I've hit airdash parry in a real game
#Deadlock
stable forum
ivory reef
I can't help but feel like that's a statement only a non fighting game player would say
stable forum
but I haven't hit it on reaction, and I've not hit it consistently.
ivory reef
dauntless, you put it on top of your mental stack
you see a guy dash up in laning stage to your creep with 1 hit point
what's he gonna do
stable forum
I've only hit it on prediction >.>
stable forum
hear the sound behind you to your right, react immediately.
ivory reef
yeah
stable forum
not 'oh I see it coming, I know it's here'
magic summit
How do you normally parry
stable forum
on the ground
ivory reef
I parried like 5 times in laning yesterday and won the game off of it
it was wild they kept trying me
stable forum
though I'm doing airdash parry normally now.
I generally don't reaction airdash parry directly into someone to punish them for even thinking about heavy melee in my vicinity though
ivory reef
dauntless, like, I'm not gonna airdash parry while cooking biryani like if i get into a deadlock stack i load a set of expectations and reflexes into my brain I dunno what to say
median lantern
What is airdash parry i am very new to deadlock?
ivory reef
I'm not sure what this 'full reaction' thing even means
magic summit
I play pocket I spend half my game in the air, you gotta learn how to move aren't parrying while doing that
warped ridge
you see a guy dash up in laning stage to your creep with 1 hit point
Queue me being a fool trying to parry abrhams shoulder check.
But then me being some sort of creature by dodging a Billy heavy melee with Drifter's 2 after baiting him around a corner
quaint kernel
I parried like 5 times in laning yesterday and won the game off of it
Another thing that I think is cool is that you can win games off of improving small skills too and if that's execution that's fun.
Like idk
ivory reef
it's like 3 buttons it's easier than dash jumping
median lantern
Oh to like get in front of something and block it?
ivory reef
yeah
quaint kernel
Taking away fun is not fun to me
quaint kernel
It's like IAD in strive
rich grove
quaint kernel
Baiken can do it
ivory reef
I genuinely took more time picking up the dash jump timing
rich grove
c.f.
ivory reef
and yeah I am a strive player
stable forum
I'm not sure what this 'full reaction' thing even means
I just mean like, entirely in reaction. idk how else to put it.
ivory reef
we've been doing instant air dashes for years
stable forum
not as a read, not with preparation time
ivory reef
dauntless this is like, this is a fighting game thing
it's so weird that you're just not believing me
we even have a name for it
quaint kernel
I just mean like, entirely in reaction. idk how else to put it.
I react to DI in SF all the time too
stable forum
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stable forum
dauntless, like, I'm not gonna airdash parry while cooking biryani like if i get...
I'm aware fighting games exist! I more mean like, this i guess idk.
warped ridge
It's a practice thing.
Like a vindicta with her ult who is a counter strike or siege player should be able to kill you from across the map if you're low.
It's just a bo--.....
Does....does Vindicta ult get Headshot bonus too? 
ivory reef
dauntless, that was me pointing out that like. in literally every game context you go in and you load some reflexes
bleak thicket
youll really need to clarify what do you mean by "on reaction"
like
how short of a timeframe do you want?
rich grove
if I've done it successfully it can't be so bad :v)
stable forum
youll really need to clarify what do you mean by "on reaction"
like
how short o...
'hear the noise, do it in response to the noise in the proper direction which results in a guaranteed parry even if they're faking it out'
ivory reef
yeah the hitbox is huge
bleak thicket
yeah thats super doable
ivory reef
you can miss and still get it by accident
quaint kernel
If they fake it out that's a great play on their part too
stable forum
the sorta stuff which obliterates anyone from holding q
ivory reef
if you find jumping hard, try grounded dash cancel parry
that's dash -> tap crouch -> parry
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.>
magic summit
Like a very common thing is your friend gets parried in lane, and you see them about to get heavy meleed, and you jump parry in front of them
ivory reef
again, 3 buttons
warped ridge
'hear the noise, do it in response to the noise in the proper direction which re...
Ye it's doable
Don't even need to play actual fighting games. Play For Honor enough and you can do it
ivory reef
Like a very common thing is your friend gets parried in lane, and you see them a...
yeah this
stable forum
If they fake it out that's a great play on their part too
if you do it right, they don't get to fake it out.
idk
ivory reef
no? they do?
like they can flick their direction at the last moment
that's how you fake a heavy melee
stable forum
no, they don't, because if you do it right your hitbox is inside their hitbox!
merry verge
I'm torn because I find Riven's whole deal kind of pointless but IAD parry is totally a thing
ivory reef
they start the heavy melee, you react, they flick away
finite patrol
this is so semantic
warped ridge
They just have to know how to flick.
And tbh I know some people can't flick but it's another skill.
vivid nimbus
I think Dauntless is talking about if you IAD parry into them they can't flick because you're too close at any aim angle
stable forum
yes
ivory reef
??? why would you even want to do that?
quaint kernel
Tho combos are reactions are not the same skill but it's still like, execution is fun
stable forum
not just iad parry, IAD parry into the opponent
stable forum
??? why would you even want to do that?
because it guarantees a successful parry
vivid nimbus
??? why would you even want to do that?
Because it stuns them and you get to blow them up?
median lantern
Wait am I getting pranked by AI search? Is the deadlock parry window really .75 seconds long?
finite patrol
also because when you do it everyone shouts out YOOOOOO
ivory reef
are we talking about laning?
rich grove
Wait am I getting pranked by AI search? Is the deadlock parry window really .75 ...
it's egregarious
median lantern
Iāll bear that in mind
stable forum
'hear sound -> execute thing' was the original context
it's sort of gotten out of hand now >.>
ivory reef
... yeah. which you can do
quaint kernel
The convo started cause someone was saying that Riven is jank because of her combos, and I said that Combos are really fun and can be included
ivory reef
without dashing into somebody's hitbox
rich grove
i do it blind and around corners
median lantern
This originally came up in the context of execution barriers comparable to LoL I think
quaint kernel
And that devolved into an execution thing
median lantern
So itās been in the abstract
stable forum
I was mostly just... curious if people were successfully doing the thing I have down as 'execution heavy with deadlocks mental stack' and the answer is sort of
the answer is 'yes, but without the directional component' I think? idk.
merry verge
I'm real good at dashing to the slight wrong angle and accomplishing nothing
ivory reef
no, we dash into the creep
merry verge
But I do try for it
ivory reef
or dash into our friend who's gonna get heavy melee-ed
stable forum
no, we dash into the creep
that's sensible.
ivory reef
that's the usual use case
like as a rule they're not gonna walk up to me and heavy melee... me?
that's just kinda dumb?
stable forum
some people do!
ivory reef
they're gonna first abrams wall slam me or go for a creep
okay, well, at my mmr they don't
stable forum
but yes, it is kinda dumb.
ivory reef
and if someone abrams wall slams your friend
you can airdash into both of them and parry
and yeah
i've done that
vast sandal
What can you parry
ivory reef
any heavy melee
gray otter
ok im making an OC and this is what i have for the first ability. does it make sense, and is it distinct enough from celeste's 2
upbeat perch
melees by default
merry verge
and Puddle Punch
ivory reef
abrams will heavy melee after a wall slam every time
bleak thicket
including ability heavy melees
vast sandal
Ahh
finite patrol
it's egregarious
its mostly been destroyed by the work of Harrison armory?
merry verge
I thought you can't parry Bashdown
ivory reef
the only ability you can parry is puddle punch
stable forum
including ability heavy melees
nooo
whether or not something is parriable is handled on an individual case basis.
granite heath
melee attacks in general? but not melee spells (except puddle)
warped ridge
There's a like....lot of people that do.
I get them in my matches.
But I admit MMR ranks are weird, cause I'm Oracle I and people were trying to mash parry out of my Silver 2 when I'm by myself.
And I really don't believe I'm even above Seeker
stable forum
yeah, it's just melee & puddle i think
rich grove
abrams will heavy melee after a wall slam every time
*not until he gets the stun time AP upgrade on it because that makes the stun long enough you can't be parried by your victim, something irrelevant out of laning but extremely relevant in laning
vast sandal
the only ability you can parry is puddle punch
You can parry those???
warped ridge
the only ability you can parry is puddle punch
I made a Viscous rage quit the other day cause I countered the puddle punch with Silver 2, it is very silly
rich grove
yeah
ivory reef
You can parry those???
it's literally only puddle punch
it's essentially a remote heavy melee using his hand
vast sandal
Wack, does it stun him too
rich grove
it was patched in a long while ago and now exists as The exception
ivory reef
it's very interesting in that way
rich grove
no stun
ivory reef
no, it doesn't. but good question
rich grove
but it does inflict rebuttal damage
ivory reef
yeah
stable forum
that's very funny
rich grove
which is excellent tech if you're laning against him and Like That
stable forum
i hope someone has killed viscous with that.
finite patrol
I have haha
rich grove
melee goopert is current tech now also so there's that
stable forum
amazing
finite patrol
its hilarious
vast sandal
Okay so buy rebuttal against Viscous is what Iām hearing
rich grove
are you Like That
granite heath
does it give you the Rebuttal heal too?
rich grove
believe so
merry verge
Puddle Punch is reactable because they decided it should be the loudest noise in the world
rich grove
I think it just generically Procs Rebuttal
upbeat perch
i have to rein in my impulse to reference sex with a man when thresh asked about "like that"
vast sandal
Actually I can react to that, I can still pick up counterhit 2LP combos on Ed
stable forum
are you Like That
no i unfortunately have never parried puddle punch in my life
rich grove
so the full package including the damage amp for you afterwards(?)
stable forum
i have tried many times
merry verge
going for it and they miss the damn punch
stable forum
going for it and they miss the damn punch
truee
rich grove
yesterday night with alt and gran I was up against visc and it turns out 100ms lag is juuuust enough to totally brick my ability to do so
vast sandal
RIGHT THERE
rich grove
I was visibly blue before being launched through the air multiple times
vast sandal
ONE TWO THREE
ivory reef
my alt girlfriend
finite patrol
nowadays whenever I parry puddle punch viscous fucking misses me or i was parrying based on sound and they hit my homie. its really piss me off
merry verge
some of my favorite interactions ingame are 'everyone misses their ability and just kind of back off firing guns'
warped ridge
Rip, I actually forgot people havent played a fighting game like on 200+ ping before
merry verge
good job nobody
rich grove
look we're not tight enough terms for me to raw invoke her first name
warped ridge
That's gotta be rough in deadlock if you're going for parries and haven't
rich grove
my ass is not getting into a Social Bartimaeus situation
stable forum
Iāll show you my anti-airs
Heavy Melee should knock down airborn targets
median lantern
Rip, I actually forgot people havent played a fighting game like on 200+ ping be...
Scariest fighting game experience of my life was fighting Korean Chipp across the pacific
stable forum
if they're high enough it should apply a full Knockdown-style stun equivalent
finite patrol
some of my favorite interactions ingame are 'everyone misses their ability and j...
warmup is important
median lantern
380 milliseconds of ocean
upbeat perch
i mean i clutch karma ult E when playing on chinese LoL server before, at around 190ms Ping
warped ridge
if they're high enough it should apply a full Knockdown-style stun equivalent
I would love that but Idk if it's healthy lol
rich grove
the airborne heavy melee legitimately happened on DFN
bleak thicket
380 milliseconds of ocean
fighting chipp with that microwave install
rich grove
last night
vast sandal
Heavy melee should set up into a 12 hit juggle that ends in CA
stable forum
hitting airborn people with heavy melee hard
stable forum
the airborne heavy melee legitimately happened on DFN
waoo
warped ridge
Wait do people not do that already?
rich grove
billy just dropped down and heavy meleed a warden player running away
and then just backed off
warped ridge
I just do it as Drifter when I have lifestrike
ivory reef
Real talk I'm so so happy deadlock has a melee rps system it truly elevates the game for me in a way no other hero shooter can compare
Like damn
I'm never going back
median lantern
fighting chipp with that microwave install
I legit hopped off and checked the ping on wolfram alpha I was gobsmacked
ivory reef
It's so fucking good actually
rich grove
imagine getting clubbed over the skull with a baseball bat and having the "mustve been the wind" reaction I nearly cried laughing
stable forum
it's a funny system even if i think it's optimal to just not melee
upbeat perch
that's the biggest motivator for me to keep tabs on deadlock
rich grove
I legit hopped off and checked the ping on wolfram alpha I was gobsmacked
dracula flow
bleak thicket
ping so high i have to triangulate their position
ivory reef
Yeah let's do some for honor in the middle of doing parkour in the middle of doing dota in the middle of doing quake
upbeat perch
that's the biggest motivator for me to keep tabs on deadlock
ok not the biggest, the biggest was rebuttal
vast sandal
Ping so high it ruptures eardrums, jit
rich grove
ok not the biggest, the biggest was rebuttal
YANAGI
autumn field
im going to try a bot match with trophy hunter seven
rich grove
there needs to be a mod where when you land a parry
upbeat perch
i doubt deadlock will have a kishin drive moves equivalent
rich grove
it immediately cues up AAAAALRIGHTY THEN CHATROOM
autumn field
i think the BIG BALLS SEVEN build will be fun
warped ridge
I want more shooter stuff
vast sandal
i think the `BIG BALLS SEVEN` build will be fun
Pick up Mystic Slow and Ballistic Enchant
warped ridge
I want insane recoil
rich grove
Real talk I'm so so happy deadlock has a melee rps system it truly elevates the ...
reversing a last hit scenario cause they go for light melee and you read them feels like ripping someone's soul out of their spine
vivid nimbus
My biggest issue with deadlock melee is that the window to light melee actually feels so tight to me
rich grove
you THOUGHT
vast sandal
i doubt deadlock will have a kishin drive moves equivalent
Youāre saying this like Yanagi isnt universal in Deadlock
Itās only a matter of time til we get a Time Killer in this game
vivid nimbus
Whenever I get heavy by mistake and get parried I feel like a dang fool
upbeat perch
hey whose M1 is closest to a semiauto rifle in deadlock right now?
vast sandal
Seven
rich grove
Seven or weirdly Silver
ivory reef
My biggest issue with deadlock melee is that the window to light melee actually ...
That's really surprising to me huh
upbeat perch
ok yeah silver makes sense
ivory reef
Good luck getting that timing down
upbeat perch
Wait in which way?
mostly in per-hit damage and fire rate
vivid nimbus
It might just be the side button I use is sticky, IDK
vast sandal
Semiauto as in burst fire or semiauto as in repeater
warped ridge
Silver then yeah
ivory reef
I don't know anyone else who's struggled with it but I can see it
vivid nimbus
Like I usually get light, but sometimes
ivory reef
What's your melee button?
stable forum
hey whose M1 is closest to a semiauto rifle in deadlock right now?
silver
merry verge
It might just be the side button I use is sticky, IDK
despite repeated cleanings my tab key is fiddly and using an ability when going to try to upgrade is aaaAAAA
ivory reef
Wait do you use f
vivid nimbus
M4 I think? It's a thumb button on my mouse
warped ridge
Semiauto as in burst fire or semiauto as in repeater
Burst is not semiauto wut
upbeat perch
Semiauto as in burst fire or semiauto as in repeater
i do love me some paradox burst fire but still my preference is with garand-style bam bam bam
ivory reef
Aha no yeah check the button
autumn field
Pick up Mystic Slow and Ballistic Enchant
i will
stable forum
(all guns in deadlock continuously fire if you hold down lmb)
silver's is slow and chunky though
vast sandal
i do love me some paradox burst fire but still my preference is with garand-styl...
Yeah, Silver or Doormanās rinkadink ass pistol
vivid nimbus
It might also just be a me issue with how I hold the mouse
autumn field
i cant stop hearing im lowkey evil whenever i pklay hidden king now
upbeat perch
man that key pistol took some getting used to
vivid nimbus
i do love me some paradox burst fire but still my preference is with garand-styl...
Honestly? I expected Vindicta's gun to be like this and then it's not
vast sandal
the key pistol goes CLONK itās wild
vast sandal
Headshotting with Doorman is like
upbeat perch
i am still not used to bullet drop at that rate on a pistol
vivid nimbus
I so wish Vindicta's gun was singlefire
I mean all the singlefire guns are actually just slow automatics, but yeah
vast sandal
I need some cursed bullets
gray otter
ok im making an OC and this is what i have for the first ability. does it make s...
is this too close to celeste's 2
rich grove
dicta is so funny cause her sniper rifle just has a mode switch for fuller auto
stable forum
It's a practice thing.
Like a vindicta with her ult who is a counter strike or ...
right, missed this but also yes, Vindicta's ult does 20% more damage on headshot
merry verge
this 1800s ghost tryin some newfound technology and liking it quite much
warped ridge
I just kinda assumed headshots largely don't matter outside of M1
stable forum
they implemented anti-quickscoping measures for vindicta
vast sandal
Reverb did I catch you bodyshotting with a sniper
median lantern
is this too close to celeste's 2
Probably not cause I think the iconic part of that is silence on break
stable forum
it iiiisss
gray otter
Probably not cause I think the iconic part of that is silence on break
makes sense
bleak thicket
oh fuck this
vivid nimbus
IT'S SO CRINGE
Return of TF2 Snoipa
stable forum
oh fuck this
oh that's awful
warped ridge
Reverb did I catch you bodyshotting with a sniper
Look it's because almost every shooterism is different in deadlock. I just have bad cognitive dissonance because it makes me assume it'll follow moba principals.
rich grove
oh fuck this
you just gotta spawn in a viscous and have him puddle punch
autumn field
oh fuck this
im maining this
rich grove
stable forum
oh! does Billy's Bashdown 3 break Borrowed Decree?
merry verge
oh fuck this
lmao yeah they definitely need to give like a roof pass, that's evil
vast sandal
oh fuck this
BRUH
rich grove
ward spot tombstone returns
bleak thicket
*lmao yeah they definitely need to give like a roof pass, that's evil*
no i hope this stays in
this is peak dota
bleak thicket
i have 0 idea how she got it there
warped ridge
oh fuck this
Did people not assume this?
ivory reef
Cliff tombstones
autumn field
im going to get the lash 2 item
ivory reef
That you can only reach with movement items
vivid nimbus
I think you can get up there from the midboss rope huts
vivid nimbus
It might take 2 stam though
warped ridge
Heck if you could body shove things you could do the same with doorman's doors
But afaik you can't
vivid nimbus
Also I need a better name than "midboss rope hut"
stable forum
oh! does Billy's Bashdown 3 break Borrowed Decree?
It does! new counterpick
Billy is in fact good at smashing tombstones
finite grotto
if going surge of power on bepop would yu imbue 1 or 2?
vivid nimbus
2, definitely
finite grotto
i gotta try that
warped ridge
Forgot to say
I havent played Holiday
She seems cool
I don't like her rope ability tho
I want more gun
I need to play Ven
....does Ven ult work on headshots?
Err
Does it get boosted on headshots?
finite grotto
dynamo and sinclair on the enemy team xd
dynamo ult into rabbit is ouch
and also a celeste
upbeat perch
bunnies aren't his ult but i assume they can?
merry verge
They cannot iirc
warm sonnet
Does it get boosted on headshots?
The weapon damage does afaik
merry verge
Would be so easy to trap people
upbeat perch
TIL
merry verge
they are pretty sizable bunnies to be fair
warped ridge
This entire time
median lantern
Looks like it does
warped ridge
I could have been properly shooting people in the face š
merry verge
I love Valve for including things like 5 bonus Vampire Damage
median lantern
I mean I am surprised the assumption was that headshots donāt do more damage
warped ridge
I mean I knew they did for the m1 but like
Abilities I was always like, "meh"
Like Silver wolfmode m1, does that do headshot damage?
median lantern
Isnāt it just weapon damage which does headshots?
Also funny take trying to look this up
finite patrol
incredible
quiet sapphire
Like Silver wolfmode m1, does that do headshot damage?
how do you headshot with an aoe ability
median lantern
Im a headshot monster I enjoy hitting headshots more than it detracts from others fun keep em in
warped ridge
how do you headshot with an aoe ability
Aim at their head idk
still swan
Carefully
merry verge
Give Yamato Rightclicks Headshot
finite patrol
cyan ditch marathon. play deadlock
warped ridge
Like uhh
merry verge
it would be good and fun for laning
granite heath
Further followup question: even if Werewolf Silver doesn't deal headshot damage, can it headshot?
I believe I've figured out that Paige, despite not dealing bonus headshot damage regularly, can proc headshot items, so there is a distinction (unlike Graves, who can't).
median lantern
cyan ditch marathon. play deadlock
No
I might play both
The game I am actually ditching is AC shadows since I need to remove its huge ass install footprint to fit deadlock
finite patrol
how many gigibi
median lantern
130
finite patrol
god
median lantern
In its defense it is an absolutely huge game
warped ridge
In its defense it is an absolutely huge game
Is it good? I might pick it up on sale
merry verge
with those gigabi you can put so many cats in your base
median lantern
I played probably 60% of the gameās content and there were like 1.5 provinces I never got to
warped ridge
Like this is me being lazy with headshots for example
median lantern
Is it good? I might pick it up on sale
Yeah itās solid
finite patrol
I know its a bit of a false equivalency but I played Animal Well for 8 hours and its 30mb
median lantern
Best AC game in a while
finite patrol
thats less than 4mb per hour
warped ridge
That is good go know
I will def pick it up on sale
Prob not soon cause uhh
Marathon
median lantern
Itās good but I do have my criticism of it
Biggest thing is the mountain of vendor trash rng loot you get
merry verge
the Nioh Problem..
warped ridge
Biggest thing is the mountain of vendor trash rng loot you get
Lemme guess, not even good loot goblin mechanics?
median lantern
No thereās fun stuff to loot
finite grotto
there are no items that give cast speed in deadlock atm right?
median lantern
Itās just that thereās cool stuff to get (gold rarity) and on the way to that you get like a dozen lower rarity trash items
warped ridge
Ahh
gray otter
deadlock lore knowers: who would be an appropriate character for my florist OC to owe a massive debt to and be involved in a money laundering operation as a result
merry verge
Wraith is kind of the Debts Gal
got into organized crime to appease her gambling addiction more than wanting to do crimes
bleak thicket
yeah anything mob related wraith is your gal
merry verge
also if want to see Midboss just fucking vanish
warped ridge
Celeste Urb run
finite patrol
I liked the story that mnk is fighting in the ritual cus they owe Wraith 50 bucks even though I dont believe thats true
merry verge
I liked the story that mnk is fighting in the ritual cus they owe Wraith 50 buck...
it's totally canon unless i have been truly fooled
finite patrol
source?
warped ridge
Oh sorry
merry verge
warped ridge
finite patrol
yeah that sounds like fanon but its very good fanon nonetheless
also abrams owes mnk 50 bucks
so by extension abrams is fighting cus they lost to krill at poker
merry verge
wonder how magic hit the economy
somber creek
Thats almost a thousand dollars
finite patrol
the games timeline as it relates to our world is not clear I dont know if we can make that leap
rich grove
I'd Do Alchemy Over A Band and other death grips song titles
finite patrol
I know Billy is a time traveler but he's from the 1970s and Yamato is from the 2070s
merry verge
Even talking about a thousand dollars is worth being like 'for real, we're summoning god right now' tbf
All these characters are so charming orz
finite patrol
deadlock is a blorbopilled scrunglomaxxing creachurcel
finite grotto
ok mystic reverb yamato is sooo sick
merry verge
getting a full HP bar fack from the /sheath my blade and then you explode Reverb hit is so potent
I cast Gravesn't
warped ridge
It is today
vast sandal
I know Billy is a time traveler but he's from the 1970s and Yamato is from the 2...
Billyās a time traveller?
warped ridge
I wonder how the votes are doing
vast sandal
Does anyone know when Apollo update happens time wise
quiet sapphire
in one hour
still swan
Could be wrong
astral lava
Apollo has been out for 5 months
mild flume
Really strong is fine, how do I fight x is fine, It's the venting with no goal esp about team and balance, and complaints about the game in general that are an issue
It's just as much about the attitude and direction as anything
somber creek
Guys Rat King is so fucking overpowered i swear to god
vestal hearth
vast sandal
I do kinda wonder what Iām supposed to do about Celeste
median lantern
Guys Rat King is so fucking overpowered i swear to god
https://tracklock.gg/players/103590781
55.6% winrate this is fucked
vast sandal
I guess just donāt get hit by her skill shots?
Donāt Stand in the Red Circle ahh character
vestal hearth
Firmly grasp child.
mild flume
I think splitting for ult and dragging it into waves is important
vast sandal
Okay okay
So itās just like
Donāt group up and get punished by the lady that punishes you for grouping up
mild flume
She is pretty fragile if you can get on her and like stay on she dies fast
merry verge
'group up' with range extender being sort of in the lane or fight in general
quiet sapphire
yeah
somber creek
The problem is she can punish you for being alone
warped ridge
It's just as much about the attitude and direction as anything
Given how at a baseline deadlock is likely to frustrate people, I actually wouldn't blame the decision to actually enforce a no rule about complaining about chars
quiet sapphire
i feel like people just aren't used to playing around lich ult
somber creek
Because she can just jump you
quiet sapphire
and with her 2 maxed she doesn't even need you to be grouped
since it can bounce on her as well if her shield is up
merry verge
Lich ult feels different when you're not watching from a skybox, imo
quaint kernel
Hey Yall, how do you deal with a Victor who is like 10-20k above you besides like, running away?
quiet sapphire
yep
vast sandal
I am not used to playing around Lich ult, that is true
vast sandal
Hey Yall, how do you deal with a Victor who is like 10-20k above you besides lik...
Nah you got it
Go farm
merry verge
Warp Stone has felt great for it though
somber creek
Buy anti heal
median lantern
Just donāt be in that situation
merry verge
if it lands on you you can dart it away
vast sandal
Get strong, buy Healbane, then you can settle the matter
quiet sapphire
yeah there are definitely differences between how effectively the same ability plays out in a top-down view vs a third person shooter
merry verge
do the same w/ doorman doors
warped ridge
Like it's clear yall are getting frustrated (sometimes more than the people complaining) about the people complaining and might just be better to stop it holistically but Idk
quiet sapphire
like raven for instance (hero labs character), huge complaints came in for his ult which was effectively medusas ult (if your character is facing her you get a stacking debuff that eventually turns you to stone and some other stuff yadda yadda)
mild flume
I think potentially debuff remover might be quite important later against Celeste for the escalating exposure stacks
vestal trench
I get the idea of the ult its like an ffxiv raid boss mechanic run away with the orb so it doesnt kill everyone but but it feels a little more complicated from a fps perspective
quiet sapphire
raven had one that would i think slow fire rate and eventually curse you if you looked at him?
quaint kernel
Just donāt be in that situation
I do try not to most of the time, I just don't feel like I'm contributing if I just run away from him I guess.
quiet sapphire
so both basically had an ult that was "don't look at me"
mild flume
I think it's quite hard but people will learn it
quiet sapphire
so you know just turn around
quaint kernel
Might be a team game thing too since I mostly solo queue and can't control people not running at Victor too
quiet sapphire
thing is in dota, even if you were facing the other way you could still see what the hell was going on
median lantern
I do try not to most of the time, I just don't feel like I'm contributing if I j...
I am mostly just being silly I donāt know deadlock well enough to give real advice I just know that itās very hard to fight people with sizable leads in mobas
quaint kernel
Yeah
warped ridge
I do try not to most of the time, I just don't feel like I'm contributing if I j...
Yeh, gotta fight the urge and remember dead is worse cause then you're def not helping
Like I've had to stop myself
quiet sapphire
in deadlock? you can't face him, you can't see the teamfight, you have absolutely no clue what is happening
so they scrapped him
warped ridge
Cause in other games I'm like
somber creek
I do think the big problem with Celeste is she demands a very specific distance where you have to be grouped but around the entire lane
mild flume
Yeah against some fat characters just gotta avoid them and play the map
quiet sapphire
and chucked him into the pit alongside slork
warped ridge
"Yeah we can go into this 2v2"
median lantern
And āenemy with carry potential gets bigā is just almost always gonna be a struggle session to not lose until the global wealth level erases their lead
vast sandal
If Victor is swole as fuck the best thing you can do is just go stab his teammates tbh
warped ridge
But this game has reignited a lot of my smite brain and going, "we totally could do this 2v2 and win, but does my teammate believe that?"
vast sandal
To kill the king, bring down his horse
mild flume
The comeback mechanics are strong so if you can avoid them in time you will catch up
median lantern
The universal advice is to get as much money as youāre allowed and bleed out slowly as a team
vast sandal
Funke put it well when he said your aim when behind is to find stability
quaint kernel
And āenemy with carry potential gets bigā is just almost always gonna be a strug...
Yeah, huge victor seems to be the biggest culprit in my games ATM. I want to find productive ways to stop him or try and minimize his impact. I guess running away is more convenient and just wait it out
mild flume
Like it's clear yall are getting frustrated (sometimes more than the people comp...
I can see this but like how do I fight x char is useful stuff
vast sandal
Do your chores, get the ball rolling on money, buy survival and counter build the worst offenders
merry verge
Running away from his speed-boosted debuff cleansing self orz
quaint kernel
I know there was a bit about complaining earlier, not trying to road rage post too just trying to understand what I did wrong in the moment haha
vast sandal
Run the damn urn
mild flume
It's more we want to avoid venting basically
warped ridge
Yeh I getcha
vast sandal
If you lose lane, get paid and start undermining their lead
mild flume
I mean I have an alternative approach I recommend too, and that's like try the char and see what causes you problems
warped ridge
It's why I'm trying to be more proactive at saying certain stuff and prevent a thread highjack but a smaller thing
Like uhh
#1276682303384457256 message
vast sandal
warped ridge
Cause I was talking about feeling like clutch plays were missing and how I havent quite had any yet
median lantern
I just canāt give very good advice because while Iām a long time moba player Iām very much getting my footing in deadlock lol
mild flume
Easiest character for clutch plays is dynamo
vast sandal
LET ME OUT
mild flume
If that's your jam
vast sandal
LET ME OUT OF THIS DAMN SINGULARITY
warped ridge
I just canāt give very good advice because while Iām a long time moba player Iām...
Problem I'm running into is I miss dota-isms cause I played thousands of hours of smite and hundreds in league and deadlock is more dota-y than the other mobas
median lantern
Are there any particular āplay this if youāre newā characters or do I just pick by who looks cool and learn the rest?
gray otter
hmmm i want landing on a flower with the leap ability to do something extra but idk what
finite patrol
Billyās a time traveller?
just a joke because his theme is anachronistic to the rest of the setting
warped ridge
Easiest character for clutch plays is dynamo
Ye, I actually was thinking Paradox might be able to do some stuff with the wall/ult
mild flume
Are there any particular āplay this if youāre newā characters or do I just pick ...
Some are easier than others but tbh just pick who is cool
gray otter
Are there any particular āplay this if youāre newā characters or do I just pick ...
id advise going into sandbox mode and trying everyone's buttons
median lantern
Cool
mild flume
Paradox def can clutch things out
finite patrol
if youre a headshot fiend I recommend warden
median lantern
Way back when I was learning LoL I just picked Kayle cause she looked sort of cool and learned from that haha
finite patrol
he's straightforward and his headshots are JUICY
mossy lance
Way back when I was learning LoL I just picked Kayle cause she looked sort of co...
i think there are far worse ways to start out in any game tbh
jump into what you find interesting for even the smallest reasons
and drive like you stole it
warped ridge
i think there are far worse ways to start out in any game tbh
My first char in League was Kindred
mossy lance
if you crash you crash
still swan
Warden needs a new model though
median lantern
Yeah I think the hard part for me will be learning the team comps
finite patrol
Yeah
vast sandal
Give that man a Fullmetal Alchemist coat RIGHT NOW
mild flume
Like there are dota heroes id recc against starting with, but I think deadlock is a bit easier or more flexable that way
mossy lance
Yeah I think the hard part for me will be learning the team comps
i'm still lost in an impossible world of myriad flavours (items)
median lantern
It also looks like thereās a lot of lane swaps and zipline riding?
Iām not sure
warped ridge
It also looks like thereās a lot of lane swaps and zipline riding?
Yeah the uhh, rotation movement guide thingy
Do you have it?
mild flume
I don't think deadlock has nearly the intricate team comps and positions of dota it's a lot more chill
mossy lance
my brain is just woefully bad at keeping track of what items even exist, nevermind what are useful, and that really hamstrings me
mild flume
At least so far
median lantern
my brain is just woefully bad at keeping track of what items even exist, nevermi...
Yeah that stuff takes a while
vast sandal
my brain is just woefully bad at keeping track of what items even exist, nevermi...
This is what your build screen is for tbh
mossy lance
its why i chafed a lot with LoL and DOTA and loved HoTS
somber creek
Hard to build team comps when you cant decide who is on your team
rich grove
the card game player: i dont have any problem remembering six hundred thousand pointless little objects
quiet sapphire
I don't think deadlock has nearly the intricate team comps and positions of dota...
it is a game still being developed and more importantly, discovered by the players
dota is ancient by game standards
median lantern
Hard to build team comps when you cant decide who is on your team
This is probably gonna bug me I love picking for team comp haha
quiet sapphire
the playerbase has had a lot of time figuring stuff out
warped ridge
vast sandal
If you ^^prio the character you want youāll be alright
rich grove
well that gets you your guy but that does not guarantee you avoid four carries and then a sinclair comps
quiet sapphire
leif is good
warped ridge
For the movement stuff
mild flume
Yeah it's new and I think it's just as a game a bit less specific than dota in this way
mossy lance
This is what your build screen is for tbh
honestly even that isn't as helpful as i'd like, but that is fully a "skill issue" on my part because what happens is i go "ah yes, build" and then get to shop and go oh god oh fuck and click things without understanding anyway
warped ridge
I can't remember if this is the goto one that Winged always posts
mossy lance
which is more the problem
bleak thicket
god what a shitshow of a lane lol
still won game 
mossy lance
i'm not actually learning anything
quiet sapphire
just make sure you're watching the latest videos
mossy lance
because i am in fight or flight mode
rich grove
god what a shitshow of a lane lol
still won game <:rooEZ1:725621498634567760>
our plans extend for centuries
quiet sapphire
Yeah it's new and I think it's just as a game a bit less specific than dota in t...
when are they adding creep stacking and pulling
i need my skill expression
warped ridge
god what a shitshow of a lane lol
still won game <:rooEZ1:725621498634567760>
Wait where is this at? In match history?
mossy lance
so i'm trying to actually memorize some things and when it's good
vast sandal
which is more the problem
#1 thing to remember is that youāre building towards the $4800 power spike
quiet sapphire
i didn't mentally train myself to count the passing of every minute for no reason
mild flume
when are they adding creep stacking and pulling
It's just different skills really
bleak thicket
the venator had a like
15k soul lead 15 minutes into the game
and he pissed it all away
quiet sapphire
many such cases
vast sandal
But also
median lantern
If you ^^prio the character you want youāll be alright
This is probably my ennui filled jungle soul but I just wanna see winscreens give me instrumental characters haha
mossy lance
#1 thing to remember is that youāre building towards the $4800 power spike
oh yeah that did fuck me up originally also, as another skill issue
vast sandal
You can queue the items you need while youāre on the zip
mild flume
i didn't mentally train myself to count the passing of every minute for no reaso...
If you count minutes steal all their sinners on spawn as rem
mossy lance
i was reading the item pages like. top bottom, left right. so i abslutely 100% was missing out on like, the tier 2 items
lmao
median lantern
This is probably my ennui filled jungle soul but I just wanna see winscreens giv...
(This is also not really true I just donāt mind metaslaving)
quiet sapphire
If you count minutes steal all their sinners on spawn as rem
rem is actually so good for this
mild flume
Yes
astral lava
maximum Easy-to-Win rating goes to Geist imo
quiet sapphire
like i do it when i can on other characters
autumn field
I donāt know why but Vendator mains somehow always go super ahead early mid
rich grove
i was reading the item pages like. top bottom, left right. so i abslutely 100% w...
manga instructions for gamers incoming
quiet sapphire
but DAMN
autumn field
But then die off at like late
mossy lance
manga instructions for gamers incoming
"damn why is this so expensive" <-- can't read
quiet sapphire
sinners cost a shit ton of health
rich grove
astral lava
one billion gun damage on a bulky caster
quiet sapphire
so being able to yoink it for, basically free is huge
bleak thicket
im always so stressed on rem
cause i steal like 4 sinners and suddenly im just the littlest creature carrying a 1.2k bag
mild flume
Im 100% serious if you have that skill terrorize people as rem
quiet sapphire
1000%
vast sandal
But then die off at like late
They get counter built and donāt buy Resistance Shredder or anything
rich grove
well also he's a pure m1 in a game with plated armor
quiet sapphire
metal skin hurts him
rich grove
yeah
quiet sapphire
disarm sucks
rich grove
just a lot of options to stare blankly at him
vast sandal
It doesnāt help that if Venator gets ahead heās only ahead until the enemy team buys the Venator Pls Go items
quiet sapphire
i think he's still solid
rich grove
he firmly has an expiry date on his scaling
I mean haze also does
for similar reasons
but I still like haze
quiet sapphire
pure damage is never going to be not good
and that execute? heavenly
bye bye ulting mina
2x headshot
autumn field
I think my graves build is designed to murderize victors
rich grove
it's so funny that the exec threshold is like. 8%
quiet sapphire
welcome back ancient apparition
vast sandal
Is it weird that Celeste doesnāt get owned as hard as other pure one damage type carries
rich grove
like are you really execing them
autumn field
Because part of my core is lots of antiheals
mossy lance
it's so funny that the exec threshold is like. 8%
8% exec threshold
sixteen gorillian damage
rich grove
the most potent anti spirit stuff like spellbreaker is pretty bad against her
mossy lance
i'm glad i'm not the only one to have chuckled at that tbh
astral lava
can plated armor block the execute pf ven ult. Could be funny
rich grove
she has a gorillion ways to pop the metaphorical linkens
autumn field
I love how Celeste can drop like, 600000 3s per second
rich grove
we don't have a BKB equiv the way we do in metal skin/plated either
vast sandal
Tbh the execute is just to make sure that Ira Domini works on the bastards what hover at 10% HP all game but can never fully die no
quiet sapphire
i feel like her numbers are a bit overtuned but that's it
they'll fix her numbers
rich grove
she plays at really awkward ranges to huck silence wave
median lantern
Wait Iām a little confused by damage types
rich grove
there is ornj and purmpl
median lantern
Spirit damage is basically AP? Pure is Iām guessing True
somber creek
yup
rich grove
yeah pure is true
quiet sapphire
yeah
warped ridge
Gun, spirit and true
median lantern
Orange damage is AD I imagine
rich grove
pure is 
vast sandal
Do Toxic Bullets deal Pure Damage
median lantern
Ok nvm I think that was easier than I thought
somber creek
There really isn't a good item for anti-dots huh
rich grove
yeh toxic is spirit
vast sandal
Wow, being a bullet carry kinda sucks
rich grove
ehh
quiet sapphire
rich grove
it has side benefits like killing obj
median lantern
i feel like her numbers are a bit overtuned but that's it
From what I gather Celeste is a combination of new character reaction and her basic abilities being cranqued
bleak thicket
warped ridge
Yeah what Thresh said
bleak thicket
sage jam doing deadlock content
quiet sapphire
From what I gather Celeste is a combination of new character reaction and her ba...
yeah definitely
vast sandal
I guess if they built metal skin thatās 6400 souls down the drain to make your life ultimately not that much harder
rich grove
metal skin is 3.2k
warped ridge
oyoyo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plNeLrRarNg
It is the most complicated game I know yes.
This includes Tarkov
vast sandal
Oh, well still
rich grove
and it does make your life pretty hard
merry verge
metal skin having that short a cooldown is so rough
granite heath
metal skin is 3.2k
what if they buy it twice
somber creek
I forgot Sajam looked like Mr Beast
merry verge
but also having to build it is like 'ok fine' so on both ends it's an investment
vast sandal
Like is there much you can do once the Metal Skin is in play other than get unstoppable bullets
rich grove
it feels awful and it can stop your momentum early if you get jumpscared but there's counter counter play and you can usually tempo them out if you're truly rolling
curse is the big one
they metal skin and curse strips them
useful to punish supreme overconfidence
warped ridge
Like is there much you can do once the Metal Skin is in play other than get unst...
Kill their teammates and just ignore them. Shoot them anyways and deal non weap damage.
I can sometimes 1v1 people as haze even if they use metal skin
quiet sapphire
curse is goated
granite heath
ah, curse is the dispel now.
I saw it was gone from capacitator, good to know it still exists.
quiet sapphire
also yes fixation stacks still go through metal skin
vast sandal
Like with McGunnis I donāt actually care, if the enemy team all get Metal Skin I did my job and I go eat their Walkers when theyāre not looking
quiet sapphire
so you do get some incidental spirit damage through metal skin
quiet sapphire
also metal skin is 5 seconds
rich grove
150
quiet sapphire
just
rich grove
for a full thing
warped ridge
If you're haze you can sleep dagger for 5
quiet sapphire
it's not like you get mo and krill ulted when they press their z key
rich grove
it's not so notable in a teamfight cause yeah you can generally find one
merry verge
sometimes it's like 7.5 seconds
rich grove
but uh
in any kind of non-6v6 situation it can really quickly become "they can damage you, you can't touch them"
quiet sapphire
take a deep breath, you'll be ok.
rich grove
and you just die
quiet sapphire
this too shall pass
vast sandal
But from my perspective I am not in it as McGinnis to kill people
Iām here to create a gap between their soul count and ours
warped ridge
Yeh I try to bait it out and then re-engage when it's on cd
vast sandal
If they spend money on countering my damage I am winning
merry verge
Metal Skin in warden jail and just shooting him in the face
quiet sapphire
yeah it does slow them down pretty heavily when its up
warped ridge
I did that to a silver but then she morbed and killed me.
Was very close to killing silver too 
vast sandal
If I see another Metal Skin werewolf though Iām going back to Doorman
These mutts need to go back in their kennels
rich grove
more than anything else doorman has a button that says "go away"
warped ridge
Multiple, the cart and the cube dimension
rich grove
which is the single most useful thing against a silver if you can't outright nuke her
vast sandal
Survive the Baroness and win a free 4v1
rich grove
oh I legit just meant cart but yeah sticking most of the duration of her DI in the hotel is pretty hot
vast sandal
Your money back if we donāt fucking kill you upon arrival
rich grove
cart just shoving her back twenty meters can sometimes be enough
merry verge
Range extender on cart still surprises me with how much it'll do
vast sandal
Iāve accidentally killed a teammate by sending orb Viscous cross-lane
merry verge
/GETAWAY and 5 seconds later donk
mossy lance
Iāve accidentally killed a teammate by sending orb Viscous cross-lane
that's hilarious actually
rich grove
Iāve accidentally killed a teammate by sending orb Viscous cross-lane
wii sports voice NICE THROW!
quiet sapphire
SPARE.
vast sandal
Now I need to go bowling with an ally Viscous
quiet sapphire
viscous would love bowling
still swan
Invite Rem
merry verge
The Torment Orb..
vast sandal
Go my child, kill them all
still swan
The Deadlock Bowling Club
still swan
Rem also talks to Graves about Bowling
astral lava
Foreshadowing for Pinhead the Bowlmaster
vast sandal
Doorman would go bowling on his āday offā to see what sport mortals take part in
astral lava
quiet sapphire
Apollo in 7 minutes.
still swan
Apollo sweep
quiet sapphire
the furtive Apollo, so easily forgotten
still swan
I hope he won this time around
vast sandal
āI donāt expect anything from you, Lady Geistā is one of the harshest burns yet tbh
twilit roost
Apollo Rat king soon
vast sandal
Post kit when he drops I wanna see and Iām not home
quiet sapphire
RATS RATS RATS š š š
twilit roost
He's da big rat who makes all the rules
quiet sapphire
IM DA KING OF DA RATS, BABEY
quiet sapphire
HiIiiiIiiiii it's ME!
astral lava
theyre still cowards for un-naming his ult rat-a-tat
median lantern
Real
quiet sapphire
theyre still cowards for un-naming his ult rat-a-tat
vyper stole his shir
shit
check her character tags
astral lava
I know it. but league are eternal cowarzs
every league assassin is deeply frustrating to play against so im glad that currently deadlock has like. 2, 3 characters dedicated to Extreme Super Burst
autumn field
yeah, yeah
im lowkey evil
yeah yeah
quiet sapphire
im the hidden king
still swan
(There are Federal agents outside my house)
quiet sapphire
duh duh, duh duh
somber creek
Can you parry siliver's 2???
frail jasper
Can you parry siliver's 2???
No
astral lava
Icon i think
magic summit
Icon
severe loom
sage jam doing deadlock content
Eskay has been playing this game fiendishly since Mina came out I'm p sure
and so that may be how it gestated into the ecosystem
autumn field
APOLLO KIT
GIMME
warped ridge
Apollo in game now
rich grove
what do you mean "timing his strikes perfectly" yoshi.
warped ridge
He out
rich grove
yoshi does he have a fucking electric yoshi.
autumn field
wyat the fuck
rich grove
what street brawl does to an mf's vote count
bleak thicket
Exactly 600 people had the foresight to only vote for the eventual winner each round
damn
magic summit
The highest margin being only 11% is wild
finite patrol
pls link the article
twilit roost
autumn field
is this fucking real???
astral lava
no thankfully. Apollo isnt actually being added
frail jasper
bleak thicket
@ivory reef he has parry+
rich grove
@quaint kernel just frame timing
gray otter
OH NO HES COOL
quiet sapphire
what his primary fire like
finite patrol
god I love memes
finite grotto
testing it right now
vestal trench
he has a REKKA?
vestal trench
WHY IS HIS HEAVY MELEE A KICKKKKKK
finite grotto
OMG HE HAS JUDGEMENT CUT
mossy pine
oh no hes kind of sick
finite grotto
his 1 is a bit weird i think
finite grotto
finite patrol
same range as drifter right
finite grotto
and the attacks look like drifter but I think itsj ust visual?
astral lava
sword longer than hand
bleak thicket
lol his intro line mentions voters coming to their senses
finite patrol
swords and claws reach farther than succ beam
finite grotto
we were joking
vast sandal
Oh boy
finite grotto
but he kidna does
autumn field
im in school now š
granite heath
wyat the fuck
I do love that this means they didn't spend any joke votes on Apollo at the end.
finite grotto
and everytime you use 3 you can also dash forward or backward before
warped ridge
Cause I reallt doubt Valve is gonna goober it like Riot
granite heath
Incredibly focused
warped ridge
However
I am very displeased that he's not a char I vibe with in any other way
But
Ymmv
Can't win em all
finite grotto
ok so and his 3 is kinda like yamato 1 but with hitting it on the beat
gray otter
lmao
magic summit
Oh if I could walk off my job to come play him
finite grotto
you can use the 3 also in air and hover before using it
but 3 seems sick
3 damage instances
with 3 dashes
and you can dash before the dmg comes and then once the dmg comes
warped ridge
"i see you voters have finally come to your senses"
What can I say, people wanted to vote for him over Slork 
Next time tho
Slork
finite grotto
ups i just dashed out of the train?
bleak thicket
i see he went to the twink school on how to reload your weapon
warped ridge
Thats funny
Makes me happier about not vibing with him aesthetically
Cause I'd rather actually like the char who gets Vergil memes
finite grotto
ok you can delay the ul cast but i dont think you can cancel once acivated
merry verge
He seems like a Silence Wave'd kind of gentleman
finite patrol
i see he went to the twink school on how to reload your weapon
does he grab a new one thru a portal to ixia?
finite grotto
you can fly
granite heath
i see he went to the twink school on how to reload your weapon
What is his auto-attack and reload?
bleak thicket
he shoots sword slashes
limited range but its not too short
reload he throws his sword into a different dimension then resummons it
quaint kernel
<@711407405812023377> just frame timing
Yo cool
finite grotto
his level 1 seems cracked with 3
bleak thicket
this is max range
finite grotto
its very drifter ye
finite patrol
ah drifter is 22/27 apparently so very close but not exactly the same
finite grotto
i cant wait to brawl level 1 and then triple stab
bleak thicket
finite grotto
oh i should check if spirit snatch works on his 3
warped ridge
reload he throws his sword into a different dimension then resummons it
Oh he's a gilgamesh
Or reaper but swords
bleak thicket
oh i should check if spirit snatch works on his 3
doesnt seem to
autumn field
does his sword deal extra on melee hit?
gray otter
this guy rules unfortunately
vast sandal
still swan
His first line upon coming to him in the safehouse is "It looks like the voters have finally come to their sensees"
vast sandal
Deadlock ad
finite grotto
hmm I think build wise I will try him like yamato
bleak thicket
you can riposte the tower beam lol
quaint kernel
The just frame is very very very generous
bleak thicket
walker stomp too
finite patrol
lash v apollo arrogance battle
vestal trench
He reminds me of ror2 merc the 3 dashes the flurry cut the laser slash primary
autumn field
you can riposte the tower beam lol
can he parry ults?
granite heath
The just frame is very very very generous
Makes sense, the rhythym minigame in DotA was pretty generous too.
autumn field
counterspell is gonna be insane on him
twilit roost
lol
bleak thicket
lol
autumn field
finite grotto
appollo 3 hurts a lot!
gray otter
fuuuuck hes so fun
winged terrace
the ult is crazy
autumn field
does he straight up just sandevistan enemies
finite grotto
his 3 is so cary ingame wtf
yo udash and it also haas pretty decent range
and u use it 3 tiems
autumn field
very high mobility it sounds
ivory reef
@bleak thicket I'm coming back from the dentist. Is Apollo my style?
bleak thicket
i think so yeah
gray otter
be very careful, apollo 2 can get you stuck in walls
ivory reef
Thanks jenjen
bleak thicket
as mentioned he has parry+
gray otter
dont ask how i know
quartz zenith
schmovement, timing mechanics, fancy parry
rich grove
the level 0 counterspell is so funny
autumn field
and za worldo
ivory reef
rich grove
I know for sure I'm gonna shoot him with one bullet right as he parries and get my lane duo killed
ivory reef
Fun conversation follow-up here for you guys
About fighting game reactions
As a community we generally consider 0.3 seconds the boundary of reaction
ivory reef
And heavy melee is 1.25 seconds