but she's so cool..
#Deadlock
merry verge
warped ridge
If Victor is dying either he needs better teammates or he isn't playing passive enough
merry verge
Oh no I just mean 'hotfixed within 8 hours' release state Victor
He was untouchable
and i think his gun used to hurt more? :|a
agile void
warped ridge
I disagree, she has 2 forms with 4 abilities each so you can cut it in half
Therefore Graves is greedier than she is
ivory reef
jenny has already smacked you guys for fighting in the channel but also I wanna push back on this stuff in general
let's not road rage post about matchmaking or particular heroes or whatever it is that's making us mad in pvp games in these channels
if you're having issues with these random monsters I guess
- I suggest queueing as teams
- this is actually normal moba stuff? like it's very normal to have carries on your team whose whole job is to scale harder and take more farm and you cover for them until they kill everyone
torn gulch
Damn, I fell down into seeker
agile void
earnest verge
have you played her?
merry verge
Once an' did okay also I didn't mean to get huffed just read something wrong after the whole 'skill issue' comment
Got carried hard by an insane Ivy/Dynamo
Also she is really bad at clearing waves
earnest verge
Yeah, she's a funny variant on the assassin/duelist archetype
Who turns into a much more teamfighty character after getting her combo on on specifically a hero
It's neat
lavish grove
Chat, is it worth it to build melee items on silver?
I know her werewolf 1 and 2 scale off melee but it seems like the main thing you wanna do in wolf form is just shoot
finite patrol
You sure can
lavish grove
And gun helps her human form way more
warm sonnet
Lifestrike does work
merry verge
Her 1 and 2 hurt so very badly
late hare
think it's hard to say for sure atm, but I've had success with it
merry verge
Lifestrike is deff worth it
finite patrol
spirit snatch and lifestrike are solid items
lavish shale
her human 2 does also deal melee IIRC
lavish grove
Oh shit it does?
earnest verge
Melee items seem like they're more about applying debuffs, to me
lavish grove
Didn’t realize
earnest verge
Yeah it does
finite patrol
id probably just build lifestrike since she doesnt need spirit
late hare
I dunno why you'd build Spirit Strike, yeah
merry verge
Is she the least spirit-y character they've made
lavish grove
But alright, so maybe life strike and crushing fist then?
earnest verge
Probably
finite patrol
I think so yeah
lavish grove
Doesn’t spirit snatch reduce enemy spirit as well?
merry verge
Crushing Fist is for games that don't parry
finite patrol
haze at least has mondo scaling on dagger
earnest verge
Is she the least spirit-y character they've made
Like, you get attack speed in wolf form, but that feels more like compensating you for the occasional spirit item than a real reward
lavish grove
Crushing Fist is for games that don't parry
I mean I feel like even if you build melee you don’t wanna like, press Q
late hare
speaking of which, I think I'm gonna try melee Abrams today
lavish grove
You just wanna press 1 and 2
finite patrol
Doesn’t spirit snatch reduce enemy spirit as well?
you dont really want to build a 3200 for 2/3 of the item
lavish grove
Like just holding down the fire button seems like the play in wolf form
lavish grove
you dont really want to build a 3200 for 2/3 of the item
That’s true yah
earnest verge
You might melee in human form if you went through your 1-boosted shots and still aren't transforming
lavish grove
Oh yah
earnest verge
Since your human form dps is so terrible with everything on cooldown
late hare
melee also builds wolf charge faster
merry verge
I see people trying to build attack speed and it just does not work
late hare
even if it's a quick tap
merry verge
Hitting shields apparently doesn't charge wolf
lavish grove
Oh that’s annoying
earnest verge
But yeah ultimately melee isn't your damage, you just happen to have a melee as part of your combo in both forms, and there's a lot of items that give you a lot of value for that
lavish grove
I see people trying to build attack speed and it just does not work
Also why not?
merry verge
Her base speed is so low
lavish grove
I thought swift striker would be a good early item
finite patrol
opening rounds seems goated
lavish grove
Her base speed is *so low*
I mean yah but it’s pretty fast in her wolf form
lavish grove
opening rounds seems goated
Yah I did really like that in my first silver game
merry verge
But then you don't need it cause you stack anyway
finite patrol
opening rounds point blank
merry verge
I've seen Express Shot do some fuckin business
lavish grove
It does kinda seem like you just wanna build for like mag dumping in your humanoid form
earnest verge
Express shot adds a lot to your opening and to long-distance plinking yeah
lavish grove
Use your express shot rounds, press 1 and shoot your 3 shots
merry verge
Echo Shard on 1 would be dirty if not so expensely spirit
earnest verge
Ideally you're tranformed by the time your mag's empty yup
lavish grove
Ideally get a bola and mark in there somewhere
earnest verge
Ideally get a bola and mark in there somewhere
231 shoot or 321 shoot seems to be the way to go
The slow from 3 and from lifestrike on 2 helps to land the shots from 1
late hare
recall also that 1 instantly reloads your gun so you don't wanna open with it immediately after engaging per se
warm sonnet
Hella
finite patrol
also dash more than doubles magsize for her lol
merry verge
Boot might be the most stylish thing in the game
late hare
kinetic dash would be so good if I remembered this character needs it
still swan
How is Silver so far?
late hare
also no way I'm pulling off dash jumps on my ping once we start actually fighting
merry verge
I dashjump constantly until I buy one of those and then i forget every time
lavish grove
How is Silver so far?
Sick
lavish shale
Also I just found this on Twitter and this is sick as fuck
okay the crossup is pretty fun
lavish grove
Also while I had a very unsuccessful first game with her
I faced a silver in an ultra late game match
And like holy shit she feels unkillable in wolf form late game
late hare
I like her a lot, but that's also because she's the messy wolf lady. I've had surprising success considering my PC generally likes to stutter/be slow
lavish grove
Genuinely 90% of our problems with that game were that even if we killed the entire enemy team silver in wolf form could run down any of us and kill us
Just from all her healing
merry verge
Basically as Doorman I just try to keep Silver the hell away from people
lethal mica
wonder what the counter to her is
definitely need an anti heal
and bullet damage resists are probably good too
since she's all bullet
merry verge
CC and antiheal and uhh.. Shiv ult
bleak thicket
antiheal is honestly just a good buy most games
warped ridge
wonder what the counter to her is
....positioning
earnest verge
Yeah her big issue is getting into a fight without dying, and presumably anti healing does a lot
warped ridge
Like while this game is a shooter 4th you def can just be away so she can't maul you
Now
earnest verge
She's extremely single-target and fragile in human form and bad at skirmishing
warped ridge
That being said
lethal mica
mystic slow probably a great buy
warped ridge
If you're melee range prob want something to kite like a slow yeh
Like if I was drifter I would aim for slow and silence against silver
earnest verge
Not sure what you do while she's in wolf form, part of the issue there is that she is way faster than you
So unless your team has multiple long-ranged carries in convenient positions, it's gonna be rough
merry verge
Wolf Silver kind of uhh feels like Drifter 2 ( the sequel )
warped ridge
Hmm
earnest verge
Slows might work but she's probably gonna have anti-slow late-game if not debuff removing stuff
warped ridge
What stats does she scale of? Might be able to just stat nerf
merry verge
Gun and HP
earnest verge
When I played her, I felt like my weakness was big teamfight ults
warped ridge
Yeah maybe anti gun and peel like crazy idk
lethal mica
inhibitor probably great vs her
warped ridge
I havent had a chance to play her yet so I couldn't give an easy answer like I could Haze or Seven
lethal mica
but then what isn't it good on
earnest verge
Like, if you're split up, she can quickly bounce between y'all and kill you, if you're clustered together, she's gonna aoe y'all and probably die but then her team kills you
finite patrol
the buildup items are probably excellent on her
since slam fire makes them instantaneous
earnest verge
Stuff like Bebop's or Kelvin's ult is a nightmare, though
lethal mica
slowing bullets show up frequently in the builds ive seen for her for that reason
finite patrol
oh yeah I havent revisited the reworked slowing bullets hrm
merry verge
Slowing and Toxic felt nice
earnest verge
Her big weakness is really that her farm is absolute hot trash, so like, try not to let her kill you early
warped ridge
If you don't have it you can build it
merry verge
Definitely wants a lane partner who can actually push
earnest verge
There's so many characters that just scale way faster
warped ridge
I would have played her more like a roamer than a laner
Idk what the terms are called in dota
earnest verge
And playing her, it feels like you only exist for about two seconds out of twenty until you hit higher levels
merry verge
It's good to push out the lane when going to roam! She makes that tough
warped ridge
It's good to push out the lane when going to roam! She makes that tough
I mean depends, if enemy laners are better pushers then you can't do much about it if they don't throw
At that point you give up the lane and go get another lane tower in the 3v2
finite patrol
oh you know cold front would probably be decent on her
also helps her with farming
merry verge
Cold Front buff has felt so good
warped ridge
I hate cold front though it's so gross.
I have to press a button for an ice blast? Yuck
finite patrol
map it to scroll wheel
warped ridge
I wonder if I could map it to a foot pedal
bleak thicket
if the pedal sends a button input probably
even if not you can probably bodge it with a easy ahk macro
make it send out like
f13 if the game supports that
although apparently avoid these lol
warped ridge
Ah gotcha, if I want to use those I should just play on Linux 
Can you even disable those on win11? I feel like you can't
bleak thicket
Probably not?
buoyant plank
I just have my left win be a modifier rather than a regular windows key
quiet sapphire
ctrl + shift + windows key + alt + L is a good one
warped ridge
I know I tried double binding jump for corner boosting but it didn't work and I was sad
quiet sapphire
thanks microsoft
buoyant plank
I know I tried double binding jump for corner boosting but it didn't work and I ...
ah yes the
warped ridge
It made me so sad because like
warped ridge
Jokes on them
buoyant plank
oh replied to the wrong one but oh well
warped ridge
I work a job that I can practice deadlock movement in
quiet sapphire
:P
warped ridge
I just don't have sound
Cause I don't want to pay for another set of headphones
And I really don't like IEMs
buoyant plank
I work a job that I can practice deadlock movement in
Boss wants constant mouse movement, he'll get constant mouse movement
warped ridge
What's funny is like
I think we had a macro for mouse jiggling on our deployment platform for IT people because sometimes nothing happens
But I think they removed it
But I just, never used it
Because you can just play an mp4 and your screen won't go to sleep
The real issue of being at work is prob more I'm using a heavier mouse and a smaller screen
So my aiming is off
buoyant plank
generally video players keep the screen on as long as it's unpaused, for obvious reasons
warped ridge
Deadlock has a pause button
Can just be like
"Brb taking a nap real quick"
And actually take a 5 min power nap
You'll do better I promise
Secret gamer tips they don't want you to know
But no seriously I think if the game hits 1 hour they should give a free pause so everyone can stretch real quick lmao
final osprey
I think for the Silver the biggest thing is proccing disarm, as even though her wolf abilities are scary I think she really needs to get that stacking attack speed for the ult to shred people.
Especially as gun players dont buy debuff remover a lot of the time
warped ridge
This is true
As Haze I usually just buy unstoppable
But I'll admit I don't like buying items where I have to press more buttons
I also like refresher
Oh I wonder
What's the max ult charges possible in brawl?
Like if you were playing door man
I'd want to ult someone 5 times for the funny
bleak thicket
are there any ults that work with charge items?
warped ridge
Hmm, I don't think so?
But I'll admit I'm curious about like a side interaction
Like if you have Victor ult plus that one item that prevents death, which procs first
bleak thicket
i mean
that one is easy to test
sandbox
victor
buy cheat death
go sit under the enemy guardian
warm sonnet
Vindicta's ult works with Rapid Recharge, right?
granite heath
are there any ults that work with charge items?
Vindicta
bleak thicket
oh then you can do a silly vindicta
with enhanced rapid charge and enhanced omnicharge signet
and youd have like
+9 charges?
no idea how to get enhanced signet
but enhance rapid charge is easy to test
warped ridge
😼
finite patrol
are there any ults that work with charge items?
Brooklyn techies
granite heath
They should put techies 1-to-1 into Deadlock.
finite patrol
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warped ridge
U rang?
granite heath
I'm pretty sure you rang? was the Crypt Fiend, which became Weaver.
Alas I'm at work and can't open Worldedit for every unit bark.
merry verge
Some characters must pay the Stamina Mastery tax
bleak thicket
you know
it would be funny if they release a hero that just
doesnt have stamina
and can never gain any extra stamina
lavish grove
Some characters must pay the Stamina Mastery tax
Yah…
somber creek
Women can't jump in Deadlock
lavish shale
I'm pretty sure _you rang?_ was the Crypt Fiend, which became Weaver.
Alas I'm a...
that's correct
granite heath
you know
it would be funny if they release a hero that just
doesnt have stamina
...
~~you're right they should also port Huskar 1-to-1 ~~
bleak thicket
and antimage
"but jenny theres no mana?"
yes, but we can do stamina antimage
or
cool down antimage
lavish grove
and antimage
"but jenny theres no mana?"
yes, but we can do stamina antimage
I think if they made a character who’s gimmick is they drain stamina I will never play this game again
granite heath
There already are abilities that do.
lavish grove
Yah but a character fully dedicated to it?
Hell
Also legitimately my weird moba thing is that I’m way more annoyed by abilities that stop me from using my mobility skills then flat out hard CC
vestal trench
How does lightning scroll work with silver ult? 🤔
lavish grove
Despite them being objectively worse CC
bleak thicket
thats very testable holliday
lavish shale
How does lightning scroll work with silver ult? 🤔
my first assumption is it doesn't
lavish grove
Can she even buy it?
vestal trench
Well im just curious since im at school i wanted to ask if someone had already had experience i can check l8r
granite heath
Fine, no stamina drain.
We will just also port Bane. I'm sure nightmare will be a perfectly fine ability to replicate in a shooter.
finite patrol
and antimage
"but jenny theres no mana?"
yes, but we can do stamina antimage
old Mina is stamina antimage
lavish grove
Fine, no stamina drain.
We will just also port Bane. I'm sure nightmare will be...
Oh god
lavish grove
old Mina is stamina antimage
God yah I forgot she used to drain stamina a bunch
bleak thicket
i wonder how deadlock treant protector would work
do you just do a
prophunt hero??
finite patrol
she still drains stamina just not 2(?!?) per proc
earnest verge
i wonder how deadlock treant protector would work
Probably some kind of shadow character who merges with walls or smth, but that is a really different vibe, hmm
But mostly I don't think it works with the different perspective
lavish grove
Another stealth character along with Haze would be neat
lavish shale
Another stealth character along with Haze would be neat
clearly we need another pocket Riki
finite patrol
Probably some kind of shadow character who merges with walls or smth, but that i...
solid snake
vestal trench
Probably some kind of shadow character who merges with walls or smth, but that i...
Ooh someone who turns into 2d graffiti would be cool very ny
earnest verge
The closest thing functionally would be, like, someone who blends in with lane creeps
merry verge
Graffiti might be too recent
earnest verge
Since those are the only things that you can find all across the map
lavish grove
clearly we need another pocket Riki
My only exposure to DOTA is watching a friend play and complain about it so y’all keep saying these DOTA characters and I don’t got a clue what most of them are
granite heath
Since those are the only things that you can find all across the map
ghost pigeon hero
bleak thicket
The closest thing functionally would be, like, someone who blends in with lane c...
dota 2 life stealer
lavish grove
Graffiti might be too recent
Doesn’t Billy reference graffiti?
merry verge
Aerosol paint cans 1949 we might be in there
lavish grove
Also I mean, the game isn’t really bound to its 20s-30s aesthetic
The game pulls from all throughout 20th century America
vestal trench
There's graffiti on the new subway sections!
lavish grove
Shiv is just a greaser
merry verge
Billy is just an angrier goat head James Dean
finite patrol
Since those are the only things that you can find all across the map
boxes and urns!!!
solid snake!!!!!
lavish grove
Billy is based off like, the 70s punk movement
earnest verge
boxes and urns!!!
Yeah but they're like, way less omnipresent and less numerous still
I can sorta see it but it'd still be a different vibe
Like a mimic or something
No, I think the closest thing Deadlock has to trees has gotta be walls
So like
granite heath
My only exposure to DOTA is watching a friend play and complain about it so y’al...
Techies are the minelaying goblins, they're not as polarizing as they used to be but still carry that essence.
Huskar is a lane stomper with no mana, who applies a stacking DoT on his auto attacks, and gets more attack speed and magic resist as his health gets lower.
Bane is a nightmare horse with two really long duration disables.
Riki is a hero who turns permanently invisible unless attacking once he gets level 6.
Treant Protector gets treewalking and invisibility in trees, and has a lot of damage at the cost of being slow.
earnest verge
A character that can see and go through (some?) walls, maybe
lavish shale
How does lightning scroll work with silver ult? 🤔
she can buy it, but it doesn't seem to actually work
merry verge
Deadlock needs a Tango, let me eat part of a building
granite heath
Oh, Anti-Mage is the hero whose auto attacks drain mana.
I think that's everyone mentioned so far.
lavish grove
Techies are the minelaying goblins, they're not as polarizing as they used to be...
Thank you
granite heath
Deadlock needs a Tango, let me eat part of a building
More games need tango items.
Yes, eating a tree is the most common way of restoring health. No, it's not weird, why would it be?
lavish grove
Oh, Anti-Mage is the hero whose auto attacks drain mana.
Yah, then and bane were the only 2 I knew because they were two I watched my friend play against
earnest verge
More games need tango items.
Yes, eating a tree is the most common way of resto...
The tango eats the tree and you're just eating the tango, obviously 😤
granite heath
Yah, then and bane were the only 2 I knew because they were two I watched my fri...
Put nightmare into deadlock. Let it spread to allies who shoot you.
lavish shale
Bane's thing is also that Nightmare is a long duration disable, but bounces to whoever attacks the target
warped ridge
Ooh someone who turns into 2d graffiti would be cool very ny
Ahh, Strinova
granite heath
The tango eats the tree and you're just eating the tango, obviously 😤
It's the Tango of Essification, so it just lets you essen the tree.
bleak thicket
How does lightning scroll work with silver ult? 🤔
tested, doesnt seem to work at all
cause the ult doesnt do any damage
vestal trench
got it, thank you for testing, since graves ult does seem to work w/ it despite no initial damage on cast i was curious, im trying to theory craft items that synergize with it.
bleak thicket
yeah i tested it with Rems ult too
it doesnt stun until the nap time expires
and it deals the headache damage
and then it procs lightning scroll
so its very much just "did this ult do or lead to some damage without any other actions"
finite patrol
shes been out a day
just
give it some time
oh god I was watching a stream last night 2 hours after release while eating dinner and everyone was dumping on silver and the streamer was like "its been 2 hours you've seen her 2 or 3 times tops"
vestal trench
diviners kevlar,,, that might be good on silver
finite patrol
she seems like a pretty high skill ceiling character too so it will take longer for her to be realized
vestal trench
yeah i dont know if shes like good but shes fun at least, she hasnt even been out 24 hours 😭
warped ridge
oh god I was watching a stream last night 2 hours after release while eating din...
Nah she's totally bad.
She totally needs buffs
100% I'm not biased in anyway /s
bleak thicket
she has double the abilities of anyone else
warped ridge
she has double the abilities of anyone else
Yeh exactly, everyone was all like, "if abilities are so good, what about abilities 2?" And then they made Silver and people are all like, "she's bad"
Like remember Half Life 2 on release?
warped ridge
Same tbh
bleak thicket
i was 9 when that released
finite patrol
I only played hl with the orange box
finite patrol
PC
we had it for xbox as well actually
if i iirc correctly
I think a neighbour gave us one of them
earnest verge
she seems like a pretty high skill ceiling character too so it will take longer ...
She's an extremely strong duelist, if nothing else
I'm not good enough at Deadlock to tell you how much this matters
random urchin
I did play against a silver as mcginnis and every time she got wolf and came at me I'd just wall and that was very funny
warped ridge
she should buy tele shard
but then again Idk if that lets you go through ginnis wall
finite patrol
warp stone does not let you teleport through wall
warped ridge
Rip
quiet sapphire
yeah warp stone needs line of sight to its destination
bleak thicket
weirdly
dynamo teleport lets you go through wall
if you cast it before walls goes up and the wall goes up as youre teleporting
quiet sapphire
the Quantum is already Entangled
bleak thicket
ive had it happen to me a whole once
quiet sapphire
you cannot so easily stop the motions of the heavens with your profane machinery, mcginnis
finite patrol
Dynamo teleport goes through walls all the time so its not all that odd.
quiet sapphire
you can nab your teammates through walls too
unless I TRY to do it
and then noooo-
my friend is left behind a wall getting wailed on by a calico and an abrams whilst i sit here in my little quantum tunnel
feeling quite bad
sorry friend, skill issue on the saving you part, couldn't press m3
😔
rich grove
my biggest gigabrain dynamo 2 was giving someone iframes in secret shop through the ceiling
still swan
finite patrol
im alarmed at how quickly chud has been transmuted into just meaning "shitass"
stable forum
yeaah, they've done some stuff to address this but it's still unpleasant. It's hard to deal with leads in general.
warped ridge
I thought that was the point of Dota over the other mobas
Is it's such a super specific granular game that if anybody has more game knowledge they just kinda sweep the lobby
mild flume
dota has so many factors to who wins a game
and game knowledge is just one and not a huge one often
warped ridge
ah ok
but still
it's expected that 1 person can just sweep the lobby assuming they have many of the factors in check correct?
mild flume
that can happen its not expected
big it depends
sometimes one player can take over a game totally but what allows that is often a confluence of factors
warped ridge
would you say it happens more while mmr is adjusting itself for people with less than 50 games?
mild flume
probably? I have not been in that situation for a long time
it probably happens the most in low to mid skill when someone can execute the gameplan of a character but before people learn common answers
warped ridge
esp if the people with the common answers aren't laning against the person who is winconning the char ye?
merry verge
It feels kind of Character Agnostic, s'been damn near anyone
mild flume
I mean lanes get dumpstered a bunch but then like
you just gotta leave and recover and thats often possible
or get a gank or etc
if all your lanes lose then game will be hard
merry verge
I just don't know how 'oh i only have 250 games on Pocket' gets in a lane against Mr. I Don't Know Parrying Exists
warped ridge
oh that's easy
mild flume
group matchmaking is a hard problem
warped ridge
it's because person A is not good at the game past the character so they got put in the same MMR as the person who doesn't know parrying exists yet
merry verge
The person is clearly good at macro at a level that lets them run the house idk
warped ridge
and likely any games they do win are games where they just are good enough at the char the rest of the factors don't matter
merry verge
Like I said it's not a character thing
mild flume
also maybe doesn't know parries actually is good at taking over games as victor or has better than average shooting for their mmr or etc
warped ridge
The person is clearly good at macro at a level that lets them run the house idk
fair but that's assuming the enemy team has people who aren't just worse at macro
random urchin
Also basically any moba with itemization will have carries that can get you of control. That's the point of a carry.
vestal hearth
Is every lane 2v2 or is there a jungler?
merry verge
I'm not talking about carries I know how that works I'm saying one persons playtime shouldn't match the rest of the players total but it's whatever I'm griping
warped ridge
ah
mild flume
playtime is also not skill
merry verge
Like they're clearly always also bored
warped ridge
I mean they could but they could also be someone like me who plays brawl for 100+ games but doesn't like main game
random urchin
It's still a semi closed alpha so like the player base is only so large for matchmaking to function well
mild flume
I think like people underesatimate how different games with the same teams can go quite differently
its easy to see someone having a bad game and go that player is real bad, or the opposite
earnest verge
I think like people underesatimate how different games with the same teams can g...
Watching enough pro games is eye opening yeah
I've seen stomps as big in them as anything I've personally experienced
mild flume
yeah watching pro games you see sometimes players that are world class get their shit absolutely rocked
earnest verge
And then the next match can go the other way
warped ridge
I just assume by queuing into main game at all unless I'm in a stack with majority player count for a team (in this case 4 players) that any match I could be placed against a pro player for seemingly no reason
mild flume
I would be very surprised if I had played against a deadlock pro
warped ridge
that way regardless of what happens it's just "gg" and go next
merry verge
A teammate going 0/12 and ending the match with 'i just wanted to try Kelvin and heal people :(' just bummed me right out
Like the new player experience is so fucking brutal
And they can't resist styling upon them
mild flume
thats the nature of pvp multiplayer games
warped ridge
was the enemy team being toxic by tbagging or being toxic in chat?
merry verge
Usually dead silent chat
warped ridge
then yeah just the 0/12 teammates playing a new char and playing really unsafe more than likely
there's no onboarding on this game ye so they might have been better off playing brawl instead of main game
merry verge
Brawl seems like a good way to immerse yourself in the skills and items
But the moment to moment feels way different
mild flume
yeah it has none of the macro play
merry verge
Also wondering if it should get some sort of Defender Protection like Patrons
warped ridge
like if anyone asked me "I want to play deadlock, what should I do?" I'd recommend they make a list of 6 characters they want to try and play at least 10 matches of them in brawl, then they can go play bot matches and pick 2-3 builds per char and play 10 matches there on each char and then queue into pvp
somber creek
Silver's gun is so hard to land damn
warped ridge
I love it, it's my favorite m1 in this game so far lol
merry verge
The Slam Fire 1 gives me the nervous
warped ridge
but again I play fps shooters like crazy so a gun that actually makes me feel like I have to actually aim makes me feel more at home prob
merry verge
'I gotta lock in' /miss miss 5 damage
warped ridge
'I gotta lock in' /miss miss 5 damage
5 shots missed are 5 shots never fired 😎
mild flume
I think it really comes down to like, how much your player can tolerate some bad beats
warped ridge
might as well shoot
earnest verge
Silver's gun is so hard to land damn
The trick is that it gets a lot easier when the enemy is down to 40% move speed 😤
mild flume
which I think is a skill
warped ridge
The trick is that it gets a lot easier when the enemy is down to 40% move speed ...
2->flick 180-> launch backwards->3->S key while they try to run away back to their tower or w/e
merry verge
She seems pretty tank-shreddy with the amount of current hp damage
mild flume
yeah I'm interested to see how playing into her as m+k feels
merry verge
Disarm seems annoying
warped ridge
disarm doesn't block abilities ye?
merry verge
Two of your human abilities involve gun! And the wolf M1 is important too
Honestly both Disarm and Silence seem good against her
warped ridge
M1 you can proc and wait and you don't lose it (afaik), wolf m1 would be stuck yeh
merry verge
Her ult seems to go off regardless though
mild flume
her proper combos definitely outtrade m+k but she has to hit it
disarm is effective, she definitely just has more raw fight in a protracted engagement
but she can't do a lot without playing in grab range
its probably quite interesting and likely a bit silver favoured but volatile
earnest verge
her proper combos definitely outtrade m+k but she has to hit it
Yeah and for laning purposes, it obviously takes a bit before she has the entire thing online
merry verge
She's maybe the most Deniable character out there
mild flume
m+k lane is relatively medium until 2.4k at which point he gets very strong
merry verge
I started not last hitting and just waiting to pop the soul
late hare
picked up Calico and did surprisingly well with her
merry verge
Didja make much tunnel use
Also I've yet to see anyone not get tricked by doubling back on those subway teleporters
It's funny every time
late hare
I can’t use her 3 super effectively but the rest is good
In general my knowledge of the map and how it plays into the game is pretty minimal
merry verge
Same, I'm trying to get better at moving between lanes
I swear Cheat Death has a secondary passive that makes everyone blow their cooldowns on you before the team arrives
Might be my favorite item now >:T
warped ridge
woof just got the worst graves and the enemy sinclar literally played graves better than our graves was crazy
merry verge
I think the nerfs might have hit hard, her already Not Great early game is roouuugh now
Late Graves still kind of a demon
New Character season must be especially fun for Sinclair mains
warped ridge
I'd say so
upbeat perch
her proper combos definitely outtrade m+k but she has to hit it
what's m+k in this context?
mo?
rich grove
yeah mo
finite patrol
considering he's discussing the mo and krill vs silver matchup
merry verge
mochael and krilliam
upbeat perch
turns out i did not scroll up high enough then
finite patrol
you're losing ev against lash players by the second!
upbeat perch
(started at the cursed apple nuclear family)
finite patrol
I don't get that at all
finite patrol
I ban haze simply because I hate seeing her in Every
Single
Game
rich grove
you would not ban lash because you can't counter lash
you would ban lash because your teammates will feed him 4 every fight
frail jasper
A good Lash can be horribly unfun to fight and singlehandedly win entire fights in an instant. This isn't true for just Lash though. There's still others i would prioritize over Lash to ban.
merry verge
Lash has some stuff to do in between giant damage bursts at least
I'd rather fight six of 'em than Warden
warped ridge
you would not ban lash because you can't counter lash
you would ban lash because...
just queue with a stack
frail jasper
But if you're really on the ball you can get items that cripple a Lash. One of my favorites is silence wave, because even though you maybe can't stop him from ulting your entire team, you CAN silence him before you get thrown so he doesn't follow up with a ground slam that blows you all up in one go
rich grove
I don't care enough to ban any character because it would give me no extra agency over the game
simply learn counterplay
if I'm solo queued what is the coinflip odds of my ban getting banned gonna do for me except for psychological impact
frail jasper
I understand just getting sick of dealing with certain characters though
warped ridge
I would only really ban mcginnis or graves in brawl
but once one of them are banned IDC
I just don't want to see both on the same team
dusky flume
Sooner or later, I want to get into some actual matches. Just working through this anxiety over doing moba stuff (not terribly confident in my exp)
upbeat perch
some basic q:
outside of getting counterspell, what is the suggested default (if it exists) action to take when i get anviled?
merry verge
already have cast Unstoppable
frail jasper
Dispel magic (debuff remover). Don't be off the ground when it hits, because the stun lasts longer if you're airborne
merry verge
buying Knockdown does kind of feel like the Make Them Buy Debuff Remover item
frail jasper
Iframe abilities like Mina 2 or rem 2, dynamo, mirage, etc
merry verge
Mina getting I-frames during her ult.. rich girl priviledges
upbeat perch
frail jasper
Definitely try not to jump or otherwise be airborne though. If you're a flyer type character you better be ready to buy dispel magic or counterspell
If you have a big ult type deal (Abrams, Lash, seven, dynamo) you need Unstoppable
vapid ember
https://medal.tv/games/deadlock/clips/m2V6CgY7E3OW09Unm?invite=cr-MSwya0MsOTQ2OTM2NQ&v=19 new to the game, was really tilted/frustrated over the game in my first 30 games, found out I was playing in ritualist/arcanist with people 600 hours above me, now im seeker and actually having fun
yamato is the funnest source engine character ever
merry verge
Yamato truly one of those Raid Boss feeling characters sometimes
Her, Shiv, Wolf Silver now
vapid ember
I liked drifter and visc, visc felt super weak tho
even pre nerf*
but I was mainly playing a support cube focused build
merry verge
Visc I can't figure out, every player I know that plays him pretty much solely plays him
also way back in the day Yamato Ult made her fully invulnerable for like 6 seconds
It was.. something
warped ridge
I miss 4 lanes
vapid ember
when the game first came out I did nothing but play movement mo & krill
I was flying across the map
quiet sapphire
as you should
vapid ember
be annoying as possible
vapid ember
This is how I keep the spirit of Doorman
Every doorman I play vs feels like they're bad/new
idk how to word it
maybe its because I associate doorman with "fan of doorman's look outside of the game and is playing it for the first time/jerma fan" in my head
merry verge
he's a little finnicky but at the end of the day if you land enough bells you're putting in work
finite patrol
doorman is probably the hardest support to play in the game
warped ridge
Disagree, Rem is harder
finite patrol
door placement is a huge amount of knowledge
rich grove
sinclair :v)
finite patrol
and cart combos can be tricky
warped ridge
Sinclair is a support?
rich grove
(that's a lie you can sleepwalk playing sinclair if you have depth perception)
warped ridge
damn, hope he signed a prenup
merry verge
kind of the opposite, they bound their souls together postmortem and deeply regret it
dusky flume
Can I mash my keyboard and still play Sinclair?
merry verge
Sinclair is a husband and wife
warped ridge
Can I mash my keyboard and still play Sinclair?
you can do that with all characters
rich grove
sinclair "baseline" effectiveness is "can you lead a target to land 1 and 3" and "can you effectively go in for a steal, then reposition to use that ult effectively"
merry verge
am I wrong in feeling that counterspell might be better into Bebop than debuff remover now
it just kind of drops giant nukes for the team to land on in teamfights
finite patrol
sounds correct
merry verge
well i guess counterspell doesn't stop that part exactly either, hrmh
finite patrol
nah but with dispel you also have to get out of the aoe
merry verge
True
finite patrol
gonna depend on the other stuff in the game right
Mina still gonna buy dispel
youre still going to heavily consider dispel against infernus + bebop
dusky flume
Is there someone that enables me to just whack everything like a caveman?
merry verge
Melee is kind of counterable by design
rich grove
billy
upbeat perch
silver when ulting?
vapid ember
how much build diversity does yamato have?
warped ridge
a long time ago she had gun
now adays gun feels awful on her so I really only see spirit
whether or not it's dps spirit or bruiser spirit seems to be up to the person tho
merry verge
See a decent amount of variety in spirit yamato ye
final osprey
I think Yamato is like, spirit nuker or Brawler
merry verge
Except Torment Pulse, there must always be the Torment Pulse
rich grove
the reverb buffs push her pretty hard into oneshot I think
final osprey
Torment pulse is an always for any character who gets close enough to use tbf. It's just a good item
merry verge
It's fun when they think they can outtrade power slash
rich grove
Do They Know ass ability
frail jasper
TP is a core item even for REM
merry verge
Torment and Radiant Regen just feel so pleasant together
vapid ember
the reverb buffs push her pretty hard into oneshot I think
yeah her fully charged 1 nukes people
rich grove
well that and you just get so much fucking health back
vapid ember
im used to not doing damage in this game, rip a fully charged 1 and 1 shot someone at 50%
rich grove
people are seriously considering reverb on victor just because you constantly get a proc off of aura
and that heals you for a whole jumpstart somehow
merry verge
Truly expected them to say "oh Mystic was actually giving 120% lifesteal by mistake" last patch
rich grove
between reverb 1 and 3 and the ult reset you get a fuckin chunk of health without having to eat as many greens as you did on full tankmato
item is goofy and its only real con is the tempo loss of not building from anything that I recall
so you just have to hard commit to getting the 6.4k
winged terrace
does silver do like no damage or is that just my skill issue?
rich grove
probably
but also everyone probably has a skill issue as the character has been out one whole day lol
@magic summit (napsskai on hellsite)
dusky flume
Aw, she's adorable when she's angy
magic summit
dusky flume
So the game itself is rec'ing me Apollo, Celeste, Graves, Silver, Rem and Venator to try
dusky flume
Figured as much
finite patrol
what kinda role u wanna play
rich grove
https://tenor.com/view/old-man-its-peak-its-way-too-peak-its-honestly-more-than-...
realising that most of the experiences I've had against competent pockets are them just ragebaiting me into eating 400 spirit damage
merry verge
I forget the briefcase hiding explodes every time
THEY'RE SO LOW WHEN THEY GET OUT I'LL- /bam
granite heath
Same
It's Puck's Phase Shift, it shouldn't do that until they buy a shard!
dusky flume
what kinda role u wanna play
Not too sure which fits me best. I'm thinking within a moba mindset, which I don't have as much experience with
merry verge
play the funniest character moment to moment /sagely nodding
warped ridge
sleep dagger punch haze
rich grove
I just keep trying to chase without a slowing gex or silence glyph and it's just a moron decision every time
what the fuck am I as haze going to accomplish, beefing sleep dagger into their suitcase and then eating 80% full combo
am I stupid
finite patrol
Not too sure which fits me best. I'm thinking within a moba mindset, which I don...
I would recommend Wraith, Infernus, Seven, Haze, Kelvin, Billy, Mo+Krill, and Warden as easy characters if you want some characters that are easy to get into
rich grove
ALCHEMICAL FLASK
merry verge
I'd put Billy like one tier above them in terms of like gamesense/hitting the charge
and Kelvin Ult gets a special placement of 'you sure can ruin your own teams day'
finite patrol
I'd just say aside from those just pick characters who excite you
frail jasper
ALCHEMICAL FLASK
I once saw a dynamo get absolutely bullied out of lane by a flask warden
It was pitiful honestly
merry verge
every Warden is a bully
finite patrol
rather than tiering harder characters
merry verge
and he's stealing the fit of God's Favorite Baby, Soldier TeamFortressTwo >:[[[
/how dare you stood where he stood etc etc
the only other like aesthetic lineup is that Lash could be Scout's Dad
vestal trench
Yeah I also do think that it is easier to play a character that you like as a design and lorewise . There's a mental aspect.
merry verge
( well, in the comics- )
wait, no Lash is what the Scout thinks he looks like.. that's it
frail jasper
Yeah I also do think that it is easier to play a character that you like as a de...
If you feel like it's fun to make in-character all chat posts then you're more likely to have fun playing that character
I love running into Lash method actors
vestal trench
Yeah im actually fine with toxicity as long as it feels in character lol
I still havent figured out who I want to main....
frail jasper
The best Lash roleplayers understand that being an asshole doesn't mean you have to be toxic
Lash is a fun character even if he's an asshole because when you look into it more you find that he's not like, a -phobic puppy kicker. He's egocentric and kind of an idiot but it doesn't preclude him from holding opinions that have at least some logical merit
late hare
you also get to watch him run into an even worse person (Vyper) and get his whole shtick thrown off
frail jasper
Vyper is such a freak
vestal trench
I adore her i need her redesign
frail jasper
"You smell different when you're awake." to Lash
dusky flume
looks up Vyper oh hello
finite patrol
now listen to all of her voice lines
late hare
Ohoho
vivid nimbus
Lash is a fun character even if he's an asshole because when you look into it mo...
In a stream, I saw someone say “Lash, you’re my favorite” and Lash replied “I’m everyone’s favorite”
agile void
a rem started being toxic in chat, then started attacking me because I did nothing but just farm
score comes up
I was the main pusher, 16k obj damage compared to everyone else going 1 or 2k
warped ridge
rem wanted to feel good about picking rem and have gazillion assists
and you denied them
how could u
vapid ember
playing like 30 games in ritualist as a new player, it feels weird to actually pop off now
maybe it was the game forcing me to get better asap
edgy fog
Was just playing a three vs four brawl
we managed to win despite being a person down
I was Rem. I was throwing Nuclear heat seeking pillows
Silver kept trying to dive me but I kept managing to fly away and nap on someone.
I also managed to get the greater expander and the infuser so whenever people did damage to me I'd infuse and throw my pillow into the middle of the enemy minions and get almost all my health back
vestal hearth
mild flume
I don't care enough to ban any character because it would give me no extra agenc...
Ban the characters your friends are worst at 😛
vestal hearth
frail jasper
cherry jam
warped ridge
Damn I'd ask if I could have some but looks like she ate all of it
edgy fog
So most people in deadlock can be pretty friendly but have at least one beef. Who does viscous beef with?
Probably that slark character when they come out eventually.
raven spindle
it would be so funny if viscous beefed with Nobody
edgy fog
Tru
warped ridge
Vicous beefs with me
edgy fog
I know ivy beefs with Billy
And honestly I can see warden beefing with people whenever they develop him out more
autumn field
I should spam random Heathcliff-ass lines when I play Billy
British Billy is gonna make people fucking lose it
Oi. Mate, your aim? Sucks ass.
Bloody hell, that’s the best you can do with your laser gun?
vivid nimbus
I should spam random Heathcliff-ass lines when I play Billy
The cat?
autumn field
The cat?
Heathcliff from the hit game Limbus Company based on the hit book that every AP English student adores, Wuthering Heights!
vivid nimbus
Oh right Wuthering Heights, except not even that guy, techncially
Okay reading some Heathcliff (Bronte) lines I think this would be even funnier
“I have lost the faculty of enjoying their destruction, and I am too idle to destroy for nothing.”
autumn field
[insert Linton-accurate language here]
somber creek
So most people in deadlock can be pretty friendly but have at least one beef. Wh...
Currently no one
autumn field
I love how even the Archmother just goes “Rem you are adorable”
frail jasper
So most people in deadlock can be pretty friendly but have at least one beef. Wh...
viscous has no beef with anyone except the Adversary
mild flume
with all the new like
melee abilities
its kinda interesting that yamato's stuff is not
finite patrol
i wouldnt be surprised if they do a retool of her when they give her the new look and crimson slash probably becomes melee damage
idk about power, probably not
that things a railgun, not a sword
mild flume
yeah
vestal hearth
Probably want to see how other melee things go before they go in on the sword lady.
rich grove
you do not want a character like yamato to get lifestrike bennies on top of crimson slash inherent lifesteal and firerate reduction jesus christ they can never do this
mild flume
yeah I mean it would have to be nerfed to compensate but like
its just getting a bit thematically weird
rich grove
eh
nobody is begging for mina 1 to be melee
all the other melee abilities are if anything specifically the caster's limbs or a limb analog hitting you so it would frankly be weirder if they made a sword melee damage
mild flume
yeah hmm
I mean her sword is used in her melee
but yes
I guess when I think about it silver is more the outlier
finite patrol
all the other melee abilities are if anything specifically the caster's limbs or...
in 9 days when Apollos sword does melee damage all the time you are going to be fucking sick to your stomach
mild flume
lmao
frail jasper
apollo walks forward holding m1 and blows you up because he bought crushing fists
swishing his stupid toothpick around
vivid nimbus
all the other melee abilities are if anything specifically the caster's limbs or...
Billy's Bashdown uses the club
vivid nimbus
nobody is begging for mina 1 to be melee
I think Rend (Drifer) vs Rake (Mina) is an interesting comparison TBH
autumn field
Drifter’s rend is fun
I feel like it’s a bit backwards though, lmao
God crushing fists Billy with extra charges and trans cd / all ability refresh is incredible to play though
Also I really want to run green/purple Billy more
edgy fog
Won a brawl by ramming myself (victor) into the walker and having the enemy team turn around, kill me, and kill the walker in the explosion
It was damn close but the revive could not be stopped
earnest verge
yeah melee abilities are honestly pretty rare, it just feels like a lot since Silver has two 😤
There's her, Billy, Viscous, I think I'm forgetting one other
Billy and Viscous are the only ones who gets Heavy Melee procs on that, and only after fully levelling those abilities
Oh, Bebop, Calico and Drifter, that's a fair number actually
edgy fog
Oh speaking of melee procs
part of me has been tempted to mess around with spirit snatch Rem
put people to sleep, heavy melee them, massive burst, pillow throw
frail jasper
As a dedicated rem player, this would be valid.
autumn field
Tankbuster spirit burn Rem
frail jasper
I think tankbuster is not a good pick, but spirit burn is a good buy (it's usually one of my late "winning and filthy rich" buys)
autumn field
iirc it’s actually solid on Rem
It fits his CD quite nicely and adds +40 damage quite regularly
And I thought Rem generally builds green + purple
edgy fog
he do
autumn field
Which makes tabkbuster pretty solid, right?
edgy fog
Not sure, will haev to check what it really does
autumn field
i think deal over 150 dmg at once, and it deals 40 + 7.5% current HP
which is like, 300 on a green billy
edgy fog
Honestly yeah looks like it'd be good
Since you mostly just nuke
It works with a sleep/spirit snatch nuke too
a rem with tank buster and spirit snatch only can ult, heavy melee, then pillow and kill the test abrams in the training room
autumn field
mmm yep
rich grove
stop encouraging people to do things because it kills a level 1 abrams who can't use buttons
edgy fog
Alright?
I'm just saying they can do it
This feels like a very strange response I'm going to be honest
rich grove
it's white room buildtesting except the room doesn't even have four walls yet
frail jasper
It's less that tankbuster is bad on rem (it works great with pillow), it's more that your pillows still beat everyone without tankbuster anyway and that's souls that could go to either an active item to hard-counter someone or save up for the bigger nuke tool of spirit burn
especially if you max your 2, which is a HUGE buff to your spirit power akin to a free Boundless Spirit
the pillow already has 1.6x spirit scaling
torn gulch
stop encouraging people to do things because it kills a level 1 abrams who can't...
You can make him immortal for testing raw damage I guess
merry verge
Seven's animations work strangely well for Silver, but it does make it seem like her legs and torso operate on different physics, also That Parry
also feels nice to see streamers also Completely Whiff Slam Fire
short quiver
magic summit
I love melee abilities
agile void
magic summit
It's why I'm excited for Apollo and will likely add Silver to my side roster once the new character excitement is over
I do wish more characters had "changes to a heavy melee" as part of their upgrade
I'd love to build Calico melee like that but it's pretty troll
candid horizon
It's why I'm excited for Apollo and will likely add Silver to my side roster onc...
apollo is my number one goat
im holding out for him releasing next monday tbh
late hare
speaking of melee, I'm still shopping around for characters I wanna play but what's the idea behind melee Ivy?
just stun and then slap them, I figure?
magic summit
Ivy has one of the few melee cancels left too
Heavy melee charge, cancel it into stone form, then hit them
late hare
huh! does it keep the charge or is it just a good way to mixup when they go for the parry
magic summit
Mixup
frail jasper
Bait the parry then punish
frail jasper
I always thank the enemy bebop for not running bomb at level 1
finite patrol
I dont think ive seen a bebop level hook first in a very long time
twilit roost
The 110 dmg poke on a 11 second cooldown is pretty good for laning phase
Also come on Yoshi when are we getting an upgrade that makes the uppercut deal heavy melee damage
finite patrol
not every ability that does melee damage has to deal heavy melee damage
twilit roost
Eh if they move away from bomb and gun upgrades they might, his t3 just got changed to heal you
vivid nimbus
Sticky Bomb T3 used to disarm??
late hare
I dont think ive seen a bebop level hook first in a very long time
I don't rush it over bomb per se, but it's the ability I finish leveling first
vivid nimbus
Oh and before disarm it was silence
finite patrol
I don't rush it over bomb per se, but it's the ability I finish leveling first
I meant at level 1. everyone takes bomb first
late hare
I also take hook first then, personally
ime people do not really respect the fact that I can yank them under guardian and often aren't conscientious about how they use stamina
lavish grove
Sticky Bomb T3 used to *disarm*??
Bebop bombs were so fucking insane then
Bebop in general was fucking insane
merry verge
Every time I look at earlier balance I am reminded why I bounced off
also everything being Weird and Grey
lavish grove
Full spirit might as well have been a walking nuclear silo
If you ever got pulled you’d get double bombed, punched into your team and watch everyone die
merry verge
now that Dispel just drops the bomb full spirit Bop is kind of hilarious if one-trick-y
feels like he adds Stage Hazards
also good god the healing on Silver Bite feels great
if you don't burst her down in humanmode you're in gotdamn trouble
with the bonus hp and heal from ult and then that it's like a 1200 hp shift
warm sonnet
I really gotta up my shoost-game, because silver is deviously dependent on decent meatshots
lavish grove
Yah same
merry verge
I'm just glad she's not a Full Auto Tracking Type x-x
lavish grove
I mostly played Billy, Victor and Abrams
And while obviously they all wanna shoot people
None of them really rely on super good aim
Silver is really testing that for me
merry verge
Really good aim while also doing a sick kickflip off the enemy forehead
lavish grove
Yah that too
The rest of my characters mobility is essentially just
Press W and 2 towards the enemy
merry verge
My other 'shoots guns' type is Drifter and he's uh
'to whom it may concern' kind of thing
lavish grove
Silver can do that in wolf form but in human form she’s gotta do way more
merry verge
'cept for the 2 Sniping
lavish grove
Silver bola is so goddamn hard to hit
lavish grove
Yah
It honestly feels worse to be hit by then like, a normal immobilize
Because it gives you the feeling of normal movement even if you’ve really been gutted
merry verge
Graves Root feels bad because like it's always Player Error
I coulda Jumped But Alas
lavish grove
Yah
vivid nimbus
Simple jump isn't enough
merry verge
Doublejump yeah
I gotta get better at the real quick walljumps, always go too early and blow stamina
lavish grove
Also btw Chatroom, anyone else always build stamina mastery? Even on characters that probably don’t need it?
warped ridge
I think I only build it on victor cause his 2 isn't a good escape
merry verge
being able to move faster and fly is good for uh many folks
warped ridge
And I know full well using the 2 means my team will walk the other way lol
final osprey
I should probably buy Stamina Master more as my team mates never want to run it, and I find myself annoyingly unable too often
lavish grove
I think I only build it on victor cause his 2 isn't a good escape
I always build stamina mastery and juggernaut on victor to run people down
That along with spirit slow means it’s really easy to just press W and watch people die
merry verge
Have some Graves games where i get Stamina Mastery and Arcane Surge but probably excessive
but also ULT DURATION.. GO..
and flying around like a hornet makes her M1 spammery even more threatening
late hare
A general observation in my games is that, putting aside the influence of Graves, tanky brawlers tend to be the most troublesome
namely Abrams, Vic, and Billy
vivid nimbus
Draintank Graves go
late hare
this might be because I tend to play more burst-heavy characters (Bebop esp.)
merry verge
Abrams and Billy have been very strong lately and they nerfed Vic a bit too, I see him far less though
Lategame hypercarries need something big to shoot
This is nature
merry verge
The many boons of being ratbaby..
lavish grove
Also chat, are y’all running mystic shot on Silver?
I’m seeing it alongside express shot to make her human burst better
merry verge
Yeah I've seen it a few times but it feels like a lotta money for not a lotta return
finite patrol
the best thing about mystic shot is that it scales really well with spirit and silver doesnt buy much spirit
granite heath
is the next hero today or tomorrow?
merry verge
Venator Celeste Apollo, gotta be
granite heath
That's the order I suspect
merry verge
Also Silver/Holliday is a fun lane also Yee Haw
still swan
I've seen no hype of Apollo lol
merry verge
I think the only I've seen is ship art together with Graves
warped ridge
I've seen no hype of Apollo lol
If Apollo doesn't come dead last I will be suprised
I am very curious to see though
lavish grove
I've seen no hype of Apollo lol
My friend is voting Apollo but she’s the only person I know
I do imagine he’ll be popular once he’s out though
lavish grove
He’s looking like a high mobility duelist and character like that are always popular
autumn field
i want apollo (mechanically)
granite heath
I think Grandar is all in on Apollo as well?
lavish grove
His kit could just be Fiora league of legends and he’ll have a high pick rate
granite heath
Anyway I'm going to continue splitting my vote Venator/Celeste.
lavish grove
I am interested in how a pure melee character like him will do
autumn field
Pepper.
autumn field
I am interested in how a pure melee character like him will do
billy:
ivory reef
i know <@140921736588689408> wants him
And in the game!
bleak thicket
lol
lavish grove
Since rn walkers are extremely hard to take with melee
ivory reef
I think Grandar is all in on Apollo as well?
He's doing it for me
That perfidious cutie
lavish grove
billy:
Billy’s gun is actually pretty good
Gun Billy is his current strongest build I think
frail jasper
I'm unable to do so right now, but I wish to steal sinners sacrifice vaults from the enemy team with my stupid little helpers. I AM THE RAT.
autumn field
you can play trans cool refresher echo shard billy to feel how fucking obnoxious apollo will be /j
merry verge
Billy's gun is basically also melee it counts
frail jasper
I love denying my opponents valuable resources
autumn field
Gun Billy is his current strongest build I think
i couldve sworn his main builds rn are green spirit
frail jasper
I love stealing all of their boxes during lane
lavish grove
I’m mostly just curious because of how it’ll change taking towers tbh
Towers you can just parry but like
Idk how you’re supposed to take a Walker if you don’t have a gun
bleak thicket
do we know he doesnt have a gun?
lavish grove
Besides being very slow about it
bleak thicket
or any kind of range?
lavish grove
do we know he doesnt have a gun?
I heard his leaked kit was pure melee
I might be wrong though and he has some kinda projectile
bleak thicket
how accurate have the leaks been for other characters?
lavish grove
I do not know
lavish grove
Yah I remember hearing that before he came out
agile void
for celeste she seems like a crowd control caster and apparently she got one of bohos skills
autumn field
very accurate
agile void
if anyone remembers checking the old console command
autumn field
exact kit
bleak thicket
ultimately if hes full melee and cant push towers then the answer to "how do i push walkers with him" is
you dont
lavish grove
very accurate
Yah that’s just silver
lavish grove
ultimately if hes full melee and cant push towers then the answer to "how do i p...
Yah that’s probably true
agile void
ultimately if hes full melee and cant push towers then the answer to "how do i p...
not so sure about that
depends on how long is the range of the melee
if he can get in and out of the stomp area he could do something
lavish grove
That’s true I haven’t considered the possibility of him swinging his word very far
agile void
iirc, he has a lunge, doesnt he?
autumn field
the fan kit (i believe fan kit) has him shooting sparks w/ extended range
lavish grove
Though tbh thinking on it more
Apollo literally comes from a species of fire elementals
bleak thicket
again, we dont really know his actual kit
lavish grove
He might just be able to shoot fire like Infernus
agile void
I do think he only uses his sword
autumn field
agile void
if he had a gun we would have seen it in the artwork already
autumn field
the kits have been pretty accurate so far
lavish grove
saying Graves is gonna be a character that requires deep knowledge and tech is really funny
frail jasper
ultimately if hes full melee and cant push towers then the answer to "how do i p...
I'm gonna baselessly predict that he will have dramatically improved parry mechanics in some way and he uses this to parry the lane guardians, and idk it applies a disarm to them so he can beat them up
bleak thicket
like id rather we dont speculate off leaks too much
agile void
saying Graves is gonna be a character that requires deep knowledge and tech is r...
I mean managing minions is macro knodwlege
frail jasper
"Highest skill ceilings in the game" but lists Billy and Warden lol
merry verge
He's going to be replaced lastminute like the Sniper vs Spy update
autumn field
"Highest skill ceilings in the game" but lists Billy and Warden lol
in the frontliner sense
frail jasper
I'm still tickled by the idea that someone considers those two to be high skill ceiling
lavish grove
Still I actually do wonder if Apollo will be tanky, like I was sorta imagining him as a squishy frontliner but idk how viable that is in deadlock
frail jasper
Maybe if you count Billy parry mindgames
lavish grove
With the way items work there’s pretty much no reason for a frontliner to not invest in health
merry verge
Billy has a decent ceiling if not a high floor tbh
final osprey
I think any melee focused character will have a decent ceiling, as they have abilities that if used wrong kill them instantly
finite patrol
Billy and Victor can both push towers pretty darn well in melee
autumn field
when i played billy it looked like
21321PUNCHPUNCHPUNCHPUNCHPUNCHPUNCH1PUNCHPUNCHPUNCHPUNCHPUNCH "oh wait they dead aready lmao"
I don't agree that "if you use abilities wrong you die" equates to high ceiling. That's a high floor.
lavish grove
I’m not sure I really agree with Billy having a high floor tbh
frail jasper
I don't either
lavish grove
Other then the base skill floor of playing deadlock
autumn field
his floor is kinda really low
merry verge
I said not a high floor!
autumn field
you just need to learn to press 21321 in that order
frail jasper
It's like a faux floor where it mostly consists of "do you know the order to push your buttons" and "how good are you at parry melee mind games"
warped ridge
Graves is not a high skill ceiling wut
frail jasper
If you know how to whack people and not get parried then you just kill them
warped ridge
Unless there's some secret tech about like, teleporting her tombstone or something
autumn field
leaks tend not to be perfect accurate
lavish grove
Graves is not a high skill ceiling wut
I mean I would say graves has a high ceiling because she’s maybe the best macro character in the game
warped ridge
Ahhhh wait
lavish grove
But macro play is really goddamn hard to take advantage of
warped ridge
Jenny just said not to speculate off leaks that's my b
warped ridge
I like Rem
merry verge
Having Rem and Graves on the enemy team is hellish
frail jasper
I do enjoy deciding that I want to crash yellow lane and drop 4 helpers while I go gank mid
merry verge
They're pushing your lanes they're stealing your jungle
autumn field
*good Rem
frail jasper
Rem might be my new favorite
warped ridge
But macro play is really goddamn hard to take advantage of
My main issue with Macro right now is figuring out lane control with creeps cause they don't seem as easy to control like in the other mobas due to heal creeps
frail jasper
Until viscous gets resurrected from the dumps
autumn field
My main issue with Macro right now is figuring out lane control with creeps caus...
step 1: graves
step 2: splitshot
jk
Seven's really good at farming the troopers
warped ridge
No I mean uhhh
Lane control
Eg freezing a lane to force an enemy to over extend if they wanna farm
So you can kill them for free
lavish grove
Seven's really good at farming the troopers
I love gun Seven
So much
I press M1 once and watch entire waves die
autumn field
Lane control
oh that
warped ridge
Ye
plain furnace
Hmmmm
How do you get access to ranked matches ?
autumn field
I love gun Seven
spirit is his main build nd i hate it
autumn field
Hmmmm
How do you get access to ranked matches ?
all matches are ranked iirc
bleak thicket
all matches are ranked yeah
merry verge
Spirit and Gun Seven play basically the same
plain furnace
Oh, ok. Where do you see your ranking, then ?
warped ridge
Top right hand corner
Profile
Should be uhhhhhhhh
Skill rating?
On the left list
I think?
twilit roost
Also in the settings I believe to see the rankings at the end of matches
lavish grove
spirit is his main build nd i hate it
I will always build 3 max gun Seven no matter how good spirit is
bleak thicket
esc
top right click on your profile pic
then sort by skill rating
lavish grove
Though ult and ball Seven is also fun
warped ridge
I will say like
Play like 50ish matches before worrying about the rank
Cause it needs to adjust even past the first placement
autumn field
is there any nonsense thing that can apply stun or fat slows on spirit damage
bleak thicket
mystic slow applies slow on spirit damage