#Deadlock
vivid nimbus
this surge
The resemblance is uncanny
autumn field
Gun graves just burns ammo really fast
mild flume
she needs to survive in close
rich grove
surge gives you the fleetfoot passive which is huge imo given her stamina requirements and her limited mag
your goal on graves as with haze is to use slide to extend your mag and surge of power is enormous value for that
chuck deadheads at someone and buttslide at/around them
autumn field
surge works normally
vivid nimbus
So does Haze put surge on smokebomb?
autumn field
it just gives your deadbeats more beats
rich grove
no haze puts surge on knife
you go stealth so your knife is 99% guaranteed, throw knife, slide while spraying their head during wakeup time, then continue the chase
knife has 1.6x scaling or something ridiculous so the bonus spirit causes it to absolutely chunk people early/mid where she's the most irritating to deal with
warped ridge
If you want an item for stealth veilwaker is better than putting surge on smokebomb
vivid nimbus
Right the imbued spirit boost
rich grove
idk how the deadheads scale, but I imagine that any bonus damage from QSR/SOP is really good on them as you get more charges because it's a flat amount x the number of guys dinking your target
stable forum
the inhibitor buffs will continue until people purchase inhibitor
(they won't purchase inhibitor still)
autumn field
hmmmm
stable forum
also inhibitor is sort of functionally bad
it's not very good as a defensive item
because you have to actually proc it.
it's good for like, focusing down a singular carry who is very scary. it's bad for actual teamfights
rich grove
i find that because of how matchmaking works it's usually one competent person and five burgers
so it should theoretically be the perfect pug item
vivid nimbus
But thresh, I'm one of the burgers
rich grove
so am I
but you can protect the competent person by shooting the enemy team's competent person
warped ridge
Whether or not I'm the competent person is whether or not I want to w key
It's why drifter is so fun to me in brawls
I get to w key more and not get punished for it when I chase them away from their team
autumn field
hmmmm
i feel like esc exposure would be possibly good on graves
but not quite as good as sevens have it
hit with your skulls twice, maxed out
what would be good for countering viks and sevens?
silence wave?
frail jasper
it's good for like, focusing down a singular carry who is very scary. it's bad ...
☝️ UNLESS 🤓
you're a mcginnis with ricochet who applies it to the entire team fight
random urchin
its kinda goofy but a lot of her kit works okay without spirit I guess
autumn field
its a gun build
random urchin
And your gun doesnt miss sooooo
random urchin
oh yeah that might not work
autumn field
mcgunnis time
finite patrol
I mean its a new hero and new mode. theyll patch it
somber creek
It's mainly that in my last 19 games Graves has been on the enemy team
warped ridge
ye and you can't ban graves
best thing you can do is 4 stack and pray that one of you get graves if you don't want to fight her
final osprey
Calico ult having a 35 sec cool down in Brawl with a small amount investement is insane. Especially combined with trancendent cool down.
Every 25 seconds, less with witchmail, getting ult which refreshes all your abilities is pretty good!
frail jasper
her range is 18 meters, tf
Just because her range is 18m doesn't meant you can't get in there and hold a beam on people
finite patrol
It's mainly that in my last 19 games Graves has been on the enemy team
woogh 😔
sorry did not mean to at
autumn field
Just because her range is 18m doesn't meant you can't get in there and hold a be...
What I mean is you only have 3 meters of clearance to actually hit people with shit for full damage
And turns out, 3 meters is not very much
plain furnace
I play on the deam steak
Albeit docked
Even in dektop mode, it’s quite playable, but a bit rough
I’ll have to play in steamos mode and tweak settings
But it’s competently playable
magic summit
idk how the deadheads scale, but I imagine that any bonus damage from QSR/SOP is...
Doesn't work
The the skulls dont get bonus damage from it
magic summit
ok what.
People get it because it extends the latch range but i think it is bad because you really can't afford the movement penalty sharpshooter has
magic summit
My hot take is that you get gun and defense early and hard move into spirit
warped ridge
on who?
autumn field
add on backstabber, or any spirit slowing if you need
warped ridge
what
autumn field
gun graves is like, awfully good
warped ridge
she has no escape
I mean depends on your teammate but like
she's not particularly strong survivability wise
it's more she is practically S tier at everything else
but she's def a squishy assassin target
autumn field
in terms of 1v1s
warped ridge
although that does depend on the assassins getting her
which like
lol assasins are kinda shit right now
at least from what people keep telling me
magic summit
lol assasins are kinda shit right now
autumn field
i run escalating + leach (i think leach, the one w/ 30% + 30%) and yeah
1v1s are just super hard to lose if the enemy isnt like, 10k ahead
tbf graves is easy partly cuz shes broken asf rn
with like, high damage everything
heals
immobilize
warped ridge
I mean I would more say she's easy cause she has a super accessible kit
I think her being op is like
ehhhh, mainly gonna be like that right now while people are figuring out how to deal with her goofy mechanics
autumn field
oh yeah when i say this i mean it in the sense of
autumn field
i can run basically my mcgunnis build
and she's consistently better just like that
im bad at deadlock under 25k souls, usually
but on graves, that issue kinda doesnt exist
idk, that's my experience, partly cuz easy asf kit
warped ridge
yeah it's why I don't really care to play normals deadlock right now
I'm gonna go 0/13 probablyt
still trying to learn more chars so I can better understand the game
I basically assume I need to hit 1k hours till I feel comfortable enough to play normals
if I don't feel comfortable enough with the game at that point
then I'll never be good at the game lmao
autumn field
i play regularass deadlock rn
i hope graves becomes less popular in the future so i can main her
autumn field
id play doorman if his gun wasnt so annoying to use
warped ridge
people will prob quit playing her as much once they figure out her kit
autumn field
i really hope Apollo works out as a "true melee"
in the sense of abilities, as a whole being oriented around point blank, and the sword being like, a drifter moment
autumn field
i know he's in your face
warped ridge
he def seems like pompous asshole enough for it
autumn field
i saw leaks or some shit
autumn field
he def seems like pompous asshole enough for it
he's baby lash lmao
like, they describe him as baby lash
magic summit
The only leaked thing I've seen on Apollo is being described as a high movement high skill frontline
Which, with the sword and fencer gear
Makes me think he has a reflect or riposte or something
Which makes me so horny to think about I feel like passing out whenever I enter in a vote for him
Which my Apollo votes are at like 160
I just hope his dynamic is like this
warped ridge
yeah that's where my votes would be for silver if I wasn't a depressed useless fuck lmao
autumn field
The only leaked thing I've seen on Apollo is being described as a high movement ...
i think i saw something where it was like, "you melee attack whenever you do ANYTHING"
autumn field
in the sense of his sword being a melee weapon
magic summit
I am unsure what you mean with that
autumn field
im not sure on the validity but iirc
it was like
"apollo's sword shoots sparks (costs ammo), but the sword itself can deal damage as well"
warped ridge
I'd say just wait on the release
magic summit
Depends on the leaker. The most reliable one is Minesweeper.
warped ridge
even if the leak was true they might change it anyways
autumn field
i think that was the og kit from the og fan designers
magic summit
"apollo's sword shoots sparks (costs ammo), but the sword itself can deal damage...
I guess I am unsure what the significant difference would be between "the sword itself can deal damage too" and just using a regular melee attack, or if you mean most of his abilities do melee damage procs like Billy Bashdown or Bebop Uppercut and just worded it weirdly
magic summit
I see.
buoyant plank
"apollo's sword shoots sparks (costs ammo), but the sword itself can deal damage...
Imagine if it's a double hitbox weapon, as in there's obviously the projectile of the weapon, but if someone is in range of the sword they get hit by that too
autumn field
yeah that was what i meant
bleak thicket
agile void
twilit roost
She stole doorman's outfit
merry verge
That being one of his most popular mods.. truly made that man in a lab for certain tumblr folks
vestal hearth
merry verge
how is Vyper's VA so natural it's like they went to Milwaukee and found a real bisexual snake
bleak thicket
many such cases
dusky flume
I tried a bot match with Mina earlier. She's fun, and adorable.
merry verge
She's easily one of my favorite.. assassin/carry whatever she is, so much baked into the kit
lavish grove
I hope pocket and McGinnis get some interactions eventually
They’re both the main characters tied to Fairfax industries so it’s weird neither of them talk to each other
Also chat, was Fairfax like, magic Lockheed Martin before pocket’s dad took over or were they not involved in the arms trade?
I think I have vague memories of lore saying pocket’s dad changed the company to focus on arm’s manufacturing but I don’t remember for sure
agile void
that is true
warm sonnet
All I've read and heard about Fairfax is that they're plain an arms company through and through
warm sonnet
Yeah, most stuff we know about Max Fax directly is from the VN leak
lavish grove
that is true
Sick
lavish grove
Yeah, most stuff we know about Max Fax directly is from the VN leak
I’m really excited for those to properly come out
The Geist one we already got was really cool
agile void
stable forum
idk how the deadheads scale, but I imagine that any bonus damage from QSR/SOP is...
bonus damage from QSR hits once, regardless of number of hits.
Source: Put QSR on Wraith's 3.
stable forum
The the skulls dont get bonus damage from it
they should get bonus damage from it, but it'd only proc one time.
...okay, I'm confused. QSR is pushing first strike damage on Deadheads to 180~, which is about 40 higher than it should be?
late hare
… am I insane or is that not what Mina usually looks like
finite patrol
wearing doormans bunny costume
agile void
… am I insane or is that not what Mina usually looks like
why can you see her armpits?
this is the mod look ingame
merry verge
lmao the tidd
lavish grove
I keep forgetting you can even mod this game tbh
merry verge
Also with the changes Bebop can sometimes be real hard to take down
I keep being tempted to get one of the Mod Yamatos
alien cybersamurai a touch outta place
lavish grove
I wonder if we’ll get workshop support one day
lavish grove
I keep being tempted to get one of the Mod Yamatos
Like the ones based off the redesigns Valve has shown off?
agile void
I love how none of you noticed the other mods in there
merry verge
I didn't zoom!
still swan
Omg soldier tf2 hiiiiii
lavish grove
this is the mod look ingame
Soldier TF2
Is it easy to mod deadlock btw?
I’m genuinely curious now
late hare
I am also now curious
agile void
late hare
on an unrelated note; boy I've gotta learn itemization a bit better, there's a lot of fucking items in this game
started playing maybe a week ago and I can tell I'm gonna get sucked in for at least a hot second
merry verge
it's definitely worth it to read through the items- also discord spellcheck what the hell
merry verge
Spirit/Gun Resilience a classic friend
do make sure to check what your enemies are building though
late hare
I'm also still trying to figure out where I land character-wise, partly because my aim is naturally kinda rough but also because my computer should not be running this game lmao
merry verge
i just built spirit res into a weird Gun Geist
late hare
McGinnis has been solid for me so far, I've been told you can build Geist to make her 1 spam pretty strong but having tried it twice I'm skeptical
merry verge
Bomb Geist is real she's just a very strange character, seems simple on paper and I see people making it work but I also cannot make it work xD
late hare
my issue was that she just takes forever to scale and in that time someone on the enemy team has already doubled our soul count
stable forum
idk if you can kill camps with one bomb currently?
I wonder if Geist can just like
rush Reverb
I know Yamato can
late hare
I really hope Silver is a character I can play when she comes out because that's definitely the main reason I'm here lmao
stable forum
she's going to be fairly high pickrate on release
but priority tokens exist and are cool
vestal hearth
glass flicker
This fucking video never fails to fry me
He doesn’t have any moves where he needs to be doing all that
twilit roost
Had a game last night as bebop where I traumatized holiday enough she rushed counterspell as her first item,
Also
glass flicker
Okay but what if I also need a woman with a wolfcut to beat me to death too
late hare
I'm gonna be so obnoxious about her when she comes out man
warped ridge
no such thing
random urchin
I started voting for venator to delay the inevitable
warped ridge
venator is def my 2nd pick
twilit roost
I got Graves, voting for Celeste now
still swan
glass flicker
My wish to the patron is that I get to look like Celeste
warped ridge
my wish to the patron is to take all utencils and reverse the end so they're frustrating to use
merry verge
I've seen some real sturdy ones in Street Brawl that regen is for real
warm sonnet
Streets of Brawl also enable some real bullshit
warm sonnet
It is a lot, combined a boosted Heal Booster you're hitting near 40% health in a fisting
merry verge
I swear even regular healing booster feels stronger than it says
Idk how the math works out on top of lifesteal or w/e
autumn field
merry verge
Taking down a whole cloud of Graves Skulls with one Yamato light melee kicky feels so spiteful
Nnno. None of that.
autumn field
we had a graves go 50k versus our 150k team
glass flicker
I need to learn how to do proper soul economy because I always lag behind my team so hard, even when I am going out of my way to get souls
merry verge
lmao watching someone die to Graves Root and then Rejuv Revive right into that same root and die again
rich grove
Are They Stupid
merry verge
well they didn't rightly have time to move when A Posing Undead style
died right on top and duration was long enough for it to still be there upon wakeup
rich grove
that is the joke, yes
merry verge
well, i am the stupid
finite patrol
Graves root is unbelievable
rich grove
yet another win for ground fireballs
finite patrol
ground fireball?
rich grove
i like characters that have some kind of attack that travels along the ground in fighting games and graves' vertical root is basically just 1:1 with that
so it's a natural fit for how I think about controlling space
stable forum
it's super weird how if someone knows they can just no sell an entire deadhead cast if you put it vaguely near them
rich grove
abrams Q.jpg
stable forum
i don't think abilities hit them?
rich grove
q is default melee bind
vivid nimbus
I think they should change the Graves root's casting method so you can do it at any angle, trust me
stable forum
ah, right
rich grove
I think they should change the Graves root's casting method so you can do it at ...
hold the button to slowly spin it
:v)
stable forum
mousewheel spin
rich grove
horrific
vivid nimbus
Oh I was thinking drag from point A to point B to define a line
rich grove
I think deadlock has enough trouble with specifying points on the ground for almost every single other relevant ability
do you know how impossible it is to get a sinclair bolt or a wraith card to go where you want it to without being an astrophysicist
I can imagine a world where the forward line follows your cursor as it travels forward, though, valo has a couple of abilities that work like that and it'd probably be the least-fucked up way of something like that working
glass flicker
I want to like Wraith but I just can’t get the hang of her
Cards are a big part of it
rich grove
as soon as you encounter a LOS block you start playing dice with god
which... I guess is in character for a gambler, so plus one ludonarrative consonance!
merry verge
I can't play any of the rapidfire carryfolks, it just doesn't align with my brain
rich grove
I really wish there were custom maps where you could play break the targets because a training mode where you have to hit skillshots on moving targets in common spots (bridge in lane, for example) would be an incredible boon to the community
merry verge
I wouldn't put it past them to get an aim trainer in here, they were real popular in TF2
finite patrol
i like characters that have some kind of attack that travels along the ground in...
ah I see what you mean
rich grove
like you get impulse101 on exactly one ability (wraith, sinclair or geist bomb) and have to snipe people on bridge, in shop, etc
finite patrol
you like Mario
rich grove
mario is basically terry bogard, yeah
finite patrol
🙂↕️ <--understands nothing one thing
finite patrol
like you get impulse101 on exactly one ability (wraith, sinclair or geist bomb) ...
I always get bomb stuck on the fucking roof
merry verge
My Doorman Bell depth perception is godawful
finite patrol
oh yeah I have no idea where it is
merry verge
love you Greater Expansion, love u
rich grove
I just keep missing it, which is kind of impressive given the size of both bell and bullets
merry verge
At least there's only four years between shots
rich grove
and its definitely not like the bell will have travelled four kilometers totally ruining the reason why I threw it in the first place 
vivid nimbus
I messed around with Wraith in sandbox, once I started treating the card like HL2 rocket it behaved fine
I should play her for real she seems fun
rich grove
I messed around with Wraith in sandbox, once I started treating the card like HL...
....you may actually be onto something
and she shares the McGinnis function of "if you leave me in a sidelane I will put your objectives into my mouth and eat them"
vivid nimbus
And if you try to 1v1 her she slams your face into the ground
rich grove
couvid
rich grove
And if you try to 1v1 her she slams your face into the ground
also she has teleport*
*sometimes, collision
stable forum
wow 7 has so much map presence! He's just like, super on map. very farming.
rich grove
many carries get stuck with the potential jungleman label but Seven is probably the most actually applicable victim
he really does just be eating jungle camps
one of the best jonglers alongside infernus and billy
frail jasper
warped ridge
skill issue
vivid nimbus
Lookit his happy little face tho
frail jasper
For context, rem has an interaction with haze where he insists she's his mom.
warped ridge
simply teach him statistics and get him into tabletop rpgs
vivid nimbus
Task failed, he got into card counting instead
warped ridge
good, he can work at a casino as a pit boss
frail jasper
Hanging around Wraith too much
rich grove
counting caaaahds
frail jasper
Hell yeah.
finite patrol
silver tomorrow
random urchin
Or venator
vivid nimbus
I'm not ready for what Silver voters will do if it's not
raven spindle
if it's either, i win
random urchin
Thats why I've been voting venator
edgy fog
Venator is a very strong contendor
raven spindle
he has immaculate style and looks to be the most straightforward Gun Hero
vivid nimbus
I wonder if Silver or Venator or both are gonna have relationship/history with Baxter
random urchin
Im slandering graves because people build her gun and it scares and confuses me
She goes gun "wtf autoaim 1000000 damage valve why"
She goes spirit "wtf these zombies do 10000 damage valve why"
edgy fog
Also I kinda love Mo and Krill. Just as like, a character. An existence. The most boy per boy. very good design for a very early character.
frail jasper
I think the most proper Graves build is like, on-hit effects and rate of fire, hybrid with spirit items (boundless, duration)
then you get like 6-8 gun items to make it awful, your token 2 spirit items, and then like leech and inhibitor
torn gulch
I still need to figure out how to break skulls wffectively, cuz it seems there is a rhythm to thar
edgy fog
Do you think Viscous tastes like thick fish or like kinda sweet?
severe loom
Definitely salty, it came from the sea, didn't it?
late hare
picking up Paradox and Mirage into my roster I think
Paradox is fun to hit MLG shots with and has the benefits of combining pretty decent consistent pressure w/ an alright long range CC, Mirage is just kinda oppressive in lane as I understand
frail jasper
I still need to figure out how to break skulls wffectively, cuz it seems there i...
Light melee pops them. Time it right for whenever you're near most of them.
autumn field
I still need to figure out how to break skulls wffectively, cuz it seems there i...
step 1: ricochet
step 2: graves dead
you can just shoot them
i play mcgunnis, and i just spray them when shes near
the only issue is, 10 billion damage zombie with 10 billion damage gun, fed to ONE THIRD my whole team's value
frail jasper
Mcgunnis with ricochet really does trump Graves good
autumn field
imo graves kinda needs a big nerf
but idk what would work
i would be interested in say, tightening her autoaim, letting it headshot (when aiming directly at the head), reducing the base DPS
torn gulch
I play Billy
autumn field
does torment pulse work on skulls?
also graves has 8% base bullet lifesteal, the fuck man
frail jasper
does torment pulse work on skulls?
No only melee or weapon damage (not ability melee tho like drifter rend)
autumn field
damn
billy is melee/spirit, right?
you could probably get away with splitshot
i recall billy's gun being pretty decent
frail jasper
I wouldn't think that's any good on Billy, his gun is trash unless you're in their face and Billy wants to be weaving quick melee into his fights anyway to reload the thing
It's certainly not a priority for him
autumn field
tbf billy is always in someones face
yeah best choice would probably learn the melee timing
they do have only 20+boons hp per skull though
i feel like the "ideal" balance for deadlock would have a blend of orange/green/purple for everyone
outside of things like inhibitor/escalating
frail jasper
It used to be that everyone had 4 slots allocated ONLY for each color orange/green/purple and the slots you unlocked via objectives were flex slots and could be anything
Some number of people think that system should never have been left
autumn field
honestly that would kinda suck imo
not like im a huge fan of the 6 trillion spirit doorman/seven
but it would suck playing like that
it would be optimal if everyone wanted to play around that, but it wouldnt be fun
vivid nimbus
It used to be that everyone had 4 slots allocated ONLY for each color orange/gre...
Oh so that's why some players call them flex slots still
merry verge
Honestly Doorman appreciates a lil gun investment but mostly earlygame.. bet recharging rush is still nice for bells, they had to nerf Gunman a while back, was kind of a better headshot farmer than Holliday which felt wrong
( it's still pretty good just not The Big Meta )
agile void
Oh so that's why some players call them flex slots still
also because of this there were always stuff people default to
I think literally everyone slapped Healbane into their builds
if not the armor of spirit/gun
and there were heroes that were like
"Ok I built 4 spirit items, I need flex slots already"
recently they changed the system so that each walker gave a flex, while before you had 4 and the 4th one was shared with the guardians, The base guardians, or shrines
buoyant plank
I mean duh, valve can't count to 3
warm sonnet
I reckon this is entirely intentional
Even if the game's convention puts all passives on 3
Left 3 Dead Confirmed
buoyant plank
Who counts 4 like that though :v
merry verge
108k Player Damage, Drifter gets uhh stupid ( we still lost v-v )
i get a little lost when it starts being 'okay now sell your old items' kind of lategame
warped ridge
Any time I've reached that I just admit the game is won off someone making a mistake more than a good counter pick and just play safer
merry verge
also I think extra charge might be a little bait on Graves, it's rare they seem to ever have full slots
Echo shard might be the way
merry verge
i've been loving the new spirit-gun-items tbqh
agile void
the only reason you go extra charge is to upgrade to rapid recharge
twilit roost
Definitely, you have four charges to begin with and echo shards let's you immediately throw another deadhead. Hopefully to follow up on the escalating exposure debuff
merry verge
maybe wait 'til lategame to buy it wholesale etc
seems REAL TOUGH to get death early game
late hare
Mcgunnis with ricochet really does trump Graves good
kinda surprised people play Gun McGinnis, why?
warped ridge
Gun
late hare
I guess her wall is really good and doesn’t really scale off of anything
twilit roost
Turret build is bad and Mcg ricochet debuff build is a great team player
vivid nimbus
Turret build is pretty solid
twilit roost
Eh it was oppressive for a bit then got hit back to being not very good, it also feeds souls to the enemy team
twilit roost
Bets on the final relase order? Guessing it'll be silver today then venator, Celeste, appolo
warped ridge
Today?
finite patrol
Bets on the final relase order? Guessing it'll be silver today then venator, Cel...
this is also my guess. I could see ven then silver
buoyant plank
I'm all in on "anyone but silver" just because it's funny
warped ridge
Bets on the final relase order? Guessing it'll be silver today then venator, Cel...
I admit I want to change that but I think the pun is better
warped ridge
I'm all in on "anyone but silver" just because it's funny
You joke but I actually like seeing who people vote for
buoyant plank
jokes on you I haven't opened deadlock since june
warped ridge
It lets me know the avg player so I can profile them better
Like me seeing Rem, "ah deadlock players are chill for the most part"
Then Graves, "ahh deadlock players are Dota players"
vivid nimbus
I voted Graves until she was in, then Venator, and Silver is my next if Venator gets in
warped ridge
If Venator gets in I'll be very curious
Cause that might mean I can make people seethe by being a good drifter
twilit roost
voted for Graves first because necromancer now voting celeste
merry verge
Graves/Silver and then Celeste/Venator
knew Rem would get in without my help
also didn't realize how much autoaim would letcha focus on schmovement
stamina mastery graves is fun
warped ridge
I'm naturally getting better at movement
Still can't slide up stairs tho easily and that kinda annoys me
merry verge
It feels so nice when things start clicking waa
lavish grove
I really like how deadlock players shipping Mina, Silver and Paige as a sorta love triangle have just reinvented twilight from first principles
That it’s really hot for a vampire and werewolf to fight over you
merry verge
Yuri Twilight, maybe 2026 will be okay
lavish grove
It’s a good step forward
merry verge
Team Halloween.. Mina, Silver, Drifter, Graves, Victor.. Vindicta?
lavish grove
She’s a ghost it works
merry verge
She's also a nightmare to fight as Graves i found out
get down here you
Also little teen HP bar for sniping at
warped ridge
Anvil item
merry verge
Yeahh I should've
I get too locked into build paths
But did end up with 57 second duration Ult with a 65 second CD
lavish grove
Chat why is Mina so strong rn?
I heard from a friend she’s currently one of the strongest characters in the game but she looks the same to me and last I was playing she was kinda mediocre
finite patrol
she was incredibly strong but took a pretty hefty nerf last week
lavish grove
Oh okay
finite patrol
idk if shes still broken after that but shes still quite good
she also had the best stamina regeneration in the game and her passive meant her enemies never have any stamina ever
merry verge
I'd still say -very strong- but not like outclassing everyone
lavish grove
Alright
merry verge
Oh also great lane sustain with her Rake/1
warped ridge
Easy kit too IMO
Only thing I'd say she struggles with is m1 but that's not that important
finite patrol
her worst skill is her ult and its pretty alright
warm sonnet
It's a teamfight disruption tool
finite patrol
it ain't bad by any means
late hare
Turret build is bad and Mcg ricochet debuff build is a great team player
Huh, this has not been my experience
finite patrol
the aoe is pretty spotty and easy to dodge
late hare
IME turret build is pretty good, but maybe I’m just in an ELO (do we have ELO yet? I’m new here) where people don’t know what to do about McG
warped ridge
Brawl supposedly doesn't but I'm not 100% sure
finite patrol
wall and heal are amazing skills. turrets and ult are kinda rubbish
late hare
I’ll have to look up how you build that then, haven’t seen it on Mobalytics
finite patrol
Brawl supposedly doesn't but I'm not 100% sure
it does
late hare
ah, thank you
lavish shale
I've been enjoying gun McGinnis
finite patrol
the pins has a hero tier list (ignore the tiers they dont really matter) but more importantly has a curated list of builds for each hero
Just click on the hero to see the builds
merry verge
Got a triple parry on people going for my Graves Ult.. ogh, this is a videogame
astral lava
the big thing about turret mcginnis is especially early it just feeds souls to the enemy
if it gets killed it gives a soul. If it times out it doesn't, I think
finite patrol
thats right
its less relevant than the turrets needing to be stacked to be threatening and then they get hard countered by like. 1 charge of seven ball
but if they were good without this they'd be very problematic due to being oppressive
its a tricky point
warm sonnet
S'all about not throwing them out just because
agile void
warped ridge
My list would be much different
Like Grey Talon being, "wishes they could play Hanzo like Overwatch 2016"
Bebop, "rawest hooks in WWE or laser beam"
Paradox, "90% of them try to be the coolest player in the game but the game hates them and doesn't let them"
Doorman, "players that try to be toxic"
Pocket, "players that are toxic, even if they don't try to be"
Victor, "tries to 1v5, dies, uses this 2nd opportunity to 1v5 again, still dies"
warped ridge
The actual top Doorman players are too busy playing portal in a third person shooter moba to try to be toxic
agile void
still functionally a hate crime
warped ridge
Just a Doorman beating up a goat in a tea shop
merry verge
Getting Doormanned does seem oddly devastating to folks' mental
50 second cooldown on 'you don't participate in this teamfight :3' can whittle them down
final osprey
its less relevant than the turrets needing to be stacked to be threatening and t...
I've faced a few good Turret McGinnis, and they just build a killing field of overlapping arcs of fire.
warped ridge
It doesn't bother me but that's because I kept running into Pockets who would 100% call me slurs if they thought they could get away with it back in 2023 when I first played
warped ridge
They got so pissed in all chat and would not quit bitching about having to go back to base
merry verge
I see Haze and Sevens like that but it's more just that there's a million of them
agile void
It doesn't bother me but that's because I kept running into Pockets who would 10...
the massive invite was on 2024
june 2024 specifcally
warped ridge
Wait shit you're right, 2024 was 2 years ago
I kept thinking 2 years ago
But my brain kept going, "2 years ago is 2023"
merry verge
I do understand it's a competitive game and we want to win but some folks act like they're getting paid based on winning
Like getting mad at people who aren't good at a game that isn't out yet just wild to me
warped ridge
I get mad at everyone but I don't flame people
I know what I signed up for
Deadlock or Tarkov and I'm making my choice, even if Deadlock tends to frustrate me more often
But I also am like
Huffing the copium that it'll reduce after I get to like 1k hours
merry verge
I'll admit a patch arriving that addressed like all of my Complaint Characters did a lot to make me feel better
warped ridge
Cause most of my frustration is conflicts of mechanics and me going, "this makes no sense wtf lol"
agile void
Cause most of my frustration is conflicts of mechanics and me going, "this makes...
isnt that kind of the same in dota?
frail jasper
I dunno if hours played is actually a useful benchmark but there's a lot of ways to improve overall. Unfortunately one big factor you don't have a lot of control over is climbing out of the lowest matchmaking ranks so you get matched with fewer people who lose the game for you.
Sometimes someone else just has a really bad game and there's not a lot you can do about it as the enemy team snowballs off exploiting them
warped ridge
I mean
I'll be real
As toxic as it is to say, out of all the mobas I've played, you can look at snowball mechanic 1 of 2 ways.
1st way is you never let your teammates snowball and you greed it like crazy, confident in your own skills to carry
2nd is you let your teammates snowball and maybe they carry
lavish shale
I dunno if hours played is actually a useful benchmark but there's a lot of ways...
but Salad, what if I'm the person who is losing games for me
agile void
So do i kill myself in a weird murder suicide?
stable forum
I wouldn't think that's any good on Billy, his gun is trash unless you're in the...
Billy's gun is quite solid- a majority of my damage comes from shooting people on him.
bleak thicket
~~but Salad, what if I'm the person who is losing games for me~~
good news thats the one person you have most direct control over
agile void
Im actually surprised some high profile people are starting to check the game now
flats is now streaming it
bleak thicket
shroud was streaming it too
agile void
also moist dabbles on it every once in a while
stable forum
I buy uhh
idk how to put it
I buy some gun stuff on billy though and the gun deals damage.
late hare
https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1qtxjyf/my_experience_playing_...
amused that Paige and Kelvin are considered unhinged because they're exceptionally basic characters
warped ridge
good news thats the one person you have most direct control over
Yeah Jenny is right.
I was watching some of the top Yamato players and one said, "why would I ever let my teammates get fed if I can get fed and carry for them"
agile void
I buy uhh
idk how to put it
tbh the only weird buy here is the magic carpet
also technically titmag
stable forum
yeah, but I buy carpet on the goat every game :v
agile void
you can get escalating resilience and that is your gun res
bleak thicket
also
i know this is tough to hear
but this is a team game
if you get a consistent team
your consistency will go up
agile void
since you can punch to reload
stable forum
escalating resilience is decent, yeah.
bleak thicket
and you dont need a full 6 stack
stable forum
I think I like not needing to throw out as many lights? it's not a super big or important difference
warped ridge
Yeah at most you just need a duo
stable forum
trueish, yeah.
bleak thicket
a duo already means you have more agency over a lane
warped ridge
Duo means same lane, means guaranteed lane consistency
stable forum
Bashdown also scales with gun! Because melee damage scales with gun damage
bleak thicket
4 people is agency over 2 lanes
stable forum
(this is why you see Billy/Abrams buying Weighted Shots)
agile void
amused that Paige and Kelvin are considered unhinged because they're exceptional...
being sometimes
stable forum
I don't remember if PB counts for melee damage or not
agile void
I sometimes want to murder my teammate if they are being too passive
"DUDE I HAVE LITERALLY EXTRA HEALTH, GET THE FUCK IN YOU WILL OUT TRADE THEM WITH MY 2"
warped ridge
It's why I like brawl
agile void
i never voice it of course
warped ridge
Less likely for 2 people to chase me if I run off the side of the map
1 though? Almost always
agile void
honestly the only moment I actually talk back is when I feel comfortable or the team seems to communicate
warped ridge
It's so funny
agile void
or its someone shitting on another person/attacking me
recently a seven was whining about a dynamo going headhunter, which is a pretty normal buy
late hare
I'd be interested to see what hero pick rates are like compared to what I think is the case
agile void
he had recharging rush so the headhunter damage helped
agile void
I'd be interested to see what hero pick rates are like compared to what I think ...
this is around win rates
this is pick rates
agile void
yup
late hare
I was gonna say, I don't think I've seen Mo in a pvp match yet
Mina, Doorman, and Seven are everywhere
agile void
I remember someone saying
mo is the one s tier hero that cannot carry a game by himslef
warped ridge
Mo and Krill players the real ones™
rich grove
not true at any point kelvin was relevant
maaaaaybe dynamo before stomp got the gigabuffs
late hare
my understanding is that Mo has a really strong laning phase but struggles afterward unless there's a halfway decent team to follow him up
rich grove
not most kelvin metas lol
agile void
tbh it was mostly thanks to the thunderdome low cd
now he is acceptable alongside his gun nerfs
rich grove
it was thanks to everything
twilit roost
real ones remember his icebeam inflicting disarm
rich grove
nonsense character
late hare
oh ew
lavish shale
real ones remember his icebeam inflicting disarm
What
late hare
also jesus all of the characters I want to play are C tier or below except for Bebop
bleak thicket
ill be real
tier is meaningless
rich grove
you are not good enough to care about this
frail jasper
~~but Salad, what if I'm the person who is losing games for me~~
You can fix that through practice
finite patrol
ABITL
Always
Be
Ignoring
Tier
Lists
frail jasper
Billy's gun is quite solid- a majority of my damage comes from shooting people o...
That's why I had the qualifier of "in their face" because it's not trash at close range
bleak thicket
im confident that for 90% of the people here character tier doesnt mean anything
unless a character is in the "hey this character is literally broken and doesnt work right now" tier
warped ridge
also jesus all of the characters I want to play are C tier or below except for B...
Only C tier because you havent played them and showed everyone is wrong
Just like Yoshi players did for super smash brothers
frail jasper
also
i know this is tough to hear
but this is a team game
if you get a consiste...
This is the real secret. Having at least one buddy you can reliably play around and communicate with rather than just trusting the whims of matchmaking to give you someone
merry verge
My friend who loves PVP games with unique character abilities and build-making and movement somehow hates this game
warped ridge
I mean
Again
This game kinda aggravates me too but it's cause skill transference is like 10% at best
So it makes you feel like you should be doing better when you can't cause of the granularity of how stuff works
merry verge
Also; think Tankbuster is still worth it for Shiv whatwith his knife nerf?
agile void
My friend who loves PVP games with unique character abilities and build-making a...
i guess he dislikes the macro
warped ridge
Tankbuster is a goated item
merry verge
it doesn't reliably proc on his knife throwing anymore
That nerf is HEVVY
and yeaaah he doesn't like how busy the game is but like it becomes sort of.. habitual almost
final osprey
Also; think Tankbuster is still worth it for Shiv whatwith his knife nerf?
If you're fighting tanks yeah
merry verge
hittin boxes becomes satisfying lanes n stuff
warped ridge
i guess he dislikes the macro
I mean if I tell an fps player that you can't jump and free slide in this game they will lose their minds
frail jasper
Statlocker is a grain of salt because it's biased toward things that get kills or objective damage, such can leave several heroes underrated
Still neat to reference for some things though
warped ridge
I still don't know how strong kills are in this game tho
lavish shale
You can fix that through practice
I am doubtful I can improve faster than I get frustrated about being bad
Because I can't aim or move for shit, and don't think I'm gonna get much better at that quickly
warped ridge
I'm used to smite and league where 3 kills means item difference which can easily translate into a won lane
warped ridge
I am doubtful I can improve faster than I get frustrated about being bad
Because...
Aiming I'd recommend kovaak's or aimlabs.
Movement I recommend practicing in sandbox area for 30 min a day and forcing yourself to use that movement in-game while also thinking about other stuff.
It's how I've been doing it
frail jasper
Kills are valuable but risky because if you GET killed then there's a big swing in souls to whoever killed you
warped ridge
It's how I quit wasting a stamina bar when I was nearby a wall I could jump off of
warped ridge
I might eventually
I just want to grind out gametime in brawl first until I feel comfortable with items
Plus I still struggle with stairs
I think I just need to like
Quit using stairs and instead do superglides
rich grove
Also; think Tankbuster is still worth it for Shiv whatwith his knife nerf?
tankbuster has not been good on this character since the max hp-current hp nerf
frail jasper
I learned how to edge boost and never manage to use it in games but I did get the habit of instant air dashes and momentum conservation and air strafing and now i can occasionally break ankles
merry verge
tankbuster has not been good on this character since the max hp-current hp nerf
/takes notes
i haven't really been building it like.. much generally since that change
rich grove
I don't even think you bought it on knives anyway because the 3200 could be used for something else
bleak thicket
im 250 hours in and just now consistently mantle sliding
merry verge
but it's everywhere on his build pages but idek how old they are
agile void
doesnt dash trigger tank buster?
merry verge
dash for sure will
warped ridge
I learned how to edge boost and never manage to use it in games but I did get th...
I keep forgetting about air strafing ngl
rich grove
yeah definitely
merry verge
but it proccing on knives was sort of relentless
rich grove
but tank buster as a whole is sus now
merry verge
6.5% current is.. tough
rich grove
every time I've seen it on nukers it's generally like "well it's way worse than it was but ugh I guess"
agile void
main reason I now buy surge of power, more damage and a bonus speed
agile void
recharging rush and ballistic are new
merry verge
i'm counting the reverb buff
agile void
those are spirit gun items
rich grove
reverb on lash 3 oo wee
stable forum
That's why I had the qualifier of "in their face" because it's not trash at clos...
Just buy Magic Carpet every game so you get to be at close range whenever you want! :3
final osprey
I need to buy magic carpet on Mo and Krill more often, I love combo and need to be longer
stable forum
Echo Shard Billy is funny but like
it doesn't provide massive map mobility or obliterate The Baroness Hotel
magic summit
I don't remember if PB counts for melee damage or not
It does
The moveslow need be applied with bullets but the damage buff applies to melee
rich grove
penis blaster....
finite patrol
thats right thresh thats what it stands for
why do so many speedrunners have penis blasters anyway? is it because of woke? is this what fastest Mario does to us?
warped ridge
It's how you speed run the goon when you see ivy
rich grove
:/
finite patrol
\:
somber creek
Graves zombies definitely need a health nerf
twilit roost
I don't know, playing as and against graves they always go down real easily
frail jasper
They're fine to kill without much effort, unless you're busy with a team fight in which case there's probably heroes holding your attention, but that's kind of the point of them being the way they are
warped ridge
Yeah I'm very glad Graves doesn't have an escape
If she had a tele or something and everything else it would be insanely op
frail jasper
Graves is confusing cuz you feel ineffectual for like 20 minutes and then suddenly you kill everyone instantly
I think it's because early in the game your 1 both doesn't do a lot of burst damage and EVERYONE is diligent about killing them ASAP so they don't persist. But later in the game when people shift mindset to their abilities and macro and combos they forget to clear them - but Graves has quietly bought Boundless Spirit so they now do a million damage and burst people instantly. There's no constant ramp up of "oh these are a threat, I have to remember to deal with them" all the time
Me musing on Graves in another server
stable forum
yeah this sounds about right.
frail jasper
Unless they have a ricochet gamer
autumn field
kinda surprised people play Gun McGinnis, why?
big fucking DPS, basically
i play her and she's just...
"delete"
frail jasper
McGinnis' gun is really good, you just hold M1 on people and hose people with bullet damage. With appropriate items you can do this even through their best efforts to stop you.
Be ready to buy Dispel Magic though because anyone smart enough is gonna buy Disarming Hex just for you
ten minutes until new hero
quaint kernel
When is the new character announcement?
quiet sapphire
Who counts 4 like that though :v
how about YOU try being a severed hand, buddy
agile void
late hare
DOG ACQUIRED
still swan
We got Silver?
late hare
yerp
still swan
When is she playable, tonight?
short quiver
Yes
still swan
I know what I'm doing when I get home
autumn field
someone post silver ki plz
stray arch
She's already playable
twilit roost
Thank god, new players were being placed in archon and just having a miserable time
twilit roost
vivid nimbus
Yeah she has a mode-swap kit like Nidalee/Jayce/Elise
warm sonnet
well, the multiple pellets imply it
twilit roost
The dedicated anti Mina skill
vivid nimbus
No jumping??
twilit roost
2.25 seconds too
twilit roost
OK she's awesome ult is built and automatic at max stacks giving her all new skills
late hare
good burst it looks like
warm sonnet
Oh her dog form is just Ursa
vivid nimbus
I think Abrams does too
twilit roost
I see it on the bebop brawler build
autumn field
i want this on billy...
finite patrol
its only worth to buy if you have an ability that gives melee damage imo
I mean its legendary its good on anyone
winged terrace
express shot goes crazy on her
twilit roost
Anyone on rn, how do her alternate skills get upgraded?
autumn field
presumably with the base skill equiv
twilit roost
Best of luck, best chance to get her is probably select infernus, haze, Mina and then silver on high priority
stray arch
I am assuming the answer is no, but I wonder if her melee left click in wolf form can be parried
vivid nimbus
Best of luck, best chance to get her is probably select infernus, haze, Mina and...
Might have better luck if you swap one of those with Graves now, she's a super contested pick XD
98.8% pick rate on statlocker
twilit roost
Is she? I've had pretty good luck getting her consistently but that might be mmr weirdness where you get prioritized if youve played the character a bunch
finite patrol
Best of luck, best chance to get her is probably select infernus, haze, Mina and...
lmao clever
finite patrol
shes slark
still swan
What about slork
raven spindle
the only thing i think is weird abt silver is that she has a pic rail on her gun, which she... really shouldn't if it's supposed to be like the 40s-50s
but that's such an unbelievably miniscule nitpick that it doesn't matter
still swan
Doesnt the new Vamprie Hunter character carry around a submachine gun with a grenade launcher
Regardless Deadlocknis very anachronistic
Like don't forget the magicak computer in the safe house
raven spindle
Doesnt the new Vamprie Hunter character carry around a submachine gun with a gre...
iirc it's a candle, but it might function like a grenade launcher, idk-
finite patrol
What about slork
no idea who that is. do they even exist?
granite heath
I think Slork was an internal name for a WIP hero that literally just used Slark's head attached to a regular humanoid torso for their model.
finite patrol
(im riffing on them being deleted from existence)
granite heath
ah
vivid nimbus
Straight up Slorkin it, and by it, let’s just say… my existence
torn gulch
Doesnt the new Vamprie Hunter character carry around a submachine gun with a gre...
I think Venator has a candle grenade thing, a shotgun, his normal gun and the stake crossbow.
autumn field
I’ll probably play a bunch of Silver
autumn field
Only 1 and a root
warm sonnet
Dog form is a different mobility (better)
autumn field
And idk how much self knockback it has
still swan
Is entering the wolf form the Ultimate? Is it temporary?
warm sonnet
Deal enough damage and you'll be forced into it, but you can activate it early once it triggers
stray arch
Is entering the wolf form the Ultimate? Is it temporary?
It’s temporary, though at maxed points it resets with kills
merry verge
Ohhh it's a Hunting Shotgun
raven spindle
Yeah it's kinda like a model 1887
raven spindle
I'm definitely putting her on my list as well, when I'm actually able to play her
So far I'm deeply enjoying her kit, and Graves is Nuts
stray arch
Saved my priority token for this
merry verge
This is the kind of shotgun I've been waiting for tbqh
also no six hour Pocket reload
raven spindle
Venator seems like he's getting a shotty too, I'm very excited to see him bc I get the feeling I'm very much going to like his kit
autumn field
I might play Shiv
merry verge
Shiv is good I just can't seem to make him work like folks do
He always seems immortal and I jus fall over
rich grove
as a Sinclair one-trick: you can in fact steal Lycan ult and transform on command lmfao
at first I thought it just didn't work but it turns out you just have to hit 4 again
and then it instantly puts you into sicko mode
stray arch
How good is it with his typical item build?
vestal hearth
vivid nimbus
This is the kind of shotgun I've been waiting for tbqh
https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1quad9k/logged_in_and_this_is_my_first_impression/
vivid nimbus
also no Bloodlust UI indicator thingy huh
It looks like it's just the ult CD circle
stray arch
It looks like it's just the ult CD circle
Yeah, hoping they add something for this that’s more readily apparent during gameplay
vestal trench
They cant all be girlfailures
vivid nimbus
Sure they can
vivid nimbus
Yeah that's not unique
vivid nimbus
Also the Holiday ones XD
merry verge
everyone is so mean to wolfe
vestal hearth
also no Bloodlust UI indicator thingy huh
It's her ult meter.
vivid nimbus
everyone is so mean to wolfe
Infernus gets along with her!
merry verge
True
short quiver
Probably because he's a bartender...
vestal hearth
Also Graves.
finite patrol
finite patrol
Bola doesn't.. have a max range? Just a trajectory falloff angle thing
same as the other bola ability!
vivid nimbus
I know Deadlock is full of little anachronisms, but is it weird to think about disarming hex's ☮️ sign being one?
autumn field
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbRnE2TIhdQ
Rem is too innocent for deadlock…
twilit roost
torn gulch
Might be cooking something idk
finite patrol
still swan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbRnE2TIhdQ
Seven really went for the Jugular huh
I love Seven, he's such a great character
raven spindle
https://youtu.be/o6yoSCiEwJ0
i Need an official release of this soundtrack so badly
every track has continued to impress me
finite patrol
probably gonna have to wait until the game releases for that unfortunately
and valve time? 3 years
rich grove
build rage with decay and knives at the edges of fights, then once you have rage full send
brawl as much as possible so you never have to build rage from 0, chain exec, win game
autumn field
gotcha
finite patrol
decay is a really important active item for helping build / sustain rage
also if you land decay and a few knives on someone sometimes they just die
autumn field
icic
agile void
ok I didnt realized this
....shit
that means that sinclair can get a whole ass kit with her
rich grove
as a Sinclair one-trick: you can in fact steal Lycan ult and transform on comman...
I was so confused lol
vivid nimbus
Unfortunately, Sinclair (usually) doesn't have any gun items
merry verge
Spirit Silver does seem like a tough sell, but he'd have so much attack speed in the copy, I guess lmao
rich grove
it's more useful just for +400HP and a mobility tool
lavish grove
just had the longest goddamn game of my life
merry verge
Ricochet Siphon Bullets Graves seems like villain behavior
lavish grove
It was!
frail jasper
ricochet graves is always villain behavior
merry verge
Silver seems to have no movement reduction while shooting which is fun
They did a good job making her humanmode feel Bounty Hunty
autumn field
man what the fuck
warped ridge
Edgy ™
vivid nimbus
Top Daily
finite patrol
is this one of them vocal lloyds you youngins are always buzzin about
autumn field
guess who im playing in brawl
finite patrol
graves
warped ridge
guess who im playing in brawl
Slork
autumn field
what the hell man
finite patrol
wait weighted shots on Graves is hilarious
autumn field
final build
christ the suicide bomber legendary is good
rush in, vamp burst + nuke active, delete 80% of the guardian
then our dynamo secured the win with their 800 damage nuke
ok silver is excellent
fun as fuck
strong, yes
but not heniously
imo shes the definition of fun
late hare
Fighting for my life trying to play her because my PC is old and doesn’t want me to play characters who go in 
stable forum
Spirit Silver does seem like a tough sell, but *he'd have so much attack speed i...
Fun fact
Warden gets the same attack speed spirit scaling that Silver has, but at all times.
very cool
it's only like 50% attack speed at 200 spirit
stable forum
Silver seems to have no movement reduction while shooting which is fun
weh
pretty sure she does?
warped ridge
For me yes
autumn field
like, ive been popping off like crazy recently
mostly street brawl though, i dont like standard as much
warped ridge
(I don't actually know I just do not want her nerfed)
vivid nimbus
She's infact 49% WR, needs a slight buff
If it's 49% this early, it might just be people still learning her
autumn field
She feels super intuitive to me
vivid nimbus
Mina is pretty intuitive too, doesn't mean there's not a learning curve in actually using the kit to the fullest
Especially with managing the timing of her ult
late hare
also being a character who wants to go in pretty frequently
autumn field
mina i cant play well
bruh my god graves is reading wuthering heights shes an AP english student 
i just realized something incredible
between billy, silver, and apollo
i might be able to fulltime main melee
lavish shale
If it's 49% this early, it might just be people still learning her
that Graves is at like 56% WR with 90% pickrate is more concerning tbh
autumn field
christ billy is fun
i think i just got good somehow
christ i think i just got good overnight
like deadass
just went from 0/13 games to now 9/8
merry verge
Fun fact
Warden gets the same attack speed spirit scaling that Silver has, but a...
This is not a fun fact I hope Warden is lost to the Marianas Trench
warped ridge
just went from 0/13 games to now 9/8
at a certain point MMR will adjust and games should start being more normal as well so you shoul def see some improvement in that regard too
frail jasper
not to take the wind out of your sails but billy is one of those characters where, once you start winning, it's really easy to maintain that lead
but also you may have gotten good
sometimes it just clicks
magic summit
There is the same in brawl as standard
You just dont get your skill rating adjusted
warped ridge
so it's the same MMR?
merry verge
vivid nimbus
Graves nerfs! But same ult uptime, alas
stable forum
I think the reason I get Silver in Brawl is because people don't use priority tokens on Brawl generally
merry verge
It is so easy to break Graves skulls now
they hover like directly in your face one light melee and you get 40-100 souls
rich grove
cackling madly
late hare
hmm. part of this is no doubt just having bad aim, but I think my Paradox gameplay could use some touching up
I feel like I don’t do much damage
random urchin
Graves nerfs is good but I do think her kit is flawed in that basically every part of it is a very easy ability to get value out of. It seems like her skill ceiling is basically touching the skill floor.
Most of her abilities just present a problem for the enemy team as like a skill check of "do you know how to kill Graves"
Silver seems fun though I've only played into some players who didn't seem to know what their buttons did.
frail jasper
Earlier I had the unfortunate pleasure of playing REM vs an Infernus who very clearly was having his first games of deadlock. Poor guy didn't know what hit him (pillow full of soup cans)
vestal trench
first game on graves muahahaha ii love being eviill, i like her and ii dont think shes broken but i never feel like i outplayed my opponent i just feel like im graves
well ok i did play one brawl game before this with refresher and lightning scroll 😭 ( stupid)
bleak thicket
Graves nerfs is good but I do think her kit is flawed in that basically every pa...
i agree on her floor being low, throw skulls, place a line, place gravestone and youre usually achieving at least something
but idk about her ceilling being near it
shes really squishy, her gun range is barely more than mlee, and positioning on the line placement/grave placement/defending the grave if its forward starts adding nuance
if the enemy team is on top of clearing skulls, then that ability loses a ton of steam too, so you gotta pivot your targets
idk if her skill ceilling is really high, but theres a lot of room to grow
final osprey
I think baiting people into trying to melee your grave so you can parry them is only going to get more advanced mind games wise. Very interested to see where that will eventually lead
rich grove
"victor please unbind your parry key"
immediately goes for the raw heavy melee and dies
sometimes, a book is the cover
frail jasper
Rebuttal is a secret core item for Graves
merry verge
god every game having one player that ends up 40-60k souls ahead is getting tiring
no matter which team their on just sort of 'oh guess it's over'
autumn field
skill issue
i started playing billy
and im not gonna play silver as much anymore, her base form feels... slow
the shotgun doesnt feel right to me
billy is fun, and his combo is easy to remember
bash, slam, quick melee
and if you want, moonshine immediately after to repeat
late hare
lessons learned; asked for help regarding Paradox elsewhere and was told she’s of the character type where she’s just not that good without teamplay and higher execution
so uh, maybe back to the drawing board
bleak thicket
yeah the swap is very much a team ult
autumn field
paradox ult feels like a dynamo ult to me
frail jasper
It's possible to do some nutty plays with her but she's always been a hero with a trend of "you have to put in SO MUCH EFFORT just to get anything done" and then you look at wraith and haze doing their thing with two brain cells
autumn field
It's possible to do some nutty plays with her but she's always been a hero with ...
imo not quite, it just needs you to be in VC with someone
at least, from how it felt playing with/against her, but im kinda shit
like, time stop is just... "btw imma hit em, so toss your bell at them"
merry verge
~~skill issue~~
first of all fuck off but also literally yes, get these people out of my woodlo lobbies
it's not fun to be hard carried, it's not fun to get stomped by the monster on the other team
i like games where it feels like my input matters i guess
autumn field
first of all fuck off but also literally yes, get these people out of my woodlo ...
no i get it ive had 50k graves in my 150k team games
bleak thicket
carmen is trying to relate???
merry verge
Wugh sorry
autumn field
carmen is trying to relate???
thats it im putting you into the ascendant+ only lobbies against exclusively 5 stacks
bleak thicket
vivid nimbus
Why not 6 stacks?
autumn field
Why not 6 stacks?
so youre the odd one out in the lobby who has no clue what everyone else is doing in their discord comms
-# i forgot, too used to 5 stack lobbies in overwatch
merry verge
that's part of it, i don't vc really (also sorry again Carmen i read your graves thing backward hhh)
also I think I've only seen Silver lose when a teammate fully stopped being able to use their mouse
so just do that to people if she's beating you up
agile void
beautiful
vivid nimbus
Save us McGinnis
torn gulch
Hmm
I see people try putting stuff like Inhibitor and Silencer on Silver, but like, she needs to be melee already
if she is in werewolf form
and her gun doesn't seem like it would be very good to apply it?
Oh nevermind
tooltips are just bugged
lethal mica
warm sonnet
and her gun doesn't seem like it would be very good to apply it?
She applies 48% of Silencer per shot, so she needs three hits
And since slamfire makes her shoot damn quick, you can get it on fairly quick
Squeeze in a melee and you only need two shots
Inhibitor is 64% per shot, and melee counts like a shot, so its even easier