return fire, metal skin
#Deadlock
agile void
lavish grove
Well to be honest I’d prefer that lol
warped ridge
Lucky shot eats through them minus return fire and metal skin but those they can just shoot someone else instead of not being able to shoot at all
Ahhh gotcha
lavish grove
Defensive counters are significantly less frustrating to be up against then CC counter items
warped ridge
Yeah might be better to play main mode then
lavish grove
I’d rather my opponent have a thousand metal skins then another silence wave
agile void
I just dont think it will be good to get rid of those items
warped ridge
Cause brawl rng gonna be rng unless they start pulling them which Idk if they will (I know I personally don't think they should)
agile void
like reverb says, there will be even more unwinnable matches
warped ridge
I just dont think it will be good to get rid of those items
Imo they shouldn't cause people like me exist use brawl to practice items a lot
agile void
how do you stop a victor that is fully built without curse?
warped ridge
So people who think brawl is newbie friendly will never interact with them until main
So then you just assume you can never stop seven from ulting
stable forum
Lucky shot eats through them minus return fire and metal skin but those they can...
did you mean apr?
Lucky is +12.5% dps versus plated
agile void
is apr the one
stable forum
yeah lucky shot is just 25% gun dps multiplicative
warped ridge
"Horseshoe ignores armor, got it"
Anyways yeah APR can eat through some of the defensive counters
Like they might do it
Or Valve might just release like
Idk joust or something
Who knows
vestal hearth
magic summit
I would agree in that you could probably limit the duration of some of the disables that the items give in brawl
They already added a brawl specific balance to Curse
Not a stretch to extend that to other items
Not getting an rng roll for Dispel Magic versus their enhanced focus lens is a pretty bad feeling
wise blade
Has Valve mentioned at all how long the dev window is for Deadlock / a target time for release? They're making a lot of progress over the last year which is neat
magic summit
No
still swan
Do you still need to be invited to play Deadlock or is it open now
magic summit
Yes
finite patrol
Still invite
warped ridge
The devs aren't ready for the game to be released on steam yet
So it's in secret access of invite only
still swan
"Secret"
median lantern
It’s so secret
still swan
But yeah fair
toxic gulch
There’s that max0r quote
You have to be invited in like a vampire
Luckily there are thousands of vampires already inside the house
torn gulch
I assume it's probably gonna be a year more and it comes into open beta and then it will slowly creep until one day they decide "Yeah, time to release this mf"
The game is pretty polished other than some areas of the map and they finally deleted the payload object from the map lmao
bleak thicket
Has Valve mentioned at all how long the dev window is for Deadlock / a target ti...
Considering how valve is organized internally, development can go from relatively fast to "were bored and not working on it anymore"
And anywhere in between
ivory reef
https://youtu.be/bSVS77zTGTw @vast sandal
still swan
Development does seem pretty far along as is
Dunno what else needs to be changed or added
Beyond maybe new heroes
bleak thicket
They need to finish the map
bleak thicket
Yes
finite grotto
would love some variety in jungle mobs
vast sandal
everything is unfinished
bleak thicket
They literally updated rooms when Apollo released
still swan
Neat
magic summit
Neutrals, model updates, map changes, a generalized update to the way you get information on abilities to not have as much hidden info
Draft mode
median lantern
https://youtu.be/bSVS77zTGTw <@158702940591226880>
Eternus 6 support BRUTALLY guidemogs OTHER Doorman guides
bleak thicket
i do hope they do big map changes like we get in dota
"haha btw the map is 20% bigger now :)"
quiet sapphire
"haha btw the map is 20% bigger now :)"
that update killed my pc
i had to upgrade 😔
vast sandal
okay right off the bat piggy is saying things I agree with
like "use your god damn bell to tilt the balance of lane fights in your favor"
warped ridge
At one point I stole his MVP by stealing his Silver kill
median lantern
the lane made of paper
Just gotta find some rocks
warped ridge
We kinda controlled the entire game
merry verge
Doorman + Coordination is really damn potent
Just played with a Venator that would put traps under folks I ulted and just wait there with Domini
brutalized 'em
warped ridge
If you have a Doorman on your team you should maybe use the doors he so politely opens for you
merry verge
*IT GIVES YOU 500 SHIELD PLS.. *
warped ridge
I just see the door and I go, "oh shit, free back attacks"
vast sandal
It’s a struggle to decide if I’m going to use the door to flank, to try and cart them under my guardian, or to reserve it for escape
warped ridge
All 3
merry verge
especially once you get the range upgrade
warped ridge
Same time 
merry verge
fighting mid? no, we're under the walker now
tame jay
agile void
agile void
okay right off the bat piggy is saying things I agree with
Piggy is like one of the highest supp players in the game
not sure what his rank is, but if you want Support/playmaking stuff, he is your guy
vast sandal
mm
warped ridge
Got Haze support guide?
stable forum
haze support is werid
finite patrol
https://youtu.be/bSVS77zTGTw <@158702940591226880>
piggy the goat
stable forum
it's workable but it's weird and you can't do it consistently because you might get put with a rem
finite patrol
I will say re: piggy builds they are better for higher skill players
stable forum
it's workable but it's weird and you can't do it consistently because you might ...
mostly you just buy echo shard honestly
agile void
Got Haze support guide?
he actually did one play like tha t once I think
wise blade
Considering how valve is organized internally, development can go from relativel...
Yeah the infamous Valve time strikes again; once things settle down a bit on my end I'm definitely interested in giving it a proper spin
stable forum
it might just be spirit haze actually
warped ridge
Hmmmmmm
agile void
but most of it should still apply
warped ridge
I must watch
agile void
I must watch
still support is more assasin/pick haze
merry verge
Pyke Styles..
finite patrol
afaiac farming carry haze is underutilizing her kit
dusky flume
Doorman is evil (positive)
finite patrol
what do you mean?
merry verge
If you hit someone who's currently being carted with your ult the cart also goes with them, so they hit the wall inside the Hotel and get stunned
finite patrol
oh yeah
stable forum
it is terrifying
finite patrol
ive never pulled it off lol
finite patrol
yeah
vast sandal
garbage disposal doors are very good
finite patrol
if you have multiple people on a cart and you ult one of them you should ult all of them. just imo
quiet sapphire
if you have multiple people on a cart and you ult one of them you should ult all...
and there was only one bed...
finite patrol
doorman would make sure the accommodations are adequate
earnest verge
if you have multiple people on a cart and you ult one of them you should ult all...
ironically would probably be weaker, one of the big advantages of Doorman's ult is that everyone knows there's a single specific tasty morsel being served up in about five seconds
with no real communication needed
finite patrol
he will torment you and send you to hell but it will be well furnished with room service
quiet sapphire
i don't know people will literally hear the sound effect the voiceline and me saying "got one" whenever i holliday ult
and people will stil say "holliday you need to communicate ur ults"
you'd be surpised
toxic gulch
ironically would probably be weaker, one of the big advantages of Doorman's ult ...
one tasty meal
finite patrol
ironically would probably be weaker, one of the big advantages of Doorman's ult ...
hard disagree. thats the pick aspect. which is great! in a teamfight if you can turn a 6v6 into a 4v6 for 6 seconds youre cooking with the juice. thats why Kelvin was so nasty back when he had numbers on his abilities. but the perfect dome is harder to land then a solid baroness
earnest verge
one tasty meal
full of juicy souls
dusky flume
If I give Doorman a nice, freshly baked pistachio muffin, would I be spared a trip to hell?
finite patrol
anyway my recommendation was a joke I dont think they should do this
agile void
you'd be surpised
ping 20 times that I have black hole
earnest verge
hard disagree. thats the pick aspect. which is great! in a teamfight if you can ...
true
finite patrol
just dome harder
toxic gulch
full of juicy souls
doorman voice: "Dinner is served"
agile void
I remember crashing out because I got a 4 man ult, in base, when 3 of my teammates were still alive
quiet sapphire
yeah sometimes people just come here to click on heads
agile void
I refresh and hit the second black hole
quiet sapphire
eh what can you do
earnest verge
If I give Doorman a nice, freshly baked pistachio muffin, would I be spared a tr...
pistachios are probably suboptimal for the environment in some way, you go straight to double hell
agile void
and i get ignored
And I started crashing out on the vc
I shouldnt have done that but we were in the backfoot the entire game, and that moment to turn the tables happened
finite patrol
my brain is locked in the moment I hear someone land a pick ult on my team im fucking beelining to throw as much shit as I can on them
agile void
well not vc, in chat
quiet sapphire
my brain is locked in the moment I hear someone land a pick ult on my team im fu...
I AM THE COSMOS
bleak thicket
If you hit someone who's currently being carted with your ult the cart also goes...
That is so funny looool
earnest verge
And I started crashing out on the vc
well. This is just another skill you have to work on.
warped ridge
Actually nah removing that one all together
finite patrol
doorman urn nerfs were completely warranted
quiet sapphire
oh wait light eater used to give lifesteal to teammates? 😭
earnest verge
my brain is locked in the moment I hear someone land a pick ult on my team im fu...
yeah sometimes retreating is the smart thing to do but then someone drops the ult and it's suddenly a bit do or die
finite patrol
apparently lmao!
warped ridge
doorman urn nerfs were completely warranted
Oh ye def
quiet sapphire
at least if you die you all die together
and nobody nitpicks in voice chat like
infernuuuss what are you doing mann why werent you there
finite patrol
yeah sometimes retreating is the smart thing to do but then someone drops the ul...
yeah its a funny balancing thing in all of these games. I know this is not the best initiation but its 35 minutes and youre already in there
agile void
well. This is just another skill you have to work on.
I do remember that at least I didnt outright was mean to the team and it was more of a
"I got 4 in there and no one died aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh"
earnest verge
oh wait light eater used to give lifesteal to teammates? 😭
I keep finding people who are surprised by this 😤
Stg Swedish people have the best English comprehension in the world sometimes, IMO the description was pretty clear, except for the part where your brain might rewrite it because giving everyone spirit lifesteal on the target was obviously mad
earnest verge
commit to what your team is doing
Bad plan everyone is committed to is better than a good plan no-one is committed to (1 person = 0 people)
golden rule of mobas
finite patrol
Swedish people just have better understanding of bad rules writing
earnest verge
It was an Oxford comma!!
finite patrol
thats why they are so good at ttrpgs
earnest verge
Okay so no comma, my memory was off
agile void
Yeah nothing specified it was team wide
earnest verge
Separate clause implying lack of Celeste-specificness, though
quiet sapphire
spirit rend
earnest verge
"... when attacked by Celeste" ... "and provides spirit lifesteal"
quiet sapphire
finite patrol
it doesnt specify who it applies to therefore it applies only to this hero
and
it doesnt specify who it applies to therefore it applies to everyone
are both equally valid interpretations of that and that is why its a bad description.
quiet sapphire
spirit rend says "grants you and your allies"
finite grotto
for heroes like yamato when would you decide to go for 4,8k gun invesntments over green or spirit. Is it more about the items themselves (like slowing bullets for catching up, rend for shred or hunter/heroic for def stats) or more about what the enemies build or something inbetween? (and also jsut hero dependant)
quiet sapphire
it's much for explicit in its wording
finite patrol
yeah spirit rend is properly written
earnest verge
it doesnt specify who it applies to therefore it applies only to this hero
and
i...
It could be clearer but the literal meaning is the latter, IMO
But yeah that's why one should always disambiguate, as in Spirit Rend
agile void
for heroes like yamato when would you decide to go for 4,8k gun invesntments ove...
from what I know
gun is strong early, compared to reaching spirit investment
or at least the logic tends to be:
spirit investment:strong early, damage in burst
gun early:not that strong, it is always available functionally
that is why when you see people build up on gun its kind of early
or go for items that help or scale off your spirit investment
finite grotto
hmhm
so very much an investment to bridge cooldown to cooldown with some more "reliavle" dmg
also I wish apollo ult had like a better indicator but I know it is tough to actually do
it presents like a line-ish dash but it is kinda av ery big tube
finite patrol
mod that replaces apollo ult with a subway tunnel
finite grotto
yooo
ivory reef
merry verge
Super fun when folks don't respect a pause
finite patrol
lost a game last night cus when I dcd in the 0-0 lane they took our mid guardian and killed my partner 😔
merry verge
It's just unsporting
finite patrol
left at 330min came back at 5min
like if they dont come back in 5 minutes then lets just go
but you can afford 5 minutes to have a good 30-45 minute game instead of a waste of time
agile void
finite patrol
apollo is an anime character
dim tendon
so , i think i found my fave item in the game today
Heroic aura, my beloved
warm sonnet
I need to try it out
dim tendon
having it on a graves built purely for her ult
its very fun
warm sonnet
I respect it, but I gotta learn it good
dim tendon
there is nothign funnier than ulting
popping refresher
ulting again
then using heroic aura to send 6 ghouls into the enemy at mach 10
vast sandal
Got another question for the experienced folk, how do I know when to go get jg creeps / pick up non-lane farm during laning
dim tendon
in my experience so far
whenever its faster to do it versus farming a trooper wave
troopers first, then 2nd priority is sinners sacrifce machnies if you're near one
then jungles , then boxes
vast sandal
So like if we’re pushed up rather than taking potshots at the enemy under their tower I should go stuff my face
dim tendon
depends really
early game when the guardians are still alive, Sinners and jungles wont have spawned in yet
jungles start spawning at 5 mins? i think?
and sinners spawn in at 8
but yeah generally if the tower is still up , and both sides arent commititng to a push
i'll grab my sides sinner machine
stable forum
Got another question for the experienced folk, how do I know when to go get jg c...
timing is just 'when you clear wave'
ideally you clear the wave then immediately go do boxes or take t1 camp or similar
vast sandal
I gotta explore an empty map and drill it into my head where my damn Sinner’s and easy camp are
finite patrol
heroic aura ghouls are fucking terrifying
stable forum
the amount of boxes you can get isn't very large
dim tendon
there is a lil box indicator on the map for where the Sinners are
stable forum
yeaa
dim tendon
also also, blue has a very good sinners spot
its got 2 sinners machines and 1 medium jungle creep in it
stable forum
??
the sinners spots are the same.
vast sandal
Yeah and whenever I try to wander over to the box indicator I end up in an alleyway wondering where the fuck the sinner’s machine is
vast sandal
So I gotta go drill the map a little
stable forum
you get more time in between waves if you clear the wave faster
dim tendon
also if you do grab the double sinners with the jungle creep
make sure you kill the creep otherwise i hear the sinners wont respawn
a good cheat i've been using is a lot of the time sinners are very close to the shops
twilit roost
And the map icon won't go away, only noticed that once I started playing Rem and stealing the enemy double sinners consistently
So if you want to be sneaky you can leave the creep alive so your opponents won't see the two sinners got taken on the minimap
bleak thicket
downside of that is the sinners wont respawn
dim tendon
i dont think i'd ever be brave enough to steal the enemies double sinner spot
bleak thicket
twilit roost
downside of that is the sinners wont respawn
True, more for if you arent playing Rem and you're getting a cheeky sinners steal in
dim tendon
the true rem farm is the one soul cockroaches in the tunnels
twilit roost
The true Rem farm is you the player when Abrams shoulder checks you into tbe wall
dim tendon
i do wonder what its like sharing a lane with a rem
twilit roost
It's minute 8 brb
finite patrol
downside of that is the sinners wont respawn
kind of an upside for the enemies double. theyre not always going to let you get away with it
its nuanced
but yes if youre taking your own doubles as rem you MUST KILL THE CREEP
bleak thicket
i do wonder what its like sharing a lane with a rem
if you know what youre doing it means you can take their guardian in like 4 minutes
finite patrol
I had a rem mcg lane which was like a 12 minute walker
she kept walling so my helpers could get some alone time with the objectives it was great
bleak thicket
oh ye mcginnis rem is just objective pushing the lane
dim tendon
mcginnis scares me
vast sandal
The problem with Rem McG is that the enemy WILL be more able to poke you out in lane
toxic gulch
its very fun to be the person who never leaves in deadlock
we were winning lane, then our yellow lane graves just left, we started losing, and then everyone else disconnected.
so i just sat in base on the rafters and watched the enemy team go.
they were good sports, we had a nice chat while they destroyed the base.
it's very very funny
"Im just gonna go smoke up here you can take the patron"
it was cute
enemy apollo was cracked, he was cool and a good sport
dim tendon
i've been in games like that x3
dim tendon
i had one the other day where everyone left before jungle creeps cuold even spawn
toxic gulch
everyone else gone, entire enemy team on gloat killstreak, yamato saying "you got this"
THIS ONE
it was beautiful
dim tendon
im fascinatd by what causes games like this
bleak thicket
it depends
if someone leaves and the text goes "its safe to leave"
ill just 100% leave all the time
earnest verge
If I was solo I would probably stay, old Dominions player reflex
toxic gulch
its usually like
one person leaves
and the team is like "okay we might be able to still have fun"
and then another person gives up
and then it snowballs
im just stubborn and dont leave
vast sandal
Played a 4v3 yesterday where our fed carries left and theirs stayed so we lost lol
Also had a match where my lane partner was like “look Doorman, can play Deadlock on Nokia NGage”
toxic gulch
lmao
finite grotto
@finite patrol @rich grove I SLASHED EM
Back to back 50 min games but this time I did it
Witchmail is so fucking fun (also the post game items are bugged huh)
Dynamo was hunting me with refresher to try for solo ults
Such a fun game
vast sandal
I gotta start messing with my screen name
Taunt to Body Wash 24 Hour Scrub Blocker Power needs to return
dim tendon
i'm so so tempted to change my name to Minecraft zombie spawner
vast sandal
when I was unironically sweating at Dark Souls 3 PvP my characters were TAXMAN3000 the pure strength ungabunga shirtless dude and The Evil Wizard, who was an evil wizard
I need to bring back that dark energy
dim tendon
nothing beats being evil in souls pvp
which is why i will forever hold a distain for seamless co op for killing the already kinda dead elden ring invasion scene but thats here nor there
anyway deadlock
once played with a silver just called <Him> and that made me giggle
vast sandal
Is the camp distribution asymmetrical?
vast sandal
ah, so the sidelanes each have one side that gets a T1 camp and the other doesn't
cruel
bleak thicket
it is diagonally symmetrical yeah
at least for now
map changes might make it more like dota where its
diagonally symmetrical-ish
with minor variations in position/pathing
dim tendon
....im so tempted to queue for another game but i must resist
finite patrol
at least for now
map changes might make it more like dota where its
diagonally ...
already kinda is going that direction. the library has a table where the museum does not
still swan
Are there different maps in Dota?
finite patrol
the museum stealth add...
finite patrol
do novelty game modes still get their own maps or nah
finite grotto
I know street brawl is kinda that already but I would fuck hard with a deadlock Aram map/a one corridor map specifically for that mode instead of how it is atm
Might maybe need to be one lane and then like shorter side alleys maybe to keep movement..or make it more vertical 👀
ivory reef
so , i think i found my fave item in the game today
Heroic aura, my beloved
Eyyy it's my zato
rich grove
I'm actually worth quite a few tricks tyvm
dim tendon
Eyyy it's my zato
eyy its coolest bird i know
stable forum
warden flask radius small until rank 2
final osprey
It's fine if you're bad at hitting the flask you get it like every 4 seconds when it's fully upgraded
granite heath
do novelty game modes still get their own maps or nah
There's an arcade with custom maps, some of which are utilizing base DotA 2 heroes in different types of games, but the main DotA game is all on one map, though you can queue for different draft modes.
stable forum
i have no idea why he's here for the ritual
he's here to fuck everything up
"The patrons must be stopped, no matter the cost."
granite heath
I think he's just dropped the Arc but is still here to destroy both Ancients Patrons.
rich grove
I think he's just dropped the Arc but is still here to destroy both ~~Ancients~~...
please, arc warden was my father,
granite heath
Could be worse.
Could be Arc Wardens.
dim tendon
"The patrons must be stopped, no matter the cost."
oh so like, both of them?
...this is valuable information
still swan
Isnt Venetor here for a similar reason
dim tendon
im adding warden to my team comp "waste the ritual"
magic summit
There's an arcade with custom maps, some of which are utilizing base DotA 2 hero...
DEADLOCK ABILITY DRAFT NOW
I demand it
merry verge
Counterspelling Apollo's counterspell riposte, just an AHA competition
warped ridge
Can you counter spell the counter spell?
merry verge
That or he missed it but I got the noise from something else
But it isn't just an 'he parries and stuns you' he has to do a little pommel strike
warm sonnet
Yeah, it's plausibly counterspellable
merry verge
Honestly felt nice against the whole kit, everything has that little windup
autumn field
I wanna see what street brawl would be like if you got fixed orbs instead of random draw
toxic gulch
How does riposte work
stable forum
anything which can be construed as an 'attack' except normal shooting results in riposte trigger.
autumn field
You can parry literally every ult
You can also parry the patron curse somehow
Whose the most OP lore-wise?
warped ridge
Whose the most OP lore-wise?
The minions
autumn field
You can parry literally every ult
Infernus ult stocks down 90% after Riposte
I don’t think it’s possible to ult a good Apollo on Infernus
still swan
Whose the most OP lore-wise?
Seven probably
stable forum
You can parry literally every ult
you cannot parry dynamo's ult
counterspell also doesn't work on dynamo ult
(it should! Dynamo should get parrystunned if his ult gets counterspelled, clearly this is how things should be)
granite heath
I assume because the stun re-applies in an aura
Does the heal + spirit power not happen for Dynamo ult?
autumn field
Oh that’s weird
quiet sapphire
didnt it used to buy you like 0.3 seconds
which you could warpstone out
but not do much else
warped ridge
I don’t think it’s possible to ult a good Apollo on Infernus
Tbf I wouldnt try to ult him, I would just ult his team and avoid the stun
autumn field
Seven probably
Yeah I was thinking that if the dude could counterspell motherfucking seven nation soul ripper
And is fully capable of becoming god through the ritual
It would be so fucking funny if Seven, on release day gets a patch note that says something like
“Reduced DPS average from 25,000 to 250”
warm sonnet
Hell, Apollo can parry shooting. Meaning he's the anime swordsman we all deserve.
stable forum
Hell, Apollo can parry shooting. Meaning he's the anime swordsman we all deserve...
he can? I thought it had to have a special attached
still swan
Yeah I was thinking that if the dude could counterspell motherfucking seven nati...
Doorman technically is probably the strongest, but he holds back
warm sonnet
he can? I thought it had to have a special attached
I Riposted a Haze blasting me with her M1 (and nothing else that I could I see)
autumn field
Also I gotta wonder what’s keeping someone from bringing an M1 Abrams into the field
stable forum
I Riposted a Haze blasting me with her M1 (and nothing else that I could I see)
that could have been the haze 3 trigger
warm sonnet
That could be true, but also sorta sillier to me
toxic gulch
anything which can be construed as an 'attack' except normal shooting results in...
Oh so.
Regular shooting is fine
Abilities or melee are a nono?
At least more or less
finite patrol
Also I gotta wonder what’s keeping someone from bringing an M1 Abrams into the f...
Abrams kit just lends itself to a tank hybrid style better.
at initiate i think u can run full gun on ANY hero tho
toxic gulch
Just so I know how to respond
autumn field
Abrams kit just lends itself to a tank hybrid style better.
at initiate i think ...
I mean
stable forum
restorative locket might be the worst item >.>
it's very sad I feel.
i say this and then heal a few thousand hp with enhanced locket >.>
finite patrol
what do u mean binah
stable forum
Hell, Apollo can parry shooting. Meaning he's the anime swordsman we all deserve...
it might just straight up be shooting parried tooo
autumn field
what do u mean binah
A whole fucking TANK
Imagine a burst fire fleetfoot tank just drifting (sliding) towards you
finite patrol
Abrams is very slow base movement
finite patrol
in fact the slowest aside from Ven Warden and Viktor
autumn field
I’m talking about the literal American treaded vehicle 
ivory reef
he can? I thought it had to have a special attached
Any bullet
frail jasper
Also I gotta wonder what’s keeping someone from bringing an M1 Abrams into the f...
Streets not big enough
ivory reef
He can parry everything including walker stomps
stable forum
a
ivory reef
The only thing he doesn't parry is general aura damage
autumn field
btw how do you figure out when someone’s gonna ult?
ivory reef
Read their mind
autumn field
Like, how do you counter say, a shiv ult?
ivory reef
Oh that's easy
frail jasper
Read their mind
ivory reef
It's like. Big audio cue and stuff
I counterspell it
It's so obvious when shiv is gonna ult you
Like people are gonna ult at obvious moments
frail jasper
Some have audio cues, other times you have to infer based on how they're moving
stable forum
shiv has a big noise
ivory reef
Welcome to fighting games
frail jasper
Or the situation
ivory reef
Get in their head
finite grotto
Yamato is becoming solidly my favourite hero!
ivory reef
Like if a lash ults you he's OBVIOUSLY gonna death slam
frail jasper
Dynamo has ult? You're doing midboss? He's GONNA dash jump into the pit and ult 100% of the time, so expect it
finite grotto
is she like not liked that much/unpopular cause I am able to ger her basically every game (might also be an mmr thing/where I am playing)
ivory reef
Hasn't had her model updated so the lesbians aren't feral for her yet
frail jasper
Like if a lash ults you he's OBVIOUSLY gonna death slam
I like using silence wave on lash when he ults so he can't ground slam
ivory reef
Have fun with her
finite patrol
I’m talking about the literal American treaded vehicle <:nso_sob:143803883678020...
tanks are fast and not exclusively american
finite grotto
lessgo
warped ridge
Yeah you just kinda style on people to counter with the repost
autumn field
tanks are fast and not exclusively american
The M1 Abrams is an irl tank made by Americans?????
warped ridge
It's the same way I solo Abrahams and other chars as Silver
autumn field
warped ridge
I just outplay them and yomi hustle them
autumn field
I’m confused as hell
warped ridge
tanks are fast and not exclusively american
Wait wdym tanks aren't fast?
finite grotto
I love how janky but deadly yamato 2 is
You need a single frame of enemy and then it lets you phase trough walls and chase them to the ends of the earth 😌
edgy fog
I love Rem pillow. I threw one into the distance, I had just gotten off the zipline so I threw it reaaaal far. It lands and the Venator pops. We push and we manage to end the game with the venator saying "people can throw them around corners now huh?"
That pillow whipped over the heads of his entire team to catch his back foot like a dilf seeking missile
frail jasper
It just clicked for me why I like pillow: the same reason I like viscous splatter. You can LAUNCH them into the distance and shout "KOBE" into chat and blow someone up who thought they were getting away
edgy fog
it's beautiful
finite grotto
That is why I wanna learn holliday aswell
finite grotto
melee spiking barrels onto enemies is so satisfying but she is so hard
edgy fog
Oh Carmen, I had an apollo on our team. I'd wait for his ult, watch him spike through the enemy, and while they were exploding and cursed and slowed I'd land my ult from above and watch as apollo just walked up and prepared to shank them
Also, as this was street brawl, I picked up colossus. Rem has lines for using Colossus. He just goes "BIIIIG!" while becoming slightly bigger than a minion
autumn field
My favorite strat in street brawl rn is hiding behind the little veil with my ult, and I wait for them to push and then I hit everyone with an execute
edgy fog
Nice
finite patrol
Wait wdym tanks aren't fast?
thats the opposite of what I said
finite patrol
The M1 Abrams is an irl tank made by Americans?????
ohhhh I get it now. sorry I didnt mean to troll you
autumn field
ok am i crazy or is refresher crazy good on apollo
i could argue for echo shard on his 3 too
edgy fog
I'm gonna be honest I think refresher and echo shard are great on everyone
nothing beats "do it again" the button
finite grotto
ok am i crazy or is refresher crazy good on apollo
def good but def late game item once you have i think the majority of your items
it is a 300s base cooldown
frail jasper
Echo Shard on Apollo's 3 is gonna be meta honestly. It does too many things to pass over. Refresher won't be bad either but I think you won't really need it due to how he works out: you just kill everyone with your abilities (+ echo shard 3) and wow they're dead, no need to AOE curse-kill them twice in a row.
And his ult already approaches a 1-minute cooldown so you can expect to use it once for EVERY fight you take
finite grotto
like yamato i like witchmail also a lot on apollo
warped ridge
thats the opposite of what I said
O shit my brain did not read that correctly
I was so confused 😭
autumn field
witchmail and spellbreaker delete apollo
rich grove
And his ult already approaches a 1-minute cooldown so you can expect to use it o...
I noticed this Sinclairing against him, you just have the ult over and over again if you steal it
it is also, unsurprisingly, just a really fucking insane Sinclair steal
mossy lance
thieving, stealing, taking what's not yours
rich grove
apollo, celeste, rem, graves bring this character's overall Felony Likelihood up so much
mossy lance
no lie
graves does bring up a good point actually
if you mirror graves ult do the ghouls just like. start another lane fight, basically
perfect
rich grove
Silver is okay but drops off like a rock past laning where the cheap ass flat health on a low cd just wins you the lane
vast sandal
absolute barrage of updates today
rich grove
the updaterrrrrrrrr
finite patrol
Silver is okay but drops off like a rock past laning where the cheap ass flat h...
WHAT
silver lategame if shes going is ridic
mossy lance
yeah silver doesn't feel like a good steal really
finite patrol
omg
rich grove
not Silver as a character
mossy lance
unless you, like an insane person, make a silver build for sinclair
rich grove
lmfaooooo
vast sandal
everyone is crazy if they're built as hell and dealing wack ass damage
finite patrol
bury me without the coffin I dont deserve any wood
rich grove
no it turns out the Lycan lategame is good yes
im not sure if its still bugged wrt wolf abilities upgrading also
Sinclair as the Rubick function is just so fuckin janky lol
autumn field
i met a silver main whose name was puppygirl hypno victim and i find it incredibly funny how they didnt get the joke about being trans
frail jasper
at least it's not stealing basic abilities too 😨
rich grove
this just seems like you got baited into self reporting
"no I don't understand what you mean. can you explain what this 'omega' thing you keep calling me is all about?"
autumn field
lmao no they were just dense as hell
warped ridge
i met a silver main whose name was puppygirl hypno victim and i find it incredib...
Joke?
rich grove
🤨
mossy lance
i met a silver main whose name was puppygirl hypno victim and i find it incredib...
cultural appropriation
stable forum
Silver is okay but drops off like a rock past laning where the cheap ass flat h...
?????
oh that makes sense.
yeah Sinclair doesn't really get much use out of Silver's ult because Sinclair doesn't buy the items Silver buys which makes her ult good.
mossy lance
gun sinclair hits the field
rich grove
yeah it's scary base damage at level 6 and then past that zero weapon investment + L + ratio + sinclair is significantly less thick than silver baseline
mossy lance
everyone weeps
warped ridge
Oh its a kink thing
rich grove
so the health buff and the increasingly nerfed wolf resists mean less and less
rich grove
you do buy some of the stuff like glorp stone and sup stam to up your general mobility but its uhhh a little sketch
stable forum
which combined with more controlled transformation could be workable??
rich grove
Sinclair can def buy Headshot, in theory there's a Warden-esque Spellslinger pivot with 1 having such a stupid low cd
2 swap might also count as a spellslinger proc not sure
autumn field
How does Sinclair homing work?
rich grove
what I want to see is whether wolf form m1 causes assistant to go fucking apeshit also
that might be kind of genius
mossy lance
okay that would be funny though
rich grove
steal wolf form, drop assistant and then ult
mossy lance
infinite firerate
finite grotto
oh Tresh I kinda wanted to ask. How do you play Warden? are you just a brick wall that shoots the gun?
well "just"
rich grove
uhhh
yeah kinda
not gonna lie I just don't think about things that much playing Warden
finite grotto
hmhm
rich grove
he doesnt exactly have super micro intensive combo gameplay or anything, you just shoot people with a very good statted gun and abuse flask's 5s cd
finite grotto
honestly that already helps a ton tho. I was def overthinking it when playing him
rich grove
farm up in a sidelane, play a bit cautiously since your only "escape" is 2
mossy lance
honestly that already helps a ton tho. I was def overthinking it when playing hi...
tbh that is basically how i felt trying him too
his kit is real simply on paper but when playing i convinced myself that i wasn't doing anything right somehow
rich grove
really the only difficult thing is dealing with his gun's projectiles
mossy lance
but no it really is M1 and 1 to an extent
rich grove
which can absolutely be a hurdle
even worse if you do what I do and buy weighted shots
mossy lance
that'd do it huh
rich grove
ADDRESS ME provides a number of exceptionally useful stats to the character, primarily debuff reduction on a character who folds like an omelette to any kind of catch or cc
finite grotto
hmhm
after playing yamato a bunch of games in a row I think just running and shooting will be a nice break
rich grove
but the slower bullets, especially if you sell HVR to buy it is
something
you kind of drop your effective range to 20m
on the plus side, you punch holes in people
finite grotto
nodnod
rich grove
standard m1 methodology of slidemaxxing applies here also
you have a boof fleetfoot on your 2
when you buy enduring speed/fleetfoot it's really straightforward to weave a good amount of sliding while you're chasing targets
and because each shot does two hundred, even microslides that give you back one or two bullets can be +a significant chunk of damage that most heroes benefit relatively little from
merry verge
Fire rate reduction seems to hurt him a lot
rich grove
it does up til he gets spellslinger
ymmv on whether you go mercurial magnum first or you save for spellslinger
but spellslinger was built for this hero
finite grotto
I def need to learn to slideshoot more so this iwll be good
surge of power on the 1 also seems nice
more pewpew
rich grove
surge of power on the 1 also seems nice
yeah, build surge of power from the extra spirit you buy in lane. crazy good tempo item, nice chunk of damage on an ability you're also loading with qsr bonus damage, gives bonus movespeed and fleetfoot passive both of which are coked out on this hero
finite grotto
hmhm
rich grove
surge is just pretty generically goated
finite grotto
ye if I have money i love getting it on yamato too
reverb and surge on powerslash 😌
for lane how do you rate high velocity bullets?
rich grove
good, you don't want to be stuck under your tower so in the ideal case creeps will be distant enough your reduced bullet velocity will be a serious issue for cs
between low fire rate and low velocity it can be very frustrating
finite grotto
hmhm
rich grove
monster rounds/hvr makes it much more tolerable
finite grotto
hm his fire rate might be to low for Escalating resilience until way later
i just gotta try shit out
rich grove
imo if you have trouble with m1s just buy the metal skin
between 2 and metal skin you can just arbitrarily spawn in +800 HP against m1s
insanely aggravating
finite grotto
hmhm
astral lava
neeeeed to stop partying with a particular friend. Elo difference is too great and I cannot accomplish anything vs people that much better
rich grove
I bought it while having weighted rounds and the colossal movespeed was still worth it just to utterly dumpster half their team
finite grotto
I think i buy metal skin just way to little I usually go for bullet resilence first if i need br
rich grove
it's a reaaaally good item
finite patrol
metal skin is so good compared to bullet res rn
astral lava
classic social contract problems of "be the jerk" vs "dont plat"
finite patrol
honestly bullet res is kind of unbuyable
finite grotto
ah okok.
astral lava
yeah metal skin has been better than bullet res for a loooong time
rich grove
at 3.2k you would rather buy escalating resilience as an m1 because it gives you offensive power, you would rather buy metal skin on casters because they are all going to get transgender cd, and then eventually at 6.4k you always just junk it for plated
finite grotto
hmhm
I will def exchange bullet res for metal skin then for yamato
I also gotta try return fire more
rich grove
return fire kinda also fell out of favor because of metal skin, but on tanks it's really, really funny
the carry killing themselves on blademail will never get old
nice haze ult. in response:
finite grotto
spirit res in comparison tho is still super fine then?
rich grove
yeh
rich grove
oh yeah, another useful thing: warden's bullets have enough falloff range natively that toxic bullets builds up oddly fast at distances it maybe shouldnt
merry verge
I wonder when his ult will stop being an ominous black triangle
rich grove
it always feels a little weird plunking at mcginnis from way far and then still hearing the Moist sound of the toxic bullets proc
rich grove
ALCHEMICAL FLASK
frail jasper
I watched a video where the guy & friends called it "beers" and "throwing beers" and I can't help but think in those terms now
rich grove
yeah you basically have to "hide" it if you don't want to fold immediately
do it e.g. off a zipline, on a rooftop, from a jump pad
at the very least try doing it around a corner or in a juke closet, and ideally do it while 2 is off cd so you can int at people
stable forum
oh Tresh I kinda wanted to ask. How do you play Warden? are you just a brick wal...
not thresh but I buy Knockdown first 3200 every game
rich grove
it is an exceptionally strong teamfight ult, especially if you have a tendency to overheat like I do, and it means you generally don't have to buy any kind of lifesteal
stable forum
knockdown -> binding word combo is very real and will hurt people.
quaint kernel
Hey Yall, how do you farm with Celest
Celeste*
I have no clue how that works currently, she moves but that's all she has for me right now (completely my fault btw)
rich grove
imo I also just don't reaaally like lifesteal that much with how much anti heal flies around but that is extremely my personal preference
do not take it as gospel in any way
lavish grove
Hey Yall, how do you farm with Celest
Your 1 and 3 are both solid AOEs
Just use them to kill minions and jungle creeps
Your better movement also means you can clear the jungle faster
astral lava
also your attacks can hit two guys if you line them up
finite grotto
Hm ye I am changing the world
that ult voiceline is sooooooooo good
i completely forgot getting spellslinger and merc
autumn field
Graves nerf hit her pretty hard
median lantern
How is controller support in deadlock?
mild flume
I would not recommend it
signal marsh
How is controller support in deadlock?
I tried it at first and it was truly miserable
median lantern
Ok good to know
ivory reef
I play MnK but my partner usually prefers controllers
it's a shooter with no aim assist system
that should immediately give you an idea of how awful it is
apex, destiny, etc. - all those games use aim assist because controllers simply can't aim
it just is what it is
median lantern
Gotcha, so use mnk unless you’re some kind of gyro aim savant
upbeat perch
i do wonder if gyro aim helps controller shooters
signal marsh
Even beyond that, the menus are awful on controller
upbeat perch
lol jinx on gyro aim
signal marsh
Trying to navigate the shop alone sucks
median lantern
i do wonder if gyro aim helps controller shooters
It can but it’s a weird skill to develop
ivory reef
yeah, and frankly gyro aim savants don't exist in the sense of even approaching casual mnk skill
like the best gyro users are there near the worst mnk users kinda
median lantern
I think they’re better than the worst but I get your meaning
Mouse is just a higher precision input device
ivory reef
yeah
it simply is. and an accessible one too
you should just use a mouse
like. don't use a controller for dota either
signal marsh
"accessible" here is a very loose concept, I think
upbeat perch
accessible in device availability i presume
ivory reef
sure, I mean accessible in the sense that this isn't a high barrier to entry piece of gear that can generate improved precision with a lot of practice
like this isn't a leverless controller in a fighting game
mnk is just a thing you probably have and can use easily
signal marsh
Right, because I got rather instant confused since I usually see around disability access, and MnK is pretty infamously hard for disabled users
ivory reef
yeah sorry, don't have the best word for what i'm pointing at
like, uh. I think a trackball or something would also be alright for deadlock
but people don't have those
median lantern
God trackballs suck for aiming ime
signal marsh
I was about to bring up trackballs, yeah. I don't use one myself, since I mostly play controller games
median lantern
It’s not impossible but it’s way worse imo
signal marsh
Since it's very hard to use MnK comfortably from bed
Assuming your partner is using their controller for comfort or preference, they should use MnK. If they are doing it due to a wrist injury or something, then Deadlock as a whole becomes much harder
ivory reef
yeah that's true
do not hurt yourself.
you should not be in pain playing your game of choice
autumn field
I could’ve sworn apex meta used to be controller
ivory reef
I could’ve sworn apex meta used to be controller
brutally overtuned aim assist
signal marsh
Yeah, there was a period - What Winged said
ivory reef
pro players swapped to controller for auto aim headshots
upbeat perch
apex has very effective? aggressive? aim assist, to the point mnk players considered and did transition to controller
autumn field
That is so stupid ngl
ivory reef
yeah.
autumn field
Imagine if idfk, Vindicta had that
ivory reef
here's a good 10 second video
this is just a thing they give you as a controller player in games like destiny etc
any shooter game built for controllers these days has aim assist
signal marsh
It also helps that analogue sticks are much better for movement than wasd. So if the aim is being covered by the auto aim, and the games doesn't require an excessive number of keybinds, then controller's superior movement abilities shine forth
ivory reef
yeah most people I know will play games like soulsborne games on controller
even on pc
or platformers etc
but don't play an rts or a shooter on controller
you're just gonna have a bad time
autumn field
Eventually we’ll arrive at joystick mouse meta
upbeat perch
woolie madden has entered the chat
autumn field
Half a controller and a mouse
terse aspen
It's interesting how many familiar faces from the FGC channel are in here
signal marsh
I find any game where movement is the focus, controllers are the better pick. The ideal is some kind of analogue stick or gyroscopic sensor imbedded around a keyboard layout with a mouth in the other hand
ivory reef
I'm very open with all my friends that getting into deadlock is my master plan to get them into playing strive with me in a way they'll actually like
upbeat perch
deadlock offers a good amount of things FGs offer
ivory reef
gone from millia vs nagoriyuki with @mild flume to mina and yamato laning together
signal marsh
But that would be an insane niche set up that no game would account for
autumn field
I’d play strive if I didn’t hate inputs
I can’t handle doing half-moons
Even a 236 is annoying
signal marsh
I think if you think something is neat, you practice. If you don't, you don't. It's fine to prefer other things
granite heath
yeah most people I know will play games like soulsborne games on controller
happy to be one of them who makes this "most"
signal marsh
I mean, the number of people I know who play soulsborne games and monster hunter and such without a controller is like.. one? I think I know one person who doesn't
granite heath
I find any game where movement is the focus, controllers are the better pick. Th...
ignoring the typo for a second, does a setup exist for this? and does it let the movement hand reach for other buttons as easily?
signal marsh
ignoring the typo for a second, does a setup exist for this? and does it let the...
They play gun in monster hunter
The answer is gun
I'm also pretty sure they have one of those mmo mice with loads of buttons
vast sandal
I need to learn how to Drifter because jumping in and dunking all over someone with him and using Ambush to Drifter Jumpscare is fun
but once laning phase is over I get my ass thrashed
do I just need to be sniffing out the soft target and tearing them up
rich grove
p much
although after you get lifestrike you can just kinda brawl
he has surprisingly good bulk with that item and you know he's mr. run ya down
vast sandal
fuck me why did I not think to buy Lifestrike
vast sandal
lemme go noodle with my build lmao
rich grove
unbelievably powerful item
vast sandal
I've been running fucking
rich grove
get it in lane
vast sandal
Burst Fire
rich grove
make your life good
finite grotto
spirit snatch is also kinda fire on him early
and with brs that is your 4.8 spirit done if wanted
vast sandal
melee lifesteal/x stam on Drifter is fucked already
rich grove
spirit snatch toxic bullets kinda 
merry verge
bleedstacking on Drifter is kind of fun
rich grove
crushing fists is probably aight
merry verge
i'm up and down on Crushing, but the ammo return is kind of fire
vast sandal
feels like you do a lot of going apeshit shooting bullets at people with Drifter
rich grove
you get the 5ap "rend is heavy melee" upgrade right
thats the upgrade?
i havent played him in a hot second
merry verge
5AP is bullet lifesteal debuff
vast sandal
nah it's bullet steal
merry verge
Drifter is stuck in light melee town and that's probably alright with how damn big it gets
finite grotto
hm I think tho you prob want cripling headshot and or lucky shot before going for crushing for your orange 6,4
rich grove
I like it less on characters that can't make their stuff count as heavy melee but in theory if you're like that you could try to play billy lite
vast sandal
Siphon Bullets...
rich grove
ofc you have the perfect gap close for light spammage
rich grove
Siphon Bullets...
Vampiric Burst is the way
it has vampire in the name
but also people fucking Explode
vast sandal
true
rich grove
you can insta reverse so many lost fights
finite grotto
Point blank is mega nice on drifter
merry verge
the world cries when Drifter gets attack speed, man melts ya
vast sandal
Spellslinger feels weird
merry verge
kind of.. not enough spells for spellslinger but 6s cooldown on rend and all
merry verge
if you go double teleport, too
vast sandal
when you have the boost
rich grove
only problem is Warden doesn't have 25f recovery on flask
rend takes up way more time
and that's "no shooty shoot time" also
actually
here's my saucy take
vast sandal
yeahhh I think spellslinging might be mid
rich grove
phantom strike.
vast sandal
yo REAL
finite grotto
hmm looking at some builds of some players for drifter and that are linked on deathys thingie. duration extender for ult is really funny
vast sandal
what about Silencer...
finite grotto
cursed relic is hateful
rich grove
silencer generically good against casters but I like it somewhat less on drifter because of his limited range
merry verge
Phantom Strike into instant Tracker's Mark for when they use their mobility to get away
rich grove
Phantom Strike into instant Tracker's Mark for when they use their mobility to g...
this is the vision
rich grove
he has a really annoying time against fliers or any similar zoners
just say no
get down mr. president and stay there
you cross huge distances, you can also weave in a light fully unreactably
finite grotto
wow ye
rich grove
they would have to guess parry because you can't really react to an instant teleport with non-zero ping
rich grove
oh hm
merry verge
( it's not )
vast sandal
hmm
finite grotto
i guess there is the audio cue
rich grove
less good but still probably doable against pubs
finite grotto
:^)
merry verge
if they start to instant parry just rend em
vast sandal
X Stam big for Drifter but do I want to take Kinetic Dash and get the bullet investment, or do I want to buy something else and upgrade to Stamina Mastery
vast sandal
that doesn't help me at all lmao
finite grotto
warp stone, kinetic dash or stam mastery are all just really good on him i think
rich grove
i think but am not certain you can glorp mid rend
vast sandal
you cannot
wait no
you can it's just weird
you can be rending while glorpstone is glorping you
finite grotto
wait are you rending then glorping or glorping and then rending. I can only do tha latter
vestal hearth
I saw a video that called Graves rushdown.
vast sandal
you do glorp then piano Rend
frail jasper
X Stam big for Drifter but do I want to take Kinetic Dash and get the bullet inv...
kinetic dash imo. superior stamina is always great but drifter especially likes the extra ammo and fire rate
finite grotto
ok ye doing the same then
vast sandal
some actual Yuzuriha tech on this guy
rich grove
nvm then im misinforming
finite grotto
on a slight sidenote. I am finding my fucking groove with Yamato 😌
autumn field
I want to play Bebop more
rich grove
some actual Yuzuriha tech on this guy
alcoholic hag drifter....
autumn field
1500 damage every 2 seconds my beloathed
finite grotto
some actual Yuzuriha tech on this guy
now you gotta learn all the crossmap teleport lineups
vast sandal
the huh
finite grotto
you can cross really large parts of the map shooting your 2 at jungle camps
ok found a vid!
vast sandal
this is devious
finite grotto
LMAO
rich grove
"why the fuck does the rejuv crystal have a drifter- WHAT THE FUCK"
they still lost but like
swaggy
still swan
first MVP baby lets go
rich grove
[pointed silence]
seveeeeeen
rich grove
the electrocuterrrrr
finite grotto
sometimes when you powerslash as yamato you keep the red flames around you permantly for the rest of the game
it does nothing but you do look sick as fuck
rich grove
"it's called aura bruh"
still swan
Great match as well
still swan
I do feel bad for the Ivy who had 24 deaths and no kills though
rich grove
the coughing baby
still swan
It was an hour long match
finite grotto
typeshit
median lantern
Assuming your partner is using their controller for comfort or preference, they ...
Just preference and experience, I’ll see if I can convince her to try it with mnk thanks
finite grotto
also had one of those today!
somber creek
rich grove
wish silver would do that to me
bleak thicket
Just preference and experience, I’ll see if I can convince her to try it with mn...
Could look into gyro aiming if mnk turns out to not be an option in the end?
autumn field
wish silver would do that to me
Most normal silver enjoyer
late hare
wish silver would do that to me
🙏 🙏 🙏
rich grove
oh honda!
yeah I stole their blood tribute tech
my name on the official dl server was blood tribute enjoyer for a while lol
merry verge
hazes' new guns still look a bit silly imo
maybe just partly compared to the wild polish on new chars
warped ridge
knowing that slowing hex cancels apollo's 3 is probably the most important bit of item-ability knowledge I have
vast sandal
huh, that's a movement ability
warped ridge
yeah
they had mina, lash, and apollo
so with those 3 I was like "welll...Idk if slowing hex stops lash but if I build silencer reaaaallly late and walk up behind him he prob can't ult unless he sells and buys something to cleanse
which he didn't
like the worst thing for an apollo on the enemy team
is when they also have a mina
cause then I'm like "o shit I need to buy slowing hex"
but I know also it's like
he probably could riposte it if he was him
but then I just gotta out play the riposte
I def like seeing him though
he's a funny little guy
vast sandal
Apollo definitely goes on the Spirit Brawler pile of guys who melee you, cast short-range spells, and are kinda tough to kill
merry verge
I'm having a hell of a time trying to figure out where his ult is hitting
vivid nimbus
Everywhere
merry verge
It's like a Big Tube, yeah?
vivid nimbus
Yeah it's a big tube and he can aim it after the channel starts
merry verge
Frighten..
warped ridge
yeah I buy curse to stop him
Idk if it's overkill
but it def seems worth if an apollo is popping off
agile rune
Thinking of playing with a bit more direction, who are the good heroes atm?
gray otter
game's pretty well-balanced
uhhh off the top of my head apollo and celeste currently feel very strong
warped ridge
based on the like stream thingy with eternus players or raw winrates?
agile rune
I’ve mostly been playing Billy and Drifter
warped ridge
honestly at lower mmrs you can absolutely ruin enemy teams or carry your own team as doorman
agile rune
Ty ty
lavish grove
Here’s the current pick and ban priority from a few days ago
The only balance patch affected the new characters
So you only need to worry about those being different
Damn I was very wrong about pocket
vast sandal
pocket's just hard
merry verge
I'm surprised at Bop, I thought folks said he fell off at higher ranks :|a
well perfectly coordinated hooks are different i guess
warped ridge
if you believe in ranks right now, I have a 100% win rate across 6 games as silver at oracle V
lavish grove
I'm surprised at Bop, I thought folks said he fell off at higher ranks :|a
I think it’s less Bebop falls off and more pure bombs do
Because like, Bebop has other tools
gray otter
bebop has a hook i think hes never gonna truly be bad
lavish grove
It’s just 99% of low rank bebop’s just do a dedicated Bomb build, which is easily countered at higher rank
lavish grove
bebop has a hook i think hes never gonna truly be bad
Yah basically
So long as he’s the only character with a hook the rest of his kit could be nothing
And he’d still have a strong niche in pro play
gray otter
paradox sorta has a hook!
lavish grove
Yah but often it involves dying
gray otter
wow would ya look at that
lavish grove
It’s a definite probably rn
warped ridge
like he's probably on the weaker end of the newer heroes IMO
merry verge
it's funny that you can like, perfectly counterspell his 3 unless he wants to lose huge chunks of damage
warped ridge
but also celeste just got nerfed
merry verge
but also hardtodo
lavish grove
Honestly I think Apollo’s spells are fine
gray otter
celeste's probably still good
warped ridge
yeah like to me
lavish grove
Just, his gun is so bad and that holds him back a lot
warped ridge
Apollo feels like Fiora but a worse counter with a better ult
merry verge
his gun feels so weird
lavish grove
Since when your stuff is on cooldown you can just be bullied really hard in lane
rich grove
realising the apollo rmb rebind for 3 is just the finals again
warped ridge
I'm really impressed with Apollo mechanically
lavish grove
And his cools downs are pretty long too
warped ridge
the finals has melee?
gray otter
realising the apollo rmb rebind for 3 is just the finals again
speak not of the Wretched Slop (games that use genAI)...
lavish grove
realising the apollo rmb rebind for 3 is just the finals again
Oh yah I could not play Apollo if I didn’t have an extra mouse button for his 3
Flat out I can’t do it consistently with 3
warped ridge
I play with regular keybinds minus crouch on mouse
lavish grove
It’s such an awkward finger movement otherwise