stupid
#Deadlock
rich grove
stable forum
w a o
stable forum
oh right that other thing i really hate
Metal Skin
does not actually make you immune to bullets
it makes you immune to bullet damage from bullets
stable forum
nono
rich grove
stable forum
Plating is only for Infernus & Toxic Bullets & similar 'buildup' effects
rich grove
defo stops haze
stable forum
and also haze (because screw her apparently)
rich grove
look its fine
rich grove
we can take it- oh god mina lmfao
vivid nimbus
Yeah it blocks Mina
stable forum
i dunno how it interacts with mina
rich grove
i mean not that her love bites damage sans procs is that good
stable forum
because she's both a buildup thingy and an on-hit damage thingy
and every other source of on-hit damage is not stopped by plated
rich grove
freakish and unnatural
stable forum
it feels very dumb to have your character go 'bullets don't work on them!' while you kill them with a gun
vivid nimbus
Per wiki there's a bunch the on-hit blocks, but it's not universal
stable forum
i love inconsistent ruules
vivid nimbus
For items, the on-hit protection:
Blocks: richochet, siphon bullets, spirit shredder, spirit rend, backstabber, slowing bullets, toxic bullets, silencer, inhibitor, spiritual overflow, headshot booster, headhunter
Doesn't block: lucky shot*, tesla bullets, capacitor, mercurial magnum, cripping headshot, split shot*, escalating resilience, mystic shot, restorative shot, burst fire
*Deflectable tho
And then AP rounds gives a 50% chance for a shot to ignore it
warped ridge
don't think my build is good (we won) 
stable forum
And then AP rounds gives a 50% chance for a shot to ignore it
it's very funny that Plated used to beat AP rounds
vivid nimbus
And lucky shot, tesla bullets, capacitor, and mercurial magnum are the items that do direct on-hit damage but aren't blocked
stable forum
don't think my build is good (we won) <:sadcowboy:572822626456698892>
do not the Express Shot or Sharpshooter but otherwise yeah.
rich grove
i'm assuming that this was in the roguelite mode
stable forum
yeaa, you still shouldn't take Express or Sharpshooter on Haze in Brawl >.>
I would take Any Spirit Item over them
rich grove
look if I have to think about this too much I'm going to rip my hair out
stable forum
fair!
vivid nimbus
I would take Any Spirit Item over them
Well we don't know how bad the other two options were, they could've been worse yellow/green items
(You can also get freebies sometimes)
stable forum
it's hard to get worse than Express on Haze I think >.>
but, yeah, fair.
I just like buildcrafty stuffs >.>
stable forum
it's hard to get worse than Express on Haze I think >.>
specifically express eats 30% of your magazine
rich grove
yeah but you're also not going to proc it ever
stable forum
it procs always now
warm sonnet
They've changed it's cooldown to fixed
stable forum
yeaa
warm sonnet
No more cooldown once you stop blarsting
stable forum
expressbrams is in fact back
vivid nimbus
I have issues playing Street Brawl because all my heroes in the main mode I've played heavily green/purp so IDK how gun builds work
warm sonnet
expressbrams is in fact back
He's almost as expressive as the Doorman
warm sonnet
He is!
rich grove
he legit just looks like the
vivid nimbus
Just found out cult sac is in the street brawl pool XD
rich grove
YES LOL
I keep going 'ooh could be fun' and then realising all the creeps just disintegrate
stable forum
everything is in the street brawl pool
rich grove
trophy collector is also in for some chungus fucking reason
vivid nimbus
I keep going 'ooh could be fun' and then realising all the creeps just disintegr...
Yeah Deadlock doesn't have cannon/super minions like league
warm sonnet
Upgraded Trophy collector sure is something
stable forum
I took Enhanced Trophy Collector exactly once on Warden
rich grove
cult sac at least is like oh yeah I can actually turn this on
stable forum
it was okay
rich grove
but trophy collector is
stable forum
i took it for range
warped ridge
I just like buildcrafty stuffs >.>
yeah Idk how to do this
warm sonnet
It was the range
rich grove
are they trying to just convince people that the item is ass
warped ridge
I'm only a ranked gold league player
warm sonnet
If you got enough kills to max out the Upgrade Cultist Sack, then it'd definitely be worth it
stable forum
i probably am more aware of buildcrafty stuffs than most people because I... make all of my own builds
warm sonnet
99 percent increase aoe
rich grove
i think the problem is that you just get like
stable forum
If you got enough kills to max out the Upgrade Cultist Sack, then it'd definitel...
it's 5% per
rich grove
8 kills + assists across an entire game if you're lucky
warm sonnet
oh
stable forum
you'd just hit the 100% cap
stable forum
yes
stable forum
make duration and range not scale 'multiplicatively negative' with eachother!
vivid nimbus
8 kills + assists across an entire game if you're lucky
I've seen higher but yeah there's also no guarantee you get it round 1
rich grove
god forbid you die early at any point
stable forum
let me get 200% duration
warm sonnet
The most useful part of it is honestly the regen
stable forum
...the out of combat regen?
rich grove
the souls :v)
warm sonnet
When you lose a push but they can't counter it
warm sonnet
NEVER Okay sometimes
stable forum
yep!
rich grove
i have unfortunately been forced to use the regen from forty dudes a couple times
which is
so fucking funny
stable forum
gah
rich grove
like it's just so pathetic now
stable forum
fortitude is so baaad
it's really bad
idk if it's quite the worst item in the game but like it's up there
rich grove
I was running around with 500 out of 2000 hp and going 'huh I swear I would've been full like five seconds ago...'
wrong stupid that was three patches ago
frail jasper
Fortitude in street brawl is an unappealing choice. It's fine in normal play.
stable forum
i can't immediately think of anything worse than it though
rich grove
they hit it with the rubber mallet so many times that I think they might have finally succeeded in making it not good
but ymmv
I definitely miss being able to have perma-uptime roaming around and butt-slamming people, but I also recognise it was perhaps a Little Distorting
vivid nimbus
Huh, fortitude regen has a longer timer than normal out of combat regen, didn't know that
frail jasper
The latest heal troopers do kind of make it less relevant, since you can just go hit two lane waves and get most of your hp back, but Fortitude does support roaming around more without needing to visit lanes or base
vivid nimbus
Oh but it from not taking damage
stable forum
yeah, it's a bit different, since you can be dealing damage
vivid nimbus
Which means pushing waves doesn't stop it unless you get aggro
stable forum
slowing bullets might be worse than Fortitude maybe???
stable forum
cheat death is playable i think
rich grove
I've seen serious arguments for it on doorman and for a while it was +100% mental damage on vic
frail jasper
I still sometimes get slowing bullets if I know my gun is gonna be dogwater anyway.
rich grove
especially when people didn't know about stuff like crippling headshot
frail jasper
Depends on the target though.
warped ridge
doorman is based, it's splitgate but not by devs that are killing their game
stable forum
oof
vivid nimbus
Ah yeah I guess doorman has great peel so can get away in that 5s
rich grove
so victor would just have 2349028490248 hp, die the first time, cheat death, heal a fuckton cause your team was too stupid to kite, get downed a second time with premium ults, then rez
surely the play pattern ever
rich grove
Ah yeah I guess doorman has great peel so can get away in that 5s
yeah when he actually has the money for cheat death, he has basically infinite range on doors and basically 100% uptime on them
stable forum
the 'proper' answers I've seen to Victor are like
Vindicta (she does damage and he can't sit next to her)
and Focus Lens
rich grove
if you have the presence of mind to put a door down somewhere you probably have a completely uninteractable out to any chase
unless they really get your ass with chain silence/orchid/curse
vivid nimbus
Oh infinite rounds isn't just what it says on the tin, it's also got a better AP rounds effect, okay
merry verge
and you get the pleasant feeling of slamming the door in someones face
stable forum
Oh infinite rounds isn't just what it says on the tin, it's also got a better AP...
yes
rich grove
and you get the pleasant feeling of slamming the door in someones face
"nuh uhhhhhhhhh"
stable forum
several? of the legendary items are 'like x but better'
vivid nimbus
And also +200% bullet velocity
stable forum
for example, the ghost shot thing is actually secretly Inhibitor
rich grove
if you're like that you can also whip 180 and cart people through the door as they're chasing you
bing bong fuck ya life
stable forum
for example, the ghost shot thing is actually secretly Inhibitor
(they made Inhibitor yellow and didn't tell anyone)
rich grove
it's yellow for an amazing reason
vivid nimbus
I got Omnicharge Signet on McGinnis when I already had the other two +charge items and it was silly
stable forum
heh
rich grove
which is also what the doctors told my parents when i caught jaundice as a one year old
vivid nimbus
No one needs +7 charges, +6 is fine
stable forum
you can get more than 8 slots in brawl
rich grove
do bonii not count as items for slots
frail jasper
since it's the topic of the moment, here's a compliation of all but 6 of the brawl-unique items
stable forum
do bonii not count as items for slots
bonii count for item slots unless your item slots are full
in which case they give you
an extra slot
it's really weird
rich grove
hysterical
rich grove
thank you boners
warm sonnet
who doesn't love boners, honestly?
stable forum
you can then sell the boner
and replace it with another item
it's literally just an extra slot it's kinda messed up
vivid nimbus
Tech that's only unlocked round 4 I guess
autumn field
since it's the topic of the moment, here's a compliation of all but 6 of the bra...
omnicharge feels like its op as shit
stable forum
omnicharge seems fine???
autumn field
most of these feel op as shit tho
vivid nimbus
It was really good on McGinnis, but alas we still lost
stable forum
it's weird but I don't know that it's actually better than
staring at Wings
pans over to Piano
Piano is so funny
frail jasper
omnicharge on paige sword, go
rich grove
haha holy shit that says 2s stun
rich grove
what the helly
in a game mode where you physically cannot get debuff resist most of the time
vivid nimbus
I saw a streamer playing Lash get piano'd and it was hilarious
rich grove
lmfao
autumn field
i mean, +4 charges is a lot of them, which lets you do some crazy shit
autumn field
even +2 on certain non-charges is really good
warm sonnet
I need viper with the slippers
stable forum
haha holy shit that says 2s stun
have you seen Enhanced Knockdown?
point and click 1.25 second stun
warm sonnet
stable forum
point and click 1.25 second stun
(plus the normal Knockdown 'does not tick down until you hit the ground' thing)
...also Piano removes all your stamina, I think???
idk I haven't hit it or seen it much
vivid nimbus
Also it's AOE
rich grove
I need viper with the slippers
but the
bu
but she doesnt
but s
but she doesnt have FEET
warm sonnet
She do though
warped ridge
didn't stop the mermaid from that one disney movie
vivid nimbus
didn't stop the mermaid from that one disney movie
The Little Mermaid??
warped ridge
is that what it's called?
vivid nimbus
Yeah it's based on a Hans Christen Andersen story/fairy tale
warped ridge
oh the guy from FGO? sick
stable forum
but the
bu
but she doesnt
but s
but she doesnt have FEET
unfortunately false
Vyper is actually just a risk of rain 2 lemurian
vivid nimbus
BTW the original story has a stupid ending
warm sonnet
Hate them big bassards
vivid nimbus
It's so stupid I feel compelled to mention that fact whenever the story comes up
warped ridge
BTW the original story has a stupid ending
isn't it she can't speak and the guy can't understand her so she cries and dies or something?
rich grove
it just now occurred to me that the original risk of rain had an incredibly blatant aghs scepter reference in it
and now hopoo himself is working on a valve moba
that's incredibly funny
actually holy shit is that why you can't fucking attack and move in ror1
autumn field
remember, deadlock has [3] topless ladies now
vivid nimbus
isn't it she can't speak and the guy can't understand her so she cries and dies ...
Her love rejects her yes, then she dies of sorrow and dissolves into sea foam, but then gets saved by angels and told she can enter heaven if the little boys and girls of the world are good and obey parents wishes
warped ridge
Her love rejects her yes, then she dies of sorrow and dissolves into sea foam, b...
damn, guess she didn't go to heaven then
all because little timmy stole a cookie from the cookie jar
warm sonnet
All according to plan 😈
vivid nimbus
it just now occurred to me that the original risk of rain had an incredibly blat...
Aghs for Deadlock would be pretty funny too, considering what already exists as ults
warped ridge
remember, deadlock has [3] topless ladies now
I mean Mina is the top so I would say at minimum 4
but idk she could probably land a top if she wants
warped ridge
Aghs for Deadlock would be pretty funny too, considering what already exists as ...
we need chernobog but in deadlock
just a dude that goes into and comes out of walls
and can like, re-appear from another wall like a scooby doo movie monster
vivid nimbus
Oh LoL has one of those too (Kayn/Rhaast)
warped ridge
ye
I got Kayn m7 day one and after that I didn't do shadow or rhast transform for like 2 weeks cause people didn't know how to fight him yet
had to make it easier for the people
vivid nimbus
Kinda hard with 3D environments though
So I'm satisfied with tunnels and portal-doors existing
rich grove
Aghs for Deadlock would be pretty funny too, considering what already exists as ...
is scepter the one that's ult only
I don't dote personally
warm sonnet
They should add John Freeman
autumn field
I mean Mina *is* the top so I would say at minimum 4
vyper, silver, ivy...
rich grove
either scepter or shard could be pretty cool
warm sonnet
Agh's scepter used to be Ult only afaik
rich grove
but I would broadly prefer non ult-related stuff for personal reasons
vivid nimbus
is scepter the one that's ult only
Oh right I forgot it's not just an ult upgrade, it varies
stable forum
dota aghs was soo good they made a sequel apparently???
warm sonnet
They should add John Freeman
vivid nimbus
Ahh I found the source of the confusion. Agh's Scepter in Dota 1 is always an ult ability, Agh's Shard/Scepter/Blessing in Dota 2 varies per hero
rich grove
i genuinely do not know off handedly what makes shard and scepter different beyond muni
maybe just philosophical differences in "what is too big of a change for a shard"
stable forum
Ahh I found the source of the confusion. Agh's Scepter in Dota 1 is always an ul...
aghs used to be ult only in dota 2 too
fairly confident
would've been uhhh
...7 years ago?
vivid nimbus
i genuinely do not know off handedly what makes shard and scepter different beyo...
It looks like Shard and Scepter have different ability upgrades
Some heroes get bonuses to multiple abilities, some get new abilities entirely
Amusingly, Clockwerk has one ability that's granted by shard and upgraded by scepter (jeptack), and one ability that's granted by scepter and upgraded by shard (overclocking) Belay that I just didn't know how Overclocking works
bleak thicket
shard is a smaller upgrade
sceptre is a bigger upgrade and takes a slot
blessing is sceptre but doesnt take a slot
frail jasper
that's correct. It originally was just scepter and upgrading your ult, but over the years shard was introduced and scepter upgrades changed. Depending on the character shard may be way more impactful than scepter.
twilit roost
my rank decayed to where I can't play supports, was about to tear my hair out playing paige. Next game had to go victor
and a goated ivy teammate
vivid nimbus
As in if you play support you feel like you can't trust your lane partner?
twilit roost
Or the team in general, just need to play carries for a bit until teammates get better.
frail jasper
Down in the low ranks, you can support your little heart out but you can't trust your team to not lose the game for you. It's nice when they don't but if you aren't carrying them yourself then your odds of one of them doing it for you aren't great.
mild flume
I guess skill shown depends a bit on rank, mine is dogshit lmao, but I know Mina is considered to be a pretty high skill cap character
warped ridge
oh I don't doubt she's high skill cap
she has double dash
a float
and some other stuff I'm not remembering
frail jasper
The float is super cheesy if your movement tech is real good.
warped ridge
it's okay I played PVP Tarkov, I can deal with it
frail jasper
Buy Superior Stamina and now you actually just never touch the ground
upbeat perch
ok booted deadlock up again
mercurial magnum on wraith is as funny as it had been last time i played
granted, last time i played it was a different item that grants the imbued skill cause instant reload
finite patrol
yeah haha
mild flume
qsr is so good
finite patrol
I don't like playing gun without either qsr or active reload
autumn field
I wonder which other Patrons there are
Also I love how Deadlock is like, possibly the most complete game ever despite being a “beta” / playtest
vivid nimbus
Well, that was a game. Team had 3 deaths
Killstreaks across the whole top for most of it
Was kinda surreal
vivid nimbus
I hadn't tried him yet, but he looked pretty straightforward
edgy fog
It's my lack of skill too but part of it is that he needs to hit melee to increase his health and stay alive.
frail jasper
Gotta practice your quick melee mind games
edgy fog
Like, simple mechanic I'm having trouble pulling off in games yeah
frail jasper
Also the 2-1-3-1
Charge slam blasted slam. If you're in people's heads you can weave a light melee or two in there, but they can parry so you gotta bait the parry out before you start mercilessly bonking them
frail jasper
The real tip: when you start a new game and get to lane, walk at them but DON'T MELEE. What you do is observe what their conditioning is regarding parries.
See if they do it early or try to wait it out, or if you can fake them into it. Then you use this to mindgame them all during lane
merry verge
Billy, Drifter, Abrams.. who else just activates peoples 'ohgodmelee' instincts, the walk 'em down works so often
warm sonnet
Calico
merry verge
Ohh, yeah yeah. I don't calico enough.. never sure what to do when the full combo gets tanked
final osprey
You do your combo and then leave pretty much
merry verge
And once folks start taking that and the double-up i get lost
agile void
glass flicker
I think the new patron designs are sick, but I admit I’ll really miss the sphere guys. It was a really unique look
warm sonnet
Yeah
Keep some facets of the jar boys in the new design would have been neat
But I reckon the guardians and walkers will have their bespoke patrons look soon enough
warped ridge
I love brawl
means if I get griefing teammates who do it cause they're bad I don't have to be stuck with them for 40 min cause enemy team is too lazy to end
finite patrol
yeah brawl is great
warped ridge
I'd wish they'd remove the option traps tho
but tbf I think they exist cause they aren't actually option traps and more just good for hyper specific situations that require specific sets of characters
like that one item that gives you regen out of combat but takes like 12-14 seconds
or trophy collector
finite patrol
the game keeps trying to give me veilwalker lol
yeah it probably needs its own adjusted item set
warped ridge
Idk
finite patrol
but I think they wanted to get a quick play mode out there
so its a little undercooked
still fun
warped ridge
I feel like it probably shouldn't be adjusted because it gives better item experience for the maingame, but I also know they did it anyways by doing the weird brawl-only items
best part is it probably helps people learn how to approach teamfight situations better
won't save some people like the mina I just saw who kept trying to 1v4 and blow her escapes to engage
does suck tho cause like, if you get any of the new people with mega harass they can really dumpster the lane before you get much of a chance
But Idek what to do against that in normal lanes tbf
finite patrol
the cover in lane is pretty darn good. you can usually survive a bad lane for quite a while by playing defensive, using cover, and buying extra regen
stable forum
the game keeps trying to give me veilwalker lol
veilwalker's okay
there are veils around, just a few less
Veilwalker also has good stats
finite patrol
its a lot worse than regular mode since one of the big benefits is for roaming
Definitely not as bad as trophy collector
twilit roost
Main thing for streetbrawl i want adjusted is the ults, shouldn't get them back every round
final osprey
Trophy is like 16% ability range with some health and movement if your in a very lethal game. It's also green investment which sometimes you need desperatly
Like it's not usually the best option, but I think for some characters it is useful
warped ridge
could also make death timers 1 min minimum instead of 20 seconds
supports pokers above all other types of characters because deaths mean relatively nothing
granite heath
lmao dota 2 was in beta for a comedic amount of time
According to the game's directory, it still is.
warped ridge
good news I like brawl
bad news
I'm getting mmrd
and either fighting stacks
or being expected to play with people who don't wanna combo abilities
vestal hearth
Does Deadlock have headshots?
final osprey
yes, it also has items that improve headshots or proc off of them
warped ridge
it has vindicta
final osprey
Infernus also gets his afterburn faster off of headshots
Vindicta has a sniper ult with multiple charges and doesnt require headshots
vestal hearth
Yes, but I can't headshot for shit. But I've never aimed with mouse and keyboard, so I might be better.
final osprey
You don't need to hit headshots to do well. I do just fine and mostly hit body shots unless someone is stunned
Also some characters have much bigger heads than others. Like Seven has a real wide head, mo and krills heads both count and Mo's is pretty big
vestal hearth
I see.
warped ridge
dynamo can counter splitgate's ult with his own?
where's the report button?
nvm found it
hopefully devs mute chat abuse but we'll see
Idk why the devs think I have any clue how good items are
I just know trophy collector is bad
and that other item that gives you regen out of combat but takes like 12 seconds or w/e
final osprey
Fortitude is not that bad, you can use it so that you can use time you need to heal farming instead of in base.
rich grove
somber creek
warped ridge
rip me
another game against a team that does ult combos
maybe one day I'll get randos that do it
oof mmr really not liking me right now
that or street brawl doesn't have any
2 people on my team admitted to not playing in ages
then the mcginnis decided to w key and punch more than I was and I was afk W-ing
buoyant plank
https://bsky.app/profile/goolee.bsky.social/post/3md7kknfyfk2k
Full of beer and cigarettes you mean :v
vivid nimbus
Beer and whimsy are not mutually exclusive fillings
warped ridge
I need a build that makes other players d/c
how do you do punch build?
I wish I had good item info
people seem to keep giving various answers when I look it up
warped ridge
ahh my mmr is finally adjusted
getting more people being toxic in chat again
was wondering where it went
autumn field
The thing is, if you go off vibes alone you’re probably decently correct
It’s sent to like, every player
And they can compare win rates and another stats internally
Players are horrifically good at telling if something is unbalanced, but horrifically bad at telling why
rich grove
they're not even good at the first thing
warped ridge
they're not
there's a couple of heroes that prob would get buffed or nerfed if players knew what was unbalanced
vivid nimbus
It's really funny when I was getting these in my first 5-10 hours and being like "I didn't even know that item existed"
frail jasper
The other survey question is worth mentioning: "how fun is it to play against X" which is just a vibe check. And if you're a responsible voter without strong opinion either way just pick 3, or skip if you really have no stance on the thing due to not knowing enough
warped ridge
I skip for the most part
the devs are absolutely horrible at onboarding insofar as wtf items are
I still have 0 clue what 99% of items do
all I know is it's green, purple, or orange
I can guess whether or not an item will be useful but most feel like a choice to trap new players when raw stats are just nice
merry verge
I think the only hero i really downvote is Gray Talon
warped ridge
considering he makes vindicta virtually pointless yeah
why would you play vindicta if you have someone that does what she does, better
of course the answer will always be "cause vindicta is cooler"
frail jasper
I can't really relate to that, I guess. Unhelpful to say that the items make sense after having already learned what they do.
warped ridge
I can't really relate to that, I guess. Unhelpful to say that the items make sen...
my guess is I'm just treating it like most mobas
vivid nimbus
IDK what Talon's 1-3 do, I just know bow and bird
warped ridge
and deadlock doesn't do things like mana or energy and has the aim stuff but the aim stuff feels intentionally obfuscated because it would feel weird if they did armor and headshot multipliers and recoil and yadayadayada
there's also the active item counterbuy which makes heroes feel scope crept which I feel is probably intentional but comes across really badly
vivid nimbus
Okay 1 and 2 are also bow
frail jasper
It's not armor but there's precedent for characters having different base stats (pocket has -15% spirit resist, seven takes less headshot damage multiplier).
frail jasper
Active items are super good but
- you (or your team) have to know to buy them
- you have to know when to use them
- cooldowns are long :(
So they offer a way to counter certain heroes or situations but not 100% of the time. Curse beats anyone, but only for about 5 seconds and if you can't kill them in that time, well... or worse, they have and know how to use Counterspell which adds another layer of complexity because you have to bait their counterspell before using curse, etc
autumn field
they're not even good at the first thing
I’m pretty sure I read that from some game devs
warped ridge
Active items are super good but
- you (or your team) have to know to buy them
- ...
yeah but they do absolutely dumpster certain ults for virtually little cost
autumn field
I can’t remember it, but like
frail jasper
Knockdown makes lots of enemies very sad (vindicta, Talon, seven, bebop, lash, the list goes on) but if those players are smart then they buy Debuff Remover which counters the knockdown
There IS back and forth counterplay but you won't always see it because people can be pretty bad and unaware in this game
autumn field
Something about complaining about balance between two functionally identical guns because the audio design was just too different and it resulted in different win rates
Which the players didn’t know was because of audio design
Devs made the audio punchier iirc and it fixed the issue
warped ridge
depends on the game
most fps games yeah no difference
but if you said tarkov I would be like "no the devs are wrong here"
but that's cause tarkov audio is super specific and kinda bs
frail jasper
Like if you're big crazy ult build Seven and don't want to get entirely stuffed by a 3200 cost item, you need to buy the items that make it so you don't get stuffed (debuff remover, unstoppable)
But then maybe the other team buys TWO knockdowns and staggered them to outplay your counter
warped ridge
yeah I think I'm just frustrated cause like
league or smite
heroes with longer ults usually have some form of CC on another ability so they get to actually use their ult
and in deadlock, usually if a character has an ult that's longer, Haze, Seven, etc, they have little hard CC ontop of being able to be countered by a cheap item buy
meanwhile other chars like Paige has hard cc, a knockup on her ult, and it's a fire and forget ult and it's like "rip me for trying to exist in lane"
Haze at least isn't like
Kallari Paragon bad
because Haze at least you can just completely ignore her god awful ult and just do dagger + punch + shoot
just feels weird cause it's like, lemme replace the ult with anything more useful, hell a steroid would be nice
frail jasper
I don't know league or smite, my familiarity is in dota. But I don't think i share many of these opinions because I see them used differently than I think you expect them to be used
warped ridge
how so?
The only way I've had success with haze ult recently is purely as a defensive tool because using it offensive means 2 enemies can stand close together and suddenly the dmg output gets reduced
early when I played deadlock her ult felt fine but that was still people just running away from it
vivid nimbus
and in deadlock, usually if a character has an ult that's longer, Haze, Seven, e...
Also TBF, Knockdown's delay means if they're doing it on reaction to your ult you get your 2 secs of ult that way
Instead of having a 2 sec CC button
frail jasper
Haze ult is actually worse vs multiple enemies iirc, so I see it get used as a hyper gank tool. Cloak, run up on someone unsuspecting, dagger, ult, they die without chance to retaliate
warped ridge
see I use it
run up on someone
dagger
ult
they suddenly smash w/e escape they have
and freely get away cause I don't get to stick ontop of them
because dagger stun is canceled as soon as you deal more damage to them
so
vivid nimbus
Ah you mean like warp stone or w/e?
warped ridge
maybe, does it actually stick to them specifically or is it an aim item?
cause aim item means it's probably counterpick choice but feels gross with the exception it's at least cheap
vivid nimbus
Warp stone is an aimed teleport, the other green teleport item is hero-targeted
frail jasper
I don't have much specific to say to help with that.
- pick more vulnerable targets
- buy a silence tool like focus lens or silence wave, or even slowing hex if they're using movement tools/ spells to escape
warped ridge
yeah that's kinda my exact problem
frail jasper
Or if you yourself have warp stone you can use it mid ult to reposition and "chase" them
warped ridge
other chars don't have to do that because their ult is just dumbfire
older chars usually don't bother me as much but I'm seeing the usual scope-creep trend with newer heroes
like gray talon atleast has to stand in place while ulting
it's also annoying cause like
other microisms I'm just like "wow this is dumb"
like why can't I use certain abilities to just ignore walls and go through them
like sure I get it design wise but it feels clunky
honestly the active item choice is fine tho
does annoy me I have to be super granular about it and there's no central resource hub about these sorts of things
"this char has an escape, if you need to chase, consider buying these items"
but tbf I also get it cause game isn't out yet
and they might suddenly decide air dashing shouldn't exist or w/e
granted still need to figure out how non-active items work
and why I would take one and what it does
frail jasper
There could certainly be better readability on a lot of things. I think in terms of "this char has an escape, if you need to chase, consider buying these items" that's more just learning curve though: you get your ankles broken by something you didn't expect so you go figure out what punishes that thing and now you're better at the game
warped ridge
Sure....if it's obvious why you got your ankles broken
like if you get hit by an ability and you have an dodge, that should be plainly obvious
items aren't tho
well, I guess it is if you like
replay the situation
look at every item in the game
then decide an item might work, and somehow test it yourself (I don't think it's possible by yourself?) or go ask about it
that might just be what I'm missing
frail jasper
"Go figure out" does include just asking other people for advice though. Other people have had to learn the same things and you can talk to people or go watch videos or search discord channel history and do some sleuthing
You don't need to literally go memorize every item function and figure out how to anticipate everything
warped ridge
maybe not but it def feels like it, but again I'm comparing to like, league and smite where I had to do barely any research on anything past just standard build stuff, or jg pathing for jg
frail jasper
then decide an item might work, and somehow test it yourself (I don't think it's...
You can do self testing in the sandbox, depending on what you're testing it might be a bit clunky but it does work
warped ridge
also I know the visual clutter is rly bad in teamfights which is unfortunate
took me like 20+ games recently to figure out what alchemic flask does
cause I thought it was an ability that kept hitting me
frail jasper
It's better than marvel rivals by leagues
warped ridge
def
frail jasper
I think it's fairly good overall
The clutter
Cuz everything is fairly distinct once you know what to associate it with
frail jasper
Are you color blind?
warped ridge
this game makes me feel like it but I don't think so
this does remind me I need to lookup movement guides and quit walking everywhere
I feel like there's like kbd tech in this game but I'm not using it
frail jasper
Well probably go figure that out at least. But I mean just like associating things over time. Like now you know what alchemist fire looks like and does, so you can recognize how to play around it
warped ridge
what's the vine thing that looks like alchemist flask?
frail jasper
I feel like there's like kbd tech in this game but I'm not using it
There is and you're almost certainly not using it if you're still having these kinds of issues
warped ridge
I see it occasionally and I can't tell if it's a geist ability
frail jasper
what's the vine thing that looks like alchemist flask?
Probably Ivy's Kudzu Bomb (1 ability). Geist's 1 also has a greenish lingering circle if it's max rank
warped ridge
wait only when it's max rank?
frail jasper
If it's Geist, yes. If it's not max rank then it only explodes, if it is max rank then it explodes and leaves a DOT circle for a while
warped ridge
Ahh
also does Gray Talon have a bird non-ult ability?
I think it's paige usually but I feel like he does
frail jasper
also does Gray Talon have a bird non-ult ability?
Talon does not. His spells are
- single big arrow
- trap snare circle that disables you
- big jump, hover, multi arrow fan
- guided owl ICBM that gives +5 spirit power each time it kills someone
warped ridge
he has a trap snare wut
frail jasper
Paige's 1 throws a dragon which sprays a big rectangle of fire DOT
warped ridge
oh it's a dragon? I thought it was a birb
frail jasper
I recommend going into the sandbox and just testing out each character, at least so you have a basic idea of what their spells do. You don't gotta memorize the details of each level but knowing the general idea just makes you aware of what you might be up against.
I don't expect you to go look at viscous and intuit the ridiculous Goovement Tech you can do with puddle punch, but just knowing it's a disjointed melee attack + push means you'll be less blindsided by that threat later
warped ridge
why is it disjointed? 😭
I'm trying to quit playing tarkov because I want to deal with less backend jank, not the same amount
frail jasper
Cuz this is a valve game, with dota style balance not league/ smite style balance. They play by Syndrome rules: if everything is OP and ridiculous, then nothing is OP and ridiculous
warped ridge
I would like that if all chars were actually OP
inb4 I find out vindicta is like, disabled
frail jasper
It's not a perfect arrangement but the idea is there
warped ridge
and not that she's just so awful no one plays her in my recent 40 or so games
frail jasper
IDK, you might just be surrounded by other matchmaking players that don't know how to use her well
warped ridge
you know I haven't seen calico either hmm
frail jasper
Quite literally a skill issue
warped ridge
IDK, you might just be surrounded by other matchmaking players that don't know h...
I mean yes, my mmr is adjusted back to where it was and starting to get people toxic in chat again
I would have suspected the newbie mmr would have had someone playing vindicta though
frail jasper
If the new players play vindicta, you can usually see them walking around barefoot and dying without getting anything done
warped ridge
I wish I had bans
I want them to add bans
I need more variety
oop wait
one of my early matches had vindicta
game updated again, time to go next
I'm 52 matches behind
I'ma play vindicta
only issue if they add bans
Idk if I'd want to ban bebop, paige, or pocket
probably bebop or paige
I haven't run into any hyper sweats on pocket recently thank catgods
vivid nimbus
I think bans would get funky with how hero queuing works
somber creek
I need the patch notes I NEED to know if holiday isn't trash anymore
vivid nimbus
Especially with 6-stacks not worrying about repeats
warped ridge
I need the patch notes I NEED to know if holiday isn't trash anymore
simply accept that heroes you like are always trash like I do
frail jasper
There's already custom infrastructure for bans they use for tournament stuff i think. I would not be surprised if there was some matchmaking queue that had a ban phase later in development. The current priority queue matchmaking doesn't work well with bans though
warped ridge
inescapable mid tier at best
rich grove
yeah I suspect the cast just isn't big enough yet
frail jasper
Holiday isn't trash and hasn't been for a while, you still fly around bombing everything
somber creek
It's also because we aren't playing a finished game
rich grove
that too lol
somber creek
so they want to have people playing as many champs as possible
vivid nimbus
Also remember that unless you're at the top end, your own strength with a character matters more than the character's strength themselves
So you need to ask yourself, are YOU trash with Holliday
(If you do care about tier lists, they have her at mid, not trash)
warped ridge
Tech I play tarkov, of course I'm trash at this game
frail jasper
If you don't know how to air strafe, or don't know the bomb melee trick, you're gonna have a rough time with holiday
warped ridge
just because I go 9/1 and haze doesn't mean I'm good
it means the enemies are just more trash
vivid nimbus
Actually, is the air strafing like TF2 rocket jump air strafing?
frail jasper
Air strafing is one of those huge game changer personal skills that just makes everything better. All movement tech is like that
vivid nimbus
Because I'm rubbish at that but I do at least know the theory
frail jasper
Yes it is a source game so same concept
warped ridge
I hate jumping in this game
reverse of movement shooters
you jump you can no longer slide at lvl1
frail jasper
I don't understand what you mean
warped ridge
most movement shooters you can jump and then hold crouch to instantly slide when you contact the ground
in this game at level one if you jump you lose velocity or source units or w/e and can no longer slide upon hitting the ground
vivid nimbus
Also wow, Haze and Mina really are super popular, it's not just confirmation bias on my part
twilit roost
haze is the carry dream and mina is mina
vivid nimbus
74% pick rate for Haze, 66% for Mina (Current patch)
somber creek
Just had a haze that went 29/0 in our last match
frail jasper
in this game at level one if you jump you lose velocity or source units or w/e a...
You can slide still but I think you're doing it wrong, or have the wrong expectations. Sliding is based on either current movement speed or if you're on a slope
somber creek
one of two people with kills that game on her team
warped ridge
You can slide still but I think you're doing it wrong, or have the wrong expecta...
are you sure cause when I jump it no longer works
frail jasper
I think there's a definition disconnect because what you describe as "slide" isn't clicking for me
warped ridge
slide, when you run for 2 seconds, and then hit crouch, and then your character slides, and you gain inf ammo
Is it called something else?
inf ammo crouch?
frail jasper
With base movement speed on a flat surface:
- hold W
- jump
- hold CTRL
- land
- you shouldn't slide because you don't have enough velocity
That is normal--
warped ridge
yes
that's my issue
in most movement shooters when you land you slide because you maintain velocity through the air
frail jasper
Right so being able to slide is a property of movement speed. You have SPRINT SPEED (more than base speed) when out of combat, so it's possible to start moving fast enough to then slide. When you jump, you're affected by air resistance and LOSE SPEED
vivid nimbus
I think DL only counts horizontal speed for if you can slide
And it's easy to fall below the threshold while airborne
warped ridge
nah that's paladins
frail jasper
This ain't paladins
frail jasper
Anyway based on this conversation there's just a whole lot of unfamiliarity with the game, the only solution i can offer at this time is telling you to go do your study and practice, watch videos or stuff to improve your fundamentals and just learn what is even in the game
warped ridge
Idk how I got 5
frail jasper
You got 5 by buying Rapid Recharge probably
warped ridge
Idk my game glitched and made me skip an item round 1
my build feels weak outside of spamming 1 cc
upbeat perch
ok yeah DL continues the trend of "izen likes to play the casual mode of a given moba way more than the main mode"
merry verge
What other games have better shooter mobility than this, hwat
Titanfall or like Vanquish maybe
vivid nimbus
I am uncertain on how casual a casual mode street brawl actually is
upbeat perch
league aram, smite arena, dota event modes, hots... aram...
or i guess "arcady modes"
warped ridge
....Tarkov I actually prefer the movement techs, it has worse mobility tho
upbeat perch
it's probably me more liking the skeleton of a moba but not the length and logistics of the "proper" mode
warped ridge
Paladins can be fun but it's more hero dependent
vivid nimbus
SB seems to really reward itemization knowledge, plus the strong characters in it are dominating RN
upbeat perch
granted, i've only been playing solo bots
warped ridge
I am uncertain on how casual a casual mode street brawl actually is
hard to say
I'm def being punished for item knowledge, but on the flipside there's a lot of people who are shit at basic positioning I can kinda make up for it
my main issue is like
almost never having properly balanced teams
upbeat perch
something something closed beta pls understand joke writes itself
warped ridge
I get more games with enemies consistently comboing their ults where every time there's a possibility on my team to do it the person who should initiate never does or just never combos
I have not had a single game where a teammate dynamo has ulted for me when I'm playing seven in the past 40 or so games
infact
merry verge
I get more games with enemies consistently comboing their ults where every time ...
This is why i had to stop playing Emma Rivals (also rogue is more fun)
warped ridge
I've had the enemy dynamo ult for me more than our own dynamo
merry verge
Getting no followup on an ult is infuriating
warped ridge
because he baits his team into MY ult
warped ridge
This is why i had to stop playing Emma Rivals (also rogue is more fun)
I've got no clue
I think I'm just cursed
it's why I hate trio slop games like apex
cause I would always get some asshole toxic lifeline if I was queuing by myself
I had an easier time as a solo player and getting good picks or just harassing than I did queuing trios cause I didn't wanna deal with the non-stop nonsense I ran into
even if every once in awhile I ran into a streamer who wanted me to play with them
but tbf in apex I also like
wasn't trying super hard to w key like the streamers did
cause they just grind daily so I would be a little slower on looting even though I was better at actually playing
and then eventually apex movement techs happened, and they made the game terrible
merry verge
The people that do all the Apex 'techs' are just speedrunning carpal tunnel
warped ridge
I can't blame them
merry verge
I blame people wiggling at Deathboxes
Makes them look like a scared puppy
And like 0% harder to shoot
warped ridge
like, not for nothing but I've now seen streamers actually bleed from the stitching of their mousepad because they stream all the time and don't want to wear a gaming sleeve.
and I was like "huh, I guess streamers really don't wanna work normal jobs" and I get it
merry verge
This is why i'm saying everyone could chill like 10%
warped ridge
I mean for me to be able to like, actually exist proper with these people
I would legit need them to all get clinical depression cause that's what I have and there's 0 chance I can compare between uncurable depression and other health issues, being as ugly as I am, while also working a 9-5
not happening lmao
stable forum
dynamo can counter splitgate's ult with his own?
yes, unless Doorman has Hotel Guest 2, in which case no because Doorman becomes Unstoppable.
I still want to counter Dynamo Ult with Doorman Ult sometime, but I don't play Doorman...
merry verge
Should, he's delightful, and now his 'on fire' portrait can further make your enemies go mad
Grinch having an evil plan lookin ass
rich grove
doorman hittin the
warped ridge
anyone have like, caffeine pills they can spare
I'm worried I won't be able to hit the goal by 22 hours from now
finite patrol
(sesamedi on the hellsite)
warped ridge
considering taking off work tomorrow to farm more votes
vivid nimbus
Don’t burn yourself out on game just for vote farming
Or you won’t be able to enjoy the character when they do come out
mild flume
Yangyexin on hellsite
torn gulch
I am 100% buying into Moonshine propaganda
I am 4 games in and I like beating people over the head with Billy.
I sorta know what I'm doing but I am still falling on the mechanical knowledge gap
twilit roost
His blitzed ability?
frail jasper
Billy's 3 applies the Blasted effect to him and makes him a nasty brawler.
twilit roost
It's pretty funny billy never drinks just smashes it against his head
vestal hearth
...
vestal hearth
Moonshine?
Is that a ship name?
warped ridge
it's an alcohol
vestal hearth
I remembered mid type.
magic summit
It's what people are calling celeste x silver
Since every voice line I've seen for Celeste so far is her being incredibly gay
Also Billy is great for learning the mechanics, he needs a lot of different skills to play maximally
rich grove
he also rewards inting
stable forum
he also rewards inting
...only sort of
Billy usually gets a kill in laning phase due to someone attempting to fistfight the goat.
do not fistfight the goat. He's the GOAT.
(at least when he's Blasted)
magic summit
I love hearing an enemy Billy use blasted in lane
Like I won't know what he's planning to do as I start hearing music from around a corner
Perfectly content to sit at my tower and wait until he's sober
rich grove
...only sort of
i mean he does genuinely less than nothing if he's not actively close to anyone
i don't think it's physically possible for him to contribute anything to the game past the 20m range band unless you just rangemax ult with trophy collector or something
torn gulch
I am currently working on getting parried less and parrying more
magic summit
Also reading the above chat you are right in that sliding only cares about your current speed and slope of the ground
It makes a lot more sense in Deadlock how your speed functions where you must sacrifice positioning or stamina to get more movement and speed, or buying items that just give you more base speed and thus let you slide more
rich grove
the kid named fleetfoot
magic summit
Learning movement in Deadlock has felt better than near any game I've played
warped ridge
it's been fairly mixed for me but I'll admit I'm too used to like shooters lmao
rich grove
Learning movement in Deadlock has felt better than near any game I've played
at some point under 300 hours it just inexplicably makes sense
I feel like a complete lunatic talking about it but it just feels correct
rich grove
GOD
god
I know I shouldn't
I knooooow I should pick a better hero for the average team comp
bbbbbbbuuuuuuutttttt
my mind's telling me noooo
knife curse timed silence such that it hit the mina right as curse wore off
ooooooh.
ooh that player did not enjoy the video game today.
warm sonnet
Yet again, Mina mains forget their Debuff Remover
frail jasper
Speaking of Debuff Remover, you know you're gonna have a rough time when the enemy Vindicta buys that as like her second or third item. It means she knows to be ready for the cheeky Knockdown user and will proceed to live in the sky Assassinating people from orbit.
bleak thicket
introducing
second knockdown user
frail jasper
Yeah that's the workaround, unless you both accidentally do it at the same time and she just clears both at once :(
agile void
introducing
second knockdown user
She pulls out the counterspell
also I just saw this
final osprey
*She pulls out the counterspell*
I'm pretty sure you cant parry during ult which is when people want to be using knock down on Mina
agile void
I'm pretty sure you cant parry during ult which is when people want to be using ...
this is vindicta we were talking about in the example
final osprey
I have become the fool.
buoyant plank
warm sonnet
All that work, and still lose to Rem
buoyant plank
I'm still waiting for deadlock techies
agile void
agile void
uh rem is an actual child
final osprey
That's an assumption. My bet is that REM is somekind of fey who acts child like
agile void
That's an assumption. My bet is that REM is somekind of fey who acts child like
he is doing the ritual because he is lost and doesnt know how to find its family
final osprey
Yeah because he's not in the otherworld. That just makes me believe more that he's a fey.
warped ridge
Where I'd be if I wasn't clinically depressed
torn gulch
The silverheads have tested that the vote counter breaks when reaching triple digits
agile void
warped ridge
yeah once it hits 100 it just displays ...
agile void
yeah once it hits 100 it just displays ...
which should be expected considering how someone did like 200 matches in the last hero vote
warped ridge
If I was a better human being I prob could, I got no excuse lmao
Unfortunately fell asleep + storm + no caffeine + depression + I eat too much food so I literally could only get half done
finite patrol
Billy doesn't actually have principles
he would side with archmother just to be contrary
agile void
yeah but I mean the anarchist going to the Law faction
lavish grove
I know it’ll be Rem and Graves next but I am really excited for whenever Silver and Venator are out
They’re the ones I’m voting for
agile void
celeste I feel will be a wrench in there
warped ridge
If we all voted split then icefrog would be forced to add them all in, just as Kojima would want.
Unfortunately we are all too bloodthirsty for war of old new york
lavish grove
celeste I feel will be a wrench in there
Celeste I don’t actually know about because like, she’s the least favored for me and my friend group
But like, I do imagine she’ll be popular overall
finite patrol
I havent really heard anyone excited about Celeste or Apollo (except one or two people) on social media or in game
autumn field
So I saw some leaks
And damn they calling Apollo Yasuo 2
Also apparently he’s really close range, which is cool
It’s all on the forums
lavish grove
I am curious how they’ll do his main gun tbh
Because like
He’s just got the sword
He’s got a free hand but it looks like it’s always behind his back anyway
autumn field
His gun is apparently literally a sword
But it has extended range and ammo
So he’s deadlock’s true melee I guess
lavish grove
Huh cool
I wonder how he’ll interact with the long range items
Like if they’ll be relative to his range or fixed
buoyant plank
anyone happen to have that clip showing the new rem vents? I saw it earlier somewhere and just can't find it again, and discord search is not helping
autumn field
.
final osprey
yeah but I mean the anarchist going to the Law faction
He's not an anarchist, he's a big poser. He's one of the few character that explicitly pay taxes.
stable forum
i don't think it's physically possible for him to contribute anything to the gam...
this is just not true but also I buy magic carpet every game with the goat
(30 minute game)
oh you mean 20 meters
not 20 minutes
yeah that's fair, but I buy magic carpet every game so I can just get directly on people
stable forum
at some point under 300 hours it just inexplicably makes sense
i have a thousand hours
I still hate the W thing.
finite patrol
Billy seems like one of the stronger heroes in the game rn
finite patrol
its not weird he is impossible to fight close up and he has wild amounts of sustain from blasted. his 3 other skills are also just really strong and disruptive. nothing weird about that
edgy fog
I want to play some regular games and not just bot games but I worry I'm just gonna suck
stable forum
matchmaking is decent, you should be fine? people can be toxic though; I often mute chat.
warped ridge
I die way less to Billy than the other melee people
But that might just be skill issue on the Billy part
finite patrol
Billy is definitely not as easy to play as Abrams
stable forum
its not weird he is impossible to fight close up and he has wild amounts of sust...
Blasted isn't that much Sustain, it's more the fact that he has eight years of movement lockout. And, yeah, he basically just wins up close, and in Deadlock you can pick engagements pretty well generally.
here, more 'why you should buy Magic Carpet on Billy'
warped ridge
Is Lash and Shiv easy to play? They seem easy to play
finite patrol
I would say both of them are on the more difficult side
stable forum
Shiv is... not easy exactly, but he's strong as long as you can hit your knives
Lash is probably harder but to be honest I recommend everyone learn Lash because of how he encourages learning movement.
finite patrol
shiv if you miss knives vs shiv if you hit knives is coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb
stable forum
yeahh
Shiv is never weak basically
because if he ever hits you with all the knives you just kinda die.
each consecutive knife adds more damage
warped ridge
Yeah I die more to them than Billy
stable forum
like even if shiv is 10k behind or whatever, he can still Just Kill You if he hits all the knives.
warped ridge
Abrhams almost never unless Abrhams is actually smart but most aren't
finite patrol
knives are also pretty crucial for rage buildup
I wouldn't describe shiv as a melee hero though
stable forum
yeah, that's also true. The rage mechanic makes him a bit harder to play.
he's close quarters and encouraged to punch due to the rage mechanic, but not exactly melee
...Lash isn't exactly melee either, but I also hold q on lash a lot actually
people don't pay attention to me and holding q is a good way to get them to pay attention
finite patrol
oh boy I had a lash who heavy melee me after every ground slam and unless the slam killed me I parried and killed him every time
it was great
warped ridge
But consider
Can crouch spam for emotional damage
(Don't do this, Idk if valve is actually doing their job or not for toxicity lmao)
autumn field
Silver in like 4 hours
winged terrace
Silver in like 4 hours
Is it confirmed to be silver?
finite patrol
Nothing is confirmed we are all just guessing
winged terrace
I feel like it’s gonna be rem
finite patrol
Its going to be either Silver or Rem first
autumn field
Isn’t it two heroes at a time or something
agile void
its not weird he is impossible to fight close up and he has wild amounts of sust...
he is a coinflip
because once you realize that he only light melees up close, you kind of need to be far away of him to win since he needs someone to punch to get the extra health and ammo
also Im going to be honesy
I see people being fucking scared or not noticing there is a parry button
or see a team with Abrams/billy/viscous and they dont buy rebuttal first item
stable forum
its usually better to flog
flog is a free action, you can do other things while doing it
final osprey
I've already given her like 50 votes or something
In pretty sure that Graves is like last year's of American highschool or something?
Whilst Victor is closer in age to Mina who's graduated from the school graves is currently at iirc?
But I might be mixing up graves and Apollo lore
autumn field
% chance that Paige is feral over silver
merry verge
I've mostly seen her get all flirty with Viktor
autumn field
Yeah she’s kinda into all the hot guys tho lmao
warm sonnet
While she doesn't have any conversations with Mirage or Shiv, she has THE HOTS for Mirage
merry verge
I.. don't see enough people playing Mirage to have heard that lmao
warm sonnet
There's only one allied Mirage voice line that betrays her affections
But damn she is sad about killing the him
merry verge
Paige is the most CompHet through fiction of all characters ever
This is not biased based on Bookbat arts or anything
though do think it's most fun for her to go for all the like Classic Literature Archtype folks
stable forum
because valve didn't push patchnotes for the update i think this has gone largely unnoticed
stable forum
Lightning Scroll no longer has the 'does not work on charged abilities' clause
merry verge
Oh, terror
vivid nimbus
Was there anyone besides Vin who has a charged ult?
astral lava
In pretty sure that Graves is like last year's of American highschool or somethi...
Theyre both high school yeah
rich grove
Was there anyone besides Vin who has a charged ult?
nope, it was infamous for just being "vindicta does not get to buy this item"
I don't know what her state is now that Grillmaster got put in the ground but I don't know if I want "I buy rapid recharge and lightning scroll and then have hitscan kd that does 500" to be a play pattern
we'll see though
vivid nimbus
Conspiracy-theorizing: One of the new 6 has a charged ult and this made them look at the item again
autumn field
its rem!
warped ridge
Ye
warped ridge
I'm okay with this cause Rem was my 2nd choice
autumn field
anyone who can, can ya post rem's abilities
vivid nimbus
Rem was my #4 choice but I can't be mad at such a cute little guy
autumn field
silver next then, i guess
granite heath
Venator?
winged terrace
REM
granite heath
I've been splitting my votes between Venator and Celeste, which I'm sure is bad for actual winning but has been fun nonetheless.
twilit roost
anyone who can, can ya post rem's abilities
bleak thicket
those are such jenny abilities omg
magic summit
The helpers are interesting
twilit roost
I can confirm the helper gets you the bonus stats from the sinners sacrifice
you can get up to 4 so you might be able to run through enemy jungle and steal most of them
somber creek
Especially since he can use the vents
twilit roost
matchmaking broke fyi
warped ridge
they're trying to prevent people from voting already 🙄
upbeat perch
joke about voter suppression ensues
torn gulch
Oh, stupid little chungus rat won.
short quiver
2 days a week
agile void
THE REMLINGS CAN FARM SINNERS
upbeat perch
that's not too infrequent tbf
upbeat perch
i like creatures
vivid nimbus
Ah and pillow toss is the charge ability
agile void
pillow toss also lowers cooldown, doesnt it?
its a toss up between pillow or helpers you want to max out first
twilit roost
Not sure if its just because of testing range weirdness, but a trooper with on of rems minions will not die to tower
vivid nimbus
its a toss up between pillow or helpers you want to max out first
I suspect one point in pillow early and then helpers
upbeat perch
inb4 paige still has the new hero tag
bleak thicket
why is billy red tho???
bleak thicket
oh so red is just they disabled him
and billy got disabled too cause something else probably broke
oh billy chaining someone with a rem attached maybe broke the game real bad?
bleak thicket
AWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
torn gulch
They took my goat too...disastrous
bleak thicket
billy finally cancelled for his twitter posts
vivid nimbus
Billy being investigated by the FBI
edgy fog
hello hello
torn gulch
Is queue broke rn?
edgy fog
certainly is for me
torn gulch
goes to like, 3 or 5 minutes, didn't check exactly, and throws me out
edgy fog
Also, the helpers will flawlessly do a sinner's machine for you. Plus hitting the jackpot. So. Powerful.
torn gulch
And I can notice that hideout is like, laggy
mild flume
Yeah she’s kinda into all the hot guys tho lmao
Paige will def be also feral for Apollo
The forgotten new char haha
edgy fog
I played a fun game as Paige a while back and I just kept a paradox alive and murdering everyone
I even said "Go my Paradox" in chat and they hearted me
vivid nimbus
Also, the helpers will flawlessly do a sinner's machine for you. Plus hitting th...
I think the most powerful part of this is you can fire and forget it, just shoot a helper there and run off
Which makes it great for stealing enemy team sinners, especially doubles
(You can also target doubles through the skylights)
edgy fog
Yeah! Rem's going to be a bane of any roaming junglers
imagine you're got damn drifter and you're being toyed with by a little imp skittering around the place running through the walls
edgy fog
in game or
torn gulch
torn gulch
in game or
ummm
finite patrol
merry verge
Am I wrong in assuming a lotta Rem votes probably wont wanna play them
Deffo got Cutie'd to the forefront
magic summit
He's going to be like Doorman
edgy fog
Oh yeah, specially as he's a support