Deadlock

[warped ridge]

Yeah makes sense

[agile void]

actually it has been a year since the restricted matchmaking was a thing

no wonder people dont remember that period

[warped ridge]

I barely remember it but that's cause that's literally about the time I last played

[agile void]

actually let me check statlocker

there is kind of a lead

but i think this also categorizes based on the data given by the game

[somber creek]

Oh wait, I thought that was fakke

I do also think "this is a problem!" ignores that there's no way to opt OUT of ranked

so like the vast majority of people who don't care about ranked are gonna tilt the whole bell curve further left

[twilit roost]

I think its just outdated, says last week and is from closer to the update

[agile void]

it is checking every match that happens, then marks the "match" by how each team is qualified by the game

I can confirm that I have been thrown into seeker/initiate matches way more this patch than before, before it was weird if I was thrown outside a rank above or below what I had

[warped ridge]

It says the game we were in was alchemist but Idk how it came up with that ranking

[agile void]

pretty sure it does something akin to getting the middle point between all the players

[agile void]

like having an eternus at your side will weight the team to be higher rank than it should

[warped ridge]

Middle point from the game or what it ranks cause from the game sure but from it's own calculation this implies it should be lower

[agile void]

tbh the page ranks dont really "count"

because that weights in way more data, while deadlock only weights in if you win or lose

[warped ridge]

So how is the march distribution by rank calculated?

From the game itself?

[agile void]

the ranks of each individual player are "invented" in statlocker, they dont have a real way to know your ingame rank

I was marked as a arcanist for a while when the game itself marked me as a ritualist until recently

let me find something, I remember seeing the devs of the site also talking in reddit

found it

https://www.reddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1nif659/comment/neiw5fo/

[warped ridge]

So back to Winged's point, where is the match distribution data coming from?

[agile void]

I imagine it has to be coming directly from the game.

[warped ridge]

Then if they have a bunch of people who never touched rank and only played non-ranked before they merged, wouldn't it shove those people to 0s if they couldn't have a null value?

[agile void]

that is what I imagine its happening, either they never played so they are markes as null by the game

or they hadnt played for so long they are rank 0 by the games eyes

[warped ridge]

Then yeah I wouldn't consider that outlier as a signifier for bad MM

If you want to talk about bad MM you'd need the hard numbers for how the MM operates and why

Which like, for Dead By Daylight, where if people view kills as wins, even though the game itself probably doesn't do it that way for MMR, cause you get pips for all 4 categories, then you can go, "it over inflates killers for not getting kills despite kills being the result of win/lose"

[agile void]

I do think maybe by this month or so they may do rank adjustments, since this is a pretty big sample of data they can investigate and see how mm is working or where it is falling appart

[warped ridge]

I mean I can see concerns over the hero-specific MM weight

But outside of that not sure MMR is actually bad with the exception if they have no real rank reset/decay to account for inactivity, which again, game isn't released yet

[agile void]

the complain I have seen is that the rank is not updated fast enough

if you win consecutively, you are still not moving from that rank despite being overqualified

[warped ridge]

I could see that if it's not updated after match but is that confirmed

Because if their MMR isn't treated by raw numbers goal and more treated by taking ELO like chess or something then that changes how ranking would occur

[agile void]

word of mouth

at that point we are dealing with imaginary numbers

[warped ridge]

Yeah then Winged has a point

[agile void]

yeah, I wasnt saying that winged didnt had a point

I was mostly adding context to everything to attempt giving a clearer picture

[warped ridge]

Yeh wasn't saying you weren't to be clear, just trying to understand what the YouTuber is pointing at with the thumbnails

Like I know Mecha Break has some scuffed MM because of them including bots in their MM

But largely that's not MM, that's bots

That poor OP tho cause woof statlock is causing shade cause it doesn't match the in-game rank

They should do away with the ranks and just have it be numbers

[agile void]

I mean I already got shit talked for not having a positive WR ingame when they checked statlocker

just didnt saw it worth talking about it, as it only happened once

[warped ridge]

At that point yeah just report and next

Like I got salt in DB squadra for like 6 games in a row cause I kept getting teammates who fed but then finally realized they were bots when I noticed reoccurring patterns in everything they did

Not once did I be toxic in game, I just focused on playing better

I think only time I had someone be toxic towards me in Deadlock so far was an enemy Pocket who kept complaining that I wouldn't die

Mind you I was playing Yamato and we both went like 12/2 or something

Outside of that people complained about Haze but weren't being toxic

[agile void]

I saw people being toxic about bebop but at that point his character archetype just makes people angry

[warped ridge]

I mean

[agile void]

pretty sure slurs have been thrown at roadhog/pudge/blitzcrank

[warped ridge]

I don't agree with being toxic but yeah

When I played OW comp I wanted Roadhog banned/nerfed

Every time I play Deadlock I'm like, "if we ever get banning I'm voting bebop for now"

Bebop is so much more painful than blitzcrank to fight

Like getting a kamehameha ult is bonkers

[ivory reef]

Oh I didn't know that graph was real and just from last week

That is definitely context I didn't have

The current graph is way more. I dunno, normal

Thanks for the heads up jaacker

[warped ridge]

Yeh these are good things to know

[agile void]

Like I said, I understand you feeling sketchy about these things but there is some stuff pointing out that it may not be just gut feeling. now wheter this is a real problem or not, that remains to be seen

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1nj74h0/drifter_are_my_spirit_animal/

[finite patrol]

They blame my jar of souls for the strange, unnatural, even horrible things that have been happening in the cursed apple

[agile void]

honestly I see the jar as a Janitor

[magic summit]

Seeing people in deadlock blame matchmaking for their losses just makes me have flashbacks to the "forced 50/50" people from Overwatch nearly a decade ago

[warped ridge]

Forced 50/50?

[agile void]

I have seen people go like that

[ivory reef]

People complaining about matchmaking outside of the top 1% are basically always wrong

I remember having to stamp out sbmm-bad stuff from sneaking onto pilot net

People just thought old cod when they were kids was better because different matchmaking

No. You're just old.

Things were better when we were young? Wow

[finite patrol]

forced 50/50 is such a funny concept to me like... that's how it's supposed to work, isn't it? isn't that the point? oh you want to win 60% of your games? go play a 1v1 game and get really good (I mean REALLY good).

[rich grove]

yeah lol

I mean sometimes the ways it happens are still goofy. like a 2kda player getting paired with a 0.2kda one is gonna lead to some extremely wacky shit going down

like is that duo really gonna be equally paired up against two 1.1 kda players

[magic summit]

The only game that actually had annoying matchmaking for me was apex legends

[rich grove]

(this is a thing that happens constantly in destiny due to severe playerbase depletion, which no algorithm is really gonna fix anyway short of five hour queue times)

[magic summit]

It just bounced so wildly between giving me children on controllers to apex predators

[warped ridge]

I think people inside the top 1% complaining about MM are more often than wrong to.

Like I remember watching Pengu play siege in public ranked matches and complaining about "pros would never take that angle" because he for some reason couldn't wrap his head around playing in non pro lobbies.

[ivory reef]

Oh yeah definitely if they're complaining about skill and stuff

But at the very top 1% you just get queue problems

Like there are only 5 other guys as good as you

The matchmaker cannot handle that

It's a very common problem

[rich grove]

apex skill bands were pretty empirically ridiculous with plats and preds being in the same lobby all the time

but also

60 player gamemode

[warped ridge]

Yeah, like how many fakers exist in each game for example?

Apex was funny cause I remember day 1 anybody with tf2 experience could sweep lobbies

Like I was getting 20k games and that was before I did any aim training so I was sitting at like, old silver aim at best

Which in today's aiming communities would put me at like Bronze

I'd argue the only game with like, true obvious skill-based design issue is like For Honor but it's scientifically proven (by the community. One of which who works for Ubisoft now) that the game has problems due to the design

And even then that game has generally improved despite them doing the goober combat update

Well I take that back

Might be more character specific at this point than general game design issue

[astral lava]

for honor is so crazy. unplayable game if you haven't played it for a decade

I have a friend who, of all things, is an active for honor streamer

[warped ridge]

Kinda sorta yeh, if you play a char with hyper armor you can kinda Unga it out, but play any outdated char like Nobushi without game knowledge and you're cooked

[astral lava]

character power creep is such a funny idea

do people still get to yell dun ma glas

[warped ridge]

Yes

Also

I wonder, how is Deadlock power creep?

Like none of the new people feel that crazy

[agile void]

I have no idea

closest thing we have is the deadlock night shift tournament

and they are avoiding the new characters like the plague

victor does not exist, doorman despite the portals has not been touched

mina before the buffs just straight up was not picked

[astral lava]

doorman doesnt really do anything other characters cant do, especially at high levels

like his ult is kind of bad?

you can dash out of his cart before getting stunned

and you have roughly a 30% chance of the game letting you put a portal down

[agile void]

I mean yeah but still mirage and Ivy are valued because of high mobility

mirage can only do it to himself and Ivy can do it with someone else

I dunno, just being able to shoot from cheeky spots should be something important

[somber creek]

His ult turns any fight into a 6v5

it's insanely good

[agile void]

mo has something similar

and he is S tier

[somber creek]

Yes

And Doorman can fight during the duration of his stun

[rich grove]

I wonder if it's just a roster thing tbh

[agile void]

I mean it could be just people not feeling safe having to think with portals

[rich grove]

exactly... two? teams ever win the tournament. so literally why bother picking up new characters.

[agile void]

which I understand

[astral lava]

So can Mo. Mo does ten million damage in lane and ult and never has to back. Doorman has bells and his weird gun

[rich grove]

everyone else gets dumped unceremoniously til we see buff enjoyers and abrahams flipping coins against each other

[astral lava]

Importantly, during Mo ult, you can just blow up the target. Doorman ult makes that guy invincible for 4 seconds

[somber creek]

That's genuinely not as important in higher elos

[astral lava]

Portal placement is soooo scuffed

[agile void]

Mo damage?

literally I have been learning mo and the channel confirms that your only source of damage is getting out of burrow

and torment pulse

scorn is just a survival tool

[rich grove]

in lane scorn gives him pretty supreme healing with reliable multihits on creeps, no antiheal and generally lower damage output across the cast

I still think doorman has way more Explodes You potential in lane dgmw

but it sometimes feels impossible to actually win any trade against him because you can spray him with a full mag and then he presses 1

[astral lava]

Scorn and his gun do so much damage

[rich grove]

and then his ult in lane is generally ggs unless he's already dead

[agile void]

gun that he cant use when he is using his main movement tool

[rich grove]

you're buying tpulse in lane?

[astral lava]

Doorman is annoying in game but I have never felt like im getting fucked by a doorman ult. Except the funny time I discovered that you just get instantly rooted by warden grab if you go in

[agile void]

No. Im just saying what the Mo krill channel is saying

your source of damage generally is quicksilver reload+mystic burst

monster rounds/headshot booster maybe

you cant even trigger Tankbuster with Scorn

[rich grove]

whether or not he's a dps carry isn't relevant to why he's played

yes mo is not a pos1

[agile void]

he is a disabler first and tank second

pocket sand and ult being the main reasons he is played

[rich grove]

he can fall off later but in lane he's absolutely annoying, which is the main point of contention

whether or not he's a carry in the late game is totally irrelevant to that strength

weirdly the closest comparison I can think of in terms of playstyle is warden where you just pop 4 and then try to interact with the game as little as possible while you don't have 4

[merry verge]

They made Mo and Krill to make sure the game was cursed enough to still count as a Moba

[agile void]

doesnt warden still have pretty good gun?

he doesnt need to go ult build

[rich grove]

oh you can

but meta build iirc is just maj leap ult

superior duration arcane surge lightning scroll

the works

ult obj win game

v chill

[agile void]

no idea if someone will find this interesting but just in case

[shy quiver]

https://bsky.app/profile/tulan.bsky.social/post/3lyydeq6qwc2o

A tulan (@tulan.bsky.social)

We're not playing around here! #Deadlock

Bluesky · Sep 16, 2025, 10:06 PM

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1njtgym/he_looks_like_a_clanker_i_just_cant_prove_it/

[warped ridge]

I mean

I gotta ask this

Cause playing separatist in battlefront 2 and going, "Roger roger" at everything

Are they saying "Roger roger" at everything?

[warped ridge]

how do you delete builds?

I just realized the yamato builds I have are for last year

[feral umbra]

there should be either a trashcan icon or a red button or something like that when you're trying to edit it

or unclick the heart icon as a favorite, it should disappear if its out of date

[warped ridge]

no icon

[autumn field]

open the build

it's in the bottom

[warped ridge]

Which spot? I'm not seeing it

[autumn field]

weird

i couldve sworn it was there

[warped ridge]

😭 I think the game doesn't like me

[autumn field]

what happens if you press save changes

maybe there's an option there?

[warped ridge]

I tried, I think it's glitched

it's not that big of a deal

whoever after playing a match around my proper mmr

starting to realize I maybe am missing the 1v1 lane

feels like everybody has like infinite mobility now and I can't catch anyone 😭

[feral umbra]

It was a big adjustment at first but trust me it’s better

Nobody wants 1v1 lanes against Drifter, Mina, Lash, Mirage, Kelvin, Bebop

It would be a death sentence for Wraith and Vyper these days in any matchup except maybe each other

[warped ridge]

I mean I probably wouldn't mind it everybody wasn't hyper mobile

it feels like I'm playing paragon almost

where there isn't much difference in character mobility outside of abilities which makes CC chars like Bebop just frustrating at best and other chars like Lash oppressive as hell

but fwiw I'm probably just feeling that way cause it felt like last game the only interaction I had with the teammates outside of literal end game was them just showing up to steal a kill after I get someone to like 10% hp

like I wouldn't even mind if they just engaged in on picks with me but they just ran away from an easy 3v2 and made it a 1v2 and I'm just like "this wouldn't matter if you didn't take most of my kills and didn't make me have an additional 8 assists"

[autumn field]

as a vyper main i fucking hate the idea of a 1v1 lane

[warped ridge]

tbf I know 1v1 lanes would def suck for certain chars

but honestly I know with MMR and how playing some outdated chars in top lane in league or playing weird rogue builds like bushwarrior poppy I would end up not minding it once the game had better build diversity

[autumn field]

honestly though, i feel like people's ideas of hypermobility is a touch overstated

that's my personal views though, as a hypermobility game player (grapple main, the finals)

[warped ridge]

I mean again I think it was just a feeling I had after playing multiple games in a row where it felt like I had 0 control and 100% responsibility

and maybe if I just swap chars to more assassin-likes it'll feel better

[autumn field]

ive kinda accepted that mobas just feel like that, but that's 2 different games of experience

i think vyper, lash are true hypermobility

yamato, mina, pocket, etc

they fall more under the "slippery" category

i do need to practice my aim more, for some reason im not shit at aim in the finals, but im garbage in deadlock

[warped ridge]

Idk maybe but wbuuugh feels terrible and I'll have to give it a few more tries to see if I continue feeling this way

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1njopgw/average_bebop_experience/

[ivory reef]

I recommend stacking with friends

[agile void]

truly, 7

[ivory reef]

[ Soul Orb Mechanics ]

• Players gain back ammo when claiming an Orb.
• Improved reliability of soul orb claims when experiencing momentary packet loss or latency.

hey guys

anyone who's more confident about this - can they go help update the wiki to mention this

probably in soul orb mechanics

[astral lava]

Wasn't that added like a year ago? Funny to not be thetr

[agile void]

finally doorman in comp

[agile void]

I think people forgot this because of how before this was technically Ammo scavhttps://deadlock.wiki/Ammo_Scavenger

[astral lava]

The fact apparently they all were gun builds is funny

[agile void]

gun hurts a decent chunk tbh

like bells are fucking annoying but the gun is pretty decent

[agile void]

fresh meme from me

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1nkf4jc/overstacking_green_items_is_a_huge_fucking/

[finite patrol]

geened (:

[twilit roost]

It ain't easy being green

[twilit roost]

This is the best compliment you can get as a bebop

[agile void]

freedom fighter and terrorists are arguably 2 sides of the same coin depending of perspective

[twilit roost]

This post dedicated to the brave sapphire hand fighters of Afghanistan

[agile void]

just in case that sentence gets me in trouble due to politics, that is a reply of the reddit post

[wintry arrow]

Lash, out here choosing the worst, most obscure and terrible political positions possible exclusively to ensure he isn't siding with Bebop.

[agile void]

I was watching deadlock in another channel and I heard

"hey saw where deathy put you in the tierlist?"

and that made me go into a hunt for this tierlist

apparently its a tierlist of content creators? i dont even know if this is something that people will want to see

[maiden ledge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izGWdIXD0NY

[runic cedar]

<@&1277035919182008330> hello is the dead locked

[feral umbra]

I’ve got some errands to run but I can lock and dead in a couple hours if you’re still around

[runic cedar]

9ZYRQ

@river willow @blazing berry

[runic cedar]

exelent game by everyone im happy i farmed alot after doing REALLY bad in the lane phase to then transform into an actuall treat in the late game

[agile void]

damage paige?

[feral umbra]

Spirit Paige is so much more dangerous than gun Paige

like don't get me wrong, Gun Paige works if your team is stacking on spirit damage already, but Spirit makes that shield ridiculous

[agile void]

I dont disagree but still your only damage is your 3

since dragons are....

[feral umbra]

dragons are for stacking Exposure

and they're better if you throw them after the 3 snags someone

[agile void]

Like I understand if they are strong, but the bouncing of it its just..... ugh I wish I had more Ivys stuff

I can tell that match was super brawly

half the team on each side having 10+ deaths

[finite patrol]

dragon does a lot of damage

it is an annoying skill to use though

[agile void]

https://youtu.be/LRM6JRJ57II

been a while since I looked at the old map

@ivory reef this might be actually interesting for you, this is how the old map of deadlock was and how before we had the concepts of "solo lanes"

[somber creek]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1279436508662861824/1418666733996216471/4seosn3ti2qf1.png?ex=68cef3da&is=68cda25a&hm=4d067d510bc9eee645c397855c353c268262a7e238759bf340828b5626f898cb&

[ivory reef]

Ooh thank you

[agile void]

https://youtu.be/RyCOzhlEKcc

I like that poshypop takes some of his coaching sessions to make videos out of them

[agile void]

<@&1277035919182008330> anyone wants to late night deadlock it?

[warped ridge]

I do

I might be able to join but not sure

[agile void]

give me a minute

im in vc

[runic cedar]

Are yall still good for one more game?

[agile void]

https://youtu.be/oXV3fl1Ylvg

@warped ridge

[rich grove]

this is just the type of shit that would happen to pocket

world's wettest soggiest nonbinary failchild

[autumn field]

I need a cathem pocket mod now

[finite patrol]

Victor is fun but I feel like I gotta farm 20 minutes to do anything

[rich grove]

you really need the kid named Spirit Resilience

[finite patrol]

yeah he can't really fight outside of just regular lane combat without it

[quiet sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/worried-scared-oh-no-stop-it-fearful-gif-12534009

[runic cedar]

<@&1277035919182008330> anyone around?

[iron oxide]

this game still confuses me in some ways

i don't understand why i'm falling behind 10k souls against bots

is it because they're jungling and i'm not? jungling seems like a complete waste of time versus clearing minions for the souls you get

[agile void]

you rotate

while waiting for the next wave you clear camps

dont just twiddle your fingers waiting for the next wave to crash, you either get boxes or clear camps in between

[runic cedar]

had a great game, got really sluggish to the end where we couldent even deal any real damage to eachother but fun either way

[iron oxide]

i see

also: are lane roles real?

every other moba seems to have the very rigorous setup of These Lanes For These Roles where you get shouted slurs at if you're outside them at any point

but here you just get thrown onto whatever lane arbitrarily at the start of the game and then everyone just runs around and does whatever past the early game

[runic cedar]

so far, i havent seen anything like that but it does seem more matchup dependant characters like pocket, yamato, paradox have an """easier""" time in lane while characters like dynamo, kelvin have a """harder""" time

[warm sonnet]

To me, the only hard roles are Roamers and Pushers. Roamers can move between the lanes and take camps more efficiently while Pushers are better at countering pushes and pushing themselves.

Some characters can support more, but still need souls to level up and get further support items, so they still need to rotate their income.

[iron oxide]

i just don't understand why (against bots) i score consistently high on the leaderboard in k/d/a but fall massively behind on souls and have my team lose the game anyway

[runic cedar]

id say try farming neutral creeps, or going for urn more often and also kills score alot less relatively in the late game than early but yeah i get how that can feel frustrating

[twilit roost]

Are you getting side objectives like urns and mid boss?

[agile void]

I dont think even the bots farm

[agile void]

good point to mention, team fights also split the income

if you are always 3v1 someone, the income is going to be split between the 3

the way to get fed is be alone in a single lane, if you are with someone else the income will be split

this is why you see people like infernus or haze just vibing in lane alone like 5 minutes, so they get fed

[agile void]

Lane roles? no, there is people with weak laning and people with strong laning, but its basically matchup dependant, like wizard said

though sometimes you just have the odd lane where drifter and doorman lose to a fucking Paige/dynamo

I dont understand how we managed to win that lane

[warm sonnet]

Did they pressure you?

[agile void]

Iirc, they did, but I got a parry that converted into kill in drifter

then we just managed to get like 2 or 3 more kills in drifter, or 2 on drifter 1 in doorman and we won

[warm sonnet]

as someone that sucks ass, sounds like a game I've played tbh

[agile void]

the match got closed early because a mina went 0/6 and dcd alongside the rest of the enemy team

[warm sonnet]

Just bad plays

Sounds more and more familiar

[agile void]

it do be like that sometimes but still, Drifter should have been able to kill us once or twice

even if paiges shield is nice and I have heal we dont have much damage by ourselves

[agile void]

anyone interested in <@&1277035919182008330> ing it?

[shy quiver]

https://www.tumblr.com/miyaneatworld/792954703605579776/this-games-been-popping-up-on-my-feed-again-the

MΔDDiE's WORLD DOMINATION

This game's been popping up on my feed again

The new characters are super cool actually

-# #deadlock #doorman #mina #pocket #just one chance mina please #digital art #miyanfanart

Tumblr · Aug 26, 2025, 3:02 PM

[finite patrol]

pfft

[iron oxide]

i've done my research and looked up all the guides and i still don't get this

do bots just have aimbot on souls?

is that it?

[runic cedar]

yes but they do have a timer to let you """practice"""" against them

they will deny and secure but will prioritize securing their own if they can but they will deny quite often but not consistently

[ivory reef]

You don't get souls from kills you get souls from lanes, big picture

The game does not reward kills just for kills - kills give you space for objectives and farming

Look up the soul distribution system for number of players

Hero kill souls are distributed between nearby players with the following formula:
100%/50%/30%/21%/13%/12% (for 1/2/3/4/5/6 players)
EX: 1000 Souls between 4 players would grant each player 210 Souls (1000 * 21%)

Trooper souls are distributed between nearby players with the following formula:
100%/65%/28%/15%/12%/8% (for 1/2/3/4/5/6 players)
EX: 120 Souls between 4 players would grant each player 18 Souls (120 * 15%)

if you kill a player, killing them solo or killing them duo grants you the same amount of souls. more players ganging up just makes the total soul count plummet

if you kill creeps, you get more total souls if you're duo laning. but after that the total number of souls actually crashes

[runic cedar]

ok quick qestion to the people who play paige, does she mention anything about her backstory in her voicelines, like at all i dont think ive ever hear her mention anything about it?

[warm sonnet]

She does talk about her brother, and I think I've heard Doorman taunt her about not finding him during a hotel visit.

[somber creek]

Her wish involves her brother

[warm sonnet]

Except for mentioning her parents, she has at most a handful of voice lines regarding her backstory

[agile void]

The story of deadlock seems like its going to be told through extra VN sidemodes considering that we had that Geist VN

https://youtu.be/nn_C9nQ_Ri0

we have some dialogues hinting at this but I dont think we were ever able to see these images ingame, so this is a leaked thing

[runic cedar]

yes but i wouldve atleast liked to hear a voiceline between abrams and paige going something like "after this is over can you help me find my brother" or asking paradox if she/they could help, but yeah early(? might be late who knows) alpha cant wait to see what else they add

[short quiver]

Be a little redundant to ask them for help when she's already in the ritual

[runic cedar]

fair but you do get interactions between the characters of stuff that could happen after the ritual so it might not be too crazy

[agile void]

could just be that the Voicelines havent been made yet

she doesnt have any direct interaction with Abrams yet

and a lot of heroes dont have yet voicelines when I ping the new heroes as missing

[runic cedar]

yeah going through the wiki she doesn't have a lot of voice lines (YET) also holy hell i cant wait to see Wreckers Deadlock design its hopefully going to be horrifying

(also the unused "keep on slorkin" line paige has with fathom is very funny)

[agile void]

https://youtu.be/X5OZK1VJjkw

putting the video mostly for one detail

she says that she was in phantom, and she stopped playing since november and got deranked to alchemist by the time she came back

following this logic

and looking at the ranks

that would mean that if anyone stopped playing by that same amount and came back, everyone in archon would be in initiate the moment the update dropped

@ivory reef regarding the matchmaking and rank talk from a few days

[ivory reef]

That still doesn't explain the lack of curve

Imagine the original bell curve. Then move it sideways to the left

That's what you'd get if it was decay

It's not decay it's something else involving new entries to the graph

[agile void]

yeah I wont be surprised if smurfing is something they need to make a stance on later

[earnest verge]

I mean, naively, and lacking context beyond this being a new game, this just sounds like people are getting better over time

Larger player pool too

Take a break while everyone's getting better on average and you will drop

Maybe people who take very long breaks drop more than they ought to

[warped ridge]

I stopped in September and it put me in ritualist

Also

After coming back
-people are jungling better
-they changed the map and made it harder to carry
-people are smarter map knowledge wise

Surprisingly

And Idk why, I think its cause the game needs more time to cook.

People still are absolutely terrible at denies

This makes me think that outside the top players, the game is in a weird half-genre state where it's basically OW but with dotaisms

[finite patrol]

its tf3 baby

[warped ridge]

Yeah kinda, except not much skill expression wrt to the crazier stuff team fortress 2 players can do

Like I look at Mina and I'm like, "this is just double androxus dash from paladins"

But then again Idk how Dota jg is

Hmm yeah thinking about all the different mobas

It feels closest to paragon but they're preventing deathball via soul farming

And also no jg role/solo lane

[agile void]

the main reason is that the solo lanes felt shit since there wasnt dedicated role

so you had shit like fucking dynamo fighting against shiv

and its just a battle lost on the select screen basically

with double lanes way more teamplay can happen and shit can go south

[agile void]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeqspzAvq24

[warped ridge]

Yeah I don't think valve should have solo lanes in current state of the game

[agile void]

anyone willing to do late night <@&1277035919182008330> matches?

[agile void]

posting because of nice thumbnail

https://youtu.be/jSEi4nLRgD8

[merry verge]

does have me wondering if NYC folks just sort of go into Lockdown for the ritual

[tardy sundial]

My understanding is the ritual is a one time thing

And were just replaying it over and over again like some sort of FATE anime

[quiet sapphire]

oh yeah there's a newscaster that has some lore stuff

i think it mentions that like the OSIC or something recommends citizens stay inside for the duration of the maelstrom

[merry verge]

Should have knockable doors that are rude to you, Bloodborne style

[agile void]

lore stuff I saw in the video

"maelstorm could be as short as 20 minutes, or as long as 2 hours"

and it just damned in me the possibility of 2 hours long matches being a real thing
also funny interaction

also I expected miss shelly to be weirder looking

[rich grove]

i don't really think we need this here tbh

[warped ridge]

Yeah, also the way the way it was being discussed was derogatory more than anything and using it as a slur

As a side note Idk what it is but I'm assuming Valve has weak report management with the game given in alpha but there's def more toxic people in Deadlock than the other games Ive played recently

Might just be lack of chat/voice banning proper tho

At a certain point might just be better to disable voice and all chat

[finite patrol]

I never play online multi-player games with voice on nowadays so it was definitely a system shock to me

like people just casually dropping the f slur ????

but I did grow up in the cod4/halo 2 mines. ig I just forgot how bad it was

[warped ridge]

Yeah it never left in the mass sphere of voice chat

I think Intruder had a relatively normal voice chat but most other games I run into someone being toxic on VC somewhere within the first 20 games

[agile void]

fair, sorry for that one

[agile void]

from what I have seen people talking, apparently Counter strike has a similar problem

[warped ridge]

Yeah I can see that

Cs has a lot of problems going on right now IIRC

[agile void]

people have been worried about cheaters in deadlock because of how counter strike is being handled

[finite patrol]

I don't think I've ever encountered a cheater. if they exist they are very uncommon

[agile void]

but those are different teams, I dont see a reason why because one is bad the other will be bad too

I can see VAC updates being required but beyond that, I think its up to Valve to see how they moderate chat or vc

[rich grove]

also cs has 2 morbillion people playing it some of who do it for money

[agile void]

Also deadlock is in an alpha

banning for toxicity or so isnt a high priority beyond making the game a thing

[rich grove]

"""""alpha""""""

but yeah

[agile void]

or at least how people argue why they seem or dont seem to be doing much regarding that

over here in my games of South america the one racist remark I have seen the most is people calling each other "macaco" (aka, Monkey) because brazil is the bigger population around here.

I would say... 2 or 3 games out of 20 I come across moments like that? after that I see more people being pissed at their lane partners or trying to say its the team problem they have 1/12/2

[warped ridge]

I mean

Honestly in this game

I would say someone going 1/12 has a chance of 3 of those being a team issue

The other 9 are 100% on them

It is so ridiculously easy to have your team bait you into bad engagements

The worst part about it too is you should 100% be putting yourself in those situations due to team > individual

It's why I get a bit salty at people complaining in-game

Cause yeah most people are already aware but if you're playing as a team I can almost guarantee they got baited by their teammates a few times

Honestly I wonder if any of the better Deadlock players have a good read on at what ranks should you be playing more as a team

Cause I know in like League, you're sometimes best off playing the 1v9 solo carry champ and being an absolute shithead and stealing as much value as you possibly can to snowball

And it def sounds like the better players have this awareness in this game to wrt to playing certain chars

But also Idek where Deadlock is wrt to snowballs

I mean tbf in this game you can't steal CS as easily in other games

You just kinda harm the soul distribution with 3 people

[ivory reef]

Tbh I never engage with games in ways they're not meant to be played at the highest level, I plan on 6 stacking and I'm getting there

I always 5 stack dota

I get that some team games are sorta like, designed for low coordination? The spy doesn't work in TF2 at all if everyone isn't solo queueing

But mobas aren't like that

[agile void]

I remember going with a haze in one of my recent games

30 seconds later

I die

haze dies

and infernus dies

and they get a rejuv off of that

we had a lash and I was dynamo so we were able to convert that rejuv into no rejuv because they werent aggresive enough

but they could 100% win off of that

[warped ridge]

Yeh, theoretically going with people is the correct decision in any fight situation but sometimes people just make bad calls

[warped ridge]

That's an interesting way to look at it but honestly, makes sense yeah.

It's probably not incorrect to treat the game rn as dedicated 6 stack only because.

-there is no casual queue
-there is no solo/duo/flex ranked, it's all the same
-game is alpha so not playing at highest capacity might mean stuff that needs to get rebalanced/reworked doesn't get the feedback needed

Like league has solo/duo ranked queue and then it switches to flex with 3 people and above and you get different ranks for both.

Siege on the other hand doesn't

But siege is 100% a game that your individual effort can and will get you to highest non leader board ranks

Which in turn this pushes the aspect of, "why be toxic" even further because by not playing with a dedicated 6 stack you're throwing a bit due to less coordination with randoms so someone else just underperforming is w/e cause you're already underperforming by hitting the queue button without a full 6 stack

Although now I gotta apologize Winged

Cause if you were gonna treat it like that then it's really rough for me to queue cause I willingly let bad engagements happen a few times when I saw them cause I wasn't 100% sure

I can try being more vocal but even then might just cause confusion 😭

[agile void]

I just ki d of accept the roll lf the dice at this point

mostly because I doubt I will have a friend group from which I can 100% trust so I just play by myself

this update is the one where I had more duos and trios because of being able to ping the role

[warped ridge]

I just realized Doorman can double ult the same person lol

[agile void]

and they get stuck

[twilit roost]

What im doing while I wait to send them back to the hotel again

[finite patrol]

even better doorman can double cart and bell their whole team

[ivory reef]

That's fine, you'll just end up on the other side if you're not in a stack with me

I've gotten my stack as big as 4 right now

[agile void]

Didnt we had that one time we went like 6 or 5?

[finite patrol]

I definitely played in a 6 stack here last week

we should organize a time & day

it's easier for me to show up if it's prearranged personally. idk if anyone else is like that

[feral umbra]

As long as it isn’t Thursday evenings I could probably participate, but I’ve got a weird schedule

But I’m very down for more stacks

[agile void]

<@&1277035919182008330> anyone up for a few matches?

[agile void]

I hadnt seen Madness combat, but I have a feeling hank is not one of those mindless killers

[finite patrol]

<@&1277035919182008330> If you are interested in setting up a schedule for group games please plug your GENERAL availability in here. it says next week but just put when you would potentially be available. like next week I won't be avail Monday night but I still filled it in. This is skill level agnostic! As long as you want to have fun and improve your play let's play together!

Enter your availability here: https://whenisgood.net/pnetdeadlockstackz

Make sure you set your TIME ZONE!!!

[finite patrol]

if we get enough people and someone's willing to organize for eu we can make an eu and na time stack schedule

[ivory reef]

@mystic breach @bleak thicket @native nexus

[warped ridge]

why is mina not affected by phantom strike 😭

[warm sonnet]

Did you try to PS a Mina ulti, perchance?

[warped ridge]

I'll have to double check but I don't think so

she was just floating mid-air and every time I tried to use PS it didn't work

[warm sonnet]

:/

Reactive Barrier?

[warped ridge]

no I checked items, only thing that maybe would make sense would be spirit barrier

[warm sonnet]

Though it should still throw her to the floor anyway

No batwarps?

[warped ridge]

I think one of the times maybe

but it was a bit weird where like she batwarped and it brought me to her after the batwarp but still didn't ground her

[warm sonnet]

Bug to report I guesd

[warped ridge]

I'll try to review the replay once it's available

[warm sonnet]

When PS hits, are automatically set to ground level or are you given velocity directed down? In the latter case it could be that they stopped it with her 1, dash/double jump, etc

[rich grove]

you get dragged down

I don't think it would be possible to break out of it with a double-jump at the very least because half the reason you buy it is specifically to mess with floaties like lash or vin

if you could just mash space it'd be pretty useless

[bleak thicket]

Set mine

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1nnxegm/dashes_into_your_guardian_and_dies/

[somber creek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXep8xEel-g

[finite patrol]

<@&1277035919182008330> Just bumping this once. Fill out the form if you are interested in setting up pre-arranged time for stacking deadlock.

Right now we have seven people who filled it out and several times for potential 4 stacks.

[agile void]

https://youtu.be/DhetRNHLI7E

wonder what the "Akira laser" is going to be since even new chars have the scream

actually its just billy now that I check again

also sounds like they just straight up murdered mirage

[finite patrol]

release mirage just sounded like that all the time

[rich grove]

FORTHEDJIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINN

[agile void]

YOUR WIFE IS MY WIFE

[finite patrol]

bumping this one last time for visibility and time zones. <@&1277035919182008330> If you are interested in running stacks at preset times

[finite patrol]

Alright so (assuming everyone did timezones correctly) looks like <t:1758765600:F> (<t:1758765600:R>) works for me, @agile void , @feral umbra , @rich grove , and @ivory reef . That's 5.

Then we have <t:1758729600:f> (<t:1758729600:R>) which works for @runic cedar , @bleak thicket, @feral umbra ,@mystic breach which is 4.

We also have <t:1758744000:T> (<t:1758744000:R>) which works for 4 people every day except Friday UTC: @runic cedar , @bleak thicket , @agile void , @rich grove Sunday to Thursday and I can do instead of Thresh on Saturday.

We are strewn wide across the world 😅

[finite patrol]

I'm happy to organize the first group and could probably pull someone in from another server to get us up to 6

[ivory reef]

nikh ur a sweetheart

[finite patrol]

aw thanks.

But someone else would have to handle organizing one of those other time slots which are the only ones which work for Jenny, Wizard, and Aneta. as I will be otherwise occupied.

[finite patrol]

hold on a sec need to look something up
ok this is funny

[feral umbra]

Hell yeah I can’t wait

[finite patrol]

If people are available tomorrow <t:1758765600:F> (<t:1758765600:R>). I'm ready to get started right away! I might be a little late tomorrow specifically but generally I can block off that time going forwards.

[agile void]

Im technically up for it in a few hours if anyone wants

[finite patrol]

i could probably play 1 2nite

[agile void]

over here is a holiday so I dont need to wake up early

[finite patrol]

do you get a holiday on the solstice? or is it something else

[agile void]

I can do the 10/11pm "what the fuck is happening" type of matches

[agile void]

country related

sorry, if I say more it could pin down my location

I still need to wait for some stuff in my house but once that is done I can deadlock

[feral umbra]

I’m excited to do more Billy in a comp because the solo queue Billy experience is basically dying to the easiest winnable fights while my team mates watch several feet behind me confused

[finite patrol]

I should probably figure out who I want to be good at cus rn i have 10 heroes selected on regular priority

"who do you play"
🤷‍♂️ " a quarter"

[feral umbra]

Hey fundamentals are good on everyone, schmoovement isn’t just for Lash and Viscous

I wish I was better at Viscous, that goo boy is rowdy when he gets some souls in him

[finite patrol]

i just learnt about wallbounce last night so im excited to practice it

[feral umbra]

I’ve been made aware of ‘dribbling’ recently and it’s wild that people can just do that on command in a live game

[agile void]

<@&1277035919182008330> sorry for making you wait, Im down to play finally

[finite patrol]

I can play one game in like 5?

[agile void]

yeah I can wait, im in vc

[finite patrol]

@half fulcrum @agile void @ivory reef @rich grove @feral umbra We have 6 for Wednesdays at <t:1758765600:t> (Thurs across the dateline) Are people available tomorrow/tonight or should we set up the next one for next week?

[feral umbra]

I’m good tomorrow/tonight

[ivory reef]

i'm recovering from a fever

I can't make any promises tomorrow sadly

[finite patrol]

Well if folks are around I'm down to game tonight, but let's set up next week for the full 6?

[ivory reef]

I'm tentatively interested, especially if it'll be an opportunity to play with @rich grove

I'm still learning the game so I'm not sure how I'd fit into a bigger team comp

[runic cedar]

tonight being when about? as id like to join aswell if it isnt to late :D

[finite patrol]

I put the timecode in my last message it's pretty late for you

[runic cedar]

oh yeah i didnt notice that

bummer

[finite patrol]

there are some times that work for you and other EU folks if you look up I pinged you there

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1np79j7/grey_talon_reached_3400_souls_and_sent_me_this/

[half fulcrum]

i’m sick as shit i will likely not be able to attend </3

[finite patrol]

well let's do next week

I'll still be on tonight to play with @feral umbra ?

[feral umbra]

Im game, I'm off today and I'm doing my chores and roll20 prep for tomorrow

[rich grove]

I can play at 200ms debuff if there are 2+ people not from oce

[finite patrol]

just don't play anyone who relies on melee or headshots

[rich grove]

you joke but I have a completely different set of mains playing with my stack compared to solo

on the glorious 10ms of oce I play the m1s and in the 200ms trenches ALCHEMICALFLASK

[finite patrol]

sounds like it's time to change the world pally

[rich grove]

CATCH

[ivory reef]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJhVzRoNusI

can anyone get this to load higher than 480p?

[finite patrol]

pinned comment

[ivory reef]

yes i saw that

[finite patrol]

does not work for me

[ivory reef]

same

[finite patrol]

<@&1277035919182008330> couple matches in half an hour?

[rich grove]

yuh

gives me time to eat lunch

[bleak thicket]

if im not otherwise busy sure

[feral umbra]

pick a channel im gonna hit the restroom real fast and get booted up

Im in IPS-N when you are all ready

[finite patrol]

im just finishing dinner and then ill log tf on

[rich grove]

I'll log titanfall on...

[feral umbra]

PR3W3

[somber creek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2nQhBD2UNs

[tame jay]

Wtf is this video lmao

[rich grove]

blah I gotta hit the vod review

[granite heath]

noob paige tbh

[rich grove]

miles to go before I can be the stack's ana 😩

[finite patrol]

you did great

[finite patrol]

I don't think I'll keep playing shiv in stacks I hopped off him after the first two games and immediately did much better

[feral umbra]

I'm starting to get the hang of billy

he's brutal

[twilit roost]

We have wall running now?

[agile void]

technically since the animation of the walljump was added

you can notice that if you are beside a wall your momentum is kind of slowed, to allow you easier walljump

[twilit roost]

Huh, somehow missed the wall slide you get

[agile void]

its less actual wallrun and more abusing source engine with that mechanic

[feral umbra]

I wonder if they soft patched in cs1.6 sliding

That’d be interesting

[ivory reef]

is that wallrunning?

that's just the "walljump ready" animation while you slide across a wall using aerial momentum right?

[agile void]

yeah but if you notice, when you jump normally and when you jump nearby a wall there is a slight reduction to your momentum

wallsliding is not there as a mechanic in itself but its there as a way to allow the player to stick the walljump

[feral umbra]

Yeah let’s you setup your corner bounce or tic tacs earlier I would assume, which would make them easier to fire off at the cost of making someone who is chasing have easier predictions on where your going

But it would also help someone practice hitting those bounce corners properly

[finite patrol]

he seems really pushed as long as you're not going full melee build

the smg just shreds late game

[feral umbra]

He gets a lot of mileage out of just backstabber I’ll say that much

And then building beefy with some melee stuff later has been what I’m doing but I need a better item path, the damage tapers off hard mid game

[finite patrol]

gun!!

I've also seen some fun stuff with echo shard on rising ram

bashdown ram bashdown echo ram bashdown is a comical amount of movement lockdown and quite a lot of damage

[runic cedar]

<@&1277035919182008330> ive got time for one deadlock game is anyone down?

[quiet sapphire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1279328124726677568/1414738341299097705/2025-09-09_00-11-25.gif

hopping on

[runic cedar]

5CTW2

[quiet sapphire]

i hate and love that i understand this

LMAO

[tame jay]

“You are penis level getting cold as fuck deep” is permanently going into my repertoire

[quiet sapphire]

"yeah sure I'll add that to my vocabulary"

[warm sonnet]

Shiv continues to be Best Guy

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1npwpj8/how_drifter_be_moving_against_the_sidelane_haze/

vamp burst+Kdash+Quick silver reload drifter be like:

[finite patrol]

picking lint outta his pockets and flicking it at ya

[agile void]

<@&1277035919182008330> Anyone onboard doing a few matches at this hour?

[finite patrol]

https://fxbsky.app/profile/smone.bsky.social/post/3lzp7mejlv22z

🍫🤍❤️S'mone❤️🤍🍫 (@smone.bsky.social)

Enjoy your stay at the Baroness motherfucker
︀︀
︀︀#Doorman #Deadlock

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FxBluesky · Sep 26, 2025, 12:30 AM

[iron oxide]

am i stupid or is mina's ult just Bad

[finite patrol]

it's great

try using it on buildings though

that's what it's best at

[iron oxide]

like not "i'm built incorrectly to take full advantage of its use cases", but "these bats physically cannot hit a target with more evasive capacity than the broad side of a barn"

[feral umbra]

They do have homing but it is tricky to use

[finite patrol]

yeah it's awkward, but again buildings can't dodge

[feral umbra]

But it feels better after you get spirit burn and watch it proc a gazillion times

[astral lava]

remember it silences them and you can also just aim it around

also you can use her teleport without canceling it. as far as i know this is not written anywhere but is extremely important

[somber creek]

you can WHAT

[feral umbra]

Yeah it says in small text on her 2 that it doesn’t cancel the 4

[agile void]

you might have attempted to knock down some minas while they are in ult

but nothing happens

because they tp and it also stops the ult for a few seconds

[feral umbra]

It also stops the knockdown if you time it right like viscous cube and dynamo teleport

Mina is a problem the second she hits like 13k souls and doesn’t stop for the rest of the game

[warm sonnet]

Like any unsupervised toddler, you cannot leave her alone for a second

Mina has a fork, and the world is her electrical outlet

[finite patrol]

we did pretty good once she was no longer connected to that viscous at the hip in our game

[feral umbra]

Curse is your friend, like all hyperfed jerks on the other team, Curse is the 3 second equalizer

it even stops blood tribute

[agile void]

the surprise counterspell

[agile void]

Tonight are you all up for a bunch of matches?

[runic cedar]

i think?

depends when

[agile void]

https://youtu.be/WKaxyRvsKtk

[runic cedar]

ok so just found out you can block baroness damage w dynamo

you just need to use his entangelment into the exit

on another note, some games make me wish there was a surrender button

[agile void]

you can also counterspell it

and stuff like Ivy stone form or mina tp also avoid the damage

anything that turns you invincible or untargeatable for a few seconds will allow you to get out of the baroness with no damage

you should still get out normally because you will normally need to use that ability the moment you get out of the thing

[runic cedar]

i love these "niche" interactions, its so fun to find them

[runic cedar]

so these were for now? or later?

[agile void]

I meant for the night, like when the last 6 stack happened

[runic cedar]

ah okidoki, ill go to bed in that case, best of luck with your games :D

[agile void]

anyone up for <@&1277035919182008330> ?

[runic cedar]

soon

[agile void]

https://www.rXddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1nrfj8y/hate_let_me_tell_you_how_much_ive_come_to_hate/

[runic cedar]

so deadlock now?

[agile void]

let me open up the game

[runic cedar]

alr then <@&1277035919182008330> time to summon the patron

[finite patrol]

gimme 5 ill hop on

[runic cedar]

50BFG

[quiet sapphire]

let me know when that game is finished I'll hop on too

[runic cedar]

if you want you can join us in vc :)

[runic cedar]

also we just finished

[quiet sapphire]

on my way

[magic summit]

First time playing Pocket again in a while

I feel like I still remember their tricks

[cloud shuttle]

Just got verbally abused lads lets gooooo

[agile void]

https://bsky.app/profile/drippypenguin.bsky.social/post/3lyuzpzeez225

(@drippypenguin.bsky.social)

Deadlock but in various cartoon artstyles.

#deadlock #deadlockfanart #deadlock_lash #deadlock_haze #deadlock_vindicta #deadlock_pocket

Bluesky · Sep 15, 2025, 2:35 PM

https://bsky.app/profile/drippypenguin.bsky.social/post/3lzjztdk5s22f

(@drippypenguin.bsky.social)

Deadlock but in various cartoon artstyles- PART 2

#deadlock #deadlockfanart #deadlock_ivy #deadlock_yamato #deadlock_abrams #deadlock_mina

Bluesky · Sep 23, 2025, 11:03 PM

https://bsky.app/profile/drippypenguin.bsky.social/post/3lzrnzfgjrk2f

(@drippypenguin.bsky.social)

Deadlock but in various cartoon artstyles- PART 3
I may end up doing all at this rate, yes, even the locked up ones.

#deadlock #deadlockfanart #deadlock_holliday #deadlock_calico #deadlock_doorman #deadlock_dynamo

Bluesky · Sep 26, 2025, 11:53 PM

Mina in the total drama island look fits perfectly

[somber creek]

Which one if Ivy?

[tardy sundial]

grim adventures of Billy & Mandy/Evil con Carne

[somber creek]

Ahhh

[warm sonnet]

The font for Abrams says Hellboy but I ain't seeing it

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1ns8ysx/buttery_smooth_urn_run/

meanwhile best I do is just jump the pad, go slide down

[finite patrol]

holy shit

[agile void]

actually I just checked the reply section

dude has a youtube channel with some movement guides

https://www.youtube.com/@1Mxrphy

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1nt9rt3/i_like_playing_as_bebop_i_hate_playing_against/

I feel that

[somber creek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXln5DNNNv0

[agile void]

I saw this political compass on reddit, still trying to understand it

....ah shit, Mordekaiser is doorman, that makes more sense

ok who the hell is the french woman

[warped ridge]

Makes sense to me

[agile void]

ah geist

nevermind

[agile void]

<@&1277035919182008330> anyone up for one or 2 matches

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1ntykmc/if_lash_wore_pants_would_he_wear_them_like_this/

[finite patrol]

@half fulcrum @agile void @rich grove @ivory reef @feral umbra Whos in for more deadlock tomorrow at <t:1758765600:t>?

[feral umbra]

I think I’m down unless I do an impromptu session zero tomorrow , will call back in to confirm

I haven’t played all week I’m gonna be awful lol

[finite patrol]

hades ii has had me in her grisp the last 5 days for sure haha

[rich grove]

had them in her crisp

[half fulcrum]

I'd probably be down for a round or two tomorrow!

[agile void]

im down for it

[stable forum]

thing you can do with Billy
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1281742836878020722/1423051770501796015/4C25511.MP4?ex=68dee7bd&is=68dd963d&hm=b268144392e9a40c88ab2c189bd64ea1759c71fea85e2d40a944ecba4b1581d1&

I didn't execute it super well, it's the first time I'd ever done that in an actual game, but essentially Majestic Leap -> Majestic Leap Descent -> Double Jump and throw Chain Gang in there somewhere. Ideally you want Chang Gang to proc after you hit the ground, so you probably want to do it a bit earlier than I did it there.

[agile void]

so basically a similar thing to warden

[merry verge]

He feels less reliant on ult than Warden, for teamfights sure but he can just keep brawling

[stable forum]

yeah, similar-ish. But your ult is lashy with this.

[stable forum]

He absolutely is. I play... weird, though.

I just really like buying Echo Shard on Billy, it's funny. Rising Ram topping my damage at the end of the match...

simply drop two thousand damage on someone.

[rich grove]

shoooryuuuuken

[finite patrol]

I got smoked at work today and had to use up 115% of my social battery so I'm gonna have to bail tonight.

[feral umbra]

I got us a channel if anyone is still down

https://discord.com/channels/426286410496999425/1423112018227105884

6HDG1 party code here

[agile void]

Im going to join maybe in a hour

because I need to do some stuff at home

[stable forum]

...I should try to be around for the dedlok

[agile void]

@stable forum we are up

[stable forum]

i started a match due to uncertainty >.>

[feral umbra]

we're stsill here if anyone else is up for a game

[autumn field]

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOO

i might play again

lethal venom stocks going up, objective nuking is even more insane now

[finite patrol]

I'm begging you to please PLEASE post the link
https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/10-02-2025-update.84332/

[autumn field]

I forgor

[finite patrol]

• Mina: Can now float in the air with the umbrella for up to 2.5s with right click
  whuh
• Mina: Nox Nostra now has 50% reduction in damage against objectives
  finally

[rich grove]

umbrella float, goty

[finite patrol]

very big patch

[twilit roost]

Let's goo Billy buffs

[somber creek]

No Holiday buffs

Smhsmh

[agile void]

dynamo used once, and lost

[merry verge]

I'm sure the .10 nerf to Gray Talon will knock him off the spot

gahd, specially compared to hard they hit Holliday

[ivory reef]

Veilwalker nerfed yes good

[finite patrol]

yeah and cultist sac

[rich grove]

🙏

dota 🤝 deadlock
one chungus ass item that ate both creeps and the meta

[finite patrol]

the cultist sac nerfs seem like the item will still probably be very good

[rich grove]

mirage might be back

im not sure if its too early to say

still working out whether the play is spamming the pop over and over or waiting for the big one

wait

wait it affects the time between stacks

oh.

oh god.

[finite patrol]

yeah

and cooldown was already a great stat for whirlwind and teleport

[somber creek]

I feel like the calico ult cool down buff was not required

[stable forum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1281742836878020722/1423559961497178112/1AE8241.MP4?ex=68e0c107&is=68df6f87&hm=07277e1e7d80ae78f8b00c704e2a835b37d94eba1faf2f7c2231f7e290b0ae02&

[stable forum]

sad, but fair. Veilwalker has been strong and still is strong, it's just a good item. People weren't buying it before.

I'm sad it gives less flat health now though....

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1nwf1qr/mina_new_airdash_and_floating_animation/

mary poppins y'all

[agile void]

https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/10-02-2025-update.84332/#post-159495

• Victor: Pain Battery T3 heal reduced from 20% to 18%
• Victor: Jumpstart cooldown increased from 22s to 23s
• Victor: Aura of Suffering self damage can no longer be reduced by spirit resistance (same as Jumpstart)
• Victor: Aura of Suffering self damage reduced from 85% to 80%

So victor is no longer kind of "forced" to get spirit res

[bleak thicket]

@rich grove

[finite patrol]

holy shit

[merry verge]

it's so involved omg

[finite patrol]

using your mod privilege to bypass the twitter block huh??

[rich grove]

also sadly >project 8

[bleak thicket]

oh ffs, i didnt notice

[granite heath]

lol

[bleak thicket]

i keep forgetting me being a mod bypasses the bot

https://gamebanana.com/mods/624215

[finite patrol]

heheheh

[bleak thicket]

here, the gamebanana link directly

https://youtu.be/rXo4ve3RuP4

and a youtube video!

[rich grove]

project 8 were the guys coping about pocket being nonbinary so im not inclined to give them anything also

[bleak thicket]

oh yikes

good to know

[agile void]

Specifically, they used some bullshit about game files listing everyone as "male" or "female", and when others checked that same file, it was very clear they doctored it or modified it on their end

[warped ridge]

cringe

[agile void]

Also weird because of how there is nothing in the game right now that deals with genders or sex mechanically

so its basically a value that would have no use in the game

[bleak thicket]

Can't wait for valve to add that female heroes earn .8 of a soul per soul

[agile void]

We know there is a "Succubus" coming thanks to voicelines, but I will be surprised if she isnt pansexual

or she works like Ahri and any sort of affection mechanic doesnt give a shit about that

[agile void]

WHO PINGED ME? I READ THE COMMENT TALKING ABOUT PAN STUFF

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puBWf_PUV3I

[finite patrol]

<@&1277035919182008330> jams?

[rich grove]

gimme 10-15 I just woke up

[finite patrol]

I'm just gluing together tiny pieces of plastic so @ me when you're ready

[rich grove]

@finite patrol let's see if the game pulls you into australian lobbies or if i will be placed into na

[finite patrol]

0CFN3

[somber creek]

https://www.kkinstagram.com/reel/DPJmyF0EQCZ/?igsh=MXNtYzcxb2d6YzNsYg==

[rich grove]

i fuckin love billy lmfao

what the hell

idk how you're meant to play him after 20 minutes without your brain leaking out your ears

lategame teamfights where you're constantly whip-panning around everywhere trying to find powa dunks and charges, while popping four active abilities off cd, is

nightmarish

[warped ridge]

same, billy looks so fun to play

get to just turn your brain off and just fight

[rich grove]

I was an absolute menace in lane

you can... kill people

you can kill people real hard

[warped ridge]

[rich grove]

he's also like. inexplicably hybrid m1 as well

[feral umbra]

Yeah Blasted gives amp on melee

[rich grove]

you can torch people with tesla bullets

[feral umbra]

And his gun has really short range so it’s deceptive just how much of a chainsaw it can be

[rich grove]

yeah I would just. walk up to people and because they were pooping themselves parrying I would just get 800 free m1 damage

horrific dilemma to get put in

also maybe it's just the ape to ape communication starting to fire but I was on one with parries that game holy moly

I hit some absolute sixth sensers where I'd hear the windup behind me and then the darktide devil gene kicked in

[feral umbra]

Remember that you get like bonus damage on successful parry so it’s even more damage

[rich grove]

hilariously

rebuttal is just on a bunch of billy guides at random

i have to assume it's cause when you charge someone they might panic melee and get absolutely dunked

like just sent straight to hell, do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars

[autumn field]

so, anyone here whose played vyper recently?

hows her hybird spirit doing now?

[feral umbra]

I’ve seen people building her like wraith and doing full spirit and neither has obliterated a game yet so I think I they’re still figuring it out

The new screwjab is best if you can land them but it’s trickier than it looks

[autumn field]

its actually pretty easy from my memory, but thats about it

[feral umbra]

They keep tweaking it to make it have a different hitbox or auto aim or magnetism etc etc

The real big one is people still getting stuck thinking they still have Slither leveled and then getting stuck in places lol

[autumn field]

oh mood

its a good change, imo, but it is yeah, funky

[feral umbra]

I’ve picked wraith and lash back up

Wraith is a lot of fun when your opponent just lets you shoot them

Sometimes you get the most cracked shiv and door man and your life is hell but sometimes that doesn’t happen and it’s not so bad

[autumn field]

i havent played in a while (the finals is too damn fun)

[feral umbra]

Wraith is still rough early

[autumn field]

but if i did i wouldnt be playing lash

because ouch, the nerf

[feral umbra]

He’s still pretty rowdy, imo

[autumn field]

im bad at him

[feral umbra]

Ah well, alas

[tardy sundial]

as long as you land your lash ults the rest will come with practice

[feral umbra]

nothing in this game hits quite like a lash divekick that just flattens someone like a Goomba from Mario

I've started using expanded range on the ult instead of divekick, though, it feels like its taken too many range nerfs and now it practically requries it to land in most games

[rich grove]

theres also the kid named counterspell

[feral umbra]

that's why you flog first

also I don't see nearly as many counterspells and rebuttals at my mmr and I wonder if that's because they aren't in the builds at all

[rich grove]

probably lol

rebuttal is also a "you are probably not able to react" issue

but counterspell is just so so free to use in 99% of games

[ivory reef]

oh that's a good shout

[feral umbra]

Yeah it makes it much easier to land it, especially in lane

in a team fight you don't need it as much, because your main item to allow it is eitehr Majestic Leap at the start of the fight, or Mastered Stamina to double jump up above the fight in the middle of it

With the Spirit Burn nerf I wonder if its really worth it as an item for Lash

You used to be able to reliably proc it just off Divekick but now I feel as if that's only the case if I'm ahead

which, in that case, who cares, right? You're getting the boots either way, but in a late team fight in a close or losing game, sometimes it just doesn't fire and that's brutal

[agile void]

Im surprised I dont see people going arcane surge sometimes, its a lot of value for a 1600 item

[merry verge]

All I tend to hear is Dynamo/Warden ults

[twilit roost]

I definitely see it for mcginnis for her healing pod

[rich grove]

yeah surging ginnis *heal is pretty good

[feral umbra]

I use it on Lash, actually

stamina and extra range on the stomps and ult

[rich grove]

i legit think the only reason why lash players don't use it more is because you're always tweaking in the air

where you famously cannot dashjump

[ivory reef]

ada's kinda correct

like, will I be dash jumping in the prior 7 seconds? maaybe

but sometimes I'm like. I respawn, into zipline, zipline speedboost, majestic leap, airdash, ult?

something like that

and then the best time to dash jump is like. in the fountain before taking the zipline?

it's not great

but yeah it is 1600 it's not a bad shout tbh

especially with the +1 stamina

I might try it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbmPoWGExjU

[agile void]

also before majestic leapming

since it doesnt affect item cast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7Xy2qIOEwc

[feral umbra]

It had a short cooldown so you can just use it in lane to get poked where people think they’re out of reach

Has*

[finite patrol]

the wall jump spam change also hits lash harder than a lot of heroes

[feral umbra]

Wait, what change? Is the time between wall jumps longer now?

It was like 1.25 seconds before

[somber creek]

Now it costs .5 stamina

After the first jump

[finite patrol]

to stop people from being able to juggle themselves quite as long

it's a very reasonable change but it sucks for someone like lash who used that to hang out waiting for the right moment a lot

[somber creek]

Which imo is fine

It is not like lash hurts for mobility

[feral umbra]

I mean, I’m buying Stamina Mastery, this hurts me less than you think on Lash

But it does kill the other non-mobile characters abusing it to bounce around and break LoS

[rich grove]

I was thinking about it and I'm pretty sure literally only Lash that I know of regularly buys stam mastery

[feral umbra]

It’s a requirement imo

Like Majestic Leap and Trophy Hunter

[rich grove]

not a single other hero off the top of my head is stammaxxing like him

[feral umbra]

Maybe Mina with her floating

Anyone on the other side of like, Mina or Warden or Doorman

[finite patrol]

I think all 3 of those are grabbing kdash or surge

I do love stamina mastery. it's very fun

[somber creek]

Mina, Calico, Vyper

I also buy it on Paige

[finite patrol]

cracked

I think one of the two 1600s is so much better in the stam slot for all of those except calico who I am not familiar with

[somber creek]

The thing about Paige is she has absolutely no fucking mobility

so likee

I like having Stamina Mastery

So I Don't Die So Much

[finite patrol]

what about warp stone?

[rich grove]

love glorp stone

[somber creek]

Warp stone to me is only good if you already have mobility

[rich grove]

at least three stam

I think paige is one of the ankleless characters

so your ability to go glorp stone out sidedash slide etc etc etc is a lot worse

more likely to get caught with one or no bars

[somber creek]

Paige has no movement ability and only 2 stam

so yeah

ankleless

[rich grove]

the ideal is also that glorp stone works as a gap close for you in some ways, although that's not always necessary

like i'll buy glorp stone on vindicta

but obviously you do not want to be in the same zipcode as enemies on that character lol

blink black hole on dynamo is always a juicer tho

holy shit someone made a jacket mod for billy

it's peak

[finite patrol]

oooh share

[rich grove]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/619328

[finite patrol]

hell yeah

this mod is off the hook

[rich grove]

(cause it broke line of sight to him for 3 seconds)

[finite patrol]

actually they picked up the receiver (with rising ram), then threw it to the ground (with bashdown)

[rich grove]

it legitimately would not surprise me if THREW IT ON THE GROUND was an inspiration for billy's character

[finite patrol]

bahaha

[feral umbra]

Aight so when is Deadlock getting its Invoker equivalent

[rich grove]

man I just don't have the swag to play carries

I just don't have the dog in me

I tried picking up mina again and I just don't have the inherent swag required for it

[somber creek]

Im swagalicious so I am ace with Mina

[warped ridge]

Mina is a carry?

If she's a carry then I misunderstood what people have been saying completely lel

Does someone have a list so I can be more familiar with what I should expect from each char?

[rich grove]

carry is probably the wrong role for her in comp environs but at least in woodlo you definitely have to be stomping

[warped ridge]

Real

[rich grove]

you also need the m1 carry gene

and my sub25% in kovaaks sub-plastic rank sub-pond scum ass is not built for this shit

if I want to make people explode with m1 procs I can just play mirage and not have to worry about dying of covid if the enemy laners breathe on me

it was a fun experiment but I'm just not about that life

[warped ridge]

I usually just do decent in lane then wait for lash to show up so I can learn interactions so I know how to better prevent lash 0-100s

[feral umbra]

They took the bat to Mina pretty hard

With the spirit burn nerf

And her own nerfs

I e been going back to wraith

I like Wraith, she’s just a chainsaw

[rich grove]

I think Mina's still totally fine but she demands killer instinct

it's definitely for the best that she isn't pressing 4 and committing unlicensed demolition on any objective in the game

but her gameplan of rake/love bites with teleport to keep her alive is still really fucking strong

[feral umbra]

The float helps a lot too

Keeping you up above the fight and out of LoS

[rich grove]

yeah I think if you put in the effort to marypoppinsmaxx you're really gonna enjoy the dumbass jukes you can pull

Freya from ovw had a similar mechanic where she could just twerk in the air with ADS that made her hover and players like Lip would use that to break 43ish ankles per minute

[rich grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/555460667902001207/1425049199929593876/image.png?ex=68e62bfd&is=68e4da7d&hm=6cfa39a343c3c675550ef640440c97846061edbf647d6f71219cf7b3a49d4986&

[warped ridge]

Sounds like Billy

[warm sonnet]

He'd hate on anyone for any reason

[astral lava]

this managed to be the first variant of this meme that i just disagree with

[somber creek]

The main thing that unlocked Mina for me is learning you can 2 during her ult without eating into any of the channel time

[ivory reef]

Lmao same

[astral lava]

Yeah its fucked that nothing indicates this in game

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1o07tuh/deadlock_characters_by_howif_they_pay_their_taxes/

people conversing about how each character does taxes

[somber creek]

Well they're wrong on Billy immediately

because half his dialogue with the cops in game is saying how he pays taxes

[agile void]

hence why I said conversing, also Kelvin wouldnt pay taxes as he is legally and literally dead

[rich grove]

[twilit roost]

A good investment of 6400 for that reverb lol

[finite patrol]

they probably bought it right before the final push

[twilit roost]

Oh definitely im just amazed at the dragon damage

[ivory reef]

how do you check damage like that?

[rich grove]

post game go to graphs (bottom center of the screen)