enjoyer

[finite grotto]

Oh wait I didn't realize it was lancer classes

[finite patrol]

yes lol

[finite patrol]

pocket teleports beside you and kills you i think thats a striker

they just have spirit barrage before they do that

[finite grotto]

Yee

[vast sandal]

ah, Silver in the Defender class because she's a shotgunner eh

[finite patrol]

i think she's probably a striker but i dont player so im listening to techhead

[vivid nimbus]

If you were doing hybrids I'd definitely have her defender/striker

[final osprey]

I think Silver is a defender because she gets an ult which gives her like 1000+ Extra health and soaks up like all of the enemy teams aggro

Whilst having an ult which is essentially just another ability

Outside of wolf she is gun burst though

[cerulean pendant]

thoughts on practicing mirage as a flex coming from mcginnis onetrick?

[warped ridge]

I mean, if you're trying to not to onetrick, practicing any other char is good, if you mean specific stuff

I'd say mirage can also push lanes well but I'm mainly basing that off what some people have told me

[finite patrol]

going from one character with 2 skills to another makes sense :3c

don't see anything wrong with that though

[final osprey]

If you have good aim Mirage is really good

[finite patrol]

yeah he's kind of brutal late game once he can really stack up mark toxic inhibitor on the entire team with ricochet

[rich grove]

he is basically just always solid

unlike gunnis tapfiring is fairly important on him

before your 2ap(?) djinns mark upgrade that extends the debuff duration, you specifically want to be holding back shots so you don't lose a juicy 8x stack because you needed to reload

[finite patrol]

he's a very "take shots you'll hit" kinda gun carry yeah

[cerulean pendant]

gave him a few tries on street brawl and i higk fw him but that might just be street brawl things

[rich grove]

he definitely becomes very uh

straightforward

when you have a bunch of items

but until you hit certain damage spikes in the vanilla gamemod (5ap mark, surge, toxic, burst, rico) you're gonna mostly stick to being a constantly annoying map presence and fighting lots of little skirmishes

weirdly your main goal is basically just

"ragebait the enemy into overstaying, at which point they die of a stomach ulcer and a 12x djinn's stack"

otherwise you kind of don't actually do that much damage

iirc his pure gun growth is actually quite bad among the carries

so you really want to focus on hitting people with the You Are Already Dead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzm1MVh-m58 @vast sandal

[final osprey]

His gun growth seems to be bad more so because of his slow fire rate, his actual bullet damage is fairly normal

[rich grove]

yknow what, for playing from behind the entire match i'll take it

[warped ridge]

I know I'm generally stupid to the point it upsets people but
Were people really not experiencing toxicity in deadlock earlier?

Like right now it's been the least toxic I've seen it been in awhile

[merry verge]

I had one toxic Seven tonight but /shrug

[warped ridge]

it's why I want the behavior system already cause if they put it in now it would be easier to curb the toxicity I used to see

[warped ridge]

yeah I get maybe one person on an unlucky time every other playsession, back in nov last year I had like 8 games in a row with people being toxic and 2 years ago it was more like half-ish

[vast sandal]

won a game as Paradox!

I stunted on em with the Refresher Paradox, dragging them back and forth through the time wall

[autumn field]

I’ve had ONE case of actual toxicity because I was doing really fucking bad

Otherwise the worst it gets is the Sinclair main typing “I HATE MY WIFE” or that one dude going “you all fucking suck” (why are you overextending so hard on Rem, huh??)

[warped ridge]

I always feel like my luck is terrible

it's why I feel iffy about joining people for games cause it feels like they'll get more toxic games just because I'm playing with them

[rich grove]

record scratch noise so you're probably wonderi
record scratch noise so you're prob

[warped ridge]

I'm still waiting to see if like

I actually enjoy deadlock

[edgy fog]

I do hope so

I have been helped by really gelling with Rem

[warped ridge]

hard for me to say

I know I can't play it while depressed so it's already kind of missing

[frail jasper]

I WILL single-target Naptime someone for a hyper-secured kill, they CANNOT stop me.

Speaking of rem, I just finished a game where the mute Sinclair visibly positioned himself so I could jump to him for escapes and BOY does that kind of competence feel great to play alongside.

[edgy fog]

God I've had the opposite so many times. Jump on to a drifter or haze and watch them throw themselves into the veil area while the entire team is around the corner and I basically get to sit there and watch them wiggle back and forth

For Haze being Rem's mom her playstyle isn't very good for the team moments.

[vast sandal]

I think if I’m gonna play Wraith more I need to just lock in on farming more and making a point of just split pushing super hard during the midgame instead of running objectives particularly hard

[warped ridge]

yeh like I said I usually go uhh

farm > obj > kills

where farm takes prio outside of the opportunistic objs and kills

[vast sandal]

need money

first the money. then the items. then the kills.

[agile rune]

then the city

[frail jasper]

rem has a bottomless piggy bank and by the hidden king I'm gonna fill it up with all the souls on the map

[finite patrol]

man Abrams is fun. I can't believe I havent picked him up for so long

his gun is fucking nuts

[warped ridge]

shoulder check man does seem fun ye

[finite patrol]

eating side walkers in a single clip with kdash

[rich grove]

guess when I bought spellslinger

[finite patrol]

the hardest part of his kit to use is his ult

[agile rune]

he's the wrong colour

[finite patrol]

33 minutes?

[autumn field]

hmmmm

[rich grove]

🤔

however did you determine that

[autumn field]

thinking about green graves again

[rich grove]

what a curious accusation

[vast sandal]

I love that Deathy's tip for laning against Paradox is "do not let Paradox know where you are. she will find you and she will kill you"

[autumn field]

i dont think she can build the same 50% green that abrams, etc can

[rich grove]

paradox is basically a sentient grey talon owl

[finite patrol]

my gigantic brain calculated it

[rich grove]

whether or not she also dies after detonating it is kind of a coinflip

[finite patrol]

I fed it some catnip, as reward

[vast sandal]

that's what Diviner's Kevlar is for

unironically

[rich grove]

yuh

that or the hellish secret tech

cheat death

[vast sandal]

Cheat Death seems like a meme but a good meme

Kevlar and Lightning Scroll otoh

that's just real

[finite patrol]

doesnt paradox get out after by schmooving ridicalus

[vast sandal]

you are going to eeby deeby

[vast sandal]

glorp stone my beloved

[finite patrol]

every para I see is on warp stone stam mastery

[rich grove]

sometimes paradox just sacs herself

but yeah usually you can just leave cause the enemy team is too busy screaming about how they've been robbed in broad daylight

[finite patrol]

chat what the FUCK did he mean by this ????

[rich grove]

and you, meanwhile, as the Most Intelligent Gamer In The Lobby

will simply leave

[rich grove]

bro doesnt know about green abrams

[vast sandal]

look if they come after me it's fine

[finite patrol]

he's the greenest person ever

[vast sandal]

I've got a Kinetic Carbine round already loaded for that FUCKING drifter

[frail jasper]

I kinda miss playing Paradox, i feel like my movement tech just isn't where it needs to be for success though. Not to mention always screwing up the ability combo :(

[rich grove]

not many can withstand the time blick

[frail jasper]

Rem by boy, though, we get along just great

[finite patrol]

rem is nice

[rich grove]

ice is nice

[finite patrol]

mechanically easy so you can focus on macro

[rich grove]

im realising that in tyool 2026 this is no longer a knack 2 joke and just sounds like bootlicking

we have lost so much to the fascists

[vast sandal]

also I physically have to hit Vindictas with Kinetic Carbine every time I can

[finite patrol]

honestly it just sounds like youre posting to post

[vast sandal]

they need to know

I need to let them know

[rich grove]

the time honored tradition of counter sniping

everybody get up
get on the floor

[vast sandal]

kinetic is a truly excellent skill in that everything about it says "fuck you in particular"

[frail jasper]

Sharpshooter opening rounds tankbuster carbine blap

[vast sandal]

open the door

get on the floor

[rich grove]

rip pre-nerf express shot carbine

which was just bugged venator ult on her 3

[vast sandal]

amazin'

Time Stop is a wacky status

[rich grove]

that and one-shotting people with shiv alt-fire were basically the only two things this chungus item has ever been good for

[vast sandal]

doesn't Silver take Express Shot

[frail jasper]

It's a sometimes option for silver

[rich grove]

you would just see a shiv come around the corner and then get buckshot moisturiser'd while he goes flying to the moon

[finite patrol]

it bothers me that phantom strike doesnt seem to work on apollos floaty bs

[vast sandal]

ya ya YEET

[frail jasper]

Bigger meatshot burst for her 1 but otherwise not amazing

[rich grove]

yeah i just look at glorp stone and then back at express shot and sigh

[frail jasper]

I'm sure someone still does the skinner combo on viscous but that's old news these days

[rich grove]

not getting your acls turned to yakisoba is worth as much as slightly faster mag-dump

[finite patrol]

express shot is just kinda bad design rn

[rich grove]

for those who don't know, if you crouch and turn 90 degrees you can stretch your trapezius muscles on viscous

[frail jasper]

Well the combo itself is fine but the whole super burst i mean

[vast sandal]

does Express Shot work with burst fire weapons to give you a double burst, or does it just add 1 round

[frail jasper]

AFAIK the current viscous goodness is just punch viscous

[rich grove]

it's kind of like rituals or thoracle in that you see it and you just go "this fucking guy"

it has basically never been good enough on actual m1s to be used for anything "fair" and just exists to send people to the shadow realm with various alt fire trickery

[finite patrol]

yeah its either alt fire one shot item or fucking nothing

[vast sandal]

can Yamato altfire proc it

[rich grove]

yes

you could throw FOUR beans at people

[finite patrol]

all alt fires work with it but they are guttered

[vast sandal]

okay

[finite patrol]

uses all your ammo and does no damage

[vast sandal]

Yamato's alt fire can fuck off

[rich grove]

they got so sick of people doing cornball stuff with alt fires and empowered weapons that they were just like Enough

and now it languishes

presumably forever

the worst part is that hvr is crying out for a good upgrade but the best option is apr which is a 6400

[frail jasper]

I had some dumb idea for a rework but I can't remember it at the moment

[vivid nimbus]

Huh, APR doesn't keep the 5% fire rate from HVR

[frail jasper]

Express Shot:
No longer has a passive
Bullet velocity from 50% → 200%
Fire rate from 5% → 10%
Now grants 20% increased weapon falloff range
There was a custom rebalance mod that did this as one of its changes

[finite patrol]

it'd be nice if there were a velocity focused upgrade

echo sabre is a cool item. this is not it

[autumn field]

it doesnt feel very interesting though...

i want a t2 or t3 gun active that's like

makes your weapon HITSCAN and grants DOUBLED range for the duration.

so it lets drifter have like, 50 meters of bullshit

good on anyone with slow bullets

graves trolling with her 30 meter autoaim

[finite patrol]

that sounds fucking awful

[autumn field]

i know!

i love it!

tbh it'd probably be a t3, decent passive, but it'd be like, 10 seconds on a 100 second CD to be balanced

[mystic breach]

wrong channel?

[autumn field]

how tf

[tidal elm]

getting my first matches against Apollo and i'm happy to see, the Looney Toones anvil once again works wonders to stifle the rat

https://tenor.com/view/wile-e-coyote-tiny-toon-adventures-looney-tunes-anvil-gif-4632930310475529830

parry this

[warped ridge]

I thought his uhh

Reflect could counter it

Or does it only counter abilities?

[tidal elm]

dk, maybe the guy didn't know about that

suffice it to say, it worked

[warped ridge]

I might just be dumb tbf

[astral lava]

it can but that still eats his knockdown

Slowing hex us good but doesnt interrupt hus 3 if already active

[warped ridge]

Wait slowing hex doesn't end his 3 if he already started it?

I guess I can see the devs drawing the line there

Or can it not interrupt Mina before 2nd tele or Pocket before they uses their tele on jacket?

Is

If they is singular it's uses, not use right?

[raven spindle]

It's the singular they, so "use" would still be applied I'm p sure

[median lantern]

Yeah

Uses is 3rd person singular (simple present) use is basically everything else

[glass flicker]

How do I up my Celeste game, she’s the hero I have the most fun with. I know I gotta understand and use mobility more, but like what else should I be doing typically when playing her?

[warped ridge]

in lane you abuse her mobility by harassing

outside of lane she eats people in teamfights

her 3 just monches teams

also her bouncing ball thing bounces between people close together

[lavish grove]

Also don’t be afraid to go like, in in

Your shield from 2 is huge

And you want it to be popped anyway

With infuser you have insanely good sustain in team fights

And before then even just base spirit lifesteal can help a lot

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1r5ysw8/apollo_has_been_waiting/

[vivid nimbus]

There’s differing opinions about if singular they is treated as singular or plural grammatically. I tend to use it as plural (so “they use”) except for “themself” instead of “themselves”

[glass flicker]

Gotcha gottcha

I did notice that I could be a lot more aggressive as her

Which was fun I liked just being in the mix

I’m so used to playing support that getting in there and stomping around feels so good

[agile void]

the jacket still travels

pocket cant tp to it if slowing hex is a thing

[warped ridge]

I'll have to avoid using it so people don't use it to be mean to me because I know for a fact people will

[agile void]

it might also be that they avoided the slowing hex with the birefcase

[warped ridge]

gotcha, was curious as Apollo still can use his 3 to move if hit by slowing hex based on what was said earlier

[agile void]

I think mina cant tp the second time if she gets hit while still in normal form

because the tp has iframes

[warped ridge]

makes sense

well

no it doesn't

but makes sense in deadlock

Idk videogames are crazy anyways

wait can you target and hit viscous in the cube form?

actually

is it possible to body stack?

Idk what the term actually is

[agile void]

the enemy is invulnerable

[warped ridge]

but can you use another teammate to get extra height on a jump by standing ontop of them?

[agile void]

I think you can target but they arent affected by whatever hits them

main reason why you see viscous go for rescue beam

they cube someone then they get them away to safety by pulling them

or punching them away

[warped ridge]

cube planet level

[warped ridge]

why doesn't viscous do this more?

[agile void]

geometry related

[warped ridge]

understandble, math is difficult

[agile void]

there is a reason people argue viscous is one of the highest skillceiling heroes

[warped ridge]

it's so difficult I passed it 3 times but only got credit for it once

[agile void]

but yeah, they might be in the middle of the place

and they cant really set up a punch that isnt just "punch them up"

[warped ridge]

wait if someone cubes can holiday grab them with the lasso thing?

[agile void]

no

[vivid nimbus]

You can also use punch as an enemy to shove the cube around, just don't heavy punch because they can cancel cube and parry

[agile void]

like I said, they are technically invulnerable or untouchable

you can punch the cube around but that risks you getting parried if they are aware of cancelling the cube early

[warped ridge]

can you buffer the parry from invuln?

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah they can also cancel and parry light melee on prediction too, but are less likely to to avoid the feint/fakeout

[magic summit]

Question, how used to you are to playing characters that regularly buy Stamina Mastery

[glass flicker]

Not very, I was genuinely blown away by how much stamina she had and how much I could move around.

[magic summit]

I would unironically like, get stamina mastery and go to Explore NYC mode and just have fun for a bit seeing things like how long you can maintain air time and speed and what more you can do with that much movement, especially since Celeste is unique in her air time

Like even small things like how you leave the underground shop through the hole above is a different timing for her

[warped ridge]

I can't remember if this was pre-nerf or not but

[magic summit]

For combat I have been liking maxxing shield first for the purpose of just

If you see someone alone in a lane, you can just float over to them, solo ult them and bounce the ult off your shield onto them

[vivid nimbus]

I remember that's pre-nerf, but that's without stam mast which Celestes often buy for even more air control

[magic summit]

In a bigger teamfight your survivability is honestly going to be "how long is it until you need to touch the ground" because you quickly realize how many character abilities kinda rely on you not being airborne to hit

[quiet sapphire]

yeah

[warped ridge]

gotcha, I know I need to practice because like

it's the one thing I'm absolutely terrible on is movement and map knowledge

[magic summit]

One of the harder things I would say is making sure you actually get close enough to hit your Light Eater on a few people because a lot of your damage is baked into that

[warped ridge]

but like I said Deadlock kinda half depresses me

[quiet sapphire]

doing 4v4 celeste brawls and one person got seraphim wings and its like. damn.

we cannot do anything about the wings user

[warped ridge]

so still kind of waiting to see if I should just give up on it or not

[magic summit]

That seems like a bad way to interact with the game

[quiet sapphire]

take a break

[warped ridge]

that's what I'm doing yeah

[bleak thicket]

i got wings on celeste
it was so silly

i was just flying 95% of the time

[warped ridge]

just the issue is what I go back to isn't that much healthier (to a lot of people it would be less healthy)

[magic summit]

On the Celeste part I would say btw that Eido has taking her up a bit and Eido is good to look at insofar as not a lot of people are going to be as good as Eido mechanically

[warped ridge]

since I basically just go back to tarkov even though it is almost guaranteed to be a worse idea

[magic summit]

So he's one to look at if you just want to see how like, probably the only player that can actually say "Top 1 player" with any consistency plays her

[quiet sapphire]

eido's movement is great honestly

[quiet sapphire]

we were doing custom lobby 4v4 celeste brawls too 😭

it was actually impossible to do anything to the wings user

[warped ridge]

I got wings on Silver on brawl

was probably the most fun I had in this game recently

[bleak thicket]

tis a silly item

[still swan]

What does Wings do?

[quiet sapphire]

trying to hit a flying person with uhh

yeah

good luck

[quiet sapphire]

ah

[quiet sapphire]

beat me to it

[bleak thicket]

one of the streetbrawl exclusive legendaries

its
real silly lol

and on celeste doubly so cause she comes with a -20% gravity scale by default

[warped ridge]

wait whoops

[bleak thicket]

so you just basically dont fall

[warped ridge]

already was posted

[quiet sapphire]

LOL

three times

[warped ridge]

I am in the depression jail, unfortunately my posts can be delayed randomly

[bleak thicket]

another silly one is frostbite charm on mcginnis

infinite turret spam and the turrets also freeze you

[still swan]

Yeah that is in fact very silly

[bleak thicket]

oh god i just read omnicharge signet
it can make non charged abilities into charged abilities

[quiet sapphire]

street brawl was a great addition

[bleak thicket]

i never realized it works like that

[quiet sapphire]

i like that it didn't fall into the trap of dota's turbo mode where it's just the same game but all the dials got turned way up

also "was"

is.

[warped ridge]

yeh it's how uhhhh I was able to do this

[quiet sapphire]

SLEEP,

[warped ridge]

5 charges sleep dagger

[bleak thicket]

oh lord

[warped ridge]

becoming the mother that stepped UP for da Rem child

[bleak thicket]

god this would be such a pita to run into an actual game

[warped ridge]

yus

brawl is so goofy I love it

[lavish grove]

I really hope we can eventually get street brawl legendaries in lobbies or the testing range

Without console commands anyway

They’d be really fun to mess around with while waiting for que

[bleak thicket]

yeah i do hope they add a way to test legendaries and enhanced items in the lobby/sandbox

mostly for fun stuff

[warped ridge]

I thought you could buy them from the shop?

hold on lemme find the post

[magic summit]

I'm wondering if they might ever come to normal mode as this games late game protection like tier 5 neutrals in dota

[bleak thicket]

not to my knowledge but if you have a source on how that would be nice!

[warped ridge]

ahh wait

[bleak thicket]

i dont think so

[warped ridge]

still gotta use commands

[lavish grove]

I know you can get them via commands yah

[magic summit]

As in "this game has gone on way too long someone needs to end this"

[bleak thicket]

cause some of the legendaries are just, mega stupid

[warped ridge]

yeah they're waaaaaay too powerful for regular game mode

[bleak thicket]

imagine a vyper with electric slippers in a normal game

[lavish grove]

Free 700 Hp heal for everyone

[bleak thicket]

shed be able to slide out of base
and into the enemy base

in one slide

easily

[warped ridge]

I would just ask Dota vets on how it's handled and just say to mimic what dota does (if dota does anything specific)

[magic summit]

I think that'd be fine if that's a thing that could only happen 50 or 60 minutes in

[warped ridge]

but I assume Dota just lets 2 hour games happen

[magic summit]

Literally what I was saying

[lavish grove]

Falling piano is basically a second ult

[bleak thicket]

and also
if you sell all your items and buy electric slippers + shadow strike + seraphim wings
youre invisible
have infinite stamina
and deal aoe damage as you slide

[lavish grove]

Welcome back launch fire aura in league

[warped ridge]

yeaaaah thats on me, for some reason I read it but my brain didn't process it

[astral lava]

mega creeps are the main late game ending thing in dota. Also Roshan starts dropping more items on the third kill

Even more of a harsh buff than shrine creeps in deadlock

[bleak thicket]

some of the t5 items are good
but theyre usually not game ending yeah

unless if you land on an excellent counter for the enemy team

and its balanced by being random

and needing to farm explicitly for them

and being able to reroll them only once every 10 minutes

[magic summit]

My instant thought for it was maybe make midboss give out a random thing if its that late

[bleak thicket]

although i can see a custom game mode where you have 1 legendary slot to buy 1 of them at a time could be fun

keep the 9999 cost tho

[warped ridge]

smite did a lot of like

weekend only gamemodes that would rotate

[bleak thicket]

anyway
imagine billy or abrams with these in a normal game :)

[warped ridge]

like occasionally you would get arena with RNG god select

but it would be all the same god per team

[lavish grove]

Oh actually they should bring these in they’d be very healthy

[warped ridge]

so like in deadlock it would be like 6 rems vs 6 viscous

[lavish grove]

I have no biases saying this

At all

[astral lava]

third midboss dropping a random street brawl legendary would be really funny

[quiet sapphire]

biases?

[lavish grove]

Autocorrect fucked up

[quiet sapphire]

the apollo player stealing infinite rounds from the fed infernus player

[somber creek]

Listen I do think it would be fine to bypass parry in late game

[magic summit]

I think just third would be too easy to explicitly rush for

I think it being time based would be better, no one wants to be in the 60 minute match

[somber creek]

Because you can spend like 14k on melee damage and that can be completely nullified by someone pressing F

[final osprey]

A legendary slot would be way too op because everyone could just buy Shrink Ray

Who ever gets Shrink Ray first would win. naturally

[quiet sapphire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1141341992945733702/1471682588388364328/gif_versionjm.gif

[bleak thicket]

nah nah
everyone go unstable concoction

[quiet sapphire]

shiv can actually survive unstable concoction!

[somber creek]

I haven't seen anyone win with unstable concotion yet

[quiet sapphire]

and heal to full from it if he has infuser and hits 2+ players

[vivid nimbus]

A YT channel actually did a 6v6 show match where they enabled brawl items with two restrictions, one legendary per player and one copy of each legendary per team

[bleak thicket]

oooh can you find the video :o

id love to watch that

[vivid nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ0sLOhcL-c

[bleak thicket]

ay gluten snake

lets gooooo

LOL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIiy4-Dukow
they also did this

which should be a hoot

[somber creek]

we gave vyper feet

[quiet sapphire]

have you seen enhanced burst fire on vyper

or just slippers

crazy shit

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah the eternus vs eternal gift initiates was funny too

[somber creek]

But yeah I do think I am currently unhappy with the melee/parry dichotomy

and would be fine with a way to bypass parry

[vivid nimbus]

Well, unstoppable removes the stun consequences for getting parried, though you don't deal damage and will take rebuttal damage

[bleak thicket]

idk
i like how universal parrying is

[astral lava]

dodging heavy melee is so ridiculously inconsistent

Parry kind of needed

[warped ridge]

hitboxes/hurtboxes are def disjointed enough that like

[astral lava]

Nothing like being in the air above someone and getting nuked by punch

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah the vertical hitbox is kinda big

[quiet sapphire]

I feel like abrams being able to heavy melee you twice late game in this hypothetical would be silly

[vivid nimbus]

But there's a reason Runed Gauntlets is a legendary

[quiet sapphire]

once after charge and then once with the parry-piercing melee

[warped ridge]

people were complaining about this on the reddit and I was just like
"but this is like normal for deadlock, I've gotten hit around corners by Grave's m1"

[final osprey]

the humble debuff resistance:

But yeah there's a reason legendary items are in the silly game mode not the normal one

[warped ridge]

what I've been doing is I've been just baiting people

like I think the safest way to go for a raw heavy is to superglide behind someone and heavy melee them

but outside of that you just start heavy melee and flick 180 if you think they're gonna parry

then they can't parry anymore

[astral lava]

parrying troopers always funny

[warped ridge]

I forget you can parry troopers tbh

I should probably think about that for like the uhh

parry heal item

cause it does work on them right?

[quiet sapphire]

no

[vivid nimbus]

It's definitely more generous than Yamato's power slash

[quiet sapphire]

rebuttal is specifically enemy hero parry

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah it doesn't let you heal off parrying guardian either, as funny as that would be

[astral lava]

there's no parry cd for carrying a trooper is the bait trick

[warped ridge]

oh

[warped ridge]

Ye, and it honestly doesn't bother me weirdly enough

like Celeste's circle hitting me through a wall was more bothersome, Idk why

Idk maybe I'm just desensitized

[bleak thicket]

I'm glad my prediction of electric slipper vyper being extra silly holds

[quiet sapphire]

learned this trick in Jersey!

[late hare]

unfortunate that inevitably I will hit an ELO where people know you can parry Viscous fists because damn I'm kinda nice with em

[warped ridge]

is ok

cause then you can just bait their parry

[somber creek]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1279436508662861824/1472977768513011885/image.png?ex=699488f2&is=69933772&hm=5a95a82eccd6c2298b8da47becf1e5cd6c2480856497353caaef69bd6148f5e9&