Deadlock

[rich grove]

I can't tell how sarcastic this is but also every character on this team is Thick

[vivid nimbus]

They were both at 1 hp but squeaked out while the rest of the team was still in

[finite patrol]

tag along is such a sweet design

[random urchin]

Rem is kinda a crazy 3000iq support design

I love him

If the little helpers were anyyhibg else he'd be sauceless

But my god does he have the sauce

[vivid nimbus]

Saw one commentary who thinks the strongest part of helpers is the fact you can buy from the enemy shop, through walls, while pushed up in lane (and also not having to retreat as far for your own shop)

Followed by how strong they are at lane pushing and delaying heal trooper heals

[random urchin]

Lmao that's gross

[vivid nimbus]

And then the ability to do sinners and boxes is third, and speed and spirit resit for allied heroes is fourth

[random urchin]

I just started playing a week ago but the depth of this game is crazy

I'm still so bad at movement

[warped ridge]

I expect crazier rem tech to develop

EG someone's going to find a way to use rem helpers to teleport across the map

[vivid nimbus]

Tourney Mina build

[finite patrol]

makes sense

dash completely killed and gone

[vivid nimbus]

Gotta have that 13th item

[finite patrol]

murdered item

2 of those are the same item silly

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah for some reason the final build glitched and didn't register the upgrade properly or something

[vivid nimbus]

TBH here it could just be wanting Stam Mastery for the 4.8k green

[rich grove]

stam mastery on mina is also just disgusting

dimov moves like the last sliver of soap you're trying to get out of the hotel toiletry tray

[finite patrol]

no clip management item at all makes me really jealous lol

I wish I could just not worry about ammo ever

[vivid nimbus]

Wasn't sure myself but that was my guess too, she naturally spends a lot of time in the air

Quicksilver reload is in there

[finite patrol]

im fucking blind

[rich grove]

if she didn't start at 2 stam I wonder if you would take the extra upgrade to sup stam, but even if it's partly just a 'comfort'/qol item dimov makes it look amazing

[finite patrol]

I feel like the only way you could run out of stamina on stamina mastery mina is if you got Kelvin naded

[vivid nimbus]

There's other -stam abilities

[rich grove]

well there's also love bites-

ohhhhhh

[vivid nimbus]

McGinnis wall, Rem sleep, Mirage's whatchamacallit, etc

[finite patrol]

ALCHEMICAL FLASK!!

[vivid nimbus]

Whoops was wrong about Mirage

[finite patrol]

Fire scarab?

[vivid nimbus]

Nah I thought Djinn's Mark did it

[finite patrol]

That would be fucked up

[stable forum]

the helpers should really go away when someone else punches the sinners

[frail jasper]

I think I would agree with this. Helpers during lane are really strong since people won't have the ability to just clear them instantly like they do later

[vivid nimbus]

Mark is just a damage, reveal, and (if upgraded) slow

[frail jasper]

If you have the time, you can just wait and shoot the souls popping out to steal them for yourself, and then snag the jackpot punch (easy to do)

free vault without paying 320 hp

[stable forum]

oh, maybe i guess?? idk

it worked but i went 'how the fuck did i get mvp' and the answer was 'kill participation: yes'

as it turns out, being able to tap someone for 450~ damage with Assassinate is pretty okay

[vivid nimbus]

Also that 19k obj dmg

[stable forum]

as is having a stun

[stable forum]

yeaah, Vindicta is good at shooting objectives.

[merry verge]

Shiv has an innate -20 MVP points for Being Shiv it's in the code

[vivid nimbus]

There's also non-scoreboard stuff that counts but IDK what

[stable forum]

it might be cc or something idk

[vivid nimbus]

If if the hidden rating is normalized to a hero's average performance, that might actually be true

CC is probably included

[stable forum]

anyway the thing

fuck that's not tankbuster that's surge

sorry i don't think tankbuster is a real item so i forget it's icon

wheras surge is a real item

[merry verge]

Recharging Rush has been real fun

[stable forum]

the actual thing

recharging rush is cool but kinda weird? it's good here

I'm not sure it's good other places?

[merry verge]

I've been usin' it on Doorman

just what the enemies need: more bell

[stable forum]

I can see how it'd be decent on him, yeaa

[stable forum]

anyways the idea here is you put a stun on your sniper rifle and it's very funny

[merry verge]

i also use transcendent cooldown so don't judge based on my 'i want to push all my buttons always'

lightning scroll vindicta is so fun

'under half hp eh mina'

[random urchin]

Anyone happen to have a vyper build they like? I like the character but something isnt clicking quite yet for me.

[stable forum]

I cancelled bebops ult three times

oh that might've been it actually >.>

[vivid nimbus]

Someone was commenting on how Visc's puddle punch counts and can recharge itself, so does Billy bashdown

[frail jasper]

you can save transcendent cooldown for a while and just use superior cooldown unless you're relying on active items of some sort. It's +5% cooldown increase which is good to spend on later but if you're just using abilities and passives then you can save 4.8k

[merry verge]

I tend to also have items, but i'll try to remember that

[stable forum]

the issue is it still has to respect per-charge cooldowns

and bashdown has a per-charge cooldown of like 10 seconds

[frail jasper]

I often live the support life so my job becomes "designated Knockdown caster" and "divine barrier GO"

[stable forum]

Billy's blasted bashdown bonus charge doesn't have to respect the per-charge cooldown

idk why

[frail jasper]

so trance cooldown is really good

[stable forum]

DB so cool

'wait, Divine Barrier removes that???'

[frail jasper]

Did you know if you case divine barrier on someone who's being bebop hooked it will instantly cancel the hook mid-pull?

[vivid nimbus]

Also TBF it doesn't matter that much because if Billy is that close he's also shooting and punching anyway

It's just funny trivia that the ability could self-recharge

[merry verge]

I understand why it doesn't, boy has enough CC

[stable forum]

look Billy needs to be able to cause movement lockout on you for ten consecutive seconds it's a required part of his character identity and a core part of his kit

[warped ridge]

that's most of the new chars

besides they'll rebalance as time comes and goes

[frail jasper]

Recent McGinnis games for me:

• get titan magazine first item
• stalemate the lane forever to farm up 6.4k and buy Ricochet second item
• push and win the lane, then go relentlessly farm their jungle camps
• buy slowing bullets, toxic bullets, inhibitor, silencer
• bullet hose into team fights and win them because none of them do any damage or can heal or use abilities or flee

I'm coming around to Inhibitor a LOT after I used it to 1v1 a fed Victor who suddenly did no damage

[vivid nimbus]

Do you mostly just ignore barrage if you're gun McGinnis?

[warm sonnet]

I can see it having a use if a teamfight has a lot of enemies stacked

and/or you're far away and can't risk getting closer

But if you don't need to, don't

[vivid nimbus]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1qppley/so_sad_to_see/

[warped ridge]

nah splitgate is the sorta sicko who likes customer service

[finite patrol]

he is delighted to be of assistance

I hope we can have a nonbinary eldritch entity

[stable forum]

'creature which really doesn't understand gender' is funny

[vivid nimbus]

Also funny, creature that understands gender and thinks it’s too silly to bother with

[warped ridge]

I'm doing terrible, I should have 2 kpm minimum

[merry verge]

Rem feels like Brawl might be a little awkward for em

Weird jungle control and extra places to move kind of moot points

[finite patrol]

wow! that sounds exhausting! I ain't doin all that!

[frail jasper]

yes

I actually just don't use it and probably should be

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah but I think makes up for it with good laning and a sustain that scales with number of players

[merry verge]

tru

Idk if it'd be a lot of clutter but do wish I could see how far rem could jump off me

Also let him share in my abundance of ability range

Fling the child

[rich grove]

if you were gunmaxxing I don't see why you would ever willingly stop gunning for an ability that isn't at all scaled, slows you and has weird finicky targeting

outside of lane I've never been like 'ah damn this mcginnis ult with 12 spirit is doing so much damage to me'

[edgy fog]

Hey I have a question. If you're sleeping as rem on visage or whatever hid name, and he teleports, do you go with him?

[vivid nimbus]

Well I was also wondering if you’d bother with it for quick clearing of fat creep waves or just gun-clear it

[stable forum]

clearly the buff mcginnis ult needs is -.2 stamina on hit

[stable forum]

if you're with someone and they move, you should go with him. Mirage's global TP should work with that too, i think

[frail jasper]

it does scare people, but yeah McGunnis has very little reason to let go of M1 during a fight

especially if you're doing Cancer Bullets Build like I was where you wanna keep the debuffs up (toxic and inhibitor mainly)

[rich grove]

heavy metal poisoning

[raven spindle]

i gotta say, finding out datto is making a deadlock channel is v funny to me

[rich grove]

just put the mina crossplay in the basket, datto

[raven spindle]

i'd love to see it tbh

[finite patrol]

I like how rem is immediately a tier 1 support pick in comp

[ivory reef]

That's the eido build for sure

[ivory reef]

How do you clear helpers?

[vivid nimbus]

Just killing the buffed minion I think

[ivory reef]

Oh I see

[frail jasper]

Yeah I mean that early in lane the buffed trooper(s) can be super hard to kill for some characters. It depends on the lane though, so if you're vs like Mina or haze they can just kill it

[random urchin]

Vyper finally clicked for me, I just started using the slide toggle button

[vivid nimbus]

Does Yamato's ult refresh Sinclair's cooldowns?

[frail jasper]

probably

[rich grove]

yeah

[finite patrol]

sliver tomorrow pals

[rich grove]

sometimes all you can do is laugh

[vivid nimbus]

Hey blue has double-digit kills on the board

[finite patrol]

little bugger snuck out at the last moment. almost got everyone alive

[rich grove]

[vivid nimbus]

In the last week I've won two games where the enemy team had 2 and 6 kills total

In the first one, our team had 3 deaths but only because someone died to patron

So there's like my low bar

[rich grove]

admittedly the screenshot doesn't show all the flaming back and forth

[vivid nimbus]

Ouch

... I also realized 14 of amber's 15 deaths were from one lane

[rich grove]

yeah that was me lol

me and this warden were fighting for our fucking LIVES

while rem and vindicta try to blow each other's grandmas up with bazookas

[vivid nimbus]

And then after getting their ass beat by you went on to die to your teammates a few times

[rich grove]

yeah there wasn't a lot going on back there

of course that was uh

more than compensated

[frail jasper]

I feel like a crazy person, being laned with teammates who I think might actually huff glue for a pastime.

Lash that used his ult at street level on a trooper wave
three times

[merry verge]

Updates deffo draw in new folks and the matchmatching is uhhh.. whimsical

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah sometimes you get new players, I had a lane partner Seven who wasn't completely clueless but was way too aggro. He would attempt to run if he got seriously hurt and make it about half the time (my dynamo 2 helped in lane at least)

[finite patrol]

my day was 1 stomp for them 1 stomp for me and 1 close game we won with good comms and some good play and me not feeding like ive been doing lately

[merry verge]

Anyone else feel impatient for 2pm PST

[finite patrol]

I am unbothered

its gonna be silver most likely and im most interested in Graves and Venator

[vivid nimbus]

I think Graves has a solid shot of being second

[warped ridge]

do you play pvp games solo often? cause like, at a certain point you just learn to accept it

and to be clear you can be salty as you want just, don't do it to teammates lmao

[frail jasper]

Update: cancer bullets mcginnis still works great

[frail jasper]

I play solo most of the time. Just because I've accepted it doesn't mean I can't bitch relentlessly about it to vent the frustration that comes with it.

My teammates are largely safe but I get concerned when the lash is repeatedly just walking around at street level, not using his extreme mobility tools.

[warped ridge]

understandable

only 10% of my games do any of my support teammates use their CC

and if they do it's either when it's convenient for them or right after I ult

[frail jasper]

• use priority token to play rem
• get paired with an infernus who clearly doesn't know what he's doing
• other two lanes also lose
• dynamo abandons
• priority token not refunded :(

[twilit roost]

Graves today, I believe

[short quiver]

Weird way to say Sliver

[agile void]

https://www.rXddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1qpzepl/piles_of_pockets_pronouns/

[ivory reef]

Hey actually. I'd really rather you not

Like as a pilot net thing

[ivory reef]

This sucks and it's a kind of drive by toxicity that's self reinforcing and drags the overton window towards more bitching from other people in public channels

Like we have heuristic rules pushing people against posting stuff just to be mad at it? Against hatedom stuff? This is the same principle

Please don't road rage about lane partners huffing glue on pilot net

And for everyone else here: if you guys see this kinda stuff in other threads please push back on it or poke me or something

-# (Also on a personal note: it's exasperating to have to listen to people not play in teams in a team game and then get mad at people. It's like people playing mtg and then getting publicly mad about someone using a counterspell on them or something, like, on some level we have a responsibility to engage with the intended design of the games we play)

[merry verge]

Every now and again my brain tricks me into trying Shiv

And it is a humbling 20-50 minutes

[warped ridge]

Nah just gotta lab and practice, I believe in you

Unfortunately for me it's less labbing and practicing and more like, hard-core indepth studying at like a college level

I'm trying to get to like a 2 KPM in brawl as haze and I think I'll set goals like that for chars before adding them to main mode roster

Cause like I'm fairly sure the soul activation for creeps is rng but I'm still typically faster than most cause I play too many shooters

Like uhh

There seems to be a time-to-break for Billy's chain for his ult once you're out of LOS

So a really good Billy player should theoretically be able to like, pull someone into a wall from around a corner for Abraham to shoulder check

(Not sure why you would do this because Abrahms has a grapple displace in his ability already, but it exists as a possibility)

[merry verge]

My problem with labbing games like this is I'm inflicting that practice on 4-5 strangers or vs AI which is usually like fighting drunk apes

'walkin into a wall again eh Seven'

[warped ridge]

Ahhh, is there something specific you're trying to get better at?

[merry verge]

I've for sure started seeing this

[warped ridge]

Honestly as crazy as it sounds, running 1v1 scrims against peeps might help the best

That way it can be a controlled environment and reset back to the point where you're wanting to practice more

[merry verge]

That doesnt help with like macro which im also trying to get better at

[warped ridge]

Macro is a weird one for me I feel

[merry verge]

I just like to also juggle trying new folks

It feels like you just have to get it to 'background radiation' level

[warped ridge]

It's def team and situation dependent, and yeah

[merry verge]

Subconcious farm

Meanwhile i'm 'ohh mid is pretty now'

[warped ridge]

Also deadlock makes it really difficult to freeze lanes

Well. More difficult than other mobas

[merry verge]

Doorman doesn't help me learn folks who can't simply walk three steps into another lane either

Trying to move around as Vindicta post-flight.. knees broke

[warped ridge]

Honestly I wonder if any of the deadlock modders have made a park our course yet

And like

Did it so your stamina is disabled

Because that would be a great way to learn movement

Esp if its like the hl2 obstacle maps

I might be able to signpost one with all the universal move tech in like uhh

Sandbox

[merry verge]

Victor with Every Debuffer Item is kind of a hoot

just a plague upon the enemy team

[vestal hearth]

https://bsky.app/profile/qtori.art/post/3mdkzoivk722o

QTori 🍣 (@qtori.art)

We can't keep meeting like this.

#deadlock

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Bluesky · Jan 29, 2026, 2:45 PM

Might post NSFW.

[warped ridge]

might?

[vestal hearth]

I'm unsure if I recognize the name.

[warped ridge]

Gotta step your game up, how will you perform well in deadlock if you don't know the artists that draw the characters which gives them an in-game aurafarmer boost

[finite patrol]

(they reblog nsfw)

they mainly draw suggestive/sexy but not illicit stuff like this

[warped ridge]

I will say it looks like they drew her boobs bigger but it's suggestive art so

[finite patrol]

yeah they boobed her up

[merry verge]

werewolves can just do that when they want to

they don't talk about it much

[warped ridge]

Huh? No I was talking about Mina

They might shadow drop silver with big naturals like the infamous balatro dlc on release

Meanwhile I just want to turn shiv into buff doge

Just this throwing knives at you

[vestal hearth]

Oh, I guess Silver probably has Shiv's old transformation mechanic.

[warped ridge]

When does voting end btw?

I need to deposit my 30 or so votes

[finite patrol]

Not clear

[raven spindle]

the next character in release order will be at 2 PST / 5EST so i'm assuming Sometime before then

[warped ridge]

Is it 4 am pst right now?

I don't want to be wrong

I already failed Silver once

[finite patrol]

its 940

I'd suggest voting within the next 3 hours

[rich grove]

the most insomniac guy you know voice: anyone wanna play a match or two

[agile void]

boy is a sphere

[bleak thicket]

ye sure, lets get some fucked up eu/oceania pings

[rich grove]

HAHAHH

all we need is a usian to complete the trinity

[finite patrol]

sorry im in the customer service mines

[rich grove]

[bleak thicket]

ask your customers if they wanna deadlock

[agile void]

South american ping

everyone here dies

[finite patrol]

placed on leave for asking every customer to "lock in" and telling them to "vote graves or end up in the grave"

[warped ridge]

.....I mean....you joke but I can almost guarantee if I tried hard enough I can swing it

I once had a customer like me so much they bought me food

[bleak thicket]

im doing my part

[warped ridge]

Tbf that guy was chill and it was nice to chat with him about cops being cops

[finite patrol]

lets fuckin go

[warped ridge]

Now that I can't do cause then I would be outted as a furry in IT and you know

[bleak thicket]

outted
in IT

bad news

there is no closet

[warped ridge]

There is if people can't dox you

[bleak thicket]

youre not immune to rainbolt

[warped ridge]

I have 0 digital footprint attached to my government name that would attach me to my online identity

Idk what rainbolt is tho

[bleak thicket]

oh

lucky 10000

[warped ridge]

I'm trying to look it up

Geoguesser?

[finite patrol]

there is definitely a closet but its full of wires

[bleak thicket]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW5FGlDpgQ4

[rich grove]

don't make me play the network technician simulator again

i dont wanna go back

[bleak thicket]

bro learned all the rooms in canada on geoguessr

[warped ridge]

Ahh yeah. I know the tech. The trick to get around it is to rotoscope yourself in a different room from a different building whenever you post a selfie online

[rich grove]

HE'S IN THE HOUSE LIKE CARPET

[warped ridge]

So many people post on social media you can just crop them out and drop yourself in

Now if he can do it off the reflection of my skin then I'm cooked

[bleak thicket]

sorry hell figure out the position of the sun, and realize youve tried to trick him

[warped ridge]

But at that level I propose cannonball for the incoming federal agents

[bleak thicket]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cxla3Rt6qc

[warped ridge]

Tbf can also just look at my match history on deadlock and check my performance for my timezone that way

Then that makes it easy

[bleak thicket]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJNiQdMHlso

[warped ridge]

The funniest part about geoguesser is there was an area of land closed off for awhile on Google maps due to some rich fucks having private property that reached the middle of the street

A dude figured this out

But he also figured out that the air above it wasn't federally regulated airspace up to a certain height

So he just flew a drone above and got the pictures for Google maps that way

[bleak thicket]

LOL

[warped ridge]

Google maps tried to do it by car before but cops always got called for trespassing

[bleak thicket]

Radu "Radu C" Casapu is an American/Romanian player who is currently playing for Thai Rock Readers.
reading on geoguessr tourneys now

romania mentioned!

[warped ridge]

https://youtu.be/gtiiHXsnsrY?

Found it

He had to get registered as an unmanned aircraft pilot

[rich grove]

https://bsky.app/profile/graygamut.bsky.social/post/3mdgkrblods26

Gray Gamut (@graygamut.bsky.social)

#deadlock

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Bluesky · Jan 27, 2026, 8:08 PM

[warped ridge]

You could replace the hand with Seven and it would still work

[severe loom]

Seven is very funny in his interactions with Rem

[finite patrol]

hey kid don't talk to the cops

[severe loom]

Conversation 3:
"Listen to me, the cops will not help you, they have no obligation to help you and will lie to do their jobs"
Conversation 2:

[somber creek]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1279436508662861824/1466493817468489861/image0.jpg?ex=697cf24c&is=697ba0cc&hm=21f9133832eca6e93e77bd51a6182fad8bc2923d1d7859b1dd32c6852b756329&

[bleak thicket]

based

i wonder who mamdani mains

[somber creek]

Rem is now the official champ for socialists

[frail jasper]

The duality of reaction to rem is amusing to me. He's just a silly little guy cleaning up the map before bedtime

[finite patrol]

warden victor and gun viscous

[still swan]

Ivy

[warped ridge]

Ahh the stickers are going off the wall now

I'm at that point

[frail jasper]

Some people have approached 200 votes and the stickers are everywhere

[warped ridge]

I would if I didn't do anything else

unfortunately I sleep, eat, and be depressed too much

[merry verge]

So close...

[buoyant plank]

They got quietly removed again after like a day or two

[warped ridge]

rip

[bleak thicket]

time to sit here an manifest graves for 5 minutes

[warped ridge]

Good luck, I hope everyone wins

Especially Slork

Slork deserves it

[twilit roost]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1422450/view/515233548718834055

GRAVES NATION!!!

[bleak thicket]

GRAAAAAAAAVES

[warped ridge]

I kind of expected it

Undyne sounded like they had a lot of big fans from Dota

[rich grove]

ONE GRAVILLION DOLLARS FOR MEEEEEE

[random urchin]

Silver fans in shambles

[warped ridge]

To be honest iz ok. Just means I get to keep voting for Silver

[autumn field]

how tf is it graves

[raven spindle]

Shrugs

[stable forum]

this is very funny to me

[autumn field]

this is rigged lmao

[raven spindle]

I'm happy with this but my enthusiasm extends to Graves, Silver and Venator so if literally half the cast gets in I win

[warped ridge]

Ehhhhh

I mean again

[autumn field]

im joking

[rich grove]

I VOTED

[warped ridge]

People basically saw her and were like, "Undyne!"

[rich grove]

raggghhhh

[warped ridge]

Plus I saw like

3 posts with people having like 150 votes on Graves when REM won lol

[rich grove]

it's a zombie world... we're all just unlivin in it

[warped ridge]

So def seemed to me there were some peeps from Dota who were slugging it out for Graves

[autumn field]

assuming even 20 minutes per game

[bleak thicket]

its literal tombstone lol

[finite patrol]

UNDYING SWEEP

[warped ridge]

My games are 13 min but I'm bad cause I'm struggling to break 2 KPM with Haze

[rich grove]

That severed lich hand she found in the cemetery has proven itself a valuable ally, allowing her to latch onto her enemies and steal their power for herself.

[bleak thicket]

her aim magnetizes

[rich grove]

hang on does she have static link.

[warped ridge]

Like if I was a good haze I'd be 3 KPM minimum

[stable forum]

i'm sorry her kit is ffucking terrifying wow

she has an immobilize which scales range to spirit

and that passive

[raven spindle]

Her What What.

[stable forum]

she's autoaim

[warped ridge]

That's fine

[stable forum]

at multiple targets??

[bleak thicket]

you can see how im aiming way above abrams

[stable forum]

and she
steals
resists

[raven spindle]

That's crazy-

[stable forum]

er, spirit resist and weapon damage

[warped ridge]

No way it'll be as toxic as Grohk in Paladins

[rich grove]

YYYYYOOOO

that is horrific

[warped ridge]

Does she have hard CC?

[stable forum]

oh good

[rich grove]

I mean I'm going to do some evil things with her at pos 4 but damn

[granite heath]

She's Undying and Razor???

[autumn field]

whats her abilities?

[autumn field]

new main found

[stable forum]

huh, she drains ammo per target hit

[warped ridge]

Just superglide and hold crouch you'll be fine

[stable forum]

huh

she only gets the stats as long as they're alive

[rich grove]

throwing up ammo my bullets!!!!

[ivory reef]

Eyy lmao

[rich grove]

please tell me you have to heavy melee it

that would be such a funny morphism for dota right clicks

[stable forum]

oh it's not the range which scales spirit

it's length

[stable forum]

t w o heavy melees to kill tombstone

[ivory reef]

LOL

[warped ridge]

Does it go around corners?

[autumn field]

can someone post her kit

[rich grove]

I mean five hits in dota is also pretty rough

[ivory reef]

It's crazy rough

[rich grove]

two heavy melee tracks as an approximate analog for doter

[warped ridge]

If you buy multishot does it transform into 5 magnetized beams?

[rich grove]

unless you're Jakiro or Snapfire(?) or something you're pretty bonered

it is so miserable

[somber creek]

WHERE'S SILVER

[stable forum]

okay this character is terrifying

[frail jasper]

Silver got overtaken by the Gravey Train

[merry verge]

What do you mean how is it Graves her necklaces make a spooky skull

[stable forum]

w

[random urchin]

Auto aim an 80% slow, perfect for people who don't even want to try to aim

[rich grove]

YO SHE HAS A GROUND FIREBALL

INSTANT MAIN

[warped ridge]

Like I said people just need to superglide and hold crouch and she'll get free movement

[stable forum]

this is all at 29 spirit power

[rich grove]

ah so her tombstone summons the warlock poopers

[stable forum]

she has two stamina

[rich grove]

very nice very mice

[frail jasper]

Having a mere two stamina is just more reason to enjoy Stamina Mastery

[autumn field]

lord the cc

[warped ridge]

Superglide costs no stamina so theoretically she could do superglide -> crouch slide -> stand -> jump-> air dash -> crouch and still be fine I think.

Unless it nerfs the air dash velocity gain but not sure

[vivid nimbus]

Graves Gang rise up! (from your graves)

[autumn field]

superglide?

[warped ridge]

Apex Rollout tech but actually like

Balanced proper in Deadlock lmao

https://www.dlmovement.wiki/universaltech/mantle_glide learn mantle glide

Then learn superglide
https://www.dlmovement.wiki/universaltech/superglide

Basically it's getting the equivalent of a dash jump for no stamina cost by mantling and teching the mantle

So if you do it, then hold crouch mid air and press m1 you'll slide and you won't get hit by the -80% movement speed nerf until you quit sliding (I think)

Then to reset you just go back to stand, jump, and air dash and hold crouch so you can keep forward movement

[dusky flume]

Hey, got curious about the game enough to pop up here. Hadn't been invited, though.

[merry verge]

She has like no HP, huh

[warped ridge]

I was trying to to see if you could instant corner boost but I think the devs don't want that to be a thing cause I couldn't do it

Err

ICB from below the corner

Afaik you gotta jump above the corner then fall down and corner boost as that way you'll have enough time to have the jump input reset so you can jump again for the corner boost

[rich grove]

this is solvable if you post a steam friend code

[autumn field]

Ok wait esdf might be goated

[warped ridge]

Earth space defense force?

[autumn field]

qwa/rtg skills

mmmmmmmmmmm

[warped ridge]

I don't think you need to rebind keyboard for movement in deadlock

And in apex it wouldnt matter without HE switches anyways

Deadlock afaik doesn't require HE switches for movement tech

[vivid nimbus]

Oh I see, Graves's mysterios mentor is the hand, which talks to her

[warped ridge]

I mean, I guess you could do apex tech without HE but it's widely considered a pain

[buoyant plank]

You really gotta hand it to her

[autumn field]

i mean, having qwa for skills is nice

[finite patrol]

Graves' Lich Hand 🤝 Oathkeeper

[stable forum]

p. sure graves really likes Arcane Surge

and stamina mastery is so expensive

[warped ridge]

Ye rebind as needed for sure

If I had my ergo keyboard setup and I was good with it I would prob use it cause qwerty is obsolete, just never got replaced

[vivid nimbus]

Hehehehehe

• Graves: Is it true you once kicked Mina Ha out of your bar?
• Infernus: She tried to use a fake.
• Graves: Surprised she didn’t just bribe you.
• Infernus: She tried... but ain't no amount of money worth risking Jezebel's getting shut down.
• Graves: God I would have loved to see her face.
• Infernus: Not gonna lie, it was satisfying.

[twilit roost]

Dr Strangelove?

[autumn field]

a fake?

[twilit roost]

Fake id

[autumn field]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhh

[merry verge]

I feel like I haven't seen Abrams not go like 17/0 in two weeks

/highest win and pick rate across many ranks

oh i see

[finite patrol]

Abrams kinda cracked atm

[winged terrace]

I’m a little sad that silver didn’t get in today but w h a t

[dusky flume]

All good, mine is 1627547671

[rich grove]

friend req sent, i will give you an inv

[dusky flume]

Got it, anyone else is free to add me too

[rich grove]

invite sent, enjoy your deadlocking

[winged terrace]

cool to see that her gun is good for people who cant aim tho (me)

[vestal hearth]

He's so cute!

[winged terrace]

probably gonna try to play her in street brawl, i am LOVING rem's playstyle tho

[merry verge]

Well

[vestal hearth]

She's very Ah Puch from what I've seen.

[merry verge]

?

[vestal hearth]

If you played Smite?

[merry verge]

nerp

[vestal hearth]

He also throws around zombies and is annoying as hell.

[merry verge]

it's not even the zombies

well partly

but her 1

her skull bomb'

that needs to be thrown in the toilet

[vestal hearth]

Oh!

[merry verge]

'what if Geists bomb followed you around'

[vestal hearth]

Yeah. It's like... area denial?

Oh it follows you?

[merry verge]

it's doing more damage in less time

than a Mina ult

who had like 13k more souls

[vestal hearth]

I thought it stayed in one place.

[merry verge]

they follow her, or the people it hits, seems like

[winged terrace]

yeah shes heavy area denial

[merry verge]

when you're mobile and denying areas though

it just kind of kills people you pass by

like it does so much damage

it sucks because i do love everything about her just jesus christ

[dusky flume]

Thanks! I assume it takes a while for the invite to pop up?

[rich grove]

it was pretty fast for me

you should get an email I think?

been a while

[merry verge]

I've seen like 3 minutes to a couple hours

Kept worrying I somehow failed sending the longer one

Ahh you can Melee the Skulls, okay

[vestal hearth]

I was expecting her to be more of a summoner.

[merry verge]

But still it's doing like Geist damage which feels uh

idk if she beats Release Victor, but I've never seen one not completely stomp

( in like three games ) but still

[random urchin]

Apparently there's a bug where she has infinite ammo while holding the 1 jar in her hand

So that's probably a contributing factor

[merry verge]

They already patched that apparently

[random urchin]

O

[merry verge]

Probably didn't help for sure

She also smokes clove cigarettes, true evil..

and d'awh she's so nice to Rem

[vivid nimbus]

Oh it's only women with 2 stam. Huh

[finite patrol]

wow

[finite patrol]

we know silvers base stam?

[vivid nimbus]

I suspect datamined or something

[finite patrol]

makes sense

[merry verge]

Silver 2 stam is a surprise imo, seems.. active

but might have built-in mobility whatlike a Mina

[vivid nimbus]

This doesn't say when the incident was, Infernus's been tending bar for a while

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah, though also even if she has 3-4 that doesn't change "only ladies have 2 stam"

There are women with 3-4 but no men with 2

[merry verge]

2 Stam Bebop 2026

[agile void]

yeah I was about to say

bebop was 2 stam for a while

and he was dead in the water for that time

[merry verge]

I'd say Victor but he's already quite slow

[rich grove]

new version of the guilty gear womanweight just dropped

[vivid nimbus]

Also, another beginner guide dropped
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvxVSvzZcxA

[short quiver]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaSGYix9V7c

Haze trying to military recruiters to shame lol

[bleak thicket]

guess the hero

[rich grove]

rem

[bleak thicket]

||paige||

[granite heath]

the items jenny

the items are the dumb funny part

[bleak thicket]

heres the items

[granite heath]

according to the other team they had just installed but I don't know if that was just the enemy being salty

[rich grove]

this is deadass an abrams build + spirit burn

this is literally just gubami abrams from like two versions ago

oh and rapid recharge fair play

[granite heath]

||I caught a haze ult with metal skin + return fire and killed her from the return damage, that felt great.||

[rich grove]

yeag

rite of passage

[bleak thicket]

https://youtu.be/EvxVSvzZcxA

beginner guide from eskay!

[autumn field]

damn no headshots lol

monster rounds sounds like a necessity for graves

[twilit roost]

I'm wondering if pointblank is the play with Graves because her gun's max range is like 18m

[vivid nimbus]

Recharging Rush also seems good on her, but I suspect she's like Mina/Infernus where even weapon builds don't want to go full orange

[autumn field]

Based on how she feels

to me she feels like a balanced kinda build

like, leech feels like something you always take

this is lightbringer, for instance

[twilit roost]

Does it recharge her deadhead because it has the secondary req for charging it with dead souls

[autumn field]

yes

also

graves is pretty cute

[frail jasper]

Graves players in lane: get restorative shot! It auto-hits with your beam so you can't waste it and it's 50 hp every 6 seconds when tagging a hero.

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah it generates charge instead of needing dead things, but also it doesn't work as first item b/c she doesn't have the DPS yet to hit the threshold XD

[vivid nimbus]

I'm actually unsure about it b/c it means needing to get closer

[finite patrol]

be fearless

[frail jasper]

be fearless

you already have to be close enough to be attacking them anyway, resto shot just gives you big healing while you're doing that

[autumn field]

immediate impression: shes easy as fuck compared to a lot of people

so you can focus more on macro and good positioning, etc

removes lot of the micro requirements

and her immobilize is easy to use too

ok yeah paige is easy, but needs some items to get going

also, curse really is fucking op

i only got my hands on disarming curse and that saved my ass like 5 times

[frail jasper]

I think it's appropriately p

[autumn field]

its literally meta everything rn iirc

[frail jasper]

disarming hex =/= curse but it's also good

curse tells anyone to sit the hell down for 5 seconds or so (unless they have debuff remover) but the downside is the high cooldown so if you whiff it at the wrong time or there's too many others then you're outta luck

[frail jasper]

disarming hex is real good yes.

[autumn field]

yeah but seriously though

its literally meta to the point where like, every fucking build ive seen has it

[merry verge]

It's just kind of good to have as an option on the table

[frail jasper]

especially since it builds out of an 800 soul item. rusted barrel is great in laning stage vs several heroes

IDK if curse being "meta" is a bad thing exactly, its role is to be the nuclear option of "they have someone who is snowballing out of control"

if you don't have that problem then you don't have to spend 6.4k souls on curse, you get whatever is cheaper (slowing hex, knockdown, disarming hex, silence wave)

but literally anyone can buy curse so that's why you see it in every build

[autumn field]

I recall reading that it’s currently, at least for whoever the people in lightbringer an all them deadlock ttv sweats are, it’s “curse = wins”

[rich grove]

I wonder if it could benefit from a Dota Clarity-esque restriction where there's a hard cap because en masse the item is noxious

but it also just does so fucking much

it has been basically floating around the meta at all times as an always available, always good "buy me at some point" option which more or less requires at least one user on the team

and that was before they stapled on the capacitor buff removal functionality to it

[autumn field]

Clarity?

[frail jasper]

I presume "each team can only buy X of this item", but I don't remember dota having a restriction like that on clarity thingies

[rich grove]

Clarity has a stock in the item shop

you can't buy more than X at a time and must wait for it to restock if they're out

[frail jasper]

for now, the counter to Curse is Unstoppable (another item)

if being cursed would ruin your plans, simply don't

[rich grove]

there might be a closer analog to "one per team" that I'm not familiar with

[astral lava]

Mina has a line when killing infernus saying this happened on her 16th birthday

Also apparently you can melee graves' deadheads to destroy them . This is not written anywhere in the video game

[frail jasper]

You can melee or shoot them. Weapon damage breaks them and they have around 20-something base hp that I think scales up with boons

[astral lava]

apparently you can shoot them but they had to patch that in lmao

[frail jasper]

Good. I discovered it after the patch but after trying them out they NEED to be destroyable by things otherwise what are you ever supposed to do against them?

[astral lava]

just rush eshift in lane 6head

[rich grove]

ask ally bebop to stick bombs to you

[vivid nimbus]

Apparently rebuttal is real mean on Graves

Because if you have that when you put the tombstone in their face, what're they gonna do about it?

[autumn field]

Wait how does that work

Like, graves counter?

Or

[vivid nimbus]

Removing the gravestone takes 2 heavy melees

So if Graves puts it right in lane and stands by it, you can't remove it b/c you get parried and die

[merry verge]

Also her attacks are basically heavy melee range so people get real swingy

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah that too

[merry verge]

Her eating your gun damage should lower melees too, yeah? :|a

[vivid nimbus]

I think?

[merry verge]

Passive seems a little hard to stack without ammo investment anyhow

Also another boon of my desire to build Spirit Everybody

[mild flume]

I mean sheepstick is the closest item equiv

and its unrestricted

graves does seem to apply the weapon mod things

really fast

toxic bullets etc

[magic summit]

I was only able to get her for one game and just bought Refresher Lightning Scroll

Was very funny, only really got close enough to them if someone came to investigate the tombstones. To which the 20 skulls I've been stacking up one shots them

[frail jasper]

this took so much effort. 57 minute game.

McGunnis rides again.

Victors hate it when you stand in their face holding M1 and they die before you do

[autumn field]

how do you play paradox?

[vivid nimbus]

AFAICT, you shoot them from behind the your wall and use your swap for picks

And swapping through the wall does apply the slow (and the other effects)

[autumn field]

mmmm

thank god i got paige

insta-win???

[rich grove]

anyone down for a match

[random urchin]

Just finished up for tonight unfortunately

[rich grove]

[mild flume]

phase one refresher pretty good

I'm around

@rich grove

[rich grove]

👁️

it's been a while since we did the anzac stack

hoppin in vc

[autumn field]

sure

in a moment tho

wait nvm how tf is it 12 alr

[vivid nimbus]

Looks like another character can get into the tunnel system
https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1qqfdbm/i_had_no_idea_paradox_could_get_stuck_in_the_vents/

[bleak thicket]

LOL

[ivory reef]

This is proof that deadlock has the spirit of Dota

[rich grove]

cliffed

[frail jasper]

Viscous gaming complete

remember to always be polite to your teammates and tell them good job when they do things

[warped ridge]

The proof for me was the fact I think I'm starting to understand Dotaisms where you basically try to craft the 5 pieces of exodia by assembling them from all the different types of summoning in yugioh while also specifically doing like, trying to hyper counter buy every hero on the enemy while simultaneously setting yourself up with boardwipe protection.

the core gameplay stuff makes sense on a fundamental level but quickly goes out the window as you look at all mechanics deeply because each and every mechanic has like 48 caveats to them that universal application is always a "yes, but" situation.

It's really weird but deadlock is starting to feel like the yugioh of mobas to me when I think of all the mobas I've played and all the tcgs I've learned the kinda generalities of

you even have staples like "yes knockdown is gr8 for many heroes because it's a CC" and "yes silence/disarm is gr8 for many heroes because it turns off an integral kit focus"

but instead of like, it being a quickdraw where you can get screwed or take the yugioh MD MAXX C challenge, it's actually more balanced between the micro mechanics.

Like sure someone might be really good at item knowledge but if the other dude is a cracked shooter gamer on the maximum safe dose of caffeine who micromanages osu top 1000s while queuing in masters rainbow six siege then the item knowledge is gonna get dogwalked

it's simultaneously super interesting and frustrating af cause it makes me feel like any time I become "good" with a character I either can no longer play characters I'm not good at or I can only play them once every 10 matches because MMR is going to break under the disparity between the characters and the moment I swap I'm going to be on the longest pitfall downwards in MMR

[edgy fog]

we call this move the "amontillado"
and for the love of god it is guaranteed

[frail jasper]

Well one bit of good news is that you have evaluation per hero so if you try someone new or that you haven't had success with then it tends to matchmake you with lower ranks, while if you excel at one hero then it tends to matchmake you upwards

[warped ridge]

ye

it does seem like they're trying to account for that

like I think just playing brawl is changing the hero skill rating

but I'm not sure

I know they said brawl doesn't track mmr but it might track hero mmr or w/e

[bleak thicket]

for anyone wanting to play with the legendary items

https://www.reddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1qkf3nb/all_legendary_items_and_how_to_get_them/

[warped ridge]

I'ma look at these

I think I got 3 specifically

okay yup I got omnicharge pendant on the sleep dagger that 1 time

that's how I got the 5 charges

[merry verge]

so Graves auto doesn't go through Veil, seems like a good way to get an edge in fights :|a

[warped ridge]

so for the first time playing brawl had someone tell me to die in text chat

I was going punch haze

[merry verge]

oh hey small world, didn't get told to die but i think i made the enemy drifter quit as Doorman

[warped ridge]

nooooooo

they gave Graves an immobilize 😭

I'd be fine with a slow but that feels excessive

you know this is fine

I just expect Silver to have a 5 second hard cc stun with damage

[warm sonnet]

MO AND KRILL 2

SHE RIDES ON KRILL'S SHOULDERS

[final osprey]

Mo and Krill and Graves

[warm sonnet]

and Knuckles

Featuring Dante from DMC 2

[warped ridge]

damn Graves is like

Au Puch on easy mode

[warm sonnet]

She got friends on the other side

She's not too good at dealing with people on this, so it makes sense

[merry verge]

I really hope Warden gets a full rework with his model update or whatever

'cause golly

'we piled everything unpleasant onto this one incredibly boring man'

[warped ridge]

plz no

I don't want him to get mega buffed

[merry verge]

I want him to be Mega Completely A Different Guy

[warped ridge]

deadlock devs won't do that

they'll buff him

[vivid nimbus]

I think his ult feels weird but the rest is fine

[merry verge]

and then nerf drifter again

[warped ridge]

yeah they'll nerf drifter

or haze

or vindicta

[merry verge]

'we need to see winrates in the 30%'

The advent of 'just shoot/punch the skulls' did change Graves but still feels like a looooot of free damage in a teamfight

And she can just save up a boatload of 'em even if you do break

[warped ridge]

she's a better au puch in almost every way

[merry verge]

absolutely stellar animations though

climbing with the lich hand

[warped ridge]

I think she has a neat design, just overtuned because I think chars feel wierdly scope creepy when every new char has some variant of hard CC

[merry verge]

Hers is pretty avoidable at least

Idfk how to deal with Rem Ult

Counterspell? Maybe? It like builds up

[warped ridge]

largely you don't, and my issue isn't the avoidance of it cause you can avoid nearly all CC in the game, it's more the fact of it existing because it just means lower skill in chaining stuff

[merry verge]

Yeahh lil bit

another thing to get Beboped into

[vivid nimbus]

You can sometimes get out of the area of Rem's ult

[warped ridge]

like I can get super "well actually" about it and be like "just don't stand in the cc 4head" but all cc means you just need some other cc to almost guarantee the other cc

[merry verge]

don't stand in it as you get Doorman carted through

big ol' CD on it though

[vivid nimbus]

I say sometimes because even when Rem doesn't have expansion it can just be unavoidable without serious movement tools

[merry verge]

Going through walls just

Feels crazy

[vivid nimbus]

The sleep demon peers directly into your dreams

[merry verge]

and directly into our double sinners, the fiend

[vivid nimbus]

Well, Mina and Drifter both have soft CC instead of hard

[merry verge]

Ult Drifter does surprising work

[vivid nimbus]

It's a really strong soft CC but it's still soft

[merry verge]

Do think he's a little on the struggle bus if not fed 5 solo kills in 15 minutes

[warped ridge]

anybody with 5 solo kills is gonna be strong tho

[merry verge]

There's also that

[warped ridge]

actually I take that back

Idk how they change kill rewards

[merry verge]

That's some of the stuff I have a hard time wanting to memorize 'cause they sometimes like to change it

also haven't looked but hey, free excuse

[vivid nimbus]

But I also want to point out, of the original batch:
Has hard CC: Abrams, Bebop, Dynamo, Grey Talon, Haze, Infernus, Ivy, Lash, McGinnis, Mo & Krill, Paradox, Seven, Warden, Wraith
Doesn't: Kelvin, Lady Geist, Pocket, Vindicta, Yamato

[merry verge]

now realizing I've mostly tried the folks without hard CC

maybe this is why Doorman feels breezy

[vivid nimbus]

And of the intermediate release date heroes:
Has: Viscous, Holliday, Sinclair, Vyper
Doesn't have: Shiv, Calico, Mirage

[merry verge]

Vyper not knowing what her ult is called absolutely slays me

get pentrified

[warm sonnet]

Petcofried 😌

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1qqdhaw/shiv_is_no_longer_asking/

Btw

graves skulls are affected by heroic aura

[warped ridge]

ye I'm aware

just feels like for honor sometimes

[warm sonnet]

Having played a bit against RNB, his ult is deceptively small compared to the visual effects of it.

[vivid nimbus]

RNB?

[warm sonnet]

REM

[vivid nimbus]

Your autocorrect is weird

[warm sonnet]

I may do too many associative nicknames for my own evil

hell naw

I don't let any machine speak for me

[vivid nimbus]

Okay your associative nicknaming is weird

[warm sonnet]

It is

[agile void]

I will challenge you on kelvin

[warm sonnet]

But I'd like to believe I'm among friends

[agile void]

literally dome is functional cc

[warm sonnet]

And his slow is mean

Like

[agile void]

its a wall you cannot escape from unless Dynamo tps you out

[merry verge]

It was a Hard/Soft comparison! His are very potent softies

[vivid nimbus]

I wavered on counting the dome

[merry verge]

dome is maybe worth an asterisk in the survey

[agile void]

I mean if we want to be specific, dome doesnt let you out of the zone

vindicta does the same with stake

[warm sonnet]

Vindicta fits in the same category of dome, so +1 for consistency

But you can still do shit, which is the important bit

[vivid nimbus]

In fairness Bebop also gets an asterisk, his hook is the only forced movement I counted as hard

[merry verge]

I always forget Gray Talon even does that

[warped ridge]

bebop def hard cc

[warm sonnet]

His punch is pretty low-impact, yeah

[warped ridge]

hook + knockup

[agile void]

Also you can cancel the pushback by heavy melee

so its not even that hard to counter if you want to stick to him

[warm sonnet]

oh heavy melee, you never fail me

[warped ridge]

but tbf I'm also just not good at the game

and I'll never know how good I am cause deadlock api broken or something

[warm sonnet]

I reckon Tech is working definition of Hard CC vs Soft CC considers how able you are to move/act significantly while affected

[vivid nimbus]

I'm pretty sure you can also just airdash

[agile void]

You dont need to

[merry verge]

how can i airdash when i already used all my stamina failing walljumps v-v

[agile void]

just check what Is triggered by Reactive barrier

[merry verge]

(love you reactive barrier)

[agile void]

that is technically the devs definition of soft/hard cc

[warped ridge]

yeah I'd say just do this

[agile void]

Now how problematic is one or the other functionally its another thing

[warped ridge]

because honest to fucklords this game makes no sense unless the devs explicitly say something

[warm sonnet]

I wasn't talking about the Dev's definition, so i can be wrong on two accounts

[warped ridge]

like

[warm sonnet]

Yeah that's was the lens I was viewing Tech's listing

[warped ridge]

yes it makes sense the more you play it, cause you have the game in a vacuum

and you'll maybe discover something when playing

[agile void]

getting parried counts as hard ccd

[vivid nimbus]

Okay that pushes Mirage's tornado and Vin's stake into hard compared to my categories

[warm sonnet]

They're immobilize by another name

[agile void]

despite that technically being a problem of your own making

[warm sonnet]

It's the enemy's choice to parry

[warped ridge]

Jaacker btw can you bait parries at all?

like

[agile void]

Yes

[merry verge]

100%

[warped ridge]

how do you do it

[warm sonnet]

Fleetfoot trick, turn around mid-charge

[merry verge]

just hard turn away

[agile void]

preconditioninf

[warped ridge]

can you 180

[agile void]

this too

[merry verge]

yeahp

[warped ridge]

gotcha

[merry verge]

it's BRUTAL to experience

[warm sonnet]

Early enough, yeah

[merry verge]

and deeply satisfying to do

[warm sonnet]

the best feeling is letting people parry-bait for an hour while you mag-dump them

[agile void]

as you play more

[merry verge]

The Billy Special

[agile void]

you can find the tells of even people light meleeing you

[warm sonnet]

"Come on, Teal Abraham, you know you need to hit one of these for Lifestrike to proc. Try me."

[merry verge]

I've yet to get parried after Yamato hook

the timing of your flight is just so cursed

[vivid nimbus]

So in total, out of 34 currently playable characters there are 26 who trigger reactive barrier with an ability

That's 76%, out of the recent 8 it's 75%, so I think we can say there's not a sudden preponderance of hard CC

[warm sonnet]

I cannot say the same 😔

People are just cranky that they don't have the newest champions memorized

[merry verge]

They're just waiting for me to think about buying Spirit Snatch

then they will start the parrying

[agile void]

I do think something worth mentioning is how many have it tied to their ults

like dynamo has hard cc, but its a cc that is up every 3 to 2 minutes

[vivid nimbus]

Okay I can sort this again

[merry verge]

does knockup not count

[agile void]

reactive isnt triggered by that

[merry verge]

:|a /nod

[agile void]

there is also stuff like Mcginnis

which wall also stuns you once is t3

[merry verge]

She was on the list

[vivid nimbus]

Here, * denotes a new-ish character
Hard CC on ult: Billy, Dynamo, Holliday, Infernus, Mo & Krill, Paradox, Rem*, Victor*, Viscous, Vyper, Wraith
Hard CC on basics: Bebop, Graves*, Haze, Ivy, McGinnis, Mirage, Seven, Vindicta, Warden
Hard CC on both: Abrams, Doorman*, Grey Talon, Lash, Paige*, Sinclair*
No hard CC: Calico, Drifter*, Kelvin, Lady Geist, Mina*, Pocket, Shiv, Yamato

It's a fairly even spread

[warm sonnet]

Yup

I didn't even think about the stun on Victor when I made my own list, if only that it is so infrequent

[vivid nimbus]

Whoops missed two

Yeah Victor's is both involuntary and telegraphed

[warm sonnet]

And Sinclair basically has free range to pick any CC ultis available on the enemy team

[vivid nimbus]

Shit you're right I should include him in both

[merry verge]

Max-Range Victor Ults are pretty hilarious lategame though

'KILLED ME, DID YOU?'

[warm sonnet]

They are

TINY BOP UPON THEE

Man I am so eager for warden's redesign

[agile void]

another another thing

if you want to be even more specific

good lightning scroll proccers

[vivid nimbus]

You can do that one

[agile void]

for example, mcginnis, bebop, warden and ivy build lighning scrolls if they go ult/spirit builds

since its a lot of hits and not just one big "fuck you" they get a lot of mileage out of the stun to chase oeople

[merry verge]

Yamato rightclick feels so rude in lane

Not playing the peek game nothankyou

[warped ridge]

Ahh yus

MVP

as the best haze build in da whole world ™

[agile void]

the 0 obj damage

[warped ridge]

MVP

therefore I played correctly

[stray arch]

Obj stands for “Objectionable Damage”, zero is best number

[warped ridge]

graves and mcginnis in brawl so stronk

[torn gulch]

Are graves ghouls directed or do they just run to the closest lane?

[twilit roost]

So who are people voting for now with Graves released? I'm going Celeste cuz she seems like a weird brawler playstyle

[merry verge]

I've been Silvergaming the whole time but spread around some, not heartbroken about Graves, put some down for Celeste and couple for Venator..

Apollo seems exhausting so sorry pal

Nightcrawler you arenot

also I can't get over how often the veil closets work out

[torn gulch]

I'm silverhead through and through

[stable forum]

Blood Tribute can also kinda work, at least if you combine with durability.

you can in theory reactive against curse using counterspell or eshift but uhh

hard

[agile void]

seeing so many thirst for her ans not being the first 1/2 entries is making me laugh

[torn gulch]

People are too busy drawing fanart to play

[agile void]

if Venator or celeste comes next I will proceed to laugh harder.

[torn gulch]

Silent majority wanted little reddit wholesome chungus followed by most braindead character to date

[agile void]

I think drifter also had its loudest voters but he was almost dead last besides victor

[torn gulch]

I put 50 votes down myself

[finite patrol]

I just wanted deadlock undying

[dusky flume]

Deadlock Acquired

[torn gulch]

Anyway, community server poll was right last two times

So we will see

Seems like Silver is leading

[buoyant plank]

it's gonna be really funny if silver narrowly loses every single time

[warm sonnet]

Verylike

[granite heath]

Have they been putting out vote numbers with the characters?

[twilit roost]

They'll do that at the end after voting

[buoyant plank]

What did yoshi mean with this

[final osprey]

women area also the best jumpers though tbf

[granite heath]

Yeah I feel like that first one is burying the lede.
Also do we know Silver only has 2?

[buoyant plank]

datamining probably

[warped ridge]

so I'm having a bug

when I play vindicta I don't hear her barefeet on the concrete

[merry verge]

The world cries if Holliday is allowed more stamina

[warped ridge]

but then holliday would be op

[buoyant plank]

To be honest though stamina matters little in mobility

I've seen some absurdly mobile mcginnises

[merry verge]

Mina also regens stamina faster than everyone

For some reason

[warped ridge]

rich white girl privilege

she doesn't have to be white to have it

[random urchin]

One of the top builds for her right now is called like RACE CAR TURRET/GUN MCGINNIS

[warm sonnet]

Mina is asian though

[random urchin]

And it builds 3+ movement speed items

[warped ridge]

you are correct

[warm sonnet]

Meaning her white girl priveleges come from being pale as hell

[buoyant plank]

White(literal) girl priviledges

[warm sonnet]

Exsanguinate to get that pallor

[merry verge]

Silver probably transformation related but also who can dash that much when probably hungover

[warm sonnet]

dodge is just a drunken stumble

[buoyant plank]

Yeah I'm guessing she either gets more stamina when she transforms or she refreshes it when transforming

so you could do dash>dash>transform>dash>dash

I feel like it'd be too complex for deadlock but I'd really love a stance dance character like that

Like a Bian Lian character for example where each ability is a stance that then goes down a tree of another group of stances

[finite patrol]

"too complex for deadlock" is a wild thing to say without all the context

[fallow scaffold]

😭

[vivid nimbus]

They run to the closest lane

[buoyant plank]

It'd be like three or four characters worth of work for one character is what I mean, similar to why you don't see em often in fighting games

[rich grove]

invoker on the laaaaane

[finite patrol]

I am nearly certain they will make one such hero

[vivid nimbus]

Dota's gotta have mode-swap heroes, right? Where they have ABC abilities in one form and DEF abilities in another?

[granite heath]

Yeah, Kez

[vivid nimbus]

Because League has like 4 of them or something

[granite heath]

troll kind of

Largo also kind of

[buoyant plank]

yeah I'm saying one that has abc def ghi jkl, basically one for each base ability button

[vivid nimbus]

Ahh, gotcha

[buoyant plank]

or even closer to something like ffxiv's monk

where it's basically a tree

[vivid nimbus]

Well I know there is like... Dota Invoker and LoL's painter twink

[rich grove]

invoker makes the average tekken character look like a light read

[buoyant plank]

yeah that's what I mean, now imagine having to use invoker in a 3d space :v

[torn gulch]

Does she have to stand near the tomb or can she just...drop it somewhere.

[granite heath]

Bring back order-matters Invoker

[vivid nimbus]

She can drop it and run off, but enemies can clear it so sometimes she might want to defend it

[rich grove]

get a yuzuriha player into fpses

[torn gulch]

Graves makes my head hurt, gods, the amount of shenanigans possible...

[upbeat perch]

merlin ravenswatch, nalesh is talking about 3d merlin ravenswatch

[buoyant plank]

give me susano'o or hakumen

[rich grove]

we got yamato

refresher yamyam is basically just doin yanagi loops

[buoyant plank]

Yamato doesn't have the 6A

(Hitbox continues full screen)

[merry verge]

Power Slash can feel pretty sizable

[upbeat perch]

a chunk of hakumen's identity can be store-bought, which is funny to me

[buoyant plank]

I still really want other games to experiment with susan's gimmick though

having part of your kit locked until you do stuff

(On a fight to fight basis rather than levels/items)

[upbeat perch]

if you squint hard enough

wait no

was about to say HotS and ravenswatch talent quests but those are just enhancements to existing kit rather than new mechanics

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah it's called earning souls and going to the item store /j

Actually Wraith is kinda like that, needs to do weapon damage for card charges

[stable forum]

just buy more range

it becomes a fullscreen hitbox I promise

slap people from 35 meters away with your sword

it's very normal and good

it also removes half of their health

[autumn field]

ive been stuck into "just play paige" recently

one of the few characters who isnt victor who i like to playu

[frail jasper]

McGinnis with Ricochet is a very mean counter to Graves, or so this last game has demonstrated.

Her deadheads are worthless in the face of "I accidentally kill them all by hosing bullets down the alleyway"

[random urchin]

Ricochet or Tesla bullets in general

[frail jasper]

I also have been buying Inhibitor early (relatively) and am having a lot of fun every time a Bebop or Seven use their ult and I just stand there hosing them (they did not expect a -35% damage reduction)

[winged terrace]

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[autumn field]

ok damn mcguiness is a super powerspiked hero

i was like, 3k behind or so

then i got 2-3 spike items

then the shiv and super-fed graves who was 10k infront of half my team couldnt do shit

backstabber + burst fire made me go insanely crazy

[frail jasper]

Give build ID 55781 a shot, it's been working well for me . "Oops, all debuffs!"

[wintry arrow]

McGunnis is so competent

But I just feel sad every time it's the better build, which is always.

Because I wanna see the little angry machines all go beep beep and shoot someone.

[merry verge]

Combining Heavy and Engi is a fascinating experiment

But I do prefer the latter half

[vestal hearth]

I wonder... would taco bell flavor the blood?

Does your diet influence how you taste?

[stable forum]

play the style you want to play

genuinely, you can just
get good with a style which isn't 'optimal' or whatever

just do your thing, you can make it work.

[rich grove]

THEY ADDED BANS

[bleak thicket]

YOOOO

huge

heres hoping we get a proper drafting mode for the main game mode too

[buoyant plank]

Why did I read this as beans