with good positioning you can basically smash someone over the head with the barrel and the melee for a disgusting amount of damage
#Deadlock
rich grove
autumn field
now i wanna fuck with it in sandbox
rich grove
if you also land on them from the bounce pad jump it's genuinely just joever for the majority of the cast
autumn field
she sounds simultaneously easy and hellish
rich grove
high skill ceiling on her
in return for requiring a good amount of hands, you basically just have the strengths of every good pick character without any other tradeoffs
autumn field
damn.
quiet sapphire
veil walker holliday is funny
you walk out of the sewers and kidnap someone
like a real sewer gremlin
i should build veil walker in place of fortitude more
test it out
it's pretty fun
rich grove
paradox's ability to haul them into your team for an almost-guaranteed kill without necessarily having to sac yourself too, in-built interrupt for telegraphed channeled ults like seven or haze, enormous burst damage, incredible escape ability and team mobility bonus, high uptime on her kill combo because every component is a charged ability, unplayable lane opponent
rich grove
if you can believe it I think this is the most nerfed state she has ever been in
quiet sapphire
yeah
feral umbra
Holliday or Geist?
quiet sapphire
holliday
rich grove
holliday
feral umbra
Oh god she was worse?
quiet sapphire
oh yeah
autumn field
turns out warp stone lets holi's ult schling someone
rich grove
she used to stun for 1.5s on impact at maximum bounce pad haha
you can imagine how much fun people were having with that one
quiet sapphire
why did the bounce pads ever stun
feral umbra
Jesus
quiet sapphire
it was so funny tho
rich grove
yoshi does a little trolling
feral umbra
Did it let others stun as well or only Holliday
quiet sapphire
one shot people on release holliday
quiet sapphire
Did it let others stun as well or only Holliday
aha.
i think only you do the explosion?
yeah just tested it in sandbox
can't... exactly remember if your teammates used to also do the ground slam
but
quiet sapphire
yeah i think it's always been only you do the ground slam
very silly damage those days
the shop rework was only 4 months ago?
it feels like ages
autumn field
looks like holi's clips are all something like, jumppad -> get into enemies, barrel bomb, lasso everyone -> let any big aoe nuke them all
or just headshot everyone
nigt
feral umbra
Have you done any good scooby doo shit yet
autumn field
anyways night
feral umbra
Night night
feral umbra
I wanna see one with a viscous ult just knock people over every half second
quiet sapphire
viscous ult can't fit through doors 😔
rich grove
that's so sad
feral umbra
NO
rich grove
i was really hoping you could set up the doors facing each other
feral umbra
That’s bullshit
rich grove
then just have viscoos roll through ad infinitum
feral umbra
I’ve seen one kill someone with wraith cards
rich grove
AHHAH
feral umbra
I’ve done it, Chuck a card through and then move my aim back to whip it around and dunno someone lmao
Dome*
I know splatter from viscous works for funny things
quiet sapphire
i actually had a 300iq play
rich grove
Doorman Gaming
quiet sapphire
where someone ran into like a closed building
and talon was ulting
so i opened a door outside and then chased inside, opened another door
told talon to "USE THE DOORS"
quiet sapphire
the bird comes for us all
feral umbra
I’ve heard of Vindicta snipes though the doors
Someone on my team called it The Second Gunman, which I thought was kinda funny
I like it when a dumb gimmick gets a name
rich grove
fuck hahaha
feral umbra
That’s the Holliday version
Oh I bet a Bebop hook through the door is the most satisfying thing
rich grove
i actually don't know if that would work
feral umbra
Just watching a teammate get abducted into the literal walls and then sent to Uncle Touchy’s Naked Puzzle Basement, never to be seen again
rich grove
the range doesn't measure 'through the door', it measures from the player locations
idk though
quiet sapphire
yeah I have a feeling it would like
hook but the hook would get stuck trying to pull someone through a wall
feral umbra
I wanna try it now
I gotta drive home now but maybe if I get the chance later I’ll report back
rich grove
the range doesn't measure 'through the door', it measures from the player locati...
e.g. if you shoot someone 60m away in the real world through a door 10m away through a portal, you will get weapon falloff at 60m and not 10m despite the bullets only travelling 10m
this is pretty similar to how e.g. soldier bombs worked in tf2
quiet sapphire
bebop hook actually pulls through door
tested it
i guess it makes sense
they probable have a check for bebop's hook if it came from a door
and pulls enemy --> door and then door --> bebop
instead of enemy --> bebop
lethal mica
merry verge
If only Mina and Vyper swapped teams, could've been The New Folk
Solid tho
Also just noticed the pipes leading out of spawn, that's nice
Feels like being on a playground
quiet sapphire
cultist sacrifice + trophy collector is my current guilty pleasure right now
runic cedar
i uhhh had a good match
rich grove
disappointed we didn't get whatsapp abrams this patch
near current
HOLY FUCK HIS ULT ANIMATION IS SO FUCKING SICK
rich grove
wait
100% health?
like all of it?
all of the health? all of it? all the health?
and then you get div kevlar
near current
aw man cheat death activates even if u have ult
getting silenced is gonna be PAINFUL
i better not see u mfs queuing victor
merry verge
I think the ult works through silence
dull valve
does upgrading to a higher tier item cost less compared to just buying it outright?
near current
I think the ult works through silence
oh youre right
near current
does upgrading to a higher tier item cost less compared to just buying it outrig...
you only have to pay for the additional cost
so going from extra health to fortitude is 2400
autumn field
I assume his build is basically “maximize HP, get into enemy faces, just slaughter them and never fucking die”
autumn field
so im trying a dash build on infernus, his gameplan being "run into enemies, run out" is really funny
agile void
getting silenced is gonna be PAINFUL
funny detail
your ult bypasses Curse and silence
you are NOT stopping him from ulting
merry verge
lmao idk if it's just my lack of playing or what but every single time I queue as someone I want it's happened, but half the folk streaming on youtube aren't able to
short quiver
dull valve
hmmm, paige seems a little harder to lane with since she can't annoy other heroes as effectively
also has the same issue where she can't shake off chasers
rich grove
I think if her 1 worked itd be a little easier
that said though idk spawning in an extra 200 hp that buffs your m1 carry is uhhhhhhh insane
lavish grove
They changed drifter’s face
merry verge
A'right I'm officially on team 'Nerf Viktor Right Away'
i kind of miss the excessive grin
finite patrol
They changed drifter’s face
Drifter nerfs again 
merry verge
They're cleaning up his animations nicely though
And I swear the blood on his arms is more detailed
tame jay
They changed drifter’s face
his joy...gone...
merry verge
A'right I'm officially on team 'Nerf Viktor Right Away'
Well turns out they've already done that supposedly, takes full damage from his aura, 100% life from his ult is now the T2 bonus, starts at 60%, some others
dull valve
that said though idk spawning in an extra 200 hp that buffs your m1 carry is uhh...
yeah she definitely works, but imo it's better to go for her 1 early and rely on teammates to confirm
i tried a build that went for 2 first and it's a bit pointless unless you have an early game diver as a lane partner
btw, i've seen some people swap lanes at the start of the game, how do you do that? if i'm playing paige i don't want to be stuck with another passive character like viscous or something
finite patrol
when on the rails, there is a little crossover glyph below everyones name
click on that to request a lane swap
dull valve
yeah my consistent feeling is that if a tank character like drifter or bebop gets going they're kinda unstoppable tbh
merry verge
Having just played a 'movespeed is a fun stat' drifter that ended up with around 4k HP: yeah, yeah, yeah
also that boy can run
he's a lot more shut-downable early now though, they keep hittin' that
Lotta Billies start getting real predictable with the Heavy Melee huh
merry verge
i love that items are so potent you can run 'gun____'
maiden ledge
i think im slowly beginning to feel out this sorta "deadlock" thing
maiden ledge
i love that items are so potent you can run 'gun____'
pretty much lmao
merry verge
gun ivy is a romp
like the abilities are good even without scaling
also rat with a tommy gun
maiden ledge
apparently people keep telling me to toss the kudzu and i toss it and then i win
dull valve
kudzu is one of those abilities that can carry a whole laning phase by itself
it's good later on too, don't get me wrong, but early game you can basically shut down the enemy's ability to lane
victor also seems very good early game, presumably cause you can unlock your 4 first and just go apeshit pushing the enemy back during laning
my last game i got laned haaaard as paige+mina vs. drifter and victor
dull valve
it was just a straight outplay, the drifter was very good at baiting you to come close and it's easy to underestimate his 1 in the early game haha
dull valve
yep! should've swapped tbh, but i figured 'oh she's a damage dealer, she can punish them'
merry verge
lot of 'oh, she died-' Rends
dull valve
actually mina seems very fragile early game in general
dull valve
Victor's gun just also hurts like hell for some reason
i thought it was just me!
merry verge
early game it's his gun lategame it's that aura
maiden ledge
ive noticed my friend playing him has a lot of fun just stomping around
merry verge
goddamn nightmare dps later on
dull valve
but no, he's great at just fucking, sitting in the lane and chunking you and not giving a shit if he gets shot back
maiden ledge
mcginnis victor could be annoying to lane against
merry verge
ivy victor, dynamo victor..
maiden ledge
victor victor
dull valve
i think the only mcginnis' i've seen in the 2 days i've played have been me
merry verge
good god kelvin victor
maiden ledge
buble
dull valve
i am imagining a victor+dynamo combo and shuddering
i also gotta try some funny crossmap tricks with paige's ult, but the dimensions are smaller than you'd think they are
dull valve
or rather, the map is bigger than you think it is
dynamo is one of those characters who i need to put in the time to get good with tbh
merry verge
yeaaah in terms of 'whole map' her ult is a damn arrow
maiden ledge
dynamo is one of those characters who i need to put in the time to get good with...
im personally going to try investing in glocket, ivy, and uhh
idk. mcginnis?
how do i counter curse stun etc
curse stun hex
the likes
do i keep like
baiting it out
or
is there a specific play
dull valve
mcginnis has a low floor, since i can play her semi-competently
not sure what high-level mcginnis play would look like, i mean aside from the wall she doesn't really have any tech-y abilities afaik
excellent laner though, you can just pop a few turrets down and then fuck off and jungle
maiden ledge
lmao yeah
someone rec'd a debuff mcginnis and i like that
i think my issue is that i always want to run in so im not playing as good with deginnis as i could be
where im using someone as a point and im just artillery
but since it's bot matches i dont get yelled at so im happy
dull valve
ahhh i'm a shy backliner so mcginnis works well for me
maiden ledge
ahhh i'm a shy backliner so mcginnis works well for me
i need to learn the patience
dull valve
i need to learn the patience
i'm just not decisive enough to make plays happen (unless i've been drinking, then i'm uninhibited enough lol)
maiden ledge
essentially what my brain goes through during a deadlock match
i love making plays
i am so easily baited
rich grove
holy shit the emergency nerfs literally happened midgame
merry verge
wait like.. they hit the person playing?
rich grove
well no but I was in the middle of a game when they emergency tapped vic
merry verge
ahh yeahyeah
rich grove
4 no longer procs lightning scroll and no longer heals him 100% at level 0
which yknow huge
merry verge
they hit drifty again too
rich grove
the first time I read that in-game I spent a solid minute just asking ther est of my stack "100%?"
"like all of his health?"
merry verge
huge same
rich grove
"100% of his health? all of it? 100% of it?"
merry verge
"wait, just, twice? you have to do it twice?"
it feels less heinous in DOTA for some reason
rich grove
merry verge
well i guess skeleton king can't fuckin doublejump
rich grove
I am a little sad you can't lightning scroll
I get why
3.2s of stun on top of 100% revive at t2 is still quite good
merry verge
that didn't seem too overpowered but i guess upgraded version is chonky
rich grove
character wants to build a shit fuck of more range items
merry verge
didn't thinkaboutthat
rich grove
it also just gives him so much guaranteed uninteractable damage on 3
rich grove
we are firmly in spirit meta rn with the latest crop of characters
rich grove
I get it because gun paige is very good and funny once you get online
merry verge
i get the appeal
rich grove
and also because her 1 is genuinely nonfunctional 75% of the time
merry verge
yeaaaah
rich grove
but also jesus fucking christ
rich grove
vortex web 3 1 alc fire 1 rotation dealt 7300 damage with dragon alone once
merry verge
lordt
rich grove
she doesnt fuck around
rich grove
she's a crazy crazy good caster
rich grove
but she'll likely go under radar for a while cause she's a pos5 and she doesn't ruin people's fun quite as much as kevin
dude idk what the fuck they were thinking giving her 200 shield she can cast from any range at level 0 that also buffs weapon damage but support gamers gotta eat
merry verge
so much weapon damage
rich grove
actually just warden 2
not to be confused with the shield itself resembling warden's 2
rich grove
heard you liked roots
so we put a slow on your root so you can slow to root and then you can also get rooted
finite patrol
Paige warden sounds fucked up
rich grove
and slowed
merry verge
having 20ms does make their whole shit a lot harder to hit me with
rich grove
one game I played paige warden mo
finite patrol
that's like Kevin geist tier
rich grove
and uh
merry verge
idk how criminals like mo and krill still roam free
rich grove
we would legitimately just roam the map as a 3-stack and build our own black hole on a 30-second cooldown
loooooove playing paige even if she does suffer a bit from standard pos5 weakness of "you do need your team to be able to look at the screen"
she really doesn't fuck up your team comp nearly as much as some other supports do if you get her in a stack though
surprisingly durable even if you probably shouldn't be soaking damage, amazing damage output and space control on her own, gamewinning potential on ult
they cooked with her
she's also sufficiently self-sufficient with her kit that I can comfortable flex itemization to whatever the team needs, which is my favourite part of deadlock
face-rolling my keyboard and pressing active items
merry verge
i haven't found a caster I've clicked with exactly
finite patrol
paiges heavy melee scaling with spirit is so funny
dull valve
oh
merry verge
wait, Doorman, I'm silly
merry verge
Always Be Sliding
rich grove
yes haha
if you're not schlidin on viper you're playing 0.003 of a character
kit totally fucks up without the infinite ammo cause her base mag size is smelly
merry verge
it does make me forget how much ammo i actually have
rich grove
and her fire rate is yes
dull valve
i figured her for a scoot n shoot type, i had no idea how she was supposed to be effective with that mag
rich grove
our lord and savior fleetfoot 🙏
merry verge
i feel like folks undervalue Movin Real Fast
fleetfoot has always felt great
but maybe i just browse bad builds because it's hard to tell which are the bad ones /coff
rich grove
ofc we did just come out of hard gun meta so that skewed the perception of the item but for Those Who Slide it's so often a mustbuy
finite patrol
every character gets infinite ammo while sliding so e.g. fighting from your guardian stairs in lane is advantageous
rich grove
even if you're not viper, a lot of m1s are balanced around the ability to cheat your magsize especially early
e.g. infernus' mag is somewhat mediocre but if you chuck in a slide down the stairs every once in a while in lane, suddenly you'll have way more bullets to spend
merry verge
precious quicksilver reload
dull valve
i need to put some time into health-based characters
i need to actually try winning 1v1s sometime
i am also gonna be sliding a lot more than parrying so i should probably rebind parry off m5 too
short quiver
Hasn't been a day and they already nerfed Victor lol
somber creek
He sucked to fight
autumn field
How are you supposed to play drifter?
warped ridge
if you don't drift he should be called walker
somber creek
Kill isolated targets very quickly with weapon damage
autumn field
I need to learn how to kill
Also I’m not too certain if bots play jungle / off lanes
feral umbra
They don’t typically jungle, but they kind of cheat a bit wrt souls last I played bots
autumn field
They don’t typically jungle, but they kind of cheat a bit wrt souls last I playe...
Yeah I was like, “I have the same 2 kills as them, why do they have double my souls???”
feral umbra
Kills doesn’t mean soul lead
I had a game with a viscous who was 8 and 1 and 10k souls behind me who was 0 and 4 on Wraith; unless those kills get you objectives they’re worth about a single wave’s worth of souls a piece
Well actually the first kill is worth a lot more but after that it’s not as much as you think
And yeah Bots cheat because otherwise they’d be no threat whatsoever
autumn field
what difficulty did you play on
I think medium or hard
And no, I got bored after like 15 minutes and left
autumn field
why did you play bots? lol
i just wanted to figure out who feels fun
but i got bored
also wanted to try drifter
warped ridge
I thought you can do sandbox and hotswap between them
autumn field
im not too certain how to secure kills, ttk is a bit too long relative to what im used to
autumn field
I thought you can do sandbox and hotswap between them
doesnt feel the same as against someone
warped ridge
bots aren't people though
autumn field
a bot > live match i cant leave that takes 40+ minutes because my mmr is shit (and i get tired)
warped ridge
I mean true, unless you queue with people you can't get surrenders to happen
warped ridge
I mean it's not a bad idea to practice
but if you're not practicing or you get bored it's better to just play live
autumn field
just trying to find someone who i can like, use without feeling off
i get bored because a match is 40 minutes like i said
warped ridge
that's an entirely different thing
unfortunately there's no like, arena mode in deadlock to goof around with builds
autumn field
bots are also somewhat boring after like, 15 minutes but it's a leave friendly mode
so, bots
warped ridge
so it'll be hard to tell how characters feel outside live matches or if you can get to end game in a bot match which Idk how long that takes
autumn field
i mean
like i said
im just trying to find someone i like
because the only one who i do like doesnt work at my skill rating
warped ridge
who is that?
autumn field
lash
warped ridge
ehh
I'd say you can play him at any skill rating
MMR should adjust you to better matches eventually
autumn field
i mean like
im at the level of where getting kills isn't easy, and my teammates dont comm ever
bots comm more than teammates
maiden ledge
for me I'm at a point where if i solo q or dup q into a bot match, i can clean up in 20+- like
5ish minutes
are there any specific playstyles you like in other shooters?
--also a lot of what affects the match ime is soul lead and the macrogame which blehhh but at least it's not like the endgoal for the skill ceiling is point and click better
merry verge
I need to be better at crossing the map and knowing when to jungle
maiden ledge
me too
my main issue now is rotation
teamfight picking and choosing my battles and downtime
dull valve
ok, the absolute main thing that makes a difference for me as paige is whether or not i'm facing a melee rusher in lane seems like
maiden ledge
rebuttal could be good as a deterrent
dull valve
if i lane against a drifter or a billy or a bebop my side of it inevitably goes poorly
merry verge
Bebop is a bit of a different animal but for Drifter his autos literally have a max range
If you stay out of close range he's like 1/3rd as effective
Learning to parry is absolutely gamechanging tho
maiden ledge
if you have real teammates you can also swap lanes to a better matchup
merry verge
Love having Paige as a lane partner
Sure I'll take 250 shield and like +30% at level 1, sure
maiden ledge
Yippie!!!
free Everything
deadlock is probably the only game where I've found that the bot matches are actually making me better
merry verge
The initial learning curve is p big
dull valve
yeah drifter is manageable. billy is annoying but if you can cut him down early you can manage. bebop and lash are like, dedicated paige killers
also shocked by what a vyper who knows what they're doing can pull off, literally facetanking you while sliding with infinite ammo
agile void
@maiden ledge depending on what is your region maybe we can play together on a real match
agile void
No, its because Im from south america
I ask because Im pretty sure Im the only one from there in this place
maiden ledge
ah
yeah im in north america
even then
im not
how people say, experienced
im still hitting da books
maiden ledge
my fear in solo queue is teaming with a random haze main
merry verge
I feel like I haven't Not fought haze since returning to the game
i don' get it, i feel like four other characters have a more fun version of her kit
agile void
I keep saying, we should try havinga buchn of deadlock matches here
near current
playing victor and going "woah you guys smell that" "whats making that smell?" every minute
maiden ledge
im down to play, just do not expect competency from me lol
magic summit
hmmm, paige seems a little harder to lane with since she can't annoy other heroe...
Level 1 first and first point in it then just run up and sword people constantly
You win trades against most people just doing that. Also with confirming you can get a timing so that the sword is inside the soul during the confirm window
If nothing else use your shield to buff yourself then just heavy melee the creeps since your heavy melee is strong
I usually rush high velocity then monster rounds to further just bully any laner out
maiden ledge
I think i should just run spellbreaker every build
these curses and hexes and sleeps are kicking my ass
i miss wiping out lanes i should play mcginnis again
near current
these curses and hexes and sleeps are kicking my ass
debuff resist
maiden ledge
debuff resist 🤤
somber creek
Im surprisingly good at Kelvin
lavish grove
I wanna play Victor but I can’t until Monday…
lavish grove
merry verge
This is the first time he's been off his game it's astonishing
warm sonnet
Sinclair is the perfect character
- Cheats
- Runs away
- No Face
- Wizard
twilit roost
• bnuyy
warm sonnet
Noted in point 2
merry verge
Two Wizards
finite patrol
Sinclair is extremely high levels of asshole wizard
rich grove
I hope they never change the mannequin model it's so fucking funny
genuinely perfect design
autumn field
man i kinda love playing victor
near current
im 6 for 6 on him so far
autumn field
hes probably op but damn being able to just deal stupid aoe damage and self heal is fun asf
bruh
thats friggin epic
having builds with tips
finite patrol
the buildmaking system is really solid
near current
i wish it was easier to climb
autumn field
turns out the optimal victor build straight up cannot die
autumn field
here
near current
ethereal shift also felt better than expected
autumn field
im just looking at one of the most popular pub builds for him
finite patrol
60 minute game
near current
yeah i know im disagreeing with the build itself
autumn field
huh, why?
near current
mystic regen isnt that good
u can try it a couple times and see how much healing it does
autumn field
heals for about 60
(versus a seven)
just looking at exclusively how much it heals vs 1 enemy, while 3 is active
not exactly an "ideal" comparison but just looking at the numbers
the radiant version adds about 80 healing total, no other items, obvs
near current
if u go into post-game graphs u can see how much healing it did
autumn field
oh shit really
near current
yeah
10% over the course of the game is decent theres just stuff id rather pick up over
youre already healing a lot so its just a drop in the lake
could probably test it more and it might edge out in certain cases
but getting resists just feels better
near current
10% over the course of the game is decent theres just stuff id rather pick up ov...
(also this 10% is in combat, so its more useful, meanwhile im just using jumpstarts off-cooldown)
autumn field
ah shit, bot matches dont have graphs
and i dont think i tried that build before
ok but the valve build had it
near current
also i fucking LOVE torment pulse
autumn field
what the hell does this mean
victor with torment pulse and scourge sounds incredibly hilarious
does refresher refresh ults?
near current
what the hell does this mean
no clue but i like this build
autumn field
i know his builds all NEED rapid recharge
near current
does refresher refresh ults?
it does!
near current
enchanters emblem also feels awesome
autumn field
you could do some really fucking weird stuff with that
i feel like i should just make my own build
for funsies
near current
for sure
near current
you could do some really fucking weird stuff with that
yeah it just sucks it doesnt do anything for his 1 and 3
autumn field
I’m not good enough to make a “great” build but it’s fun
Too bad it’s probably gonna be fuckin impossible for me to get to play him today
near current
tbh learning a moba is the most fun part for me
bc everything seems so fantastical
like when i started league the map and items seemed super awesome
and after a while the cracks show
its a different kind of fun eventually
near current
try it out
autumn field
if this works right, it should mean free slow + damage
rich grove
it's not as good as you'd like because it only hits one guy and then goes on cd
it's also the most expensive tier of item in the game for mediocre return
near current
i should change my steam name to "Lanes give more souls than camps"
autumn field
i have 0 clue how to play, if you wanna play with me
maiden ledge
very late for me,,
near current
i have 0 clue how to play, if you wanna play with me
i dont mind
9RVN2 party code
near current
np
near current
its chill ive played with tons of new players
maiden ledge
urgrggghhh
near current
i just hope it doesnt bring elo too high
near current
urgrggghhh
yk u want to
maiden ledge
maybe one match wouldnt hurt my sleep schedule...
near current
aye
autumn field
done
near current
@tranquil hollow sent u the invite
maiden ledge
mmmmmmdeadlock
near current
nah she was pretty bad
merry verge
Maybe just having both in one game is fucking insufferable then
maiden ledge
What if Haze didn't exist, there's a question
i shudder to think of what other deadlockian will take her place in resident toxic magnet
merry verge
Because you have to build both defenses
at least Mina dies
Ms. Genius just builds Siphon Bullets
finite patrol
haze is a bad hero
merry verge
I'm sure they'd have beaten me as someone else but maybe I'm just tired of seeing her in literally every single game
near current
truth
merry verge
I thought this was supposed to be Seven's gimmick
oh wait no that's uncanny winrate despite also always seeming to lose
near current
haze is annoying but theres a lot of ways to fuck with her
finite patrol
haze is wayyyy overpicked
finite patrol
wraith and fern are also quite fun and are actually good at pushing obj
fern also gets a million hp
maiden ledge
who fern
merry verge
Infernus
maiden ledge
o
merry verge
also they nerfed Drifter again
near current
wraith and fern are also quite fun and are actually good at pushing obj
but haze has aura
merry verge
this is my conundrum with her
near current
and aura counts for a lot
near current
shes fun
merry verge
I prefer the other Shoot Guns Real Fast folk
near current
i do miss haze team ults
merry verge
I got my first four-person Dynamo recently and i understand the fans now
also dodging with the teleport is fun
finite patrol
but haze has aura
consider this: wraith literally has an aura that makes you shoot faster
maiden ledge
*also they nerfed Drifter again*
yaaaaay!
merry verge
/his 1 still seems kind of cracked for a single ability
but i also feel this way about Doorman
finite patrol
Bell is goated
merry verge
I don't want him to fall into a hole of being Bellboy Doorman though
now that they've nerfed the Forever Cart Stun
merry verge
hotfix vic has felt fine tbh, aura might still be a bit much lategame or somethin but it's sort of supposed to be i guess
near current
consider this: wraith literally has an aura that makes you shoot faster
trying too hard
near current
I don't want him to fall into a hole of being Bellboy Doorman though
if he had more power anywhere else is his kit itd be insufferable
runic cedar
what a wonderfull match (we all got DC'ed)
finite patrol
youre all winners
runic cedar
indeed
rich grove
gay rights
runic cedar
indeed aswell
autumn field
hmmm
so i need to learn how to get kills
but im getting better at not dying
also learned i cant play mina
autumn field
yeah mina is kinda like the cassidy of deadlock i feel like
basically someone who specced into GUN and has not much else
rich grove
that's haze...
actually haze is probably reaper function in terms of playerbase
holliday looks like a cass but has too much utility
autumn field
holliday looks like a cass but has too much utility
ya know, fair enough
haze has sleep and everything which is why i felt that way
rich grove
I was gonna say holliday = cowboy but the teleports basically act as mina's reload at higher levels
autumn field
holliday feels like ashe
finite patrol
buy compress cooldown for batform
autumn field
somewhat slow firing, high damage main, explosive thats chucked, bounce tool, main difference is the ult
merry verge
I truly don't know how every stranger is so good at aiming those damn barrels
S'like they're all thousand-hour mains
rich grove
jump melee them instead of just throwing them on the floor
instantly 10000 times easier
merry verge
melee does feel a lot easier but they could miss now and again is all
She's a bit too aim intensive for me tragically
rich grove
this infernus character might be a little dumb
merry verge
/wary squinting at Warden
rich grove
I was about this far behind him for the majority of the game and the rest of our team thought it was a really good idea to keep funneling into the guy with zero counterplay for his lightning scroll or his ult in general
I said "I'm saving for curse" in chat and then everyone else decided to jump him and kill themselves
merry verge
one of my favorite Drifter things is having the movespeed to just Bail if i hear that ult windup
absolutely cursed character
rich grove
because when you have one debuff reducer on the entire team, it turns out
Lightning Scroll pretty good
eventually their ginnis got lightning scroll too so it wouldn't really have mattered
merry verge
why does it feel like
a team of First Characters Ever
is some of the strongest in the whole game
rich grove
what
merry verge
like all the originals from the ancient beta feel potent
maybe they've just been around enough to develop reputation
rich grove
yeah I would say when they released the game initially they wanted to make sure it had playable characters
merry verge
nawh i mean like idk
i'm explaining badly
Folks have been complaining about the same characters since first release
Infernus Has Always Been Like This
Warden
autumn field
i have 0 clue how tf warden's ult manages to kill me every time
and how it works tbf
rich grove
don't stand in the pizza slice of death
autumn field
ok
rich grove
he winds up for a couple seconds during which you can stun him to interrupt him but otherwise don't stand in the giant pizza slice of death
he lifesteals 80% of all the damage it deals and it does a shit ton
merry verge
wait, Viscous is Yuri Lowenthal? I don't want to ask why exactly but like.. that seems expensive maybe for that amount of voice filter
feral umbra
Is it not uninterruptible anymore?
rich grove
no it used to be for like
one patch
and then they realized that was a horrific decision
and made it instead refund a bit of its cd
feral umbra
Yeah that was pretty funny for me, a warden player
rich grove
I remember many viscous players trying to ball me the moment they heard the channel and then completely eating shit as they phased right through me to no avail
I've genuinely seen the interrupt happen all of like
three times in my deadlock career though
feral umbra
I think Curse is just the best way to handle it
rich grove
yeh
feral umbra
Or silencing rounds and catch his bass early if you’ve got the rof to build it in time
merry verge
I was going to say, do other silences work, 6400 is a big ask for an ult response
feral umbra
I mean I’m playing a lot of big shooty people already it’s never not a flex item, probably a tough ask on like Abrams or whatever
autumn field
sometimes i wish deadlock had a hero select thing instead of a priority list
but i get the logic, does prevent instalocking
does it have some sorta system to make you more likely to get a prioritized hero over time?
rich grove
mmr basically
merry verge
Having recently dealt with trying to try new heroes in Rivals: this system is lovely
somber creek
I think it exists mainly due to alpha testing
merry verge
Also folks sure love forgetting you bought melee charge
rich grove
that and I don't think the hero pool is big enough for pick/ban
feral umbra
I’d ban Shiv every chance I got
If I get two bans, I’m banning Shiv and nobody else, if Shiv is already banned, I’m not banning anyone
tardy sundial
Feel that. The pool is too small for moba draft bans
We only just got a Warwick and a Doom variant as of last week
autumn field
If I get two bans, I’m banning Shiv and nobody else, if Shiv is already banned, ...
Why hate shiv
maiden ledge
tried some matches with a friend
merry verge
They
Need to change
Paige
it's every game
just hidden beneath the waves of how broken Drifter and Victor were
somber creek
Paige doesnt seem overpowered to me
Her main damage dealer is the least reliable thing in the game
merry verge
It's not the problem
The shield is
She makes any teammate Win The Trade And The Lane
lategame the ult is also very gamechanging
somber creek
She does not do this in my experience
And yeah she has a big aoe ult with a long cool down, those are meant to be game changing
merry verge
/gestures to Ivy Ult
somber creek
Its also easy to whiff and dodge
somber creek
Ivy ult aka "free urn"
merry verge
Also important: I miss McGinnis wearing a welding mask
new portrait is too like vogue-ing, i liked how she looked to be At Work
agile void
Ivy ult aka "free urn"
that stopped being a free urn ages ago
right now the only free urn deliverer is viscous and his consistent ult to deliver urn in 15 seconds or less
agile void
sinclair too
near current
right now the only free urn deliverer is viscous and his consistent ult to deliv...
doorman
tame jay
i also remember this about release mirage
he dont need to be doing alldat
dull valve
forty gins
dull valve
Infernus Has Always Been Like This
infernus is absolute proof positive that i'm shit at the game because i can maintain a like 1.2 kd with souls that are at par with the rest of the team on a good match, but anytime i see someone else playing one, they have a 7k minimum lead over everyone else
twilit roost
Clearly you're making the grave mistake as an infernus of actually contributing to team fights instead of farming the whole match
somber creek
Farming is really the important thing in this game
maiden ledge
Clearly you're making the grave mistake as an infernus of actually contributing ...
I've had an infernus ask his lane partner to help another lane only for him to farm and run urn and jungle the entire match and we won
btw i forget if i posted it but i played some player matches finally
not bad
I've noticed I'm able to really bait and catch some kill-focused people in laning as mcginnis
which means that's probably what i look like to those above my skill bracket
maiden ledge
or they back up so hard i can wall behind the guardian and get a free objective because theyre scared ill pick them off with my booty ass bad falloff
merry verge
I see why people hate Shiv
near current
Farming is really the important thing in this game
merry verge
Vindicta's gun is SO LOUD
it's very satisfying lategame
early it kind of feels like the most volatile paintball pellets
dull valve
Farming is really the important thing in this game
yeah, i consistently fall behind after the laning phase. is the most efficient way of farming just pushing the lane and taking detours to grab boxes/sinners between waves or what?
near current
share match id
near current
yeah, i consistently fall behind after the laning phase. is the most efficient w...
yes but theres a lot of mistakes to make in execution
maiden ledge
i <3 being a lane bully
merry verge
Strangely i feel that way with Mina
She's super fragile but "show your face? /biting you biting you biting you"
maiden ledge
She's super fragile but "show your face? /biting you biting you biting you"
peaking in lane is basically just inviting her in
primal wolf
yeah, i consistently fall behind after the laning phase. is the most efficient w...
Sinners should be used to chain extra farm if you’re a high value farmer
Characters like Mirage, Shiv, or characters with issues farming should have first priority to sinners
If you’re Seven, Haze, or Infern stick to the big innermost farms, and sinners
Get tier 3s ASAP as well
It’s all very team dependent unfortunately
finite patrol
in terms of jungle objectives mid > buffs > sinners > t3s imo (just cus t3s are very time consuming until late game)
remember 8 minutes
also the subways to the teleporters and the space under mid are super valuable
finite patrol
yeah you gotta h melee when all the lights are flashing for a half second
if you're stealing the enemies though and you're in a rush it's fine to just l melee it and dip
rich grove
wind up the melee 3 dots before the end and you'll get it
dull valve
make sure youre getting the jackpot
yeah i've gotten better at hitting the jackpot
dull valve
in terms of jungle objectives mid > buffs > sinners > t3s imo (just cus t3s are ...
so are the t2s /t1s just not worth it then? i mean there's a t1 right next to the first laning arena that you can clear in 7 seconds so that's an easy gimme, but besides that
the uh, creep icons don't have a height indicator which is quite annoying since i don't remember yet which camps are above/below street level
but that's just part of the mastery i guess
finite patrol
oh no they definitely are. but like stealing sinners and hitting it exactly every 8 minutes is way more important than hitting t2s off respawn
like I will dive jungle to steal sinners if my opponent doesn't get it right away. I'm not doing that for t2s
merry verge
I also tend to play characters who suck at jungle creeps lol
dull valve
i like playing characters who are good junglers, i'm just terrible at it lol
merry verge
Monster Bullets never feels quite worth it
dull valve
paige, infernus, mcginnis are the ones i like so far
dull valve
oh, does she have a permanent health boost on ability kill or something?
finite patrol
*Monster Bullets never feels quite worth it*
it's one of the best 800s imo
dull valve
right yeah, i've never felt health threatened from jungle creeps tbh
the real issue is whether you do neough damage for it to be time efficient to farm the tier you're aiming at
merry verge
Oh just in terms of like where your current hp at
For her it's also net gain
But she does also hurt like hell and melt them
merry verge
it's one of the best 800s imo
The stats for the cost are crazy i just never know the time to get it and feel like I'm not strong against actual opponents yet to dedicate early money
finite patrol
it's a first or second item type thing. Great optional pickup for a tough lane. helps you push back and then if you lose you can cultist sac and go yoink t3s to catch up (not every game or on every character but it's a good option)
rich grove
^^^^^^^ monster rounds/resto shot is the lane cheat code
merry verge
I can't believe how well they nailed the feel of playing Doorman, the way he moves, the way he's just everywhere on the map, his VA
Was in every fight and just not letting their bruisers do anything
Begone
On that note: I think Victor's heal-purge can get him off the cart
shy quiver
i also remember this about release mirage
I can count the number of pixels in this vid with my fingers
jesus
agile void
adding onto the camp thingy
if you steal jungle
always leave 1 t1 creep in the enemy side if you arent that pressed on souls
unless the whole camp is destroyed the timer to reset will not happen so long the creep is there
so you are on paper denying the enemy of more farm depending on how long they get there to kill the t1 minion
primal wolf
the feeding epidemic has HIT deadlock
merry verge
Every day I'm glad Mo n' Krill aren't that popular
magic summit
we love sinners in this household
I am a spiteful Doorman player
Stealing Sinner's is my favorite thing to do
Helps that I regularly play people that you really don't want to encounter in an enclosed space
Also seeing all the talk about farming up there I will remind people that an important part of all that is once you have finished your farming on anything not a trooper you have a big funny orb attached to you that will instantly drop unless you go spend all that money
And if you are a player like me who rushes Hunter's Aura on Billy you are explicitly in the enemy side of the map hunting for people doing that
autumn field
this build feels awfully expensive
maiden ledge
id actually be mad
not even going to go for the kill on a frail character too id be fuming
😭 diabolical play
magic summit
not even going to go for the kill on a frail character too id be fuming
I don't build Doorman for damage as much as catching people so it's hard to get solo kills
I do however build to be an annoying goblin
Which is why my doorman build is titled "me when I GET YOU"
maiden ledge
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
magic summit
Max cooldown ult, vortex web, phantom strike+warp stone
I just like annoying people
maiden ledge
did another pvp match, you really can turn things around despite being jumped like crazy
magic summit
That Mina probably hated me because I used my ult to cancel hers 4 times that match
maiden ledge
oh that mina loathed you
near current
The stats for the cost are crazy i just never know the time to get it and feel l...
keep in mind it also effects towers and creeps
and mcginnis lol
maiden ledge
mmmmmmm mcginnis
i love taking objectives to bait out a gank while midboss is being done
casually just shredding guardians/walkers
maiden ledge
i love it when people make the mistake of backing up behind their guardian
like stop playing and let me pressure obj ig
merry verge
I'm real glad the game went for like Healing Rite instead of potions and consumables or whatever
Though Dota did have the best one with eating trees
autumn field
anyone wanna deadlock
maiden ledge
BARS
finite patrol
merry verge
Mina why am I so bad at aiming your gun, it's so regular
rich grove
it has some spread to it at far range but unless you're doing a Mirage cosplay you shouldn't be plinking
merry verge
I try to be at least in 'swoop in to rake' range but idk something about it, I'm so bad at getting that proc
The nervous
maiden ledge
wait let me watch the video in full but i think im slowly becoming a bebop main
merry verge
That's how I feel every time I try Doorman
rich grove
e bop
primal wolf
boppenheimer is long since good
you're playing a fucking relic
you weren't there for the beboppening
maiden ledge
it's not good anymoreeee?
awwww...
but the video was in aprilllllll
how much could have changeeddddd
maiden ledge
CRYING and SOBBING
finite patrol
cheer up pal this means you got build diversity
maiden ledge
aheem... thats true
autumn field
Bomb still does like 200 damage so we’re good (early game, maybe a few items)
I don’t know what that bebop used but it was nasty
What’s good for Bebop though? And his gameplan?
I found 3 -> 2+1 is a cheap combo
autumn field
how does slow stacking work?
would 30% + 30% add to 39% (30% * 1.3), add to 60%, or not?
rich grove
from the wiki
autumn field
Oh dear
i feel like i should jungle more to get more souls to make up for mid gameplay capabilities
played some more
yeah this is not my kinda game
i fare 10x better in a game like the finals
primal wolf
I’ve upped my doorman game
Turns out weed and playing a shitass character is a good thing!
If you REALLY wanna fuck with your enemies, get warp stone and stamina mastery
near current
if anyone wants to queue up some PEAK lmk
rich grove
peaklock...
near current
its calling you...
rich grove
im not gonna drag you into oce solo sadly 
glass flicker
I gotta learn this game better, because in practice bot matches with my friends I’m consistently behind on souls despite doing camps and the urn
rich grove
funnily enough you may just not be catching trooper waves often
troopers are worth so much more than camps it's kind of ridiculous
merry verge
Infernus like, has to change
Truly anti-fun
'Debuff Remover' yeah i know
laned vs him and Mo, think I might uninstall
autumn field
Ngl though deadlock is kinda hellish for new moba players
merry verge
I was just being reactionary but the hill is a big climb
and I genuinely think no part of Mo outside of their aesthetic is remotely fun game design
autumn field
<- perpetually out of souls, 0/13/10 victor
merry verge
I was Calico for my first time and I did great for the first half and then didn't know what to do when every enemy had 3k hp and spirit resist
( mo had 4.5k )
autumn field
I have 0 clue how to play “right”
I managed to get like 230 DPS on Haze and I’m not sure if I’m just really ass at shooting or if the TTK is that high
Combined with the fact I have a 65% chance to get away with deleting 50% of a guardians health if they disappear for some reason
rich grove
i like this paradox lady
merry verge
I love Paradox but no ability makes me feel like pressure than trying to hit her 3/Charge Shot thing
Real good at Last Second Twitch (to miss)
agile void
there is this infernus guy that thought I was inting
started inting
he has 72k player damage by the end
guy kept whining about me all the way through and I just muted him by the end of laning
though checking his statlocker
looks like a smurf account
67% WR in less than a 100 matches? bullshit
merry verge
So what exactly does a Vyper do about Kelvin, I wasn't playing as her but my teammate looks like they were absolutely suffering
quiet sapphire
skill issue
maiden ledge
I've only learned to practice social distancing with kelvin, don't know what to do character specific
lavish grove
Are the unfinished characters still available in the training range btw?
short quiver
Are the unfinished characters still available in the training range btw?
The ones from Hero labs?
lavish grove
Yah
lavish grove
Ah well
short quiver
I'm sure they'll come back whenever
merry verge
I'm so good at getting lost in the jungle
Especially after a Doorman portal brain just "ok its all City Shapes"
maiden ledge
new york is a fucking maze
twilit roost
You might even say it's a concrete jungle?
maiden ledge
bleak thicket
ivory reef
rich grove
metro >:(
lavish grove
“Lady are you a moron it’s obviously a threat, after this ritual I’m gonna mug the shit out of you”
Holy shit Vyper fucking rules
agile void
metro >:(
I remember a friend meeting him in a match
and whining a lot
the clips that are around him is of him being a dick or very toxic, im surprised he has a following when people like jonas or deathy are around
somber creek
Asmongold and XQC have followings
ivory reef
oh is metro toxic?
rich grove
humongously
ivory reef
I didn't know, can totally avoid his content
daamn
fair enough
who would you guys recommend for guides?
twilit roost
Deathy is good
rich grove
yeah Deathy is solid
upbeat perch
is there an equivalent of torte de lini who provides build suggestions across the cast?
finite patrol
deathys guides usually aren't super in depth but the videos are short and easy to follow
magic summit
Torte actually plays this game
finite patrol
is there an equivalent of torte de lini who provides build suggestions across th...
there is a build browser built into the game. Just try out a few top builds.
magic summit
I formally requested he not make guides
upbeat perch
lol wait is torte's dota guides sacrificing quality for coverage?
upbeat perch
there is a build browser built into the game. Just try out a few top builds.
am aware, just slightly lazy on the discerning build applicability end so kinda want to outsource the selection to as few trusted sources as possible
(also torte commonly makes notes on reasons behind build decisions so that's also what i like about that approach)
twilit roost
Keep an eye for Reys, good notes but also no need to follow a build exactly depending on who's in the match
upbeat perch
ok cool, notes is honestly a big reason for me
i'm at the point of no longer wanting to spend out-of-game time to get acquainted to the full item list stage of my moba playing hobby
agile void
if you guys want examples
deathy has videos like this
average jonas recently launched like 3 different videos focused around different topics of the game
as far as builds.....
piggy is the only one that I know has some going around
Ignore the mod he has of vindicta
@upbeat perch@ivory reef since you guys want to check it out
builds are more sparse because you can find them in the tab
and more often than not you will find matches where people do a build
upbeat perch
is there an equivalent of torte de lini who provides build suggestions across th...
oh i definitely meant this as wanting in-game build author recommendation, rather than video content creatior rec
agile void
there is the ones tagged "top daily"
but the quality goes all over the place
you will have to directly ask in the character channels for build rec
upbeat perch
alas
twilit roost
Best option is to look at the builds beforehand in the hideout for your 3 heroes you're picking
agile void
and also, a lot of chars have enough build variety that there is like 2 or 3 viable builds
twilit roost
Most top builds do have notes at least
agile void
for example billy can go gun, spirit, or meleee
same for abrams
ivy can be spirit, gun or support
dynamo can go supp or spirit
the answer changes depending on what you want to do as that char
glass flicker
metro >:(
Is that the same guy that tried to insist on misgendering Pocket because of the Russian translation of their character description, but said translation actually goes out of its way to be ambiguous as possible in a highly gendered language?
agile void
no idea but there is that tweet