Really popular at first, and then his player base will be weeded out to the true sickos
#Deadlock
magic summit
merry verge
Well 'push'
vivid nimbus
There's almost definitely some who want him to pocket them
edgy fog
Isn't it pushing? If you're making your side stronger and defeating the enemies, isn't that push?
merry verge
His ally thing doesnt nearly seem Yuumi tier toxic thankfully
And I more mean just he doesnt seem like he'll be mauling down minion waves or towers
No paige dragon here this is Supportive Friend
edgy fog
By himself? no, but you attach your little helpers to your minion wave and suddenly you're buffing a bunch of minions to push down the lane
Healing them and giving them more damage and survivability
merry verge
How many does he get
edgy fog
4
edgy fog
Yeah
vivid nimbus
How many does he get
1/2/2/4 depending on ranks
edgy fog
It also spreads those souls around the team rather than them going to waste. He's literally AFK farming any empty lanes
oh yeah that's true
merry verge
I was gonna say if they're busy counterjungling also pushing lanes seemed like a lot
edgy fog
you do one the minions do the other
merry verge
He just seems like
Without a nearby ally
What's gonna really happen
Pillow CD is enormous
edgy fog
Counter jungling is interesting because you can slither through the walls
which isn't a visible part of his kit but is a boon for not needing to worry about getting caught
merry verge
It still feels kind of crazy that two chars on the roster can interact with those
edgy fog
can they? Who's the other?
merry verge
It just feels like a lot of additions for basically one lil fella
But I also dont want Mo and Krill burrowing through
vivid nimbus
We're also not sure if they have plans for future little fellas
merry verge
Its hard enough to aim orz
edgy fog
"He was silly" - Rem beating Billy up
vivid nimbus
And they might also be testing out the system with Rem and Ava before even thinking about adding it to MNK or Vyper or w/e
merry verge
Vyper seems like an easy pick for it
Oh theres also the Shrinking item in the brawl mode
vivid nimbus
Yeah
mild flume
Also could see it for viscous
vestal hearth
merry verge
They keep adding children for Holliday to stress over
vivid nimbus
Damn I love all those interactions
edgy fog
I got in a bot game to try REM and all my allies are bots and they're so stupid
finite patrol
I am completely unsurprised that bots are bad at deadlock
vivid nimbus
bleak thicket
hes just a little guy
ivory reef
he's such a LITTLE GUY
merry verge
1.6 scaling, damnb
sweet cobalt
he's such a LITTLE GUY
so me-coded
merry verge
got lost
stable forum
https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1qnjx3o/we_need_an_interaction...
'Sorry Venator, I see no God up here but me.'
(the patrons are down there.)
torn gulch
I think I get it when someone said "billy rewards inting" because I should not be able to run at two people and win because I keep clobbering
finite patrol
Jesus how long was that game
finite patrol
not surprising
torn gulch
but I am like
5th game in
I am still probably in MMR of like
people who are just starting the game
stable forum
I think I get it when someone said "billy rewards inting" because I should not b...
I mean accurate yeah.
I did, uhh
run directly around an ulting haze to kill my chosen target of Vindicta earlier
vivid nimbus
.. they should let the rabbits fit in vents >:|a
I think you know exactly why this is a terrible idea
merry verge
getting stuck?
vivid nimbus
getting stuck?
Yeah getting stuck, especially since it's basically a self-inflicted trap unless knockback gets spicy with it
merry verge
See I thought the vents were just little passways through zones that were close together
vivid nimbus
There's both short vent passageways and also the tunnel network
merry verge
well dang
vivid nimbus
Tunnel network already has an issue with being a valid safe spot for the "unstick hero" command
Also if you haven't seen it, ihe tunnel network isn't entirely congiguous, there's multiple sections that connect to different undergound areas like midboss and the secret shop and other basements
merry verge
i shall have to scromble around new york as the little fella
vestal hearth
edgy fog
I would love to make a Deadlock OC
I am but a fool tho
Now here's a question. A lot of the guns in deadlock are reasonably street level. A pistol or magical equivalent, Tommy guns for the gangsters and such. Would you be OK with a large explosive firing weapon? Like a two shot grenade launcher or something?
warped ridge
HE rounds deringers yus
autumn field
first match in is REM!
edgy fog
I hope you enjoy them! Rem was pretty fun when I tried him.
Also I'm a fan of improvised explosives. Just cause the kind of person who makes those is always a fun one.
vivid nimbus
If it was balanced for combat I think I'd hate last-hitting with it
edgy fog
It would indeed be a sucky weapon to last hit with
autumn field
ok wow rem is 10x more fun than most other heros
hes so easy
and relaxed
also his damage is good
@hardy mica IM AGFAINST YOU????
HELP
finite patrol
I think you're going to be fine with a +13k drifter
autumn field
true theyre poppin off
torn gulch
Okay, billy not so good when I get people who can play and rem is annoying as fuck
edgy fog
Rem < 3
autumn field
rem buggy asf
torn gulch
Low HP? Caught out of position? Gonna just stuck to someone fucking 5 km away
autumn field
ok i got wrath
vivid nimbus
Low HP? Caught out of position? Gonna just stuck to someone fucking 5 km away
Though if you're truly caught isolated it looks like you just fucking die
warped ridge
ahh yuumi
vivid nimbus
Some noticeable diffs w/ Yuumi tho
- Noticeable CD on tag along (which starts when leaving)
- Tag along has a max duration per target
- Can't cast 1 or 4 while tagging
merry verge
24m+ is a pretty wide range for 'isolated'
vivid nimbus
Still happens a lot if jungling or split pushing
merry verge
Is he like totally safe while attached to someone
'cause that's the real Yuumi or not
vivid nimbus
I think almost safe, stun ults pop him off
merry verge
Oh absolutely cursed
frail jasper
He's safe while in Tag Along. Ultimate stuns pop him off though. What's troll about it is that if he gets tagged with something like Bebop Bomb or Seven stun and then jumps onto someone, it affects whoever he jumped on but Rem is fine :)
merry verge
like he's not defenseless either
frail jasper
Also those little bastard helpers on troopers are tough cookies in lane
autumn field
i dont get why im actually pretty solid in fps games then absolute dogshit in deadlock
merry verge
but every other ability is so Ugh
frail jasper
It's really not too annoying IMO, not moreso than anyone else is
I still would throw Bebop off a cliff before Rem
warped ridge
i dont get why im actually pretty solid in fps games then absolute dogshit in de...
I discussed this earlier but deadlock is a shooter 3rd
your fps skills largely will not transfer unless you specifically play like quake and even then, only real transfer is just tracking with slight source movement
vivid nimbus
Or TF2 soldier
rich grove
what I'm so confused by is why stun ults specifically
off the top of my head you either need a 6400 or to be playing dynamo or viscous
and lightning scroll might not even count
merry verge
M&K but then you're just slapping whoever they were on top of
rich grove
wraith is also questionable since her ult might just interrupt
not a stun
and yeah since its a physical location
you probably do just come with
rich grove
no paige knockup does stun
merry verge
ah kk
rich grove
another one to add
vivid nimbus
Lash too
rich grove
so a somewhat respectable amount of the cast can... interact with it
support on support violence I guess
vivid nimbus
And by extension, also Sinclair
vivid nimbus
No I mean Sinclair can interact with it by stealing an ult
vivid nimbus
Oh and Victor has a stun on his ult, forgot that. But IDK if that counts as interactive XD
vivid nimbus
Vyper's petrify might count but it doesn't explicitly say stun
agile void
the kind of shit that I end up getting into whenever the game just decides to throw me as Haze
rich grove
it makes the stun stars over your head
vivid nimbus
If it has the stun stars I'm gonna guess it works then
merry verge
I'm just glad he seems to have very long cooldowns
vivid nimbus
not a stun
The lift part is a stun, the silence is after
rich grove
The lift part is a stun, the silence is after
in response to doorman
wasnt sure if wraith was or not
merry verge
will debuff remover work on his ult when he's targetting you or do you have to wait for the sleep to hit
wugh, so much to consider
merry verge
ah
well seems pretty obnoxious then
Doorman ult that you can attack them during, neato
rich grove
das support baby
vivid nimbus
So we got Abrams, Doorman(?), Dynamo, Grey Talon, Infernus, Holliday, Lash, MnK, Paige, Sinclair (if stealing a stun), Victor (involuntarily), Viscous, Vyper(?), and Wraith
rich grove
not a bad mix of roles
vivid nimbus
Oop forgot Holliday too
rich grove
might be a buff in that particular instance
you probably do not want to come along for the ride if she yoinks your buddy
merry verge
lash stun comes at the end right, he might be getting a twofer
or doin being yoinked count
merry verge
boo
rich grove
and then the upgrade that impact stuns
vivid nimbus
I mean it does give Holliday the option to lasso the target and then crackshot the Rem if Rem is in kill range
merry verge
it feels wild that taking runes with the helpers doesn't have a cooldown involved
rich grove
I mean it does give Holliday the option to lasso the target and then crackshot t...
look if that happens to you
you just gotta uninstall
vivid nimbus
Then Holliday deserves the kill?
merry verge
Hollidays that manage to use all of that kit I can't be upset with
rich grove
go to a mountain and contemplate life
merry verge
It's so many difficult things all in a heap
rich grove
watch vods of the great laner pagliacci
rich grove
bets on the days from release to marketable plushie on rem
agile void
bets on the days from release to marketable plushie on rem
he is a labubu
edgy fog
Rem : )
merry verge
why does the ult go through walls
finite patrol
https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1qnvven/they_know_damn_well_wh...
this is violence
merry verge
also jesus the new round start themes hit hard
torn gulch
Hm.. I had a few good games but now I hit the wall. i don't know how to trade, I am getting economy gapped somehow, idk
final osprey
What's cool about Rem is that you don't get to play him and if you did everyone would immadietly leave the match because tehy didnt get Rem.
finite patrol
I have only had one leaver since rem came out and it was an infernus who ran up to the Yamato and heavy meleed her after spamming all his skills then died 8 times in a row before quitting
felt bad for the person who got rem that game
buoyant plank
Yes let me go up and punch the lady with the sword, this will surely end with me surviving
final osprey
tbf, It's a pretty recent change that she actually attacks with it I'm pretty sure
merry verge
Bouncing between this and Rivals makes me appreciate the like.. visual clarity, sometimes it's a heap of spell effects but they're all very distinct
runic cedar
frail jasper
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1032822713569521695/1465647523606695998/image.png?ex=6979de20&is=69788ca0&hm=d8386c22a0f968e17fb9646272e1bd463bc5845461395b8450e223b068cf3e57&
Quite fun indeed, I wish to play more rem
agile void
spiral slate
Now here's a question. A lot of the guns in deadlock are reasonably street level...
I want Warden to have a Lewis or Bren gun, and I'd love a character with a big cjunky autocannon type weapon
stable forum
tbf, It's a pretty recent change that she actually attacks with it I'm pretty su...
she actually was given a second, smaller sword this update
before she had only one sword and attacked with her weird proesthetic hand
she only uses the big sword for Crimson Slash and Power Slash
also she kicks now for her quick melee
edgy fog
Big whump gun
merry verge
I keep accidentally kidnapping Rem as Doorman, my instinct on low hp is to bail with a door and theirs is to jump on me so I end up dragging him outta the teamfight
edgy fog
It is something to consider when jumping on a doorman
warped ridge
That's on REM 100%
only exception is if they ask you not to, and even if, that's up to you if you want to listen
as much as I want to I don't complain about dynamo not ulting for me, I just let him do his thing, and suffer silently
edgy fog
Playing as Mo and Krill with a Rem on my lane
Being massively over protective of the little baby
Also Burrow + the snooze ability is hilarious
mach fuck sleeping Rem running right at you
twilit roost
I think you should be able throw Rem as a teammate, just yeet him at an enemy sinners sac
raven spindle
recs like heroes or strategies/tips?
still swan
Both i suppose?
raven spindle
for general gamesense this isn't bad as a jumping off point
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrcJ9h4mulc
for heroes, uh. i don't know if there's still a metric for how difficult a hero is to play but every single one of them has a role/vibe they encapsulate
mcginnis [thumbnail] is an engineer/heavy support character for instance
short quiver
Any recommendations for a beginner?
Here's a good up to date beginner's guide
https://youtu.be/sg4R3ZT_BWQ?si=5wSQLOdqn3gTr7Oo
autumn field
this game is hard lmao
raven spindle
it is Very hard yes
autumn field
its a moba
raven spindle
combining Valve Shooter with MOBA means you have to do a lot of thinking and moving all the time
short quiver
Have you played other mobas before?
autumn field
so you have to deal with aiming/cooldowns/movement
still swan
Got it
short quiver
Yea it'll be hard lol
autumn field
then you have items and counter-picks (for items) and counter-counter picks (lmao)
still swan
Good ti know
raven spindle
it's a good bit of math homework and strategy combined with the nitty gritty tactics of a shooter like aim and positioning etc
autumn field
and then you have to deal with the whole situation w/ guardians, minions, and when to take midboss, when to push, etc
raven spindle
but honestly, like. you'll be a good bit ahead of most beginners if you just Communicate with ppl
edgy fog
Okay I feel people are losing the lead here
There's a few simple champions
I usually suggest Infernus as just a point and shoot champion
McGinnis is good if you want to just put down turrets and have them deal with the wave for you and not worry about shots too much
I'd say definitely play a bot game
raven spindle
bot games are good for getting down v basics yeag
upbeat perch
i wonder if wraith can be a good intro character
autumn field
i like the card and gun gal
edgy fog
If you want to support people and help them then Paige is a great character for that
autumn field
REM is pretty easy imo, but hella buggy rn
edgy fog
Wraith is good for "I want to press a button and my guns go Brrrrrrr"
upbeat perch
you have cast, reposition, shoot better, CC in the same package
feels like KIND of a good platter for a lot of things that contribute towards an engagement
autumn field
also rem being able to vent makes it really useful for running away
finite patrol
I think Abrams, Infernus, Wraith, Warden, Seven, and Kelvin are the heroes I'd recommend to someone starting deadlock and wanting an easy hero to try.
But the hero designs are very cool and you will want to play the character that seems cool to you and I also think you should just do that
pick 3 heroes to learn with and once you feel comfortable try out everyone
somber creek
Learn with Billy if you wanna be cool and punk
edgy fog
I think paige is a good support learner champ
Some wave clear, a shield that you can fire and forget with, big area cc, and a big area cc heal that you just point in the direction of a team fight
Can she get more complicated? Sure. But very welcoming for starter folks.
quick inlet
I'm in love with Rem's kit
edgy fog
Same with whatshisname. Dr thicc.
raven spindle
dynamo
edgy fog
Thassim
twilit roost
I love his heavy melee is him throwing his belly at you
edgy fog
I had a lane as Mo n Krill with a Dynamo
We were the thiccest lane
We knocked everyone up
somber creek
edgy fog
The Rem on the team came over for a bit to hang out and we two and a half men'd the heck out if the enemy.
(We hit them with a piano)
autumn field
Rem is really forgiving as long as you play safe imo
He heals crazy good with his 2
His 1 is like an easier doorman bell imo
His 3 is just buffs
And his 4 relaxes things
merry verge
His 1 combined with doorman bell means the enemy never really gets to move which is nice
autumn field
its also really easy to make it hit for 600
w/ 3 charges...
also i think its funny how one game ill have a mcguiness with like 70% spirit res and the next game everyone is at like 10% by endgame
man i wanna play like, wraith with inf. ammo
it'd be so fucking funny
autumn field
oh yeah its just an item
who else would be incredibly silly with infinite ammo
vyper has literally infinite cuz she be sliding 24/7
mina?
mina could get funny if you stacked fire rate + inf ammo
electric slipper vyper...
edgy fog
got bodied as Rem. And As Mo & Krill before that. Blergh.
Rough time as Mo & Krill vs a Mina. Honestly Mina just seems massively difficult to deal with
merry verge
She feels kind of dominant in medium to close range which is kind of most of the game
Squishy but like.. schmovement and burst and lifegain and idk
edgy fog
I need to remember to get the slowing hex if I'm up against her in the future so she can't run
merry verge
if I'm Doorman i slowing hex/ult her every teamfight and it's worked just about every time
merry verge
also attack speed reduction hurts her a lot
edgy fog
Hurts a lot with Mo & Krill cause I'm so big
merry verge
plus she can just kind of dance outside of your range
great ult target though
very 'EAT HER, TEAM' able
but coordination v-v
frail jasper
Slowing hex before you jump on Mina is the way to go. If you're wealthy enough, curse counters literally everyone
rich grove
microphones also counter mina
edgy fog
I think I just kinda suck at the game
frail jasper
Focus lens and silence wave are big as well
Curse stands out though because it disables items which prevents debuff remover
And a smart mina will have debuff remover
rich grove
yeah that's pretty much the problem
slowing hex is better than swave economically because you trade a 1.6 for a 3.2 in debuff remover
but either way if you want to seriously kill her you're going to be burning a lot basically just on her
she is a ragebait hero
vivid nimbus
And if you're laning against Mina, watch that buildup and take cover
merry verge
slowing hex is better than swave economically because you trade a 1.6 for a 3.2 ...
i'm also a fan of it being Unable To Miss, she's so NIMBLE
the umbrella is a lot of fun but also goddamn girl get down here
merry verge
Billy seems designed to force people to learn to facking parry
also idk how i feel about Tower Guardians turning to look atcha
<.<
rich grove
tbh I feel like if you're in melee range of billy you generally are just gambling with your life whether or not you parry
merry verge
it's just hard to watch people take so many heavy melees, or the ol knockup lightsmack
good ones are good at baiting them though which is tough
rich grove
the heavy melee thing is mostly inexcusable
the light melee mixup is just "well shit"
merry verge
also just a big rebuttal fan
rich grove
flip a coin on whether or not you block the 50/50 and if you block it he might not even die
if you don't you have the Fell For It Again Award and stay still for the parry anim while he and potentially his teammates abuse you
merry verge
i think they're generally worth at least trying for, idk
he tends to stick well enough to folks whether they miss a parry anim or not
i will say for new folks it's very understandable cause like
What do you mean this third person shooter moba has a parry mechanic
rich grove
I think not immobilizing yourself for 15% chance of reversing the situation is generally better just on the off chance you can connect with a teammate but idk
merry verge
i mean the other option is they just take the hits repeatedly and die
rich grove
you're doing that regardless unless you hit the gamble
frail jasper
melee and parry is very much a mindgame kind of thing, you have to be reading people on both sides and bait out the parry and respond to the punch that isn't a fakeout
rich grove
and you take way more in the instance you miss
merry verge
why do you take way more
it's not like the billy attached to your hip is missing a bunch of shots
rich grove
because you stand still and he shoots you in the face with his gun
your accuracy is improved when your target is moving at 0 instead of 5
when haze sleeps you she can actually aim for headshots and spike her damage considerably compared to even a good amount of body accuracy on a target that can still strafe
having not just a guaranteedish headshotish beam (obviously spray rng can fuck you) but also a guaranteed heavy melee afterwards is way more damage
merry verge
idk i guess i just play against less clever billies
rich grove
this is before taking into consideration the fact that lights put items like lifestrike on double cooldown so the heavy melee generates more additional value there, assuming you don't just die regardless (you generally will(
either way it's his advantage state and it sucks to be in
merry verge
sounds like a fucking obnoxious character then i guess
'cause i've usually been able to stun him for three seconds and get away
rich grove
I mean if he just does the thing that lets you do that then yeah of course you should respond appropriately
merry verge
and if not just let him repeatedly smack you and wish you had a mobility option
rich grove
I would say don't play as if your opponent isn't able to learn from situations but lbr we are all in woodlo
it is probably safer than not to just do the obvious layer 1 "parry when he charges cause he watched a vod where a guy hit Q after every time he headbutted"
merry verge
also just thinking about how his passive works
he's going to try to melee so he doesn't have to reload
rich grove
i have been spiked into ascendant games because oceania population and people still let you get a free light melee on yamato 2
edgy fog
I'm remembering why I stopped playing when I was playing Deadlock before. There's a lot of... just hiding in the start it feels like. Just ducking behind stuff so your enemies can't do anything. Which is like... not the worst and has been somewhat helped with the healing methods but like
damn you're playing peekaboo at the start
vivid nimbus
somber creek
Shes holding that gun directly to paige's temple
merry verge
welcome back velma/daphne
warm sonnet
Who else would want to blarst a librarian to fuark?
autumn field
Finding him yep yep
vivid nimbus
Reading through her voice lines, it sounded more like saving him than finding him
somber creek
Her brother is terminally ill
vivid nimbus
Her brother is terminally ill
I don't think that's it, but we only have puzzle pieces
autumn field
Paige grew up with books, love, and kindness in her family home; but she was at odds with her rebellious younger brother, Bryce. He sought out dangerous occult magics, disappearing one day while Paige's normally-watchful eye was away. Now a talented bibliomancer, Paige seeks answers about her brother's disappearance and will stop at nothing to find the answers.
from the wiki
finite patrol
Bryce... no...
edgy fog
See some people think he's Billy
finite patrol
thats the most obvious lead and also why it can't be true
vivid nimbus
We also have a few voice lines:
Patron to Paige:
Your brother is in trouble, Paige, and while your words could not save him, today, your actions can. Summon me.
Paige on killing Seven:
I won't let my brother end up like you, Seven!
Vyper on killing Paige:
Her brother was just, like, way more fun to hang out with.
But the Billy lines to Paige are definitely too distant
somber creek
Oh so hes probably lost in the astral plane
vivid nimbus
Or something, yeah
warped ridge
okay so
question
what is the difference between purple, orange, and green items
warped ridge
is....is fire-rate universal?
vivid nimbus
The colors mostly matter with the bonuses you get based on how much you spend in each category
warped ridge
yeah like why is chemical flask orange
and there's this one purple item that gives fire rate
finite patrol
because the classifications are not strict
and merc mag gives fire rate and spirit damage on bullets that depends on your spirit and ability usage
its pretty purple coded
alchemical flask being guncis very nice design since it lets supports get 4800 gun investment while picking support items
vivid nimbus
And there's green items that give spirit power, yellow items that give resists, items all over that give a bit of health or regen, etc
finite patrol
like the heroes, the items are very sandboxy
warped ridge
I'm still trying to figure out if I should put items on haze's 1 or her ult
but the descriptions seem kinda vague
bleak thicket
depends on the item?
finite patrol
what imbues are even good on haze?
I can imagine surge sleep dagger
but even that seems weh?
warped ridge
like merc magnum do I put that on dagger or ult?
finite patrol
do not buy that on haze
bleak thicket
why would you merc magnum on haze?
warped ridge
rng from brawlfight plus trying to understand items better
finite patrol
dagger probably
bleak thicket
ah
in that situation dagger yeah
finite patrol
but I'd reroll for a better 6400 if you have reroll
merc mag bonus damage scales based off of base bullet damage and haze bullets deal very low damage without fixation
it doesn't count fixation
frail jasper
spirit haze is real
finite patrol
i dont agree but even on spirit haze you still shouldn't buy merc mag
frail jasper
Probably not, I do agree on that. She gets damage via fire rate + fixation
finite patrol
and active reload is right there
rich grove
you should buy surge of power on haze regardless of whether or not you are going spirit haze because surge of power + slowing hex is the best 4800 you can buy for what they give you
sop gives you the fleetfoot passive while on, scales your dagger damage bigly while increasing fire rate
slow hex is mandatory to secure kills in 90% of matchups
finite patrol
huh good to know
rich grove
my favored playstyle for haze is much less hyperscaler and a lot more "I use smoke to be everywhere on the map for free and dumpster you for being somewhere without a mic"
this is exceptional for that
you should generally never miss a dagger from invis so you get all your sop passives to follow up the already slanted 1v1
knife, get close enough to beam them in the head, chuck slowhex as they wake and complete the toasting by buttsliding with the sop speed/no fire slowdown to extend your mag
bleak thicket
bot matches are very much just "learn the controls"
warped ridge
I am so weak
finite patrol
is that for haze?
warped ridge
yes
frail jasper
That's not a happy haze
frail jasper
Slightly. Still no ROF
finite patrol
cursed
lavish grove
Chatroom, is each character like, associated with a specific patron now?
I vaguely heard something about Billy going with the arch mother but idk if that’s referring to him being like, aligned with her or just the chance he’s working to summoner her because of how the game works
finite patrol
I don't think so
lavish grove
Ahhh ok
lavish grove
Is this for street brawl?
warped ridge
yus
lavish grove
Ok
warped ridge
oh I thought it was temporary so I never selected it
vivid nimbus
It says permanent
stable forum
I'm still trying to figure out if I should put items on haze's 1 or her ult
almost always dagger
the only imbue you don't put on dagger is like, range
I think literally everything else goes on dagger
vivid nimbus
I generally assume that things that activate a stat boost or whatever (surge of power, quicksilver, etc) you put on whatever's the most spammable, but things like cooldown or range that just buff that ability you put on whatever ability you're building around
And then Ballistic Enchantment is weird b/c it falls into both categories
stable forum
I generally assume that things that activate a stat boost or whatever (surge of ...
usuallyyy. Sometimes you want Surge on a specific ability for the spirit power. I run Surge on Willpower when I'm playing Warden and it's fine. I just like having the movespeed on the movespeed button mostly.
finite patrol
I like putting surge of power on power surge not because its objectively correct from a gameplay standard but because its really funny to me
rich grove
its also the former thing :v)
finite patrol
don't make me admit that
rich grove
usuallyyy. Sometimes you want Surge on a specific ability for the spirit power....
rip v1.0 veilwalker + 2 + fleetfoot initial D warden
one of the single stupidest builds I've ever had the pleasure of piloting
finite patrol
oh god yeah
rolling up to the function and through the function and through the pipe on the left side of the pacman map and rolling up to the function with 2000 barrier
rich grove
you bought both shields, veilwalker and fleetfoot and were just largely unkillable at 10k
stable forum
a
rich grove
the problem with stacking that much movement is that you were largely unable to aim but it was funny
stable forum
just modulate your speed while sliding directly behind someone who is attempting to run away from you
...also, Veilwalker is a very good item!
it gives HP and an amount of sustain
rich grove
I mean yes, it is a good item and it was tier 0 for a time after the barrier rework
I am just nostalgic for the days when you had a barrier per damage type and you could roll around cosplaying sonic as an officer of the law
finite patrol
yes but it used to be something else entirely
rich grove
the barrier refill was so good it got punted to 6400 and was fucking unusable
remember when pocket could pick up the spirit barrier item 1 and just not have their -15% spirit debuff
stable forum
ah, right, that.
merry verge
I'm glad I got to experience pre-nerf veilwalker it was like haunting the enemy team
frail jasper
Just Paige'd my little heart out, we managed to make a huge turnaround and steamrolled all the way through their base off it.
- get our asses kicked in our own base but fend them off
- enemy all goes to do midboss
- paradox and I get ready to contest (I had refresher!) but we both get Naptime'd by rem
- they get all three rejuvenators
- somehow we start winning??
- somehow we keep winning as the fight travels up their blue lane???
- we kill them all and run inside to victory????
lane was stagnant, Paige/Victor vs Bebop/Lash and we stayed there for over 16 minutes neither side able to push
severe loom
Had two bad games in Deadlock where the enemy got fed and it wasn't our (me and a friend's duo lane) fault, requeued and hit the mother lode with teammates who responded to macro play and did well in all three lanes
Such a euphoric feeling actually getting the "not ending on a loss" wins
Also did they buff Mo and Krill or did we just run into someone playing way more advanced stuff than us, cause that was the first game we lost
rich grove
Also did they buff Mo and Krill or did we just run into someone playing way more...
mo and krill gains 36472844728384839294948202049294848294857283847488 hp if you have a group
severe loom
From Scorn?
That was what it felt like, he was just running at us with metal skin and debuff remover for all of the midgame
It was literally just him, every single time we got a fight without them around we won handily
Anyways
rich grove
From Scorn?
no just from team coordination
if you have a microphone on that hero yoshi himself personally magically gives you godmode
autumn field
man lemme just say i hate playing drifter
severe loom
But I wasn't the one running at me with Maurice
severe loom
Drifter is kind of a hero for sickos who just go in aggro
rich grove
But I wasn't the one running at me with Maurice
that's what I assume is going on with any demon Mo
autumn field
if you can aim decently you can cycle slide + quicksilver on card to have infinite ammo
rich grove
sometimes you just get the Mo who plays like they got a stack with the entire polycule
autumn field
wraith is kinda like baby Seven to me
rich grove
and they victimize you completely
autumn field
seven is really fun
rich grove
seven is coughing baby to wraith hydrogen bonb
autumn field
i thought he was meta before
severe loom
man lemme just say i hate playing drifter
Semi related, one of the biggest things I personally got so hype for from the game I just played was I ended up winning a fight with a Drifter who jumped into the middle of our side even though I shoulda run, the Haze hit the perfect sleep dagger and I was on 10 HP getting out
rich grove
he got a paradox sized string of consecutive nerfs
he is much more in line than he used to be
severe loom
The other big thing was the Abrams who bailed me out while I was pushing into a Yamato, Lash, and that same Drifter, 3v1ed and lived long enough for me to return and our team to get the rejuv right before he died
Huge ups
rich grove
Semi related, one of the biggest things I personally got so hype for from the ga...
...by any chance did this encounter with the drifter occur while you were burning the shrines
.>
autumn field
actually i kinda wanna play more Rem, but only on a stack
rich grove
ah dang
autumn field
because a stack can tell me what to do
and that means its easy for me
just listen, aim, and relax
rich grove
yeah I coincidentally had an insane kobe knife that saved a dynamo while he was plunking away at shrines
severe loom
It was like, he hit me with the thing, I ran back, he teleported, the wraith hit the sleep dagger, and then I for some reason hit the heavy melee button because I saw he was on like 200 HP, and I got lucky to live the fight
severe loom
yeah I coincidentally had an insane kobe knife that saved a dynamo while he was ...
It could have been, I have not a lot of self awareness, but this was like, 20 minutes ago?
severe loom
Ah, lmao
rich grove
I would've been quite surprised to run into a non Strayan in one of my games anyway
severe loom
Haze Dynamo is a really good lane though, I gotta say
severe loom
Yeah that's cause Paige is broken /s
rich grove
that's because paige is broken
autumn field
no its because she's ho-
rich grove
no disclaimer, paige 2 just does your taxes, makes your lunch and tucks you into bed in lane
nonsense ability
autumn field
ok seriously though its mainly cuz support is incredibly fun to have
like, if i play overwatch, and i have an ana on me, it feels incredible
rich grove
The Pos 4 Player Says: We're Glad You're Having Fun
severe loom
Hey Thresh wanna try to aggress on 3 different players on like 500 health?
rich grove
Hey Thresh wanna try to aggress on 3 different players on like 500 health?
TIME FOR APPLIED SCIENCE
RELEASING SINGULARITY!
RUN, COWARDS!
severe loom
Paige 2s Now you're aggressing onto 3 players with 1k health, thanks!
autumn field
christ.
rich grove
oh that too lol
yeah paige 2 is absolutely insane on Haze because of le fire rate and flat health on a squishy
autumn field
ok so at 300 spirit power, thats 730 HP, bruhhhhhhhhh
severe loom
Dynamo is also really funny in Street Brawl
autumn field
and 25% extra dmg
rich grove
at 0 spirit it gives you 150 hp
autumn field
and it can multiply to 1825 HP
rich grove
don't even think about any of the other stuff: 150 instant hp on 30s cd
severe loom
That's a heavy melee worth of damage!
autumn field
which is half of the tankiest fucking characters in the game right
severe loom
Haze and Rem I think have 650
autumn field
christ i might main her for a while
autumn field
i feel like having a Rem and Paige on a Victor would create a god
severe loom
Infernus is my go to gun carry because he has the funny run button
rich grove
totally negates some character's nukes just because of how the cd rotation happens
autumn field
straight up just cant fucking die
rich grove
while also roiding your partner
autumn field
what do you mean he's full health again
severe loom
Lowkey Curse is the best item in the game now because of hypertanks
autumn field
seriously this thing is amazing
rich grove
curse has always been quadruple S
severe loom
Probably 3k I think? Just spitballing
autumn field
32 seconds cooldown for... 450 HP heal on tanks
maybe a squishier 1.5k too, so thats like, 600-700 HP
720 at 300 spirit power though, on a 3k hp
rich grove
not saying this as if it negates the value altogether, but the thing with heal is that it can be reduced
rich grove
toxic stays doing toxic bullets things, the crippling headshot tech vs victor is well known by now
the flip is that barriers get stripped altogether by... curse got the buff remover functionality from capacitor, right
autumn field
Man curse meta sounds lameeeeeeee
rich grove
quoi moba
frail jasper
Curse is expensive and high cooldown but it directly solves that one really problematic enemy for you
rich grove
mods, crush his skull
mods, hit his granny with a bazooka
mods, grate him over pasta
frail jasper
it does not however beat Unstoppable so if seven is up in space and you saw him pop Unstoppable maybe wait a handful of seconds before wasting your curse on him
frail jasper
Got another rem game in. It went horribly and the other team became unkillable, and thrice did they all chase me like bloodhounds at the same time (scary 😨 )
merry verge
If I could go back in time I would remove Pudge from Dota Allstars
And we would live blissfully in a hookless land
vivid nimbus
What if some other game had the first then?
merry verge
no time travel movies have ever shown something like that to have happened
impossible..
vivid nimbus
TFW you want to pull back after taking a walker and pair of base guardians, but your team refuses, so you just keep throwing down turrets and heals in a five minute long base siege
Finished the game with 16.8k spent out of 31k earned
rich grove
cest la woodlo
torn gulch
This took me way to long to realize that billy has a nasty all in combo. "Why does this guy rush upgrade 2 for 3" and then I took 15 seconds to read ability names and I was, oh
agile void
merry verge
I keep trying Vindicta cause the ult is delightful but the rest of her kit just doesnt do it for me v-v
warped ridge
I cant say anything, items and abilities make no traditional shooter sense
My guess is vindicta probably wants to build spirit damage and duration + some other random thing so she can stay in the air 24/7
merry verge
Yeahyeah, spirit scales the ult too, it just.. i'unno. flying is kinda neat but the rest of her abilities just sort of feel ehhhh. not a fan of the basic gun so playing a character for Just Ulting feels silly
idk why they decided she should have a machine gun
it sounds like it's firing bullets that kill boats and they hit so feebly
and it's like a crusty old musket thing
warped ridge
Because bullets are basically thoughts and prayers in this game, except tangible
That's right Christians, deadlock is a better Christian game than whatever the church is making you play
You get more power by getting "Spirit" and your guns blessed by different denominations are suddenly stronger
merry verge
this must be how Venator will play
warped ridge
I want to play Chad father so bad just to dumpster pocket and be like, "this isnt what your mother taught you"
astral lava
every gun needs to be automatic in this game for soul securing purposes
warm sonnet
The longer you need to keep your reticle on target for a kill the worse I get at the gunshoot
warm sonnet
Blue Ibrahim? I shoots 'em good
Wraith? Perfectly Outlined Opponent
Glocket? Generally kill
McGunnis? Nuh uh
merry verge
I'd love to play Ivy everything about her is delightful but alas
TF2 Scout Shotgun.. I miss you good
/gentletoche
They keep giving your archtype SMGs
because they hate me
warped ridge
I just want haze but with a different ult
merry verge
Wraith with a Veilwalker /nod
merry verge
but four arm
warm sonnet
Might just be different abilities per gonne
merry verge
Could definitely see Big Fuckoff Holy Crossbow being ult-related
We haven't gotten the 'sticks you to walls(ortrees,dota)' character
warped ridge
It's a shame this game doesnt have jump boosting off minions but I see why they wouldn't
merry verge
I want him to counter Mina and Drifter for lore reasons
warped ridge
Afaik you also can't corner boost immediately after jumping
This is probably healthy but this saddens me
merry verge
People definitely still go fast enough so I'm okay with there being a liiiittle bit of a cap on mobility
agile void
I keep trying Vindicta cause the ult is delightful but the rest of her kit just ...
Vindicta these days is played as more of a long range support
agile void
I think grillmaster is the common build iirc
merry verge
I thought they took the knees offa grillmaster
agile void
Basically echo shard stake and force them to stay in the spot as they are burned
warped ridge
It doesn't bother me either way, I just want to know if I was justified in reporting a dynamo for text abuse
agile void
did he call you a slur?
merry verge
i'd call her like an assassin/carry? the first.. first, but like Gun Still Works
but she doesn't feel as teamwipe-y as the others
warped ridge
No, but he was complaining about me playing safe instead of just asking me to not to
agile void
because you can play her as a carry, she is just not the defacto carry
a proper carry would be wraith or so
warm sonnet
Ye, her toolkit enables ganking in particular
warped ridge
Ahh mmk, so I prob wasnt justified unless valve actually views neutral toxicity as bad which is always random
torn gulch
But seems like he might be a Swaps Weapon Types kinda fella
He has a shotgun on one of his abilities
apparently
warped ridge
So doesnt matter too much outside of maybe an over-report
warm sonnet
Now, if each ability using a weapon switched to it when using it it'd be cool
agile void
There is a point where someone is too scared to go in
warm sonnet
Some people assume you'll start going in when they go in
agile void
I have seen hazes kill shit, then keep farming rather than try to take walker after the kill
warped ridge
It was brawl early on. 9/10 not worth for me to get harassed, which is what ended up happening later and dynamo basically going afk
agile void
ok if it was street brawl fuck that guy
agile void
he is literally in ARAM, there is no need to start sweating in that one
warped ridge
9/10 the good players just go. "Yo I'm gonna go in when you go in" or "haze/seven Ill ult then you ult ok?"
warm sonnet
I've been getting more griefers and whiners in Floor Battle than in standard violence mode. I blame the quick-fix mentality of such modes
A long game you have to stick through it even on rough patches, but short-form means you can easily drop it if you feel it's going bad
merry verge
Wondering if it's partly People Too Angry for standard trying for something else
warm sonnet
Could be
merry verge
I go for the cunning plan of 'asking the 24/0 infernus if i can play the game' and it rarely works
warped ridge
I've gotten way more on the normal game mode but also I know I was at the point where people start getting toxic cause they arent good at the basic fundamentals of team games but good enough to crawl out of the early pits.
astral lava
competitive games just encourage you to get angry
warped ridge
Also that was before brawl
merry verge
People that get upset with their team for like, not understanding every facet of this very intricate and busy game that is not even released yet floor me
warped ridge
competitive games just encourage you to get angry
Yeh, it's probably worse for people who play comp games by themself.
I know it is for me but usually I try not to be toxic about dumb teammates and accept the L to myself.
Only real issue is I still bitch about it and that's not a good habit but I dont bitch in game usually unless someone's already flaming me
agile void
I remember someone being racist to me and I answered
"Dude you are playing wraith, you are the one with the black character"
Seriously Why so many people default to be racist as an insult
warped ridge
I mean I got frustrated last night and started saying last night, "if I meet you fucks in real life I'm kneecapping you all cause you ain't using your legs meaningfully"
But that was to myself
But also realizing deadlock is a very silly game where you bait yourself on engage if you don't W key
Cause you use your escapes to engage and you just die
agile void
pocket moment
merry verge
I only meet folks still.. figuring them out, seems like
warped ridge
It's a tossup for me
merry verge
I get demon Calicos that make me want to play her but then I try and everyone survives my burst and woe
'well, i guess i'm here now'
warped ridge
I've seen people try to outsweat with movement mechanics but at a certain point you realize a lot of people who know the movement mechanics are bad in other ways
merry verge
/dies
warped ridge
Yeah I can see calico being annoying to fight
warm sonnet
When it's down to it, items decides damage in lock of the dead. More souls = More Boons and More Items
warped ridge
I still get annoyed cause CC just doesn't feel like it should
warm sonnet
And baybe, Carl Ichor is a pick fighter. She's dives whomever dies, and then they dies.
warped ridge
Insofar as hero differences
But tbf that's mainly bebop being bebop with everyone else just getting CC to the point if you get CC'd you're already dead anyways so it doesn't usually matter that much unless they're stunlocking you
warm sonnet
And that's usually whomever invests the least in Green or too poor to meaningfully foight back
still swan
I do like the fact Seven wants to protect Rem
merry verge
'CREATURE-'
warm sonnet
He's a dreamer at heart
still swan
Or at least tells him not to trust the feds
merry verge
I didn't really expect Seven's face to be able to.. emote
warped ridge
Seven can't vote due to being a criminal but he would have voted for Rem if he could
merry verge
stupid little ":>" when he's on fire
still swan
Haze also seems scared for Rem
merry verge
I'm thinking she accidentally Dreamwalked him here
still swan
Despite being part of the organization that Seven warned Rem about
merry verge
at this point I'm just kind of trying to find someone I can play that isn't Doorman
not that I don't love you, Doorman. LoveyouDoorman
warm sonnet
He is quite Jolly
still swan
Doorman is the same species as G-Man
still swan
This is my Headcanon
merry verge
His whole kit is so damn funny
slamming a door shut behind you with 20hp and a dream
carting engages..
Banishment
still swan
Doorman's just here for the love of the game, essentially
merry verge
he picked a good city for peoplewatching tbf
warm sonnet
"My... employers would prefer that I don't take you to your room... Not... until I show you our spa section, where, you can find AaaLL the world's fffinest ways to.... RE-lax ones body, or soul."
You are already at the spa, it's great, the doorman knows this because he is The Doorman and he SERVES.
-# for as long as he deigns to
merry verge
and like they put that into every animation so well
checking your nails on reload while waiting for someone to return from Their Room
warped ridge
"My... employers would prefer that I don't take you to your room... Not... until...
"No......doorman, don't put me in the pocket dimension with Silver...oh no...she'll maul me"
merry verge
Banishing someone with a Rem attached makes him pop off by the way
Which is probably the smarter decision but also, damn..
still swan
Im eager to see what Silver is like personality wise
Admittedly partially because "wow cool werewolf"
merry verge
I'm wondering what the kit will be like too, Drifter kind of already has Rather Werewolfy moves
warped ridge
Prob an ult that does percentile stacking bleed or something built off fire rate where the bleed percentage is based on her own HP or something
Or she shoots a laser beam from her mouth like godzilla
merry verge
I didnt expect hobo vampire to summon The Shadow Realm so could do whatever
I think? She has a pump shotgun?
Or double barrel
I'm wondering how UndyingDota Graves might be
still swan
I didnt expect hobo vampire to summon The Shadow Realm so could do whatever
The most dangerous Vampires are the ones you least expect
Homeless, Cab Drivers...
warm sonnet
I do love that the G-Man is a government official. He's here on behalf of those that Run Things. He's official. He's professional but not in service. Not to you. He's here to handle The Things, you might serve.
The Doorman is a service worker. He's here on behalf of Himself. He wants to experience the lives of people, not spend them as per usual. He knows the people who Runs Things, but he's not indebted to them. They're co-workers. He's slumming it.
warped ridge
I like drifter
agile void
I do wonder if doorman is actual friends with the owner of the baroness
or just basically picked a random service to become
like how he seems to hate geist the moment she shit talks the the baroness
merry verge
I partly wonder if he's the whole damn Baroness Hotel
It seems a very genuine passion
warm sonnet
He's Proud, of his job and workplace
still swan
I do love that the G-Man is a government official. He's here on behalf of those ...
exactly, same people (species wise, at least) but completely different motives and reasons
agile void
finite patrol
I partly wonder if he's the whole damn Baroness Hotel
I think so
like the doorman and the baroness are two aspects of the same entity
the doorman the baroness and the holy ghost
merry verge
Two per week!
warped ridge
good to know
also trying to read wiki and understand it correctly
as a hypothetical
Haze's fixation grants a stack on shooting a target
this does mean that her ult does grant a stack of fixation every shot correct?
or is it two because "perfect accuracy" means headshots?
short quiver
Im eager to see what Silver is like personality wise
Character interactions I've seen imply she's a hot mess
And VERY heavy drinker
still swan
Werewolf Failgirl? Nice
agile void
or is it two because "perfect accuracy" means headshots?
stacks more per bullet on headshot
bullet dance is all bodyshots
so hypothetically you will always do more damage with your regular gun than your 4 if you are flawless in head tracking
warped ridge
see that would be good to specify
because perfect accuracy is vague
even if like, balance wise, it's make sense not to be headshots in the ult
agile void
I mean its bullets that cannot be avoided unless you are outside its range
so it is perfect accuracy with that logic
there is a reason why Metal skin is neccesary alongside disarm if the haze gets fed
warped ridge
ye but if a character is ever released with body blocking where only their head takes damage then it will no longer be perfect accuracy
warped ridge
so how does haze's ult work then? does it just not do anything because it does body shots and would whiff?
warped ridge
yeh but see what I mean tho
and like, again, experience wise I know shooty skills don't transfer to deadlock well
on the flipside Idk, maybe it's just treating it as raw as like "you just hit the target"
cause theoretically that way it follows raw numbers logic
and ofc when you look at like shotguns, if they fragment or have pellets, perfect acc----
wait if you pair Haze's ult with multishot
does....does it land the entire spread into the target?
like no way it would right because shooting the gun with perfect accuracy just means it's aimed correctly, not the behest of how the bullets work
even if it doesn't wouldn't theoretically the speadshot item turn haze's ult into a blender because it shoots 5 shots at once and if there's multiple enemies they can get sprayed by the AOE? 
but then again it procs bullet-based effects
and scatter shot isn't a bullet-based effect?
but it still says "firing your weapons"
humm wiki doesn't say
I wonder if I can test in-game, I think I should
I noticed last time deadlock's testing tools were kind of limiting because it wouldn't let me disable stamina regen unless I just missed the command for it or there's a wiki somewhere I don't know about
warm sonnet
I think Multishot is tied to "M1" shooting, whereas Bullet Dance is it's own source of shooting
warped ridge
I'd assume so for balance reasons but it would be good for it to specify
frail jasper
wait if you pair Haze's ult with multishot
Pretty sure they don't mix
warm sonnet
I think it has less to do with balance and more to do with the system they coded for shooting and the system they coded for Bullet Dance "shooting" being different system altogether.
warped ridge
wait how does dmg calculation work?
max fixation stacks level 1 using haze ult does 19 damage but occasionally does 20 damage per shot 
warm sonnet
Percentage values I presume
Round up/down until the proper value is met, I.E 19.2 five times is collated and becomes a 20
frail jasper
If split shot worked for bullet dance I'm sure we'd see more people taking split shot on haze, but really what they do is ricochet instead which is definitely an on hit effect and definitely does work
warped ridge
Round up/down until the proper value is met, I.E 19.2 five times is collated and...
ahhh yeah I can see that
warm sonnet
Ye, I assume Split-Shot keys to M1 input
frail jasper
Speaking of ricochet, yesterday I did a Cancer Bullets McGinnis build with ricochet and toxic bullets + silencer + inhibitor and 1v1'd a super fed Victor with ease
It was quite fun and effective
warm sonnet
I need to get greedier with T4 items
I usually stack up low-impact itemry when a decent T4 would do the job
warped ridge
Round up/down until the proper value is met, I.E 19.2 five times is collated and...
also trying to see if I can change the hud to show decimals
cause that would be useful to me when testing stuff to know exactly
frail jasper
There's also damage falloff to account for, bullets do less damage as distance increases (some weapons have different falloff ranges like vindicta)
warm sonnet
and some have max range (Beep beep and Driveby)
warped ridge
testing LOS is neat
interestingly enough, if you peek a corner it doesn't actually grant LOS for abilities
so you basically can get shot in the face even though you can't use your ability
I wonder I can visualize the bullet path because it seems a bit specific and doesn't match LOS
@agile void omg this is so silly
actually gotta crop the end of that yippee
ability targetting so silly
I guess if you ult as haze you really wanna track the target with your reticle just to be safe
agile void
I guess if you ult as haze you really wanna track the target with your reticle j...
pretty sure warden has also a similar thing
when he ults
warped ridge
yeh
Idk the command for bullet tracing/reticle tracing or w/e
like it displays the red X but I'd like a line like for the LOS
warped ridge
pretty sure warden has also a similar thing
vindicta's might actually be camera based
stable forum
ok so at 300 spirit power, thats 730 HP, bruhhhhhhhhh
stable forum
I keep trying Vindicta cause the ult is delightful but the rest of her kit just ...
The secret with Vindicta is that her gun is good and you can just build firerate + spirit and shoot people during flight for a thousand dps or whatever
I'm trying to get a proper ultbuild for her with the whole Lightning Scroll but I still haven't worked it out quite right yet.
finite patrol
I had a street brawl game where I had a 800 barrier willpower
and refresher
and diviners kevlar
stable forum
Vindicta these days is played as more of a long range support
I mostly see carry & grillmaster
grilling isn't as good but it's still A Thing Kinda
it's awkard / harder to hit
stable forum
I'm trying to get a proper ultbuild for her with the whole Lightning Scroll but ...
I am looking directly at Lightning Scroll + Diviner's Kevlar and just like
Dropping four shots of .85?s stun on someone as a 'suppression' thing
or five with the new item actually
I think this kills most people even if you're hitting them from really far? but you have to be able to hit uhh
several shots consecutively, and they get to burn stamina to take cover from you
follow up shots are sorta guaranteed because you can hit them during the stun
total damage should be like, 1200~ if they don't drop below half health, much much more if they do?
tankbuster / lightning scroll might also be valid idk
merry verge
My main problem is the ult is the only part of her kit I enjoy
Also how has mina not been nerfed, by god
somber creek
God Holiday needs a stamina back
stable forum
Also how has mina not been nerfed, by god
Mina's ult specifically is like
kinda mediocre??
The rest of her kit though is like, yeahh.
She's not as ridiculous as Infernus used to be...
Infernus has literally had a 40% total output reduction and he's still okay.
warped ridge
yeah majority of Mina's kit bothers me, her ult I'm okay with
but tbf her ult is the list of ults that is like "can be CC'd out of"
where like Bebop doesn't
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...weh?
somber creek
Mina has been nerfed a few times
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the big thing which is fairly strong about Mina's ult is the silence.
also Mina is more CC resistant than bebop while ulting
Mina's allowed to use her iframe + mobility ability during her ult
somber creek
It's also a really way to proc love bites
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Bebop isn't allowed to use even DBR during his ult.
rich grove
shebop
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warped ridge
weird, game might have glitched or something but mina got cc'd off a sleep dagger and bebop didn't
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oh
that's just because sleep dagger is dumb
and is very particular about what it interrupts
it... only interrupts mobility abilities, in my understanding.
rich grove
sleep + ult is just bizarre
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I guess Mina's ult counts as a mobility ability?
rich grove
some stuff like Lash it just shuts altogether
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it's weird that it doesn't interrupt Bebop or 7 ults actually
rich grove
most of the things that just fire and forget don't get interrupted
like Dynamo black hole doesn't
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because both of those involve hanging in the air like Mina's
merry verge
oh the ult comment was about vindicta
warped ridge
idk you could tell me if you shoot the sky it changes the color to nyancat and then by pressing parry and melee at the same time your character iframes through a ledge instead of mantling and I'd believe you
merry verge
Mina's ult is annoying but solveable
rich grove
Seven doesn't even have to aim his ult
merry verge
it's just she does Everything Else
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oh the ult comment was about vindicta
yeaah, this is fair.
rich grove
it's weird that Bibbles and Mina work inconsistently though
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I think Vindicta's kit is pretty okay overall
rich grove
both of them hang time and then fire a beam of Stuff
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(at least now that I know that she can Just Shoot People)
warped ridge
oh I should go into testing range and turn on player hurtboxes to see if you can headshot haze at all during her ult
merry verge
Critical Haze portrait kills me, she's really just some fog in a snappy outfit
rich grove
she just becomes a particularly stinky uniform
frail jasper
I'm tickled by rem insisting haze is his mom
warped ridge
I kinda miss the v1 Haze
https://i.imgur.com/YamlDIn.png
looks like some sorta bunny anthromorph
mild flume
the head things just make me think of a switch controller
frail jasper
Leftovers from the game deadlock is built over. I kinda don't look forward to a new viscous model
We love our sphere head
The rest of it is just the old Kelvin model though
Yamato is gonna lose her giant alien forehead though
And krill probably stop begin a little alien thingy
warped ridge
I'm so worried what Yamato's new look is gonna look like
frail jasper
There's leaks iirc, but older. It looked fine
vivid nimbus
I think it’s funny that nothing but death interrupts McGinnis ultimate
Stuns, sleeps, being a cube, still barraging
winged terrace
what "self casts" actually work and target the other player with rem's tag along?
frail jasper
Guardian ward, divine barrier, healing rite, rescue beam
Genuinely drawing a blank on any other self cast items. Anything that you just press a button for is not self cast (eg. Debuff Remover) and does not transfer
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Guardian ward, divine barrier, healing rite, rescue beam
Genuinely drawing a bl...
Scourge
frail jasper
Yeah that would work
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as far as I can tell, it's just to ensure you can target the person you're with
frail jasper
I've been wanting to do a game of rem where I get torment pulse + scourge and AOE, maybe vortex web too, and jump on teammates to just melt whoever is around them. I coin it as the Nightmare Engine
frail jasper
I'm so worried what Yamato's new look is gonna look like
yamato redesign leak from 3 months ago, supposedly. I have no idea what the credibility of this is and am not gonna spend the time digging for it so grain of salt yadda yadda
bleak thicket
big hat :o
vivid nimbus
First Rem pick in Night Shift
rich grove
oh my fucking god.
@vivid nimbus did you just see that sequence
holy SHIT
that was SO creamy
rich grove
Rem sleeps the team, hops onto Yamato while Billy ults, Yamato unstop tanks Billy pull, then Rem jumps onto Shiv and extends his life long enough to get the gamble parry on Billy and turn the fight at 1HP
absolutely horrific reversal
dude this Shiv movement is
what the fuck
vivid nimbus
Amazed that Yamato and Visc are the two who lived in that teamfight