but I'm a like, fps player
#Deadlock
gray otter
fortunately his gun sucks so youll never need to ADS
lavish grove
That’s true lol
warped ridge
no? you have to aim up or down for forward movement, it's still not vertical relative
or did they hotfix him cause he was bugged
lavish grove
I mean it’s not straight vertical but you can go up or down at an angle
lavish grove
Yah same kinda
lavish grove
I think it would open a lot in a good way
warped ridge
but also Grave's M1 doesn't respect line of sight either so
w/e
or it fades around corners
which tbf a lot of abilities have weird corner stuff to prevent 3rd person peeking
well I say weird
but it's only weird in like, a normal game
it makes sense in deadlock because they don't want you to be able to abuse 3rd person peeking
and who knows maybe vindicta's ult bends around corners too
I doubt it but maybe it does
anyways yeah
apollo is gr8 mechanically
I think I'm just looking at him like
"gimme more tech"
lavish grove
Same, I think his kit is great
I just personally think his gun doing so little damage is holding him back
warped ridge
same way I looked at edge boosting and was like "why can't I tech this from ground"
lavish grove
He’s very bullyable in lane because of it
Like, Rem and Lash’s guns are better
You don’t wanna be in that situation
warped ridge
I actually sorta disagree
his m1 is balanced due to his other abilities, he ultimately should be scrapping like yamato does
infact his 3 supports it
since it's a 3 hit thing with horizontal foxtrots
lavish grove
That’s fair, I don’t want his gun to be good to be clear
I don’t wanna another Geist
warped ridge
yeah like
lavish grove
I just think like, 2 or 3 more base damage would be enough?
warped ridge
his m1 in lane reminds me of drifter's m1 in lane
they both just kinda have bad m1s
lavish grove
Just enough that he can poke people in lane
warped ridge
I can see slightly adjusting his numbers
on the flipside if we go with the non-solo aspect
your duo partner should just be a support
or can try something goofy but I'm noticing only really like
lavish grove
Probably
warped ridge
harassers, supports, and farmer
lavish grove
He definitely can flourish with a lane bully partner
Like Billy or Abrams
Who can just go in to compensate for his weak early game
warped ridge
like the only char I'd be iffy about free picking a laning partner with would be drifter
cause he wants to get kills
agile rune
He’s the goat, the gooooaaaattt
lavish grove
Billy is the funniest character in lane
agile rune
It’s a verbal tick at this point
lavish grove
He just slams 3, runs at you holding down M1 and you die
agile rune
Billy is great in lane
merry verge
did Silver/Graves into Bebop/GT and I recommend not doing that
Having folks that can engage at range is handy
warped ridge
did Silver/Graves into Bebop/GT and I recommend not doing that
that largely depends on the graves
silver def ain't doing anything there with her kit
well actually
Idk she might be able to counter bebop launch with her 2
but even if
Idk if that's good
merry verge
Graves just has so little HP to charge shot
agile rune
If my laptop did not hate the game so much I’d play a lot more
warped ridge
Graves just has so little HP to charge shot
I just ran up against a graves/apollo combo as a haze/doorman combo
and she was like, actively scrapping and going explicitly for denies while apolly just kinda waited
and I was like "oh apollo won't participate like most people who are just farming do"
I was very wrong
and then I just goofed too much cause graves kept using the side hut to fight
she was probably the best graves I've seen in the game so far
lavish grove
did Silver/Graves into Bebop/GT and I recommend not doing that
Laning against GT in general is not recommended imo
Back before the healing minion change
GT was my most hated character
Because I kept laning against GT and Vindicta lanes
Where they’d poke me out
And I’d do nothing but crouch behind cover the entire laning
Waiting for my healing minion to give me a pittance of HP
Because if I ever showed my head, GT 1 would kill me
merry verge
GT arrows going around corners being patched was a blessed day
He's way more normal now but the Bird still puts the fear of gosh in me
lavish grove
To be honest I still don’t like GT
warped ridge
honestly same
lavish grove
Snares are still annoying and that bird I hate
lavish grove
Personally I find it best to just shoot him when he’s in the air and set off traps when he’s not in position to use them
warped ridge
well you see
merry verge
better falloff for Silvergun has felt pretty nice
warped ridge
I play haze and silver, so my bullets don't do that good in lane 😭
lavish grove
It’s better to take a small amount of damage and CC then try and avoid that huge area during a fight
lavish grove
I play haze and silver, so my bullets don't do that good in lane 😭
Ah, well, hmm
Consider asking for a switch before game starts
warped ridge
nah I think it's fiiiine
lavish grove
Genuinely idk how to deal with him with them
warped ridge
I just gotta get better
and besides I kinda don't play solo anymore
unless it's brawl
but I've had like
some absolutely like
hateful people in brawl for some reason recently
Idk what happened
they aren't even hateful at me, they're just complaining about a dynamo who was goofing his abilities the entire match and getting us all killed
merry verge
street brawl is for doing that
warped ridge
and I'm like trying to make them chill in the chat going "nah it's fine fam, it's brawl anyways, it happens"
merry verge
I'd say it's worth it to trade outta Bop lane for Silver 'cause most of your kit engages at Free Bomb Stacks range
Bola stops GT from hopping though, if you catch him you can put some damage in
just.. gotta.. do that
it should ground targets
frail jasper
edgy fog
I do love how tanky you can get on Rem. Like you can build pure purple and that's okay but it was really funny when I was wandering around the middle of the brawl putting "Thank you" rem posters up everywhere while enemies were peeking out and taking potshots and try got figure out what I was doing.
Then after a moment I just zoomed over to my teammate and healed it all up
frail jasper
Something I enjoy doing is basically a threat display as rem, because I'll RUN AT THEM all crazy like and it scares the hell out of people (they suspect I have friends nearby coming to kill them (I don't lol))
if you just move like your Shiv is two buildings away and rapidly approaching, sometimes they buy it
this does NOT work if they've already decided to engage on you, because at that point they've already concluded they can kill you before anyone else gets there
edgy fog
It's weird because people think Rem folds like anything but you build him and he's a 3k health monster with colossus that the vindicta is emptying sniper shots into that fail to kill
Like, you will eventually die, but it always feels like people are expecting Rem to fall over a lot faster than he does
autumn field
this is lore accurate
edgy fog
Do you think Rem is the little blorbo character like Jeff the Shark?
Cause I know that they recently added a weird flying cat to Overwatch
I'd certainly buy a rem plushie if it was an option
median lantern
this is lore accurate
The rest of that pasta isn’t though
autumn field
who has the craziest spirit scaling...
finite patrol
spirits georg
edgy fog
Rem pillow nuke? Maybe celeste?
merry verge
buoyant plank
Someone already made a mod to make celestes ult do the peggle noise lmao
rich grove
PEAK
vivid nimbus
Yeah those are some reasonable tweaks
merry verge
Flawless Advance getting Yamato treatment feels right even if he does get a little dash
autumn field
Huh Apollo buff
vivid nimbus
Apollo's gun DPS was pretty bad on top of the range limit, so I 100% get it, and it's still not astounding
vast sandal
so if you're laning into Vindicta as Drifter do you just put your PC in the washing machine or what
rich grove
slow hex
rusted barrel depending on whether they can hit shots or not
monster rounds to aggressively shove and pressure her tower
rich grove
if she flies ahead of her wave anyway then she's potentially losing tower hp, if she doesn't then her waveclear is pretty mid
if you have the bones save for knockdown
vast sandal
Yeah we were Drifter/Paige into Vindicta/Rem
We didn’t have shit for winning that lane macro
warped ridge
wut
you had paige
should have been a bit until vindicta could spam flight
and up until that point you win that lane
vast sandal
We were getting shot so much that we couldn’t stay in the damn lane
And then Rem just unloaded the Super Troopers on us
warped ridge
if that was the case then that means something was going wrong with the creep management
cause paige + drifter def beats rem + vindicta early on
frail jasper
Paige should have bought rusted barrel for the lane, if not both of you to thoroughly oppress the vindicta if she was doing well
vast sandal
we were just getting our fucking heads blown off it was a nightmare
frail jasper
Slowing hex into instantly killing her would be ideal but that's kind of also Paige's job (though she prefers knockdown into her 3)
warped ridge
yeah unless vindicta somehow could spam her flight early on you and paige should have been just monching for free
vast sandal
we got insanely diffed ig ¯_(ツ)_/¯
warped ridge
cause if she's on the ground paige beats rem on burst and drifter beats vindicta on burst
well
paige might be playing like league or smite support
frail jasper
It's not so easy as that but basically yeah the answer is buy rusted barrel and stay around cover as much as possible
warped ridge
if that was happening then I could see it going wrong
vast sandal
she was
frail jasper
Monster rounds is good to beat the lane pressure as well, if you kill all their troopers and just shove the lane into their guardian all the time she won't have the freedom to be worried about you as much
warped ridge
oh yeah no
supports in deadlock aren't like normal supports
they're really lethal
vast sandal
idk, just a really miserable match that turned into a death spiral of trying and failing to be able to Do Stuff repeatedly and just never being able to get the ball rolling again as Drifter once I stalled out
frail jasper
Such is how it goes sometimes
warped ridge
yeh unfortunately for that once vindicta gets ahead it's really painful
cause once she has flight spam up paige can't do much without somehow disabling it
vast sandal
which is what the slow hex is for
frail jasper
If you have the foresight for it, the root fix is to just not lane against vindicta or other long range characters (swap at game start)
agile rune
Drifter, as I've experienced, is really feast or famine dependent on a strong early game
frail jasper
Fairly
warped ridge
kinda
vast sandal
he does also kinda cave your skull in earlygame
warped ridge
drifter's main wincon is like, having a 2 on someone low
then just eating them once they're low cost most people can't react react to a 2 tele
frail jasper
It's not really so much about the isolation stacks but just getting raw soul/item advantage and graduating to gank menace as soon as possible
warped ridge
they can counterspell the next hit but that's about it
or cleanse I think
hmm Idk what all can counter drifter 2 once it's on you
frail jasper
Anything as normal, it's just a matter of timing. There's a sound cue when he teleports on you so if you have the reflexes you can parry/counterspell/iframe whatever he tries to do immediately
So if the drifter likes to 2 -> melee and they catch on they can just press F and uno reverse card him
Dispel Magic would actually remove the stalkers mark before he teleports
merry verge
I wouldn't mind if they just fully gave Celeste a new ultimate
rich grove
THE TURNAROUND
rich grove
our dynamo was actually jesus that game holy fucking smokes we ended the game off him hitting a 5-man
it could have so easily ended in us tilting off the face of the earth but instead we fucking locked it in
honestly the biggest thing for me was just realising they forgot to buy defensives and then just ramming them with 600 damage arrows til half the fucking team bought spellbreaker
and at that point I was more there for moral support
merry verge
and curses
rich grove
only unintentionally
grey talon into a team of three invuln on demand characters was pretty infuriating
no stacks? not even a little? no fat nasty stacks for me?
merry verge
oh right that's a thing he does
rich grove
just stared down a celeste point blank and fed her three
begone clown lady. to ace attorney investigations with ye
merry verge
should've just not entered your sightline, that's on her
rich grove
in fairness if we run that scenario back one hundred times I don't hit three consecutive shots more than once
vivid nimbus
Also if you're trying to just do the minimum of stuff, hide around corners, hide in the lane veils, hide under the bridge as you kill troopers and secure souls
merry verge
Also like, what makes GT get four stam and Vin get two
rich grove
misogyny
vivid nimbus
idk, just a really miserable match that turned into a death spiral of trying and...
Whoops that was supposed to be in reply to this
merry verge
Drifter's good at being a sneaky little rat stealing their jungle with his Heartbeat Sensor and movespeed
frail jasper
Also like, what makes GT get four stam and Vin get two
Good shoes
agile rune
and curses
thresh is australian, we exist for cursing
merry verge
oh no i meant the GT trap
agile rune
oh I know
merry verge
ohe
agile rune
but comedy demands
merry verge
see i'm dumb
agile rune
Drifter is good because he has the best voice
merry verge
plus he's just clearly having such a good time
agile rune
he's in it for the pure love of the game
late hare
attempting to make the best out of bad situations; thinking about focusing on more macro-oriented champs (namely McGinnis, Graves, and Rem) since my micro is going to be bad right now, but that’s still proving hard to make progress with when it’s distinctly likely that nobody on my team wins lane
autumn field
graves is macro by virtue of ignoring micro and i love it
quiet sapphire
her ult is also just good
fight happening blue but you need to fix yellow?
slam that gravestone behind walker and go blue
dim tendon
Drifter is good because he has the best voice
thats a weird way of spelling seven x3
agile void
glass flicker
I don’t think I’m “good” at Celeste, but she’s the hero I’ve done best with so far
The estrogen is linking us on a psychic level
dim tendon
Hmm
Trying to workout when I should buy heroic aura in a match
I can't decide if I should buy it earlier to have faster zombies
Or focus on buying cool down first to have more zombies per minute
vivid nimbus
Well it's also a very good teamfight item
dim tendon
True true
stable forum
agree
I think this is my Silver build now.
The only piece I'm not fully sure about is order of Berserker / Hunter's Aura
oh right I need to put vamp burst in later game.
merry verge
I like Hunters before Berserkers cause I feel the latter needs some tankiness to function
Also earlygame means more spread enemies
finite grotto
slowing bullets I also really like on silver
merry verge
Shotgun is so good at applying debuffs
warm sonnet
The most de to ever buff
stable forum
slowing bullets I also really like on silver
yeah I've just not been feeling it
I've tried it a bunch, it doesn't seem super great.
I think some of it is I'm up in Phantom and people are quite good at movement in Phantom generally?
earnest verge
I like it better than all the other non-lifestrike slows
? people being good at movement would be more of a reason to get slows, not less, surely?
stable forum
I've been buying Vortex Web as slow >.>
stable forum
? people being good at movement would be more of a reason to get slows, not less...
ehh
warm sonnet
Does Slowing Bullets affect jump and dashes?
stable forum
the issue is, Slowing Bullets doens't actually let me stick to people generally
stable forum
Does Slowing Bullets affect jump and dashes?
yes, but not a ton.
& one of the things I'm concerned about is movement abilities, which slowing bullets does not shut down.
earnest verge
yeah fair, I can see that, depending on lineups
warm sonnet
Aight, shmovement is the primary source of speed for most characters, not base movement
Imo
stable forum
generally yeah
I also cut enduring speed >.>
Stamina Mastery is soo much movement
warm sonnet
Yeee
lavish grove
Personally I love juggernaut on silver
warm sonnet
And still I barely build into it
warm sonnet
Oh yeh, but Enduring Speed also provides most of what you get
stable forum
yeaaa
warm sonnet
It's useful against non-firehoses shooters
stable forum
useful vs people who don't buy firerate (nobody)
warm sonnet
But any dedicated anti-shooster defensive item is better at the point when you get Big Juggs
earnest verge
juggernaut is good because you already have and want the stuff it's upgraded from, generally
stable forum
that doesn't make it goood
warm sonnet
useful vs people who don't buy firerate (nobody)
Basically, if you get it early enough to have an impact against shooters, you're already winning
earnest verge
It does mean that, if you already wanted Enduring Speed, it only costs souls rather than slots, which is in fact pretty significant
stable forum
that makes it something to buy eventually
earnest verge
If you have open slots then there's probably better things to spend 4800 souls on, def
warm sonnet
Yeee
stable forum
not something good to buy
warm sonnet
It's for lategame when you need base move and slow-resist, but have literally everything else you need
finite grotto
could maybe add like the usual def items onto the build, spirit res, metal skin, spellbreaker etc
vast sandal
It does mean that, if you already wanted Enduring Speed, it only costs souls rat...
🙏 Preach
Building items that gracefully transition into the mid and end games is worth a lot
stable forum
could maybe add like the usual def items onto the build, spirit res, metal skin,...
prooobably, yeaahhh
i've been buying debuff reducer quite a lot
finite grotto
oh what about point blank I love that on silver#
I think the only other items are like the luxuxry ones, inhibator, silence and frenzy
stable forum
doesn't fit
warm sonnet
A Jugg rework concept:
You build up Charge when you're moving, primarily through base movement/on ground, quickly losing it when you're still or airborne. At full Charge, you ignore slow and immobilize as long as you stay at a 100%.
Unfortunately, this is a Silver buff
stable forum
PB isn't bad, and you could absolutely build it over Berserker
stable forum
Unfortunately, this is a Silver buff
mnnno?
silver likes being in the air
(if you buy stamina, at least)
lavish grove
A Jugg rework concept:
You build up Charge when you're moving, primarily through...
You’ve remade the Baby Face’s blaster in deadlock
finite grotto
Jug is already really good vs gun heavy teams
warm sonnet
You get to keep running at people as Puppy when any immobilize is your primary counter
warm sonnet
You’ve remade the Baby Face’s blaster in deadlock
YESSSS
agile void
its a fr slow that they cant really avoid
merry verge
BFB Scout was truly playing a different game to everyone else
stable forum
oh, right, I stopped building Juggernaut because it doesn't stack
and it's popular enough that someone else buys it fairly consistently
agile void
jugger conceptually is a good item, i dont think it needs to be buffed
stable forum
forgot about that bit.
agile void
the problem is that gun is not 1:1 to autoattacks in regular MOBAs
lavish grove
YESSSS
Honestly, Silver’s gun is pretty analogue’s to scout
Kinda slow shooting shotgun with strong meatshot damage?
agile void
and there is a reason why people feel like gun centric meta is boring because at that point your counters are always
lavish grove
That’s the scattergun baby
stable forum
???
agile void
at worst suppresor
stable forum
Juggernaut is awful against properly built gun characters.
agile void
Juggernaut is *awful* against properly built gun characters.
that is my point
stable forum
Firerate is the stat which people buy to increase gun DPS
agile void
you need 2 to 3 item slots to counter gun
stable forum
Juggernaut doesn't do anything against firerate!
agile void
jugger alone is not enough
stable forum
don't buy juggernaut as a gun counter!
merry verge
Maybe Metal Skin is getting tiring okaaaay
warm sonnet
No wait, I wadthinkinh about the Enfuring Speed upgrade!
stable forum
yes!
lavish grove
Building items that gracefully transition into the mid and end games is worth a ...
That’s why they should make a tier 4 version of active reload
agile void
suppresor gives 26%
stable forum
-36% firerate is -18% gun dps when the opponent has 200% firerate!
agile void
Again
lavish grove
I wanna keep it for the entire game but I know in my heart of hearts it’s better to replace latter on
finite grotto
I mean yes it isnt a single counter vs guns but enduring speed is mega nice to build and juggernaut is a good upgrade that also is good
agile void
the point is that you need 2 to 3 items to counter gun
stable forum
the point is that you need 2 to 3 items to counter gun
no, just don't buy firerate slow
buy bullet resilience & plated armour or just plated armour
agile void
-36% firerate is -18% gun dps when the opponent has 200% firerate!
18% less dps that might be the dps that is keeping them alive through lifesteal
finite grotto
I mean its also not the only thing jug does
stable forum
you also need 2-3 items to counter stacked spirit characters!
agile void
there is breakpoints
merry verge
I've never bought bullet resilience i think
vast sandal
yeah I know I'm just being silly
merry verge
This is why you get Disarms on Silver
stable forum
juggernaut is vastly worse than other options for reducing gun dps
merry verge
So they aren't ready for Second Disarm
vast sandal
also: had a cool moment yesterday where I achieved a much higher tier of brainpower than previous
stable forum
bullet resist has similar issues with bullet resist shred as jugernaut does vs firerate
but you can get way more firerate than bullet resist shred
vast sandal
we were getting our faces caved in by this one fed Celeste player and I couldn't figure out why she just wouldn't die
and then I was like
"wait this is a MOBA what did she build"
checked
boom, spirit lifesteal
stable forum
I've never bought bullet resilience i think
why not?
frail jasper
counterbuying classic
finite grotto
yes but juggernaut gives you a bunch of useful stuff and also is a natural enduring speed upgrade
it isby no means bad
stable forum
yes, you buy juggernaut for those things
stable forum
please do not buy juggernaut for firerate slow >.>
warm sonnet
TOO LATE
stable forum
firerate slow is not good unless you have a lot of other sources of it
merry verge
Also enemy team tends to have maybe one or two guns
stable forum
in which case it's okay
agile void
I mean
merry verge
Vs spirit nuke central
vast sandal
actually counter buying properly and coordinating that and basically immediately winning afterwards had me like
earnest verge
-36% firerate is -18% gun dps when the opponent has 200% firerate!
-18% is definitely not nothing tbh
agile void
we are not saying that jugger is a full counter
stable forum
bullet resist + plated is better than firerate slow + plated armor >.>
agile void
we are saying its good vs gun
merry verge
Bullet Resist does fuckall else
stable forum
a
agile void
Bullet Resist does fuckall else
there is a reason people prefer to just buy metal skin rather than bullet resilience
final osprey
Juggernaut is also good because it doesnt just protect you from bullets, it also protects your allies. At least if you're a tank.
Lots of builds can also get it pretty easily, as lots of people are already building Speed
vivid nimbus
I'm not sure the debuff stacks additively with items
frail jasper
on its own the fire rate reduction isn't worth the price tag, but juggernaut does a lot of generally nice-to-have things. The real value imo is that Enduring Sprint itself IS worth the price tag and so you can just upgrade it late-game.
finite grotto
ye
earnest verge
Yeah Bullet Resilience suffers from there being so many other items that do 50% of what Bullet Resilience does + a bunch of other stuff, or just straight upgrades in higher tiers
agile void
or like metal skin
stable forum
I'm not sure the debuff stacks additively with items
all sources of firerate are additive, but there's a minimum firerate of like 40%
agile void
outright immunity
earnest verge
I think I see Spirit Resilience way more often, comparatively? if a character isn't buying a bunch of the dozen or so items that give incidental spirit res
agile void
its on a 24 cd, which is also nice
finite grotto
I need to buy frenzy more (unrelated but i just thought of it)
merry verge
Love you Frenzy
agile void
you can arguably pop it twice per teamfight
merry verge
Spirit Resilience.. Two
agile void
and if we go game wise
earnest verge
I'm not sure the debuff stacks additively with items
If the wiki is to be trusted, bonus percentages are additive with each other, and penalty percentages are multiplicative with each other
vast sandal
need Spelltal Skin
agile void
metal skin is functionally in a 20 sec cooldown
warm sonnet
When I grow up, I wanna be a Frenzy 
earnest verge
And then you subtract the multiplied penalty from the sum of the additions
agile void
because its active for 4 seconds
stable forum
If the wiki is to be trusted, bonus percentages are additive with each other, an...
this is true for things which aren't firerate. Firerate is always additive.
earnest verge
this is true for things which aren't firerate. Firerate is always additive.
No, this is what it says about fire rate
vast sandal
what I need is fucking Spellbreaker probably, I'm sick of getting my head caved in by the bouncy ball of death
stable forum
Unless firerate reduction is multiplicative with itself but additive with the opponent's firerate
which would be
finite grotto
because its active for 4 seconds
and then Transcendent Cooldown 😌
earnest verge
yes
stable forum
dumb?
agile void
this is true for things which aren't firerate. Firerate is always additive.
didnt they changed fire rate stackings?
vivid nimbus
this is true for things which aren't firerate. Firerate is always additive.
The wiki has a page just for fire rate that describes it like Althaea does
merry verge
what I need is fucking Spellbreaker probably, I'm sick of getting my head caved ...
Thing is Spellbreaker has a cooldown
stable forum
the whole reason why juggernaut is bad is because firerate reduction is additive with firerate >.>
stable forum
didnt they changed fire rate stackings?
I don't think they did?
final osprey
what I need is fucking Spellbreaker probably, I'm sick of getting my head caved ...
Spellbreaker is almost always good, and it has debuff resist now.
Which can actually mess with lots of people
vivid nimbus
"Firerate reduction is multiplicative with itself but additive with the opponent's firerate" seems to be exactly how it works
stable forum
geh
warm sonnet
Spellbreaker is almost always good, and it has debuff resist now.
Which can actu...
Love ruining Blue Abraham's shoulder-charge + H Punch
merry verge
Does debuff resist mean the Celeste orb lingers on you less long
stable forum
Does debuff resist mean the Celeste orb lingers on you less long
afaik celeste orb does not count as a debuff
merry verge
Love ruining Blue Abraham's shoulder-charge + H Punch
The ones that buy Duration Extender are sinful
stable forum
it's not cleansed by Divine Barrier at least
merry verge
That priviledged horse i swear to god
Why does nothing but moving to another city counter this ultimate
warm sonnet
Ye, I reckon it functions like "paused until a valid target is in range" state of the projectile itself
stable forum
I reported the divine barrier interaction as a bug >.>
Divine Barrier removes bebop hook
it should remove orb
final osprey
how does coutnerspell work with Orb? Does it just stop the damage or can it stop the Orb all together?
warm sonnet
It's just damage reduction
merry verge
Getting DB'D out of hook probably gets you the full spectrum of human emotion real quick
stable forum
counterspell only stops a hit
agile void
how does coutnerspell work with Orb? Does it just stop the damage or can it stop...
just one hit
twilit roost
Counterspell the ball still lingers on you
agile void
I hope they allow db to cleanse it or counterspell stopping the ult entirely
or hell, make the orb be breakable
astral lava
it really should just stop the ultimate
warm sonnet
Counterspell should have an upgrade called Spell Reflection, which just Lotus Orb.
Good idea? No
But I needs it
astral lava
if you can counterspell the world's fastest most distracting object you deserve a reward
merry verge
They did slightly slow down the object
astral lava
item that forces someone else to parry
merry verge
But like every other ult is counterable
warm sonnet
item that forces someone else to parry
Melee Charge
stable forum
But like every other ult is counterable
dynamo:
merry verge
Dynamo putting his life on da line
warm sonnet
Unstoppable 😌
merry verge
Also unstopp yeah
astral lava
played a bot game last night and watched enemy dynamo bot ult in the middle of an empty lane
"its so realistic"
warm sonnet
Now, reactable is a whole other issue
astral lava
i do personally think rem ult is kind of in a Better Dynamo Ult situation rn even if its technically a different thing
warm sonnet
Eeeh
astral lava
But that may just be bc those are the only massive teamfight cc ults we have rn
stable forum
The Lash would like to have a conversation with you about that.
merry verge
Dynamo Ult + Celeste is like truly game over
agile void
i do personally think rem ult is kind of in a Better Dynamo Ult situation rn eve...
less dynamo more lash ult
astral lava
Lash is just a meme character he's not actually in the video game. Just something people in the discord made up. I think I would notice if such a guy was real
warm sonnet
i do personally think rem ult is kind of in a Better Dynamo Ult situation rn eve...
It's less impactful imo. Especially as you can react to it and is broken by enough damage
astral lava
/j
merry verge
Parrying Rem ult is so empowering
agile void
yeah basically
warm sonnet
Fuck thar kid
stable forum
it always goes through my counterspell >.>
astral lava
honestly its more the mobility removal thats got me thinking that than the actual sleep
agile void
the fact you can counterspell rem ult makes me lean more into lash ult
warm sonnet
Countercounterspell
merry verge
Technically you can counterspell the first microsecond of Dynamo
astral lava
aghs for rem should just give the helpers a gun and they shoot people
merry verge
But the rest of them getcha
stable forum
aghs for rem should just give the helpers a gun and they shoot people
helpers already shoot people
(only if you put them on troopers)
warm sonnet
aghs for rem should just give the helpers a gun and they shoot people
Helpers no longer flee from Sinners when caught, they start hunting whomever interrupted the shakedown
astral lava
helpers already shoot people
Its crazy this just isnt in the ability tooltip at all. Says increased damage but not that it manifests as a bonus ranged attack
warm sonnet
Higher spirit = helpers get guns
Higher gun = helpers get shanks
Higher health = they become investigated by the feds
stable forum
Its crazy this just isnt in the ability tooltip at all. Says increased damage bu...
yeahhhh
stable forum
Higher health = they become investigated by the feds
Haze is already on the case
warm sonnet
Not the OSIC. The Ethereal Finance Department.
vast sandal
the feds are federal agents, The Fed is the federal reserve bank
warm sonnet
Funerary Economics Department
stable forum
the feds are federal agents, The Fed is the federal reserve bank
yeah, that's what I was thinking
warm sonnet
Handles necromantic tax-evasion, death-certificates (proves you have died and been intered in the US), and buried wealth (as inheritance but to yourself)
Check/balance to the DROW (Dragonic Royal Office of Wealth) founded after Ixia was made a state
magic summit
I will comment on the Juggernaut discussion earlier in the vein of the only reason Juggernaut is bad is because it is expensive
It's comparatively not a lot of extra stuff you are getting for the 4800 upgrade from Enduring Speed
The slow is good and the slow resist is also good
But as mentioned fire rate is easier to build than reduce later game, multiple on a team isn't as good, and there are better anti-gun things for the price point
It's one of those things that you only upgrade when slot locked
granite heath
goat eats cabbage
so, to get across the river in the boat, here's what you need to do:
stable forum
a
earnest verge
yeah just do not 1v1 silver unless you can 100-0 her really fast. is bad idea
merry verge
Anyone real close range but Bebop feels great for Silver imo
Just rough to feed the boy bomb stacks
Bootkick into Slamfire and Graves is just gone though
20m range on the shotgun has felt great
autumn field
Just had a dream where I was Vendator and I solo’d John wick
merry verge
okay double shotgun melee Venator is kind of hilarious
merry verge
yeahp
kind of a deep purple investment but hey uhh.. resists, yeah
they buffed the wallstun damage and duration recently too
lockdown a couple folks for a while
granite heath
can you wallstun -> heavy now?
or do you still need a duration extender
or just hope the opponent doesn't know to parry
merry verge
Still duration v-v
But you can also kind of like
Start up while they're flying in the air
with melee charge
granite heath
I do enjoy melee venator
mostly because I can't aim for shit
but also it's really fun to punch people
vast sandal
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2022539513529274372/vid/avc1/864x720/-JVWnhVuko3cZG0L.mp4?tag=14
@ArsonistWyatt on Twitter
twilit roost
vast sandal
If Archmother is supposed to be classy and imperious imo she needs to be more jazzy and art deco
lavish grove
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/2022539513529274372/vid/avc1/864x720/-JVWn...
Beat deadlock video of all time
stable forum
lavish grove
most impactful shiv ult
Chat, it kinda seems like vampires in deadlock don’t have the whole, dying from sunlight rule
ivory reef
If Archmother is supposed to be classy and imperious imo she needs to be more ja...
Jazz is kind of a black American underground thing right?
Like if anything classical euro architecture sorta makes sense
still swan
Originally yeah iirc
lavish grove
I think by the 40s it was pretty popular with america as a whole though
final osprey
I think it's right in the time between Jazz becoming main stream middle class.
In a like non youth culture way?
But it's possible that's a 50s thing?
rich grove
it was very much relegated and shunned for a while
my exact knowledge of dates and times is pretty bad but there's no way its acceptance in the mainstream is anywhere near the 20s
that said, the archmother's music is in five four so if they want to put the Licc in there, fine
final osprey
Well, the 20s is when it becomes youth culture to my knowledge.
As if there's one thing you can do to piss off your parents it was to listen to 'black music'.
vast sandal
I honestly have no idea if it's the 20s, the 40s, or what
the OSIC seems like a 40s beat
rich grove
idk I just file it away in like
Meet the Robinsons or Prey times
it's the year 190Bioshock
my two cents of personal onion for the musical direction of the archmother is more tubular bells and eerie chorals
final osprey
Deadlock is mostly late 40s, at the furthest leaning into the 70s (Billy)
finite patrol
@merry verge @finite grotto @rocky cobalt @plain furnace Yall signed up for stacking starting in 30 minutes. I'm not gonna be available this Saturday or next to run things, but you should ping the role and make a lobby and get some games in if you are!
plain furnace
sorry, I have other palns for tonight
autumn field
I can play in 30 if yall need someone
merry verge
oh i mean i'm available but running things is a bit outside my expertise, i don't really voicechat <<;
somber creek
I honestly have no idea if it's the 20s, the 40s, or what
30s
rocky cobalt
Deliberating if I wanna deadlock
plain furnace
...
Actually,
i'm not against playing
autumn field
im here
plain furnace
which channel do we use ?
autumn field
¯_(ツ)_/¯
finite patrol
you can just make one!
autumn field
RM0QD
finite patrol
looks like you already have lol
plain furnace
Seemingly, that's what I'm doing
finite grotto
oh then I will also jump in if you are not in a game yet
ping me when ya finished!
agile void
my two cents of personal onion for the musical direction of the archmother is mo...
Tbh I do want to mention that Bebop has jazz in his ult
I imagine that beam is going to become like a sonic beam to make it less "sci fi"
because of this people think bebop is going to be akin to bigband
lavish grove
Man, I hope when we finally get more pocket interactions they have one with Apollo
Based off what we know Apollo’s dad is probably kinda evil, and I wanna see pocket point that out
severe loom
because of this people think bebop is going to be akin to bigband
Let's give a big hand to Big Band!
Lowkey though I feel like all they really need to change is the laser becoming like, a magic staff
rich grove
I kinda like the laser just being a bigger version of the welding beam though
it fits the industrial robit
severe loom
Ah, had not thought of that, I'm not learned on welding
rich grove
well not welding. cutting, more likely
lavish grove
Yah doesn’t welding involve more molten metal then pure heat?
rich grove
that and I don't think lasers are generally welding things
severe loom
I feel like they could do more with him being a scrap golem, in particular
lavish grove
I really like his design in the lady Geist visual novel
It’s probably going to be his actual design eventually
plain furnace
@finite grotto we just finished
lavish grove
Legitimately though I do think it’d be neat to know for sure that Ms Shelly is Jewish though
Since rn that seems likely
rich grove
Bebop Grimm
finite grotto
my friend code 135948889
merry verge
Sorry for one an' done, family dinner thing <3 was fun tho
finite grotto
all good
plain furnace
SP7TG
lavish grove
Bebop Venator interaction where Venator asks if he’s religious and Bebop says he’s got his rabbi already
finite grotto
Slicin
warm sonnet
Oh hey, I was the Apollo in that game
merry verge
Kaioken Yamato..
finite grotto
ah okok!
mild flume
ah is that how you deal with it
finite patrol
its either DC and reconnect or close game and re open. DC/ Rc is what the person i was playing with on yam said but it might have been shorthand
stable forum
I believe I closed game and reopened and it did not fix
it's notable that other people were also able to see the bug as well I think
finite patrol
I've never been able to see it on someone else
finite patrol
dauntless' versions sounds different cus apparently other people could see it
stable forum
weird
mild flume
it's notable that other people were also able to see the bug as well I think
I have had it and other people couldn't see it when I did
so yeah must be kinda different
merry verge
So far my bugs have been people falling through the map and one Invisible Mina
Invisible Mina was rough going
Actually just shot a Rem through the floor in the game we played earlier
raven spindle
Yk, for a game that's actively still being made, the bugs I've seen have been very sparse
merry verge
The five patches per day are doing something I s'pose
vast sandal
jeeeezus
just had my mental crushed in a hydraulic press losing over and over with Drifter
merry verge
He's rough when behind, for sure
terse aspen
Does anyone know of a good guide for beginner strategy?
Also, does anyone have advice for playing Ivy?
finite patrol
There are a lot of good beginner guides out there
Aynthing you're looking for in particular?
Not an Ivy player so cant really help with the 2nd part
terse aspen
Macro strategy, mainly
I'm ok at the movement and combat, I think. I am a little lost when it comes to knowing when to go where and why.
Or what to build when
finite patrol
Here are some videos by Deathy I'd recommend:
Navigating the mid-game: https://youtu.be/YwWdz1h97xc
Efficiency: https://youtu.be/n3EdDdPKed4
Power spikes: https://youtu.be/AQxArnNQdKs
I dont have a good resource about counterbuilding, but if you struggle in a match feel free to ask what you could have built better
terse aspen
Thanks!
finite patrol
Oh! The Macro one! https://youtu.be/pwr2WGHEKMA
vast sandal
play three Drifter games
get blasted every time, absolutely zero chance of accomplishing anything, mental in ruins
play one Wraith game
lose and still have fun
man FUCK playing assassins
finite patrol
combat gender unlocked
vestal hearth
Oh... I guess Drifter is assassin coded
finite patrol
the guy who teleports behind you and deals extra damage to alone targets? :P
merry verge
He's a bit like Haze in the AssassinCarry space
vast sandal
wrong life for me
agile rune
I like drifter a lot but he can be miserable to play, and kinda inconsistent
this is why I have a pocket GOAT
stable forum
agile rune
every billy death is a tragedy
mild flume
Drifter is def fun but inconsistent yeah
stable forum
he won that game but the goat really shouldn't try to fight the wolf >.>
mild flume
Feels like he can totally take over games tho
edgy fog
I was wondering why we won the last game of brawl so easily and... welp..
not a green between. Well, a few
stable forum
the entire enemy team has three green items collectively???
and one of them is fake???
agile rune
Feels like he can totally take over games tho
assassins be like that
raven spindle
Feels like he can totally take over games tho
Aiui Drifter thrives on picking off stragglers and generally uncoordinated teams. That can be said for a lot of characters but he's the only one that literally gets buffs from catching someone out alone if I remember correctly
edgy fog
which made a difference when I was Rem and I had rescue beam so I hopped on my Venator and... uhhh...
Venator never died that game
He's the one on the bottom with zero heals
agile rune
Aiui Drifter thrives on picking off stragglers and generally uncoordinated teams...
yes, and he can have a strong early game he can use to snowball a game long advantage
raven spindle
Nods
You don't really want to wait for Any character to get powerful, but in Drifter's case you Especially don't want that
Bc if he gets to a point where he can menace the team he'll become an objective on his own
vast sandal
Okay I’m not touching an assassin carry in this game again until 100 matches played minimum
Pockets, Wraith, and Doorman are my new best friends
autumn field
I think I can play drifter
merry verge
There's a particular laugh with Doorman for Ulting at Low HP and it's just perfect
autumn field
Lemme try street brawl
vast sandal
There's a particular laugh with Doorman for Ulting at Low HP and it's just perfe...
It’s really good
autumn field
What’s his build anyways?
merry verge
I like to Spirit Snatch on Drifter but I have Rend Bias
vast sandal
Later bullet damage gets pretty good especially as you get passive stacks and fire rate, but the name of the game is just kinda orange goodstuff and green movement
merry verge
Man was built for Vampiric Burst, and getting additional movement on top of his passive speed makes him uncatchable/will catch you, hunters aura synergizes with what you want to be doing..
I like QSR on Rend a lot
idk what it is but his reload feels ages
oh huh it's actually pretty quick >:\a
but still 2.44 seconds of Not Hurting People vs Hurting People More Better
vivid nimbus
Yeah the game has long reloads in general
agile rune
it feels slow because his "gun" doesn't feel like something that should require a reload
finite patrol
2.44 pretty typical
vivid nimbus
They should change his reload to dramatically cracking his knuckles
finite patrol
lmao yesss
agile rune
no he's not that kind of cool
finite patrol
2.44 / 2.5 / 2.59 are basically the middle zone of reload times
astral lava
I am so damn bad at assassin-y types. I gotta stop playing these characters my aim is not good and my ability to gauge danger isn't either. Or range
merry verge
No wonder it feels like Mina never stops firing that damn pistol
astral lava
always barely missing silver kicks lol
vivid nimbus
no he's not that kind of cool
I was thinking the fingers woven, palms out version of the knuckle crack
The one that’s half a stretch
finite patrol
yeah mina and vyper reload times are extremely fast
vivid nimbus
IDK a concise name for it
finite patrol
mcg warden, vin, and billy on the other end
raven spindle
I was thinking the fingers woven, palms out version of the knuckle crack
You could even extend the animation to have him shake out his fingers before snapping back into position
agile rune
billy reload? no billy punch
vivid nimbus
yeah mina and vyper reload times are extremely fast
Mina is a M1 character with only 12 shots, she better have a fast reload XD
raven spindle
Why Wouldn't you use McG's gun, it's the closest we have to an actual minigun
Speaking of reload stats, is Silver the only one with a shell-by-shell reload speed or does Abrams have it too
finite patrol
billy reload? no billy punch
yeah true his reload item is his club
raven spindle
I don't remember who has it other than her
merry verge
Tbf Billy it's faster than I could reload a gun with my mouth
vivid nimbus
Speaking of reload stats, is Silver the only one with a shell-by-shell reload sp...
Yeah Abrams has it too
raven spindle
Shotgun users stay winning ig
autumn field
this should be illegal
stable forum
always barely missing silver kicks lol
oof
stable forum
this should be illegal
yes
raven spindle
this should be illegal
This is what the killer in Roger Rabbit used
agile rune
wasn't it a safe
raven spindle
No, it was a piano
autumn field
this genuinely fucking sucks to play against
vivid nimbus
Oh it has a shorter delay than the anvil too
autumn field
yeah the anvil sucks but its not like i can complain much
its short and i can play around it
Plus it counters Vindicta and GT and Celeste to some extent, so I’m not complaining
stable forum
this genuinely fucking sucks to play against
yeah it's awful!
stable forum
Oh it has a shorter delay than the anvil too
it's a ground aoe
stable forum
enhanced mystical piano is probably most toxic item in the game >.>
vast sandal
Is street brawl Item Labs
stable forum
fortunately, it's not real and cannot hurt you since it doesn't show up in the vast majority of games
however
stable forum
Is street brawl Item Labs
maaaaybe?
granite heath
I feel like the closest is the Stamina items
In that they're cross-attribute combo items
btw, how do their costs actually get counted for item spikes
is Kinetic Dash 800 green/ 800 orange, or 1600 orange?
stable forum
KD is 1600 orange
ivory reef
is Kinetic Dash 800 green/ 800 orange, or 1600 orange?
it changes into full orange
rich grove
more biracial items next update please valve
ivory reef
there are no multi colour items in game for investment calc reasons
mild flume
I think enhanced shrink ray is the worst
astral lava
Still havent even seen shrink ray
mild flume
Whole team impossible to hit or distinguish
The piano is nasty but like the shrink ray is something else
vivid nimbus
Secretly the best anti-gun item?
vast sandal
Oh also, having played Wraith and Pocket and just had a fucking blast with them, I’m seeing the fun of playing a Good Stuff / lightly related bag of skills character
You can just cook whatever bum ass bullshit you want instead of trying to play your innate combo relentlessly
mild flume
They are super fun yea
vast sandal
If you wanna play Gun Wraith where your gimmick is that your kit just hammers people with every mean ass debuff and CC under the sun you can
You can play Silencing, Stunning, Toxic Siphoning Slowing Wraith
You have the cards, you have the firerate self-buff to force every evil gun orb under the sun, you don’t have to buy mobility if you have Wraith teleport…
You don’t need to buy a Knockdown because you have Lift and can simply drop a Lift on em
Character’s fuckin’ sick
mild flume
Yeah I think the gun chars that focus on the onhit debuffs are interesting
vast sandal
The fire rate self-buff is surprisingly violent when you have the onhits and can just put an endless swarm of evils on people
Toxic Siphoning Silencing bullets are mean
agile rune
that style of play means you can also focus on some really mean poke gameplay, rather than doing anything really commmittal
vast sandal
Yeah and if you get a solid poke that procs the debuffs your team can capitalize on that and just end a target you put All The World’s Evils on
They’re silenced, melting, lost their max HP and since you take Bullet Resistance Shredder on Wraith, a dedicated weapon damage enjoyer can just eat them alive
agile rune
it's also the sort of play that leads to people getting anoyed at you and making mistakes because of it
agile rune
everyone loves billy
vast sandal
He’s the GOAT
agile rune
he's the GOAT, the goat
billy has a high floor and pretty decent ceiling in terms of both difficulty and reward, which is nice
vast sandal
Support gunner Wraith might be kinda woke as a build strategy
finite grotto
hm might work
agile rune
I think you might be onto something luna, so long as your lane partner is capable of capitalising
finite grotto
I have only seen/known wraith as basically a mega late carry that wants/needs lotta souls
autumn field
like billy feels right to play
finite grotto
like billy feels *right* to play
light melee supremacy
vast sandal
Hybrid mega-damage Wraith seems like a real thing obviously
autumn field
i dont even light melee much lmao
agile rune
the only thing to really worry about with billy, imo, is that when2 goes on cooldown he has next to nothing to help him evade shit
finite grotto
just go in further 😌
agile rune
legitimately? yeah that's something I've had success with as the solution
autumn field
when the fuck did bots start parrying so much
agile rune
he's got good sustain available to him
vast sandal
people just kinda ignore it if you go deeper into the enemy line when you're getting messed up and focus on trying to get your squishies
it's weird
agile rune
he's also exactly what he says on the tin
all his complexity is from knowing how to pick your moment
finite grotto
and also skirmishing
finite grotto
like keeping track of your ammo for light melee spam usage etc
vast sandal
tanks need to stay in to anchor the team as well
you need to be there so everyone else actually has somewhere to aim and send their bumass bullshit combos
agile rune
the fact he keeps reloading during light melee makes it a great finishing option on someone you've worn down when they've got an ally around you wanna start opening up on
vast sandal
because everyone and their mum is gonna go "okay go fuck up Billy"
agile rune
then you chain them
and everyone comes to the party
also like, far from negligible damage
not massive bursts but sustained damage is legit
finite patrol
you can guess which of us was the support
lifestrike spirit snatch celeste with echo shard on her shield and trans cd is a very funny front liner
agile rune
one of the 37ks?
stable forum
Hybrid mega-damage Wraith seems like a real thing obviously
wraith does a billion damage with Surge of Power & Tesla Bullets. She doesn't need much more.
vast sandal
Surge Tesla is already a nightmare
finite patrol
one of the 37ks?
he couldnt guess 
agile rune
oh?
candid horizon
just played my first solid game with him and i feel the gnosis developing
he’s so fun
agile rune
how'd you build itemswise?
candid horizon
mystic reverb, torment pulse, echo shard, boundless spirit, radiant regen, and cooldowns were the main ones
stamina mastery as well
finite patrol
scary reggie...
rich grove
if he dms you he does 15% more weapon damage
finite patrol
if you're playing street brawl he gets the bonus in forum chats too
agile rune
some friends I play with, when I do get to play, all decided to make our pfps our party/mains
in an ideal world I play drifter and everything works out but sometimes you just need to be the GOAT
plus, Drifter looks very cool because I love edgy things
finite patrol
literally one:
drifter: im going to fucking kill you
finite patrol
mystic reverb, torment pulse, echo shard, boundless spirit, radiant regen, and c...
reverb /shard on advance?
candid horizon
yep
shit is NASTY
with maxed out 1 you can stay airborne and just spear motherfuckers constantly it’s wonderful
finite patrol
oooh
and with the heal and bullet resist you win trades unless you get focuses
nice
just dont get silenced
agile rune
so true, always
granite heath
Witchmail Punch Paige is a lot of fun
finite patrol
nice
I had something similar in a street brawl match where I got echo shard surge witchmail on Celestes shield
rem feels really amazing lategame now
nap time is pretty much permanently available and heals hugely and you're constantly cursing and shielding and freezing on allies then dropping 600 damage pillows after you wake up
the helper counterplay is less of a nerf than id think at oracle
I rarely get my helpers interrupted
rich grove
sorry i just saw 'nerf' and 'oracle' and just imagined the timeline where that chungus card doesnt win the game
finite patrol
what
granite heath
I meanwhile am glad the Oracle nerf brought a little bit of his help and harm flavor back.
finite patrol
oh the doter
granite heath
We are talking about 3 different things.
I think Thresh means MtG.
They could in theory mean the Oracle card in Artifact but I really doubt it.
finite patrol
oh yeah thoracle
the world where it doesnt have the words "or equal to"
im kind of thoracle blind
agile rune
third eye blind
finite patrol
I passed it in a mystery booster draft cus I forgot its a 20 dollar card
I liked playing oracle a lot back when I played dota. I think he was one of the newest heroes back then
agile rune
Deadlock has appeal to me over other mobas because I feel more like, directly involved, if that makes sense
finite patrol
makes perfect sense to me
youre closer to your character and have a more kinetic control of them
vast sandal
Also the schmovement
earnest verge
yeah no that's intuitively logical, there's people I thought wouldn't like either Deadlock or Dota due to like, the dynamics of interacting with and perceiving the world
(and some of them didn't end up liking Deadlock, and some of them ended up preferring Deadlock over Dota despite being okay with both)
Personally I expected to like it less than Dota, and... I do, actually! But it's still pretty fun. Took me a while to find characters I truly vibed with, by which I mean Silver. Maybe I'll also like Drifter, but I haven't properly tried him yet
agile rune
I also just like the designs, especially compared to how designs were when deadlock was first announced
earnest verge
And there's like, differences in the characters I end up preferring based on these genres
everyone who saw me get into Deadlock expected me to try and like characters like Abrams and Billy
and... I don't hate them, I guess, but it's not remotely the same, to me, as playing Centaur, Underlord, Timbersaw or whatever other strength offlaner in Dota
agile rune
It’s way more fun ambushing and isolating characters when you’re in the meat of it
vast sandal
honestly it feels like now I have a handle on what I'm actually comfortable with risk-reward wise with this game and what characters feel good to me to play
I like the freedom to cook a little with kits that are open to interpretation and creativity rather than hardcore "you must combo and you must do it this way and this is what each tool you have is exactly for" locked-in gaming, and to be totally honest I think death-or-glory gaming is not for me in Deadlock I wanna have a plan if things don't go well
Pockets is a little bit outside my comfort zone just because going for an Affliction in teamfights is crucial to doing Pockets right and also that shit is absolutely a death-or-glory maneuver
agile rune
How about death and glory
vast sandal
like I know if you do things just right with the trunk, the coat, and glorp stone you can pop in, give em the frogs, hop in the trunk and then swoos on out
but god damn if that shit ain't finnicky as hell and put you at maximal risk
agile rune
Sometimes consistent play comes out ahead
And those risky plays don’t help if your team isn’t also capitalising on them
cerulean pendant
finally broke my 7 loss streak life is good
frail jasper
graves: REMOVED from the roster
I go back to my comfy REM
it was a horrible lane (Mo & Vindicta) that led into an ineffectual game (entire enemy team just doesn't interact with Graves whatsoever)
agile rune
Graves and REM seem to share a lot of that macro gameplay
merry verge
That's also Wraith gameplay, Seven gameplay, Anti Mage gameplay...
autumn field
The Unkillable Graves is an insanely funny build
still swan
Reggie has become Drifterpilled it seems
autumn field
i think my green graves is going to get witchmail
agile rune
always had been star, some friends that I play with all decided we'd make our mains our pfps
well our favourites
autumn field
i realize it's gonna have crazy good healing potential for graves w/ rrecharging rush
agile rune
I like drifter a lot but I main GOAT
autumn field
id make a white haired carmen edit with a skull hairband if i didnt have a broken touchscreen
actually wait a sec
i need to do some math
but
agile rune
how're folks vibing with apollo
autumn field
witchmail trolls the shit out of him
probably balanced in a bebop world
his 3 gives you -12 seconds CD in total
man graves is amazing, builds-wise
im thinking of building the regen loop graves that heals off literally everything
agile rune
they're lab partners
agile rune
im thinking of building the regen loop graves that heals off literally everythin...
statements cooked up by the deranged /pos
autumn field
here's the stupid fun part
fleetfoot and burst fire are really good on graves, to make up for low stamina, and to give her more shooty shoot
however, this means more slide, so infinite ammo
therefore, by combining autoaim and high RoF, you can siphon bullets really well
so the build is trans cd, esc resil, bullet/spirit succ/leech, healing tempo, rad regen
you can compress your 1 and get rad regen for your 4.8k spike, then take healbane healing booster for the green 4.8k (esp good vs a vic, abrams, etc)
and your gun is gonna be resto + close quarters -> point blank + monster + titanic
how does mystic work with graves skulls anyways?
dispel magic will be an exvellent counter item on green graves
agile rune
I'm assuming that they'll probably start another round of voting come march probably
agile void
wispy kernel
lmao
dim tendon
I need to do some homework on the pinging system in this game
There's pings I have no idea how people do
agile rune
battle royale games really changed the pinging landscape
plain furnace
https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1r4sl49/valve_realy_outdid_the...
That's called the "Baby Boom(er)"
dim tendon
There's some way to ping "we should take out [x]" and I have no idea how to do that x3
I think there's also a ping for "[X] is almost back"
plain furnace
I'm not asking because of ragebait.
Is it normal for a Walker to fall around the 12min mark ?
Because it happens in most of the games I played recently, where like my lane tends to hold (more or less), while another is completely crushed, and then it snowballs towards a defeat.
Maybe I should go to another lane, to help ? But how we keep pressure on our own ?
agile void
I'm not asking because of ragebait.
Is it normal for a Walker to fall around the...
it shouldnt be happening to be honest
walkers have a diminishing defense that expires.... I think by minute 15 or 20?
if they can take a walker before, that is bad news or they got super fed
bleak thicket
Or lane got abandoned
agile void
Also that
bleak thicket
I've taken early walkers entirely cause no one showed up to defend
agile void
At that point the lane winner of the struggling team should go over to help or relinquish something of the winning lane to help that one
because at that point the security loss of the walker is more important rather than the flexslot the enemy got
plain furnace
Because, it starts like that, and really, from this point on, the games look the same: I don't have time to reposition or farm anything, I get pounced left and right, and we lose without being able to fell more than one walker
Not that I'm good, or I wanna insult my teammates
agile void
yeah you do need to gank or help the struggling lane
plain furnace
But how ? It's already hard to maintain the pressure on my own lane
agile void
just shoving the minions can help
bleak thicket
If your walker isn't in as much danger, rotating to the other one is worth
Losing a bit of pressure to save a walker is good
plain furnace
...
I can't even do that efficiently, the enemy players just push and push.
agile void
so long someone isnt constantly pressuring or straight up in your face after the walker you should be able to appear into another walker
also remember minion waves come every...
what?
10? 20 seconds?
that is technically 10 seconds of downtime in the enemy assault, as they cant really hurt the walker without minions unless they are like super fed
bleak thicket
It also depends on who you're playing
And how you're trying to pressure
Often just
Showing up, clearing the enemy troopers, and moving on is already good
agile void
I pressure by forcing them to kill the minions first then take the camps nearby
I often dont commit to a push if I dont know where is at least half the enemy team
bleak thicket
Rem/graves/McGinnis also can pressure way easier
plain furnace
hmmm
agile rune
easier and safer
is there a character you prefer to play lokyos or find this happening most with?
agile void
rem and graves provide passive/free pressure with the boosted minions and ghouls
agile rune
maybe there's character specific advice that might help
plain furnace
is there a character you prefer to play lokyos or find this happening most with?
Hmmm
Paige/McGinnis/Ivy on a more support side
Venator/Warden/Vyper on a more shooty side
agile void
ivy is a pretty quick rotate and minion killer with vines and ult
agile rune
are you playing mostly solo queue?
plain furnace
Again, I don't wanna complain
It just feels like I don't have time.
My life is constanly too low (or it doesn't matter because I get ganked), even with greens.
Getting pressured I don't get enough souls, so I don't even have enough to go farm jungle
plain furnace
are you playing mostly solo queue?
Mostly yeah
I played with a friend, with not better results
And I played two games with people on this server, which went alright. The second one had this hard push on one lane, although
agile rune
communication from your team can help a bit, so you know to come across and give them a hand, but also awareness, knowing that they're going down a lot
assuming that's why they're losing lane, not that they're just abandoning it
plain furnace
hmmm