#Deadlock
rich grove
no metro is the guy who repeatedly babyrages at teammates and leaves his games
while smurfing, which really makes me wonder what exactly he thinks is gonna happen when he deliberately tanks his elo
autumn field
The fuck?
agile void
The fuck?
someone also checked the files and it was doctored, the genders werent there and it was just the names
autumn field
Bruh.
agile void
like I said, fuck those guys
autumn field
I don’t see a reason for valve to have genders in there either
agile void
the only reason you would have genders is if you have skills that make the gender of a person matter
there is a succubus coming out but I doubt they will make that matter with her
upbeat perch
certain languages have gendered nouns
autumn field
The only other reason if they have default models, I guess, or gendered nouns
Like Izen said
near current
russians saying maga lol
upbeat perch
note, not necessarily russians by legal documents, just russian language localizers
also pretty sure valve has either in-house or direct contracted localizers
tho at least for simplified chinese they did rely on fan translation for a few patches before the valve ones kicked in
what i am trying to say is: likely not valve's stance to fuck up gender
agile void
yeah this is a fan account
maiden ledge
i really cannot fathom doctoring this sort of thing for a political agenda and then sincerely going, "yes. i am of the righteous, the side of rationality. because i offend people"
agile void
nothing really worth talking about, this is just some random guy
actually to move on from this conversation
which characters you guys want builds for?
maiden ledge
am i sandbagging by running a gun pocket not knowing what his kit does, really? maybe. is it extremely fun to barrage into cloak tp vampiric burst into an empty mag and free souls? yyyes! very.
maiden ledge
tempo is the de facto gun build
nodnod
im still a little stuck on if i ever have to bring her 3&4 up ever
or if they just
stay like frosting on the kudzu
rich grove
use 3 to dodge telegraphed skills or punish greedy cqc opponents for overextending
agile void
upbeat perch
i have the misfortune of wanting to play in a way that's making it not easy for me to git gud ™
aka like with every other moba, my goal is to play everyone
autumn field
Quick question, I’m not too sure but how fast or slow is getting kills meant to be in this game?
agile void
agile void
Quick question, I’m not too sure but how fast or slow is getting kills meant to ...
50/50
rich grove
impossible to say
rich grove
depends on like seventy different factors
if someone is 3k souls up but they spent them all on rescue beam they're probably not doing shit
agile void
counterbuilding can make you either deleted in 2 seconds, to them having to waste mags on you to kill
there is a reason a lot of builds have optional parts to counter whatever happens in the middle of the gaem
ivory reef
are there any videos you guys would recommend breaking down all heroes and all items
autumn field
Ok so since I’m just worried cuz when I played Victor, I was down some souls but i know I would like, never die as long as I didn’t overextend
merry verge
All the videos I find are from like the old item system
autumn field
But I could never get kills
merry verge
Cept that one
agile void
there is this
ivory reef
i will tolerate the pogface
agile void
probably not that indepth but its worth checking
ivory reef
thank you jaacker
agile void
also if anyone wants Im free so we can go into vc to test random stuff
rich grove
can't think of one off the top of my face for characters because people are probably going to wait until things are more set
merry verge
Victor isn't exactly a Kill Farming type character
maiden ledge
the only items i know so far are toxic bullets and debuff remover
oh and healing rite
someone in this channel taught me healing rige
merry verge
Reactive Barrier can also be clutch
maiden ledge
rite
upbeat perch
all i can remember from the shop are...
rich grove
too risky to spend like 20 hours on a giant video and then have it immediately invalidated by random patches two weeks later
agile void
restorative shot is worth
upbeat perch
parry enhancements...
autumn field
Ok good I’m just making sure cuz I’ll be honest even tanks in games like Overwatch and so on even a tank is a DPS in some way
upbeat perch
yes i have a brand to maintain
merry verge
Counterspell makes such a good noise
agile void
we can also just do a custom match if someone wants to
upbeat perch
alas, at work
agile void
no idea how the ping is going to be overall
upbeat perch
tho the work is slow enough that if ppl want to gather i might be motivated to spectate
maiden ledge
I'd prefer to just queue up as a set of up to six
maiden ledge
does anyone wanna hop on
i can do a match in a bit
rich grove
actually if I just spend like
three hours writing a reactive itemization guide that might solve some of the FAQs in here
agile void
rich grove
i'll put it on the docket
autumn field
I can play
near current
doubt we have enough
agile void
you can add bots
near current
we also might end up with worse quality matches than randoms tbh
autumn field
I’m fine with DL with a team, I don’t like soloq tho
autumn field
But I’m going home rn
upbeat perch
so far i've only been playing solo bot... which has the unfortunate problem of "bots don't know how to properly end a game"
maiden ledge
how long will that be?
near current
ill be waiting until bots can do baron
autumn field
Also solo bots do have the issue of not playing right, which encourages you to overextend
Because that’s the fastest way to win, sadly
upbeat perch
i guess it's fortunate if the goal is to get as much game time as possible
near current
anyone else joining?
merry verge
Got D&D
autumn field
Can’t rn
merry verge
Idk how Drifter is supposed to do much of anything for like the first 15-20 minutes of a game, his kit early just doesn't have much juice
somber creek
You have insanely easy to land poke with 1
merry verge
'Poke'?
Everyone knows his range now, they all just keep out to the 70-damage-on-a-good-day distance
and it does like less than a doorman bell without item investment
somber creek
Yes but it scales really well with easy item investment
Its hard to figure out how to be anything but an aggressive poker in this game but if you get the flow of it you can really run roughshod
merry verge
in my experience it's mostly just that Everyone's Right Beside Eachother and never leaves tower
maybe the least fun early game of any character I've tried
which kind of sucks when you want to scale
ivory reef
What's it do
autumn field
Ok damn turns out im just playing hella wrong
near current
why is majestic leap 3200?
does a lot at once
agile void
140-120 ping, cant be melee but it works
agile void
why is majestic leap 3200?
big movement/escape tool
you will see pockets always run it
near current
Idk how Drifter is supposed to do much of anything for like the first 15-20 minu...
his m1 and 1 is cracked early
merry verge
I'm probably building wrong or something idk
but also just constantly stuck at the 60% damage range
autumn field
im going like, 4/1/3 rn
well i died cuz 4 man rush
im trolling so fucking hard, i died twice already but i did 25% to patron each time lol
twilit roost
patron does heal itself, so usually not worth diving it if you're gonna die
autumn field
ah no wonder
didnt know
well, we won
and i wasnt dead last this time so we good
damn.
almost double the obj dmg everyone else did
well, i guess we need to team rush then
autumn field
deadlock has a really weird thing where it just clicks
magic summit
https://www.reddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1mtbd4g/streamer_metro_purposely_griefing_matches_and A good example of Metro
magic summit
I will give him one thing he's apparently not a chud, so he has that going for him
maiden ledge
id rather that guy not exist anywhere in the possibility of interacting with me
merry verge
i guess he was a Known Guy in Overwatch
magic summit
Yes
maiden ledge
wish moderating for toxic behavior wasnt the equivalent to a joke for online gaming
near current
abrams feels so neutered man
merry verge
I don't think I've seen an Abrams since coming back to the game
slot sort of filled by Billyboy
an' Vic now
rich grove
Abrams is still strong as fuck
finite patrol
doesnt billy kinda suck still
autumn field
no clue but hes got a fun combo
last time i did play against a billy though, he was barely a threat, couldnt tell if thats just bad mmr moment or billy being ass
jesus, thats the most brutal gun ive seen so far
jesus
rich grove
billy feels pretty fuckin good rn and he seems to be getting picked semi regularly in comp
as long as his ult is literally broken I think he's gonna be kinda cracked
and his light melee mixup is so fucking awful to play against especially when you're actively feeding him max HP
you exchange the big utility of two stuns and general immortality on abrams for being infinitely more nimble and still having a little bit of immortality on billy
magic summit
Abrams and Billy are both good right now
Abrams I would rate higher because it's hard to compete with the sheer space anyone must give you when you get warp stone and max shoulder charge
Like cool the Haze is up 10k on me too bad for her she still dies from full with a shoulder charge combo and two shots to the head
Billy's lack of hard CC outside their ult and very counterable means of survivability are his real limiters
You just die instantly if you get jumped without Blasted
rich grove
Abrams and Billy are both good right now
is the melee character good? --> is lifestrike nerfed?
if N go to "the character is good"
if Y go to "the character is bad"
magic summit
I already have 32 games on Billy
I love him
Any character that I can just punch people to death is fun
It really is just stand 2 inches away and wait for them to flinch
rich grove
fighting any fucking melee character in this game
rich grove
I keep forgetting to buy rescue beam in games where my teammate insists on fighting the 51k abrams as a 20k calico
merry verge
in their defense any of the burst-y assassins I feel a bit lost what to do when behind
autumn field
why do mobas have you unlock abilities instead of getting all of them at once?
warped ridge
part of strategy/game mastery elements
autumn field
it feels kinda weird cuz you cant really use big parts of kit without other parts well
warped ridge
it's why most people focus on their most versatile/dps-orientated abilities first
autumn field
like to me it just makes playing say, lash boring
autumn field
because like, that's how i actually get kills and damage in
victor doesn't really need anything, cuz his jumpstart is 80% of what he needs
warped ridge
grapple can be used for mobility or kill securing, ground strike can be for burst damage or killing creep waves
most people, usually end up having a preference for what makes sense to them, if you like to trade you usually gravitate towards more sustain
autumn field
yeah it might be me not being great speaking
but sustain feels more like a necessity
warped ridge
Idk what the game balance is
but certain lanes you def would want sustain to not feed
as for being good Idk
merry verge
If everyone started with their whole kit Bebop would be a whole-ass demon
level 1 hook you just gone
also god, lategame doorman is so much fun
I'm everywhere
49s CD on Sending Them To Their Room
kept slowing hex just for mina ulting
sorry mina
rich grove
i love holliday
merry verge
I don't have the headshot powers but laned with a Holliday, was good time
Tragically I don't think you can throw the ult through a portal but dragging seemed to work
rich grove
it's been a while since I played her but I still got the donkey kong hammer manoeuvre down
merry verge
Also just a lot of bells bombs and headshots
rich grove
only issue was uhhhhh my entire team melting down into babyraging that game
merry verge
I had the most polite drifter I've met so far, he wasn't doing well but maintained
Also fought a warden that refused to build green items and by golly that simplifies dealing with him
Games truly a bit "someone's first laning experience" and the Bebop with 2x everyone's souls
rich grove
ebop..
warped ridge
It's a fun game!
quiet sapphire
support mcginnis is really fun
i feel like you also have more impact than your endgame stats suggest
warped ridge
McGinnis is turret lady right?
quiet sapphire
like sure your damage may be lackluster but it doesn't take into account the laserbeams you turn your teammates guns into
yeah
warped ridge
Cause if so holy fuck she is one of the best split pushers back when I played
quiet sapphire
but you can max her heal and it's frankly absurd in my honest opinion
warped ridge
Like support carry if there ever was one
quiet sapphire
lategame your heal looks like this
gives +35% fire rate, 3.5+% max hp heal
and that's ignoring heroic aura and healing tempo bonuses too
and then you can casually throw in an inhibitor/silencer or both to just debuff the entire enemy team
i can't stop winning
maiden ledge
I kind of want to try deadlock with people
im scarcely available but im down when im able!
tardy sundial
Haven't seen many abrams either lately, But feel that's just because there's like 3 new close range guys for folks to play with
agile void
its called meta report but the guy is also giving some extra builds for the new heroes
autumn field
i havent watched it but i assume victor is on the OP side of things
autumn field
oh huh, A tier ranking
merry verge
I'm glad my 'Holliday seems kind of crazy' feelings seem trueish
She's more kept in check by difficulty than the others in the tier imo
Victor with items just needs so much investment to take down
finite patrol
she kinda just deals inf damage has very strong catch and cc and incredible escape and mobility
merry verge
Why does she get so many barrels
That's so many always
I know they buy quick charges n all but lordt
upbeat perch
good to see my "at first sight" assessment of wraith and paradox are echoed by ppl who played this game way more than i have
autumn field
i love the billy build notes
finite patrol
deathy is such a dork
merry verge
Yeah there's a lot of time in his combos to sneak them in
Way easier than a heavy melee and it gives you all the same buff
autumn field
ooh, you can do 2 lm 1 lm
agile void
you want to light melee a lot with him?
you dont even need to melee technically
1 counts as melee damage and it triggers meleee items like lifestrike/spirit snatch/crushing fists
if anything just using your 1 to melee ends up in situations where people parry you out of experience so you unintentionally bait them into parrying
merry verge
But then you get into the secondary game, baiting out their bait
agile void
thats called buying rebuttal
merry verge
I've still yet to see anyone but me buy that
Enemies generally seem to hate counterbuilding except That One Server Person that is accidentally smurfing
lavish grove
God the deadlock subreddit fucking sucks
Top post atm is a post explaining pocket isn’t non-binary, the game exclusively uses they/them because they’re hiding their identity
Even to the people who know them
And refer to them by name
short quiver
At ppl in the comments dunking on it
short quiver
Someone even pointed out the Patrons use they/them pronouns lol
merry verge
For me it's the Mina lines, she's a toxic harpy but even she gets it
Though I can see most folk just simply not knowing
The lore isn't like thrown at you and the game is quite busy
I figure a lot of folks know Pocket as Frogs
glass flicker
Top post atm is a post explaining pocket isn’t non-binary, the game exclusively ...
Oh I saw this dumbass take earlier
Likes what?
agile void
I dont blame people not knowing because you will need to play as pocket to hear most of the important lines
and whenever others talk about them, its either dissing them, calling them "rich kid" or talking about fairfax, if not their name
you need to either play as then or read their lore to know that
glass flicker
I mean sure not knowing their pronouns is one thing. If it’s mostly in character dialogue and descriptions that aren’t immediately visible I can understand that.
Being aware of their pronouns and choosing to invent some nonsense to excuse misgendering them is another
Pretty sure stuff like using an alias or obscuring your face is gonna do more to conceal your identity than just changing your pronouns. Which is stuff Pocket already kinda does with their big ass coat but still.
agile void
oh yeah no those guys can fuck off
agile void
to be honest, I also misgender them but its because Im rarely used to talk with non binary people
literally in my message I had to rewire my brain and go back to fix any "him" I added unintentionally
autumn field
no way you just hit pocket with HIS PRONOUNS ARE THEY/THEM
Fuck.
glass flicker
Mina may want to kill Pocket but don’t you dare misgender them in front of her
agile void
you are now forced to be attacked by trans catgirls to pay for your crimes
warped ridge
If Pocket is Mina's ex fiance then I no longer want to play Mina.
Pocket has mechanically such a frustrating kit for me to fight, like Fizz.
I like Pocket more than Fizz though because Pocket gets the briefcase
And the briefcase is funny
So they get some points there
quiet sapphire
just played a great game as doorman
wherein i tortured my opponents psychologically
when you try to parry their finishing melee attack and all you get is that m1 stare
i would just start staring people down at low health and with trembling fingers they'd press their parry button
without fail
maiden ledge
https://deadlock-meta.vercel.app/
ooo thank you
agile void
If Pocket is Mina's ex fiance then I no longer want to play Mina.
Pocket has me...
Mina is their ex fiancee, lore mentions that she was supposed to marry them, then the assasination attempt failed
she proceeded to whine to her parents that she lost the chance to be a fairfax, her parents found a vampire to make her one as consolation, and she is angry at them for dying before they officialized the marriage
she is a bitch
warped ridge
I mean being a bitch I'm okay with
But marrying someone that feels like Fizz to me
Now, if she was marrying the Briefcase
merry verge
Tbf wasn't Pocket back then, their skillset included 'nepotism'
And it doesn't seem like they met before the wedding even
finite patrol
Mina is azula if azula wasn't ozais daughter but was going to be married to lu ten up until ba sing se
hope this helps
upbeat perch
who the hell is lu ten again?
merry verge
Iroh's boy
finite patrol
you're welcome
autumn field
huh, so some heroes dont get ability charges?
autumn field
other than lash and maybe yamato, who benefits most from the +2 stamina perk?
merry verge
Also makes Mina basically fly forever combined with bats
But I'm kind of a sucker for stamina mastery moving fast is fun
finite patrol
its nice on mcginnis since she starts with 2 stam
rich grove
rich grove
true ...
merry verge
Dude has spanned gender since the start
California is the cause I think
though she's Wisconsin it would so be pal
maiden ledge
didnt know vyper wasnt chill like that 😟
rich grove
the second vyper realized pocket was rich it was fucking over for them
merry verge
Pockets richness is something of a quantum state
maiden ledge
i can smell the money off of you
sniff sniff sniff... platinum credit card... sniff sniff... not under your name... smells... paternal
is that fairfax?
somber creek
She's so good
lethal mica
A tier voice actress too
somber creek
"couple a' Tuff Broads who kill people, for money"
lethal mica
Like wow she's doing such a good job
merry verge
"How'sabout I bump it up to a crisp Lincoln?"
And that's century-ago dollars
And somehow doesn't get along with Ivy
Tragically playing her makes me die
Just got nothin for me
near current
i wish i wasnt a complete chimpanzee when i was playin gher
near current
thats funny bc yam is my lock in character
autumn field
finite patrol
thank you
rich grove
rich grove
autumn field
If you’re going to pin it I should match the font a little
merry verge
Vyper naturally writes in Ransom Note
maiden ledge
thank you for your service carmen ninety five my goat
magic summit
you want to light melee a lot with him?
Heavy melees are ideal but hard to land at times, when you use your headbutt don't light melee. They expect it. Just shoot them point blank and watch them parry right on you then hit them
Or if you are side by side you can occasionally throw in light melees, though you need to alternate being doing that or not, because people learn your pattern quick
autumn field
in the case of my mmr, nobody knows how to parry
i dont do it because im not good enough at micro anyways
autumn field
LMAO
magic summit
in the case of my mmr, nobody knows how to parry
A good tip that works across any MMR: You can't parry during every action, and even if it's one you can sometimes they don't want to, and if someone is running away they usually don't parry if they aren't looking at you
Like if a Seven is ulting and they are in range, I beat them to death. If mo and krill are under ground I start being them to death. If someone dares to not look at me during a team fight I start beating them to death
autumn field
Seven, what a pain to deal with
autumn field
Doorman ult i don’t mind as much because his ult is much easier to play around than “run or die”
Just don’t get too close and you’re good, lol
btw how do you counter 7 ult?
autumn field
3,200 is a lot yeah
magic summit
Burst him down before he gets too high up, drag him down or run for cover are your other options
autumn field
but i would totally run it if they had vindicta and 7...
magic summit
Abrams/Lash/Billy and I think some others I can't remember right now have abilities that bring people to the ground
autumn field
first order though, manage to consistently get enough souls to run lategame buils
im generally behind by a few thousand, i should probably jungle more
merry verge
It's one of the toughest things to learn tbh
autumn field
i have not very good fundies, so all i do i play a standard victor build of infinite soul power, 10 billion regen
but, not enough souls to consistently get stuff like infuser
somber creek
Not Billy
He doesnt stun, just pull
But yeah the big counters are
Doorman
Holiday
Lash
Dynamo
merry verge
Pretty fun watching Gray Talon ult obliterate him but that's not exactly a counter
somber creek
Oh yeah
glass flicker
My brain is too small to fully understand moba stuff so I just play bot matches with my friends
autumn field
i can comprehend them im just Apex Legends brained
somber creek
If a seven ults while lash both
- Has ult
- Is not visible on the opposite side of the map the instant they press the button
They are going to get dunked
autumn field
i should play lash
merry verge
Lash is easy and difficult at the same time it's strange
autumn field
i like yamato but the hypermobility someone claims she has doesn't feel true
autumn field
Lash is easy and difficult at the same time it's strange
easy combo, which is just get high, crash out (on them), whip them for some health, fuck off, repeat
hard asf to master
also, yamato's scaling is wild, if you go full purple on her she deals like, 500 damage
warped ridge
Idk about hypermobility but her grapple is pretty mobile
autumn field
Idk about hypermobility but her grapple is pretty mobile
yeah its lovely, very easy to do a grapple -> airjump -> slide for a nice long movement
you can probably do airjump -> dash slide if you want
finite patrol
https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1n73qyp/if_valve_made_interviewstyle_shorts_again/
autumn field
ok damn vyper is fun as hell to play
just build gun and stamina, 7 stamina, running out is a joke
finite patrol
buying both kinetic dash and stamastery... that's really piss me off
buy veilwalker
autumn field
buying both kinetic dash and stamastery... that's really piss me off
i mean technically you dont need that
you only need stamina mastery, fleet foot, and burst fire
finite patrol
I don't think I've ever needed stamina mastery tbh
merry verge
But it's got the best horsepicture
finite patrol
just kdash and your passive I find it real hard to run out
autumn field
you dont, but its fucking hilarious
finite patrol
truuuue
merry verge
i wanna try Veilwalker on Drifter seems right up his alley
just have to remember where the damn veils are
also love the film effect
merry verge
there's so many Healing Things I'm always >:|a about what to do
do like Lifestrike ( or whatever the early game one is ) but it feels like y'basically always trade the HP away doing it
near current
any gamers?
finite patrol
I just finished being let down by my team as an 8/5/12 doorman
near current
ruff
autumn field
so i found this build
this is incredibly well anotated
idk how the build itself is, but it claims to be a noob build, and it does look about right
any opinions?
glass flicker
I always like builds that have lots of annotations and explanations, until I really start to understand this game I appreciate the handholding
autumn field
https://deadlock-meta.vercel.app/
oh yeah @rich grove idk but you wanna pin this?
rich grove
https://deadlock-meta.vercel.app/
finite patrol
any opinions?
I'm extremely high on buying a barrier in lane and spirit shielding is often better in many lane matchups than reactive
I'm low on this because it doesn't include monster rounds and I think that's just wrong on vyper
autumn field
I'm low on this because it doesn't include monster rounds and I think that's jus...
wdym by low
finite patrol
my opinion of the build is low
autumn field
mmm'
finite patrol
the advice section is good though I'm mostly taking the piss but buy monster rounds and veilwalker PLEASE
autumn field
how good is this?
its 50 damage for free on vyper, but im not sure if other things surpass it
near current
headshoot is good on heroes who like to poke m1
autumn field
i think vyper can use it really easily cuz he just shoots 24/7
which means just try to poke the head once in a while, lmao
finite patrol
I don't think it's good
your weapon 800s are close combat monster rounds extended mage resto shot and rapid rounds. that's a lot
autumn field
800s?
finite patrol
t1 items cost 800 souls
finite patrol
yeah we were discussing vyper
headshot is great on plenty of heroes though
it's first item on warden
autumn field
noted.
quiet sapphire
autumn field
hmmm, is intensifying mags worth it on early vyper?
he doesn't have the ammo for it i think
quiet sapphire
he?
also vyper gun sucks if you're not sliding
always remember ABC
Always
Be
sCliding
finite patrol
autumn field
i havent heard her voice either due to my headphones fuckin' up
quiet sapphire
oh yeah her model is currently one that got repurposed
finite patrol
fighting in blue lane is the bane of every low level lobby. don't do it unless they're pushing walker or base
just keep farmjng
autumn field
its also hard to tell cuz Actually Designed LizardWoman
autumn field
fighting in blue lane is the bane of every low level lobby. don't do it unless t...
wait, lanes have differences?
finite patrol
it's just a reused model from neon
quiet sapphire
vyper is fucking hilarious
the lash/vyper conversations did NOT disappoint
finite patrol
blue lane is the middle one
everyone fucking can't help themselves and just dies in blue endlessly while the people paying attention to the lesson farm up or push the side lanes
quiet sapphire
fighting in blue lane is the bane of every low level lobby. don't do it unless t...
it's crazy I play normal games and then 11 other people in my country manage to queue at the same time (south africa) and the skill difference is notable like WE HAVE BEEN FIGHTING IN GREEN LANE FOR 7 MINUTES STRAIGHT
WHY DID WE RE-INVENT TRENCH WARFARE
at least the new update bumped up the player count enough that I can actually find south african games randomly instead of once in a blue moon on a Saturday afternoon
finite patrol
you can train them
finite patrol
quiet sapphire
my trophy collector has never been more stacked at 9 minutes
quiet sapphire
wher close quarters and monster rounds
finite patrol
top left unbought
quiet sapphire
y no buy is what im asking 😔
autumn field
wher close quarters and monster rounds
im just fuckin around rn
no need to buy in the firing range
i handcrafted this build
its gonna be the best build ever
Interesting build
how common is cult sacrifice?
quiet sapphire
it's a guilty pleasure of mine
merry verge
Depends on the character, I see it around
quiet sapphire
i build it on doorman of all characters
3.2k souls so it gives you that +20% weapon damage investment
helps you farm neutrals
rich grove
cultsac is sometimes useful just for the +20% ability range increase
rich grove
dynamo black hole with arcane surge and cultsac buff has way more range than it really ought to at like 10k
quiet sapphire
bigger bell radius, more range to open doors, cart pushes further and even doorman ult all benefit from that range
also it pads out your health
rich grove
bumps in the purely hypothetical whiteroom
autumn field
Yeah most of it is based on me reading builds from others though
I built the shit cuz it’s fun, and like, I’ll probably run it tomorrow
I’m not super confident on my game knowledge to reliably use things like counterspell
But I do think this shouldn’t be ass
merry verge
I'm fine with Seven's ult, I love Seven's ult, it is a gamechanger, it's iconic
Power Surge needs to change yesterday
also tried Kelvin for the first time and perhaps the feeling is related for lore, but also wow that mobility is fun
autumn field
Try Lash with the +2 stamina item, hehehe
merry verge
there's something about frozone-ing around that charms me
Lash kind of reminds me of Superjump in City of Heroes, just Never Not Sky
real glad his new model arrived the old one was..
waxy-faced
in a troubling way
rich grove
Power Surge needs to change *yesterday*
I genuinely thought the complaint was with Surge of Power but confusingly those two are always paired together without hesitation
autumn field
What’s so bad about power surge?
merry verge
it's like sorta
he has the best auto passive of the spirit folk
while being himself as well
( i know it's not passive but lategame: c'mon )
Drifter sort of feels like
A hard cap on game timers
also spirit build (with just a touch of gun for attack speed) is so much more fun
this lad was handcrafted for Spirit Snatch
merry verge
you will learn where the veils are fast if you buy it!
what do you MEAN the little closets work for this, this might be my new favorite item this tier
rich grove
power surge has builtin shred for free and scales humongously once maxed
scary ability, almost 100% if not actually 100% uptime in the endgame
makes seven a supreme applier of suppressor/healbane early, then a lock for spirit burn late
almost 1:1 cooldown sync with surge of power to make him superfast on top of all that, granting truly infinite ammo while fleetfooted if you time your slides in rhythm with your burst fire
also a menace to get hit with in lane because with monster rounds he should generally have wave prio
though granted seven's laning got a big hit with pre-mina patch nerfs to his max hp and ridiculous 3.5hps base regen
merry verge
mf had higher than Victor, hwat
rich grove
yeah he was inexplicably just lane jesus in previous patches
genuinely zero rhyme or reason since he's not particularly slow (was even faster before those same nerfs) nor is he particularly close range dependent
rich grove
for reference warden has 3.5hps
quiet sapphire
the level 1 damage with power surge surprises me
autumn field
scary ability, almost 100% if not actually 100% uptime in the endgame
wait what
rich grove
it's pretty good and it's also a Healing Rite Begone tool for most of the lane
if the duo isn"t fully on the same page you can occasionally cornball people out of like 200 hp cause the chain lightning ricochets off a minion and tickles their toes
merry verge
yeaah some lanes i've definitely just started buying like, Extra Regen
autumn field
how does this thing change the scaling?
quiet sapphire
shred through entire teams with power surge
rich grove
yeaah some lanes i've definitely just started buying like, Extra Regen
resto
rich grove
you want resto shot unless you're seriously down bad
autumn field
does it turn it from 0.0609 to 0.341, or does it add to make it 1.000?
merry verge
i feel like i always blow Resto Shot on 15 hp trying to get souls
rich grove
souls at least give you the compensation prize
quiet sapphire
i think it adds the x0.341 to the x0.16 scaling
and makes it x0.5 scaling
that seems like it would make the most sense
autumn field
ohhhhh wait i read that wrong lol
so, if you have say, 80 spirit power, does that add 40 seconds to its active or am i misreading it
that does not sound right at all
quiet sapphire
ohh i see duration also scales
i have no clue if the tier 3 option improves the duration scaling too
easy enough to test though
autumn field
how do people get that near 100% uptime anyways?
it lasts like 15 seconds with like, 90 spirit power
(assuming no upgrades or modified scaling)
quiet sapphire
superior cooldown
autumn field
ok wait, 19.2 with sup duration, 23 seconds cd with tran cooldown if im not wrong
quiet sapphire
get boundless spirit and see how that affects the duration of power surge
rich grove
shibbidy shibbit
you have double your spirit
autumn field
lets do the math rq
quiet sapphire
oh god surge of power also provides a good chunk of spirit power to power surge specifically
rich grove
yes surge of power surges power surge
surge of power is your power spike on power surge
quiet sapphire
what
you're telling me i can use surge of power on my power surge
to give power surge a surge of power
rich grove
yo dawg we heard you liked
quiet sapphire
i can feel the power surging
autumn field
165 FUCKING SPIRIT POWER
autumn field
ok that explains it
rich grove
*oh spirit snatch affects everyone hit huh*
sounds like your spirit got snatched
rich grove
🫵🤣
merry verge
i'm just like 'why does this sometimes do like double damage'
autumn field
20 seconds or so of duration, 33 seconds of CD before using sup duration, or trans cooldown
rich grove
so just buy spirit snatch at 3200
quiet sapphire
with spirit snatch
rich grove
I used to unironically main it
quiet sapphire
her fixation also has spirit scaling
rich grove
the spirit fixation scaling is pretty bad because once you max fixation it doesn't do anymore
quiet sapphire
i... think
merry verge
spirit also amps her mag so she just randomly gets like
they could maybe be clearer about these kinda passives
quiet sapphire
her smoke cloud also has movement speed spirit scaling
rich grove
sorry once you max fixation stacks on a target
merry verge
this sort of business is why i keep Doorman Ulting you, Haze
rich grove
you just double knife and then fuck off
autumn field
quiet sapphire
all you have to do is walk. through. that door.
autumn field
oh huh
rich grove
and then have a mediocre m1 to play around in between the 12ish second cd
quiet sapphire
it was funny
autumn field
so yeah, she gets like, 40 bullets from full spirit
rich grove
yep
quiet sapphire
knife again
quiet sapphire
ANOTHER HEAVY MELEE
rich grove
its mad funny
merry verge
that's Doorman Cart now
rich grove
you will get flamed for running it but it is genuinely fairly effective
especially with tankbuster
quiet sapphire
it was funny
merry verge
Echo Shard is just like
quiet sapphire
their grey talon was tweaking though
rich grove
havent played it since those halcyon days but im sure it only got better now we're in spirit meta
merry verge
it's so goddamn good (sometimes)
quiet sapphire
but then we got the haze player on our team playing drifter
autumn field
love how this thing scales with like, 0 modifier
quiet sapphire
and owned the next game
quiet sapphire
you really don't want like
autumn field
i pray not
quiet sapphire
a 1.5 second wake up time
merry verge
accursed status
rich grove
and it gets scaled with extended duration lol
so you're actually not even remotely safe
I think even with debuff remover you still get enough stun time to get true combod
quiet sapphire
when the wake up time is long enough for you to get 2 heavy melees in
rich grove
pretty funny
autumn field
is a 0.3 second wakeup that scary?
quiet sapphire
so SLEEP --> HEAVY MELEE --> HEAVY MELEE --> SLEEP --> HEAVY MELEE --> HEAVY MELEE
imagine
silliness
rich grove
do you want to be fullstunned for that long while getting wailed on
quiet sapphire
no
autumn field
no, but im curious
rich grove
at a hundred spirit you get 0.8s sleeptime with echo shard
autumn field
oh ic
autumn field
i never deal with players good enough to use that
rich grove
well it's a bit of a meme
and fairly unconventional
but I mean if you wanna get really good with knives
as an ex-ana player I do love a sexy sleep dart play
autumn field
i would probably play more vindicta if her sniper wasnt so weird to use due to having like 3x zoom
rich grove
the life one must lead to be put off by a sniper with 3x zoom
merry verge
the sniper mains lingering on Vindicta are legitimate nightmares
it's so potent
and then Giant AoEs And Burning to back it up
girl has a mission and is on it
rich grove
vindicta just grills for gods sake
thats it
I wish she sniped
but no
strictly suboptimal to do that
merry verge
new hair's nice
autumn field
i would actually love her if she was a 1.5x sniper kinda gal
autumn field
but ig that's grey talon
rich grove
you're gonna turn me into a boomer jesus christ my favourite sniper in destiny was 5x
and in apex I ran the 4-8
merry verge
Vindicta is using the first sniper rifle ever built ok
rich grove
I'm morbing out
merry verge
She's doing her damnedest
rich grove
3x is too high???????? shorter than... I think everything in destiny actually
actually was revoker a 3 or 3.5
hm
in any case nobody uses it anymore thank god
autumn field
these days my favorite build is a 1x sniper
as long as my dot is small enough ill tap you across the map and i love that
i dont hit every shot but i can just keep going until you die, and you cant see me without the glint, because you can only see movement :3
autumn field
you're gonna turn me into a boomer jesus christ my favourite sniper in destiny w...
ok in all fairness im an outlier in the games i play
the one game i do play (havent in a while) is a low poly gun game, so i dont need to worry about obstructions, maps arent very big, and the glint is insane
so the optimal move is a 1x due to it having the least blocked vision
rich grove
to be clear I agree that it's probably optimal to be running low zoom
autumn field
oh lol
rich grove
I just get sad
I have been known to engage in a little silliness with a red dot sentinel many a time
do a little bit of goofing
autumn field
its also because i dont like adjusting sens based on scope size
rich grove
yeah definitely the worst part of destiny's one thousand zoom levels
autumn field
so for me its easier, optimal, and just more fun that way
i like, genuinely hate high zoom because it feels so much harder to aim and it makes movements seem too big in smaller maps like deadlock's
that being said though, abrams, is his gameplan really just "tank a lot"?
it feels like most of what he does is get close and then soak damage
autumn field
mmm
he sounds like he'd excel more mid-late game when your team can rushdown and wants to hit the patron hard and fast
merry verge
Gun also hurts if you build it
At least used to not sure now
Early game isn't bad either especially if your lane partner is on top of your shoulder charges
You can really drag folks
merry verge
She seems hardest to play of the Gun Carries
autumn field
shes really fun, having 6 innate stamina is wild
the easiest way to abuse it is burst fire fleet foot, you get so much ammo out of it
combine with intensifiers, more firerate, etc
splitshot is also really good for bad aim lol
lots of nerfs
merry verge
New Heroes seem to release in a bit of a state
Tho Mina still seems to be struggling
autumn field
mina is an oppressive fuck if played right
shes SCARY
(and hot, but like, half the cast is kinda hot)
merry verge
I do love her color scheme though
And impressed they had two vampires and kept them so like apart thematically and whatall
autumn field
whose the other?
merry verge
Drifter
He's living that Gangrel VTM life to the extent folks thought he was a wolfman
also hot, very different hot
autumn field
mmm
merry verge
He also gets passive stacks off of activating Victor's Ult, I... don't know if that's intended
autumn field
*He also gets passive stacks off of activating Victor's Ult, I... don't know if ...
oh i dont think that should be
feral umbra
man, Drifter and Paige can really run a table, huh
even a terrible one can just self shield and left click
shy quiver
agile void
he looks like a hobo and if you see that face in the alley way you are either getting some organs stolen or worse
maiden ledge
I'm more enamored with the evil ass masher name that's a 🔥 hobo name
merry verge
I'm glad they re-stretched his smile a bit
Also they could maybe make his 2 not have infinite range
maiden ledge
yeah that's my gripe too
merry verge
(Plus it would make buying range increases feel less wasteful )
Because getting more AoE on rend is kind of hilarious
The Width
merry verge
somewhat random thought but I don't think I've seen Mirage in any games yet, is he strugglin or just niche or both
agile void
somewhat random thought but I don't think I've seen Mirage in *any* games yet, i...
there is literally 6 new heroes, that is a whole team
merry verge
I fought one the other day but yeah BillyVictor kind of stepped into his space
rich grove
@finite patrol holy shit they buffed shiv
rich grove
Silence Wave: Spirit Power Reduction increased from -18 to -24
- Silence Wave: Silence duration reduced from 3.75 to 3.25
- Silence Wave: Width increased by 10%
autumn field
rich grove
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU
STOP IT
STOP BUFFING THIS ITEM
Focus Lens: Now deals damage whenever the debuff is removed rather than only on expire
oh
oh.
oh.
oh.
autumn field
What happen
rich grove
so before this item was dogshit
autumn field
(I don’t use this)
rich grove
just truly awful
the item silenced and then after the silence wore off they took a portion of all damage taken during the silence
so you could IN THEORY burst someone down while they were silenced then they'd get immediately pummeled again by all that damage afterwards
autumn field
I see
rich grove
now this was obviously dogshit because it got hard countered by debuff remover
they orchid you, you remove debuff, ggs
zero damage
now even if they debuff remover you still get some of the damage
autumn field
Also seems like they kinda buffed doorman
rich grove
I'll say if they're just really fast on the remover trigger then this does nothing
autumn field
Reduced dmg, but increased spirit scaling, and fixed the jump into the cac
rich grove
because having 0.02s of damage proc instead of 0 is not much better
autumn field
Noted
inb4 “silences active items as well”
Sounds like debuff remover is very important no matter what though
rich grove
it actively adds fun to the game proportionate to the amount of debuffs it reduces
upbeat perch
bkb equivalent being important in moba is kind of a genre convention
merry verge
Mina buffs pretty big
autumn field
I’m not soulsy enough to get more than maybe 1 T4 if I try hard
merry verge
Hex is T2!
finite patrol
good. it needed it
autumn field
Hex is T2!
Oh huh
Right, it is
But I’m still going maybe 23k tops in most games
Not great
rich grove
little bit of mmr diff here I think
merry verge
Couldn't even give 'em one, the cruelty
finite patrol
if you die as shiv you lose the game
merry verge
this explains my inability to win with shiv
rich grove
many many men
rich grove
their entire team was just not very good
also I was in perma teamfight mode because of the character I am
merry verge
the resets must happen
rich grove
she legitimately just 1v2ed an entire lane all the way to base guardians
despite that lane being... infernus and vindicta?
somber creek
I'm not super happy with the patch balancing
rich grove
I get vindicta stake got nerfed but as paige what are you going to do against the Goons when you get staked in infernus dash and lose 55% of your hp
somber creek
I think Doorman still needs significantly more nerfing than -10 damage on 1 like c'mon
Also absolutely GUTTING holiday
rich grove
idk what they were thinking recognising that holliday is a lane dictator and then letting doorman and yamato go largely unchecked
merry verge
Holliday was sort of good at absolutely everything no
somber creek
A pro player didn't complain about it so I guess it's fine
merry verge
Wild that they took out the option for tanks to bail on the Baroness
that's a big buffe
rich grove
dgmw holliday is batshit insane but doorman is also just release holliday 2
merry verge
clearly needs even slower bullets
rich grove
so much of his kit is infuriating in all the ways holliday 1.0 was and I think the only relevant weakness he got in addition was making his gun not also SSS-tier
somber creek
Which like, even then
rich grove
which is a weakness but like cmon
merry verge
his hard CC is pretty buried under point-getting
cart without points just kind of
nudges ya
finite patrol
also they BUFFED SILENCE WAVE
this seems like a nerf? duration down 3.75-3.25, spirit power reduction up 33% and aoe up a little 10%?
somber creek
He can automatically take someone out of a fight with a point and click
rich grove
you think forced movement that stuns you for the entirety of the runtime is mediocre on its own
like ignoring the 1.5s extra stun he gets at t5
you think curse that also knocks back is mid?
somber creek
What if Mo And Krill could act after half a second after ulting you but you were stunned for the whole duration
rich grove
so level 0 no items 0.5s curse 0 armtime is fine
like talon trap is also fairly annoying but needing either arm time or him to spend a 1 on popping it instead of doing 500 to you is somewhat reasonable
pretty big opportunity cost on that
but idk how else you're meant to describe being entirely unactionable as long as you get hit with the cart if not curse, but actually better than curse because you don't even get to press your WASD keys
rich grove
I don't even think debuff remover reduces it like holliday or mo ult because it's wholly dependent on the caster isn't it
like you can't debuff remover your way out of black hole
as long as you're in it you're getting the stun applied to you
rich grove
cart isn't the annoying thing because they're all annoying things
that's why he's release holliday 2
somber creek
the Bell is so incredibly easy to spam and impossible to dodge
rich grove
we do so love getting dinged for 150 in lane
rich grove
ah true you're right
somber creek
This will fix it
surely
Also I think they really just need to change Paige's 1 to an aoe
somber creek
the way it work currently just kinda sucks for most people
merry verge
her 3 sort of makes up for how awkward it is to hit
because it's just Immobilize This Whole Teamfight
somber creek
well the problem with it is that it's like
All the immobilize in the world doesn't matter if the 1 bounces off Nothing
rich grove
it probably shouldn't feel like it has a 50/50 chance of not casting
just as a general rule
merry verge
i'm not saying they shouldn't fix it
rich grove
also makes it really tedious to farm in tight spaces
merry verge
just that making it Alchemist Fire The Ability feels eh
rich grove
there's that one medium on left-hand side
somber creek
I mean I like Paige's kit but I also feel like she feels so out of place in the game
rich grove
where if you try to throw it to catch all the creeps it's guaranteed to bounce off the ceiling and directly back into the corner to hit for 0
somber creek
She feels like Just A League Character
finite patrol
me seeing the book bounce off an invisible corner 5 feet away from the textures
hey the cart catches on invisible walls or walls that it looks like it should go past all the time!
it's fiiiiine
merry verge
the cart, pocket's coat, drifter 2, minabats
rich grove
so it's a buff at level 3--
merry verge
stuff loves hittin things
somber creek
Bebop's hook certainly fuckin' doesn't
merry verge
Bebop is a special boy
his arm is made of magic
the game decides whether the grab would be funny at the moment or not
finite patrol
yeah hook, power shot, and Yamato sword don't give a SHIT about walls
somber creek
I get really tilted by projectiles in the game where I feel like im doing the correct thing
And just get punished regardless
finite patrol
if the ability has power in its name it ignores walls I don't make the rules
merry verge
Bell does kind of make Geist Bomb look sad
rich grove
geist aoe is even weirder than para bomb because doesnt geist bomb genuinely theoretically respect los
rich grove
and yet
merry verge
i feel like i've been Parabombed twice ever
somber creek
I sometimes get clipped once
merry verge
gahd i wish i enjoyed playing her, the styles, the bulbhead
somber creek
Scottish...
merry verge
the scottish..
rich grove
I just hear horizon from apex
merry verge
it's very her
rich grove
its just not possible to unhear it
somber creek
Paradox feels like a character does everything she tries to do so much better
For each ability
rich grove
well that character used to be Holliday
I'm not sure how true that is anymore
we'll see
somber creek
I mean more like
Her AoE clear is done better by Geist or holiday
Her wall is done better by mcginnis
Her snipe is done better by Grey talon and vindicta
Her ult is done better by bebop or doorman
And nothing in her kit really feels like it fits together
rich grove
huh, really
I feel like once you get ult it's just a really straightforward combo character
land 3, 2, 4 or 4 then 2 depending on distance
somber creek
Yeah but in most teamfights why the hell would you want to swap into the middle of their team
Like theres a reason urgot got his ult changed
rich grove
the answer is generally you swap to kill iso targets with unreactable damage ideally, but also if you sac as paradox for their m1 that's generally a big trade up
somber creek
Sac?
agile void
Her AoE clear is done better by Geist or holiday
Her wall is done better by mcg...
Its pretty weird to say that mcginnis and paradox walls are the same but better
rich grove
if you swap their carry into your team and both you and their carry die then that's better for you on the whole than it is them