got this match
#Deadlock
agile void
rebuttal game and that is how abram only came out of that fight with 13 deaths
Im pretty sure 4 of them came out of laning phase
twilit roost
please take me out of wood elo
rich grove
I definitely feel bad about doing no damage in all my games but on the other hand it's because I'm spending 20% of my life just pushing
and that's good enough for me
twilit roost
can't win games if no one pushes
twilit roost
uh did that update just glitch all the throwables so it lands on you?
rich grove
haze apparently had a small glitch where her knife wouldn't throw a knife
twilit roost
the vin said her 1 and 3 weren't working in my game. I bough alch fire and it would only throw on myself
rich grove
yeah some shit was bork
it wouldn't surprise me if like
they fucked up and accidentally forgot to make projectiles ignore their caster's collision hulls
so you would try to throw alc fire, it would immediately collide with your hitbox and then shatter on you
vindicta would throw 1 or 3 and it would immediately disintegrate, likewise haze
twilit roost
I demand 1000 premium bucks in compensation
rich grove
🥕
twilit roost
where's my lunacy?
warm sonnet
*currency
maiden ledge
lunashi*
warped ridge
where's my lunacy?
here
rich grove
oh my god
dynamo is so often so suffering
but
sometimes you hit the god ult on rejuv and win the game 50k down
agile void
WHEN YOU GET THE 3 MAN ULTS
rich grove
I'M DOIN IT
rich grove
it was at this moment
finite patrol
nearly 1 hour game because my team didn't know how to deal with fern or seven
this guy is indeed pure evil
lot of fun
doors are fucking janky though
hard to get used to
rich grove
placement will hopefully be ironed out because high-apm door gameplay is so much fun
it's just too janky to feel fluid in the chaos of teamfights
ring a ding ding baby
finite patrol
the bell feels real good to use
I set up a lot of picks by just running up to people and ulting them
rich grove
I suck at belling people but part of that do be latency issues
it's so upsetting in lane
I thought he would be unplayable because of how bad his gun is at securing but the sheer damage bell does in lane is almost yamato-tier
if the slow/bloom effect lasted any longer it would actually just be yam 1 and 3 on a single charged ability
finite patrol
it's huge yeah
rich grove
bell 1 and 2 might be up there for the best lane upgrades in the game
autumn field
Bell?
finite patrol
doormans first ability. he chucks a slow moving bell that sits there for a few seconds then explodes. it deals damage on impact and when exploding it deals damage and slows. you can blow it up early by shooting it. the aoe is large and the damage is good
autumn field
Ah that one
finite patrol
going to lane with Mina:
M: "Why didn't you change after work?"
D: "I did!"
M: "That's the same thing you wear at work."
D: "Yes, but this one's freshly pressed."
pure evil
rich grove
he's just evil kenneth parcell
merry verge
I also hear Paige might be cracked
agile void
Vindicta calls Billy "Good little boy"
expect that sound byte to be used (malicious)
Also there are people theoryzing that Billy and Paige are siblings
rich grove
HIVE
rich grove
BRING A SWORD
upbeat perch
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1422450/view/524226792651751429?l=englis...
SAM REICH?????!!!!
wait, "all along", not "the whole time"
twilit roost
18m?????
rich grove
the humble puddle punch:
twilit roost
The certified get the fuck out of my camps hero
near current
his 2 has no max range
finite patrol
you can always teleport behind them if they are bleeding
near current
i mean the projectile itself
near current
its pretty slow though
near current
does it count shiv bleed?
doubt
agile void
I mean he talks about shiv like "an old friend"
buoyant plank
he's a fucking dbd killer
maiden ledge
genuinely just a fuck you if you get caught out of position lmao
finite patrol
can't be worse than m&k or doorman ults
merry verge
Hunters Mark feels damn near impossible to hit
It's like the size of a Paige auto and twice as slow
finite patrol
so like cold front speed
near current
its def smthn u have to more careful abt
rich grove
it turns out that if you're in woodlo you match up really poorly into a character whose entire thing is "I'm going to kill you for having bad macro"
near current
its not a shiv knife
somber creek
I don't like his passive
Like it's just kinda
way too subtle to give good information
near current
i dont understand slowing bullets
why would anyone buy this over
opening rounds
or kinetic dash
or backstabber
finite patrol
it's kinda shitty right now
pretty much any hero that might want it would rather get point blank anyway
or if you need the slow pick up hex / cold front
near current
it should eat a stamina on full proc
finite patrol
you should tell yoshi that
finite patrol
it would be a bit of a Kevin moment wouldn't it
finite patrol
good video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsq0e24Cfi0
somber creek
God I'm so good at Holiday
agile void
or if you need the slow pick up hex / cold front
isnt mystic slow like WAY better right now than that?
like
and Mystic slow turns into lightning scroll, which depending on who you buy it, its great CC
finite patrol
the characters who would want to buy mystic slow are not the characters who would want to buy slowing bullets
mystic slow definitely in a better place than slowing, but hex is the same slow as slowing bullets with a silance and cold front is a 60% slow
near current
its super deserved but im sad that CF is only 6% spirit resist now
primal wolf
Mo and Krill player tried running his mouth to me
buddy, I main him, he's the easiest character in the game
near current
i love being put in lower elo games on new characters!
i made the terrible mistake of losing my first game on him
maiden ledge
phhh
maiden ledge
i throw kudzu
i get gun
but like
is there anything about her other abilities i should knowww abouuut
somber creek
Make sure you are leashing your most powerful Weapon Damage ally
your stone form heals you
finite patrol
stone form is also i frames
you can dodge with it
healing nova is really nice w/tether
ult you can pick up your allies but you really only wanna do this when they have the urn, you need to get to a fight, or you are tryting to get out of one
if you throw kudzu at the wave right as it lands on the guardian it can kill the whole wave
rich grove
elbow dropping dynamo in black hole with stone form is peak ivy gaming
autumn field
trans gun?
autumn field
What te fuck?
near current
darklock
autumn field
bruh first game ever is against a pocket
what the fuck do i do
(im lash)
like, bruh
primal wolf
Why am I always stuck with the single cell organism teammates?
Doesn't matter what I say or do, they never learn
autumn field
average gamer
lethal mica
bruh first game ever is against a pocket
pocket is really difficult to pin down and kill
you usually want some kind of silence to deal with them or else punish overconfidence on their part
lethal mica
like in general? it kind of depends
sometimes you can nuke someone in 3 seconds, other times the fight drags on for a minute straight
rich grove
hit and run
autumn field
i mostly get up high, slam people, fuck off for a few secs if i dont die first because its pocket being a fuckin bitc-
you get the idea
rich grove
i mean yeah just hit and run and position better
you can turn pocket to dust because they have an inherent -spirit resist, and you're generally a little more able to sustain in an active fight than they are because your 3 heals you
but if you're getting focussed by enemy mina, on the ground to get hit by paige ult and then pocket hits you with barrage 6 times and arctic blast you are probably standing in the wrong spot
rich grove
well there's nothing to go off of in a contextless damage screenshot
autumn field
they just kinda appeared outta nowhere tbh
rich grove
I guess I could tell you "buy armor against the damage type you are dying more to" but that's not really that helpful
autumn field
honestly it feels weird when youre brand new and barely know your controls and are fighting against people who know how to play 10x better than you
rich grove
the main way to avoid getting jumped by the enemy team is constantly checking your minimap
if they're all off-radar don't push past the halfway point unless you're extremely confident you can get out one way or another
it might just be easier to play bot matches for the first few games because the new player MMR is incredibly janky
rich grove
if you're not familiar with your controls I think that's first and foremost the thing you should be working on lol
finite patrol
pocket is one of the most "buy silence" heros in the game
rich grove
I mean if there's anyone who can go annoying mobility burst hero for annoying mobility burst hero with pocket
it is The Lash
but feeding the pocket 3x barrage amp stacks is no bueno
finite patrol
do you mean the god of combat?
rich grove
very very no good
when Pocket opens the case and starts shooting the little boba tea pearls at you, each time they hit a hero they get a damage buff to everything
this is a whopping 10% per hit at max level
rich grove
and each time they cast a skill they get 4 hits
so yknow
you'll get pasted if you let them splash you
in lane learn to double jump out of the way when they cast it, getting one stack is fine (only 6% then) and they need to land a direct on a really fiddly projectile if you're in the air
finite patrol
i usually jump up and right and dash left or vice versa and it dekes them pretty good
rich grove
yuh
soldier tf2 rules
the hero in general specializes in doing a shitton of burst spirit damage over and over again, as well as juking the hell out of you with their teleport and on-demand invuln
buy spirit shielding early to suddenly gain +500 health when they do their combo, makes it way harder for them to trade with you profitably and you can fucking paste them if you're a caster yourself
lategame I am begging the team to buy debuff remover even if you can't outright cleanse the ult anymore, but spellbreaker will do a lot to stop you being being spirit nuked, you can buy divine barrier if you're really insistent on being able to cleanse their ult, and there's always curse if you want to just turn them to dust
just make you sure you've baited out suitcase or your 40-second curse has traded for "jack shit"
finite patrol
guardian angel is goated btw and not enough people buy it
rich grove
it's a pretty good item, I think people mostly just forgot about buying that class of items because hard support fell off a cliff
but there's a good class of characters that enjoy it
paige is the obvious newcomer that likes it
just checking the wiki page it doesn't scale with spirit unlike e.g. reactive, but 200 extra HP early outta nowhere can ruin people's lives
as a yamato player there is nothing sadder than tower diving someone and then paige force-feeds them thirty golden apples and I die
my fault
finite patrol
I like it on doorman too
rich grove
door shields are INSANE
finite patrol
yeah it's like 500? what?
rich grove
could you imagine if the old spirit barrier gave you spirit bonus while you had a shield existed alongside doorman holy 😭
he's already moving like oppenheimer in most of my games
one thing I want to try more of is Veilwalker because people are seeming to come back around on that item
but it's just not the same when you're not gaining +1600 ehp on warden with fleetfoot enduring speed surge of power all stacked up......... it's just not the same
rich grove
drifter's build pathing is shockingly flavorful lol
toxic bullets procs on ONE shot with him
backstabber is crazy useful
rich grove
I was testing it in the range and I got insta-proced but it could've been fixed in a patch idk
maybe the hideout has different rules but something was fucked lol
if that's how it's intended to work 💀
some day they'll do something about toxic bullets but it won't be today
finite patrol
anti tank items could be fixed by building tanky being made less strong 
rich grove
basically all of their anti-tank items just kind of incidentally make existing as a low-health character the most frustrating thing on the planet
yeah man sure tankbuster does true damage now. why not
finite patrol
its like straight up the best damage item in the game for it's souls cost
rich grove
toxic? yeah that item is infinite damage glitch
tankbuster is pretty good also dgmw but I can't think of a single other item that's so absolutely omnipresent
finite patrol
they're both cracked atm
rich grove
I forget, does it work on obj
I assume not in my valuation of it but if it does lol lmao
rich grove
I LOVE SPIRIT SNATCH RAAAHHH
rich grove
that's exclusively a fuck you to viscous
no other "deals melee damage" spell has that
if cali slash could be parried she would be so much less intolerable
likewise bebop uppercut
merry verge
Alright Drifter is a damn ton of fun when he gets going
Being behind is immeasurably terrible though
quiet sapphire
ah so like yamato/shiv
twilit roost
https://www.reddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/s/gGZAjhsr5C you can use drifters tp on camp minions
merry verge
ah so like yamato/shiv
I will say it's nice he can still contribute with his ult in team fights by comparison, behind on Yamato feels like throwing yourself into a brick wall
And doesn't feel quite as omnipotent as Shiv back in his era
rich grove
that iiiis not at all my experience
"what if Shiv had perma rage and the requirement was that his target wasn't pressed right up against someone else, and also he could crossmap teleport"
merry verge
They could prob just straight up remove the bonus damage to isolated targets
He scales with everything
HP scaling also real high
rich grove
28% damage amp for breathing (TWENTY EIGHT PERCENT), tanky as shit, massive damage output even against targets in a teamfight, half the game against him is spent with him killing one guy who's a little off to the side and then also the guy who looks at the map and tries to rotate for a 2 for 1
merry verge
Maybe remove the base bonus on his passive keep just 15% for the third rank
near current
somber creek
finite patrol
who is our boy?
rich grove
driftah
tame jay
Yeah his fire anims are a lil jank
magic summit
I am glad that my expectation for how Drifter would play out is proving to be true
In that every game Drifter is either 20 and 1 or 1 and 20
With barely any in between
rich grove
shiv 2
magic summit
Shiv if he was allergic to team fighting
quiet sapphire
Doorman is so much fun
magic summit
The saving grace of him even when he's ahead is he has zero defensive moves and zero way to leave a losing fight
quiet sapphire
I really wish they fix the door jank though
quiet sapphire
multiple times I've died trying to place a door on a COMPLETELY FLAT SURFACE
drifter's damage seems a bit silly right now though
though I haven't laned against him much
So most experiences I have with him snowballing is him coming 8 and 0 out of lane with like
Gun buff
magic summit
If he had zero damage he'd then have zero anything tbh. It's his one move
quiet sapphire
finally
They removed Drifter from the game 🙏
after 25 hours
he really is the yasuo of deadlock
28/3/2 or 0/15/3
call it
merry verge
Just a lil KhazixWarwickNocturneBloodseeker
somber creek
Well that's just a minor nerf
merry verge
Glad for the Billy chain adjustment, truly felt like I was around two corners and it'd still be like 'hey'
autumn field
- Drifter: Weapon damage per boon reduced from 0.693 to 0.55
- Drifter: Weapon base fire rate slowed by 5% (partial base damage compensation, but primarily an overall nerf)
- Drifter: Health per boon reduced from 43 to 41
- Drifter: Rend T3 Bullet Lifesteal reduced from 55% to 45%
- Drifter: Bloodscent T3 Amplified damage reduced from +13% to +11%
most of those nerfs are like, 10%~ average
autumn field
sounds about right, lol
yeah, 2 20% nerfs (bloodscene + rend, if my math is right), 2 5% nerfs, 1 10% nerf
i cant say how bad it is cuz i dont play him (yet)
rich grove
youve played for like two days I think there might be a lot of obstacles to accurate evaluation here
autumn field
lol i know
merry verge
Just going to hope they keep the nerfs primarily to Gun Damage Drifter, spirit more fun
dull valve
I finally activated my code from last year yesterday, and goddamn am I ass lol
Lowest damage on the team as fuckin infernus
I've spent too long playing single player fps games with bullet magnetism, idk shit about actually aiming anymore
near current
https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/08-18-2025-update.75046/#post-149166
prolly not enough but decent
60% for first day is just insane
autumn field
Wait, what happens if you somehow steal all of an enemy's HP?
rich grove
yknow I've just never thought about a situation where that could happen
like would you need eight people all shooting a level 0 haze with siphon bullets
finite patrol
if you end up below 0 max hp you can't die lmao
rich grove
new strat
merry verge
Shedinja Manuevers
autumn field
yeah i have 0 clue how this game works
near current
if you end up below 0 max hp you can't die lmao
something a jojos character would use to win a fight
feral umbra
Every drifter I’ve had in my past few games has been a non-issue but I chalked that up to new character adjustment, was he really that oppressive?
rich grove
between bad MMR and woodlo games having just burning-trashfire macro, yes
plastic bag rank gamers are already positioning extremely poorly without team support for no reason
feral umbra
I ran into the most cracked viscous and Holliday this past weekend and I’m like initiate 2? I have no idea what this games ranking system means anymore
I was Oracle 5 when there was a ranked queue and then had to stop playing for a bit to IRL commitments, nothing makes sense anymore and I can’t tell if I’m in dirt elo or not
rich grove
which means this guy gets shiv rage+++ for existing and can insta-nuke them, then when a teammate spots what's happening 30 seconds after poor fucker 1 gets jumped they also get blenderized
I don't know what he was like in eternus but if the one player with hands in the lobby got him in my shitlo games it was pretty much lights-out
feral umbra
Ooof
I feel like that’s Yamato, except my team’s Yamato always huffs paint and qualuudes and the other team’s Yamato is a Demigod of micro
I should force myself to play her until I figure it out but I’m gonna lose like 99% of those games I think
Do you all do comps here? I’d be down with playing with others, I normally solo drop
autumn field
tried vindicta
yeah this isnt my type of character
her sniper is too high of magnification for me
lash is still my favorite
rich grove
I am from oce but my regular stack is all usians so I'm used to 200pinglife
autumn field
does a match have a time limit
everyone here is so ass at living that it takes forever to do anything
its really boring with 30-something minute matches as standard
rich grove
no and welcome to uncoordinated play
autumn field
god
rich grove
i mean 30 minutes isn't even that long for a moba anyway
autumn field
yeah i dont play mobas is the thing
feral umbra
Yeah fastest I’ve ever had 16 minutes and that was a total rout
autumn field
its 40 already
rich grove
but people in low ranks are awful at taking obj or winning the game
you'll see like 25 minute games in pro play where at 16 minutes they get a couple of good picks in an urn fight, all do mid, sweep a couple walkers because their wave state is immaculate then win the game off the accumulated tempo
feral umbra
Yeah that’s what drove the gun meta previously as I understand it
rich grove
because they removed the -spirit resist the pendulum's swung back where now most casters can power-clear objectives
most characters in general honestly can chunk the shit out of objectives now
feral umbra
Well that explains my luck on Wraith and Seven
rich grove
in fairness I don't think there's been a single patch where wraith and seven weren't nuking obj
that's like their entire thing
feral umbra
Fair
rich grove
wraith 3 + heroic aura would randomly just kill walkers at ten minutes once upon a time
autumn field
yeah it also just feels like you either die too fast or too slow all the time
rich grove
ttk is based heavily on relative worth and also the average player is going to have a 20% accuracy on an ability with a hitbox the size of the sun
feral umbra
Yeah you gotta learn to aim for the heads on gun shots or just hit your skill shots
rich grove
the second player is me somehow whiffing power slash against someone who doesn't appear to have bound movement keys
but it's like seeing people call apex a slow ttk game, tuning into pro play and watching people getting instantaneously oneclipped
autumn field
apex is medium-paced for me
feral umbra
Yeah that’s coming from CoD people who think sub half second ttk is ‘slow’
rich grove
i mean they're not wrong if point of reference is csgo
autumn field
its also a lot easier to play apex for some reason
rich grove
you got me there
feral umbra
So yeah I’m an EST player but I work third shift and live like a vampire, I’ll ping you next time I start dropping if you’re okay fighting the ping
rich grove
only problem is that with one US one OCE it's a 50/50 which server you end up on
autumn field
i have no clue if i like deadlocked or not
feral umbra
It takes a bit to click I’ve found
The vibes and polish kept me interested until it clicked for me but I also had years of LoL experience to help too
rich grove
polish is very funny considering the running joke among my friend group is that it just now started feeling like a video game in the newest major update
autumn field
so far the only characters ive liked are doorman and lash
rich grove
but in-game it has always felt really good
pressing a movement key in a source engine game feels like eating a fresh piece of bread
autumn field
Both of whom are characters with skill floors and ceilings way higher than I can manage to use
feral umbra
As a Lash player I assure you that isn’t true, just build Majestic Leap and Trophy Hunter
Actually just build trophy hunter on everyone until you get the hang of things
feral umbra
It works on kills too
feral umbra
Are you aware of the Lash Maneuver
autumn field
I’m REALLY bad
autumn field
I have 0 experience in MOBA style games
And 0 experience in 3rd person shooters
I’m not shit at Apex style games though
feral umbra
Ah
Yeah I’d maybe go find some Lash guides, one of them will have explanations for the lash maneuver for sure
rich grove
I'm baseline sus of trophy collector but even on characters where it's reasonable, if you're new your map positioning is gonna be way too poor to reliably stack it even a little
quiet sapphire
lash maneuver?
autumn field
Yeah I seriously only know 2 things about MOBAs:
- Zeri lightning
- Faker clip
That’s about it
quiet sapphire
yeah trophy collector you have to get early and stack early for it to actually give you good value
rich grove
I think literally the only thing I knew about mobas was a repressed one hour stint on league and dota and then patience from zhou
autumn field
When I played with my friend I just pressed buttons and due to the game having mostly tiny kids on early servers I actually wasn’t dogshit
quiet sapphire
I have 2600 hours on dota 2 😔 
autumn field
I’m used to matches of 10-20 minutes max
Even in apex it doesn’t get too fatiguing since most of it is running around
But I played arenas when it was there
autumn field
Think it’s funny
It was hated by everyone else apparently
It was the single best game experience I’ve had for a long time
Just felt so damn good playing pathfinder and flying to heal shields before popping back in with an R301 to nuke them and chasing them down when they run to heal
And titanfall’s grapple just doesn’t feel the same to me
feral umbra
lash maneuver?
Use the sideline buildings early in landing to add comical damage to dive kick
autumn field
Yeah so far Lash is the only one I like and I genuinely don’t know how regularly I’m supposed to get kills or the like
feral umbra
Sorry I was wing walking a plane; but basically using the fact you’re shoved up to chunk two to three hundo off of people and retreat
If you get two people with it that’s a huge life loss; if you do it twice in a row and they don’t retreat to heal, you can usually follow up with a kill
autumn field
Huh
quiet sapphire
Use the sideline buildings early in landing to add comical damage to dive kick
ahh like
corner boosting and stuff
feral umbra
Yeah you will need to practice the kinetic dash thing and wall jumping
autumn field
Yeah I’m also not like, used to playing enough to want to use CB stuff
feral umbra
But when you do that you can use that knowledge on other characters as well
And Arcane Surge exists to make that dive kick even more dangerous
I start doing it as soon as I buy extra stamina and spirit burst
That shit gets out of hand so fast and it’s core damage for lash
quiet sapphire
in time it will come to you
autumn field
I also never see heavy melee being used in my games
quiet sapphire
the shmoovement™
autumn field
Does parry block other stuff?
quiet sapphire
no
feral umbra
I think just Viscous goo fist
feral umbra
Unless you get Counterspell
quiet sapphire
you can parry goo fist?
feral umbra
JUST goo fist apparently
autumn field
I don’t see why I’d use parry most of the time then
feral umbra
Counterspell lets you parry the next damaging attack
autumn field
Nobody ever uses it, as far as I see
quiet sapphire
it's mostly against like heavy melee
feral umbra
I don’t see why I’d use parry most of the time then
It puts a large stun on someone and causes that person to take 50% more damage so I mean
Like 4 seconds of stun
It’s a death sentence in Lane usually
warped ridge
Parry is useful but like
quiet sapphire
yeah
feral umbra
You don't have the basics down
Also this
warped ridge
This isn't bad necessarily, just you're gonna feel really out of place
feral umbra
Movement and map and accuracy should be a focus for now until you can consistently survive your lane with cash in hand, imo
warped ridge
IMO the best thing to do right now is to focus on bot matches and creep score
autumn field
The only issue I have with like, bot matches is they’re really fucking boring
warped ridge
Eh you can do live matches if you want, still should focus on CS tho
autumn field
What even is creep score
Honestly I don’t even know if I don’t know the basics because there’s like, no information in the game about what I need to learn
warped ridge
yeeeeh kinda figured you might at that point, I looked back when you first asked about getting into it and realized I didn't have a good reference guide on hand
but uhh
autumn field
Like, in a game like, idk, Valorant, it’s pretty clear how you play really fast
It’s mostly getting used to mechanics at first
This game feels super team oriented too
Way more than games like Overwatch which are also team oriented
warped ridge
so MOBAs exist in a lot of different ways but usually have some reoccuring mechanics, a popular reoccuring mechanic is creep score
it's usually the primary way of earning money/exp without kills and is the main focus of farm-orientated characters.
Creep score is when you kill a minion, you're usually attributed gold/xp for killing that specific minion, instead of just letting it die, in Deadlock, this is done through securing souls, which are the little orbs that pop-out when minions die
Deadlock has advanced CS mechanics known as Denying which is taking creep score away from your opponent by "denying" it. In some games like dota you kill your friendly minions so the opponent doesn't get the creep score, in Deadlock you steal the souls by shooting them before your opponent does, with the caveat you should be aware of, that when the opponent kills your friendly minions, they have a slight advantage to getting the soul when it comes to securing it/denying it
if you don't secure it, and the opponent doesn't deny it, you get the soul anyway IIRC
but you want to secure souls because it's a good way to warm up and keep your aim decently locked in between fights
other aspects of creep score are usually not directly tied to killing creeps but map/situational awareness with how lanes/waves push on each side and what that means
EG if your opponent is fumbling their aim and you kill all their minions before they kill yours, all your minions will now attack them until they get far enough away that the minions go for their tower instead
so usually for people you kill the minions then harass enemy laners to get them at lower HP and force them to back or low enough that you kill them
even if you don't kill them, forcing them to back means they have to spend time away from lane, which means they can't defend against a tower push, or more important in early game, they can't get creep score
which is where if an enemy leaves lane and it's super early, you might just want to focus on hitting minions only when they're about to die instead of just mowing them down, cause it keeps the wave closer to the center point, so it isn't sitting under tower when they come back and they can harass you almost for free (cause if you attack the enemy laner while under tower, the tower attacks you)
but also you might wanna leave lane anyways to refresh your health and buy items or w/e, so you push the wave into the tower and leave to go do that
or you go gank another lane, or go get jungle
warped ridge
I believe so
granted I don't think it's a dedicated jg role atm, it's mainly just, you get jg as you have the time
which is how snowballing can occur
cause if you go like, 3/0 in lane and are a big threat to the enemy laners, you can shove the wave into their tower, leave, do jungle and get the jungle farm while they're dealing with the creep wave at the tower, or you can go gank another lane or w/e
autumn field
What’s jungle again?
feral umbra
granted I don't think it's a dedicated jg role atm, it's mainly just, you get jg...
Jungle is for people moving between lanes so they can get farm I think
It’s not like a hard role
warped ridge
any place that isn't a lane
feral umbra
That’s the side critters in the buildings and rooftops and such
warped ridge
well tbf, that's prob not the technical pro way of describing it, but
as a usual jg main, anything that isn't the lane is the jg to me
and IMO it's good for me to tell people that because then they put the map into two big categories, lanes or jg
feral umbra
There’s also boxes and urns as other cash sources but all three of these things give you ‘unsecured’ souls; if you die, you drop them for someone else to get but will slowly secure themselves over time
warped ridge
and if I go "well junglers usually sit in the jg" then that means they can be literally right outside your lane eyeballing you with dinner plate eyes
feral umbra
Or go away if you spend them
warped ridge
actually question
did you ever play valorant ranked
might also not be a bad idea to just do quick 1v1 lane scrim to just get vibes that way
feral umbra
Oooo yeah going to sandbox and just practicing lane against someone isn’t a terrible idea
Maybe there is a custom lobby to do it, too
warped ridge
where did you place?
autumn field
Wasn’t good at it mostly because I don’t aim well
warped ridge
ahh gotcha
autumn field
I think my peak was… silver?
warped ridge
also found a video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0Qg4hkkqFs
warped ridge
like, medical condition tremors or like, you play a bit and you get tremors from fatigue?
autumn field
Long time ago
autumn field
like, medical condition tremors or like, you play a bit and you get tremors from...
Not sure but I have them all the time
Somewhat minor though, not so much it gets in the way
warped ridge
I mean there's kovaaks to really practice aiming but it's prooob boring as heck and also vastly unnecessary for deadlock
autumn field
I just need to react to enemy positions faster and I usually don’t miss too hard at close range
warped ridge
ahh situational awareness
that's largely game knowledge but also just like
practice voluntarily checking your minimap
autumn field
In siege and the like it was a little easier to feel it
I like siege, but it’s horrible to play, part due to cuz it crashes 24/7
There’s a Roblox game I like because I’m usually very middle to higher up in a lobby
warped ridge
siege has changed a lot and unless it's got you properly placed MMR it's prob very chaotic
dull valve
i have no idea how heroes like dynamo are supposed to avoid chasers like drifter or bebop
feels like your only options are to either stick to your teammates or get yanked off a zipline and wombo combo'd in 3 seconds
warped ridge
1v1 or 1v2?
dull valve
1v1, i know he has the atom ability but it takes 7 years to travel
i've been messing with mcginnis, ivy, and dynamo so far, and all of them eat shit if a yamato or billy or drifter get some momentum in the early game feels like
well ivy's alright cause she has so much stamina tbh
autumn field
How much does Ivy have?
dull valve
she starts with....4 i think?
pretty sure she and vyper are the highest stam characters, vyper can go up to 6 or something
dull valve
i haven't even tried lash, but the hardest team ganks i've ever seen were from a lash that knew what they were doing
warped ridge
i've been messing with mcginnis, ivy, and dynamo so far, and all of them eat shi...
Idk about billy or drifter but yamato can almost guaranteed kill you if they're ahead and you have no mobility
but tbf back when I played yamato
I would just ult and like, deep dive and kill 2 people before being stopped
dull valve
that wasn't even a dynamo/mcginnis thing, guy was winning 1v5s and shit
yeah i tried abrams and i have no idea how the Melee Mindset is supposed to work
cause you get shredded on the approach so hard
warped ridge
abrams was early game bully last I played
and he had a 5 foot terror radius akin to dead by daylight
dull valve
yeah he has a health drain ability
autumn field
Also, the electric ult guy is really annoying when he does it
dull valve
still, his gun is so inaccurate that i couldn't lane effectively without sticking my face out and getting peppered by the enemy. it's just something to get used to i guess
autumn field
Esp if he comes out of nowhere in the middle of a fight
dull valve
i've never been turboganked by seven tbh, the big electricity ball mostly just means 'don't push this lane for the next 3 minutes' to me
dull valve
i did alright with infernus in a few rounds too but he's the most easymode character seems like
just find a good build and hold m1
my jungling is awful is the thing, i'm always bottom or near-bottom of my team in terms of souls. idk what my priority should be between dealing with neutrals or helping push lanes
i can do okay with some characters in early laning
and in late game i honestly dunno what's happening, you just get yanked halfway across the map by five consecutive abilities and then die
autumn field
So you wanna kill the goblin guys?
warped ridge
being bottom in terms of souls is not necessarily a jungling thing
dull valve
being bottom in terms of souls is not necessarily a jungling thing
yeah i don't really pick characters that are designed to win 1v1s so my only option is to bait out teamfights for hero souls
rich grove
my jungling is awful is the thing, i'm always bottom or near-bottom of my team i...
lanes >>> jungle but infernus can flash farm pretty quickly esp with investment on dash
warped ridge
thresh is 100% right yeah
dull valve
yeah i've been focusing on gun builds but sprint spam seems the way to go with him
warped ridge
it's not about fights most of the time, if you're bottom in souls it's cause laning phase went wrong
dull valve
not necessarily? i've had laning phases where i ended at a roughly equal level, we kill their guardian etc.
rich grove
infernus can have a pretty good time just hanging around one sidelane and farming up there
dull valve
yeah he's got excellent get-away too so he's not as threatened by assassin characters
autumn field
I find it annoying how I need to have a minimum of 3 non-new characters to play
I get the logic it’s just boring when if there’s 3 people I want to play and I have to add like 2 more who I know I’ll get instead
dull valve
i've had paige in my rotation all day but i've never played a match as her
feral umbra
I got a single doorman match last night and he was fun but I’m basically just seven and wraith
dull valve
i should try seven, he also seems like a fairly noob friendly hero
autumn field
I believe I was going for doorman + drifter + pocket
rich grove
seven plays himself but it's nice if you just want a chill experience
very low stress hero
feral umbra
Wraith needs you to aim better than seven but yeah his game never really changes, shove till your fingers bleed and just kinda win
rich grove
harder to lane with now that he doesnt have every good laning stat on top of monster rounds+3 but thats about it
feral umbra
Does mystic burst work on 3 hops
rich grove
remember when he had 3.5 hps regen, sprint speed and also 800 health or sth
mystic burst would discharge on the first guy it hits so no
dull valve
seven plays himself but it's nice if you just want a chill experience
yeah i definitely need to start with 0-brainpower lane farmers and teamfighters at this point
rich grove
rich grove
ye you can pick him up very easily and there are good builds and players
autumn field
i like movement
feral umbra
Seven and Wraith both get sprint speed scaling with Spirit and have very similar builds
autumn field
dont know who has like, movement that lets you shoot well and kills decently
dull valve
vyper is basically playing titanfall is you like movement builds
feral umbra
Well Seven can do more spirit but I basically copy my wraith build minus Tesla rounds
I love vyper but vyper doesn’t love me, I have some bad games with her
rich grove
when you get fleetfoot and surge 3 on seven you can really start going absolutely ham with m1
love love LOVE fleetfoot
dull valve
i cannot do flanker builds, i do not have the instinctual sense of when to push and when to fall back
autumn field
also, sliding is super hard for me to get used to
dull valve
100% of the time i get ganked
autumn field
because there's no sprint -> slide here
feral umbra
Fleet and Surge of Power on Seven’s 3 is comical
autumn field
im used to b-hopping
rich grove
as a recovering destiny player, I spent 90% of my time in that game's pvp mode looking at the radar
feral umbra
Just zipping and zootin around st Mach speed shitting lightning
If you like that try Warden who is also a Scott boy
rich grove
look at the minimap regularly and count to 6
dull valve
as a recovering destiny player, I spent 90% of my time in that game's pvp mode l...
as a recovering destiny player, i lose like 70% of my firefights cause i can't rely on bullet magnetism anymore
feral umbra
Scooty boi*
rich grove
basically all that you need to do
autumn field
count to 6?
autumn field
oh.
rich grove
you wont be able to see all of them most of the time
but it's handy to go 'oh I have vision on nobody, lemme play near the bridge' vs 'oh they're all in a teamfight on the other side of the map, I'm going to put this walker into my mouth'
dull valve
in destiny there was also basically no incentive to play your life unless you were in comp or trials too
whereas here you can actually feed
rich grove
yeah I play overconservatively if anything
dull valve
yeah exactly, i'm good at being very, very annoying in the laning phase and basically nothing else at this point. anytime i've tried playing an initiator character it's been a disaster
rich grove
initiating is hard in this game and I still don't love doing it
but that's what inting on yamato is for
dull valve
i gotta get off dynamo tbh, he's not a reactive character. mcginnis is definitely more my speed
walling people out or in is lots of fun
feral umbra
i gotta get off dynamo tbh, he's not a reactive character. mcginnis is definitel...
Do you play support or blaster
Full spirit Dynamo just stomps
dull valve
Do you play support or blaster
support mostly. i've had good luck as ivy but also infernus
rich grove
if you wanna push obj solo, as good as dynamo 1 oneshotting entire waves is, ginnis can really permanently shove walker
feral umbra
And stomps and stomps and stomps
rich grove
but yeah
dull valve
yeah i gotta try a stompmaxxing dynamo sometime, that build has teeth
rich grove
they did something or other with dynamo
and uh
he do be doing 400 hp per 1
also the most important thing about dynamo 1 is that it lets you farm funny ragdolls
feral umbra
yeah i gotta try a stompmaxxing dynamo sometime, that build has teeth
There used to be a build called The Impregnator that I used but it’s way out of date, just pick all the big numbers and max cooldown
rich grove
people just go to the moon
feral umbra
also the most important thing about dynamo 1 is that it lets you farm funny ragd...
Yes
dull valve
also the most important thing about dynamo 1 is that it lets you farm funny ragd...
it's also very efficient at add clear tbh
feral umbra
This 100%
rich grove
yeah arcane surge 1 will basically keep waves pushed on its own
dull valve
if you get a range infusion item on it it can cover a ridiculous distance and it has 3-odd charges
feral umbra
Refresher orb and ult is very funny also
rich grove
it should play the voice line when you refresher
dull valve
why is victor still locked anyway btw? i thought the new heroes were all released?
rich grove
theyre only doing one every other day
dull valve
ahhh right
rich grove
hell be out in like 13 hours
dull valve
once i get a more intuitive understanding of how the map works i'll probably love doorman
autumn field
btw, any suggestions on who has decently good movement (ideally not viktor), can damage decently, and is somewhat easy?
rich grove
doorman is so swag people are willingly playing a pos 5
autumn field
when i say dmg i mean like, can kill without team support / comms
(like lash does, apparently)
dull valve
btw, any suggestions on who has decently good movement (ideally not viktor), can...
mina has some fun angles with her 2 and does a lot of damage
rich grove
mina has exploditis
dull valve
and yeah, lash does that for days
rich grove
I wouldn't recommend her if you're going x/18 on a much faster and harder to kill character
autumn field
big part of that is because like, ill be real, there's also nobody whose willing to comm
rich grove
depends on what your requirements for good movement are because abrams can fucking fly but he is also generally kind of piss easy
autumn field
the last time someone did, i think it was closer to like, 3/8/5 or somethign like that
which was... 1 game
rich grove
it's just that he is a chunky boy outside of his shoulder charge and buying stuff like phantom strike or glorp stone to supplant that movement
autumn field
which, im pretty sure lash is meant to get lots of assists, and maybe less kills?
rich grove
could also try mirage
basic m1 with an invuln dash, good laning phase, can teleport to make up for positioning
autumn field
idk, he was fun when i had someone tanky just holding everyone off, got to smash people and let them finish them, think someone with a gun got the last hits on them
dull valve
what movement does mirage have? i know his ult lets him teleport to an ally, but that's not reallly 'movement' imo
autumn field
tornado transformation
rich grove
I mean nothing that fits these criteria is gonna get you anywhere near the movement of lash
but yeah he has nado
feral umbra
which, im pretty sure lash is meant to get lots of assists, and maybe less kills...
Lash is meant to infuriate the enemy team primarily
rich grove
and he's not a big stompy boy
lash can really easily kill people solo around early midgame but as stuff goes late he kind of just dispenses spirit burn and ult
dull valve
ivy also has a decent bit of stamina and can straight up fly, but that's an ult so it's not super accessible
autumn field
Infernus sounds fairly easy
autumn field
know i fuckin' hate playing vindicta
rich grove
and the current meta build aiui is all about his mobility option
dull valve
i'm not even gonna touch any of the sniper characters tbh, that's never been my jam
autumn field
i love sniping, but vindicta's ult feels horrible to use due to the huge magification for me
rich grove
grandpa can be a lot more slippery with his sprint scaling
and arrow has a hitbox the size of a woodland conifer
so you might actually enjoy that way more
his arrow is also his 1 instead of his ult
autumn field
and the current meta build aiui is all about his mobility option
for infernus?
rich grove
so you can skillshotmaxx if thats what youre into
autumn field
grandpa?
dull valve
ivy is also straightforward imo, the only thing with her is since i can't judge how an engagement is going at a glance yet i always wonder if i'm griefing my teammates when i airlift them out of a fight
rich grove
for infernus?
just look up dash builds and you should be pretty set
dull valve
i mean i only do it when they're low on health, but i've seen people willingly push forward on low health
rich grove
9 times out of 10 i just see ivy ult used as a mapwide silence that also sets up a guaranteed power dunk with stoneform
autumn field
whats the best site for builds?
autumn field
oh.
dull valve
whats the best site for builds?
the build browser in the game seems really solid from what i've seen?
rich grove
the official discord's character channel is generally pretty reliable
but yeah just look through the build browser
dull valve
i mean it has recommended paths and the good builds have annotations that explain what each item does for your build and stuff
autumn field
is there a way to acess the build browser outside of deadlock app
rich grove
popular options generally arent bad
feral umbra
popular options generally arent bad
There are some that are kind of turds, there is a Wraith one that builds Ricochet for example
dull valve
you can also tag them so there are builds that are flagged a ssuitable for new players, and since you can categorise them people separate laning items vs. midgame items vs. flex items etc. etc. it's the most convenient thing of this kind i've ever seen
rich grove
fair lol
thats why I say go check the discord character channels cause all the onetricks are in there and will set you right
just remember the invite is truly one use only per steam account
feral umbra
Personally character strats aren’t important in the beginning, having solid fundamentals is
feral umbra
And that means trading, last hits, when and where to move, mobility stuff like dashes, etc etc
feral umbra
that's dash -> jump, right?
Yes
rich grove
you can also tag them so there are builds that are flagged a ssuitable for new p...
also the inbuilt annotations too!
feral umbra
Dash and then jump input when your stamina bar turns blue
rich grove
some builds are insanely well documented
dull valve
that's dash -> jump, right?
jump right as your character lands (assuming they do a normal roll dash)
it'll tell you if your timing is off and ytou can practice it in the hideout
dull valve
to what, the build browser? in the shop/build menu, it should be a tab on the upper part of the screen
again, pretty sure you can check it in the hideout too
rich grove
just hit B
rich grove
genuine question with no harm meant: does the tutorial not teach you these things, because if so that seems like an enormous oversight they should patch in
autumn field
it does but it's shit at it
rich grove
the deadlock NPE is really scuffed rn and if people just dont know where to see builds thats a humongous gap
autumn field
i also just dont remember it too well
but yeah, it's literally just a bunch of screens saying "do this, do that", then a list of things to do
and yeah i didnt know there was a build browser for a while
i like getting cubed
its nice to have heals
rich grove
the cuuuuube
autumn field
the tutorial is genuinely kinda ass
merry verge
They absolutely did not fix Billy dragging you through walls
autumn field
cuz it yeah, it does teach you how the game works
but it's also got like, exactly that with nothing else
cornerboosting is super important stuff but i guess its a glitch
similar to tap strafing in high level apex before they apparently removed it (or not? idk)
im thinking about how a character like doorman is honestly just, one of those characters that feels so right to use
i dont know how to doorway right
merry verge
Doorway placement could also be touched up a bit, it's finnicky even on flatter walls
rich grove
just like tap strafing if you're not being paid to play this game you probably shouldn't give a shit about cornerboosting v:
autumn field
but like, the simplest combo of bell + cart
autumn field
just like tap strafing if you're not being paid to play this game you probably s...
yeah, the only issue is every time i see stuff about lash its something like, "btw you should corner boost for +40 dmg"
ok got one question
how valid is this from a whole fuckin year ago
feral umbra
I don’t like infuser personally but it is hilarious when it works
I also don’t do ricochet, I use 1 and 2 to put fire on lots of things but I’m weird and haven’t touched Infernus in a while but it’s mostly solid
Superior Stamina is always good imo, alchemical fire is hard to use well without backup imo
I mean this isn’t a terrible place to start I guess
warped ridge
I'd say get a build that's recent month
rich grove
infuser is also a 6400 item now and not an 800
half the items in this don't exist any more and the other half have different names
or have wildly different functions like aforementioned infuser
autumn field
lol i got curious for this reason
also, idk why but apparently im shippin abrams and lash now
bruh everything but the aim is so fuckin true
btw wtf is pos 3/5 or whatever
rich grove
term from dota
the equivalent of support/dps/tank but instead it's referring to the priority of who ought to get the farm: pos 1 should get the most and pos 5 the least
rich grove
yeah it's souls in this game, or gold in dota or whatever else
it's the 'farm' people talk about acquiring when they say 'i'm farming creeps/jungle camps' etc
dull valve
also, idk why but apparently im shippin abrams and lash now
vyper is into lash lol
rich grove
'cs' is creep score and is basically exactly what it says on the tin, kill the enemy little guys real good
'confirm' in deadlock refers to the shoot-the-soul minigame
warped ridge
Yeh
rich grove
e.g. if I say 'paige's gun is bad at confirming' that's because it fires really slow-moving projectiles and it's easy for the opponents to beat you to the punch
dull valve
paige's gun seems excellent for add clear and not great for everything else
rich grove
when you steal an enemy's soul in that minigame or vice versa, that's 'denying'
dull valve
since the projectiles overpenetrate
rich grove
there we go
that's most of the slang applicable to deadlock
i had to also bother my doter friends about this incessantly before i picked up the game
so this hit me
rich grove
yes
autumn field
and is confirm/deny that much more common?
dull valve
all the voice comms i've seen in the game have been pretty focused and to the point
autumn field
cuz so far ive just been tryna figure out
a) how not to die
b) who i like at the game
dull valve
the trash talk mostly happens over text for whatever reason 🤷
warped ridge
do people comm regularly in the "better" lobbies?
Yes and no
autumn field
apparently its always the 7?
rich grove
I was gonna say 'because there's no global vc' but the thought of prox vc in a moba is fucking killing me
it would be exclusively used for hate crimes of course
warped ridge
Lobbies I'm in all the chill people (outside trolls who think they are clever) talk in text
rich grove
that said chasing someone down and hearing them scream like they're dying irl would make me laugh so hard i fuck up the gank
warped ridge
All the flamers talk in vc cause they get annoyed at people not using VC when pings exist
warped ridge
If you're playing on a pro level you should 100% use comms, if not at level, assume randoms will do anything to everything and save yourself some sanity
rich grove
grey talon
well technically he shoots a giant arrow but that's the genre of character he is
rich grove
just watch gameplay if you're confused
dull valve
his default weapon is a rapid-ish fire weapon
rich grove
i cannot stress enough that randomly trying to assess whether numbers are good or bad in a total vacuum with 10 hours in a game is going to tell you nothing
dull valve
the classic charged bow shot is on his 1
rich grove
if you're confused about how a character works just go on youtube and look up some gameplay clips and you'll learn way more in way less time than trying to do quantum physics on a wiki page
autumn field
im just trying to figure out how they work
dull valve
the basic synergies of how each ability works is, ime, pretty well explained by the text and by trying it out in the sandbox. learning how to build for abilities takes a lot more finesse though
i do wish the game had nested tooltips so i could look at exactly what, eg, infernus' napalm does mechanically
warped ridge
Cause I'll be real knowledge checks in mobas take a lot of time and it's better to learn by playing for a fair bit
warped ridge
Then yeah try it out in sandbox
autumn field
i dont have my pc available rn
rich grove
it's just infinitely easier to watch a video and go 'okay this is what his m1 and skills look like in action' than trying to model all this in your mind
autumn field
also cuz yt doesnt show me how his dmg works
on the m1
its just "yeah it shoots for damage"
rich grove
the broad explanation is that his gun damage is also scaled with how much spirit he has, in addition to the bonus gun damage you always get when your character levels up
autumn field
oh so basically you pump spirit and she gets really good dmg?
rich grove
eh
you only get 100 spirit pretty lategame
you want to be buying spirit on him anyway but if you do all that, you're not going to be buying the items necessary for actually fully-focussing gun
autumn field
huh
rich grove
most of his builds just focus on stacking spirit so his 1 deals 800 damage a shot
gun is just there to pad your damage in between bow shots more or less
though you can build him for pure gun also, most characters in deadlock can flex one way or another
it's just kind of an extra bonus he gets that not many other characters do
warden's fire rate scales with spirit and haze's mag scales with spirit
rich grove
for other examples of spirit interacting with gun
autumn field
his dps feels low because i recall seeing DPS values well into the 200s
which confused the shit out of me
i was like, why does this character have literally 4x less dps
rich grove
yeah there is no chance in hell that's happening at level 0 unless someone seriously borked it
this is all what the character does from the very start of the game
as characters level and depending on build you can absolutely hit 200+ dps though
autumn field
like i think i was in a match and my gun was at like, 180-something DPS when i was running like, 30% gun
ik the drifter had like, 230
but that's like, isnt drifter pure dps
rich grove
he's a very orange character
autumn field
they dont really explain stat scaling either, so i was like
rich grove
orange here referring to gun items
autumn field
what the fuck
rich grove
spending money on items in a particular category gives you stat bonuses in that category: weapon items give base weapon damage, spirit items give spirit which scales your abilities, health items give max hp
autumn field
i saw items increase stuff by like, maybe 10%, 20%, etc
but i just got really confused because i saw values into the hundreds versus values of like, 29
and i couldnt comprehend it
(like i said i dont play mmos, everthing from stat scaling to items is pretty damn new to me)
dull valve
they dont really explain stat scaling either, so i was like
yeah i still don't understand how hp or weapon damage scales fully
and it appears to vary per-character? which is very confusing
rich grove
level up bonuses scale per character
but the bonuses from item categories are universal tmk
autumn field
so how does the dmg formula even work?
dull valve
that's the thing, you gain hp for each green item, and weapon damage for each orange item (is my understanding). ik ability damage scales off spirit but at least those show you the scalar per-ability
autumn field
also, like
i like building CD reduction for Lash's 2 first and foremost
its more fun that way
but like, also
how do you build?
they never explain anything on how you build in the game
it tells you, "btw get some items" then thats it
dull valve
the thing is, most characters have multiple builds, so it depends on which abilities or weapons you prioritise
autumn field
i guess most games don't really explain guns and every character
dull valve
infernus is a good example, you can build him orange around his gun and stack debuffs, or you can max out on his sprint. or you can do the spring early game and then sell items to swiutch to the gun later etc.
autumn field
but guns tend to be different stats mainly, with some variations
dull valve
yeah i've just been following the community guides till i find one that works tbh
autumn field
does league or dota ever explain the basics of building?
dull valve
dunno, this is honestly the first moba i've been able to stomach for more than a few matches
i'm pretty sure they do not?
rich grove
it just isn't an easy topic to explain
(also of course everything is potentially in flux and the shop has changed a ton of times)
if you're really insistent on getting into the nitty-gritty you're going to need to digest a lot of information, there's no getting around it
you probably just need the first ten-ish minutes to understand the 101 though
autumn field
right now all i want is to somehow get into like a 0.5 KD and like, that's it
most of the time what ive found myself doing on lash is killing minions and then waiting for someone on a rooftop to dive, deal like, 30% HP dmg, then fucking off
i liked the dude who commed, he'd tell me when he was engaging so i could dive into the enemies, unload, heal, then parkour out, he got all the kills obv, but like, it's fun like that
magic summit
how valid is this from a whole fuckin year ago
I'm not going to read all of the chat above but as a quick tip of things
Any information on the game that is like
Older than 3 months or so
Just toss into the garbage
Especially if it's older than 6 months ago
We had a map rework and an item rework and a whole lot of different economy reworks
Side bar anything someone talks about roles in this game of carry or support or whatnot that is a thing that is going to be for all intents and purposes meaningless to you until you get to a pretty high mmr where people will give space and funnel souls to a player with any intentionality, and even then it's like. Still barely a thing
I vaguely see you posting about Lash builds with as a general rule some of the better builds are ones that have descriptions on why an item is good or not and will include a recommended build order. The streamer Deathy is both a Lash main and, imo, the most informative when it comes to giving advice in the game
magic summit
So I'd look up his build
Though I know he builds lash as a pure spirit burst
Also I recommend customizing your ping wheel to what you think is good
Even if you don't talk in game pinging your intentions helps, especially as the higher mmr you are has a pretty direct correlation to people actually talking to each other
autumn field
mmm
magic summit
I think I also skimmed past you having bad hands or something, I have a similar thing
autumn field
yeah i do
magic summit
I can usually aim center mass but anything precise is mostly impossible for me
autumn field
though for some reason in that one roblox game im an aim freak
magic summit
I main casters and melee characters. Lots have shotguns or don't need to aim super precisely, and even some others like Paige or Ivy or Dynamo can work fine not needing to do head clicking
feral umbra
Viscous and Yamato have alt fires that are strong too
feral umbra
I mean, as far as anyone else is he’s not the worst
I think seven and wraith might be the easiest
The game says McGinnis is an easier character for new players and I dunno if I agree with that tbh
Kelvin is also a solid choice
autumn field
mcginnis is defo not a "newbie" character
i know the way those skills work from overwatch and the like
those are communications oriented positioning tools
those are easy to use, but hard af to actually use well
lots of the time a newbie is gonna fuck up the wall and block off a push because they overextended, or not block space properly
turret will also likely get misplaced
rich grove
yeah wall uh has some ups and downs
turrets being misplaced doesn't matter because turrets are bad
feral umbra
They used to be psychotically oppressive and then they got the nerf bat taken to them
magic summit
Most of the mobile characters are more technical, unfortunately
rich grove
he can also schmove too because of his shield
feral umbra
Using his ult well is challenging but he shoots fine
rich grove
combo with fleetfoot and lategame spellslinger, vrrrrr
autumn field
because his stuff is "deal debuff in aoe", "tank and move fast", "debuff enemy more", "deal aoe dmg"
feral umbra
Just zoopin’
autumn field
damn simple kit
rich grove
warden also sets up his own gun
feral umbra
Yeah but tbf the old barrier crimes warden build needed that nerf
rich grove
it turns out it's pretty easy to shoot people who are standing still
feral umbra
It even gives you bonus headshot damage
magic summit
Well their specification was liking hypermobility, and while I agree Wardens are usually fast that is more how they all build in the exact same way to run down people in a straight line
autumn field
yeah im just looking at chars for newbies
rich grove
hey the straight line is the shortest distance between me and the other guy
rich grove
blame euclidean geometry
quiet sapphire
remember prenerfreworkbuff veilwalker
remember when shield items were a thing
and veil walker refreshed those shields
autumn field
because all i knew i liked was jumping everywhere
rich grove
although tbf the new barrier equivalents are nuts, spirit shielding in particular is fucked
just spawning in an entire fortitude's worth of hp
god forbid you actually play a spirit character yourself
autumn field
hows holliday?
rich grove
also technical
quiet sapphire
painful
rich grove
also requires some extra degree of aim
feral umbra
I remember buying +200 hp +7% weapon damage +10% fire rate for 1000 souls
RIP reloading your gun with fleetfoot
quiet sapphire
you gotta hit your barrels and you gotta hit your shots and you gotta hit your lasso
magic summit
Unironically Holliday is one of the hardest characters but she is also one of the best characters right now
rich grove
you basically need to know some character-specific tech to play the character even remotely competently because holy shit throwing barrels regular degular style is so bad
like unbelievably bad
quiet sapphire
you gotta jump melee them yeah
rich grove
now on the other hand: punching the barrels directly to where you want them to go...
feral umbra
her skills sound like playing ashe
Holliday requires you to land at least one headshot every few seconds so I mean, not newbie friendly
autumn field
oh.
magic summit
The tech is easy to know tbh
autumn field
i assume this
rich grove
the headshot requirement is a little overstated because barrel popup makes them free
and her gun shoots trashcans
magic summit
And the headshots don't need to matter outside lane if you don't build for it
autumn field
what's jump melee about?
quiet sapphire
the barrels
magic summit
The important part is the barrels and bouncepads
rich grove
holliday can punch her barrels to make them infinitely more controllable and easy to land
quiet sapphire
how you actually throw them somewhat decently
rich grove
if she casts barrel on the ground it rolls pathetically gets stuck on every surface and is generally bad
if she jumps, then punches it you can lob the aoe where you actually want it to go and you can do it fast too
autumn field
oh so once you learn how to punch it right, i assume its solid?