would be fucked up if you could yeah
#Deadlock
finite patrol
rich grove
if he had UNLIMITED TUNNEL PASS i don't think a halfway decent rem would die a single time in most matches
granite heath
ah but thresh, I am not a halfway decent rem
rich grove
that's fine I'm not halfway decent at anyone
I barely got socks on let alone underwear
finite grotto
damm the room beneath mid is op
finite grotto
calico stonks
lavish shale
tried out Rem
having the minions just do sinners for you is really nice
rich grove
when they're doing sinners on the OTHER side of the map it's goated counterjungling
when they're yoinking sinners from my fat ass, death penalty
lavish shale
yeah but in my games no one does sinners anyway 😛
rich grove
truke 
lavish shale
except when my teammate comes up while I do one, and does the last hit when I wait for the timing for the buffs
rich grove
you should be able to parry your teammate if they do that
lavish shale
yeah but in my games no one does sinners anyway 😛
I've been trying to do them more often myself now, for the buffs especially
rich grove
It's Free Real Estate!
lavish shale
getting a couple ammo, fire rate, or damage is really nice
t3 camps also give you buffs on clear, right?
rich grove
🤷♀️
I just never get the chance to do them cause Jimmy Cultsac is always in my games
twilit roost
t3 camps also give you buffs on clear, right?
No only sinners
Fun fact it only gives one buff if you get the timing down but light melee instead of heavy, only really comes up if you're stealing enemy sinners
dusky flume
I have to ask, do people disconnect a lot in matches, or was I just unlucky?
rich grove
🤷
lavish shale
No only sinners
Weird, I thought I got one one time
finite grotto
Ok I have 4 heroes now that I can solidly put in a rotation yay
plain furnace
Are there any netcode regular problems ? Because I’ve had my faire share of rollbacks/forward in the l1st few weeks. Around once pr twice per game. Might be my internet (since I also saw it, even worse, on Marvel Rivals), but a friend had the same thing tonight
finite patrol
autumn field
How does one play Yamato
I was messing around and I think I got her slash to like, 750~ damage
I think I get my Doorman to deal about 550~ per bell, plus impact damage
rich grove
yamato's kit is pretty self explanatory
you go in on people with 2, hit 3 then fully charge 1 as they're shitting themselves running away
autumn field
Im fairly aware of how she works but im not sure if im missing something
rich grove
rinse and repeat until enemy team is dead
the rest is just positioning/gamesense for taking your 1s/itemization to counter their counters or not die etc
autumn field
Mmm
I was playing some street brawl and I couldn’t help but think Doorman is way more consistent to me
merry verge
They're very different if bursty
twilit roost
I mean full honesty streetbrawl does not equal an actual game
autumn field
Yeah I know I lack the skill to play Yama wholly
rich grove
can't stress enough that the two are basically entirely separate gamemodes
the ability to play gun doorman and spirit doorman alone would obviously make him more consistent
meanwhile gun yamato is pretty much relegated to pure meme
merry verge
We can't portal urns anymore give the headshot damage back
autumn field
I play pure spirit doorman usually
rich grove
gunman is still good
autumn field
He’s a little harder in normal
But I’m fine
inb4 they grant Billy’s wish but all they do is give him reading comprehension and a library
dusky flume
Thought about giving Venator and Yamato a try
merry verge
They both fun, Ven could maybe move some ult power to other bits of his kit
same with Silver maybe
somber creek
There's a really weird bug I have
Where only in regular games, I get horrible fucking stuttering
renders the game borderline unplayable
COMPLETELY fine in Street Brawl
edgy fog
I love being in street brawl as Rem
specially when you're building decent amounts of health, and suddenly the enemy is trying to kill you
and you're just a little bean being chased around by a bunch of very mad enemies
I got slowed but not stunned and all four enemies were hammering on me and my allies were dead... so I put a helper on a minion, then can use your nap ability on it, immediately getting me health
magic summit
How does one play Yamato
You have to learn how her weird combos work. Hold down the alt-fire while you are grappling to instantly hit it on them. Or how momentum lets you move during your Power Slash, such as off the zipline, after a dash or if you cancel your grapple while you are at max velocity
Also realize that going too much just on slash is an easy way to make yourself do zero damage once they buy Counterspell and Spellbreaker
You unfortunately are a character with zero disengage and no utility
So learning how to lane well on her is pretty important
Luckily she is a very good lane bully
rich grove
on the plus side: you kind of have to try to be losing lane as yamato
one of the better anti-healing rite tools in the game, free resto/mystic shot procs off her m2 also, great nukes, 3 also slows fire rate inherently making it great for laning against m1s
stellar tower diver
magic summit
It also helps to be away of power spikes on her more than some other people
rich grove
what da 4.8k doin
magic summit
The moment you get tier 3 Power Slash or Crimson Slash you have a lot of ability to just pressure people cause it suddenly becomes very hard to engage with you
Also as a general rule if losing focus on damage, if winning focus on defense
rich grove
hhhhhuh
magic summit
Such as if you are winning hard on her probably get Colossus instead of Boundless Spirit
autumn field
COMPLETELY fine in Street Brawl
SAME
magic summit
Colossus+Counterspell or Unstoppable is like a simulacrum of having a second ult
magic summit
Which is why I also buy Refresher with those and just be immortal for like 30 seconds
magic summit
Runic Gauntlets
rich grove
very maroon 5 of you tbh
somber creek
A friend does have the mod that makes Silver's ult do the maroon 5 howl
rich grove
maybe the single funniest piece of brainrot to come out of the game thus far because it legit sounds exactly like john maroon
magic summit
Unfortunate I am not on the Yamato leaderboards anymore, I need to play her more again to get back on
rich grove
your yamato thought leadership license got revoked
somber creek
The only person I know on the leaderboards is my friend blessed who is the
top 600 lash?
I think he got up to low 400s
finite grotto
ohh you just get a free reload in during haze ult??
oh wait you have to get the autoreload from 0 for it to reload during haze ult. weird!
granite heath
I like it when games go long enough I have enough spare souls to slot in Refresher as my 13th item, use it, then re-buy whatever I sold for it
finite grotto
damm i really cannot ult anywhere near venator as haze
autumn field
I didn’t get to go crazy mostly cuz I suffered from like, 5,000,000 ping
mild flume
Are there any netcode regular problems ? Because I’ve had my faire share of roll...
I get rollback occasionally if I play on high ping servers
but thats the nature of it
frail jasper
I frequently have net jitter but have just learned to accept that it's a permanent obstacle for me that occasionally ruins whatever it is I'm trying to do at the moment.
finite grotto
ahh thank god ult is not all that haze can do
mild flume
Also as a general rule if losing focus on damage, if winning focus on defense
yoiu think hmm
I felt like when losing defense is important so your team still has people surviving in front
edgy fog
... I just did the sleep/spirit snatch/pillow combo in street brawl. Didn't kill the two champs I hit but it was a massive damage. Very fun
frail jasper
yoiu think hmm
if you're already winning it's probably because you're not having any trouble getting kills, so it's more important to make sure you don't get killed and give the losing team that comeback bonus.
finite grotto
suffice to say game not going well
rich grove
yamato also probably just suffers less from the "you get chain-stunned into death" because ult unstop gives you at least some fighting chance
but with other characters you just can't take fights sometimes without buying some kind of counter-item or you just get nuked and die
rich grove
the squishy/mina MU without some kind of spirit shielding or the ilk you just die for existing
magic summit
I felt like when losing defense is important so your team still has people survi...
My opinion is that if you are losing they aren't building as much resists for you and it is better to try to actually do damage, versus just buying to be a moving bullet target for a few seconds longer. I think you should still get counter items, like Counterspell or Metal Skin or something, but Yamato just doesn't have utility unfortunately
But also she's only like, my tertiary pick so she isn't my main
rich grove
it helps that all the counter items yamato buys allow you to kill people better
finite grotto
Pls ignore that one awkward numberon my stats.... (mega embarrassing)
rough game for sure
warped ridge
god damn I am awful on Silver apparently
finite grotto
ohh you can activate fury trance during haze ult and it doesnt cancel it 
finite grotto
same kidna with siphon right? (even tho i am not a big fan of it even on her i think)
frail jasper
Fury Trance irritates me cuz I'm a STAMINA USER not a STAND STILL AND SHOOTER
finite patrol
siphon is better on more heroes
like u can buy it on wraith and other carries with a high rof gun
but siphon is a little dumpy right now unless youre well ahead
finite grotto
nodnod
finite patrol
if youre 6400 ahead of the highest net worth on the enemy team siphon is REALLY good
rich grove
siphon is useful on fragile widdle babies who shoot their gun a lot
finite patrol
🙂↕️
frail jasper
🕯️ 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥 💥
finite patrol
Just had a game where me and drifter were 6 and 0 in lane with guardian 8 minutes in
warden and drifter notably not so good at taking advantage of leads
we still had blue guardian when we took shrines
frail jasper
drifter is terrible at taking advantage of leads because he wins lane in 7 minutes, comes out with +25% weapon damage, then gets caught up in the ego rush and tries to dive under a walker for four consecutive deaths to throw away the lead.
rich grove
warden would never leverage a soul lead in any way, famously
autumn field
I’m weird and play graves like I’m drifter
frail jasper
there's some degree of psycho you can be with graves and just do that
autumn field
I kill the entirety of the troopers, disappear, and appear behind doorman with 4 skellies, immobilize your ass, and then nuke you with auto-aim:yes
And it works really fucking well
finite patrol
warden would never leverage a soul lead in any way, famously
such an action would be below his honour
frail jasper
if you're good at managing your slides and stamina you just slither around like a laser-type vyper who tickles them to death until suddenly there's a half-dozen pickles floating around that instantly kill them
vestal hearth
mild flume
if you're already winning it's probably because you're not having any trouble ge...
oh yeah I agree there, its more the damage when behind I'm less sure about
mild flume
My opinion is that if you are losing they aren't building as much resists for yo...
yeah that makes sense, I guess I find that like not getting as easily picked you do damage and I see it as like
surviving to a second power slash
and enough that I can heal through stuff and etc
frail jasper
unless you're doing like shrek abrams or something and are just implicitly unkillable and that's your thing
autumn field
if you're good at managing your slides and stamina you just slither around like ...
I usually play early gun, late hyperspirit
Where I basically build like a Vyper would
frail jasper
I've a friend who plays green abrams and she likes to just... lock down an entire lane. They can't kill her, she gets 50k healing just from punching the heal troopers.
vestal hearth
Vyper is just down bad for anyone...
autumn field
Vyper is especially down bad for Lash
And so is Billy
And as far as I’m concerned both of them would call each other lash
vestal hearth
The monsters are bisexual.
autumn field
How long until we get a chimera in the game?
late hare
Vic, looking at the camera
autumn field
Lmao
vestal hearth
Do... Frankensteins count?
autumn field
But like, goat head bird wing lizard tail robot leg(????) kasane teto is what I mean
finite grotto
i am so bad at remebring to use slides for shooting
rich grove
it is extremely funny that across the cast that's interested in men, everyone just agrees mirage is (dohohoho) a smokeshow
late hare
I can see it for sure
random urchin
I mean vyper is pretty much down bad for anyone
frail jasper
Vyper is actually a freak.
vivid nimbus
Vyper is built different (derogatory)
frail jasper
random urchin
I wish her kit didnt require me to be good at movement so I could just onetrick her lol
late hare
Actually, now that you say it, I can’t really think of any interactions (except Shiv + Geist, maybe Fern + Holliday, and Lash in general) where anyone flirts with the fem cast
I guess that’s kind of a big list of exceptions
Oh, wait, Visc and LG
rich grove
I don't even think Viscous is strictly flirtatious, the hair smell thing just reads as a statement of fact
frail jasper
Absolutely. Viscous isn't flirting, he is too naive and pure-intentioned.
finite grotto
does every beepop just build different things man. fluid ass builds
finite patrol
he can be built many different ways yeah
edgy fog
When you have a leaver in street brawl does it give the people still in the game a buff?
Cause damn I was in a team of three that just walked right over the enemy real good.
somber creek
Bebop doesn't have a remotely coherent kit so you can kinda just build him however
edgy fog
Lightning scroll on Rem is powerful
warped ridge
I made a viscous rage quit by countering his 3 with silver's 2 lmao
autumn field
i love how deadlock is like, so fucking gay
glass flicker
Same
dusky flume
💯
autumn field
its interesting how a MOBA, the most fucking toxic type of game ever has the most diverse lineup ever and every single one of them is incredibly fuckable, except like, 3 of them
finite patrol
u telling me u dont wanna fuck slork
autumn field
im talking about about viscous (too innocent), and rem (it would be uncomfortable tbh, he's like a kid)
finite patrol
#porktheslork
autumn field
also graves reading wuthering implies heavily she's a high schooler
that's an AP English book they do in HS
vivid nimbus
Blackmore is a high school yeah
glass flicker
Yeah she’s a high schooler
autumn field
yeah
autumn field
finite patrol
Jan 26th, 2026 patch: added children
I like that the two kids in the game now are the afk super pusher macro characters
autumn field
confirmed under 21 tho
finite patrol
I think Apollo is going to be a kid as well?
vivid nimbus
Apollo is also a Blackmore student, and Mina is an alum
finite patrol
aha
autumn field
yeah graves learning under seven could be really fucking interesting tbh
vivid nimbus
Pocket might also be an alum, considering their status and implications about Blackmore being the big prestige school?
somber creek
She wouldn't say her Sophmore class if she was a sophmore
I'm gonna guess her and Apollo are gonna be Seniors who are 18
edgy fog
Last group of characters was all the sexy characters. All this ones are ones that don't do sexy things.
somber creek
Silver
finite patrol
have you seen venators critical portrait
edgy fog
And yes I include Venator in this. Man is a priest.
I find it hard to dispute Silver though yes
late hare
Silver and Celeste at a minimum
somber creek
Celeste does nothing for me
edgy fog
Celeste is a magical girl
edgy fog
I haven't seen the old one
glass flicker
I would summon the hidden king to look like her
somber creek
late hare
Rumor has it she will too
somber creek
old on left new on right
glass flicker
The differences aren’t huge but I kind of prefer left
I will force myself to learn how to play her properly
somber creek
The only thing I will say is that while I do think a lot of the character designs in this pass are really good
I do think we almost immediately abandoned the 1930s aesthetic
late hare
I mean, it’s already been kinda tenuous. Refer to Billy, kiiinda Mina and Paige depending on how picky you wanna get
somber creek
Billy is incredibly anachronistic yeah
I think Paige would be fine if she just had a dress instead of a skirt.
But this pass has definitely just kinda thrown it out the window with Everyone
warped ridge
new looks a lot better to me
autumn field
I think Apollo is going to be a kid as well?
glass flicker
Oh that’ll be fun
autumn field
bwuh
warped ridge
Kratos memes
autumn field
granite heath
The cozy hideout...
vivid nimbus
But this pass has definitely just kinda thrown it out the window with Everyone
Eh? Apollo, Rem, and Venator are not inappropriately dressed for the era, while Graves's fit is too punk (spikes, buttons, boots, skirt, etc) but not otherwise parallels Apollo's fairly well
autumn field
roughly 1930
apollo
fencing uniform
whatever he's wearing feels about right, its a stylized school uniform combine dwith presumably protective clothing
vivid nimbus
Yeah, and you do see pleated skirts in 1920s school uniforms for girls, but they tend to go below the knee
autumn field
i feel like it's a touch of a tiffany problem sometimes
vivid nimbus
If they really wanted to go authentic she'd be in a gymslip though
somber creek
I can't judge too much on Apollo until I see him in-game
autumn field
it reminds me a bit of dark academia
somber creek
But Silver, Graves, Celeste, and to an extent Venator (mainly his submachine gun with underslung grenade launcher)
Rem's more of a cartoon character
autumn field
(paige)
warped ridge
Me, wins all my matches as silver
Game:
finite grotto
also graves reading wuthering implies heavily she's a high schooler
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1468559587450945639/1469498927983366164/image.png?ex=698a8406&is=69893286&hm=9e3d4cbb03f5a95f2daf70b9bd9e7301c8ba09b7cc82e0c37511e73607628e32&=&format=webp&quality=lossless she is confirmed a teen no?
bleak thicket
yeah shes in school
vivid nimbus
Non sequetur, someone did a "3 Venators vs 12 vampires but the Venators have to answer Bible trivia", and it's apparent that 2 of the 3 players know nothing about the Bible
vivid nimbus
"What sea did Moses part?" "What garden did Adam and Eve live in?" are questions that stumped them XD
somber creek
LOL
vivid nimbus
Yeah
warped ridge
"What sea did Moses part?" "What garden did Adam and Eve live in?" are questions...
the green sea.
The garden of John.
rich grove
"What sea did Moses part?" "What garden did Adam and Eve live in?" are questions...
easy. Madison Square
vivid nimbus
Meanwhile the 3rd player is choosing the hard questions for trivia and getting them right
warped ridge
Meanwhile the 3rd player is choosing the hard questions for trivia and getting t...
they're only easy because the 3rd player chooses the questions
rich grove
two guys banned from the trench crusade discord and then an actual catholic
autumn field
lmao
warped ridge
a venator fails his catholic school prayer exam and you think it's funny?!
autumn field
if i did the quiz i think id do decentish?
vivid nimbus
"Who baptized Jesus?" "Uh... gimme one second" "Are you googling this?"
autumn field
ok i know the story but not who
warped ridge
"Who baptized Jesus?" "Uh... gimme one second" "Are you googling this?"
easy, Abraham Lincoln
vivid nimbus
rich grove
"Who baptized Jesus?" "Uh... gimme one second" "Are you googling this?"
yeah I have nothing for that one actually
autumn field
i think it was... John?
autumn field
yeah john
glass flicker
Catholic high school has forever ingrained this stuff in me
autumn field
Who let you deal 1700 damage on that 2
rich grove
your entire team
finite grotto
I need to get more used to bepop. Blitzcranks cousin on steroids
finite patrol
<@&1277035919182008330> Pinging this again. Follow the link if you wanna get some stacks arranged with other pnet folks!
finite grotto
Will do later after I sleep!
vivid nimbus
My schedule is so irregular IDK what I would fill in, unfortunately
Even though I'd love to join in
finite patrol
I will definitely ping the role with any I'm organizing so you can hop on
autumn field
one of the funniest possible builds has to be fleetfoot burstfire stam mastery arcane surge kindash vyper
warped ridge
glass flicker
My beautiful baby chud son who I love and cherish forever
warped ridge
lavish grove
They should add an assassin character who’s small like Rem
Because I think it’d be really funny for a rat with a knife to chase Rem around in the sewer area
severe loom
Calico /s
lavish grove
(I know calico can enter them but outside of cat mode)
glass flicker
Rat king
How a game set in New York doesn’t already have a horrid little rat man is beyond me
lavish grove
Literally
Also genuinely we better get more small characters
Having a whole second set of underground shortcuts and passages that only 2 characters can use us kinda crazy
Also man chat, ever since I got back into this game with the update
I’ve really enjoyed it more then I ever have before
lavish grove
And legitimately I think it’s mostly because of the change in healing minions
That change alone makes laning phase so much more fun to me
Means losing fights in lane doesn’t mean retreat or stand behind a wall for the rest of lane
somber creek
how long does it take for replays to become available?
lavish grove
I just remember it takes a while
finite patrol
yeah we vexin
somber creek
There we go
I got it to work
oh you can hear NL quietly in the background
that's so fucking funny
finite patrol
I do not get how people can have stuff going on in 2nd monitor hahaha
deadlock is so intense
vivid nimbus
Okay but did you see that Lash ult?
somber creek
The point blank lash ult was pretty funny
raven spindle
Okay but did you see that Lash ult?
for about 10 frames, yes-
vivid nimbus
It's also funny that Silver and Abrams are both just 1v3ing the other team (to varying success)
finite patrol
Okay but did you see that Lash ult?
he had no choice
this is for all the Apollo voters in this chat and others
February 9 upset
vivid nimbus
he had no choice
Nah there was a choice not to do it earlier
finite patrol
oh he did have it the entire time his venator was getting annihilated lmao
amazing
somber creek
The thing I'm happiest with is Venator being disappeared before my very eyes
I genuinely wasn't expecting it
rich grove
no parry on the tower dive... homelander finger wag.gif
holy fuck he just VANISHED
what the HELL
why did he fucking explode I'm crying
that was like 50-0
sajam voice AAAAALRIGHTY THEN CHATROOM ass clip
somber creek
Silver with a suspiciously Venator-shaped throat
frail jasper
If you don't like it, can you identify what specifically it is about Graves that makes you feel "pretty good"? That might reveal something you can practice on or try to change.
ivory reef
i dont like how i can play actually pretty good on graves and nobody else
Teen with mommy issues
rich grove
Silver with a suspiciously Venator-shaped throat
the gun carry gulper strikes again
the lycanthrope goat
merry verge
i dont like how i can play actually pretty good on graves and nobody else
this is me with Doorman, idk what it is but everyone else is in struggle town
Graves games either are 'these people are beating up this poor teenager' or like ungodly stomps and idk what exactly differentiates other than Sometimes The Shiv's Real Good
finite patrol
the lycanthrope goat
you didnt have to post this
somber creek
The Lycanthroat Goat
finite patrol
😭
autumn field
current match
my only issue is getting doubleteamed by silver and drifter
i could 1v1 each of them and win despite a 5k difference
vivid nimbus
Graves games either are 'these people are beating up this poor teenager' or like...
I think it's that everything Graves does demands specific counterplay, so it really amplifies matchup knowledge
autumn field
If you don't like it, can you identify what specifically it is about Graves that...
probably the fact she farms insanely well
and doesnt need super intensive brainworks
frail jasper
That's so much gun.
autumn field
yeah my gameplan is always pure gun -> spirit -> add t4 greens
its a style of gameplay that works insanely well at my elo
ricochet imo, is very very useful
vivid nimbus
A good Graves isn't aiming better to do more damage, they have to move and position and play to minimize getting countered
frail jasper
Ricochet is always a super late pickup for her. The early alternative is split shot.
autumn field
im aware
i use it because it makes me extra good at farming
which lets me keep a hard lead on anyone but the best of people in my lobbies
if i can delete t3 creeps in like, 4 seconds
then im gonna abuse it
this is my "build" lmao
i decided to put it into a build
finite patrol
please consider stamina mastery. its real good
autumn field
i do use it
i just dps so hard i dont need it on some games
in this fight i lost mostly because i was dumb and tried to solo midboss
if silver didnt have her vampire boyfriend, i wouldve won
plain furnace
I have played with a friend, me as Paige, and them as Drifter. And my friend seemed to have difficulties. Granted it was their first games in pvp, and I have not that much more. But they got hit pretty hard, always finding themselves a bit too far for me to properly support them with my 2 or my attacks.
I think our lane adversaries were quite good, so that might explain (we got in games of the seventh grade, while i'm around the fifth right now).
What could I do to better support my lane ?
finite patrol
make sure youre always communicating when youre going back to buy or hitting boxes or getting buff
autumn field
iirc Drifter needs you to go for the execute
It’s also hard if they’re overextending
finite patrol
a lot of what you are describing sounds like they just need to get better situational awareness
its not trivial to learn that kind of game sense. it just comes with time
autumn field
In deadlock I notice if you can force someone to overextend or get into space you’re more comfortable with, you win
finite patrol
plain furnace
That was my impression, to let gain the enemy terrain and play defensively. BUt maybe I'm a bit too defensive...
finite patrol
id show them this video it has a really good section on wave advantage thats a helpful clue for whe you can push up and when you shouldnt
autumn field
It’s a weird game
finite patrol
he does point out early on that being aggressive does help you learn faster
autumn field
Being aggro is super fun!!!
finite patrol
as a Paige id also say that whenever you have your barrier up you win trades
so make sure youre shooting your enemies
shes a very strong laner
autumn field
I think part of why I love graves is because I can focus entirely on clearing waves, taking cheap picks, and farming quickly, without needing to worry about being genuinely skilled at PvP
vivid nimbus
this is my "build" lmao
I think it would probably help to get that 4.8k spirit before you're dropping the big bucks on T4 gun items, esp because some of the cheap spirit items have very good value
plain furnace
I was quite afraid to use active items.
Then I played Paige and McGinnis, and felt like Shiroe in Log Horizon, activating buffs and debuffs to support the charge, and it felt quite good
autumn field
I think it would probably help to get that 4.8k spirit before you're dropping th...
Probably, but I build pure gun up until like, 48k
At that point most of the things I queue are precursors to 6.4s
vivid nimbus
Ye, but consider you can have quicksilver in there for mercurial later
autumn field
I mean, spirit is probably better but at my ELO nobody knows how to deal with an autoaim 200 DPS
True
finite patrol
this is like canonically incorrect binah
vivid nimbus
And spirit does increase her autoaim damage
finite patrol
I was quite afraid to use active items.
Then I played Paige and McGinnis, and fe...
the actives are super super good and important! Paige with early knockdown is amazing
autumn field
this is like canonically incorrect binah
What
plain furnace
I was mostly going with the defensive activable, to "double" my 2
autumn field
Ok genuinely though, the only people I meet who win win because I decided to solo 2 people at once
Outside of early game, where I keep overextending and can’t maintain my orbs well
finite patrol
Probably, but I build pure gun up until like, 48k
sorry I forgot to reply to the post I was replying to. pure gun is never optimal
finite patrol
I was mostly going with the defensive activable, to "double" my 2
guardian ward -> knockdown is pretty standard first 2 actives on Paige. the other 2 are gonna be situational
plain furnace
taking notes
finite patrol
as a support you are always buying 2-4 actives
merry verge
Would anyone but the people that play him be upset for Bebop to be banished to hell
autumn field
It’d be fun to win more 1v2s
autumn field
guardian ward -> knockdown is pretty standard first 2 actives on Paige. the othe...
What’s the healing pull called again?
vivid nimbus
Would anyone but the people that play him be upset for Bebop to be banished to h...
Bebop is a good lad who's just trying to take care of his mom
merry verge
He's also for certain
plain furnace
What’s the healing pull called again?
Rescue Beam
finite patrol
if they have a carry you have to turn off? disarming hex. lots of strong spellcasters? silence wave. lots of gun damage on your team or theirs? heroic aura. need to save your goofy carry who keeps going too deep? rescue beam
plain furnace
No ?
merry verge
The bottom of the barrel for 'Is This Hero Fun To Fight Against'
autumn field
Yeah that one’s pretty damn good
merry verge
Dispel Magic doesn't even work anymore
finite patrol
somebody set you up the bomb
merry verge
Teamfights are fucking horrible lategame
vivid nimbus
Yeah I should try more spirit
So how do you feel about the idea of Quicksilver and Surge for the 4.8k early before you go gun crazy?
autumn field
I’d probably do that
But I always want split shot early on
That helps my farming a lot
frail jasper
Would anyone but the people that play him be upset for Bebop to be banished to h...
I'm just happy when I see one not doing the cheesy "speedbop" bomb centric builds
vivid nimbus
Yeah I think it's valid to go like...
Lane items -> gun spike -> spirit spike -> gun core -> vitality spike -> gun luxuries
autumn field
My biggest vital spikes seem to be healing tempo and leech
Juggernaut or enduring speed is good too
Those two are really really good since tempo works off the deadbeats
vivid nimbus
Leech is real good for her, and I think with your style would encourage spirit lifesteal after hitting 4.8k spirit
autumn field
Probably, bullet life steal too
finite patrol
I like the idea behind this build but its organized really badly
https://statlocker.gg/builds/build-lab/434577
finite patrol
putting the "choose one and buy after split shot" category before the split shot category that has split shot as the second item is mmm ?????
autumn field
Approaching a good paige or doorman is not fun
vast sandal
I think that comment just factory reset my brain
I just now realized you can just... go back through your fucking flanking door
instead of running home
I'm so stupiiiiiiiid augghhhhh
finite patrol
flanking door?
oh you mean using a door to close in on someone?
yeah you usually leave those open
vast sandal
placing door in a flanking position so I can get behind enemy lines and dig out a weakened carry in lane usually yeah
the Big Brain Play dream of sneaking behind a retreating enemy carry and luggage carting them into my pursuing carry's loving embrace
merry verge
I feel like there hasn't been a game in weeks where I haven't been hit with 'spirit resilience would go great right now'
rich grove
posting the match id 56798549 just because holy fucking smokes me and gran put our team in the backpack
some of the gnarliest maurice grabs ever
stable forum
you go in on people with 2, hit 3 then fully charge 1 as they're shitting themse...
a
Proper Yamato is, in my opinion, basically never pushing 2.
Just hit people with the slash.
Yamato's 2 takes eight years to complete, and being directly on top of someone isn't actually favorable.
rich grove
eh
I wouldn't exactly rush high investment into 2 but not using it is just trolling
most high level yamatos are far, far, far from 'never pushing 2' even if it's not their lead off into every engagement
stable forum
I don't really push 2 until I take rank 2 2
and i take rank 2 2 moderately late
Almost every game on Yamato I will go 'I would like my 2 to not be useless' and get it to rank 2
but before rank 2 it does uhh
very little
rich grove
I don't know why you would willingly turn down a generally unfuckwithable gapclose on a hero who power spikes so hard because of torment pulse/spirit snatch and whose abilities are entirely dependent on being close
stable forum
(and I buy range!)
earnest verge
neglecting the optionality of a mobility tool that slows the target as a close-range mobility character does seem somewhat unwise
stable forum
I don't know why you would willingly turn down a generally unfuckwithable gapclo...
slash is not dependent on being close
Slash has a 35 meter range
(once you buy range)
rich grove
right and not every character is going to look at a yamato and go 'I'm going to stand here and continue allowing you to contribute anything to the game' I guess
stable forum
if you position properly they don't get to have a say in whether or not slash hits!
rich grove
you could try to buy range which is fine with its effects on torment pulse and 1/3 or you could take the free button the devs give you to get into position
stable forum
I've done this a bunch, it works okay.
rich grove
basically no other build i have ever seen bothers building range
stable forum
I don't actually buy torment pulse >.>
rich grove
yeah at that point I don't think I have anything more to add
stable forum
I buy Arcane Surge + Mystic Expansion, a few small spirit / damage items, then just immediately Reverb
but it's like, idk.
it's entirely possible I'm bad at Yamato! I tried playing with Torment Pulse and doing brawler stuff and it just felt bad compared to Long Range Spirit Nuke
rich grove
that to me is so completely opposite everything about how I have experienced this character that I'm not going to argue you out of your parallel item theory if it works for you
stable forum
I basically always build weird stuff to be fair >.>
rich grove
ultimately that's the meterstick
stable forum
I guess the thing to say is 'Yamato's 2 is useful, but you probably shouldn't push it every time it's up'
rich grove
that is extremely different from 'almost never pushing it'
stable forum
I basically only use it if someone is trying to disengage from me I think?
autumn field
i like using the 2 when im already close cuz more damage and i can press 3
stable forum
it's uhhh
rich grove
that to me is basically all the time
stable forum
i like using the 2 when im already close cuz more damage and i can press 3
very bad at that! Shooting them with your gun is similar dps or maybe better dps!
rich grove
anyone outside a character who actively dunks on me in cqc is just mashing backdash
and if I'm getting gone on by a billy then yes I suppose I'm not pressing 2
autumn field
very bad at that! Shooting them with your gun is similar dps or maybe better dp...
i dont play yamato tbh
rich grove
it's not there for damage in any way I can agree on that, it entirely exists to serve the function of getting you from 'far away' to 'close away'
stable forum
I think it's not quite less dps than shooting with your gun, but it's definitely not good at doing damage.
I sometimes try to push it for the slow??? but it's always disappointing when I do.
rich grove
it definitely does less dps than light melee + beans
mild flume
pressing 2 then cancelling it can shoot you past him
rich grove
which is pretty guaranteed at woodlo
mild flume
thats a trick I got shown
stable forum
how does yamato cancel her 2?
stable forum
I thought she straight up couldn't
mild flume
try it in lab
autumn field
trying to figure out why graves actually works for me
mild flume
the timing is weird
autumn field
and nobody else, except maybe billy
(and that's a 50/50 on "doing pretty alright" / "0/30")
stable forum
okay it is cancellable i am confused
stable forum
trying to figure out why graves actually works for me
to be honest, graves is easy to play!
rich grove
minimal mental stack occupied with extremely sweaty aiming allowing you to focus on macro and contribute more to the actual wincon of the game, probably
mild flume
I got suggested cancelling it and light meleeing as you go past
stable forum
billy is also fairly easy to play.
mild flume
if you go spirt snatch etc
stable forum
I think Graves & Rem are the easiest characters to play honestly
though rem has a lotta macro perspective stuff
rich grove
yeah Rem just replaces the aim/micro plate-spinning for a lot of timers and macro
if you don't run boxes you are throwing
if you don't counter jg sinners you are throwing etc
autumn field
i think anyone who has the tools to bypass aim and focus entirely on using mobility and tools to counter enemies always works best for me
rich grove
and in exchange you do kind of get to afk in fights
but the high level strategic thinking is still extremely difficult for many fps players to get used to
autumn field
im terrible at aim, i think decently good at positioning / macro
stable forum
...ehhh...
I think Rem's gun is honestly quite good
especially since rem gets all the sinners buffs
autumn field
like, the finals, my playstyle was entirely oriented around information, anti-information, and area denial plus the hypermobility sword
rich grove
it's good early but I just don't know why you would ever use it in fights outside of 1hp enemies when you're needed as a bag charm on your carry
stable forum
...you'd use it during ability downtime?
heal is fast!
you don't need to sit on people for the full duration
pillow toss is fast!
helpers are mildly irrelevant in teamfights!
autumn field
i dont need too much stamina in deadlock, funny enough
stable forum
and also very fast!
rich grove
you don't need to sit on people but you could be invuln doing torment pulse damage and face-rolling actives instead of risking yourself
so that just seems like more for less likelihood of exploding
rich grove
if you're sufficiently wounded to be getting value out of the self heal you should probably be staying invuln as long as you possibly can so that you're full reset when you hop out
stable forum
...but the heal doesn't...
the heal part of tag along takes 3 seconds
or similar
not the full duration!
rich grove
the timing just doesn't make sense to me, when your heals are needed that's the most intense part of the fight, you should be wringing as much out of it as you can trying to chain jumps to each of your teammates to top them off
autumn field
i want to play bebop
bebop is silly
very simple combo too
321, in that order
and all you need to do is purple
rich grove
if you leave early or mash heals across the squad all at once then you're getting less out of it
stable forum
noo???
rich grove
you also have stuff like nova to fill the role of the 'I need to reset the whole squad' specifically so that you don't need to hit your whole team at once with 2
stable forum
I guess you need to chain the healing directly, which wouldn't allow for shooting, yeah.
but when you aren't doing that you should also shoot!
yeah, can't go out and in with the heal.
rich grove
it's pretty much just opportunity cost to me because of how the heal works and because it's almost e-shift
stable forum
idk what else you would be doing when you aren't using heal or throwing pillow or casting ult during a teamfight.
rich grove
to me that is pretty much all of the teamfight unless you're losing
stable forum
...also, the torment pulse thing confuses me
because you could be hitting with torment pulse and your gun!
the only reason not to do that is if you need to hide, OR if the heal duration is still going.
rich grove
you're not literally entirely invulnerable while shooting your gun
stable forum
yeah but that's not actually a huge upside??
Especially before you cast Tag Along
autumn field
tomorrow i think ill rework my graves build
unsure of what she'd look like
but i think ill try for spirit 4.8k earlier
rich grove
I guess I just don't understand why 'using an item that requires you to be at close range with full immunity as one of the squishiest characters in the game' is not an upside
like you're not abrams or victor
autumn field
i think quicksilver, surge of power will make for a good 4.8k on gun + deadbeats
stable forum
I guess I just don't understand why 'using an item that requires you to be at cl...
I guess I'm just like
assuming that you're rolling with an ally and have the ability to Just Leave via Tag Along
autumn field
green would prolly be bullet or spirit lifesteal (maybe both with healbane?)
stamina mastery is the only option for graves, if not kin/arcane dash
only issue i got with kindash is that the ammo is flat 6, which is like, 6-9% on graves
rich grove
if you wanna spam people with a gun that often never gets scaled outside sinners because you're buying almost exclusively green/purple then sure
randomly 100-0'ing or turning what could have been a chain of 4-5 into a chain of 1 because you need to panic seems like way more cost than it's worth to get pretty marginal damage on someone
stable forum
maybe, idk
rich grove
2 is just so good if you can get all five that seeing it only hit just one always makes me die inside unless it's literally just people idling clearing creeps or something
stable forum
do you buy duration extender on rem?
rich grove
not necessarily, builds seem pretty split
autumn field
i think its interesting how rem got buffed
stable forum
i seee.
there's.. theoretically a supporty duration extender / weakening headshot overlap which scales gun and is useful for allies. weakening headshot lasts a while, it lasts like 16 seconds or something with duration extender
rich grove
everyone's broadly agreed that echo shard 2 is Good but there's a lot of sup cd, people definitely flex to buy range early, torment pulse is high priority
2 vs 3 max is ongoing debate, especially outside team coordination settings where four helpers + heroic aura = you just randomly roll objectives at 10 minutes
duration makes sense, you have 2/4 that benefit most from it at base kit and depending on what you're counterbuying you have decay, alch fire, etc in the active slot
rem gets a shitload of money but you also have a ton of 3.2ks you're looking to buy so the item theory looks very bizarre from the outside
stable forum
that makes sense, i think
i generally trend towards more expensive items
i... think because i like 'high impact' stuff?
rich grove
rem gets them fast and he benefits a lot from them
like I said echo shard 2 would probably be my pick for gnarliest spike, but healing tempo is ofc nutty, boundless spirit that stacks with max 2's boundless spirit is just ridiculous
curse do be cursing
stable forum
ugh there's a healing tempo / crippling headshot overlap which probably puts rem at 150-200ish gun dps or something idk
apologies for focusing on this >.>
I like buildcraft stuffs
rich grove
wiggles hand, it's great because he has actives but again he just has so much competition
if my previous extended soapboxing wasn't clear enough I really do think echo 2 is just bananas for both the 30s invuln and the full team reset but the regular sup cd can be enough
at the very least because you buy 3.2k cd so often you may just stumble into having the extra 3.2k to upgrade to transgender cd
mild flume
I think there are a lot of characters that just want like 1000 things
autumn field
that is so fucking hilarious
rich grove
i guess that is just every good active item, every good healing item, spirit and then torment pulse
got me there
absolute itemization cinema
mild flume
and to buy things so you have lots of slots used efficently and hit your 4.8ks fast
stable forum
for example I am no longer buying Slowing Bullets or PB on Silver
instead I just buy Lifestrike
because it does the slow but also other stuff
autumn field
also bit of a hot(?) take but i feel like ideal balance involves your build wanting every color
mild flume
depends on the char and build really
rich grove
to this day i do not understand why they gave lifestrike 50% slow but it's just bananas
autumn field
like graves! graves with green works really well somehow, graves can gun, graves can 1000 damage skelly
rich grove
just such a good item
stable forum
to this day i do not understand why they gave lifestrike 50% slow but it's just ...
yeah it's a bit silly
autumn field
billy i think does hybrid as well
stable forum
there was another weird incidental slow
mild flume
there are plenty of characters that hybrid in weird ways
autumn field
greens are a thing that characters just need
for some godfucking reason, there's a bebop build that's pure purple
mild flume
mirage rushes 4.8k spirit then often builds no more
I don't think that kinda builds good
rich grove
nah after they made mirage 3 cd benefit from cdr he's very heavy spirit now
mild flume
there are all purple builds and snipery builds and stuff that just don't work when people know about spellbreaker
I have seen the only 4.8k builds a bunch
even post that change
rich grove
understandable but i think rn he feels cracked hybrid
autumn field
i just saw this and im like, huh
mild flume
I mean that kinda is hybrid really its just like
autumn field
i thought people would build more into spirit
autumn field
ah
rich grove
yeah i was definitely doing a lot of that debuffy style just so i could let other people play the game
there's a world where i go like weakening headshot instead but inhibitor is so nasty when you've got a lead and they just stop being able to interact with you
meanwhile for the less fed people on the team they could actually shoot back without exploding
i think you 100% always go qsr + surge, then upgrade qsr into mm- i don't think a strict 4.8k only spirit investitutre is ever correct, but you're right in that there is a huge bump at qsr/surge
that's when people just start randomly exploding at 12x
stable forum
ah, right, yeah, Mirage is very strong
Mirage has been strong forever but he's not super popular
and he's not like Infernus
rich grove
lane nightmare against most characters, his ult makes up for my medically diagnosed case of tunnel vision, free counterspell with 2
good character
autumn field
i rarely see mirages at my elo
stable forum
yeah, he's an absolute lane bully with a very good mid game and an okay late game.
rich grove
just a whole bunch of good tools stapled together
stable forum
he's got a strong tendency to get ahead and then exploit that lead.
and, yeah, him having full iframes is silly
rich grove
kind of incoherent as a result but no complaints about his strengths, certainly
autumn field
hmmmm
rich grove
basically his only notable hole is his 1 but i have never been like 'fuck i wish i had another spell'
autumn field
i wonder what apollo will be like
earnest verge
Some heroes just get very very little from Spirit investment, Silver and Venator being two very recent examples. Silver gets attack speed in her wolf form from it, and that's literally it, but that's more of a consolation price for having to buy spirit items for some other reason than a real reaosn to invest.
stable forum
Some heroes just get very very little from Spirit investment, Silver and Venator...
silver gets spirit damage on 3 and 2
earnest verge
It really is just a matter of what each individual hero wants for each game
stable forum
her 2 scaling is okay
autumn field
venator i hope gets a little more spirity in the future
earnest verge
okay I misremembered, but extremely little, yeah
mild flume
i think you 100% always go qsr + surge, then upgrade qsr into mm- i don't think ...
I guess I have seen a bit of like, QSR + improved spirit + improved cooldown
stable forum
I think I really like Focus Lens on her
rich grove
I wonder how much venator's bugged reign of terror is going to affect how people see him and how they balance him going forward
stable forum
but that's not really 'focus lesn provides lots of spirit' so much as 'focus lens kills people'
earnest verge
I think Silver would much prefer someone else on the team to bring the focus lens rather than personally
rich grove
hopefuly it'll be a non-issue
stable forum
I wonder how much venator's bugged reign of terror is going to affect how people...
tbh i think there's not really good things for Bullet Resist
autumn field
i saw a focus lens silver once
mild flume
then like greens, tox buillets, hollow points, ricochet, then inhib/silencer/siphon
stable forum
I think Silver would much prefer someone else on the team to bring the focus len...
the issue is you want to kill people you jump
rich grove
i meaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan plated armor do be plating
stable forum
and Focus Lens is very good for taht
autumn field
silver is very...
mild flume
which is crazy money to get all of
stable forum
also Silver likes small amounts of incidental fire rate
rich grove
metal skin is also gnarly
stable forum
i meaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan plated armor do be plating
plated armor does fuck and all against Venator's ult
earnest verge
I can definitely see focus lens if the enemy team has a lot of disables you don't want them to be able to use while you're on top of them yeah
rich grove
you just can't peek him lol
autumn field
she feels like, she's either completely dominating you or absolute bottom
and it's either or
rich grove
best of luck
stable forum
she feels like, she's either completely dominating you or absolute bottom
silver is hard!
stable forum
best of luck
ehh
autumn field
silver is hard!
le-
rich grove
I mean you can also buy disarm which is pretty interesting
stable forum
disarm works, yeah! it's weird
autumn field
anyways
rich grove
reasonable counterbuy for fighting him outside ult as well but the fact that it's actually his gun
earnest verge
I can definitely see focus lens if the enemy team has a lot of disables you don'...
(E.g. Vyper, M + K, anyone who can stop you from moving or shooting, really)
rich grove
is quite funny
autumn field
she's one of those gals who i think is super fun when you're on her ult
but really not fun outside, but that's just me
rich grove
focus lens + silver's %hp damage also seems pretty nice to me imo
stable forum
it's mostly just that you can't get a lot of bullet resist
I really like silver outside of her ult
stable forum
focus lens + silver's %hp damage also seems pretty nice to me imo
yeah this is also big
mild flume
plated armor does fuck and all against Venator's ult
I thought it did work
stable forum
does it??
mild flume
like 40% blank it basically
rich grove
not against the pure part
autumn field
a lot of it has to do with me not being big on her gun
rich grove
but it would stop a good chunk if you won your coinflips, since it's always majority bullet iirc
stable forum
taht would be absolutely hilarious if it had a 30% chance to full no sell Venator's ult damage.
autumn field
her 1 feels great, her 2 feels great, her 3 feels nice
earnest verge
She's a single-target assassin-ish type outside ult and more of a brawler in ult, though she doesn't enjoy being the center of attention in either case. But yeah I think you need to enjoy both to get the most out of her.
stable forum
it is always majority bullet, yeah.
autumn field
but her gun is just so slow
stable forum
a lot of it has to do with me not being big on her gun
ah, fair, yeah. her gun is hard to use.
mild flume
yeah you i think still get the pure
stable forum
Recommendation for farming! Hold Q and LMB
autumn field
q is...
rich grove
again, very good item against most of the purer m1s, but for his ult specifically you're kind of playing dice with god
badumtssh
autumn field
yeah i have custom binds
stable forum
you get a gunshot in between heavy melees
with silver
this is good for farming camps
rich grove
also lowkey good dps against objectives even though if you get walker stomped for messing it up everyone Will laugh at you
earnest verge
yeah ideally as Silver you don't spend much time in camps, you can do it a bit but you're definitely very bad at it compared to most characters. Take them if they're there and you have a good opportunity for it, but boxes, sinners, and roaming ganks are moreso the goal
stable forum
Silver's camp clear is fine!
autumn field
silver is like
stable forum
just buy bullet resist shred
autumn field
way cooler than drifter, kit-wise
stable forum
(which you want anyways)
earnest verge
The shred definitely helps a lot
stable forum
and hold Q!
earnest verge
But compared to a lot of other characters they're much less of a focus because of your comparative disadvantage
stable forum
she's not good at taking t3s (unless you drop a werewolf form on 'em I guess) but she's fine with everything else IMO
rich grove
her ult charge goes down like shiv rage if she's not actively brawling right
earnest verge
yup
rich grove
gotcha
stable forum
her ult charge goes down like shiv rage if she's not actively brawling right
no it's based on dealing damage
you can shoot someone from across the map
rich grove
but it has to be player damage still right
stable forum
yeah
earnest verge
yeah
stable forum
or camp damage!
rich grove
oh interesting
stable forum
I think
earnest verge
tbh one really significant thing I'm noticing with everyone I play with is like, they don't do boxes
stable forum
not 100% sure, lemme doublecheck
rich grove
if it's from jg then that was specifically removed from shiv rage
which is an interesting point of difference
earnest verge
or at best they get distracted from boxes really easily
stable forum
if it's from jg then that was specifically removed from shiv rage
I think it might be specifically so you can drop werewolf on t3?
final osprey
Camps dont build Silver ult, if they did she'd be extremely powerful
rich grove
once upon a time you just kind of ran around punching camps to upkeep rage as shiv and it was very stupid
stable forum
lemme check to make sure I'm not spreading misinformation
earnest verge
yeah it's not camp damage, only player
rich grove
i mean it would be really nice to drop werewolf on t3
stable forum
Camps dont build Silver ult, if they did she'd be extremely powerful
they do lol
rich grove
cant even lie sometimes as seven i do be popping jungle ult
stable forum
autumn field
they do???
earnest verge
I wonder if that's a sandbox weirdness thing
stable forum
oh no it's just health loss!
earnest verge
ah yeah lmao
rich grove
ahhh
stable forum
health loss causes it, camps make you lose health
rich grove
well that'd still stop it ticking down though right
stable forum
I am dum
autumn field
oh lmao
stable forum
well that'd still stop it ticking down though right
not really
earnest verge
i mean it would be really nice to drop werewolf on t3
The cooldown is pretty short and the form comes with a lot of little side benefits
stable forum
it doesn't put it on the 'you did damage to a player' timer
rich grove
fair nuff
stable forum
or maybe it does idk
rich grove
was wondering again if you just needed to go around aggroing jg so you could always be ready to put up your dukes
earnest verge
tbh one really significant thing I'm noticing with everyone I play with is like,...
and like I consider myself pretty bad at boxes, I don't really know box routes other than like the stairway down from mid
rich grove
if it's on a shorter reset timer then it's probably not worth it relative to just roaming
annoying people with shotgun at range and then hoping to ragebait them into you
or just jumping em yourself
i have seen so very many attempts at getting a silver out of our jungle go very very wrong
your soul leaves your body
earnest verge
yeah do not 1v1 silver unless you know exactly what you're doing or she's very low
final osprey
You just gotta kill her before she can turn into werewolf or do your damage and leave. I love to deal my damage and leave as Mo and Krill
earnest verge
poke her and leave is an acceptable compromise
stable forum
that's very funny you can successfully cause transformation from camp
mild flume
I buy disarm on m+k and just make her unable to do anything for 10 eternities
rich grove
at a Normal Health Cost
mild flume
and hope my team can arrive so I can ult kill her
stable forum
I buy disarm on m+k and just make her unable to do anything for 10 eternities
Lycan Curse should purge debuffs
earnest verge
like, never as Victor or Billy or Abrams or anyone have I felt as incredibly overpowered when getting caught by a single enemy in their big sinners house, as I do when I'm playing Silver
rich grove
yeah I think gran at one point hit mo disarm into disarming hex into phantom strike
earnest verge
it's like "a haha I've caught you from behind!" and then you turn around and vaporize them
rich grove
which is possibly the single most bm thing you can do to maroon 5 lady
mild flume
it purges one yeah
rich grove
like, never as Victor or Billy or Abrams or anyone have I felt as incredibly ove...
when the chonky boy decides to walk into the % damage you feel like a gigabrain god
mild flume
but also they get frustrated and try punch you
and you parry them and get more time that way
earnest verge
when the chonky boy decides to walk into the % damage you feel like a gigabrain ...
hmm, i wonder if that % damage makes you transform faster the bigger the enemy's health bar is
rich grove
I mean gotta be, right
earnest verge
anecdotally, it's definitely felt like it
rich grove
the damage threshold for transformation is surely just a flat number (scaling with time)
stable forum
hmm, i wonder if that % damage makes you transform faster the bigger the enemy's...
idk silver's ult buildup is Weird
they recently made it so the damage threshold scales with time
I know shiv's Rage is weird and dumb
earnest verge
I feel like I transform way faster when I'm fighting big tanky guys compared to anything else, but that could be explained by lots of other things (like tanky guys not getting out of the way as much and thus me landing more hits)
rich grove
shiv's rage has an essay on the wiki so i'm sure some absolute Goblin will write a whole thing about it
stable forum
you get passive Lycan Curse buildup when you're on low health and have taken damage recently
(from a camp or hero)
autumn field
one of the funniest things ever is my dumbass graves winning a 1v1 against a silver whos 55k vs my 50k ass
stable forum
I think low health has a general multiplier
stable forum
one of the funniest things ever is my dumbass graves winning a 1v1 against a sil...
graves moment
gun graves is... idk
she's really hard to fight
you have to blow her up
rich grove
corner peeking a silver as graves while you have tombstone is some of the funniest shit
stable forum
you cannot sustained fight her
autumn field
tbh i lost the fight, but that was because drifter appeared outta nowhere and spammed everything they had on me
i KNOW i wouldve won
stable forum
you cannot sustained fight her
you cannot sustained fight Graves as Silver while transformed
I hate this
ivory reef
not against the pure part
No it works on all shots
autumn field
silver wasnt allowed to transform on my ass
ivory reef
autumn field
fuck you immobilized 2 million skulls, and my ult, and im actually good at movement fuck you
ivory reef
Plate armor can fully deflect pure damage ira domini
autumn field
(im not im just above average for my rank)
knowing how to dash and slide is just good to know
stable forum
Plate armor can fully deflect pure damage ira domini
that's so weird
autumn field
that's so cool
rich grove
Plate armor can fully deflect pure damage ira domini
i guess because it counts it as an onhit?
finite grotto
Venator is cool but I can't with that base dash and movespeed 
rich grove
that is pretty wild
autumn field
i hate how ult heavy he is
stable forum
i guess because it counts it as an onhit?
it shouldn't be stopped by deflect
rich grove
(yes yes shhh i know merc magnum and other on hits work through plated shhhhh)
rich grove
(we have to pretend the text is accurate or we all fall into chaos)
ivory reef
i guess because it counts it as an onhit?
It's a bullet
It's simply a single big bullet that does pure damage
final osprey
it *shouldn't* be stopped by deflect
The bullet does the damage, deflect stops the bullet
rich grove
merc magnum is a bullet
final osprey
I think if a bullet with Magnum damage gets deflected, that damage should be deflected also
autumn field
ven would be more interesting w/ more spirit scaling imo
earnest verge
I think it's okay for some characters to not have much scaling of some type or another
ivory reef
Just to be clear I don't think ira domini is an onhit
earnest verge
(Though I'm not sure what a character that's disincentivized from buying green items would look like)
ivory reef
That's what makes it different
rich grove
okay no mina 3 is weirdly correctly applied
but there's a lot of weird corner casing on this
ivory reef
It's literally just a bullet with modified base damage
autumn field
I think it's okay for some characters to not have much scaling of some type or a...
yeah i think it's fine
earnest verge
Diversity is a cast-wide thing, it'd feel worse if every hero had good reasons to build lots of spirit imo
autumn field
just like, how do i say this
if you want to hit the 4.8k and not much more, then that's alright
i believe currently vyper likes to have some spirit
ivory reef
Like can someone check that ira domini is slowed by paradox wall
I suspect it will be
ivory reef
It's just big boolet
rich grove
but I mean.......
at one point I want to say there was some deep deep weird with vindicta and para wall
final osprey
i believe currently vyper likes to have some spirit
Every one of Vypers abilities scale off of Spirit, especially her most important abilities slide barrier and Poison
autumn field
specifically, before her rework, she was borderline absolute pure gun
and some hybrid
rich grove
my only wish is for more interesting low level gun items to make buying the 4.8k gun spike less dull
autumn field
but most builds i saw wanted absolute maximal g u n
rich grove
we got recharging rush/ballistic ench but if we had any non-alchemical fire gun actives I would be a lot happier with the state of the orange
autumn field
now i see a lot of people building into the baby tankbuster, spirit, etc as early core
autumn field
im not super sure, but isnt seven like, 90% spirit rn?
splitshot graves!!!
god i love graves
she can build basically anything
rich grove
i think literally only graves buys it because it is so indefensible on every other character except mayyybe paige
i can't remember if that's still a go-to laning buy on her or not
autumn field
imo it's very good
but mostly because it lets you burn through troopers crazy fast, and super easily deny/confirm orbs
if you build t3 essence theft it's sellable though
rich grove
it's weird alchemical fire is orange for the sole reason that it reduces gun resist and yet disarming hex isn't
rich grove
despite building out of I Can't Believe It's Not Withering Whip
autumn field
i seriously love how insanely craftable she is
rich grove
shit i forgot about my goat capacitor
rip my beautiful king
i will always remember when you did the buff removal thing
stable forum
it's weird alchemical fire is orange for the sole reason that it reduces gun res...
ah but disarming hex is a support item and surely supports do not want to buy orange
staring at Alchfire
autumn field
i love how i can find a use case for like, every single orange... (except headshot ones)
ok maybe not melee charge
rich grove
come back we were having such an extremely fair duel i definitely was not winning exclusively because of my ability to buy an active item and then press the button
autumn field
and express shot
rich grove
express shot on graves eating like 30% of your ammo for two damage is insanely funny to imagine
stable forum
I think
rich grove
how does it even work on the hero
earnest verge
naw
earnest verge
it's fine??
rich grove
the express 1 interaction seems ok
stable forum
it's okay but it's not very good on her I feel
autumn field
im fairly certain i see it on extended/titanic silver a lot
stable forum
i guess it's just slot competition
stable forum
im fairly certain i see it on extended/titanic silver a lot
a
rich grove
it was basically only ever used for abusive builds with goofy altfire heroes and now it's just kind of occupying a bizarre niche where almost every m1 hero would never buy it, but it doesn't do enough for supports or primary spirit heroes to consider ir
earnest verge
Abrams and Silver are the two big suspects yea
and ig I can see it for stuff like Yamato though yeah not sure how the exact stats shake out
mild flume
goo boi used to buy it
earnest verge
It's a very special-case item and it's fine for those to exist
mild flume
dunno if he still does
rich grove
even yams would rather just buy mystic
autumn field
it's basically "consume 2 ammo to deal 250% damage"
stable forum
ye olde yamato express / split
autumn field
it's also really funny to dump your whole 1 instantly like that
rich grove
because it works on beans, it pops their linkens i mean spellbreaker and it also just does a fuckload
rich grove
it does Mad damage just getting it p much off cd and scaled all to hell by your spirit buys
stable forum
i'd not thought about mystic shot to proc spellbreaker
rich grove
by comparison post nerf express shot is like oh, three beans, which is fine but pretty quickly falls off and then randomly losing the ammo off cd can be annoying sometimes
mild flume
if you want to go yam you really need a plan for spellbreaker
autumn field
wait wdym by randomly losing the ammo?
rich grove
it probably feels less bad than what I can only describe as a play pattern of "holding in a piss for three hours"
autumn field
doesn't it just eat 1 extra when you shoot?
stable forum
im fairly certain i see it on extended/titanic silver a lot
silver should never ever buy titanic magazine btw
autumn field
huh?
stable forum
because Kinetic Dash exists