oh my god 4 stamina
#Deadlock
merry verge
another for the Knockdown/Phantom Strike roster
autumn field
fuck she sounds fun fun
warped ridge
If looks matter that much I can't be playing this game cause there isn't anyone ugly enough yet that compares to how ugly I am.
If they add Slork I can def get by on creature energy though
autumn field
how blinding are them skills
ivory reef
not even slightly
finite grotto
does the bounce from her m1 on character hit auto bounces towards another enemy?
warped ridge
If they added cs flashbang that would be hilarious lol
twilit roost
her gun bounces a bit off walls so spamming it towards their shop when they buy in lane lets you hit them
autumn field
she has autoaim???
ivory reef
is there no way to put her ult on instant cast?
finite grotto
she has autoaim???
semi
dusky flume
If they added cs flashbang that would be hilarious lol
Would be so damn awful
finite grotto
it seems the second projectile when you hit something autoaims
merry verge
She can just like
autumn field
oh so once you hit it gets locked on?
merry verge
good god this movement
rich grove
it seems the second projectile when you hit something autoaims
sir a second usecase for split shot has hit the deadlock
quaint kernel
I am seeing people saying that celeste sounds like a new yorker but in actuality she is just Harley Quinn
finite grotto
the bounce autoaims once it hits onto the ground and corrects onto the enemy
dusky flume
It's a whole ass baton/staff?
finite grotto
Ok this is a better picture of what i mean
rich grove
agile void
excuse the falloff range is what?
quaint kernel
She seems good-ish
finite grotto
wait how do i add souls in trianing mode ahh
quaint kernel
I have no clue because I just do item guides
vestal trench
her one gives her gun spirit scaling?
finite grotto
wait is split shot disabled
vestal trench
JACOBS LADDER
finite grotto
ok it is
vast sandal
so does she have a Brooklyn accent or a Boston accent
autumn field
wait why?
autumn field
whats her builds look like?
autumn field
i see heavy spirit, hunters aura, point blank being popular
and maybe long range even
vestal trench
does she need high velocity rounds?
finite grotto
Ok the bounce from her m1 seems do be a cone behind the enemy
agile void
oh yeah her poster
agile void
Ok the bounce from her m1 seems do be a cone behind the enemy
wait its a cone behind?
finite grotto
so close together it does bounce right next to
oh its really weird
so
this bounces
dusky flume
Okay people weren't kidding, that accent is thick lol
finite grotto
if i hit infernus in the armpit there it bounces to the other enemy
if i hit him in the center of his back it douesnt bounce
wow that is funky
autumn field
wait she has 100% air control???
agile void
I will not be surprised if they make it position wise rather than space wise
finite grotto
so it seems do be like a weird cone ish shape based on where it hit
agile void
wait she has 100% air control???
she has lower gravity
autumn field
autumn field
she has lower gravity
thats fucking hilarious
finite grotto
wow it do be funky
agile void
thats fucking hilarious
look at this
holliday is already falling while celeste is still lingering in her apex of the jump
finite grotto
she airdashes so fucking far
autumn field
stam mast 🙏
merry verge
Knockdown stocks skyrocket
agile void
autumn field
i want to play her to see how menancing i can be as a circles-around-you machine
finite grotto
this is a double jump into a normal airdash btw
her airdash is like 16-17 meters or so without anything
autumn field
hows a regular one?
dusky flume
Jesus
autumn field
can someone summarize her gun mechanics?
agile void
is it?
finite grotto
seems to be like 10 meters
agile void
that just feels smaller than a drifter 1
finite grotto
merry verge
Silver down in the mines, working for nickles
quaint kernel
Movement shooting is my passion in shooters
finite grotto
her ult also seems to have no range limit when initally shooting
dusky flume
Let me fly around and rain death from above like a magical girl 💖
finite grotto
I think it also semi homes when it is close to an enemy
The ult hits still when i aim like this
i cant wait to play her
frail jasper
can someone summarize her gun mechanics?
slow ROF, fairly high base damage, 8 rounds per magazine
if you hit a surface it will bounce at a corresponding angle. if it bounces, there's like a 30 degree angle where it will check if there's a valid enemy target and if there is then its bounce angle will aim at that target instead of just reflecting normally.
this can be used to hit things around some corners
finite grotto
her heavy melee is also amazing
agile void
parry
finite grotto
OMG HER SLIDE
frail jasper
also you CANNOT buy Split Shot on her (ricochet works though)
finite grotto
I DIDNT SEE HER SLIDE
agile void
SHE IS UNIRONICALLY SERVING CUNT
autumn field
slow ROF, fairly high base damage, 8 rounds per magazine
if you hit a surface it...
that is incredible
so the best way to aim is to not aim
that is hilarious
autumn field
also you CANNOT buy Split Shot on her (ricochet works though)
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
frail jasper
In some sense, yeah.
agile void
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
imagine the bouncy time
finite grotto
ye aiming at the ground does seem to be reliable altough gotta see how it is in a real game
agile void
I DIDNT SEE HER SLIDE
frail jasper
I think it would be a core item if you could Split Shot into the ground and all 5 projectiles bounced up and tracked onto one target
autumn field
tbf tho it's 1/attack so it's
finite grotto
i dont know if the bounce also prios heroes over minions or is just closest
plain furnace
slow ROF, fairly high base damage, 8 rounds per magazine
if you hit a surface it...
Ricochet sounds like it will be stupid
finite grotto
i just keep looking at the slide
plain furnace
Also, just to try, I stacked all charges+cd reduction on her 3, and it was like, available each second. Without losing charges. Maybe it was a bug, I dunno. Sounded stupid
finite grotto
oh i should test of the bounce also ricochets
somber creek
It is funny how different in scale people's wishes are
finite grotto
ok it does i think
autumn field
It’s funny yeah
somber creek
Venator and Haze dont even have wishes right?
autumn field
Rem is a really simple “plz banish me to hell”
finite patrol
wish? what wish? im just here to kill people
frail jasper
Ricochet sounds like it will be stupid
Well her 1 does giver her spirit damage procs on hitting those targets (in addition to 20/35% spirit lifesteal) so in theory ricochet would be a lot of damage. I don't expect it to actually be a thing people do but there's always gonna be meme gun builds for heroes.
Venator and Haze are doing this on behalf of their organizations, so figure out what those organizations would want and it's that
merry verge
Doorman and Drifter also don't seem to have wishes
frail jasper
rem wants to go home. drifter is just here for the love of the game
doorman is the third patron
merry verge
Drifter just keeps wishing to do the ritual again it's why there's so many matches
somber creek
It does seem like Doorman wants something
agile void
It does seem like Doorman wants *something*
make the baroness the best haunted hotel in new york
empty owl
very funny that she has a bronx accent
makes me yearn for paige's prototype voice that sounded somewhat close to hers but alas, the nerdy girl archetype is mandatory
finite grotto
the pussy sliding is so funny
somber creek
Its really weird how the actual thing the game is about is the least developed part of its lore
dusky flume
So, no one questioned the unicorn horn sticking out of the stage magician's head?
rich grove
"nobody questioned this thing that could be a prop worn by a kind of guy who wears props all the time"
ivory reef
So, no one questioned the unicorn horn sticking out of the stage magician's head...
no?
rich grove
"are they stupid"
ivory reef
they're carnies
rich grove
it'd be like asking why nobody has suspected vtubers of being satanists cause they have devil horns in their models or something
somber creek
You say that
vast sandal
there's two tiers of shit people can say about a performer type right
autumn field
a
vast sandal
there's outsiders, who don't know the business and will say stupid shit like "that vtuber is a Satanist because of the devil horns" and no one cares about that
autumn field
Also I really have to try her out when I get home she sounds amazing
vast sandal
that's Z-tier commentary
then there's people who know the business and will say shit like "yeah that's definitely a prop" because they know the business and they know how a sideshow is made
that's who everyone is listening to and none of them are gonna say some cretinous shit like "the sideshow performer is a legit unicorn"
dusky flume
Sorry, I didn't mean to annoy
vast sandal
what no I'm not annoyed I'm just explaining how that kind of a con works
rich grove
I mean in fairness I think maybe thirty people in this discord have gone to a physical circus show in their entire lives
vast sandal
They're neat!
rich grove
twenty of them probably went to cirque du soleil
which is a whole different kind of thing from the kind of circuses with freakshows and lion tamers
vast sandal
I always forget how unintuitive the idea of kayfabe is if you aren't in some way initiated to it
dusky flume
I just thought it was a funny thought that she's managed to keep up the kayfabe and all
merry verge
I saw some folks saying her outfit was too eccentric and it's like the -carnie-?
The Dazzling Celeste?
dusky flume
Wait, huh?
somber creek
I think her outfit doesnt fit the 1930s aesthetic
merry verge
I'd say it fits more than Billy
vast sandal
Billy should be a greaser.
somber creek
Okay but im not talking about Billy is the thing
Billy also breaks the aesthetic but this ain't about him
merry verge
Other than maybe the heels I don't think she's breaking aesthetic too hard is the thing
It's mostly a jazzed-up onepiece with a jacket on there
dusky flume
I didn't really think about how Billy's outfit was aesthetic breaking before, but I do see it
Nonetheless, I don't think Celeste's appearance is too outrageous
somber creek
The jacket is very modern
merry verge
There's a specific type of look to her but I can't recall it.. not a flapper thing.. >:|a
Honestly it kind of looks like she's wearing Billy's jacket lmao
stole it and cropped it
dusky flume
A thief 😔
finite patrol
stealing from billy is like taxing the rich
autumn field
honestly the only thing that doesnt fit for celeste is the jacket
and she's so extra that she'd make it work
esp for someone whose a performer
merry verge
I think it fits in a sort of 'gifted from one of the other circusfolk' way
magic summit
Any time there is a mention of breaking the aesthetic I am reminded of the samurai and robot in the game.
lavish shale
I kinda suspect Bebop might get a model change again at some point
dusky flume
How so?
agile void
honestly the only thing that doesnt fit for celeste is the jacket
I think it does
lavish shale
to be more golem-y and less robot
agile void
its like she came out of the sideshow
"shit I need to get ready for the ritual"
grab a jacket
like, right after her 9 to 5
autumn field
and she's so extra that she'd make it work
.
i said she makes it work
like when your animation set is you basically dancing around, you can pull it off
magic summit
Bebop will likely get an update but I doubt he won't be a big metal asshole with a laser beam and explosives
magic summit
It's funny seeing like. Really old deadlock footage when it was Neon Prime
And seeing all these characters with vaguely the same silhouettes and abilities
And then there's Bebop.
Unchanged.
lavish shale
Yamato will also get changed at some point I think
since I think she's also still mostly in her Neon Prime model
merry verge
100%
rich grove
bebop just looks shitty enough to fit the aesthetic
magic summit
She is, Yoshi posted her possible redesigns a while back but the leaked redesign that came out was different from any of those
rich grove
in a realistically shitty junkyard dog kinda way
he reminds me of Atom from the greatest sports movie of all time, Real Steel
somber creek
Bebop needs to lose his dumb samurai pants
rich grove
that's pretty much it
dusky flume
I didn't think Bebop was out of place at all, really
If anything, I didn't think the setting was sticking that hard to period accuracy, so I didn'y pay too much mind
lavish shale
he's not super out of place, but his current look is not the most congruent with what his lore is supposed to be IMO
frail jasper
There's a more scrappy bebop design in that geist vn which fits well.
short quiver
Celeste has 4 stamina?
Valve beating the allegations lol
late hare
clarification on Celeste 3; it doesn’t give permanent spirit power when it hits people, yes?
just like, for a short duration based on how many you hit
vestal trench
i think it lasts how long her horn glows
somber creek
If anything, I didn't think the setting was sticking that hard to period accurac...
It seems like the intention with most of the original cast (Who weren't recycled from Neon) was to do so
But they've been breaking from it more and more
lavish shale
clarification on Celeste 3; it doesn’t give permanent spirit power when it hits ...
it's temporary, yes
merry verge
Right
They gotta nerf her
I don't know what they were thinking lmao
'she just moves better than everyone else' ;3
so her kit is weak?
no.
merry verge
And I already never want to experience this again lmao
ivory reef
Then shut up about this
merry verge
Sorry.
ivory reef
I'd like to not make daily reminders here telling people to not road rage post after a bad game
It's 2026 we have been playing competitive games for most of our lives now surely we've learned some things
somber creek
They need to remove her, they never should have added a horse to this game
ivory reef
vestal trench
ive heard this for every character so far 😭
ivory reef
I'll admit if my Polish metamour who grew up on a farm plays this character I will make fun of her for it
somber creek
<:HorseInstall:1185731717126959114>
Winged i need this emote
somber creek
Wait fuck I had to cancel my nitro in protest
somber creek
Im devastated
rich grove
dusky flume
Why horses?
ivory reef
ive heard this for every character so far 😭
I've heard this for every character in every game I've ever played since I got on the internet
rich grove
the evil and intimidating horse:
finite patrol
Every character who is newly released is incredibly op and completely useless because you have seen her THREE TIMES and maybe played her ONCE if youre lucky
somber creek
She doesnt have any movement right?
finite patrol
Why horses?
shes a unicorn which is a type of fucked up horse
somber creek
Like no ability
ivory reef
No ability no
vestal trench
her barrier makes her faster
ivory reef
She's just gray talon with floatier gravity
This is enough to make people lose their minds apparently
somber creek
Or just play silver
dusky flume
shes a unicorn which is a type of fucked up horse
I meant why do these ggst horses exist lol
somber creek
Wolf beats horse
rich grove
grey talon has like 80% uptime on his flight in lane
although tbf people do be complaining about vin/gt a lot already I don't think they need huge amounts more fuel on the fire
ivory reef
Yeah but he's not Latest Character so who cares
ivory reef
although tbf people do be complaining about vin/gt a lot already I don't think t...
Do they? Amazing
dusky flume
I assume most here play Dota the most apart from this? That has been a game I've been flirting with trying, the more I play Deadlock
finite patrol
people hate buying knockdown
dusky flume
Honestly been making playing MOBAs a little less intimidating for me
merry verge
Knockdown works for GT and Vin because they have to use an ability to fly
ivory reef
Like the idea that someone is just gonna fly at you and then you buy knockdown and then they're fucked is like
It's a whole kind of design energy that's antithetical to league etc
But no that's just dota
Yeah you just buy force staff and Tyrion can never tree you again
Welcome to Dota
Everyone's mean as hell and you buy the Fuck That Guy gun
vestal trench
ive never played a moba before, and i havent played any competitive shooters past apex so this is all very new and fun to me
but im really getting into it
ivory reef
but im really getting into it
I'll say this - the flowing nature of team positioning as people sorta compress into momentary fights but then if there's no objective then being in a dumb fight is a bad idea and you should spread out and make money instead
that's like
probably the core of the moba experience that makes it different from other pvp games
frail jasper
valve definitely uses Syndrome style balance for dota and now deadlock. everyone is bullshit, all the items are OP, and because everything is bullshit and OP it's somehow relatively okay
dusky flume
The one thing is that I'm pretty aware that this plays more like a shooter than other mobas, which gives me this back-of-the-mind question of if I would enjoy one that plays more "traditionally"
ivory reef
like that's probably the key difference that makes a moba different from like, overwatch or apex legends or something
vestal trench
Everyone's mean as hell and you buy the Fuck That Guy gun
see and thats also allocation of resources, if you can force everyone to buy the fuck you gun you are keeping them from their normal itemization, you might have a hard time but you are contributing just by being scary
ivory reef
that sorta flowing disperse and converge fight flow and map control flow
ivory reef
see and thats also allocation of resources, if you can force everyone to buy the...
yeah essentially
rich grove
yeah I specifically enjoy the moment to moment of this infinitely more than dota but me having tiktok brain worms doesn't remove my respect for good dota clicking
vestal trench
theres so many mini interactions happening at all time its like catnip to the audhd brain
ivory reef
dota has fewer raw mechanics (no air strafing stuff) but more like. a LOT more stuff
more heroes, more items, more bullshit interactions
rich grove
laning in particular in dota
vestal trench
im coming to this from risk of rain 2 titanfall brain
rich grove
ivory reef
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bsEnd0Hc1c like here's 5 people ganking me using a special smoke item that makes them invisible to wards
and then I escape anyway because of a bullshit ethereal shift trick only I could pull off, letting me go 3 seconds without damage letting me frame perfect blink a full screen away
rich grove
the creep walk, the shimmy shake of the ranged/melee matchup, learning cs timing on the health bar for your hero and their specific animation timings
so much delta there
ivory reef
here someone shows up to kill @earnest verge . she has like 1 hp. she activates blademail to reflect damage. @mild flume places a "you cannot drop below 1 hp" buff on her, which isn't even an ult that's just a normal level 1 ability for dazzle.
bleak thicket
im coming to this from risk of rain 2 titanfall brain
well good news, hopoo is literally on the deadlock dev team!
ivory reef
she does not die and reflects 1000 damage back into lion's face
somber creek
Dota is so scrungly though
ivory reef
here, we're almost lost
so jenny sells her items
buys "teleport anywhere" boots
teleports into the enemy base
and blows up their throne before they can blow up ours
like dota is just Like This
bleak thicket
no no, the game just went long enough that i just bought teleport boots cause i knew i might have to rat
ivory reef
it's like fighting with a pile of dnd compendiums of bullshit spells and magic items
rich grove
"actually i just anticipated i would do this instead of selling all my things last minute" 
finite grotto
One of the biggest adjustments for me for sure have been the items since I was a league fella so I was not used to this much power and whackyness on items
ivory reef
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdzxHyKspx8 here I get my ass kicked in a huge fight, a fight we would win if @mild flume was around with his big aoe sword. so I cast a global portal and ask him to PLEASE come through the portal
he comes through and then kills everyone
dusky flume
Not to mention interacting with the kind of players that go really hardcore on these sort of games. Had it drilled in me just how scary as fuck League players alone could be. Then again, it can't be that different from most other multiplayer environments, could it?
bleak thicket
alex: shit no im dead
jenny:
ivory reef
everyone is like, a teleporting nuclear warhead in dota
ivory reef
Not to mention interacting with the kind of players that go really hardcore on t...
league was immensely more toxic than anything anyone had ever experienced in 2010
the reality is that it was just the first ever free to play game. ever.
that was also a 5v5 that took an hour to play
is it more toxic than other games? no not really
autumn field
They need to remove her, they never should have added a horse to this game
happy and joyous horse:
ivory reef
but damn it did for sure breed the most uniquely toxic corner of the internet for a while
autumn field
evil and intimdating vampire:
ivory reef
I strongly recommend you go into dota or deadlock or any 5v5 game that takes an hour with friends
with a stack
frail jasper
everyone is like, a teleporting nuclear warhead in dota
we mercifully do not have Bane's Nightmare in deadlock. yet.
rich grove
alex: shit no im dead
jenny:
The Sidelane Slammer Strikes Again
frail jasper
doorman is probably the closest but much less horrifying than Nightmare
autumn field
ok can someone explain this
frail jasper
oh
rich grove
you just put them in gay baby jail at the cost of you being in gay baby jail
frail jasper
wait I was confusing it with Fiend's Grip but also Nightmare sucks ass to deal with too lol
rich grove
you just fully remove their hands from the keyboard
vast sandal
Okay hold on now
toxic gulch
I strongly recommend you go into dota or deadlock or any 5v5 game that takes an ...
ive found that in a game like deadlock im overall really good at handling team toxicity.
but wow yeah no having friends is amazing for it
vast sandal
I meant 2 whole real life seconds knowing that DOTA seconds are the opposite of Marvel seconds okay
frail jasper
Bane applies Nightmare to enemy A. Enemy A cannot do anything for that whole duration. Anyone can attack enemy A to take the sleep effect onto themselves.
autumn field
oh god
toxic gulch
ive been really enjoying playing drifter in deadlock
its been funi
frail jasper
So if nobody attacks enemy A, they just sit there doing nothing for the duration.
toxic gulch
i love driftin
rich grove
yeah this is just a normal thing you can do to the enemy carry as a support
vast sandal
DotA seconds are not atomic clock seconds
rich grove
you can just say "I'm going to sit in the trees and give you a government mandated pee break"
autumn field
i realize you could probably add a Dude In A Wheelchair and make it work for Deadlock
rich grove
meanwhile the rest of the team is dying horribly
autumn field
imagine a drifting mechanic
vast sandal
But also, in fairness, Doorman Deadlock can put you in jail for like 10 fucking seconds and that’s real life ones
frail jasper
bane really is just a bastard in general. get enfeebled, dumbass
toxic gulch
i love doorman deadlock's ult
frail jasper
-70% attack damage
autumn field
and the doublejump (the fuck you mean the wheelchair scales off spirit)
rich grove
yeah Bane can also hit double digit seconds
rich grove
it's pretty great
dusky flume
I strongly recommend you go into dota or deadlock or any 5v5 game that takes an ...
It'd be nice to find friends here to play Dota with, actually. Part of the reason I've been getting more curious about exploring games again was just seeing people here gush about them so much.
rich grove
pos 5 gamin
dusky flume
It's a pretty infectious enthusiasm, lol
vast sandal
We’ve prepared a room for you
toxic gulch
undergoing renovations
autumn field
my favorite thing to do is hit people with the refresher doorman
finite grotto
I Def would like some variety in the jungle creeps in the future
finite grotto
Give em hands that I can parry!
autumn field
it deals like, 0 damage
ivory reef
It's a pretty infectious enthusiasm, lol
games are good and you don't need to play modern nickel and dime live service slop
toxic gulch
i love gamin
ivory reef
like to be fair dota and deadlock are also live service but all the heroes are free and they'll never gatekeep gameplay content so just play
rich grove
when are we going to get the tormentor so that I can randomly forget how the mechanic works and accidentally blow myself up on it
rich grove
the children yearn for the cube, valve
toxic gulch
normally im not into mobas but
finite grotto
Techies in deadlock but you place the mines on the minimap instead with global range
toxic gulch
deadlock really hits me in my reward pathways
rich grove
the children yearn to kill their supports on accident by attacking the cube
ivory reef
when are we going to get the tormentor so that I can randomly forget how the mec...
@granite heath
toxic gulch
farming, lane management, dealing with objectives
merry verge
How about I ask this then, any suggestions aside from knockdown for dealing with the flying pony
toxic gulch
everything that i usually really didnt enjoy researching when i played league really was fun with deadlock
maybe its just controls but
its good
i enjoyed it
ivory reef
no it's not just you
vast sandal
Deadlock just feels good as fuck to play
ivory reef
i'm gonna be very very.. uh.. i'm gonna be very subjective. but I do not like league.
vast sandal
It’s got that new car leather smell
ivory reef
league is an example of a lot of top down design from the developers?
vast sandal
Smoothed out mechanics that don’t SUCK to learn
toxic gulch
in deadlock the drifter loop of "duel a bit in early lane, farm for 70% of the midgame, murder the shit out of people in the late game" was REALLY FUN
finite grotto
Deadlock is kinda what I wanted Smite to feel like
autumn field
i tried league once, it felt... really akward?
toxic gulch
like normally that would be TEDIOUS AS HELL but it was SO MUCH FUN in deadlock
ivory reef
like in dota, what roles do heroes have? I dunno whatever man. like you can just play anybody anywhere as long as it works. some years we even do trilanes. it just works.
granite heath
<@203733729577926656>
now post the sproink yoink
vast sandal
Poking people in lane feels uhhh kinda fun in Deadlock
autumn field
i love graves
ivory reef
now post the sproink yoink
wait what video is that one...
autumn field
she feels insanely good to play
rich grove
the cs minigame is also literally an aim trainer which is incredibly funny
vast sandal
In League it felt like trying to wrestle a lubricated python
rich grove
🫵 play your pasu scenario.
vestal trench
deadlock is a game where getting away from someone can feel like hitting a clip
autumn field
you basically cannot build wrong
ivory reef
tommy I dunno if I recorded that
toxic gulch
farming is somehow fun in deadlock
ivory reef
😭
vast sandal
It hates you and is trying to kill you, also it’s impossible to get a damn grip on
toxic gulch
or at least fun for me
finite grotto
i love graves
ye me too
autumn field
there's no "lose conditional" for graves
vast sandal
And whats that? There’s an asshole coming out of the bush you didn’t see coming
toxic gulch
i like hitting boxes and statues and murdering people randomly in the jungle
autumn field
like, most people have buttons that can be fucked up
toxic gulch
maybe cus boxes are literally skinnerboxes with inconsistent rewards but hey
theres a lotta boxes so
free dopamine hits
autumn field
keep your range on a victor and he cant do anything
rich grove
I got to the point recently where I can just unconsciously parry people going for raw heavy melees as a layer 0 like blinking and it's so fucking funny every time
ivory reef
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux9U2PCXv-M wait found it
toxic gulch
if someone is alone and vulnerable i, as drifter, get to punish that and its SO FUN
toxic gulch
i love being on the edges and punishing people splitting up
ivory reef
called lane swap detection
finite grotto
I need to keep reminding myself tha I can actually parry
ivory reef
to detect if you guys were breaking the designer intended gameplay
and it would lock the lanes down and hurt you for it
that's like. that's sorta what league design kinda is
in microcosm
vestal trench
if we see you trying to be emergent we're gonna hit you with a big stick
toxic gulch
and then as drifter if people are being smart and not splitting up im still really good at causing chaos with the rest of my abilities
vast sandal
bruh what
ivory reef
bruh what
yeah.
yeah..
I was shocked when I heard about it too
riot design is endlessly spooky to me
autumn field
christ that mechanic sucks and i dont even play league
finite grotto
Ok i have to kindap ush back here a bit
granite heath
you can't laneswap????
autumn field
i used to play valorant but christ, that game was like...
vast sandal
see DotA had the vibes of a game I could've gotten into but I looked at it and kinda went "this is cool but I don't have friends who play DotA and this would be such a rabbithole to learn"
autumn field
ohhhhh
ivory reef
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux9U2PCXv-M wait found it
6:30 onwards
for the lane swap detection thing
ivory reef
you can't laneswap????
yeah you can't because riot games said so
vast sandal
but I have already played some hero shooters in my life, this game has only been baking for a little bit, and I have friends who were like "yeah hop on Deadlock dude"
dusky flume
I've known family members who played League. They get very...road-ragey...in matches, which didn't exactly endear me to trying it.
vast sandal
so I'm kinda in
autumn field
if deadlock had lanes, how tf would they work
toxic gulch
i enjoy hopping on deadlock
vast sandal
if deadlock had lanes, how tf would they work
it has lanes
toxic gulch
deadlock has lanes
autumn field
like, league lanes
vast sandal
there's three lanes
toxic gulch
3 of em
ivory reef
I've known family members who played League. They get very...road-ragey...in mat...
yes many people ran into league as their first ever competitive game and became total goons
toxic gulch
oh
dusky flume
I've already had enough stress in my life to deal with. I think some of the characters are aesthetically neat, like Gwen, but I didn't think it outweighted the apparent horrorshow?
toxic gulch
yeah well i guess the fact that theres 6 characters instead of 5 changes things
dusky flume
I feel like an ass saying this, because I'm ultimately speaking as an outsider
finite grotto
The lane swaplock is mainly a mechanic meant for pro play and has usually little to like no impact for soloq
vast sandal
okay but why are we designing the game around pro play
edgy fog
She got a joisey accent
finite grotto
/was implemented to due pro trends
vast sandal
let the pros do stuff
toxic gulch
im pretty alright at dealing with toxicity in deadlock
finite grotto
it is controversial for sure
rich grove
dota is also balanced pretty heavy for pro play lol
autumn field
okay but why are we designing the game around pro play
riot.
ivory reef
I feel like an ass saying this, because I'm ultimately speaking as an outsider
kres I don't like league but league is not like uniquely positioned to be toxic it was just one of the earliest games to catch people before they could prepare themselves mentally as kids
toxic gulch
one time a venator was so mad i whiffed a vyper ult that he kept insulting me about it for the entire rest of the game
autumn field
it's because its Riot games
ivory reef
the reality is you should just play games with friends who aren't wankers
toxic gulch
people be crazy sometimes
rich grove
valve did absolutely say "please stop doing trilanes" no
toxic gulch
oh yeah tru
autumn field
like genuinely
frail jasper
trilanes are such an old meta lol
autumn field
every fucking patch for valorant is catered to the top 1% of players
ivory reef
valve did absolutely say "please stop doing trilanes" no
we've had a few pro games where 5 people go to one lane and destroy the tower before creeps spawn
frail jasper
back in MY day...
ivory reef
it's a weird world
vast sandal
we've had a few pro games where 5 people go to one lane and destroy the tower be...
oh invasion my beloved
we're so back
vestal trench
deathball
rich grove
I mean it's a really bad idea
vast sandal
jg blue buff invade was the funnest thing about league when I played it
rich grove
it was like bottom seed against Chinese Megagod of Dota and they did lose, if we're thinking of the same one
they just did it to troll
toxic gulch
sigh still at college, excited to get back home and hop on drifter and eat somebody again
autumn field
we've had a few pro games where 5 people go to one lane and destroy the tower be...
street brawl
rich grove
but it is extremely funny that you could troll like that at all
finite grotto
every fucking patch for valorant is catered to the top 1% of players
which tbf is also not really true for league itself where it is a constant war between pros being mad at patches for low elo and vice versa
vast sandal
is there any goofy ahh invasion strat like that in deadlock actually
I know Rem going hunting for their Sinners is a thing
rich grove
deadlock also got an extremely heavy lane swap penalty to prevent soaking
wayyyyyy back in the day
finite grotto
and even then league is a really fucking tightly balanced game for positive and negative
magic summit
One of the only brute force mechanics like the league one mentioned i can think of it like
rich grove
like 2024 back in the day
autumn field
also i really want apollo to have like, an inverse cone of attack
ivory reef
yeah dota isn't fully free of articial top down stuff to prevent degenerate play. we do have backdoor protection systems
rich grove
nowadays the economy is radically different in general but deadlock was not immune to the devs going 'hey hey hey okay.'
rich grove
and specifically for pro play, too
magic summit
And even that is something 99% of people will never notice
autumn field
super wide at point blank, single dot at say, 15~18 meters
toxic gulch
~~street brawl~~
street brawl is genuinely fun
rich grove
nobody else was doing soul soaking because soaking in a pug game was just condemning the other guy to death lmao
toxic gulch
i love street brawl
frail jasper
I know Rem going hunting for their Sinners is a thing
really it's anyone's job, but you do it after you've secured the lane by pushing your wave up
granite heath
every fucking patch for valorant is catered to the top 1% of players
Because if you're not balancing for this, then you're warping the skill ceiling of the game.
If [Thing] gets balanced around the mid-level skill, then players who are better at [Thing] will overperform at it.
toxic gulch
when i want to play some deadlock but i dont wanna spend 50 minutes on a game i just play street brawl
finite grotto
also i really want apollo to have like, an inverse cone of attack
so a triangle?
frail jasper
rem just does sinners theft best because he can do it without hp cost (or do it 2x as fast)
toxic gulch
great for getting my gaming in but also is short
autumn field
so a triangle?
yuh
rich grove
rem can also, importantly, not stay there
autumn field
but a triangle is lso a shotgun
toxic gulch
rem is so funny for taking so much sinners
dusky flume
I honestly thought swapping lanes was a general no-no in mobas?
finite grotto
I could see appolo with old aatrox e
toxic gulch
rem cant really do the whole "getting perma buffs" with his little guys
granite heath
Rem is so funny
toxic gulch
but damn those little guys are good for chores
rich grove
it turns out if you do not have to stay in the enemy's side of the map, you will die less as a result
granite heath
"[Nuance] sounds like a big word."
autumn field
I honestly thought swapping lanes was a general no-no in mobas?
for deadlock i dont think thats true
toxic gulch
rem's good
finite grotto
I honestly thought swapping lanes was a general no-no in mobas?
atleast in league it is basically only a pro strat cause it requires coordination
finite grotto
or you just get you ass beaten and ask nicely in chat
autumn field
i see lots of my lanes going everywhere
toxic gulch
lanes rotate a bunch once the early game is done in my experience
like
after a guardian is down people start schmoving around
its wild
magic summit
In Dota you should expect to see everyone coming from other lanes by like. 6 minutes
autumn field
yeah guardian just fucking turns lane into a joke
toxic gulch
Yeah
rich grove
as people get better, they also just take lane faster and rotate more
toxic gulch
Which I’m fine with tbh
magic summit
Dota so quickly turns into the cluster fuck
toxic gulch
The way I see it early game is when lanes are harder locked and then afterwards shit gets wild
rich grove
your gpm in deadlock also scales extremely aggressively with your skill level and map knowledge because of boxes and jg
toxic gulch
That’s when you go rice farming for enormous amounts of grain to feed your entire kingdom
autumn field
the second i get splitshot the economy is doomed
granite heath
I honestly thought swapping lanes was a general no-no in mobas?
In Deadlock, it can be important to make sure everyone is paired up. There's also the slight "urn always starts on yellow lane" balance.
But in Dota sometimes matchups can be brutally bad, to the point that you need to swap your heroes around. Or maybe you're swapping around to be the dominating lane instead.
autumn field
deny everything
ivory reef
mobility is actually lower in deadlock than dota
autumn field
confirm everything
rich grove
watching deathy's random pug team be at 40k on average 25 minutes into a game compared to me being maybe 30k at that while I'm rolling is pretty wild
ivory reef
dota has tp scrolls
we simply teleport between lanes to respond mid gank
like if you can't kill my friend in 5 seconds i will kill you
i am already teleporting in
toxic gulch
My understanding of how to play deadlock is pushing advantages as far as you can and denying as many opportunities as possible
rich grove
I mean that's true as just a general rule of competitive games
rich grove
winnerer is gooder loserer is badder
toxic gulch
Like murder is an aspect but
toxic gulch
I gotta switch my brain off from killing people as much as possible and instead focusing on stealing their farms out from under them
rich grove
this kind of concept also applies to more trad fps games as well honestly
toxic gulch
Like a little rat
rich grove
it's just a general high level understanding thing for any game where you fight over territory
toxic gulch
Yeah
granite heath
You can do giveitem upgrade_split_shot to demo Celeste with Split Shot
finite grotto
one thing I am not sure yet i like about deadlock is that for swapping very early you gotta pause for everyone and then ask in chat etc. I feel like there shuld be a smoother way for that to happen. Like putting synergistic character together atm outside of like high high elo i feel is super ignored atm
rich grove
e.g. power weapon rotations in quake
autumn field
dota sounds incredibly fun and not fun at the same time
toxic gulch
Nodnod
rich grove
the cart in ovw/tf2 or uber ad/ult gain
and then the ever-present ghost of Map Control looming over everyone
toxic gulch
But yeah I’ve really enjoyed deadlock it’s really clicking with me
autumn field
one thing I am not sure yet i like about deadlock is that for swapping very earl...
people need like, 20~ seconds to chat early game
ivory reef
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fatvJWktkXw here's me going "haha they're trying to kill me please teleport in to save me" and you can see reactive teleports from my team on the bottom left of the screen at 0:30
finite grotto
I might need to try dota again but last time i tried it I felt so not in tune with turning but i prob should try sometime
dusky flume
I was told once you had to just "know" ahead of time which lane you were doing depending on the character, and doing anything different was an quick way to piss your team off/make them disconnect
ivory reef
and then my whole team is here and we kill them all
rich grove
stand by for titanfall
dusky flume
(Talking League, for context)
finite grotto
ye like 20 or 30 sec before the game to sort out lanes would be nice
rich grove
RAMPAGE
finite grotto
I was told once you had to just "know" ahead of time which lane you were doing d...
when was that cause you queue in with the role/lane preselected
rich grove
you know how mirage is just in the most annoying spaces at all times because he presses 4
what if every single character was that
finite grotto
also the are prob gonna change the banning i assume?
warped ridge
like that's probably the key difference that makes a moba different from like, o...
Yeah it's why I like extraction shooters, and am so desperately coping that Marathon is going to be good
rich grove
at some point we'll probably get an actual draft phase instead
granite heath
(my carry ignored me)
that's probably me, not sorry
finite grotto
ye i assume so
ivory reef
rich grove
and during that I figure people will be able to get their pre-game negotiations for lane allocation as well
ivory reef
https://tenor.com/view/backup-reinforcements-protoss-legacy-of-the-void-pylon-gi...
when the enemy team bullies me
rich grove
very logical space to put it imo, easy to run it simultaneously
autumn field
I hope it changes a little in the future
warped ridge
you know that's a good point, Deadlock if you spawncamp them at beginning can you actually get good value out of it?
finite grotto
looking at the heroes
i think i have never played against sinclair in 30 hours
or maybe once
warped ridge
like Deadlock the first deaths are like 5 second timers
vast sandal
Rubick
rich grove
not even
autumn field
I like how queues work though
rich grove
it's just his 1
finite grotto
that does make me wanna try them
rich grove
his 1 is so completely unintuitive to aim and shoot for a newcomer that it can just wall you altogether
dusky flume
when was that cause you queue in with the role/lane preselected
Come to think, it was odd in hindsight but I didn't question it much
rich grove
I would highly recommend inting some games in street brawl just spamming 1 over and over til you get the hang of it cause otherwise you're missing out so much value
finite grotto
I assume sinclair is also kinda mega nerfed atm by the format since you gotta blind pick them into teams instead of choosing them if enemy has good ults
rich grove
ehhh most teams have something going on
finite grotto
true true
autumn field
What’s sinclair’s one again?
rich grove
graves' omnipresence in the format makes sure you have at least something generally tbh
rich grove
it's also just kind of a rule that people do be playing characters with good ults
oh, rem also is an incredible ult
autumn field
graves' omnipresence in the format makes sure you have at least something genera...
Counterpoint: Flying Reverse lifestrike technique: 6 stamina graves
(joke)
rich grove
there are definitely worse team comps to be going into like a stacked team of pure gun carries or something
autumn field
Crushing fist graves would be so fucking funny though
rich grove
but at that point they have the issue of being a team of entirely gun carries lmfao
finite grotto
oh is vexing bolt kinda like harder wraith 1?
autumn field
The 6 stamina graves would be so fucking funny though
severe loom
It's uh, it's Zoe Q from League? I think?
rich grove
my general tip is to not get caught in the trap of shooting it directly up then at them, which is a common brainfart I see people doing so they can get max ramp damage
finite grotto
and his 2 is like loki 2 got it
rich grove
you should just generally be shooting it in their general direction, then flick to where you think they're going to roll
severe loom
You fire it once, you can redirect it once and it goes faster towards the target
rich grove
the slow travel speed at first is when you get to build up the damage
alternately, just wait and bait them into dodging first, then quickly flick to them
finite grotto
It's uh, it's Zoe Q from League? I think?
ohh ye it is
rich grove
it's going to feel awful at first because you're just going to be beefing over and over again, wondering why the fuck it redirected towards you or away from you or any number of things
ivory reef
@rich grove @mild flume new hero celeste has psi blades
I think we've figured it out in testing
she has autoattacks that bounce in a cone behind the first target
toxic gulch
im hyped to try celeste
ivory reef
she's templar assassin
rich grove
but as you get practice you're going to realise this is a giant magical nuke that you can pilot around corners and duplicate for double damage
ivory reef
templar assassin psi blades + chain frost
rich grove
it feels amazing to fuckin Get someone running away with a pre-emptive bolt coming in to meet them right as they come down
finite grotto
three dimensional zoe q hurts my brain wtf
rich grove
it's just. really, really annoying to learn
and until you learn it you're going to basically just be rabbit/ult bot
but if you don't learn it, you're missing out on such a ridiculous amount of potential damage that you're playing a third of the character
upbeat perch
wait is her delayed hit skill a err.... sunstrike?
rich grove
the way you phrased that made me think you were getting out a pocket book and thumbing through it really fast
I don't think so, cause sunstrike is globally placed
lavish shale
wait is her delayed hit skill a err.... sunstrike?
Not nearly as delayed, and not global
rich grove
that's kind of the core differentiator between it and other delayed damage nukes
ivory reef
it's leora sunstrike yeah
finite grotto
but if you don't learn it, you're missing out on such a ridiculous amount of pot...
when you reactivate onto a hero i assume it doesnt like slightly home or something or has control like wraith 1
rich grove
when you reactivate onto a hero i assume it doesnt like slightly home or somethi...
if you want your brain to explode, try redirecting a bolt to a point above a target's head.
then try redirecting a bolt to a point below that target.
upbeat perch
the way you phrased that made me think you were getting out a pocket book and th...
it kinda was, cause i've so far been only referring to that spell as 天火 and NEVER learned its english name
rich grove
like just aim at the target, then immediately look down
if you do this the bolt will magically aim towards the enemy's present position
it is mindboggling and completely unlisted behavior that there's an entire piece of tracking functionality built into the skill that only triggers if you look at a point below the target on your screen
finite grotto
does the bolt have a range? like can you shoot it straight up and then just rain it down
finite grotto
hmhm
rich grove
shoot it at them first so they have the minimal time to react when you redirect it
big part of increasing its effectiveness is specifically never ever ever firing it straight up, you don't need to do that to hit the max damage rampup timer
finite grotto
or pretend to miss and then hit em from behind/ a camera blindspot
rich grove
you can do something similar to wraith where you aim at where the shop is through the wall, and if you time it when the bolt is sufficiently far away it will come around and splash the shop from behind
finite grotto
also wtf is that reload sound o nthe wand
rich grove
it's magic
oh yeah, the other thing: assistant does bananas damage in lane
place it down like you would a mcginnis turret and fire alongside it to ensure both you and the turret have a clean sightline to the target
you'll do like 250 damage from a mag of m1 at level 0
you save level points for bolt the way you would e.g. vindicta snipe even though you don't unlock it first. you always always always want to time the cooldowns such that you're barraging with bolts while your assistant is up, so that the assistant will also bolt your target
finite grotto
hmhm
rich grove
the rest is relatively self explanatory imo: rabbit hex is a delayed circle of disgusting cc, excellent for contesting mid, and ult steal has way more range than you would expect
you can kinda just hover the edge of a teamfight looking for a good victim of a Heated Rubick Moment and then grab them with basically nothing they can do about it
finite grotto
there is now like indicator or sound that lets you know when a bolt is liek fully charged is there
rich grove
your itemization will often include at least one item specifically bought for the purpose of increasing the stolen ult's effectiveness: warp stone for dynamo/lash ults, greater expansion for pocket/rem
nah not really, it'll glow a little more intensely but you just kind of have to vibe it
and remember that even a partially charged bolt that hits is more damage than a fully charged bolt that whiffs
people will learn to be frightened of your 1 because again, as soon as you hit rr + surge you are just throwing homing atom bombs down the lane
you know how bad it feels to get spiked for 400 at 8 minutes
and then they just do it two more times
sinclairheimer is real
so if they start panic dodging don't wait and give them time to get another dodge, just redirect and blast em
dusky flume
I wanted to play more with Billy today, but this headache's killing me. Still feel a little proud of carrying that one match. I ult, I murder good.
finite grotto
it is mindboggling and completely unlisted behavior that there's an entire piece...
that is so weird huh
rich grove
yeah it's fucking inexplicable
don't ask me why this works, sinclair is just like that
somber creek
Uses HL 1 homing missle coding
rich grove
NO LITERALLY THOUGH
finite grotto
so you fire his 1 then reactivate the 1 with the enemy indicator and then instantly after you reactivate look at their feet and then it kinda course corrects?
rich grove
nah it's "if you redirect while looking under them then the homing kicks in"
rich grove
merry verge
Most kills and most assists, Doorman truly be everywhere
dusky flume
Doorman's cool, though I don't feel too confident in trying him yet
merry verge
He's way easier for me than everyone folks says are easy idk why
I can't play the like
usual guys
I can't aim anything automatic worth a DAMN
p much like my only good character
finite patrol
doorman rewards your inner fae
merry verge
Also just like 5th fastest movespeed and best dashes and other than Portal Shenanigans kit isn't super complicated
finite grotto
oh also am i tripping or is sinclairs model like way older then some others
feels a lil whacky
merry verge
I think we can still see like model errors half the time Sinclair bends
but I do think he's (they're?) meant to be a Strange Mannequin Thing
Just really.. unpolished
severe loom
They're in a robot body as far as I know
And yes, it is they, they are two people inhabiting the same body and not getting along despite the biggest possible get along shirt being put on them
(I would be upset too if I got killed during a magic trick by my spouse's mistake which they refuse to own up to and instead blame me for)
rich grove
I just want sinclair to get a model swap when the wife is piloting
merry verge
Bebop was invited because he is very polite
finite patrol
what thr bobot doin
severe loom
I want the model swap to be exclusive to the spectral assistant
Being the opposite one as the pilot
rich grove
yeah it's weird that it's just lady geist
like it's literally just a lady geist model with transparency effects
not that henry sinclair can't be a little gnc with it.
merry verge
I never noticed.. not enough Sinclairs
Well, I mean, exactly enough sinclairs, i just never noticed
dusky flume
Venator gives me a John Shootman vibe
rich grove
venator is maybe the most vanilla ass john quake ass character in the game
merry verge
John Shootman but he's got an accent
severe loom
Venator could be the protagonist of a PS3 shooter that had a little more sauce than the real games of the era
merry verge
Do love his little eheheheheh when kicking a trap out
rich grove
dooohohohoho
merry verge
silly little guy havin fun at war
warm sonnet
Most stable friar
dusky flume
He shoot guns for the Lord, I'd assume
lavish grove
Man chat, I’m really bummed, pocket is referred to by He in one of Celeste’s kill lines. I really do hope it was a mistake and that the whole “they’re just using them because they’re hiding their identity” isn’t true
I really like pocket being non-binary
warm sonnet
Celeste confirmed to be gender conformist
lavish grove
Lol
I did know about pocket being referred to as a son by their father already but like, I sorta just assumed that pocket’s dad would be transphobic
They’re the ceo of magic Lockheed Martin it didn’t feel out of character
warm sonnet
Max von Fairfax is, by every measure you can count, a bastardman
dusky flume
Just doing this all match as Ven
lavish grove
Yah
warm sonnet
Yah
finite patrol
I really hope when sinclair's model/anims get finished if you use spectral assistant and swap to it you become savannah until you swap again
and then Sinclair is the assistant
magic summit
Henry
finite patrol
Henry yeah
somber creek
Mina officially more woke than Celeste
lavish grove
Mina officially more woke than Celeste
She may hate pocket but she respects their identity
dusky flume
She drinks the blood of the innocent, but always uses their proper pronouns
magic summit
Man chat, I’m really bummed, pocket is referred to by He in one of Celeste’s kil...
Did you hear this in game? I tried triggering a voice line from that to see but I could not, though I did get a voice line specific one on kill that was "They had a sad look in their eyes"
lavish grove
Did you hear this in game? I tried triggering a voice line from that to see but ...
I did yah
I killed a Pocket in training range and got that line
Maybe I did mishear though
I’d be happy to be wrong
magic summit
Well I've repeated it about 20 times or so and gotten about three different kill lines that proc from getting first blood on them
None of which are they referred to as he
rich grove
what do you MEAN she was hitting childrens' birthday parties with her spirit nuke
😭
not the mercurial magnum procs on little timmy
autumn field
She may hate pocket but she respects their identity
“HIS PRONOUNS ARE THEY THEM”
short quiver
Maybe I did mishear though
You're right
ivory reef
Man chat, I’m really bummed, pocket is referred to by He in one of Celeste’s kil...
oh you should report that to the devs actually
sounds like a mistake
granite heath
synth huh
lavish grove
You're right
Man
lavish grove
oh you should report that to the devs actually
Also yah, I will
ivory reef
feel free to +1 my thread
i'm not sure you can even see other people's posts in the private forums
so who knows how many others mentioned this
maybe you should just mention it separately yourself
lavish grove
I will once I’m back on my computer
bleak thicket
Hmm
@ivory reef probably knows?
vast sandal
LOL
rich grove
Is it IAD slide?
gotta be
lavish grove
Looks like the line was a mistake
YEEEEEEAH
short quiver
It'll probably get fixed soon
lavish grove
I wonder if they’ll re-record it immediately or just remove it for now
The latter is probably easier
Celeste’s lines were likely recorded a while ago
finite patrol
Is it IAD slide?
yes, though edge boost slide probably faster if you're in the right position
rich grove
without any other special features like shiv m2boosting
or yeah cornerboost/edgeboosting then your best generic ground covering option would be iad
it's just like we're still in fight club
😭
bleak thicket
I assume they'll re record
rich grove
"yeah so you have to modify your routing if you're in the corner" is an entirely logical and correct sentence in both deadlock and most fighting games
ivory reef
Is it IAD slide?
Without a cornerboost of some kind, flat ground? Hmm. I think diagonal dash slide, I don't think the air version is faster until you get stam mastery
rich grove
i thought air side-dash was always faster regardless
edgy fog
Ricochet on Celeste makes everything sparkly
finite grotto
I got parried seven times on quick melees last game 😭 Woe is me ignore me playing billy
ivory reef
Hmm okay
I checked
You can only diagonal dash with an air dash which is duh I knew that I dunno why I said diagonal ground
short quiver
I wonder if they’ll re-record it immediately or just remove it for now
Fine with either
It would not look great to have the game's most visibly trans-coded character be transphobic
rich grove
oh no
finite patrol
so if u just walked up a set of stairs iad is slower?
ivory reef
I know that it becomes basically correct to air dash everywhere once you get stam mastery
finite patrol
and if youre sprinting its faster
ivory reef
Yeah or if you're like sliding backwards
And want to dash forward
Better to ground it
finite patrol
this game is so fucked up
finite grotto
Movement scares me. I really do need to take time for like a proper look into it
finite patrol
3 habits to get into early:
- jump after sliding to maintain momentum and slide more
- heavy melee to grab ledges
- crouch after climbing up something to slide
rich grove
heavy melee ledge grab is fucked up
you're gonna think "oh there's no way I'm high enough to grab that with a heavy melee"
nope
finite patrol
you're gonna think "oh there's no way I'm high enough to grab that with a heavy ...
yeah its way more effective than it looks like it would be
finite grotto
3 habits to get into early:
- jump after sliding to maintain momentum and slide ...
I really need to find a more comfy button for crouching
finite patrol
I unfortunately have 300 hours of muscle memory of ctrl but if I wanted to relearn id bind it to a thumb button
rich grove
yeah I just have it on a thumb button
night and day difference having it on mouse5
so good
finite grotto
Ye might have to replace my 3 then onto somewhere else as it's on the more comfy thumb button
Really do gotta make a key testing sesh
dusky flume
I got into the rhythm of moving, parrying and dashing, but my hands tend to get panicky once a fight starts. I'm still getting used to putting everything to memory.
At the least, I know not to jump on a zipline
vapid ember
spent the past 4 hours torturing people on mo & krill with my celeste duo
I love this character lol
vestal hearth
dusky flume
spent the past 4 hours torturing people on mo & krill with my celeste duo
What did Mo & Krill do to you?
frail jasper
Just played a Rem/Silver duo into Abrams/Mo&Krill.
I don't think it can get any more aggro-beefy, but Silver and I somehow consistently stuffed their every attempt.
frail jasper
Slam Fire does huge work and me putting helpers on the heal troopers kept ruining their ability to regenerate during/after fights.
frail jasper
it's such a good 3.2k item
gray otter
ok so
i want to play this game but have no idea who to play
i cannot aim for shit, and i cannot farm for shit\
bleak thicket
aiming can be mitigated by hero choice
rest is learnable
people here can point you to a ton of guides
gray otter
characters whose designs i like include: celeste, graves, mina, and paige
and silver
most recent batch of characters has been GREAT
merry verge
i'm done playing until they fix celeste i think
gray otter
whats up with celeste
merry verge
that's every single game she's gone like 18/0
innately better mobility than every other character is just insane to me
like baseline
i don't get it
vapid ember
whats up with celeste
I would not worry about other peoples issues with the game rn, especially with balance
gray otter
oooh shes fast
vapid ember
its a alpha so fixes and changes come really fast
raven spindle
celeste literally just came out five hours ago, counterplay hasn't fully formed and Also they patch things within hours to days
vapid ember
with her just Being Faster Than You
every character in this game is fast* tbf
bleak thicket
innately better mobility than every other character is just insane to me
it's been 5 hours
give them time to make changes, give players time to adapt, ill ask you refrain on making comments on new characters
and i do mean aim in particular
vapid ember
https://medal.tv/games/deadlock/clips/m5uaC8gqckYL02lHp?invite=cr-MSx3M3csOTQ2OTM2NQ&v=30 me and my main duo are just doing evil shit to people with celeste + M&K
merry verge
sorry i can't be ceaselessly positive about it i'll stop
raven spindle
it's not about being positive all the time, you just don't need to keep engaging in smth that is making you miserable
vapid ember
https://medal.tv/games/deadlock/clips/m5uaC8gqckYL02lHp?invite=cr-MSx3M3csOTQ2OT...
who was talking about mo & krill here btw? Silver?
what a weird voice line
vivid nimbus
Yeah a lot of characters have voice lines for getting MnK ulted
frail jasper
M&k is a single target long duration stun plus okay damage. Really the value is that everyone else can still dogpile on them too
earnest verge
I'm reminded of when Silver came out and people were screaming about her being overpowered and she literally has had the lowest win rate in the game as long as she's been out and I just
Cannot take these snap calls seriously from effectively internet randoms
ivory reef
sorry i can't be ceaselessly positive about it i'll stop
yes genuinely just stop
vapid ember
oh is that fucking warwick ult
M&K is a supporty initiator with a silence, lots of healing and warwick ult, his burrow is a knockup that lets him move really fast and hard to hit