he's for hero killing yeah. always be fighting
#Deadlock
finite patrol
rich grove
if you DO kill him you can usually start to cook pretty well, although of course that's an extremely loaded 'if'
rage reset on death is absolutely crushing for his ability to contribute to fights
magic summit
He's one of those heroes that has a kit that is rough to balance on
Cause he exists in the state of having a horrible win rate but being problematic levels of strong at the high end
With a combination of delayed damage, a constant huge damage amp in fights and a reset max health execute
I think he might need to lose at least one of those or he's going to be a spectre haunting Deadlock pro scene in the future
finite patrol
considering how early this game is in terms of development I wouldn't be shocked if multiple heroes got pretty significant reworks over the next year
finite patrol
there really need to be better antitank options
primal wolf
primal wolf
I fear I may be the Wood 4 Wall
it's a league joke about being stuck in a low rank
I always say I'm a wood 4 warrior hardstuck plastic 1
twilit roost
Honestly surprised it even got acknowledged, but good to know big update on the way
finite patrol
mpreg react spotted
rich grove
shocked its not lash preg
finite patrol
oh my god
magic summit
rich grove
veescoos
agile void
twilit roost
Minor patch: Complete rejuv mechanic rework
tardy sundial
speed buckets
tame jay
near current
this one is hella fake
tardy sundial
They hit her with the asian airbrushjob
spiral slate
asian airbrushjob?
edgy fog
I'm at work, what have they done to ivy's face?
rich grove
asian airbrushjob?
there's a semi-infamous gif where someone goes through all the overwatch women with their face in the same pose and 95% of the facial structure in the model is the exact same
finite patrol
this one I think
tardy sundial
asian airbrushjob?
You ever live on the mainland? There's a lot of these local photography places and there's a characteristic to their touchups that everything is too powdery and soft
With like super vivid red or gold or pink backgrounds to contrast
finite patrol
tame jay
Woah its Shav
shy quiver
shave.....
primal wolf
AND THATS WHY IM THE BEST MOTHERFUCKER TO EVER DO IT!!!!!!!!
Mohammed and Kareem wins YET AGAIN
finite patrol
what did you do with 80,000 fucking souls
finite patrol
shiv number fiddling, seven and vyper nerfs, rejuv reworked AGAIN
https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/07-29-2025-update.72760/post-141214
primal wolf
Im a man of many mysteries
Mainly spirit nuking towers, and getting saucy with the walker
My haze enabled my bad ideas by letting me farm early game
I appeared on occasion to jump scare the Kelvin and Seven
near current
7 days no deadlock...
starving...
i wonder if we could do pilot net 6v6 with some coordination
magic summit
I think a lot of the deadlockers here are from wildly different regions
So the ping on anything like that would be
Nightmarish
agile void
I mean I say is worth trying
I will be surprised if most people here arent fron NA/EU
like for example me Im southamerican
but we will need other 9 people
primal wolf
finite patrol
we're all winners
finite patrol
express shot on shiv kinda rules, i wish id tried this sooner
twilit roost
finite patrol
nice
near current
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOO
finite patrol
hopefully one of the heroes is a tanky anti-tank bruiser so shiv isnt the only one in the game
magic summit
express shot on shiv kinda rules, i wish id tried this sooner
Shiv is almost exclusively the reason that alt-fire specification exists on Express Shot
Others could also use that well but Shiv was the only one that would just delete someone with it
finite patrol
oh yeah it didn't have that when it first came out right
agile void
Others could also use that well but Shiv was the only one that would just delete...
- paradox when it worked with carbine
finite patrol
oh does it work with mystic shot? I should test that
rich grove
nah mystic shot just spends on the first one
finite patrol
fuck
finite patrol
yeah it's still a hot pile of burst damage with cold front and slice
and shot is solid on shiv. probably don't have room rn since opening rounds is much better atm
rich grove
opening rounds is narsty
love it on geist
when my aim's hot the succ + opening just disintegrates people
finite patrol
it's so slot & soul efficient. really amazing hybrid item
probably warrants a nerf but not before counterspell
magic summit
+ paradox when it worked with carbine
I'm not sure I count her with that since it was explicitly a bug they thought they patched out and it just didn't get patched out correctly
Took like three tries of them saying it was fixed and then she'd still be one shotting people
twilit roost
rich grove
PATCH PATCH PATCH PATCH PATCH PATCH PATCH PATCH PATCH PATCH PATCH PATCH PATCH PATCH PATCH PATCH PATCH
finite patrol
TGE GOAT
merry verge
Is one of them some sort of Action Bellhop
finite patrol
Yes
twilit roost
rich grove
healbanes new icon is fucking terrible lmao
its so ass đ
toxic bullet icon is insane
looks like a hunt showdown perk
near current
i love it
my matchmaking is broken or smthn
i have every hero selected and queue was 5 minutes
magic summit
The queues have been a bit broken, a patch was just put out to try to fix it
I think they maybe wanted to do at least some more of the heroes at once, now everyone is queuing just for Mina
twilit roost
I kinda assumed the slow roll out was meant to get some more attention on it as gamescom goes on, inflate the player count a bit from the voting mention
twilit roost
https://www.reddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/s/0viRb2dEyN fog horn leg horn as a character when?
agile void
new hero
near current
i wish they would let us run around in sandbox with new heroes at least
agile void
vamp lore
Mina Ha had it all...rich parents, elite education, and an arranged marriage that would see her ascend from run-of-the-mill upper class to American royalty. She was happy.
Then her betrothed was assassinated.
Mina wept; not for the life of her fiancĂ©, but for the future that was stolen from her. Why couldnât the killer just wait until after the wedding? Then sheâd have the last name she always dreamed of and no one would even have to pretend to love anyone. It could have been perfect, but life wasnât fair...and so Mina did what she always does when things donât go her way: she told her parents to fix it.
Mr. And Mrs. Ha knew that the only way to appease their daughter was to offer her something greater than what she lost... and marrying into one of the worldâs most lauded families was a tall order to top. They had to think big. They had to think outside of the box. They had to promise their daughter immortality.
It took a small fortune, but eventually they found a vampire who was willing to turn her. Unsurprisingly, Mina thought the idea of eternal youth and a trust fund was an acceptable plan B and happily agreed to the proposal. Now a fledgling vampire, Mina is quickly discovering that the clout she held as a human has no weight in vampire high society...and while at first that annoyed her, if there is one thing Mina has a knack for, it's learning the rules so she can subvert them. She will be the Viscount of New York, the other vampires just don't know it yet.
"Bethroned got assasinated"
... Pocket?
also crash out to turn into a vampire
twilit roost
Happy to see it updated with the new font
tidal elm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkGDC3idX1E
As someone who hasn't got access to the game and just watches from the Sidelines, this is so good
This sort of Weird Noir (Like Weird West) is so on point I need it injected into my veins
Valve stays winning
twilit roost
You want an invite? Just drop your steam username someone will add you
tidal elm
oh that would be nice, if it's not a bother
twilit roost
No prob at all
tidal elm
nick is Bone Jackal, with a Guts propic
ty to whoever will drop it, much appreciate it đ 
merry verge
Doorman you are much more rad than anticipated
tame jay
doorman is sick
short quiver
Wow
I knew Vyper was a Lash fan
But I wasn't expecting her to be that kind of fan lol
twilit roost
Wonder what vypers final version will look like
rich grove
gonna be honest I did not expect doorman to be satan
doorman after forcing you to watch a sixteen hour youtube expose about every single one of your shortcomings as a person
lethal mica
Idk why he's so *brutal* with some of them
The grey talon lines are so foul
twilit roost
Think I'm voting for him just to see what his ult actually does, looks like a mordekaiser thing?
merry verge
I figured it was some sort of Banishment
He's the Doorman so he takes you to your room
rich grove
yeah that seems to be the case
apparently people also just straight up datamined what his ult does too if you wanna look it up
so
twilit roost
You can see it if you clip under the map just not sure if he goes in with you fight or its some kind of platforming puzzle to escape
Oh they did datamine it? Ill just look that up the
finite patrol
doorman after forcing you to watch a sixteen hour youtube expose about every sin...
WHEEZING
quiet sapphire
doorman after forcing you to watch a sixteen hour youtube expose about every sin...
doorman really brought up pocket's family situation and then called them homeless
magic summit
I am hoping for Doorman to be unlocked soon because if his ult is just banishing someone to my love hotel I will permanently add him to my roster
agile void
rich grove
canon haze
tidal elm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z05EdeNaDrU
I think, and fairly certain, that is Matthew Mercer
rich grove
is.. is he from nawlins?
spiral slate
how long till the next hero drops?
rich grove
there we go
for those not in game rn
you have dragon install but it makes you drunk
rich grove
the uppercut in conjunction with the general combo nature of the kit is giving me some doomfist vibes although lash has the groundslam and movetech
merry verge
Kinda steal folks
twilit roost
doorman next
https://www.reddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1mvtrn0/doorman_reload_animation_stolen_from_twitter/ cooking with all the new reload animations
rich grove
finite patrol
oh wow
finite patrol
I got the goat and squandered him đ
didn't buy enough green items and tried to help my team so dumb shit when I should have been farming
near current
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1277320415328604242/1407886850299007066/r...
anachronism? literally unplayable
lavish grove
I played my first game last night in months
First match went pretty bad but my second one went really nice
agile void
we could do matches here depending on how spread around the world we are
warped ridge
I'd join yeh
lavish grove
How often does a new character release?
(Of the 6 theyâre staggering the releases of)
agile void
(Of the 6 theyâre staggering the releases of)
monday wednesday friday
so by next friday everyone should be out
lavish grove
Cool
finite patrol
Paige on Friday
Doorman Monday
Victor Wednesday
Drifter Friday
near current
i doubt paige friday
agile void
paige is probably going to be the last one
is between her and victor
I will be pleasantly surprised if she isnt
near current
my guess is drifter doorman victor paige
tardy sundial
I think paige gonna be last
just because of the general fandom hierarchy put furries>monsterfuckers>cheesecake
wet pine
who yall bet to be the next char
wet pine
i hope its drifter
either drifter or victor tbh
but really i want drifter, cuz he sounds kinda like a warwick type character
tidal elm
If warwick was from New Orleans
finite patrol
someone modded ivy to look like her old map icon
twilit roost
Whens the update today btw?
finite patrol
helpful billiam
rich grove
sorry ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY K
twilit roost
1 million total soul value, what was going on
rich grove
I took critical mental boom looking at this
twilit roost
That Holiday was playing on a ds touchpad
rich grove
you and talon trying desperately to generate enough value to make up for your anchors
lethal mica
you and talon trying desperately to generate enough value to make up for your an...
back broke attempting to carry this game
should have won the game 30 minutes before we lost it
near current
what elo is this
upbeat perch
damn, bots still have trouble closing the game out, according to the one solo bot game i played..
twilit roost
The agenda was maintained
near current
can someone post kit
tame jay
The portals are crazy
quiet sapphire
somber creek
Im here now
tame jay
Hey voy
quiet sapphire
you can close the doors instantly too so you can use them as an escape tool
the doors are single sided if you manage to place it in a spot where you can get behind it, if anyone was wondering
twilit roost
https://packaged-media.redd.it/tc1rjnod0nkf1/pb/m2-res_720p.mp4?m=DASHPlaylist.mpd&v=1&e=1755914400&s=735a47b133f22686c4a70e986104919464906d4d you can parry the damage in the ult
(with counterspell)
tame jay
His animations are sick
finite patrol
the description for the ult is hilarious
twilit roost
big tech his 1 will blowup if you shoot it with an enemy in range
merry verge
wonder how useful being able to shove allies with the cart'll be
quiet sapphire
could be useful if your teammate gets parried or something
agile void
or if you have a dynamo that missed the ult
or if you are escaping and your teammate is slowed in some way
finite patrol
I DO NOT SHY AWAY FROM CONFLICT. MY RESOLVE WILL SHIELD ME.
twilit roost
Played some doorman, no clue how you should build him but you can do some silly things with the doors
rich grove
my vibe is that he's like a pos 4 or 5, primarily support that can flex into somewhat of a CQC artillery mage like Geist
being able to push teammates/enemies with carts as well as pull teammates with rescue beam seems nuts, to say nothing of being able to rescue beam through portals with sufficient range investment
which also benefits your 1
gun seems like a hand cannon with long range but I'd need to check and/or lookup the falloff ranges
play the backline, chuck carts from afar to bail your teammates out of dodge, cover every single possible angle between portal + your inherently best-in-game movespeed
he's 10m/s movespeed, haze for example is 9.5
and anyone who's played haze will know how fast she feels to play
main issue is that his gun fucking blows as a secure tool
twilit roost
I just want to be able to place doors not only on walls
rich grove
I think it's a slight missed opportunity to not be able to place them on the floor
but he kind of has a lash/abrams problem where a significant amount of his kit relies on knowing all the dumb geometry jank
rich grove
LMFAOOO
somber creek
Holiday feels SO much fucking better now that I know you can melee herr barrels to thrrow them
rich grove
yes
it is actually night and day being able to consistently spike barrels short-range
character does not function without it
edgy spear
I haven't played Deadlock since like last year but wow Doorman has some of the sickest animations I've seen
somber creek
It's kinda nuts that there's actually talented people doing gamedev at Valve still considering they've just kinda been sitting there
edgy spear
I actually have a 2nd cousin who's a programmer at valve. I should check if he did work on Deadlock
finite patrol
apparently gun is 3 shots for toxic bullets proc
finite patrol
It's kinda nuts that there's actually talented people doing gamedev at Valve sti...
programming the most successful games storefront in the world probably isnt trivial
somber creek
I mean it's also not game development
rich grove
mina kinda be exploding people
she's extraordinarily easy to kill and her escape options aren't as egregious as calico given she has 2 stam base and really poor movespeed
but you will win your 1s if you can reliably get in close
worst comes to worst just panic ult
somber creek
She's kinda nuts if you're at all good with shmoovement
rich grove
I think having the two stam is awful in lane but obviously you can just buy 
stone/kinetic dash/enduring speed/forty dudes and fucking break people's ankles
I was getting absolutely torn open by Billy early because you're basically just Haze with broken ankles but at some point 2 turned into Shiv execute
and at that point the money printer turned on
somber creek
Infinite scaling is kinda fucking What
rich grove
basically the only thing keeping her in check is bloom and 2 stam
if that wasn't the case matching Mina into any big body lane = gg for the rest of the squad
at least she has to put herself in harm's way
somber creek
I recently learned that Grey Talon's multi shot does not deal more damage based on how many arrrows you land
rich grove
but prenerf bebop scaling on a character who is much better at her wincon than prenerf bebop is uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
somber creek
which was Infuriating to find out
rich grove
yeah lol I was like 'hang on what if you split shot grey talon arrows' and then it turned out they both worked the same way
the upsetting way
rich grove
holy shit
finite patrol
really good kinetic dash hero. one of the best
tidal elm
to fellow lol players, is Mina something like Vayne?
Like, extremely powerful but if you move badly you get toasted
rich grove
her ankles are broken and she has no hp
in exchange she has shiv rage but it doesn't reset on death and can exceed that ceiling with a minority of effort
she also inherently does split damage and a fuckton of it which is super powerful
maybe the only broken gun item she doesn't abuse is long range because of bloom but everything else potentially quite gucci
also stuff like kinetic dash or burst fire is just ways to turn your damage into more movespeed or vice versa which is awesome on a character who has piss base movement
very good items that solve your weaknesses and make your strengths stronger at the same time, unsurprisingly being able to really use those = good
buoyant plank
I do wish paige had the placeholder va
mina and paiges designs feel abit too.. league, to me
merry verge
I feel like the umbrella and the sharp contrasts do a lot to elevate Mina
agile void
agile void
being able to push teammates/enemies with carts as well as pull teammates with r...
you cant through portals
basically projectiles go through
any "target" skill doesnt go through the doors, you need to be on the other side
check the reddit
Horny fanart of Mina
WE ARE COMING BACK BOYS
merry verge
Pocket, drifter, the one for Ivy is so mean she's so nice how dare you
lavish grove
Billy too
It is awesome how his ult lines vary from trying to soothe them into staying at the baroness forever or just telling them to eat shit and die
twilit roost
twilit roost
rich grove
my name is skyler white, yo
shy quiver
They call me the Doorman, yo.
I'm a Patron, yo!
Uh huh!
I know everything.
rich grove
https://v.redd.it/jls6o3fgzukf1 i'm going to lose my fucking mind
fickle thicket
is it worth trying to get into deadlock if i'm generally not very good at FPSs or mobas
rich grove
uuuuuuuuuuuuh
it's a fairly difficult game but there are some characters that don't require god aim to be effective
abrams dynamo kevin maurice etc
that said trying to wrap my brain around macro has been brutal, coming from a diet of primarily arena shooters
this is also with people who played a ton of dota in my usual group
somber creek
If you're good at movement shooters you might have an edge
finite patrol
kevin
rich grove
also unfortunately that makes it harder to carry playing those types of supports, while your actual carries may be....... suboptimal in their use of the space you create or time you buy
quiet sapphire
finally played a game as The Doormanâą
insanely fun
seven players really don't expect you to open a door above them and send a cart through whilst they're ulting
rich grove
HUUUUH
twilit roost
rich grove
iamthemilkman
mymilkisdelicious
twilit roost
The actual person's hand really makes it
agile void
nonbinary gaming
twilit roost
Mcginnis gaming is so back, feels so good to play again
maiden ledge
need help picking a playstyle if anyone has any recs
ive accidentally been picking up characters whose top rated community builds is "hit headshots" and i haveeennnnttt really been having the most fun i could be having?
near current
who have u been playing and what do u like/dislike abt them
maiden ledge
uhh
i got recommend talon by the game in my second match
he was okay
i just floated around and shot people
horizontal split brings me back to the apex mastiff so i wasn't like
struggling?
but the build i copied was like
hit headshots
and i didn't do that
there was also infernus, i just felt like i never did damage which is probably just because i was like buying random shit
i tried out uhhhh cop lady i immediately forgot who she was
pistol, barrel, jump pad, headshots, lasso
twilit roost
I mean Grey talon is all about landing his one and definitely demands you landing his 1. For interns headshots are a bit less important because of all his dot skills
For the cowboy then yeah she really needs good aim
maiden ledge
the build i put on had me constantly shooting which was fun but it was ehhh
couldn't get the most out of it
finite patrol
what kind of shooters and / or mobas do you play?
twilit roost
I would just try out different heros then if you want less headshot dependant ones?
maiden ledge
what kind of shooters and / or mobas do you play?
no mobas, i liked ultrakill, titanfall 2, team fortress 2, frogmonster, and uhh
forgetting a few
maiden ledge
I would just try out different heros then if you want less headshot dependant on...
yeah i might pick up mcginnis...?
she seems like a support backline
and i like toiling at the backlines
finite patrol
might wanna try lash if you like movement shooters
twilit roost
You can build turrets if you want but she's a very good gun character, like her ricochet debuff build
maiden ledge
You can build turrets if you want but she's a very good gun character, like her ...
?
twilit roost
I mean if you're looking for less gun centric builds that can hang back
finite patrol
you can do turret ult or gun mcginnis they are all good builds
maiden ledge
the minigun is nice for not needing to worry about hitting Every shot
twilit roost
Oh yeah go debuff ricochet mcguiness then, its like top 10 or so public builds i think? Look for the Trans catgirl
finite patrol
Sinclair might also be good for backline assholery though they're pretty hard to play
maiden ledge
Oh yeah go debuff ricochet mcguiness then, its like top 10 or so public builds i...
will do
thanks
maiden ledge
Sinclair might also be good for backline assholery though they're pretty hard to...
nodnod
could be good if i get more experience
twilit roost
I would also suggest door man and ivy so you have 3. Bomb ivy is always good and she can do a filthy gun build to destroy objectives
maiden ledge
Right now im just playing bot matches with friends because i am really not used to the MOBA formula
if that's telling of my experience level
twilit roost
100% the moba macro plus the shooting can be overwhelming, you can just kinda feel like an idiot juggling everything at times
maiden ledge
sure feels that way, even when im winning
twilit roost
Doormans gun is ass so you can go all in on his skills. I've been using the bell from hell build and thats been nice. Also you can do fountain hooks. Pulled one off today and its hilarious
rich grove
just drop 800 damage nukes every teamfight with minimal aim required, you have ice path for fast map rotations, the most mechanically intensively part of the character is not doming incorrectly
maiden ledge
kelvin oh he's annoying as shit. in the few pvp matches i played i hated fighting him
is there a character that just kills him
can i play that character
finite patrol
yeah it's nice to be on the other side of it
rich grove
buy toxic bullets and he will fold
finite patrol
no one
merry verge
gray talon remains my nemesis
rich grove
he's just a chunky boy
kevin will just kinda roll most lanes though it's really awful to deal with
twilit roost
I will say when he has his ice beam just go up and punch him especially in laning
Either free damage or he cancels it
rich grove
well the thing is that if he's woke you have just killed yourself
because he will react to the windup and parry and now your dumbass is eating 600 damage
that said at woodlo: nobody is doin that shit lol
maiden ledge
i really need to learn how MOBAs do anything too
im seeing mcginnis is best at split pushing...? like maintaining two lanes...?
rich grove
eh
twilit roost
That's just being a rat basically
finite patrol
deathy on YouTube makes pretty good educational content for beginners
rich grove
with the removal of inherent obj spirit resist I don't know if mcginnis is like THE splitpush character
maiden ledge
rat as in camping or rat as in scurrying
twilit roost
Scurrying
rich grove
granted with heroic aura/heal setups she can shred a walker pretty effectiively
not having a one-button Wave Eraser like geist or kevin always makes that claim feel pretty suspect, although I will grant you
the one player I've seen in this game named PUSHOBJECTIVES
was in fact on mcginnis
twilit roost
Also split shot because walker is big enough to land all 5 shots on
rich grove
not how that works
twilit roost
Shit it doesn't? Just started picking mcginnis up again after a while
rich grove
split shot is incredibly unintuitive and just acts as accuracy training wheels, more or less
maiden ledge
i like pushing objectives
rich grove
it works like grey talon's split shot which is to say you get zero damage bonus for hitting 5 shots compared to 1
oh also it tanks people's frame rate at high fire rate
so yknow
griefing tool also
twilit roost
Ah ok, just good for proccing maximum debuffs then for team fights. Makes geists malice look like a skill shot
(Assuming richochet)
rich grove
I have never seen it bought unironically or without the express intent of griefing other people's PCs
twilit roost
Oh I've been using it for the debuff ricochet build for her
It also gives a damage boost for every hero hit
maiden ledge
hmm
a griefing tool, huh?
maybe i can slap that on if I'm ever in a losing pvp match
twilit roost
Oh I double checked its plus 10 weapon damage for stack max of 6 so that can add up quick for team fights
finite patrol
the best split push hero is doorman
twilit roost
He's my favorite hook character now
finite patrol
split shot lets you push better because you hit the entire wave at one time
it's handy on vyper so you can focus on sliding instead of sliding and aiming
but yeah it's extremely niche
rich grove
there was someone theorycrafting splitshot viscoos before express shot got nerfed to have half-effectiveness on alt fire
you'd use split shot express shot alt-fire to insta any wave and then run at people with your p90
maiden ledge
i think i need a glossary to watch deathy's videos
finite patrol
really? when I watched them he was explaining a lot of basic moba concepts for people unfamiliar with the genre
maiden ledge
i just encountered a term i didn't know really early on, rest of the video was normal
though im still mixing up guardians and walkers
twilit roost
It is confusing how it goes guardians, walkers, then guardians again for the base. Wonder if that'll be changed
New third tier of boss
finite patrol
I am pretty sure base guardians and jungle creeps are both placeholders yeah
magic summit
is there a character that just kills him
Kelvin struggles against characters that either outrange him or burst him, especially if they are more dangerous up close than he is.
maiden ledge
Oh yeah go debuff ricochet mcguiness then, its like top 10 or so public builds i...
while i didnt find a trans catgirl, i did find a trans puppygirl selling some debuffs
do i imbue everything on the turret...?
magic summit
Kelvin is really good against a lot of the cast that wants to skirmish or shoot at mid range, but if you play someone like Yamato she both doesn't care about the fire rate slows and can close the gap to him regardless of being move slowed
Also that would be Rey's builds, I am guessing. Usually I think the builds come with recommendations on what to imbue but you usually imbue turrets for anything relevant to that
twilit roost
while i didnt find a trans catgirl, i *did* find a trans puppygirl selling some ...
was using this build for the richochet but I think your looking at the turret build
also doing my part to vote for paige
near current
VICTOR SWEEP
maiden ledge
was using this build for the richochet but I think your looking at the turret bu...
ohh okay
all debuffs
finite patrol
though I'm more interested in Paige because I want there to be a creep hero aside from mcginnis more than I want skeleton king
twilit roost
though I'm more interested in Paige because I want there to be a creep hero asid...
I think she's supposed to be a summoner hero so thats more interesting to me than another bruiser character
magic summit
creep hero?
Creep hero meaning someone that summons creatures, which in Dota the little npcs that walk down the lane are called "creeps". Also from dota Skeleton King is a hero that revives on death from his ult. Which a leaked kit of Victor has him revive on death from his ult.
finite patrol
I think she's supposed to be a summoner hero so thats more interesting to me tha...
yeah that's what I just said hahaha
you will hear people refer to troopers as creeps not irregularly
also minions which is what they're called in LoL
near current
have you considered bruisers are fucking awesome
rich grove
i genuinely dont know how many bruisers we have like abrams, mnk(?) and shiv
with mnk acting more like an assassin who just happens to be big
finite patrol
Paige and Victor are both doing something that not enough heroes do atm yeah
i would say yamato and geist are pretty good at chunking up the front lines
maiden ledge
Creep hero meaning someone that summons creatures, which in Dota the little npcs...
ohhh
magic summit
Viscous and recently Billy are also good examples of frontline heroes
Though if you more specify in this game "frontline" rather than "Bruiser" then Warden and Kelvin also fit more into that
near current
has anyone considered that victor is hot?
does anyone know hwo to fix your crosshair on the new heroes
twilit roost
has anyone considered that victor is hot?
Paige definitely did https://youtu.be/l4m_ypC1Ok8?feature=shared
near current
somber creek
rich grove
deathless
somber creek
Holiday is so fun when you really get the flow going
I probably would have done better but the same scenario kept happening
where I would hop in, they would blow everything trying to kill me, I'd get out with 10 health
and then my team would kill them
rich grove
yeah that's the thing about holliday
not only does she barrelpunch you for a gorillion damage she also just has the ability to run away from almost anything
because verticality is broken
autumn field
just discovered this thread
so, its a fuckin 3rd person MOBA game?
damn, first MOBA i might actually like, lol
finite patrol
smite was also 3rd person! didn't have the shooter elements
tardy sundial
uh was Battleborn first person?
warped ridge
monday night was 3rd person
battleborn was 1st person ye
also uhh
paragon 3rd person
unfortunately w/e the current paragon thingy isn't good/is not super alive IIRC
gigantic is also 3rd person
magic summit
autumn field
can someone invite me to play, if possible?
oh my god the movement guide is beautiful
so, this game has full parkour, with dashing (ideal), specialized builds (ideal), abilities (ideal)
i really like how the system has slide storage, it's very fun to have that stuff for getting moving at low speed
i also like how heavy melees can be used to mantle, that's fun stuff
rich grove
i also like how heavy melees can be used to mantle, that's fun stuff
try mantling then holding crouch to slide immediately after, by which I mean you should be doing this 100% of the time you mantle
autumn field
alas, this one cannot try this
gotta wonder, is there anyone whose whole thing is about abusing movement like doomfist in overwatch 1?
... man, this game is basically a 3D fighting game as im reading it, your abilities, melee, etc are all stuff that has frametimes and recoveries
i bet someone out there is labbing this shit
we got a 22 frame windup, 36 frame active, 17 frame recovery, and then there's negative on block (parry), lmao
(assuming flat 60fps)
shit, wallhopping too?
rich grove
gotta wonder, is there anyone whose whole thing is about abusing movement like d...
Billy and Lash have parts of Doomfist's kit and a general focus on up close play + fuckmongous amounts of burst damage from abilities and melee, but there's no 1:1 function
autumn field
lash sounds fun
rich grove
Lash is fully on oldschool DPS doomfist ZBRA montage shit because of how nuts his movement is
- the ability to instakill most squishies with access to a rooftop
autumn field
damn those cooldowns are long though, 19 seconds for "ground strike", 42 seconds grapple...
near current
theyre all reduced on upgrade/items
rich grove
it really doesn't stay that way
it's also not a hero shooter
autumn field
yeah ive never played this kinda game before (closest was destiny in terms of style, i think?)
rich grove
geist is about the closest it gets to overwatch length cooldowns, but uh
that's because she kills herself by casting them
you can also just buy your way up to much shorter cooldowns and you typically do
warped ridge
you've played mobas right?
rich grove
lash's ground strike doesn't really need to come off cd that fast because you want to take time to regain height before you use it, as its damage correlates to the height you fall when using it
warped ridge
if you've played mobas it's basically equivalent, the main difference is instead of auto-aim you have to use mechanical aim from action games
rich grove
that alone can take 3-4 seconds for a nice juicy rollout
autumn field
ive only played mlbb
rich grove
but his flog is eminently spammable and lets him get away from way more shit than he should because it's an enormous undodgeable cone
and it lifesteals a buttton
autumn field
and a few minutes of league stuff
i hated league, got through mlbb because it was a friend (and we had a relationship of sorts)
warped ridge
then yeah same premise-ish, lanes, items change how your character plays the most, most people have preference for ability prio
biggest difference is twitch shooting on cs score assuming that's still in game
rich grove
it's fun that the last hit minigame in lane is just discount pasu
rich grove
if you liked shooting in games like the finals where everyone can kinda come at you from any angle, you will enjoy the shooting in this game
autumn field
i love playing light in the finals
dashy movement, high momentum, good bouncy is the best
i wouldve main'd grapple if it wasnt so akward to use
rich grove
as a bog standard/below median aimer it's quite intensive playing an m1 hero against any non-bigbody character, especially when hypermobile characters like lash or pocket start flying around, teleporting, etc
autumn field
ive been spoiled by apex legends, it's one incredible grappling hook that reacts so smoothly, so nicely, sadly apex... last time i cheked it was shit
does this immobilize you or can you move?
rich grove
you're invuln and immobile
but you can teleport away instead of leaving the suitcase by using your coat if it's already active, letting you escape with zero chance to be interrupted
(sly or another pocket player can check me on this but I'm fairly certain that's how that works)
autumn field
i see
rich grove
pocket is another super pesky and mobile annoyance
autumn field
turns out lash with the maxed out cooldown item has 16.1 seconds of cooldown on his grapple
which is less than apex, lmao
(apex is a scaling 30 seconds)
rich grove
although they don't fly around everywhere and instead chain airglides/teleport/items like maj leap to pummel you
their 1 basically lets you warlock skate if you remember how that felt
get some good momentum by dropping off a zipline, pop 1 and you'll preserve all that momentum while shooting people with the death golfballs
autumn field
i never played enough destiny to get there
near current
but you can teleport away instead of leaving the suitcase by using your coat if ...
im 80% sure you have to leave suitcase first which gives a small chance to be interrupted
autumn field
but yeah, once you cooldown max (how hard is it to get 6400 of the cost?), seems like cooldowns are in-line with most hero shooters im familiar with
rich grove
maybe, it's been a sec since I played them but I'm pretty sure you're just outta there
autumn field
probably not the "ideal" option though
warped ridge
?
An opposing player may deny these Souls by attacking the Soul Orb instead. These will grant the Souls to the attacker and not the original killer. ```actually trying to hunt down a really good pocket player without specific counter-items is like trying to chase a bar of soap someone dropped into a skate bowl
near current
mainly im just mashing 2 as yamato on them
near current
but yeah, once you cooldown max (how hard is it to get 6400 of the cost?), seems...
you usually get 1-3 t4 (6400 cost) per match
rich grove
the number of times I've been totally embarrassed by a pocket player into buying silence wave is... unspeakable
autumn field
you usually get 1-3 t4 (6400 cost) per match
sweet
rich grove
more efficient probably to buy enchanter's emblem and t3 cooldown instead of the t4
costs 4800 instead of 6400 and enchanter's emblem is broken
rich grove
because the extra cost of going t3->t4 cdr is generally not worth it
warped ridge
snowball
autumn field
btw, tomorrow, can someone friend me on steam?
warped ridge
you'll find out as you play more that a lot of items are power spikes at certain points so if you're buying an item as a need or as a power spike, you might forgo finishing an item, same way like other mobas
rich grove
lash also froths spirit burn as his primary t4 so he can teamwipe with ground slam
near current
if u wanna drop friend code/acc here i can inv u tmrw
autumn field
1192153850
autumn field
you'll find out as you play more that a lot of items are power spikes at certain...
gotcha
ngl i just wanna see if i can finally have a good ability shooter type of game to play, that's got customization (items, in this case) and mobility (which this has)
rich grove
friend invite sent
warped ridge
it's a moba first
so be wary of that
but outside of that I usually see 2-3 builds per char
unless you're like
haze
and usually it's less different builds, more different builds to hit final builds
autumn field
yeah i do get that
its an moba
long cooldowns arent a super big issue if i can get reductions over time
i used to play moba a bit, just hated the experience of working around well, whatever the hell topdown controls are
warped ridge
yeah there's very few top down mobas that have existed that are wasd unfortunately
I hear league is getting it but
I'm not gonna go play league just for wasd
rich grove
you could spend hours just watching rollout vids on youtube
autumn field
how "fast" do you move?
warped ridge
depends on items
rich grove
"it depends"
rich grove
you can fucking zoom starring tim curry if you build for it
autumn field
bruh thats a motherfucking hammond rollout if i ever saw one
warped ridge
and there's like, different movement options for different chars, usually for me playing yamato/haze I would either have fast movement speed or do yamato grapple
autumn field
rich grove
fleetfoot lets you actively slide while shooting your gun (and thus, consuming 0 ammo)
stack with items like surge of power to become speedy speed boy running around the game on your ass
warped ridge
also I think for sliding
rich grove
alternatively, try our glorious king glorp stone and have the ability to omnidirectionally teleport every 15ish seconds
warped ridge
you can keep firing even if out of ammo or was that changed
autumn field
rich grove
alternatively alternatively, run superior stamina and dashjumpslidewallhopskate across the map for an orbital gank
autumn field
yeah this looks fun as hell
rich grove
alternatively alternatively alternatively, just stack sprint speed with boots and show up anywhere (if you don't accidentally shoot)
lotta ways to go fast and a lotta different textures of going fast
and again this is all universal items with no mentions of character kits
autumn field
peak
rich grove
when you join the discord you can probably just ctrl-F 'escape' and watch clips of various characters doing the stupidest shit imaginable to escape impossible situations
the amount of emergent comedy you get in low ranks from benny hill chase scenes makes up for all the malding
warped ridge
if you play enough you'll prob get some random enemy person malding and just trying to t-bag/taunt the entire game while their team loses
esp if you play haze
autumn field
mmmm
i feel like my goal would be "learn lash rollout, troll enemies"
kinda what i like to do whenever i have mobility
warped ridge
lash is gr8
autumn field
echo flank, hammond flank, doomfist flank, lucio flank boop, you get the idea
agile void
I would also suggest door man and ivy so you have 3. Bomb ivy is always good and...
thing is, the meta build of Ivy these days is her going gun/weirder vyper
short quiver
has anyone considered that victor is hot?
agile void
Paiige literally says "never put on a shirt" to him
tidal elm
everybody loves sad man Viktor
tame jay
runic cedar
new character was today right?
twilit roost
Yup vote results come out 5pm eastern time
merry verge
My assumption is Drifter
lethal mica
praying for paige
merry verge
I'm most curious bout her tbh
Can kind of make some assumptions about how the other two function
Which I'm still interested in
twilit roost
Real interested in a real summoner class or if she's just like summoning a knight that does one swing then goes away
merry verge
does Dota have a proper summoner, it has some folks that make minions but they always sort of feel tacked on
They're very different games I know just trying to consider
twilit roost
She also has a global ult thats gonna be nasty
merry verge
Oh there's proper info? I've mostly seen voice lines and postulation
twilit roost
Unless this is just a fake screenshot
somber creek
I mean she's datamined and playable
have to imagine if you can make this you can just play her
agile void
outdated kits
near current
yea we have models not full kits
well we might have victors full kit if nothing got changed
tardy sundial
what kinda kit is victor?
somber creek
Skeleton King
agile void
terminus ult
if you played paladins
basically revival on ult and apparently its an explosion?
near current
tardy sundial
ty
wintry arrow
*does Dota have a proper summoner, it has some folks that make minions but they ...
Phantom lancer, broodmother, visage, and warlock all have varying flavors of deeply important summon.
merry verge
I was sitting here like "does pl count, does meepo count" but yeye brood and warlock
finite patrol
lone druid
magic summit
Warlock is the main pure "summoner" archetype. His voiceline spawning in is "Who summons......the summoner!"
A lot of others might work the same mechanically but maybe not flavorwise to someones taste
autumn field
tried fucking around a bit
i like the movement
will take time to get used to
its hit the sweet spot for a parkour oriented game though, personally
merry verge
Some characters are real wild with it too, even without Stamina Upgrades and mobility items
Hell even Doorman adds a huge layer now with portalstuff
rich grove
PAIGE
tame jay
Book tim
twilit roost
tame jay
I fully expect drifter to be dead last đ
twilit roost
her maxxed 1 range with no items, deals damage and then leaves the burn effect. that's a wave killer
here's her skills just for convenience
finite patrol
so Wednesday Victor Friday Drifter then. I can't imagine Drifter beating Victor.
so she's not actually a summoner
rich grove
bizarrely
Paige's m1 has a +0 headshot bonus
they count as headshots but I don't think they do any bonus damage whatsoever
or like. it's +1 damage.
twilit roost
it also goes through multiple enemies
which I think is unique to all the other guns?
also +25% weapon damage base with spirit scaling that's kinda nuts
agile void
melee scaling with fucking spirit
ok this girl wants ALL the spirit she can get her hands on
somber creek
An Ezreal ult in this kinda game is weird
How do you snipe across the map when people got shmoovement
twilit roost
you dont, it's way too slow for that and contained. but nuts for hitting a team behind a building
somber creek
Why would anyone do that
near current
theyre fugly <//3
twilit roost
give me a dot or give me death
near current
sucks shes not a proper summoner
autumn field
you dont, it's way too slow for that and contained. but nuts for hitting a team ...
overwatch clips disagree, lol
tbf most of them are silly shits, but it happens sometimes
finite patrol
ideally you're lining this up through a whole team fight to get damage and healing out of it but yeah there's definitely the niche application of sniping someone that people will go for way often than it's warranted
merry verge
i'll admit the game not having mana costs or anything does make me go for shots I probably shouldn't
maiden ledge
wtf do i do against geist
near current
dodge bomb
twilit roost
Don't go to punch her whens she's on 1 health
finite patrol
toxic bullets
maiden ledge
is every solution going to include toxic bullets, should i just buy that every match
near current
anyone wanna play a couple matches
maiden ledge
or maybe i just have trouble with characters weak to toxic bullets
ill try to dodge whatever she does tho
near current
or maybe i just have trouble with characters weak to toxic bullets
theyre good against the heroes ppl complain abt
its good*
maiden ledge
writing buy it...every game...
finite patrol
Note that you want to know how your hero builds it up. if you look at the item with a given hero it will tell you the build up %ge.
some heroes just don't stack it very well
maiden ledge
ah
i tried out mcginnis in a bot match
didnt...make the game any faster unfortunately but
it was easier for me to play
rich grove
buy silence glyph and whack her with it the moment she dips below a quarter
she will be going for the greedy ass kinetic dash warp stone ult on you
near current
silence glyph gulp\
finite patrol
yeah silence glyph is huge against geist
merry verge
I do love that generally the counter to a hero is proper itemization not like counterpicking
Of course some folks are better against others but it never feels like hopeless
finite patrol
yeah not that many counterpicks in the game. shiv is great against geist. Kelvin is great against vyper. mirage is great against Abrams/Billy. but all of those matchups can be overcome.
near current
man parry baiting with fleetfoot feels so fucking awesome
finite patrol
heavy melee cancel is wild
near current
has anyone tried siphon bullets on billy
finite patrol
that would imply me being able to play him more than once
I think it seems like it'd be great. he has a good gun for it and max health steal is really good for sustain in long fights which is kinda what you wanna do
rich grove
he feels tanky enough but I can't tell if that's just what it's like when you're ahead
true damage always good
somber creek
He can stack a ton of health
merry verge
That + Blasted seems a real nightmare to take down
near current
it feels really good to keep stacking purples when ahead
somber creek
Not a lot of people have %health damage
somber creek
I fucking suck ass at Billy
at the very least whenever I play him everyone immediately drops everything to come kill me the instant I leave base
fickle thicket
https://www.twitch.tv/ster/clip/AgitatedSmallLorisNomNom-6x91Ar7ZxPF6DHHK
genuinely cannot parse a single thing happening here, but "Let me show you upstairs." is an absolutely outstanding one-liner for a polite doorman killing someone
autumn field
thats a nasty fucking combo
autumn field
genuinely cannot parse a single thing happening here, but "Let me show you upsta...
casted ult at start, then moves onwards, casts doorway to create a portal behind the enemies, enters said gate towards flying enemy, uses luggage cart to deal 180 dmg (via wall impact), then heavy melee to finish the job
merry verge
Mina could perhaps be toned down
merry verge
She just feels like she sort of does the High Damage Spirit Glass Cannon thing better than the other options on top of that
Teleport scaling with just spirit instead of like range specifically feels like a second passive other folks don't have
agile void
twilit roost
Matchmaking has been screwed up every game there's like 2 people on both teams who go 0-14
agile void
Matchmaking has been screwed up every game there's like 2 people on both teams w...
because there is like 51k players
agile void
before it was 10k on peak hours
twilit roost
More players would be better matchmaking
agile void
by this estimates
twilit roost
It's because of lack of rank decay
agile void
around 8 of 12 would be new/returning players
near current
there is rank decay
agile void
It's because of lack of rank decay
there is rank decay
doesnt change that the player is new or literally hasnt played since the 4 lane map
near current
it should put returning players together
agile void
merry verge
I'm so bad at Holliday
quiet sapphire
i put someone in the backrooms as doorman
twilit roost
Oh lol I thought you were abusing the invisible wall in spawn
quiet sapphire
oh no
twilit roost
This is way funnier
quiet sapphire
i just sent calico through a cart and through a door to underneath our walker
and then?
she gets put IN THE WALL?
like this is all i did
door under walker, door by calico
cart
--> ??? --> the backrooms
merry verge
The backrooms are just those Nightmare Tunnels beneath Disneyland but for the Baroness
This all tracks
quiet sapphire
they weren't lying
funniest thing was i thought she had just given us the slip
dash out, pounce, warpstone and then running
so when she said nice bug i thought she was talking about... carting people through a door?
hence my confusion
agile void
They have to wait for you to get out of the ult
meanwhile mo and the rest can kill you while you are disable
twilit roost
Also works because you can 3 into the void as ivy and take no damage
merry verge
fuck I never thought of that
rich grove
https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1n05lh6/know_the_workplace_rul...
in fairness sometimes you get somewhere between six and ten kills denied because your doorman ults someone out of black hole
finite patrol
i'm sorry that happened to you
rich grove
well I'm sure the enemy dynamo was very upset
the fucking patron face being the Skyler White, Yo meme is killing me
near current
losing games to macro is so fucking frustrating
maiden ledge
yeahh
im new enough to MOBAs that the way i see it is when i queue into pvp it's whoever's game
maiden ledge
like maybe i shoulda ran urn into the teamfight over a walker and did jungle and then bought a better build and and and
but like i dont know how to tell if anything im doing helps the macro game or not
warped ridge
Well theres like 3 main ways for you as an individual to do good macro wise
lavish grove
Truly, anything that gives your team more space to act freely helps the macro game
warped ridge
- Make yourself stronger and don't feed.
- Make your teammates stronger so they don't feed
- Make the enemies feed
lavish grove
Like thatâs really the key to macro
Itâs the ability to give your team the space they need to do what they need to do
merry verge
I feel helpful anytime I can like steal enemy boxes/jungle between business
Net Gains
lavish grove
The railways are a great way to gauge the macro game because they immediately tell you what spaces the enemy team can quickly respond to
warped ridge
If you give map awareness via wards, that prevents your teammates from feeding as they can see enemies trying to gank them for example
lavish grove
The more time they need to take to get somewhere, the better youâre doing in the macro game
merry verge
God I don't miss the Wards game in dota
maiden ledge
i can make my team stronger??
lavish grove
Besides assists, making the enemies weaker makes your teammates stronger
Or at least gives them more opportunities to get stronger
Itâs easy to farm when the enemy team is behind
maiden ledge
so shoot to debilitate
warped ridge
i can make my team stronger??
Taking out objs makes them stronger yeh
Cause shared souls + slot unlocks (assuming it wasn't changed)
maiden ledge
oh thats true
lavish grove
Oh yah that too
You can also make them literally stronger
And not just put them in a stronger position
warped ridge
I haven't played since last year so Idk what all has changes lel
maiden ledge
free slots
you get a set amount of slots to use however you like instead of like
four in orange
four in greeb
four in spirit
uhh
ivy got a new look
and doorman
thats about all the changes
twilit roost
well 3 vs 4 lanes now
lavish grove
Also the 5 other new characters
warped ridge
I haven't played since before mirage was added
merry verge
Every menu is cool now
twilit roost
midboss is in the basement, map looks 1000x better now
warped ridge
Also the 5 other new characters
Yeh the vampire girl is cute and Billy is cool af
lavish grove
Also speaking of, Paige being horny for Victor because heâs basically a hot version of Frankensteinâs monster is very funny
warped ridge
Monster? Don't you mean Frankenstein 
near current
Itâs the ability to give your team the space they need to do what they need to d...
unfortunately my team spends most of that space farming the jungle instead of aggroing walkers
i feel like players dont understand you need to put yourself at risk in order to take a walker
the jungle obsession + push-aversion is almost always an instant lose bc you no matter how well everyone played lane the enemy will get the upper hand in midgame
merry verge
I keep trying to show them the parry thing and have yet to see much pickup
rich grove
(you can't parry walkers)
near current
im assuming (hoping) they are talking abt guardians
maiden ledge
i will always win against high level punch optimizers because i never block or parry because i don't believe in that
i never get burst baited because i never burst
do not look at my win loss stats
lavish grove
Advice from a Billy/Abrams main, unbind your F key
What if you fat finger it while strafing?
You can never be to safe
lavish grove
And youâre right to do so
merry verge
See I love it for "bet you thought my low-rank ass would never"
Also because some people really get comfortable with the heavy punch
finite patrol
i laned against a billy and abrams as vyper last game, bought rebuttal first item, won lane effortlessly
autumn field
hmmm im not sure if i should continue building my satisfactory highway or if i should actually play deadlock
near current
play peak
rich grove
opposing billy asked "why am I against two hitlers" after being paired into me as yamato and doorman
then proceeded to get parried and go 0/2/0 while his vindicta went 0/3/0 and left 6 minutes into the game
twilit roost
opposing billy asked "why am I against two hitlers" after being paired into me a...
finally an answer to what's worse than hitler, two hitlers
agile void
opposing billy asked "why am I against two hitlers" after being paired into me a...
Did you buy rebuttal or was it just regular parrying?
because seriously half the time I see these fucks not even fake punches
I remember a sinclair that ALWAYS punched while I played with a friend
he went 7/10 because I know what is a parry button, my teammates not really since it was seeker