this mf playin beans
#Deadlock
rich grove
frail jasper
- Curse: Renamed Curse to Cursed Relic
- Curse: No longer grants +15% Weapon Damage
- Curse: While holding this item you have a -8% Total Damage Penalty
@autumn field they nerfed Curse just for you
finite patrol
and me
finite patrol
I forgive you :)
rich grove
what were they thinking!
frail jasper
https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/01-30-2026-update.102822/
the full notes for viewing
finite patrol
resto locket getting the "no one buys this" buffs
rich grove
i buy it.......
merry verge
I like it vs certain lanes tbh
Magnum spirit scaling orghe
echo shard removed cast time double orgh
autumn field
> - Curse: Renamed Curse to Cursed Relic
> - Curse: No longer grants +15% Weapon...
Lmao
btw
Does anyone have a recommendation for a mcgunnis build that isn’t so heavy on hitting 24k (at least how it is for me)
finite patrol
i buy it.......
then why did it get these buffs?
rich grove
have you seen my winrate
frail jasper
I was never impressed with its healing, but then the biggest value from it was really the +2 stamina on demand. I occasionally tried it as a support but it just didn't fit the bill. Maybe now that it's buffed it can see more use
autumn field
I don’t like how for me, McGuiness is like, [barely doing anything] [20k] [popping tf off]
frail jasper
What's your laning items / focus like?
autumn field
i basically use this
frail jasper
Just put tesla bullets off a little, or at least get monster round first so you can smother the lane
Monster round + titan mag = easy lane
random urchin
> - Curse: Renamed Curse to Cursed Relic
> - Curse: No longer grants +15% Weapon...
Is "holding" meaning while you're targeting it or just while you have it purchased?
frail jasper
Yes
But really get monster rounds first item and use it to oppress the lane
Kill all the troopers and make the enemy never have two seconds of relief
autumn field
mmm
twilit roost
does spell breaker remove debuffs now that it's built out of that?
rich grove
no, because it builds out of reducer
vestal hearth
By ¯_(ツ)_/¯ (@officeanomaly) on Twitter.com.
twilit roost
no, because it builds out of *reducer*
oops yeah misread
random urchin
Insane nerf
rich grove
god fuckin bless honestly
twilit roost
big bebop changes -Bebop: Exploding Uppercut T3 no longer grants +100% Ammo
- Bebop: Exploding Uppercut T3 now also restores 20% of your Missing HP on enemy hero hit
- Bebop: Sticky Bomb now drops on the ground and continues counting down when dispelled
- Bebop: Sticky Bomb can no longer be selfcast
twilit roost
green witchmail bebop rides again?
random urchin
That uhhhh doesn't really feel like a nerf
winged terrace
no selfcast bomb...
rich grove
dont think it is
winged terrace
that was a pretty cool thing you could do
merry verge
it just goes so damn fast
twilit roost
selfcast was mainly the only way to play bomb with him because it was so easy to counter so not sure how it'll pan out
rich grove
yeah it'll force dbr early instead of just before
this changes the micro of fights if you can layer debuffs correctly
bibbles forces dbr immediately with double bomb, then another player can follow up with a slowhex/silence/etc and they're fucked
winged terrace
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQEw261O_C0
i wanna see rem doing this
twilit roost
plus +9% weapon damage scaling per assinate kill
- Vindicta: Assassinate now grants +5% Weapon Damage per kill rather than Bonus Souls
- Vindicta: Assassinate T3 now provides an additional +4% Weapon Damage per kill (retroactive)
twilit roost
just need to snowball another way now
you're vindicta that's the only thing you have lol
merry verge
this is why i stopped playing her and this is a double reason to
gun builds are the least interesting version of any character
well, not -all-
but generally
'most of my abilities are decoration'
random urchin
Wouldn't spirit vindicta just be doing gun stuff anyway since flight gives spirit damage on her gun?
rich grove
not being able to play spirit vindicta is an insane self report honestly
twilit roost
I don't play vindicta at all
merry verge
extra souls means extra spirit items which means Snipe Number Go Up
now just regular ol' gun damage
rich grove
if you can't hit crow then it becomes worse
twilit roost
isn't crow basically homing?
rich grove
but also why are you incapable of hitting a skillshot on the glass cannon sniper character
not remotely, no
warped ridge
isn't crow basically homing?
wait it is?
rich grove
it has a theoretical bounce to heroes
twilit roost
always seemed easy to hit
rich grove
but I think the target lock has been bugged for so long
warped ridge
to me it's easy af to hit but it never homed in for me
rich grove
like it'll just bounce hero minion instead of prioing heroes like it's supposed to
warped ridge
it's why I always thought Paige was like, super mindnumbing to play given her skillshots were so wide
but tbf Paige doesn't have an escape
so she's cool in my book
merry verge
Paige escape is shielding hard enough to hope your allies have time to arrive
warped ridge
p much yeh
twilit roost
did Holiday need this for brawl?
- Holliday: Crackshot Spirit Scaling increased from 1.1 to 2.5
frail jasper
Remember to buy superior stamina and practice your movement tech when playing paige.
warped ridge
yeah that's how I pretty much cope with not having hard cc
merry verge
I keep spoiling myself with Stamina Mastery and then feel like I can't move without it
'and then my extra extra jump- oop-'
warped ridge
just don't ever buy it
merry verge
but flyyyin
rich grove
- Holliday: Crackshot Spirit Scaling increased from 1.1 to 2.5
Holliday is pretty reliant on charges exactly to function so giving her some reward for raw spirit and/or diversification into gun is reasonable
you're pretty okay but your ceiling is always capped if you never roll rapid recharge
lasso into channeled ult spam is a pretty good response but she's inherently a pretty tempo-y character I find
and brawl is not super friendly to characters who have a low ceiling on their output
warped ridge
it's criminal the character with revolver you can't play john marston from red dead revolver
merry verge
I do understand the Viscous nerfs but feels somehow strange to see the Cube fall
Pockets rejoice
autumn field
yeppppppppp
another game proved that i spike insanely hard on mcgun
i was behind whole game, up to like, 5k i thinkl
hit 24k
immediately started doing actually competently in fights
and then went to beat most of the enemies by 3-4k
merry verge
That's a moba classic
tried Victor for the first time and felt very similarly, could do nothing in any fight and then Suddenly Immortal
stray arch
Yeah Viktor definitely has that moment where you come online and suddenly become The Problem
autumn field
Yeah Viktor definitely has that moment where you come online and suddenly become...
Yeah the Vik was at like, 32k, I was 35~36 iirc, I was decimating him
Hell, if I was better at deadlock, I could’ve taken him and the Rem and won
twilit roost
can't cleanse every debuff when it's applied every 10 bullets situation?
autumn field
That, and just having too much DPS and infinite ammo
Borderline actually infinite cuz I had fleetfoot and burst fire
And I’ve gotten pretty good at not wasting stamina
So I just slide around, play around stairs, and wall em off
frail jasper
stable forum
I do appreciate how Vindicta is no longer bonus souls on kill, this will hopefully help her be less pubstompy
buy also like
can I get some grace on these shots?
stable forum
yeah but it's not 900 souls
merry verge
tru
stable forum
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1281742836878020722/1466979046528122900/6...
this shot does not count
no stack
merry verge
my discord just hates playing videos idk why
merry verge
Just swapped to mobile and oh, brutalized the boy
stable forum
someone else told me about an encoding thing which causes videos to potentially not play
'set ur steam recording like this (or at least just disable h.265) because it doesn't play on desktop without hardware accel on
like the video doesn't move but the audio still plays'
merry verge
technology is so normal
stable forum
Just swapped to mobile and *oh, brutalized the boy*
also yes but I didn't get a stack!
merry verge
:|a
edgy fog
"Okay I'm not very good at deadlock I guess I'll try this brawl mode since it seems more chill and see how I-"
stable forum
"Okay I'm not very good at deadlock I guess I'll try this brawl mode since it se...
victor moment
stable forum
hows vyper now
she's pretty good? she's been pretty good for a while
edgy fog
I chased a shiv around a corner and just stood there watching as he cooked alive in my pure aura
The first round finished when the enemy killed me, then turned away while I reformed and exploded right behind them cause they seemed to forget me
vivid nimbus
I’m surprised by Unstoppable and Quicksilver and Echo Shard buffs, these already seemed like good items
Though I guess Quicksilver might be compensation to spirit scaling on-hit heroes for a lot of items losing some fire rate
buoyant plank
Quicksilver? I sure hope she is
autumn field
i just played a game that went to like, 300k per side
frail jasper
The longest I've recently done was a game that lasted to 57:40, with 441k / 417k team souls
vivid nimbus
I've broken an hour
The other team was unable to end it after breaking our shrines and super minions made the turn around really slow
finite patrol
hooogh deadlock is too intense for hour long games
vivid nimbus
IDK exact times, but like losing shrines at 30, and 10-20 minutes later we're winning and not getting much off it besides the kill money because we gotta clear super minions
(We are also getting "not dying")
plain furnace
I presume not, will there be more PvE content in the future ?
Because, like, I like everything about the game. The MOBA melds really well with the TPS, the style, in chara design, UI, music, everything is so good.
I just have difficulties with PvP games...
wintry sentinel
merry verge
Maybe the third leaver game in a row is trying to tell me to go do errands
dusky flume
Deadlock has a doggogirl? 👀
merry verge
Not Quite Yet
But surely within the next week
also gosh, sure hard to die as Yamato with Paige and Rem on your side
also fun to make power slash a sniper rifle with ballistic enchantment and the like
merry verge
( Point Blank is still probably better but we were ahead and I wanted to Range Battle Vindicta )
agile void
quaint kernel
Quick deadlock Question: The order for farming outside of the lane guys for priority is boxes / sinners sacrifice, then creeps right?
vivid nimbus
Quick deadlock Question: The order for farming outside of the lane guys for prio...
Sinners always prio, and boxes are quick but camps do give more if you have the time
twilit roost
Sinners especially now because Rems will be stealing them even if you're arent losing lane
plain furnace
I retract what I said earlier
I don't mind the pvp
stable forum
also fun to make power slash a sniper rifle with ballistic enchantment and the l...
Might I recommend to you Arcane Surge instead of Ballistic Enchantment? Though Ballistic Enchantment's probably not bad...
Unless you were buying it already? I usually just grab Arcane Surge and Mystic Expansion and slap people with a sword from 35 meters.
plain furnace
Played Ivy, didn't really know that much, but was very fun
I find I quite like Vyper, too.
merry verge
oh yeah, Surge gives range
I was just getting a little silly with it tbqh
We were like 50k souls ahead
stable forum
this is a fine thing to do :3
stable forum
I do tend to buy Arcane Surge on Yamato pretty early. It's funny for slapping people in lane.
Ballistic Enchantemnt on 3 has potential, yeah!
twilit roost
Petition to make Graves ult deal a small amount of damage on summon, this is in no way related to lighting scroll shenanigans
warm sonnet
JUst go T3 on it
vivid nimbus
Sinners especially now because Rems will be stealing them even if you're arent l...
Rem can also steal the boxes, TBF
warm sonnet
Three ghouliams that immediately explode on some poor sod
twilit roost
That's when I buy it now but the upgrade from mystic slow taunts me
warm sonnet
The completionist urge
ivory reef
Quick deadlock Question: The order for farming outside of the lane guys for prio...
absolutely sinners first
sinners > creep camps you can take reasonably quickly (most people will entirely ignore the red t3 camps all game long) > box routes
merry verge
Boxes are more like.. something to adapt your routes between lanes to, yeye
ivory reef
emphasis on routes, you sorta wanna take boxes as you're getting somewhere and doing something valuable
merry verge
though the midboss bonus room is nice
merry verge
Also the new art in there, hogh
random urchin
sinners > creep camps you can take reasonably quickly (most people will entirely...
Nice note on the T3s is that it only takes like 6 of them to refund the cost of buying cultist which makes clearing them really fast.
vivid nimbus
Oh are bans only for standard mode?
But from that I'll take it that the mode-specific hero balancing didn't go far enough
warped ridge
I mean
bleak thicket
you can avoid heroes in streetbrawl?
warped ridge
if only
bleak thicket
its like the dota ban system but with 1 instead of 3
merry verge
Your lineup is all sweeties and then Seven and that's great
warped ridge
dota you do ban voting before the match? I guess it makes sense so people can't counter otps but it's not really what I would prefer I don't think but Idk how the avoid system works
like is there any way to make it so if 1 char is banned it removes the other ban vote?
bleak thicket
Added hero banning to Standard Mode and Street Brawl. You can now select one hero in your roster screen (using middle click) to tell the matchmaker that you prefer to avoid that hero. When the game starts, it will tell you which heroes were banned. We are doing just 2 total bans for now. This does not affect new heroes in the initial release window.
warped ridge
oh it's the red X
for some reason I completely missed that and thought it was the gray overlay
bleak thicket
also dota doesnt have the vore for bans right before a match system for casual/non captains ranked
you just pre mark 3 heroes you want to avoid in your hero list
warped ridge
well shit this sucks, I can't do the vote bans like I want
but it's better than nothing
bleak thicket
what would you prefer?
warped ridge
probably some sort of draft ban but I'll admit this is like
a me thing cause I don't play the 2 problem characters in streetbrawl
twilit roost
A ban phase for the fun casual mode also seems like a bit much
bleak thicket
a ban draft phase would be way too much
warped ridge
yeh it is but this is the one time where I've went "okay I might actually need to ban this specific 2 hero comp because it's waaay too strong for this casual mode"
bleak thicket
honestly im fine with street brawl not even having a draft
raven spindle
Your lineup is all sweeties and then *Seven* and that's great
*and McGinnis lol
bleak thicket
id love for main mode to have a draft phase
warped ridge
main mode should def have a draft phase if it doesn't
bleak thicket
but even then i wouldnt want it to have a draft/ban phase
what do you mean if it doesnt?
what game are you playing reverb???
warped ridge
but I get why they wouldn't cause with the current 3 pick prio system it lets you get somebody
mainly streetbrawl to get comfortable with the extreme granular dotaisms of heroes and items because I don't want to balance that + no solo lane + trying to figure out powerspike timings + map rotations at the same time
vivid nimbus
*and McGinnis lol
What do you mean she's not?
Just wanna get this out of the way. I'm gonna be doing my best to support you but, shit happens and if you end up on the wrong side of a spectral wall... I'm sorry.
raven spindle
She's nice to her team if that's what you mean yeag
warped ridge
like for good and for worse, this game is super hyper specific that you're fucked trying to figure out what every item and hero interaction does coming from any other game except dota it feels like
raven spindle
She's nice to her team if that's what you mean yeag
I'm more talking about her general moral fiber, which is... dubious
earnest verge
like for good and for worse, this game is super hyper specific that you're *fuck...
it's an online pvp game, not a deep narrative singleplayer experience, you could just... look things up? ask people?
bleak thicket
like for good and for worse, this game is super hyper specific that you're *fuck...
yeah thats why you just use guides for the first thousand hours
vivid nimbus
I'm more talking about her general moral fiber, which is... dubious
She does seem to have some hangups about her boss, TBF
warped ridge
it's an online pvp game, not a deep narrative singleplayer experience, you could...
yeh, that's what I've been doing + testing in hideout/sandbox and that's why I'm primarily playing streetbrawl cause game doesn't have a 100% guaranteed wiki listing every interaction and whether or not it works
I'm legit studying harder than some college courses just to play this game at a fundamental level
and that's with like
merry verge
I was going to adjust for McGinnis but like she's still far from The Most Evil Skeleton
bleak thicket
reverb, have you considered, not thinking
you might legit enjoy the game more
warped ridge
that's what I tried yes
but then when I went "oh yeah green items give survivability, purple items give magic, orange items give phys" I kept running into problems
bleak thicket
no thats still thinking
warped ridge
I wasn't reading hero abilities and just kinda assumed they would work when I pressed the button
bleak thicket
no thinking is
guide says buy x
i buy x
ive legit tried builds
didnt understand why they didnt work
and full on switched to a different hero
warped ridge
oh, that, no, street brawl doesn't have guides.
maingame I have to think to make sure a guide says "buy left to right" with no caveats/situationals
final osprey
Street Brawl carries over any annotations from a build. Which means you can have a little note from someone saying if an item is particularly valuable to your character
And even without annotation I think it still keeps the little star in the corner
warped ridge
couldn't say, last time I played I had a broken guide that I couldn't remove until recently I checked and was able to remove it finally
raven spindle
She does seem to have some hangups about her boss, TBF
I'd argue not enough, but I think her hypocrisy makes her a vastly interesting character
She is both Big Protective Mama Bear and someone who is perfectly fine aiding a defense contractor in killing millions of people.
Her contradictions are the fun part tbh
vivid nimbus
Oh yeah, definitely
warped ridge
as a side thing
I did not realize how much I relied on animation timings to do things until I swapped to drifter
agile void
first part of the conversation
what gives the most souls is functionally
Troops/minions < sinners < Creeps < Boxes
around the mid to late game I would say boxes become more prevalent but still, you need money, killa minion wave alone
Sinners and Boxes have the permanent buffs so they are technically more relevant, but that is non quantifiable
vivid nimbus
There is also the worst income source
The little vent in the back of the base by the shop
But sometimes you need 10 bucks for an item
bleak thicket
theres also waiting till your behind enough that the game gives you passive souls
warped ridge
theres also waiting till your behind enough that the game gives you passive soul...
...but why?
vivid nimbus
That one is not the worst because you can multitask it with other income methods 
bleak thicket
were listing bad income sources
agile void
...but why?
Its there mostly if you have the situation where you are like
40/50 souls short for a item
rather than wait for a minion spawn or feel like shit not getting anything from the nearby boxes in base
agile void
guy
warped ridge
yeah I know
warped ridge
I don't think so, I'm like, that bad
agile void
whats you rank?
warped ridge
w/e the rank that is the empty rank
agile void
obscurus
edgy fog
Oh that was something I forgot to mention as well. So I remember, I think it was tech, bringing up the use for the little minions for Rem's helpers. Getting sacrifice machines, boxes and minions nad the like, but one thing I did a couple of games ago was set up a bunch of items as quick buy and then used a helper to buy from enemy shop while we had them massively pushed up in lane.
warped ridge
yeah that one
as a like, serious note though
I thought souls spawn in the base?
like they're even there in brawl I thought
agile void
probably just a afterthought
warped ridge
true
agile void
you wouldnt be in base in street brawl beyond healing
since shop is not even a thing in there
Still
warped ridge
yeh that's my plan eventually
agile void
people might get upset but like
if you want your chance to play
this is legitamally the best chance possible
warped ridge
I'm still learning other chars at the moment tbf
warped ridge
I finally got haze squared away for the most part I think
somber creek
Ranks are also completely cosmetic at this point so theres no actual benefit to grinding rank
warped ridge
yamato I don't think I can play yamato holistically or vindicta holistically, trying to pick up drifter so I can understand
kinda wish drifter's 2 can be used as a free tele
agile void
What heroes you play on dota so people can suggest deadlock options?
warped ridge
I get why it requires a hit tho
Jaacker I hated dota, was the worst experience I had in videogames in my life, Deadlock is at least accessible because I won't be queuing against people with 50k hours
well
one of the worst
vivid nimbus
IDK how transferrable Dota => Deadlock preferences are
warped ridge
but no like I said I'm just learning chars rn mostly
agile void
played overwatch or other hero shooters?
bleak thicket
have you enjoyed other mobas?
warped ridge
IDK how transferrable Dota => Deadlock preferences are
Dota transfers the most to Deadlock, all other games kinda fall flat given the mechanics don't really transfer in similar enough ways to matter
agile void
reverb just tell us examples of characters you like to play in other fps/tps so we can suggest stuff
vivid nimbus
So like Dota and other mobas have a lot of stuff with last hitting and macro mechanics and stuff, but for "character X vs character Y" in Deadlock I think you want to look at other hero shooters
Anyway, I don't think you need to study characters to jump into standard mode, just know roughly what the ones you play do when you press buttons
warped ridge
reverb just tell us examples of characters you like to play in other fps/tps so ...
One sec typing the list
vivid nimbus
Maybe play vs bots once if you want to learn some non-brawl-applicable basics, but that's optional
Most people in obscurus are gonna be on your same level
agile void
or is going to be people that have not logged in since 4 lanes were a thing
warped ridge
Solider 76 in overwatch (I explicitly used him to solo carry most of my overwatch games to high diamond)
Rainbow Six Siege = Dokkaebi, Mute, Recruit (M870 Recruit OP as fuck tbf), Vigil (bosg shotgun memes), Hibana, Rook, Kapkan, I could pocket pick blitz and solo carry if I absolutely had to but that's me abusing US players being shit against shield users
League = I hated playing but liked Riven and Kindred to get them to M7, I enjoyed playing Kayn, Warwick, Yi, Ashe, Garen, and then Bushwarrior Poppy for the memes
Smite = I can play like 80% of the chars in the game with minimal issues but across Smite and Smite 2 I have over 1000 hours like I do in Siege
Hyper Universe = Sonya and Louis, I liked Kurenai but never played her thaaat much
Eternal Return = Aya, Hyunwoo, Yuki, they also had the drinker girl but I forgot her name
Awesomenauts = Gnaw
For Honor (if you consider that a moba) = Nobushi, Warden, Orochi, Shinobi, was a like, Master ranked Aramusha back before people understood what chars were actually OP and kept ranking Orochi as S tier because they were dumb
Marvel Rivals = Wolverine, Punisher, Ninja girl (forgot her name)
Battlerite I never really understood but I played the dual hammer girl and the mage lich lookin dude
Lost Ark I was a Shadowhunter Main but I swapped a lot and could reasonably play the other girl classes like Gunslinger, struggled the most in pvp with spirit fist cause I went genki dama build cause why would I not go spirit bomb
MXM I played Statesman cause of course I did
If I ever get the chance to play 300 heroes I am picking Saber purely for Saberlion
oh there's also Paladins in which I played Maeve, Zhin, Koga, Androxus, Saati, Drogoz
but that game I also played Pip back when he was a dps
agile void
sounds like you like playing assasins
or frontline dps
wraith, haze, mirage, calico
drifter as you mentioned
warped ridge
yeah that's why I play Haze
Drifter seems neat but playing like, 1 brawl match I realized I instantly ran into same problems as usual
agile void
paradox maybe?
agile void
Drifter seems neat but playing like, 1 brawl match I realized I instantly ran in...
Think about these 2 details for a second
warped ridge
Items don't make clear logical sense when I think of heroes but I think it's cause each hero has a gimmick stat and you really wanna pump that gimick stat
agile void
1, you are all packed together
your passive is useless unless you manage to find someone isolated
2, drifter can only be made gun, so you might not have the build you want for him
warped ridge
I baited people to follow me cause infernus liked w keying, was able to kill him the first round in the subway but after that he just deleted me
warped ridge
2, drifter can only be made gun, so you might not have the build you want for hi...
see that makes no sense to me, to me it looked like Drifter should be explicitly melee built
cause when I went Haze gun and wasn't building firerate but just gun she underperformed comparitively
bleak thicket
drifter is about picking one off people and building stacks
and hes a snowball hero
if you dont get stacks he sucks
agile void
Drifter also only has 1 skill that can be scaled with Melee
bleak thicket
hes very much not designed for brawl
agile void
and said skill gives you a fat lifesteal in t3
also compared to all the other heroes with snowball mechanics
Mo and krill can just ult someone and get a stack if they die while in ult
and Vindicta/talon dont have the conditional of the target being alone to build up stacks
AND bebop just cares about how many people he hits with bomb
vivid nimbus
see that makes no sense to me, to me it looked like Drifter should be explicitly...
Drifter wants to mix in some melee but also outside of explicit melee items, melee scales with weapon damage
And his M1 button does good damage on its own
agile void
If you want someone that is built melee
billy is one
viscous is another
technically calico and abrams
bebop has some melee builds
warped ridge
does Rend not trigger melee on hit effects?
agile void
does Rend not trigger melee on hit effects?
it does, but still his main component is enabling the gun damage
warped ridge
yeah that's my issue
vivid nimbus
cause when I went Haze gun and wasn't building firerate but just gun she underpe...
Haze is one of a handful of on-hit heroes who tend to want fire rate and spirit, which TBH is a rough combo for brawl
warped ridge
I need to be able to figure things like that out without having to ask anybody or look up information
bleak thicket
no you dont
warped ridge
cause otherwise I'd have to ask it every time
bleak thicket
ask
vivid nimbus
Also! Remember that in standard you can just choose to build good builds instead of spinning slots for the jackpot
bleak thicket
like
im sorry but youre saying "im studying harder than at college for deadlock"
and then you go "well i dont wanna look up info or ask people"
thats how you fail college
agile void
here is a screenshot taken of the wiki
BULLET lifesteal
rend is enabling your gun to outsustain people
if you use rend, its to proc stuff like bullet resist shreder or any kind of effect that triggers on spirit damage
merry verge
Spirit Snatch my beloved
warped ridge
I mean...to be clear, the way I passed college was doing just that, because I would ask teachers for help and they would either give "well everyone else is getting it I don't know why you don't" or they would specifically be like "no you can't make a study group for programming because people would just cheat"
agile void
what the fuck was your college
vivid nimbus
Were you also not looking things up?
warped ridge
which one would you want, I can name the ones I went to and a lot of them were the same
warped ridge
Were you also not looking things up?
yeh I was, it's how I actually understood trigonometry the 3rd time taking it after having failed it once and passed it a second time because when looking up I discovered the unit circle was actually integral to it
"why did you have to take it a 3rd time"
because board of education is a bunch of scammers and think math changes from college to college for some reason
bleak thicket
anyway
please play the main game mode
pick a guide off https://deadlockmeta.com/
disable all chat
and just play
merry verge
I will say Drifter and melee can work well, loves being up close and you can condition the hell outta people after teleporting
but also I just find melee charge to be fun and silly
And lifestrike has less cooldown on his Rend now
agile void
it does work but still doesnt change that melee is functionally gun + melee
and if anyone gets your ass on a parry while you melee
its deserved
merry verge
That's why you conditionnn with tricks and ruses
agile void
and rebuttal is an item
merry verge
True
But my games are bad enough I only see me buy rebuttal
still wanna try on Graves.. one day I'll get to play her
agile void
bleak thicket
240p ralsei
warped ridge
why does it say 22 if I have 5 kills?
warped ridge
hrm
the number displayed is the permanent weapon damage shown as a non percent number
I thought it would show the number of stacks
bleak thicket
fair assumption, but this way its less maths when you also include assists and such
warped ridge
ye
also his primary fire is like
you can hit multiple people with a single m1
but if you hit a person with 2 or all 3 of the spread it does the same as hitting them with just 1
merry verge
They're basically doing their best to emulate like 'ranged melee'
it's a shotgun but you're slashing 'em etc
got cleave damage
warped ridge
I am very glad I did not think that
because if I did I would have assumed melee items worked on the m1
merry verge
ohh psh i just mean like thematically
rich grove
woag..... moonlight greatsword....
merry verge
he does also seem to be sort of a Blood Wizard
warped ridge
disable the shooter part of my brain when I look at the m1s
the meme in me wants to like
get max movement speed
merry verge
Doorman and his friggin Nerf Dart bullet velocity
warped ridge
and then just crab walk everywhere
rich grove
it would be easier and a faster fire rate (albeit probably smaller projectile size) if doorman just picked up bricks from the pavement and threw them at people
frail jasper
Sorry, but rem has already stolen all the bricks to fill his pillows with
random urchin
get max movement speed
Race car mcginnis is pretty fun
mild flume
<@175103370120527872> got a round 1 enhanced refresher on mcginnis
damn nice
warped ridge
which is better on drifter?
vivid nimbus
Active Reload looks pretty good
Night Shift doing a street brawl event with random heroes, one teams pulls Seven/McGinnis/Dynamo/MnK
bleak thicket
fucking hell
warped ridge
Night Shift doing a street brawl event with random heroes, one teams pulls Seven...
if you replaced Seven with Graves then half the team could go afk and still win
as a side note
for the Graves skulls
are they disjointed hurtboxes or are they actually supposed to make people want to uninstall?
bleak thicket
punch them
warped ridge
ye but the boxes are disjointed right? cause I keep seeing them spread out far enough that if based on the actual models then the punch will whiff so it's smarter for me to just shoot them
and if they're disjointed then yeah punches will work but if they aren't then the punch will whiff andI should just shoot them
bleak thicket
i dont know the hero has been out 2 days
merry verge
I've found they're pretty accurate but half my characters fire shotguns or Big Funny Bullets, but smacking the ones that are right on top of you tends to work
random urchin
and if they're disjointed then yeah punches will work but if they aren't then th...
I'm pretty sure it's the actual model
Just shoot the skull
Or punch it if it's close
random urchin
If you really hate Graves just buy tesla/ricochet
warped ridge
she's pretty much reminding me of For Honor so it's gonna be more like "suffer 100 games until I get used to it"
random urchin
Idk if there's any hit box fuckery in this game it's a source game
warped ridge
so not that bad
warped ridge
Idk if there's any hit box fuckery in this game it's a source game
there's some but like everything else in this game, it's situation dependent
random urchin
Don't step on the line, shoot her skulls, kill the ult rock when she spawns it
And like idk don't let her laser you for a long time if you're a weapon dmg character
warped ridge
I don't even know what her ult rock does, I can't ever see it through the rest of the visual clutter, so I'm def still learning
random urchin
It spawns zombies that explode
warped ridge
also yeh, learning the hard way the line is uhh "don't get near it unless you want to be CC'd" cause like
I'll see it and my brain goes "oh yeah can just jump over it, that's how 3d action games work"
and no, no you can't lmao
vivid nimbus
It's just immob but yeah
warped ridge
I keep doing it
random urchin
The tombstone is always visible on the minimal and through walls so it's fairly ezpz
warped ridge
it's so hard to like
vivid nimbus
Game two, everyone gets a McGinnis??
warped ridge
try to force my brain to turn off video game habits
warped ridge
Game two, everyone gets a McGinnis??
I was about to say wow an actual balanced brawl match with mcginnis in it but then I saw the graves
random urchin
I think you're probably overanalyzing the basic details of this game
warped ridge
I am but I'm doing my best to like, trudge through the sludge
cause again, Idk the stat to pump on every single char for their gimmicks
random urchin
Just go to the build browser and pick something in the top 5
It also does highlight what stat things scale off of in every ability description
warped ridge
ye I try to follow along with that
hence why I tried building melee damage for drifter
cause you'd have to get 3 iso kills minimum before the 3 starts returning better than the 1 and theoretically melee will always be helpful assuming you keep the 1 in your fight rotation
vivid nimbus
Game two, everyone gets a McGinnis??
Full spirit Ivy with enhanced greater expansion 
bleak thicket
spirit ivy is more just throwing kudzu everywhere afaik
warped ridge
makes sense, esp with the greater expansion
random urchin
cause you'd have to get 3 iso kills minimum before the 3 starts returning better...
Yknow what's always helpful?
Gun
vivid nimbus
spirit ivy is more just throwing kudzu everywhere afaik
Yep. And build status at round 4
bleak thicket
lightning scroll and supressor and duration too
and vortex grenade
ye thats a mega nasty spirit ivy
warped ridge
Yknow what's always helpful?
Gun
that's what I assumed for awhile but I tried on haze and it didn't work and I was confused
same for yamato and I was like "but I know gun yamato existed before"
bleak thicket
@warped ridge the hitbox of a skull
its centered, the previous one floated a bit after the game placed the sphere
warped ridge
gotcha, which command did you use for that? I was struggling to find the command
also yeah they are disjointed a bit which is good
bleak thicket
i used a ton, lemme reset the game and figure it out properly lol
warped ridge
I found it for like, 1
but you have to be pointing the crosshair at it and I think you need cheats enabled
cli_ent_hitbox
bleak thicket
yeah you need sv_cheats
and its
cl_ent_hitbox npc_necro_hauntingskull
warped ridge
ah couldn't figure out how to get the list populated
bleak thicket
if you want an npc throwing skulls
spawn a graves
and do citadel_bot_use_ability 1
while looking at her
warped ridge
unfortunately despite all this I am still 99 games away from being where I should be voting wise
autumn field
stable forum
well shit this sucks, I can't do the vote bans like I want
it is still a vote-ban system in my understanding
you just vote before you queue up.
Whenever it builds a match, two characters will be banned based on the collective votes of everyone in the match
warped ridge
yeh I just feel bad cause like
I don't want to necessarily ban mcginnis or graves, I just want to ban them being on the same team cause it feels rough
warped ridge
even though I will say I'm still getting used to graves
cause she def frustrates me from time to time
rich grove
it's so funny playing sinclair because you are directly punishing the enemy team for having a good team comp
i love this jackass character
vivid nimbus
POV: You are being put in the icedome with two Billys and a horde of zombies
rich grove
i still haven't hit the 3000 hour mark required to understand how bolts are aimed, but once I do ooohhh
autumn field
god damn
warped ridge
tech what is going on with your game, that's the 2nd time in one night where it's glitched out right?
vivid nimbus
This is Night Shift's street brawl event, on stream
warped ridge
ah
autumn field
same mine is glitching tf out
vivid nimbus
Unfortunately they had to reset this game b/c lobby host left cheats on
rich grove
LMFAO
bleak thicket
at least it wasnt nude mods like that one SF tournament
vestal hearth
Drifter isn't Melee right?
vestal hearth
As a character.
warped ridge
After playing him a bit
vestal hearth
Does Deadlock have any pure melee characters even?
warped ridge
I'm like 60% sure he's not a melee
vivid nimbus
Pure? Nope
vestal hearth
Ah.
warped ridge
Yeah it's not like smite or paladins
vivid nimbus
Melee focused? Abrams and Billy and Yamato
vestal hearth
Ah, okay.
warped ridge
Yamato is melee focused? 
vestal hearth
Isn't Shiv?
vivid nimbus
Shiv can do melee builds but isn’t pushed that hard into it
vestal hearth
Oh.
vivid nimbus
Which is a lot of characters
vestal hearth
I thought he had like a big switch blade and stuff.
warped ridge
But Yamato is melee? Like I usually just ran her spirit after building gun quit working
rich grove
shiv melee rotates in and out of meta
it was tier 0 80% wr or some bullshit at one point but got pretty dumpstered so now it's just about as good as any melee build on a hero without explicit melee scaling or a spell that counts as melee
vestal hearth
Ah.
rich grove
he has a gapclose, he's pretty tanky
it makes more sense to play punch shiv than someone like haze
but people somehow climb playing melee vindicta
vestal hearth
I thought Drifter was for a moment because of the whole claw thing.
rich grove
drifter has a gap close and a spell that gets treated as doing melee damage
really it's like
every character has a gun and has some way of using spirit
vestal hearth
But I guess it's more hemomancy.
rich grove
every character has a melee attack
vivid nimbus
every character has *a* gun and has some way of using spirit
And also for green, every character has a health bar
rich grove
as much if not more of your strength comes from items as opposed to the character base kit
some characters' stats and abilities lend themselves better to some directions than others, but in general you can flex a bit
haze is one of the gunniest gun characters in the game but echo shard knife haze is rogue playable
which is almost pure spirit/occasional greens with very little gun investment
vivid nimbus
as much if not more of your strength comes from items as opposed to the characte...
And how items interact with kits matters a lot
rich grove
yuh
warped ridge
For Haze stealth spirit punch knife is neat
But fire rate stack spam always seems to work best for me
rich grove
drifter gets more bang for his buck buying melee cause he can teleport onto his targets and his 1 is a short cd ability that counts as a melee
vestal hearth
Spirit is like... magic or ability damage?
vestal hearth
Ah, okay.
rich grove
although like I said, abilities that count as melee do orange instead of purple damage
vivid nimbus
A lot of abilities scale with spirit in ways besides damage
rich grove
yeh
e.g. paige overshield
doesnt do damage
but you get more overshield per spirit you have
vestal hearth
📝
rich grove
seven balls get bigger as well as more damaging with spirit
vivid nimbus
I mean like some will get more range or duration or enhance some effect
warped ridge
So.....I should be building melee on drifter?
vivid nimbus
That was the next thing I was gonna mention, some heros have spirit scaling on some gun stat
vestal hearth
Deadlock getting a console release is a long shot, but I hope it happens. But I was interested innthe Steam Machine anyway.
Or a...
The handheld.
warped ridge
Steamdeck?
vestal hearth
Yes.
vivid nimbus
Oh hey the wiki has a chart of non-ability spirit scaling
rich grove
despite playing a bunch of yamyams it just genuinely never occured to me that she also had the spirit scaling mag
warped ridge
Yeh for the right click it felt
rich grove
1 bullet every 2 spirit is also just a shitload more than 1 bullet every 7 spirit
vivid nimbus
Yeah, Haze needs 50 spirit to double her mag size while Yamato needs 80
vestal hearth
I love Deadlock's vibes.
stable forum
yamato isn't a melee character
rich grove
yamato buys spirit strike
vivid nimbus
She doesn't have scaling, but she can zoop right into your face
rich grove
because it makes her nukes way harder hitting
stable forum
yamato buys spirit strike
not meee
stable forum
people will build melee on her to some extent because she has Flying Strike which is a very strong gapcloser and she's got Shadow Transformation which makes her Unstoppable.
Unstoppable prevents you from getting stunned from parries
vestal hearth
I did have a question, do we have an explanation for Billy's clothing style?
stable forum
I did have a question, do we have an explanation for Billy's clothing style?
Ask the Hidden King
rich grove
I did have a question, do we have an explanation for Billy's clothing style?
"I made it the fuck up" ism
vestal hearth
Ah.
stable forum
Unstoppable prevents you from getting stunned from parries
so people will throw heavy melees out after using Yamato's ult
warped ridge
Ahhhhhh
stable forum
This is also why Billy has Unstoppable on his ult
warped ridge
But doesnt ult reset cooldowns
stable forum
it lets him just throw heavy melee very recklessly
stable forum
But doesnt ult reset cooldowns
It does! It also makes her casts way, way faster.
warped ridge
So you should just use abilities and then melee so they're not being wasted sitting charged?
stable forum
she's got more than enough time to both cast all her abilities and punch people
warped ridge
Or is it more like
rich grove
ult final level gives you a whopping +3s
stable forum
So you should just use abilities and then melee so they're not being wasted sitt...
yeaa
warped ridge
Well the other thing I would think would be
stable forum
that's also how people build yamato melee generally
warped ridge
Melee item that applies on-hit melee effects
stable forum
though i don't think it's super popular
rich grove
it takes like 2.5s to cast 1-2-3 if your 2 victim isn't sixty meters away so you gotta find some other time killing way to do damage
vestal hearth
Shiv looks so cool.
stable forum
yeah, there's spirit resist shred on melee in an item
rich grove
shiv is swag
warped ridge
Gotcha I can see punching first there
rich grove
he's in the nago bucket of disgustingly top tier almost every single patch but he's cool
stable forum
yeaa, you can just light melee to apply it though
flying strike -> light melee is also fairly normal?
vestal hearth
I kinda thought he was a monkey when I first saw him.
rich grove
so he just dodges the nerf hammer
stable forum
he's in the nago bucket of disgustingly top tier almost every single patch but h...
This is just an inherent shiv feature.
stable forum
so he just dodges the nerf hammer
it's not that he dodges the nerf hammer
it's that his kit is fundamentally extremely strong
twilit roost
I kinda thought he was a monkey when I first saw him.
that's because he's the obligatory sun wukong character in a moba
rich grove
it's not that he dodges the nerf hammer
he cleanses it with 3
yeah just for existing the enemy team has 25% less hp
vestal hearth
that's because he's the obligatory sun wukong character in a moba
Oh, is he?
stable forum
you could nerf shiv four times and he'd still be strong
twilit roost
Oh, is he?
mostly joking
warped ridge
Damn if he was I'd actually want to play him more
stable forum
like shiv could eat a 30% damage output nerf and he'd be okay. He wouldn't be strong, but he would still be a functional character.
rich grove
they turned his numbies down but his primary function is just exec bot
stable forum
it's a combination of the knives stacking damage + ult doing execute
rich grove
and also a meatshield
stable forum
mostly the knives damage tbh
rich grove
knives fluctuated pretty heavily, I wouldn't call them inherent value at all
rich grove
dbr has been S tier and affects knives brutally because they tick 1 per second
stable forum
ehh
vivid nimbus
The guy named after a kind of knife is really good at knifing people
stable forum
true enough i guess
rich grove
so losing one second is significantly more annoying than it is on things that tick very frequently
but yeah, in current patch they are his strongest setup
the combination of effectively building rage fast so he goes from not a character to very a character + the numbers just being good is good stuff
vestal hearth
I only know a bit of the lore.
vivid nimbus
And DBR just got nerfed
rich grove
yup
stable forum
so losing one second is significantly more annoying than it is on things that ti...
oh, DBR is now this
it no longer has debuff resist on it
rich grove
daaaang
stable forum
so it no longer has that interaction you're talking about
rich grove
yeah thats knife stonks
rich grove
nah I just meant the passive debuff reduce
vivid nimbus
Debuff Reducer now builds into... Spellbreaker, I think?
vestal hearth
I just saw the most disgusting thing in street brawl. Like... a flying Bebop raining hyper beam onto the team fight beneath him.
vestal hearth
Oh.
vivid nimbus
That's just Bebop things
vestal hearth
Oh.
rich grove
you can do that by buying maj leap for 3200
vivid nimbus
This is a normal thing Bebop does with hyper beam
rich grove
just regular degular
vivid nimbus
You can also climb a rope and jump off a roof
vestal hearth
I see.
rich grove
like it looks showy and it was extremely annoying because all the action is happening in one lane
vivid nimbus
You can also do sick parkours to get up there
vestal hearth
Nevermind then.
rich grove
but it got hit with the brawl specific nerf bat a few times
so now you need to do stuff like "if I touch you with the beam you take a delayed 2s stun"
stable forum
Debuff Reducer now builds into... Spellbreaker, I think?
huh, Spellbreaker and Unstoppable, yeah
warped ridge
I just saw the most disgusting thing in street brawl. Like... a flying Bebop rai...
There's worse stuff out there for sure
Like uhh
That one item that gives items multiple charges
Thats a legendary
I got this as haze once
vivid nimbus
I got it as McGinnis while I already had +2 charges
rich grove
one TURRETILLION dollars
vestal hearth
I wonder how Dota 2 things will get.
warped ridge
I thought it was already Dota 2 like 😭
warped ridge
Well hopefully I'll be able to get good enough I'm not left behind in the dirt when it does
I am going to hopefully hit at least 1k hours before that happens
at this rate though it'll take me at least another....
year give or take assuming I play as much as I have been
random urchin
The items are dota-y but nothing else really feels like it
vivid nimbus
It has denies, it has secret shops, the big neutral boss has a revive
autumn field
Something I learned is that I hate playing as/against Yamato
warped ridge
I had struggles with her but realized I was using a gun build from 2 years ago or w/e
frail jasper
Everyone has their most-hated enemies.
stable forum
nerf this cat
warped ridge
cat is fine
frail jasper
I love the rat. He's just for me.
warped ridge
just otp him
finite patrol
echo shard nap time is unreal
rich grove
juggles
frail jasper
Now that Graves is out there's less contest for rem which means I get to play him more.
finite patrol
gee rem how come you get TWO boundless spirit
finite patrol
close
frail jasper
It isn't infinite, but it does only have like 4 seconds of downtime if you're chaning it properly
finite patrol
realistically you're not going to hit every swap
stable forum
realistically you're not going to hit every swap
finite patrol
sure if youre always fighting at a wave
frail jasper
you get 5.5 seconds of Tag Along per hop, and echo shard has a 30 second cooldown. You can put helpers on troopers and jump to them for more things to jump on.
finite patrol
anyway yes it is too good rn
frail jasper
TBH I think you shouldn't spend the entire fight in tag along (jump out and throw pillows!) but it is very good for contributing to fights by doing nothing
torment pulse is absolutely a core item
finite patrol
the wildest part of rem is helpers tbh
rich grove
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLsNduXRw60&t=10m29s perfect timing
look at this Mo ult spacing holy shit
he did a fucking DACUS from smash to grab that ivy while also dodging walker stomp
nasty work
autumn field
the wildest part of rem is helpers tbh
How so?
I like Rem, his kit is stupid easy to use
frail jasper
They do so many things.
autumn field
Ah yeah
finite patrol
They do so many things.
They do lotsa things!*
autumn field
Free jackpots
finite patrol
biggest effects are sinners and wave push
autumn field
Probably should try transcendant Rem at some point with maximal support
finite patrol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLsNduXRw60&t=10m29s *perfect* timing
wait do mina's thigh-highs have like a sheer portion at the top
frail jasper
- remote buying from any shop (including enemy shops)
- sinners sacrifice without hp loss (can be contested by enemies)
- push waves without needing to be there (THIS GIVES THE WHOLE TEAM SOULS TOO)
- buff allies with +20% spirit resist to protect from enemies
- put on troopers to act as Tag Along targets (giga healing potential for rem)
- break clusters of boxes from a distance (makes your routing a lot cleaner and faster)
frail jasper
wait do mina's thigh-highs have like a sheer portion at the top
yes
autumn field
You can REMOTE BUY???
finite patrol
yeeeeep
frail jasper
send a helper at a store and it will buy items you have queued for you
autumn field
Oh my god
frail jasper
it targets even through walls so you can just like run through jungle and buy from the enemy jungle's store
frail jasper
When you put a helper on a trooper, it gives them +damage/resists (35%/50% at rank 3), full heal, and hp regen. it also does a torment-pulse-like attack on enemy troopers/heroes further pushing the wave.
frail jasper
put it on the heal trooper usually, sometimes if you wanna hard shove the lane then you put 2 or even 3-4 helpers on your outgoing troopers and the wave will go wild
autumn field
When you put a helper on a trooper, it gives them +damage/resists (35%/50% at ra...
God damn
Imagine they solo a walker somehow
vivid nimbus
And lasts 50s base
The main drawback is you don't get that helper back for potentially a whole minute
frail jasper
also you know how troopers have two parts of souls? the half you get that floats and half that drops on the ground? the helpers pick up those floaty ones and it gets distributed to your entire team
so if say green lane is empty and rem puts 4 helpers on it, nobody goes there to help it, it will shove all the way out to the walker and feed you and your entire team souls for it
all while rem is running around doing literally whatever else he wants (tunnel boxes woooo)
vivid nimbus
also you know how troopers have two parts of souls? the half you get that floats...
I think it might do the kill souls and not the floaty souls?
I'm not actually sure which
frail jasper
the terminology is weird but I've seen the ones on the ground get left behind
you can just stand to the side of a lane and watch it happen
vivid nimbus
Gotcha
And also I heard the "when no hero is around, souls are distributed" applies to boxes/sinners as well, but that needs confirmation too
warped ridge
rip me
go to 1v1 someone and our bebop spams the knockup and I'm like "bruh plz"
I'm not gonna ultrasweat kovaaks for that like wtf lol
somber creek
Graves feels really overpowered for Street Brawl
warped ridge
I mean yeah she is
but like
I kind of expected it given her kit and accessibility
and at the end of the days it's just a skill issue if you can't beat her in brawl
now
if it's both her and mcginnis
then skill doesn't help, you just gotta get enough RNG
and by skill I mean
know enough about her kit to accept she has area of denial
because I still try to jump over her silly line and still get cc'd by it
somber creek
Reverb I will probably not want to continue a discussion if you lead it with "skill issue"
warped ridge
understandable
at that point my recommendation is to 4 stack and ban her
or have someone on your team play her to get around how strong she is
somber creek
She's unbannable
warped ridge
that is good to know, I need to change my ban
vivid nimbus
because I *still* try to jump over her silly line and still get cc'd by it
Not sure, but I think a single jump isn't enough, you need to wall jump or double jump or such
frail jasper
Remember to swat her deadhead skulls with light melee
warped ridge
yeah just tried, it requires double jump unfortunately
somber creek
Really she's just overpowered because her ult is just an instant "Creeps win" button
warped ridge
ye
but I kinda accepted balancing is gonna be goobered
same reason why mcginnis is as strong as she is in brawl
what's gonna suck is drifter is def stronger in brawls than I feel like he'll be in main
somber creek
He's categorically weaker
frail jasper
Brawl = less opportunities to jump people and get isolation stacks
vivid nimbus
And also a shorter game means less total kills, isolated or otherwise
frail jasper
- graves is really good
- people are still learning how to deal with her (and so die to her a lot)
autumn field
only issue is im bad against groups and good vics
frail jasper
lane pressure is implicit because you can drop a tombstone every 60 seconds.
buy toxic bullets and some gun ammo or slide/reload tricks and keep giving people The Bad Touch with the hand
deadheads can get overlooked or at least get a few big bursts on someone during a fight
autumn field
bit scuffed actually
warped ridge
for me how Drifter has been in brawls is uhh
4 people means if someone chases I don't enter a free 1v2 because I get abandoned by the 1 person nearby like I have countless times in the main game
plus with all the constant team fighting once it gets down to like 2 people on their team they usually aren't close enough I don't get stacks
and if it was a game where like, their team has better gaming chairs to the point they're just sweeping the match anyways then nothing I can do matters anyways so it was gg next
he just feels like a good solo pick in brawls where I can scamper around the sides and pick at people until I get a kill
esp cause I don't have to worry about being harassed out of lane because I don't lose souls for ignoring creep farm
and like
autumn field
now this
warped ridge
everyone outzoning me
also graves is really strong cause she has a very accessible kit that is super binary on passing the knowledge checks + I'm 99% sure her kit has some goofy glitches attached to it with the line stun
like I just got triple cc'd between her line, bebop grabbing me, placing a bomb on me, and the line glitching me back to the line
autumn field
i fucking hate this seven
vivid nimbus
Boundless spirit as your one spirit item is really funny to me
warped ridge
i fucking hate this seven
if you're playing graves yeah he can just monch the minions with his 3
warped ridge
makes sense
merry verge
She activates debuffs like instantly
random urchin
She drains spirit resist and weapon damage so it kinda works
warped ridge
normal cc
autumn field
mild flume
I think things like escalating resil and tox bullets go hard
finite patrol
just mcginnis level push but you have 3 spells instead of 2
autumn field
omg graves says acau
(useless)
christ
i think i know a new build style i wanna try
first of all, hybrid>>>>>>
finite patrol
toxic bullets recharging rush are probably the gun items id get on graves
then just build cd duration and do laning crimes
vivid nimbus
I see the vision in like capacitor and ricochet and escalating resilience on her
stable forum
i mean on graves
autumn field
average bot match
vivid nimbus
Yeah that looks like a bot match
frail jasper
Full gun Graves will be meme tier like gun Paige and gun rem, but hybrid is very sensible. Her gun has a lot of very good properties but mostly in its stupid rate of fire and ease of applying on hit effects, then her 1 and 4 go ridiculous with spirit support
rich grove
she literally can't activate headshot effects, right
vivid nimbus
She can't even buy headshot booster and its upgrades
rich grove
yeah I was considering what the most silly on-hits on her would be
briefly thought about crippling headshot, but the benefit of that item is that you can proc it from infinity
finite patrol
toxic bullets inhibitor
rich grove
inhib fits with the razor gimmick for sure
i think silencer could jumpscare the shit out of people
having 100% accuracy on a fast-moving squishy like a mina or a lash who relies on abilities to not die instantaneously could be pretty devastating
frail jasper
Restorative shot and mystic shot are automatic hits which is pretty sick. Otherwise things like toxic, inhibitor, silencer, maybe hollow point for the shred
autumn field
toxic, resto, mystic, silencer
frail jasper
Inhibitor got buffed in the patch tho so expect to see that some more
rich grove
honestly did not think that item needed it
autumn field
basically for graves your gun is a debuff nuke
rich grove
but yknow what, if it makes more people aware then that's fine too
frail jasper
honestly did not think that item needed it
I don't think it did either but here we are.
rich grove
I guess they gutted curse curse so now they've gotta buff gun curse
curse 2
"It's Green Because Fuck You"
autumn field
inhibitor is really good on graves
frail jasper
To quote the McGinnis build i use, "inhibitor wins fights"
autumn field
she kinda really needs it against a victor
autumn field
vik kinda is her counter, alongside seven
rich grove
damage reduction makes as much sense as healing reduction on a lifesteal character though I agree
vivid nimbus
My expectations of drain tank Graves is something like Rech Rush, Quicksilver, Ricochet, Capacitor, Escalating Resi, Inhibitor, Leech, Spellbreaker? And 4 flex items I guess
autumn field
graves should be allowed to headshot tho
vivid nimbus
Well, 1 stam item and 3 flex items
autumn field
ive been tweaking around this build
rich grove
I think it's extremely funny that she is more or less just doing ranged auto attacks
autumn field
this build kinda mid imo
rich grove
I mean you have included like 90% of the shop
autumn field
true lmao
vivid nimbus
Yeah this is a catalog build, not a shopping list build
rich grove
one of those old sears ones
vivid nimbus
Everything in here is considered semi-situational
rich grove
where you could buy a house for 300 dollars
vivid nimbus
The second row is "one top one bottom" for 4.8k breakpoints
frail jasper
Lightbringer builds are just like that, I consider it "you don't follow this, it's just so you don't have to dig through the shop tabs, buy what you need"
vivid nimbus
Lightbringer was talking about it in Eskay's twitch chat and Eskay was like "I'm not smart enough for this"
rich grove
yeah I didn't see the name at first I was just glazing over
"this is just pointillism"
"is this secretly bad apple, I don't think I get it"
frail jasper
It's valuable but if you don't have the sense to already know what you're doing (or should be doing) then it doesn't make much sense
autumn field
how good is this
vivid nimbus
I also know Lightbringer's updated this build to explain things better, I've seen newer versions
vivid nimbus
how good is this
Well, Graves charges it nigh-instantly if in attack range
frail jasper
how good is this
Is a good item. Graves would probably like it
vestal hearth
"That's my wife in the right." - The Calico in my brain.
https://youtube.com/shorts/fldssyJRe5o?si=LdFPykpNornmN0j8
autumn field
changed a little
vestal hearth
Probably not the most dysfunctional yuri. But it's up there.
And it's mostly on Vyper's side.
random urchin
I love Vyper's dialogue
vestal hearth
It's so good.
random urchin
It makes up for how hard it is to slide around in circles
autumn field
gun graves could actually go crazy with this
since the velocity does nothing to her
rich grove
not so easy is it now with your "third dimension" and your "kovaaks"
rich grove
gun graves could actually go crazy with this
-20% stamina recovery
rich grove
I mean I guess if you're just gonna say fuck it
autumn field
shes slow as shit
rich grove
if you die you die
rich grove
in theory you just hang around your skellingtons and win
you don't need stamina to stand in one spot and hold m1
so maybe the dbr, spirit resist and wep damage is fine
🤷
have to see in practice
mild flume
I think you can get better damage off tesla bullets or something with less cost
autumn field
my green on graves is fucking hilarious
rich grove
tesla is hardcapped but capacitor seems devastating to hit people with
frail jasper
You can do a lot to mitigate stamina through sliding, and superior stamina is almost a must buy for any 2 stamina heroes
autumn field
I think you can get better damage off tesla bullets or something with less cost
iirc tesla is one of her main picks for gun
mild flume
like I feel like I'd build her hybrid like mirage kinda
every on hit effect basically
autumn field
also capacitor is 1:1 tesla, but with a cool active
mild flume
and a buncha efficient spirit that helps her abilities
rich grove
how does QSR work on her
autumn field
so far my experience has been very 50% gun, 30% spirit, 20% green
rich grove
QSR/MM or Surge on deadheads could go pretty bananas
vivid nimbus
Surge also goes well for ult since you're often dropping it outside combat
rich grove
imo on haze you use surge to run people down
vivid nimbus
I mean yeah that's also good
But the tombstone is something where you can comfortably just spend 2 stam to buff it
autumn field
its really funny how graves is kinda the most like, gun character ever despite her spirit being actually really good