paradox wall silences
#Deadlock
agile void
and also damages you for %life
there is a reason why paradoxes first set walls then ult you
and also the wall was before a ability with charges, and it was nerfed
agile void
carbine is both a movement ability and a damage ability
and the bomb is not really meant for you to finish people off with it, since its a damage amp
in a perfect combo you would
carbine a mofo
set wall
put bomb below you
ult
and the guy would have been damage by your carbine, your ult, the wall and however long the enemy remains on the bomb
at that point you would be able to finish them off if they didnt died to everything in between
the closest one that would fit is probably holliday and even then her way to confirm the lasso would be with the barrels
barrel someone
they are in the air
lasso
use the jumpads to extend the lasso time
then when they get out you headshot them if you didnt do it already
somber creek
Well the difference is that lasso isnt a suicide move most of the time
agile void
sure, Im just saying, there is a real combo between all of paradox abilities
somber creek
I suppose, but to me they just dont fit as well as they should
agile void
and even then you can still mitigate the risk if you buy stuff like warp stone, or even e shift if you really dont want to risk it
somber creek
She's an int assassin with no real escape plan other than the wall
Or the person being dead
Which makes her master thief vibe feel weird
agile void
I mean yeah, but also you are still fully operational after your combo
the enemy by that point is silenced, with probably 30% down on their total hp and your team would cleanly wipe them out, while you can still use your abilities or even carbine, since that has such a low cooldown
somber creek
Well yeah, but you've still spawned yourself (usually), into the enemy team facing away from them
Idk, I just feel like Paradox has a weird disconnect between what her intended vibes are and how they fit together in-game. Abilities included.
Yeah they combo together but they feel like they combo together a might bit jankily
rich grove
yeah it's not a satisfying answer but she's empirically always done pretty well in comp
it's just really hard to do anything against her 3 if she's a kovaaks player, that alone can be an infinite range mnk ult sometimes
lavish grove
Victor very fun
He feels so fucking unkillable
I survived a team fight where I was stuck at like 5% HP the entire time
And got 3 kills while that low
Before getting killed, getting revived by his ult and then getting another kill
merry verge
I feel like I've never really seen the AoE on the ult hit folks
it's so potent regardless
lavish grove
Same, at least not in a very messy team fight
But either way, the free revive+buffs are so strong
merry verge
though i did see Sinclair prank a Victor with one and that got him
agile void
the gunis not that bad
merry verge
the gun is so strong
agile void
the dps is what? 33 damage?
autumn field
Victor is incredibly fun just because he gets to ignore most of the learn to survive
agile void
that shit hurts
lavish grove
the gunis not that bad
It’s not bad but it’s just better to focus on his survivability and aura tbh
Especially since all the best lifesteal items are either spirit or melee
lavish grove
Both of which don’t really care about your gun
agile void
which actually does the same thing
autumn field
I thought Victor is pure spirit + hp, gun be damned
lavish grove
I mean you can probably build berserker
merry verge
my brain still wants berserker to turn into frenzy
lavish grove
I don’t think it’ll be bad
merry verge
so it's >:[ that it doesn't
agile void
it did before
merry verge
( love you frenzy )
lavish grove
I thought Victor is pure spirit + hp, gun be damned
I normally build him like that
agile void
it was too good
merry verge
yeah it doesn't need help, that
lavish grove
The one gun buff I do go for is like, healing tempo
Which idk if that really counts
It does make his gun stronger but it’s more a support item+the healing potency increase
agile void
forgetting the move speed
Which is a huge deal just to keep people on your 3
it is more of a luxury item though
agile void
healing tempo gives you move speed if you trigger it alongside the fire rate
lavish grove
He’s got no mobility, he’s needs it to get stuck in
lavish grove
healing tempo gives you move speed if you trigger it alongside the fire rate
Yah, and you want healing booster anyway
I build extra regeneration into healing booster as my first lane items
So jumpstart heals like 20% of my healthbar
agile void
still, more of a luxury item
lavish grove
Combined with extra charge and I’m essentially immune to poke in lane
agile void
you need to get asap spirit res
lavish grove
And if anything it only benefits me
lavish grove
you need to get asap spirit res
Yah I go for that like, 5th
After speed and stamina
merry verge
healing tempo is on my sort of 'if 12k ahead' Drifter list
but i've yet to give it an honest go
lavish grove
Regeneration, healing booster, extra charge, extra stamina, extra speed, spirit res is my general Early game as Victor
agile void
can even drifter heal?
agile void
uh, Arent those lifesteal?
lavish grove
Yah that counts
agile void
healing tempo is not triggered by lifesteal
merry verge
Innate Lifesteal
agile void
I mean the healing is boosted but it doesnt trigger with lifesteal
lavish grove
I think it works from any ability which heals
Via any means
Just not items which heal
So like, Abrams 1 triggers it even if that ability is based around lifesteal
agile void
Afaik, Lifesteals dont count and have to be specifically "heal" items
that is why you sometimes see people run like
a single resto shot
lavish grove
It definitely works for me on Billy and he’s just got the lifesteal via his 3
agile void
so they can trigger it safely
agile void
It definitely works for me on Billy and he’s just got the lifesteal via his 3
that is more of stolen life rather than you hurting them
agile void
it always did
rich grove
it's specifically not bullet/spirit lifesteal I think
agile void
so you have more life
rich grove
like the stat granted to you by the items
agile void
more life="heal"
merry verge
/boo at healing tempo boo
lavish grove
Either way, I like it a lot on Victor
agile void
you are still saying that a 6k item shouldnt combo with a 6k item
merry verge
Healing Tempo procs on Abram's Spirit Lifesteal on his percentage-based Siphon Life ability.
Healing Tempo does not proc on Ivy's Bullet Lifesteal on her percentage-based Watcher's Covenant ability.
Healing Tempo procs on Bebop's Spirit Lifesteal on his 3rd upgrade of his percentage-based Hyper Beam ability.
Healing Tempo procs on Infenus' Spirit Lifesteal on his 3rd upgrade of his percentage-based Concussive Combustion ability.
Healing Tempo does not proc on Grey Talon's Bullet Lifesteal on his 3rd upgrade of his percentage-based Rain of Arrows ability.
Healing Tempo does not proc on Haze's Bullet Lifesteal on her 2nd upgrade on her percentage-based Smoke Bomb ability.
Healing Tempo procs on Lady Geist's Spirit Lifesteal on her percentage-based Life Drain ability.
Healing Tempo procs on Lash's Spirit Lifesteal on his percentage-based Flog ability.
Healing Tempo procs on Mo & Krill's Spirit Lifesteal on his percentage-based Scorn ability.
Healing Tempo does not proc on Paradox's Spirit Lifesteal on her percentage-based Paradoxical Swap ability.
Healing Tempo procs on Warden's Spirit Lifesteal on his percentage-based Last Stand ability.
Healing Tempo procs on Wraith's Spirit and Bullet Lifesteal on her 3rd upgrade of her percentage-based Full Auto ability.
oh that ended up very long
agile void
which sounds like a first world problem thing, you know?
lavish grove
His 2 has practically 100% uptime in fights with rapid recharge and the extra speed/gun damage is really handy for staying in fights
lavish grove
Healing Tempo procs on Abram's Spirit Lifesteal on his percentage-based Siphon L...
Fuck Ivy I guess
What the hell?
agile void
Healing Tempo procs on Abram's Spirit Lifesteal on his percentage-based Siphon L...
I do know that lifesteal Items dont trigger it
merry verge
it might have been activating from the Rend, then?
agile void
maybe
merry verge
because it works for Wraith 3 for some reason
autumn field
ok damn vampiric burst is really solid on vyper if im looking at this right
rich grove
vampiric burst is bis on many m1s I think
agile void
ok damn vampiric burst is really solid on vyper if im looking at this right
Why not fury trance
rich grove
it's best on haze and I think infernus as well for the mag overflow
vampiric burst is enormous sustain as well as a fat dps increase and also a tier higher
it's not generally comparable
agile void
way cheaper and you dont really need the stamina to do the slide
merry verge
the choice seems to usually be Leech or Burst
rich grove
if you want a t4 item on a gun hero it's one of the better ones
autumn field
i play stamina vyper
rich grove
viper doesn't have particularly good spirit so there's no real point buying leech for only half the item's value
autumn field
its fucking fun and that's why
agile void
arent you better off getting AP rounds or
merry verge
i know not enough 'bout viper
autumn field
who fuckin cares, its fun as fuck when you got more stamina than you can ever use and infinite ammo
rich grove
I mean why even ask then lol
agile void
Im just pointing out that fury trance is nice
also gives spirit res
which is nice if its against spirit heavy heroes
autumn field
yeah its disabling the stamina usage i cant get over
if im playing, idk, victor, maybe
agile void
and vyper compared to everyone else barely gives a fuck about stamina since she can slide for so long
autumn field
i like 7 stamina
agile void
she doesnt need to think about stamina so long she is sliding
merry verge
doesn't she need stamina to start sliding
or a ramp
i guess if she's got enough ms
agile void
you trigger it after starting to slide
lavish grove
How long does it last?
agile void
or if you are fast enough
merry verge
6s
agile void
uh 8 seconds?
autumn field
about 5 i think?
6
but ive got burst fire and fleetfoot rn
9 down the stairs
ok wait, i thought fury lasted more than 6 seconds
agile void
autumn field
yeah you can run fury then
agile void
somber creek
I have never seen a vyper do well, really
autumn field
last time i tried it lasted for like, forever
agile void
the only real diference between the two is more hp investment and the bullet res
also the lifesteal being bigger in vamp bust, which of course it will be bigger
autumn field
probably just a build thing
rich grove
well one of them also gives you +75% overflowing ammo and dramatically increased lifesteal lol
merry verge
and the ammo yes
rich grove
this comparison makes negative sense
merry verge
free reload
agile void
Fury trance is still way cheaper
rich grove
love it on haze, pop it in the middle of ult and go crazy
but what are we on about here comparing two queens
just run it at the appropriate economic situation and point in the game
lavish grove
I have never seen a vyper do well, really
I have a friend who mains her and she pretty consistently carries games with her, but also she’s been a competitive player since the game’s first closed alpha so she’s not really the median vyper
rich grove
I have a counterbuy item guide like 80% written
I should actually just finish that up and post it, 1s
merry verge
I love how many guides just have 'Fuck Off, Infernus' under Debuff Remover
lavish grove
Even more-so they haze a late game Vyper just wins fights
agile void
the nefarius disarming hex
lavish grove
She looks in your direction and you die
agile void
or the slowing hex
lavish grove
*the nefarius disarming hex*
I mean yah, I’m not saying there aren’t counters
But in terms of raw Team killing DPS numbers
A late game vyper is kinda unbeatable
agile void
tbh the strongest vyper is when she is sliding
the moment dynamo, hollyday or lash forces her to get off the floor
merry verge
could really use a new model
agile void
she loses a lot of power
autumn field
you could probably run both fury trance and burst if you wanted to
lavish grove
Seems like overkill tbh
But also it’s vyper
So existing in the late game is overkill
merry verge
some characters exist to be make sure game has a hard time going past 40 minutes
the olden days of Antimage Fucking Off Into Jungle only to return and end the game
lavish grove
They’re the “did you roam too much early on?” Check
rich grove
you could probably run both fury trance and burst if you wanted to
you do on Haze
lavish grove
Where if you’re laning against them your main job is babysitting them to make sure they reach their power spikes as late as possible
Ideally by killing them
Over and over again
merry verge
more people should run Shadow Weave because it makes the funny noise
autumn field
haze is 2 billion DPS, the hero, right?
every build i see is like, "more gun please"
lavish grove
Yah she’s the other mega hyper late game DPS carry
lavish grove
every build i see is like, "more gun please"
I’ve never seen a haze build more then 1 non gun item
And generally it’s siphon bullets
Which buffs her gun
agile void
one thing I find funny is how apparently if she goes over double fire rate
her gun gets more inaccurate
rich grove
yeah at +200% fire rate her gun gets bloom
this seems to be just an intentional thing though
autumn field
but i heard shes also like, really good for spirit?
rich grove
I think it's not exclusive to her, but she's the only character who routinely gets high enough for that to happen
somber creek
She has a passive that scales with spirit
but generally she does not scale too well with other spirit items
agile void
her ammo iirc
rich grove
also in competent lobbies she isn't a "fuck off into jungle for 30 minutes then end the game" hypercarry but she is a very good 2v1 assassin
somber creek
other than just Getting More Spirit
rich grove
it's always going to be a bit of a meme because most of the people playing her are playing her to play her as the M1 spray and pray lady
rich grove
why would you bother running all those melee slots when you could spend those slots on even more spirit
lavish grove
also in competent lobbies she isn't a "fuck off into jungle for 30 minutes then ...
Yah, the constantly jungling haze or vyper is ideally shut down pretty fast against players who know what they’re doing
rich grove
spirit snatch is good but that's pretty much it as far as melee items go, I don't think you buy anything else
just too much opportunity cost compared to greens on a character who will get oneshot by anything, lifestrike doesn't really make sense because she can't make use of it to sustain herself throughout a fight nearly as well as Abrams/Billy/Drifter etc
feral umbra
This is why I took Haze off my roster, I’d rather have Wraith, if I’m gonna power farm to 40k I don’t want to instantly shut down by Plated Armor and Bullet Resistance
lavish grove
I used to play infernus but I really just don’t like playing the M1 reliant characters anymore
feral umbra
I just saw the Vyper buffs let’s see if it’ll be enough but I’m not holding my breath
agile void
I find M1 heroes boring
lavish grove
Well everyone is M1 reliant but that specific class of holding down M1 with a full auto weapon to melt people
agile void
or at least want heroes that have more abilities than just m1
the only one I go M1 is ivy
autumn field
agile void
but that is because I cant go spirit and carry a game
autumn field
ok whoops that clip is fucked
agile void
anyone wants to try matches?
apparently I can connect to NA servers fine, if with a decent chunk of ping (120 -150)
merry verge
In D&D m'afraid
also bad at doing group activities
( despite somehow being in D&D )
agile void
why are you here instead of paying attention to the hastily made lore your dungeon master either made in the spot or was planned for 2 years?
merry verge
cause it's text-based and we in combat
agile void
fair enough
feral umbra
I feel attacked (I e got a game simmering from last year because my work schedule shifted to a garbage shift that just got swapped to something I can play again)
agile void
I feel attacked (I e got a game simmering from last year because my work schedul...
you will never get a satisfying climax of your story
runs away laughing like a madman
feral umbra
Also gun Paige is really damn dumb but I don’t think it’ll work for very long
Jokes on you we made a new volcano in North Carolina already and one of my friends now twitches with PTSD when I say “we love a theme don’t we folks”
Is express shot + split shot good on anyone else? Viscous or Yamato maybe?
feral umbra
The splits? They sure were last night, is that in this patch?
agile void
I know before express shot was BiS on paradox because it worked with carbine
agile void
The splits? They sure were last night, is that in this patch?
no, I mean only the first split bullet is boosted
feral umbra
Yeah that’s fine it’s still a comically huge damage boost
agile void
and even then splitshot says that only 1 of the split shot bullets works on the enemy
feral umbra
Mmmm okay so you could hit multiple people but not the same person
agile void
you would need to delay your second shot a few seconds to trigger split shot again
and by that point you already lost the chance for another split shot
meh, going to be in the Vc a bit
somber creek
Oh hey
we were complaining about paige's 1
it's now an aoe placable
fixed Just Now
finite patrol
you don't have to do the stupid book skill shot?
somber creek
no
rich grove
holy SHIT
autumn field
hmmm?
rich grove
I was reacting to the news about the paige update
autumn field
holy fuckin shit
vyper is insanely good at objectives
like, she will DELETE the patron
i think i had like, 310 dps or so
finite patrol
yeup
feral umbra
like, she will DELETE the patron
You can get infinite slides on the little raised section at the back during the last health bar
Use fleetfoot or surge of power to get shmooving and just left click to victory
lavish grove
it's now an aoe placable
Does the dragon just go out from her?
somber creek
It's a placable aoe like kudzu or Every Other AoE
merry verge
/boo
autumn field
What the hell is up with warden's soul power scaling
merry verge
not even the Patrons seem to know what's up with Warden
also Denying a Paige feels so cruel
watching that slow-ass projectile drift through afterward
Calico's dash feels like the most cursed hitbox in the game
autumn field
if you optimize only warden's spirit power
his ult can deal like, 400 DPS
which, tbf, not insane
feral umbra
Calico's dash feels like the most cursed hitbox in the game
After the page 1 change it is for sure lol
quiet sapphire
Dying to a non-player (when there is no bounty/assists) now increases the respawn time for that death by 10 seconds
smh
can't deny yourself
doorman got... buffed overall?
damn
quiet sapphire
too many active items
i will instead allow the seven to fry my ass for 70k damage by pressing 4
😔
no seriously why are so many people allergic to active items
am i just too dotabrained to get it
i love active items
rich grove
press button
more button press more good
more press button
yes button yes press more button yes
quiet sapphire
the children yearn for the high APM RTS gameplay
autumn field
no seriously why are so many people allergic to active items
honestly only reason is because im too lazy to change my keybinds, lol
its annoying to move fingers more , lol
quiet sapphire
love playing yamato with cold front silence wave restorative locket and debuff remover
or infuser
or knockdown or disarming hex or curse or—
hell even rescue beam
autumn field
you know, something cool would be an air vyper kinda hero
kinda like a yamato with maximal stamina, i guess
merry verge
Ain't that Lash
quiet sapphire
any other ancient beings who remember when lash grapple used to restore stamina
merry verge
It still says so on the wiki :Tc
Or maybe I'm remembering patch notes because it's 5 am
autumn field
Ain't that Lash
lash doesn't quite do the thing im seeking
i mean yeah he does do that well
ugh
one sec
i guess it'd be like, preserving more momentum off walljumps or jumping off walls harder, maybe an ability where you "store" momentum for a while then reactivate to use it, etc
stuff that wants you to keep moving, and lets you keep doing that
maybe stuff like an ability that scales with speed + airtime
the movement is so fucking good in this game, it'd be lovely to have someone who actively scales off movement usage
tidal elm
rich grove
oh no
oh man
why the fuck am I a calico player now
😩
I can't be tanking my team comps with EVEN MORE assassins bruh this is not what we want
merry verge
Because it's fun to always be pushing buttons
And to stare Infernus ults in the face
And kibty..
rich grove
really it's just that she feels buttery smooth to run around on
merry verge
That's part of why I've been enjoying Mina
Once you get stamina mastery and ranks in the tp she's just zoomin
still can't hit calico's damn dash
rich grove
jumping first before casting it improves consistency
but my understanding (from some very brief experimentation) is that it has a really thin vertical hitbox so even minor height differences will fuck you
the jump-cast presumably helps because when you aim with that extra vertical displacement, your dash will slam down into the ground rather than potentially sailing a little too high and noregging
that's my hypothesis anyhow
but that's not the....
but that...
quiet sapphire
i should've played a bit more holliday before the nerf
though my deadlock friends are admittedly a bit lacking in the "jump this guy when i grab them" department
"GOT VINDICTA"
"where" (looking like directly at me)
😭
theres like 3 sound cues and a voiceline too
wheres the situational awareness i was promised
grr
magic summit
<@142842792564097025> what do you do into Lash/GT lane as Pocket
Genuinely, you buy monster rounds, restorative shot and spirit shielding
Put points into your cooldown level for both cloak and satchel and nothing in anything else
Damage the wave that you can with cloak and try to hide from geist bomb with satchel
Er
Wait that's grey talon not geist
Well with grey talon it's similar but it's a lot of "hold onto your resources as much as possible until you think you can all in him" but the other things I said are the same
Also you get that Majestic leap basically as soon as you can leave lane
Upgrade it to Phantom Strike or just get both later
merry verge
Why does Pocket need six years to reload
agile void
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1b58941IF-yy-QMJ0fr5GgrUfAHETsSyAhBmtKHELdwc/...
Useful against heroes whose kill combo involves stunning* you for guaranteed followups: Holliday, Paradox, Mo and Krill, Haze, Wraith, Dynamo, Abrams, Bebop, Lash
worth mentioning
bell of doorman counts
reactive barrier will basically be Off cd every minute if you are against him
merry verge
10 less damage though, he's essentially dead forever
agile void
nah not really, it got better scaling
agile void
it was stupid the damage you got out of it in lane, not even yam can do it so hard, and if she does is through her 1, which is telegraphed, and her 3 which is basically "be close to her"
quiet sapphire
10 less damage though, he's essentially dead forever
they reduced my boy to garbage tier...
how will i ever recover
merry verge
Just like the .005 nerf to Paradox gun
lethal mica
mcginnis is so fun lmao
her ult has massive impact if you can get it off for a while
finite patrol
it's fucked up how 2 of the 3 they/them characters are 2 people
autumn field
I just need to get used to the long asf ttk and ill be good
merry verge
My last nonFightingGame competitive thing was Marvel Rivals, so I'm glad to just not be constantly fighting heals
autumn field
Huh
lost this match but it wasnt shit
seven is fun
35% of my dmg was power surge
rich grove
seven is mad fun
autumn field
wonder why no leech
rich grove
and yes the natans build is the goto
infuser better because the temp spirit makes you instakill people
autumn field
icic
rich grove
alternately you just buy eshift and become invuln, then pop out when the situation is better with a spirit buff
better to take 0 damage than gamble on outhealing a bunch of antiheal they may or may not have on cd, especially when a bunch of good characters have ridiculous burst
no actual movement ability means seven can sometimes just get folded so having the panic button is very useful
with transgender cooldowns seven can get it off multiple times a fight
think of it like counterspell++++ and you get a pretty good idea of how good it is
autumn field
i didnt have a build then
rich grove
you also probably don't need duration unless you're trying to meme people with stun
autumn field
i think i was doing it to max my surge duration
finite patrol
remember when infuser was an 800
agile void
KELVIN BLAST proceeds to out trade a mo
finite patrol
I remember you just get infuser and extra charge and whatever, collect 3 cards with wraith pop all your cooldowns and kill lane get guardian in 30 seconds
rich grove
finite patrol
whyyyy
glass flicker
Gun
merry verge
Who also gives fire rate and like 28% weapon damage
while having one of the highest base ingame
sure she's throwing snowballs around but there's ways to do stuff with it
also; funni
rich grove
Divine Barrier
finite patrol
her bullets also pierce multiple targets is the idea
rich grove
with split shot ricochet she can do pretty respectable damage
but spirit paige also just...
finite patrol
her spirit scaling is huge
rich grove
reading that username in a cajun accent and cracking myself up over and over again
primal wolf
Imagine reading it in doorman’s voice
finite patrol
no
autumn field
Imagine reading it in doorman’s voice
Why would you do this to me
I love how Doorman is basically Satan and he’s like, “haiiii I’m a little doorman I’ll take your luggage”, and he’s all like, “more ghosts for my hotel please!!!!”
Then when he ults he’s like “pocket, you have no parents, and they never loved you! Also, here’s a 25% off coupon to The Baroness, we do excellent massages and margaritas, they’ll be on us if you bring the frog!”
quiet sapphire
sometimes he forgets he's supposed to be a doorman
and starts tormenting his teammates
he slipped into his old habits here
finite patrol
this twink is pure evil
autumn field
i love him
quiet sapphire
he's so much fun to play
i keep on doing weird and wacky shit with doors
one of my opponents had no comment other than "cruel and unusual"
finite patrol
I hope they resolve the door placement jank soon
autumn field
does micro, team-oriented macro, banger lore, debuffs but isn't too oppressive about debuffs as a kit, etc
quiet sapphire
I hope they resolve the door placement jank soon
me too 😔
autumn field
apparently doomfist was horrible to play against
finite patrol
he's pretty oppressive in lane tbh
autumn field
he is, yeah
quiet sapphire
calling bell makes it really difficult to trade
you get close? he just carts you away
autumn field
whats trading again?
quiet sapphire
in trouble? oh well he had a door prepared under his guardian so he's out now
quiet sapphire
whats trading again?
literally just damaging each other
autumn field
oh lol
quiet sapphire
trading hits/damage
autumn field
used to trade meaning "took their obj. in exchange for ours"
quiet sapphire
obviously you want to be the one winning the trade
ah yeah that works too but in the lane context
it's about the fisticuffs
finite patrol
it's about the booping
autumn field
honestly, before CD reductions and whatnot
luggage is a 22 sec CD
and bell is 18
to me that feels pretty reasonable for those things
finite patrol
cart could be a 30s cd and it wouldn't be terrible tbh
that ability is fucked
also bell is charges so just the cd doesn't sum it up entirwly
finite patrol
don't forget vortex web
autumn field
Imo a good lash is really really annoying
He’s in the air he’s in your flank he’s in your bed he’s an asshole
Luckily the best lash I ever seen so far wasn’t able to keep that momentum up
Also I’m going to play more Seven, and try Yamato when I can eventually
What’s Yamato’s ideal build? She seems spirity
quiet sapphire
there are some builds here
i think it's just the build IDs so i can't even check them out
autumn field
there are some builds here
wdym cant check them out?
autumn field
thinking about how chaotic a hero with spirit scaling stamina recovery could be
quiet sapphire
wdym cant check them out?
i can't launch deadlock and punch in the build IDs currently
quiet sapphire
as far as i can remember
mystic shot is pretty core especially in lane
since it doesn't matter if you just clip them with your alt fire's AOE, it does full damage
restorative shot is good for sustain for the same reason
rich grove
go the ronald/fredthefinch build
quiet sapphire
cold front adds burst and the slow allows you to hit power slash a bit easier
rich grove
one of the better yam mains out and the build is reliable
autumn field
yamato...
i tried her once
she's pretty damn fun
but her 1 is a little hard to pull off well, since you're sitting there
also a bad billy is really really easy to play around
you can kinda just parry their heavy melees (they love doing that), and dodge most of their moves
rich grove
there's a reason you pick 3 as your first skill in lane
you really want the extra bullet res while channeling 1 and the fat 165 full charge damage to really start going off
3 is just literally every good lane characteristic on a button
slows m1, heals, aoe the size of a moon crater
quiet sapphire
support yamato build incoming
3 with suppressor
is shiv back after the buffs
this is actually the funniest thing
please tell me they haven't fixed this
i need to play haze and do this in lane
ivory reef
how does one cancel a yamato grapple
primal wolf
Killing her
Uhh you can’t iirc, it’s like rising ram where you bypass everything until the animation is done, or you get thrown into an object like with Abrams shoulder charge or doorman cart
ivory reef
Uhh you can’t iirc, it’s like rising ram where you bypass everything until the a...
no I mean
i'm playing yamato
how do I cancel my own grapple to maintain momentum
quiet sapphire
spacebar
primal wolf
how do I cancel my own grapple to maintain momentum
Spacebar, and immediately crouch to slide
Helps if you have fleetfoot
somber creek
Uhh you can’t iirc, it’s like rising ram where you bypass everything until the a...
You can if you vanish fwiw
Like Mina 2 or pocket
ivory reef
can anyone point me at a video explaining everything on the map? everything
there's a lot of Stuff on the map and I keep learning about new things
there are 2 neutral shops.t here are boxes and statues. there are veils. there are slot machines. there are... urns?
this is all not including dota stuff like the 2 river runes and creep camps and roshan
what are the teleporters for? how many of them are there?
primal wolf
Four teleporters, both by the secret shop and tunnels on the blue and yellow sides of the map
agile void
there are 2 neutral shops.t here are boxes and statues. there are veils. there a...
the urn is a CTF objective
get it to the other side to get a chunk of souls
primal wolf
On yellow side to your left will be the underground teleporter, and the secret shop to your right
Blue side it’s flipped
agile void
basically there is 2 teleporters on the underground of each side
boxes can drop souls, statues drop permanent buffs
the slot machine is called a sinner sacrifice, you punch it to get the souls out of it
and in the last hit if you hit it when all the lights are on, you get 4 of those permanent buffs from statues
veils are just 1 sided views of everything, there is a item called veilwalker that triggers if you pass through one of those
ivory reef
thanks voy
agile void
thanks voy
Roshan is mid boss, mid boss drops a rejuvenator, a crystal that is claimed the same way you claim the bridge/river buffs.
you get 3 tokens that are spent to revive in the spot for anyone that dies while the rejuv is up
if you have a token and you didnt died, you have some small buffs in life and whatnot for the whole team
so a 6v6 turns into a 9v6
agile void
agile void
does anyone in a few hours want to queue together?
quiet sapphire
please tell me they haven't fixed this
good news: it isn't
you can constantly do frontflips whilst shooting your enemies
magic summit
but her 1 is a little hard to pull off well, since you're sitting there
So there are a few things you can do to alleviate this, one is that you maintain some momentum and will float in the air while using it. This means you can, say, dodge around a corner and 1 as soon as you can, so you will still be moving a bit while charging.
You can also do a similar thing with the zipline. If you get used to using the big jump up to the zipline without actually grabbing onto it for movement, you can use that big jump up to go forward and move in the air while you charge it
Also note Yamato is one of the biggest "powerspike" heroes
Insofar as that, you get a huge boost to your fighting ability the moment you fully upgrade your 1
Same as when you first buy Torment Pulse
Or Colossus
Or Mystic Reverb
She has a lot of sudden power spike buys/upgrades
magic summit
Like I usually will dive my enemy laners the nanosecond I level up my ult
I did just mention that
magic summit
There are a few Yamato mains that stream, you can try to look at how they do stuff
I saw you mention builds too and that is trickier because Yamato is incredibly versatile
You can go all in on Power Slash and get things like Reverb, Boundless, Echo Shard
I usually go a ganking tanky Yamato with things like Counterspell, Healbane, Torment Pulse and Colossus
But she also has a lot of gun items that go well with her like Express Shot and Mystic Shot
It's not as popular now but people also used to go full Melee with her since she has 10% higher melee damage than normal and can just freely throw out haymakers in her ult
I, personally, like a value Spirit Snatch
Grapple in and light melee as you land
rich grove
I, personally, like a value Spirit Snatch
can confirm spirit snatch is absolutely broken and well worth it just for the sheer amount of shred you can inflict
just makes the rest of your combo absolutely truck them, night and day difference especially when they start buying armor
I like the laning mystic poke because of how it interacts with her m2, it got a bit worse since they added spread to her 🅱️eans but it seems pretty solid and it's a good way to pop their linkens spellbreaker late because you buy so much spirit it'll proc the spellbreak
then you can go in with the rest of your combo
agile void
if anyone wants to come over to play im in VC
autumn field
if anyone wants to come over to play im in VC
i can play
agile void
@autumn field come over if you want
autumn field
<@634903819792416778> come over if you want
let me pull the game up
rich grove
ding
merry verge
Don't worry he only gets several of them on a pretty damn low CD
at least they don't knockup like some sheriff
autumn field
[stupid joke about knock up here]
agile void
maiden ledge
oh
agile void
everyone does that joke with the way dynamo heavy melees people
autumn field
Lmaoooooooooo
agile void
like he is doing you back shots
rich grove
it's because the 1 knocks you up :v
autumn field
Ah yes, heavy melee backstabber dynamo
agile void
not just that the belly heavy melee is important
autumn field
I love how of the two vampires we have it’s “hot pretty lady”, and “angry homeless man”
agile void
one is a lasombra the other is a gangrel
maiden ledge
angry homeful lady and angry homeless man
feral umbra
you'd think with the name like Drifter and Troubador he'd be more Ravnos :v
drifter is fun, like a more scrappy Abrams
haven't seen an Abrams in quite a while tbh, I guess Billy ate his lunch
merry verge
clearly they made Drifter realreal fast after watching Sinners
ivory reef
someone made a mod of doorman as a playboy buny
pm me
agile void
rich grove
bkb refresher black hole is better than drugs
Just Say No to lash and paige ult
and then say no more indirectly to lash and paige with quantum entanglement
runic cedar
i love quantum entanglement against stuns, seven stun "zwoop", infernus ult "zwoop", lash ult "zwoop", warden cage "zwoop", i love it its so great
rich grove
the best part is yanking other people with you
sometimes you grief but other times lash pops ult and it's like
behold
0 soul counterspell
hold that
runic cedar
yeah its so great
its like drugs but better in every way
also i love how stomp dynamo doesnt need to build counters as you can just outdamage anyone infront of you and they cant do anything
rich grove
I do love playboy bunny doorman but this is probably a little risque for the server
finite patrol
oh woops didnt see that before trying to forward the rest of that sorry
finite patrol
"im gonna be a good poster and find the source"
"oh shit"
autumn field
Ok have this instead
Anyways if you’re in the deadlock server you know where to find it now
quiet sapphire
oh my goodness gracious
quiet sapphire
i need to get cracked at holliday it seems
ivory reef
agile void
kinda
before it was known as neon prime
we know because some of the old stuff is in there
quiet sapphire
did you watch the video :P
agile void
I didnt, I just posted the main video we know neon prime for
ivory reef
what's a good deadlock movement tutorial video
agile void
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhh
twilit roost
Csgo surfing tutorial /hj
somber creek
Seems to be the most comprehensive up to date one
A few older ones are from before they added wall jump
@ivory reef
agile void
there is also unironically
a google doc of movement in 4chan
Im sorry if there is some bad words in there
ivory reef
Seems to be the most comprehensive up to date one
thanks voy!
quiet sapphire
the dlmovement.wiki site is good too, can recommend
twilit roost
Sorry can't thing of a video but I would check the guide section from the deadlock discord
tardy sundial
ivory reef
@bleak thicket @primal sphinx @mystic breach
Wall Jump Fatigue is an invisible meter which determines the power of your next Wall Jump. When you Wall Jump, you are fatigued for 1.25 seconds. Attempting to Wall Jump in this time period will result in a cuckjump, and the fatigue meter will be set back to 1.25 seconds. Upon landing, Wall Jump Fatigue is reset to normal levels.
...
Credits: kojak.kj for coining the term cuckjump
thanks kojak
bleak thicket
LOL
tardy sundial
runescape classic edition
runic cedar
dynamo stomp goes so hard, i love it
near current
metro
deathy is pretty chill and informative
i also like generic ed boi (super DUPER chill and positive), eido (insane mechanics), and fredthefinch
magic summit
who was the asshole streamer again
Both Metro and Lefaa are two of the big "popular but toxic" ones
autumn field
Deathy sounds pretty informative in general
primal wolf
Metro isn’t toxic, per se, he just has low tolerance for people
SkeletonHoney is another amazing deadlock streamer/youtuber
rich grove
metro is definitely toxic
magic summit
Metro isn’t toxic, per se, he just has low tolerance for people
Just out of curiosity I went to look up his overwatch stuff because I was told he came from Overwatch, and I only knew of him because he kept making smurfs to grind up to Eternus, getting stuck, then making more smurfs and flaming his team for losing
And I just see a bunch of comments from years ago
Of him trying to get high ranked from smurfing
Getting stuck
Then flaming his team
So seems he has a pretty specific pattern of being a loser
autumn field
damn paige's gun has a huge hitbox
agile void
because of the slow projectile and big hitbox it is somehow both easy and hard to deny souls with it
autumn field
also, why does paige's default build suggest greater expansion for defend and fight
btw, whose a good jungler + solo duelist?
agile void
also, why does paige's default build suggest greater expansion for defend and fi...
Greater expansion is the tier 3, it goes to all skills
autumn field
oh yeah
agile void
and Uhhhh it kind of makes sense to get Mystic expansion in defend if you max 2 asap due to how you can bounce the armor into yourself and allies
unless that specific case, its better to put it in your 3
also yeah, jungling isnt really a thing
like you can farm in jungle all you want, but if you want to get feed, you need to get the wave minions, they give the most souls overall
autumn field
Welp.
somber creek
Camps are a "i am in no particular hurry" bonus
agile void
(you still have to take a look at them every once in a while, you can see the camps being taken in real time)
if a camp suddenly disappears and no one is nearby, it got stolen by the enemy
autumn field
damn troopers are good
it feels like there's a lot of them in lategamer
thing this is my highest soul game
rich grove
at woodlo your team is going to have the macro understanding of a very small rock, so most of your teammates aren't going to bother with waves at all
someone is going to have to take on the burden of hoovering them all up and it might as well be you
somber creek
I've learned that just staying in lane to farm solo after the first tower death is a good way to catch up
rich grove
^^^
likewise conversely if you're a support, leaving your carry to soak up the waves in the sidelane is real
if I'm rocking Kelvin or Paige I'm pretty economical with what I need to be functional so not having my broke-ass Infernus splitting souls with me is big
somber creek
Or if youre the one who got fed already off kills or what have you
rich grove
and then I can also come in to bail him out if needs be because wooooooooosh
autumn field
also turns out you could probably run pure spirit doorman
rich grove
...what else would you run on him
autumn field
true lol
i mean like, no items that ARENT spirit
you could deal like, 750 damage per bell
rich grove
ehhhhhh you could try but there's a pretty hard upper limit on how effective you can be if you're getting oneshot every fight
obviously you want as many purple items as you can get away with
rich grove
PRESS TH
THE R BUTTON
quiet sapphire
IT'S TIME T
TO CHANGE THE WORLD
merry verge
I love when people are all "I can challenge the Warden Ult, for sure"
primal wolf
btw, whose a good jungler + solo duelist?
Haze is THE jungler
merry verge
Tumblr hornyposting Drifter/Doorman, should have foreseen this
agile void
Tumblr hornyposting Drifter/Doorman, should have foreseen this
doorman is a dorito
merry verge
Doorman is a ruler, Drift is the true triangleman
ivory reef
ivory reef
https://www.reddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1mtbd4g/streamer_metro_purpose...
thank you this has been extremely useful
twilit roost
The Joorman
warm sonnet
Ape Man is Hungry
quiet sapphire
ok i'm starting to get gud at holliday
rich grove
HERE COMES THE BARREL
agile void
ok i'm starting to get gud at holliday
barrel punch?
quiet sapphire
no that i had down
merry verge
Remembering how the ult works /nod
wintry arrow
Drifter is such a...character.
Build tank stats, run at people, feel like an angry assassin
No restraint, no thoughts
He's perfect
merry verge
The heartbeat noise does something to mammal brains I think
Also love that he calls Gray Talon Wesley
autumn field
bruh i was junglin' on haze
i had like 9k orbs cuz i was just killing all the creeps
turns out my team killed the guardian while i was farming 😭
rich grove
we do a little teamfight
rich grove
I was not doing overly much damage since I was primarily lane janitor but it turns out lightning scroll warden is pretty good
autumn field
lmao
rich grove
you wipe five and then do mid and then have ult in time for the next one there we go
autumn field
turns out the enemy team was shit so i didnt need to do anything
i just grinded jungle the whole time
ok huh
wait @rich grove does siphon steal from the creeps or only heros
god dammit i got lash
feral umbra
turns out the enemy team was shit so i didnt need to do anything
This is my favorite strat
agile void
turns out my team killed the guardian while i was farming 😭
regular haze moment
seriously everyone should try to glance at the minimap every 10 or so seconds
autumn field
i hate aimvindicta
autumn field
where does one track deadlock patches?
The wiki, forums, the discord too
Like this is from the official discord
rich grove
it was a good run but at the point where their dynamo has bkb refresher it really was pretty much just ggs
sad to say
for a game where I was 5k down 0/3/0 after lane I'll fucking take that though
rich grove
I'm currently a neet so I'm pretty flexible schedule wise lol
I usually only play around 7hrs before now with a US stack, then a few hours later from now cause matchmaking in australia is basically dead til the evening
ivory reef
okay!
near current
the no1 thing that helped with my aim was focusing on the enemy and not my crosshair
warped ridge
50k souls?
autumn field
Yeah
autumn field
it runs just fine for me?
solid 130~ FPS most of the time
btw, how do you survive like, 5 man rushes
warped ridge
ran updates and restarted and now it's doing fine
might also have had needed to restart after changing from the default settings
quiet sapphire
you don't
unless you can outmanoeuvre them and give them the slip or you're tanky enough that if you can't completely escape you can survive long enough for your team to bail you out
if everyones on even footing and there are 5 people against you using their autoattacks and their nukes and their utility and their items and their-
you should die?
warped ridge
you *should* die?
I disagree, I'm simply built different
quiet sapphire
I disagree, I'm simply built different
abrams/mo and krill grindset
warped ridge
haze and yamato
rich grove
if they cant 5man kill you as haze they are some asssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
quiet sapphire
for best results stand in the haze ult
rich grove
no but genuinely just all 5man stand in it and it will deal infinitely less damage to you because of how it works
warped ridge
100% yeah
quiet sapphire
haze players when you pull out the plated armor + juggernaut abrams
warped ridge
if I get an abrams to waste his kit on me I'm doing my job as haze because of how much the ult doesn't do anything for team fights
they designed her really silly and it punishes players for going after her in teamfights without ult combos
rich grove
plated armor genuinely just bricks the character completely
rich grove
it's mainly useful early mid for guaranteed pickoffs against slept targets
quiet sapphire
IT'S ALL OVER
rich grove
build fixation stacks, sleep them as they run away, jump onto them and ult
use silence wave/slowhex before hand and fury trance during as required
it's pretty unintuitive if you're expecting it to be DIEDIEDIE and it's easily the most inexplicable thing about it for new players
autumn field
i was expecting an actual murder machine
like it's really good for finishing enemies
rich grove
it was good and then it was bad and then it was really really good and now it's bad again
once upon a time haze rolling in with the 4man ult was a real thing you could do
autumn field
esp cuz im pretty decent at getting into peoples faces
rich grove
now it's actively counterproductive to not just be shooting them instead unless you can sweetspot it
autumn field
huh
rich grove
the extra spirit damage era was absolutely nuts
theoretically it was worse against stacked teams than it was when you had the +2 targets t5 but people just disintegrated so fast it didn't even matter
autumn field
ah.
rich grove
she was the only character to have it as a mechanic at all til mirage dropped
very weird
everyone else like Seven has just +resist
warped ridge
why is the ult so ass like that 😭
binary assassin that is actually good because the devs aren't being goobers who made kallari in paragon
like the ult isn't bad, it's just binary
if you want to see an actual bad assassin, look at kallari from og paragon
where the common arguement on forums for not buffing her was, "I don't see what the problem is, she's fine whenever it's a 2v1"
and she never got buffed, all the way up until paragon died
autumn field
binary assassin?
warped ridge
binary characters are usually 0 or 100, no inbetween
autumn field
ah.
warped ridge
in this case, Haze is arguably a bit binary (although not completely) because her Ult is super amazing in 1v1s but is really weak in teamfights
she's not full feast or famine like Khazix from League of Legends
where the character 9/10 will always be destroying people or dying to everybody
warped ridge
yeh IMO she's a 1v1 roaming assassin
autumn field
easy to outdamage, out maneuver
im pretty good at just doing movement at will
sadly i burn through stamina
autumn field
watched a dude in the deadlock server leave in real time over pocket being a they/them
like, bruh, it's just 2 words 😭
feral umbra
someone please put an icepick through my skull, third shift queues are explicitly smurfs and people too stoned too sleep I am in hell
them removing ranked queue and standard queue as separate deals makes this experience such trash now
warped ridge
I don't think they should have done that yeah
agile void
I just fought against a shiv that had ethereal shift
he kept using it constantly and it just cut the shit out of the fight and I couldnt help but call him a bitch because of it
actually bought curse just so he stopped doing that shit
ivory reef
he kept using it constantly and it just cut the shit out of the fight and I coul...
... You can help that
Please don't do that
I'd rather pnet not grow an actual authentically terrible moba scene under my nose
agile void
I know, it was just annoying
ivory reef
Do not harass people in chat
Like this is a you problem around emotional processing if that's something you find yourself doing. It's literally just a guy playing well in a video game against you
I'd love to join the deadlock scene here and we need to do better
ivory reef
someone please put an icepick through my skull, third shift queues are explicitl...
Speaking of, these vibes suck too
agile void
I understand that, I just found it annoying in that moment because we kept fighting for over 2 minutes and because of the way shiv works, that means he gets to defer the damage constantly nonstop so we basically have to wipe 300 or 400% of his health to finally kill him
when he just needs to get us under 20% and its a kill for him
ivory reef
Yeah welcome to good moba play
If you've ever fought necrophos in Dota his ult instantly kills anyone under 20% HP and you generally need to go through like 1000% of his hp
It's vital to build heal negation against him
agile void
Honestly I dont even know if Shivs "defer damage" counts as a heal so stuff like healbane or decay works against him
ivory reef
I'm not saying that's the solution in deadlock
I just mean that this is how high powered mobas work
bleak thicket
Yeah dota is full of bullshit you gotta know and counter
And that's half the charm of the game
ivory reef
The solution in Dota to an unkillable monster is your whole team comes out of smoke totally invisible then stun locks and sheeps the guy and then you fucking kill him
It's our responsibility to kneecap their tools
bleak thicket
I love being a shadow shaman and just stunning people for an eternity, and then turning them into a chicken right after
Every character needs a solution at high levels
agile void
thing is CC is not that big
or at least non commital cc
we have knockdown and others but I think most stuns dont last longer than 2 or 3 seconds unless its an ult
like Mo and krill or dynamo stuff
ivory reef
Yeah that's how sheep and stuns work in Dota too
You just chain like three of them
And you murder the guy in 5 seconds
bleak thicket
Kelvin has his bubble
You can corner folks with that
agile void
It can work, but you can fuck up your teammates with it
I had moments thinking we had a haze dead to rights
she ults
I become the reason we lose
ivory reef
that is totally how dota works yeah, coordination is key
my main in dota exiles people from the map for 3 seconds
just gotta not mess it up
quiet sapphire
lord knows i've messed up a fissure or two
bleak thicket
ye the od bubble is a big responsibility
it can grief so easily
but its so powerful used well
finite patrol
can I interest you in exiling people from the map for 7 seconds
bleak thicket
od bubble can be cast on friends too :)
agile void
If anyone wants I can do a few matches
quiet sapphire
for some reason i think it feels like you're annoying your opponents more than you are when you play doorman and ult them
whenever i ult as doorman: teehee >:)
and then i get doorman ulted and i just go "oh well"
twilit roost
It's great, I exiled a seven that popped their ult in a team fight
That extra 2 meters from the first upgrade does a lot
quiet sapphire
i actually hit a sick holliday ult the other day
and cancelled a lash ult
nobody said anything 😔
twilit roost
How did you do that? Jump pad into lasso when he's in the air?
ivory reef
I would love to 6 stack with you guys
quiet sapphire
I read him like a book
ivory reef
that's when dota really sings
quiet sapphire
i don't know what my ping would be like on american servers but
i am willing to try
ivory reef
I've been enjoying pvping with jenny and aneta
and they're EU
no idea what oceania ping to na is like
quiet sapphire
oh I can play EU
I'm from South Africa so it's like
~160 ping? It's what I'm used to
there are south african servers but I guess the player base just isn't here yet so I mostly get eu games
ivory reef
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXgzfuXCSJM @bleak thicket
bleak thicket
👀
agile void
with NA my ping is at 120, so long I dont go with people like abrams or melee guys im fine
me looking at this damage spread and wondering if its cheating
like, same gun damage and gun (crit) damage?
ivory reef
me looking at this damage spread and wondering if its cheating
jaacker.
it's not cheating
bleak thicket
wouldnt they have more gun damage if they were cheating?
ivory reef
just get good at the game
twilit roost
wouldnt they have more gun damage if they were cheating?
Think they mean the haze only landed crits (or 99%) the whole game
ivory reef
how are you supposed to hack the server for crit rolls
agile void
how are you supposed to hack the server for crit rolls
crits means headshots