Uh your ult lets you turn things around like crazy
#Deadlock
jaunty garden
spiral slate
ooo
jaunty garden
And even if it's down just throwing bombs and shards can be really useful from long range later in the game
spiral slate
it does aoe silence on t3 now right? how worth it is it to build for that
jaunty garden
I get it last
I upgrade my bomb first for farming, then the suck for fighting, then shards, and finally ult
I usually put two points in shards first into everything in bomb into everything in suck
You're usually not able to get middle of enemy team positioning
Nor would you want to
spiral slate
Is suck t3 worth getting before ult upgrades given its no longer a silence and instead charges
jaunty garden
I think so yes
If you have rapid recharge you can suck someone for like 30s in a row
twilit roost
You can even suck multiple people now
spiral slate
is the support aspect of it worth anything at all or is it more a gimmick
jaunty garden
Yeah although it's worth noting imo that in general geist does not want to fight lots of people at once
Uhm
The main usage for me is if I want to be lower HP before a flight
Fight
Or if I'm about to leave anyway I can top someone up
spiral slate
gotcha
what about itemization? what does geist want and whu
in terms of like damage items
in terms of like damage items
ahhh dammiuit work wifi sent it twice
jaunty garden
I don't have it all memorized but you can check out my build
spiral slate
Cheers
jaunty garden
Generally berserker and the spell vamp item for gun
You need spirit resist since it applies to your self damage
And then you want mystic reverb going into the late game because it's very funny with your ult
spiral slate
oh right ive seen clips of that shit hitting for 2k
jaunty garden
Yeah between the spirit amp items and just it swapping hp
It'll just one shot people
spiral slate
sounds fun
jaunty garden
It's kinda rare tbh
But it can happen
You have to build up a lot of ee or shard stacks usually
spiral slate
makes sense
jaunty garden
Yeah there's weapon builds for her
That focus on the gun being very good
For hitting headshots
But you gotta be really good at pistol shots to the head
I prefer her more bomb and bruiser focused builds
agile void
helps that the gun actually hurts and with your mag size you have to make every shot count
i remember people complaining how geist is arguably more of a sniper than talon or vindicta
jaunty garden
Yah
Her gun builds can feel VERY snipery
Because her projectile speed is so good
agile void
I had this match yesterday
the shiv was annoyed that we didnt jumped to help him fight a dynamo and haze and started calling us trash me and geist
while we were finishing up the match I told him I would laugh if I end up getting more dps than him
which he retorted with "Yeah you might because the game is too generous"
seeing him be the lower dps besides poor bebop felt nice
I was kudzu spamming but still, I was in the goddamn teamfights and I got the assists
agile void
we arent even paying shit
they arent even getting monetary compensation with any of this shit we do, we just test the game, point out bugs or how we feel about shit then just do it
buoyant plank
oh no this game in closed alpha is losing players
I do need to start playing it again though
is cat lady in yet
jaunty garden
Nah
No new characters made it out of hero labs
We got a few new ones added to hero labs though
agile void
ther is also christmas skins
buoyant plank
permanent skins or just temporary
jaunty garden
Temporary for the monsters and boxes
spiral slate
I will say tho idk about y'all but I've been getting really annoyingly stompy games lately
magic summit
I would be deeply interested in what a map skin would look like, like they have in Dota
jaunty garden
I'm sure we'll get them eventually
But they need to actually finish the map first
They're changing it every two weeks ATM
twilit roost
jaunty garden
OH SHIT
pulsar bison
don't use that word like this please
agile void
It is what it is
those 2 have been a problem in hero labs
everyone who played as or against them confirmed me that
ivory reef
jaacker, we literally have a server rule against war crimes humor
this is not a point to push back on
agile void
fine
getting called out is already common with me I wasnt even going to fight it back
jaunty garden
Maybe you should change your behavior if you get called out so often
pulsar bison
what exactly did you mean by 'it is what it is' then
agile void
those 2 chars are broken and the people that played against them have been dreading them to come over to normal gameplay if they didnt received any changes
pulsar bison
okay, so you were pushing back
like you can talk about that without using 'war crime' as a term. you can just use other words
ivory reef
getting called out is already common with me I wasnt even going to fight it back
to put a mod bow on what everyone else is saying: jaacker if you "keep getting called out" that's not a sign of a happy equilibrium it means you're gonna accumulate strikes if this keeps happening
anyway, happy to move on for today
agile void
I just keep feeling that some people either have paper thin skin or cant take a joke, The only time I understood I was being a nuisance is for some posts that people would consider horny, and after that I stopped posting anything that may have any sort of innuendo
There is a limit and a time for everything, I understand, but if multiple times I just get called out for random stuff or terminology, because I bothered to fucking talk over a dota match because I wanted to know what is going on, or manage to push buttons that I wasnt even aware off in the server, understand that I get annoyed too
spiral slate
thankfully it seems calico has a completely different kit at least
agile void
its magician, viper, calico and holliday added to normal gameplay
agile void
I know that magician is more annoy or spirit dependand
ivory reef
There is a limit and a time for everything, I understand, but if multiple times ...
and yet, somehow, everyone else can manage this standard and we don't smack 50% of our members. thousands of people manage to find the overton window and sit within it just fine
ivory reef
I just keep feeling that some people either have paper thin skin or cant take a ...
'paper thin skin' and 'can't take a joke' is a sign that you're just an asshole
jaunty garden
Sigh
agile void
whatever Im not going to continue this
agile void
another change is apparently maagician becoming echo/loki
he does not have an ult but as an ult he can copy other ults
upbeat perch
he does not have an ult but as an ult he can copy other ults
"you rang?"
finite patrol
who's this loser?
upbeat perch
sylas is specifically a "ult steals ult" character as opposed to rubick
steep flicker
He's also a carry as opposed to a support
upbeat perch
now that i think about it, sinclair's 1 ability is a zoe Q
agile void
anyone tried the new calico, holiday or got dumpstered by vyper?
frail jasper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qbYgUKyxHQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOioFnp8nKA&t=1s
videos for two of them
calico seems neat, viper seems like a bullet hose
buoyant plank
I still can't get over how dota 2 viper looks
buoyant plank
https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/01-19-2025-update.53961/
I see nothing about the game has changed
every patch I've ever seen still being bebop nerfs :v
jaunty garden
To be fair, bebop has just pivoted to gun build recently, which is what the nerfs are targetted at
Was stupid stronk
buoyant plank
Yeah I just find it funny that when I took a break, bebop was getting a change multiple times a week
rich grove
primal wolf
finite patrol
least helpful mirage
primal wolf
I was coaching my friend who was playing pocket
I did a LOT of legwork in the first half, and was mainly on creep duty once I got ricochet
I definitely have been using teleporters a lot more than I have in the past now that I’m so dreadfully slow
agile void
When I played people barely used tps in my rank
finite patrol
nooooo
thorn lion
wtf?
rich grove
they realized solo lanes are the most sleep-inducing snorefest ever to exist so they said fuck it
three duos
god bless
thorn lion
solo lanes are a snore fest?
rich grove
oh boy time to freeze the wave and refuse to interact with my opponent because if I so much as sniff the air outside they will oneshot me with 600 burst damage at level 0
💤
warped ridge
upbeat perch
up next: dust2 rework
rich grove
also god forbid you play someone like Ivy
"well I can't kill a creep in a single mag at level 0 sooooooooo yeah"
"guess I'll just make myself well-acquainted with these stairs for the next ten minutes"
twilit roost
Troopers no longer need to be last hit by a player in order to generate souls, as long as you are nearby. Troopers no longer have the "near death" flashing behavior.
always in a duo so support stocks rising?
rich grove
I'M SAYING
warped ridge
> Troopers no longer need to be last hit by a player in order to generate souls,...
Wait so is confirm/denying still a thing?
twilit roost
yeah, just now you don't need to hit them for the soul to pop out
jaunty garden
Looks like they un-spidered Trapper?
finite patrol
Harry du Bois ass fit
tame jay
finite patrol
big boy
finite patrol
in da conk creet jungle bay bee
twilit roost
it better have fun and games
twilit roost
wow it feels like they moved all the verticality down into the subway instead of up
(also new explore the map mode)
jaunty garden
I approve of that personally
twilit roost
the midboss arena now is basically flipped and mid is right over it
primal wolf
every update feels like two steps forward and three steps back
Holiday, Vyper, and Calico needed more time in herolabs they still feel so horrible to deal with
Sinclair is okay, but rabbit hex goes through cube
there isn't really a counterplay to rabbit hex
spiral slate
it's an aoe projectile, right?
primal wolf
its a status iirc
primal wolf
buoyant plank
I always love valve game player names
Being able to change your name for the bit at any time is something that's forgotten in modern gaming
primal wolf
My friend is oh hey and I’m ok bye
thorn lion
the fact most services charge you for a namechange is nuts
rich grove
i think all services should charge you so you can change someone else's name
warm sonnet
You should be named by other people for realism
jaunty garden
Just, bebop killing people a lot?
It looks like a general stomp game
Happens sometimes
agile void
The hell Am I doing here, im a emmisary
jaunty garden
Low player numbers mean queues weird
primal wolf
I'm stuck in dumbass teammate hell
its really not hard to push
also Sinclair is an incredibly easy character
dare I say one of the easiest
primal wolf
nvm all I had to do was lock in
buoyant plank
That name is so fitting for vindicta
buoyant plank
I should really get back into deadlock
just a bit bummed they changed calico's moveset
primal wolf
game is still kinda ass but I'm having fun sometimes
agile void
first time playing abrams after not using him for a while
agile void
calming down after the win
see ascendant
wtf
primal wolf
I swear sinclair is the single easiest character in the game
throw down the fucking assistant, and just rake in the free damage
primal wolf
nvm seven is the easiest character in the game
primal wolf
lost because of a teammate that was less than average intellect, but I got a +45 bird
primal wolf
you though 90k was high, I reached 100k player damage on Talon
primal wolf
another 90k+
agile void
Had a match where I was abrams and my partner was Vyper
vs warden bebop
we lost the lane ofc and the game
primal wolf
Warden has crazy scaling on his headshot multiplier
agile void
Warden has crazy scaling on his headshot multiplier
And warden traps you after bebop hooks you
vyper shitted on me for not going in
why the fuck would I?
primal wolf
exactly
it should of been Vyper diving
not you
They have the smaller hitbox, and they arguably do more damage
ribbing you for not diving a lane from hell is CRAZY
primal wolf
only worse lane I can think of is Calico with a Bebop or Warden
agile void
vyper had like 6 or 7 deaths after laning, me 3 or 4
primal wolf
I went up against that as a Kelvin with an Ivy lanemate, and we BARELY squeaked by because I kept doing the ice dome on the Calico
agile void
It just annoyed me how heblamed me like I could fucking do anything in that comp
if it was just bebop or warden MAYBE
primal wolf
thats vypers for you
primal wolf
ALL of them are like that
It used to be a subsection of Ivy and Infernus players but those freaks got a new toy, and now they all shift blame constantly
buddy I'm playing fucking Talon
I can't dive, thats what you're for
agile void
mind you
im not a good player
and Im considering stop using abrams
because I just lack that murder drive to go in
agile void
but jesus that just made me outright stop using him
primal wolf
he's for sure not my character but I do get the appeal
primal wolf
I’m so fucking tired of Haze man
Both of them farm all game, and barely contribute to pushing
warped ridge
I haven't played in a bit but it depends for me
Usually I push if it's safe but I'm not going to push if 2 enemies are missing
primal wolf
If you’ve played over the summer you’ve played this patch, difference is more farm and one less lane
Seven and Haze ult builds win every team fight
The rounds devolve into “who can kill the carry first”
warped ridge
Sep 26th last year
Last time I played I got bullied out of lane constantly from greylocker
primal wolf
Gun talon or spirit talon
warped ridge
Idk, they just kept spamming long range abilities and it would plink me for 20% of my hp every shot
merry verge
The rounds devolve into “who can kill the carry first”
tbf this is slightly a curse of the Genre, there's always going to be That Character
primal wolf
tbf this is slightly a curse of the Genre, there's always going to be That Chara...
True, there’s always the issue of Calico going a metric fuckton of damage with just two gloom bombs
Holiday’s kit also is CC hell
agile void
ah shit
agile void
Poor Ivy was suffering
she managed to land 2 or 3 of the timings for the Urn
and every time I was like
"AND HERE COMES ABRAMS WITH THE KNOCKDOWN"
primal wolf
Had two games back to back where it was a stomp for my team
Seven and Haze need to be dialed back desperately
agile void
no idea about haze but Seven does need some nerfing or the camps need to be lowered
agile void
jesus christ
agile void
Me when I go lowest player damage as abrams, but decent Obj damage and go like 3/18/16 pondering if I was a burden/feeding or better than like the haze that goes 5/7/1 with no obj damage.
warped ridge
Depends on a lot of stuff
EG what are your goals and why
Also depends on if playing ranked (Idk if game has ranked yet)
thorn lion
Me when I go lowest player damage as abrams, but decent Obj damage and go like 3...
the eternal math of moba games
agile void
at least the assists showed I was in the teamfights
agile void
Did what I could but the haze just kept feeding
primal wolf
primal wolf
agile void
noticeable stomp
agile void
I would find it risky to drag it out when the teamcomp is lash/dynamo
magic summit
X
agile void
we won too
mine was an L
agile void
a W
primal wolf
heal kelvin is such a good role to play
agile void
heal kelvin is such a good role to play
if anything Im surprised I surpassed geist
agile void
Yeah not surprised there
agile void
at least high assist count
mild flume
the pie is so good
primal wolf
had a fucking nutso round where I absolutely styled on a bebop
didn't die a single time either
honest owl
dang the onboarding does seem kinda awful rn
ig i've also never played a hero shooter
twilit roost
thorn lion
I mean farming gets me more DoT so I must do it
twilit roost
I love these for just being a specific snapshot of people's grievances with the meta at the time
magic summit
Very early on in the game I picked Infernus solely for his ability to blitz the farm on the map
In the good old days where people didn't realize how much money you could make just flash farming the jungle
Now I have to share the gold
agile void
I love these for just being a specific snapshot of people's grievances with the ...
tbh there is a point where people are playing farmlock than the actual game
I stayed in lane 1 minute, wraith was close by farming, waiting for her to finish so we can take down the guardian
another minute passes
"Hey wraith come over so we can finish the guardian"
ignored
then after saying "more like farmlock on your case" in all chat she finally decided to help me get the guardian
the other 2 guardians were down so it wasnt that needed but still
primal wolf
In the good old days where people didn't realize how much money you could make j...
telling me man
back in MAY
hell
back in June through August
magic summit
One day when it actually comes out into 1.0 I'm sure there will be a big influx of players who have zero moba experience again
primal wolf
even now you can kinda find those people so long as you aren't Archon+
the game fucking deranked me, and now I'm pubstomping as Talon
it feels so bad man
I had to pick up Kelvin, and Shiv to push my rank anywhere near those other guys
I still think Archon is like the peak of the game, mostly cus Oracle+ is hell on earth
magic summit
I played a few games with the map update recently when I hadn't played in a long time and it put me down in Archon
Which does make it funny finding people that still think they can charge punch me in the back of the head
agile void
what a horribly designed character
Metal skin works on her ult now btw
they reverted the change of making it half spirit
agile void
I have NO idea how I got this
I wasnt expecting to be the fucking carry
this is literally my 10th match as Paradox, tf happened here?
ivory reef
what a horribly designed character
Hey I just glanced at this thread - really don't like this road rage posting energy
ivory reef
Haze is so fucking bad man
If you're not enjoying the game just stop playing it, let's keep the hatedom stuff out of pnet
primal wolf
That’s fair, I’ve just started ganking Haze/Calico/Seven, because matchmaking doesn’t always yield the most equal of ELO matches
My last 4 games were absolute stomps that felt fairly easy. I’m Archon 6 going up against Ritualist 2 teams
primal wolf
me and the homie causing issues
agile void
I see this teamcomp
I said to my team
"hey get knockdown for talon and vind"
20 minutes in
im the only one with knockdown
end of the match? no one else had fucking knockdown
Jesus christ why the hell people dont buy fucking actives or dont want to stray away from their cookie cutter builds?
honest owl
s'a hard game
agile void
it just pisses me off how im ALWAYS the one that has to get the counter items
beyond shit like toxic bullets or healbane
but slowing hex?
knockdown?
fucking curse?
always me, regardless of what I fucking pick
primal wolf
hellish team
I was our team captain, damage, and moral support
we almost lost, then pulled through last second with a shove
primal wolf
sweating like a fucking pig after I carried my last game
I was the designated healer, and spent 44 minutes keeping neanderthals alive
primal wolf
magic summit
primal wolf
It’s true
Thinking about the buying items thing, you’re gonna be hard pressed to find anyone who wants to go outside their build
agile void
when Im vibing as kelving either the matchmaking is unbalanced or Im doing a good job
agile void
so we lost the midmap tps
honestly glad it did, the main strategy was win a sidelane, then snowball into the other
spiral slate
every now and then i get the urge to try a new character but then i remember i don't want to be stuck in seeker any longer
so i get stuck playing the same two or three i already know well
magic summit
every now and then i get the urge to try a new character but then i remember i d...
I got into that situation with Pocket, which is a problem because I don't have to aim on pocket like I need to on other characters
Thankfully if I don't get Pocket the matchmaker doesn't instantly send me to the Ascendant lobbies anyways
spiral slate
is there a process or something to rank up faster? i want my queues with my buddy in a higher rank to be a bit quicker
agile void
not really, your rank is there for a reason
actually the game counts your rank as lower if you are using a char you barely use
I was thrown into blue/green ranks as a yellow/orange rank just because I was learning dynamo
agile void
So
I was playing with a friedn
and 3 of us just really hated a paradox
for some reason
agile void
then everyone kept pointing out that he pushed forward ALWAYS, regardless if they were alone or with allies
and they didnt engaged in shit, he was 0/12/3 by minute fucking 35
only when we pointed out that they were a scaredy cat that barely engaged on shit started getting some kills
agile void
HALF OF HIS FUCKING DAMAGE TO PLAYERS WAS THANKS TO THE FUCKING DOT
I mean Im no better getting 19 deaths, but If I was dying, 70% of the time someone was coming down with me
twilit roost
small update coming
agile void
this cant be real and you cant hurt me
Deathy was found
stopped the stream
deleted the vod
rich grove
oh my god lmao
agile void
and he acted like that didnt happened
agile void
Poor guy is probably getting his special thing removed asap
twilit roost
they de-gremlined Ivy go back!
rich grove
WHAT THE FUCK POCKET HAIRCUT BUFF
twilit roost
still no new Yamato model lol
agile void
people pointed out
the guys that got new designs
most of them appear in the novel
the novel is all around geist and abrams
we know mginnis is there, same with ivy and dynamo
so I guess wraith and pocket are going to be in there too
tame jay
Holy shit pocket with real hair
tame jay
I can’t believe they woobyfied ivy tho
rich grove
its so fucked
twilit roost
I like the new mginnis model
rich grove
that gun remodel is ridiculous and stupid and beautiful
tame jay
We love afronts to the laws of engineering
rich grove
it's very silly but the gun was a super big question mark for me in terms of fitting with the worldbuilding and art style
agile void
literally just a snake
twilit roost
warped ridge
literally just a snake
no boobs or butt hmm
maybe they'll cause a stir with this decision
merry verge
This one's an improvement I will say, this one's agood
agile void
50/50 just because its a snake with arms
give her a bandolier or something else so its not just a snake with a smg
merry verge
I think the wip sticker does imply that
tame jay
literally just a snake
Lets goooooo
twilit roost
https://www.reddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1khp4ob/more_leaks/ great art even if it's fake
agile void
thorn lion
oh hey I might get back into it when I can put images to items, looks pretty good
rich grove
PATCH
rich grove
ORCHID MALEVOLENCE
merry verge
just straight up
rich grove
THEY GAVE HER SWAG
thorn lion
"we can do it!" get up
tame jay
Hot damn mcgunnis
magic summit
First match on the patch and I have just this to say
Buy Spirit Burn on Pocket
You can and will kill people from the grave just with your ult
God the shop looks actually good now. And the bases aren't just an untextured halo map
agile void
WE ARE PLAYING FUCKING THIRD STRIKE
NOW
COUNTERSPELL COUNTERS ULTS
jesus christ
fuck shiv ult
fuck vindicta ult
parried
magic summit
Why wouldn't it be
agile void
It also doesnt get you DoTed
you can parry dynamo ult too and have like a few frame window to get unstopabble or warpstone away
rich grove
that's a relatively generous window on the parry
agile void
that's a relatively generous window on the parry
remember, ping is a thing
rich grove
I mean I don't know why I'm surprised in hindsight given it's
yknow
a parry
with the exact same timing as the regular parry for melee attacks
agile void
yeah but I mean, if ping is a thing, you have to parry beforehand
but yeah, you can parry everything
even talon owl
upbeat perch
does the owl only grow spirit power (or was it just damage?) on kill?
primal wolf
I am the GOLDEN GOD
agile void
kill, or assist if they die like 5 or so seconds later
@upbeat perch also its not just power for the bird
is spirit for the whole char
agile void
I wonder if cultist sacrifice will become meta, it is 1 active slot
agile void
agile void
me trying to create a build after playing enough
agile void
with these kinds of games I dont even know if I can change the outcome or I could have done something different
agile void
Im just going to take a fucking break
edgy fog
I accept her
thorn lion
i recognise the VA, but I can't tell where from
twilit roost
highest soul count in a game i've seen, apologies for the sub inititiate gameplay lol
agile void
tbh that last dialogue I think its specifically from seven asking how he didnt just get nuked
finite patrol
brazenly proclaimed "i dont die" when lash told me to get out and stop overextending as mirage while i was 5/0/5
ended up going 9/0/20
never punished
rich grove
rich grove
yes the item is broken
agile void
yes the item is broken
in chars that can do aoe shit and want a shit ton of spirit, or straight up lady geist
finite patrol
just anyone with dot or a low cd spell it's incredible sustain
magic summit
I have learned of some new technology which has been effective for me
Get Escalating Exposure, Decay, Glacial Blast on Calico
It takes a lot of money to get going, but if you focus on boxes with the cat form you can avoid a lot of danger with a high networth
Pictured: ACAB
In this I should have waited a bit for decay to do its Escalating Exposure stacks tbh
magic summit
I just wondered if he was mad about that. Whole team is at urn having a fight, he decides to go push out a lane
And there I am
Behind a fucking van waiting for him
rich grove
the tilt ult lol
agile void
Get Escalating Exposure, Decay, Glacial Blast on Calico
escalating exposure and decay is probably enough, you would probably get more utility buying another item than artic blast
either toxic bullets or other spirit since you are building spirit
hell tankbuster would work too
magic summit
I don't think I will be doing that
You can use artic blast during cat form and guarantee a hit with 6 gloom bombs
rich grove
wait I just checked the corner- why the hell do you have 11000 souls
are you just doing the thing where you catmaxx and steal the enemy team's entire boxes and knock their minions off zip and run away
magic summit
are you just doing the thing where you catmaxx and steal the enemy team's entire...
Yes.
I get sprint boots and torment pulse and focus on accruing wealth
My relative lack of fighting power is made up for the fact I can join most any fight on the map and can catch people out of position
rich grove
the first time I saw a calico just invading our base at the 5 minute mark for no reason I was deeply confused until minions magically stopped spawning
magic summit
Until suddenly I have my item combos and i can just. Do the above to people
You should honestly focus on the boxes more than the fact you can stealth kill creeps tbh. Taking all the boxes from the enemies denies them money while not starving your team
Just keep a rough timer in your head to check back on your bix trails in 3 to 4 minutes
magic summit
Upon further consideration of like 20 games doing that I have decided I actually hate box maxxing
It is a boring task
An effective but boring task
I think I prefer Calico as a roaming duelist rather than the like. Gloom bomb assassin meme I was doing
rich grove
I somewhat dislike that it is actually a strat because encouraging people to afk farm is smelly
magic summit
I think Calico should probably have the T2 movespeed buff on catform nerfed a bit
That would fix it. Cause it's not like boxmaxxing is egregious on anyone else
agile void
That would fix it. Cause it's not like boxmaxxing is egregious on anyone else
She was actually one of the egregious examples
there was a patch in which if you hit boxes with an ability it would ALWAYS yield bonus or souls
imagine how dynamo or calico did in that patch
agile void
agile void
I just tried my hand making a build for the char I have the most confidence in. Ivy
agile void
Uh, wasnt expecting that
well. kinda, checking the other LatAm builds there is only like... 3, 2 are Gun ivy and the other one is marked as obsolete, Im the only spirit Ivy
magic summit
boxxmaxx calico build nerfed
tbh I think boxmaxxing on her is still mostly the same, just you can't do some more offensive stuff in cat form, like just building things like Magic Carpet and Scourge with Torment pulse and just being a lightning fast cat zipping around peoples heads
rich grove
tbh I think boxmaxxing on her is still mostly the same, just you can't do some m...
well the actual box values have been hit over the head with a mallet
so hoovering up boxes does relatively less as well
quick inlet
Vyper is really fun
magic summit
Vyper is really fun
My friend got really tilted at Vyper and in response has been spamming it every day for the past week
Which is fascinating to watch
Because he'll get almost always the least hero damage. But always, every time, the most objective damage
Just waits until a teamfight happens then slides at a walker and deletes it
finite patrol
has he considered learning to aim : P
magic summit
The crazy part is he has amazing aim. He's an Apex and R6 player
He has simply chosen to avoid every teamfight and just rat
I would be angrier about it if it didn't work so much
Whole fight will happen mid and he'll have taken base guardians and both shrines at 20 minutes
rich grove
playing objective based game
look inside
playing the objective
agile void
yeah ratting or being the fucker that just avoids a teamfight to just eat objectives is a real strategy
hell even on his way out he can eat camps, even if he feeds the souls are still on him rather than the enemy
quick inlet
Because he'll get almost always the least hero damage. But always, every time, t...
Thats crazy because her damage is ridiculous
agile void
Thats crazy because her damage is ridiculous
apparently in pro play she is actually weakish
mostly because she is full damage, her ult has strong cc so there is that
like compared to wraith, which has her 3 and the ult helps confirm kills. and the only teleport that goes close to her is pockets
agile void
sometimes I wonder if I should just spam aggresive heroes and go full carry because seriously sometimes I cant do shit as supp
finite patrol
support is for stacks
finite patrol
horrifying team comp lmao
rich grove
Oops! All Supports
rich grove
Scourge is so fucking funny man
I spotted it in the build I'm using and was like hang on I'm Kevin and I have an Abrams
what if I just put it on him every single fight
and it ended up being my second highest source of damage that game lol
admittedly I had 18000 beam damage and then 2000 scourge but like
yknow how it is
primal wolf
horrifying team comp lmao
Bebop was having trouble most of the lane, so it was up to me to run around like a fucking idiot doing dumbass plays so he could farm
magic summit
Scourge is so fucking funny man
Yeah I'm unsure why it can be applied to allies, if it was only yourself it would still be really strong
Consistent application of Escalating Exposure and a lot of spirit resist
rich grove
Yeah I'm unsure why it can be applied to allies, if it was only yourself it woul...
I think it's cool that there are more proactive active items that aren't just "fuck we need to kill their seven/lash/pocket/etc" and I like the idea of offensive support items as well. alc fire is a cool idea but outside of exactly grillmaster vindicta nobody buys it. if it was "you can't put it on yourself" I think I would like it even more
spiral slate
used to love alch fire on mo and krill
rich grove
oh true
mo and kerillian oneshot ult build still runs it
lash dropped it and I don't think kevin gives a shit anymore cause he can just kill you with beam or spirit burn nades
spirit burn in general is just like
yeah this item is t4 but it also is the only counterplay to thanos heroes so
magic summit
I see a lot of McGinnis players get it
Cause you can wall and toss it on them
I do think it's good that they leaned into the fact a lot of people want to play a support role by actually giving T4 items aimed towards allies
I will say I too often see like two different people build only healing items and we suddenly deal exactly zero damage
rich grove
I used to healmaxx on kevin but tbh
in solo q you just play damage and then buy healing nova or rescue beam to fishing line your dumbshit carry
maybe div barrier if you want to make pocket uninstall
magic summit
maybe div barrier if you want to make pocket uninstall
Most dynamos I see rush the barrier items. Idk why it's so ubiquitous, maybe some popular build
rich grove
i genuinely dfk beyond it being generically okay at pocketing
agile void
Most dynamos I see rush the barrier items. Idk why it's so ubiquitous, maybe som...
Enchanter emblem gives conditional cooldown
Its a no brainer to get + improved cooldown for blackhole
agile void
I think it's cool that there are more proactive active items that aren't just "f...
Alch fire + Cultist sacrifice gives you almost half of the investment bar
if you want to start ratting and splitpush, the combo allows you to down a walker in 10 seconds or less
I get it on ivy to make the enemy play floor is lava + kudzu
magic summit
Every time you ping me I need to like
Double check my post
To make sure I didn't type something completely wrong
Cause how did Enchanters Emblem get into the convo there
About barriers
rich grove
time traveller from one patch ago
finite patrol
veilwalker my beloved
agile void
I forgot emblems stopped being the barrier item
going to the succ side with lady gyatt
finite patrol
why do you have to say it like that
agile void
Skibidi toilet the rizzler ohio gozaimazu
twilit roost
agile void
Weirdest match I have come across
the sinclair has been talking in portuguese all this time, I didnt understood shit, and he then went to fucking blue to make it a 3v2
leaving me alone
but the seven and the hollyday were not good and I managed to stand my ground despite being a 1v2 and since I was alone even if I lost the guardian first I got so fed I just ran as a fucking train through the whole team
rich grove
I cannot overstate how bad it is to crash someone else's lane for any extended amount of time
it's so funny how quickly their econ just craters
agile void
I cannot overstate how bad it is to crash someone else's lane for any extended a...
I mean at least win your fucking lane
dont just leave them to fuck off
agile void
yeah but FUCKING WAIT FOR ANYTHING TO HAPPEN
rich grove
just randomly saying yep
agile void
DONT JUST GO THERE MINUTE 0'
finite patrol
just hold lane 3 minutes I'm doing boxes
agile void
look at how fucked the economy in vindicta and infernus went
on top of this fucking weirdo
agile void
I hope he just DOES NOT do this every time he plays
rich grove
haze looking like the guy at the end of the gravy pipe
finite patrol
how does haze have 20 kills but you outfarmed her
rich grove
probably a bunch of kills in base
agile void
how does haze have 20 kills but you outfarmed her
BECAUSE I WAS FUCKING ALONE FOR 5 MINUTES
AND I WAS GOING FOR WALKERS
rich grove
that's how I get random soul leads anyway
but I've also never had anyone divorce me in lane and take the kids
I have seen this used every so often in DFN as a genuine strat but it's kinda difficult for most of the pos1s to hold down a lane solo
finite patrol
infernus + vindicta vs viscous + Dynamo is a hilarious lane match up btw
rich grove
dynamo cries in a corner for 30 minutes while goo creature waddles around
agile void
The dynamo was running A GUN BUILD
not even stomp related
full gun and gun lifesteal
no purple in sight
agile void
I was basically the older kid in a daycare that will proceed to abuse my status as the older person in the room to bully the kids
just
just
I was 1 tier 3 item above everyone else
agile void
enemy team within 800 yours within 7600
I was more or less getting 1.1 or 1.2k souls per minute
finite patrol
i didnt even realize a game could end in 16 minutes
we took first guardian 3 minutes in after 4 kills in lane
i feel bad for the dynamo who was laning with that haze
Haze: "im a lane bully! im going to play super aggressive and dynamo will back me up!"
Warden and Mirage:
mirage bought ricochet at 15min
rich grove
🗿
rich grove
finite patrol
I shouted "pluey tomorrow?" in chat a few days ago at game start and viscous said "pluey today in my time zone" and then they fed like crazy and lost us the game.
finite patrol
trying to follow mikaelS shiv build and i think this guy is just too far beyond me this has no sustain unless youre way ahead and kill everyone instantly
gonna have to lean on my fortitude crutch
finite patrol
beam
finite patrol
shiv left at ~20 minutes. never had all of the badges before lmao
rich grove
AND YOU WON?
finite patrol
i think only their dynamo and calico were good
and my paradox, bebop, and holliday were all incredible
end of game i just last standed and vamp bursted their patron while tanking haze ult (thanks plated armour!)
rich grove
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE DO A LITTLE TROLLING
agile void
finite patrol
I love geist. bomb so explode
rich grove
DEFEAT ME IF YOU CAN
THROWING FLASK
ALCHEMICAL FLASK
STOP FIGHTING
VICTORY!
THROWING FLASK
spellslinger with a 4s cooldown on your 1 is pretty fucking good
it turns out
agile void
there is an exploit to get you out of the skybox, pretty annoying
you can still shoot them but since they can just duck into the top of a building you cant go to
finite patrol
I love geist. bomb so explode
Holliday player I'm laning against goes "I hate geist" when I kill them, comes back to lane and runs into me at 30% health then I swap and kill them again. I say "I see why" and then they block me lmao
rich grove
lowkey
enormous skill issue for holliday to be losing against geist
holliday does such absurd damage in lane that she's one of the only characters who can kill geist in a way that doesn't give her time to react with swap
barrel punch mystic shot crack shot headshot is ggs
and then she has no movement ability to juke lasso
finite patrol
yeah they were about as good at head shots as I am
finite patrol
(not good enough to win a lane as holliday)
agile void
I mean after the deathy leak we always were able to see ingame the skills
this if anything is new png for infernus + frank model
finite patrol
cba to pay attention to all that tbh
magic summit
holliday does such absurd damage in lane that she's one of the only characters w...
As a Pocket/Calico player I love seeing Geists hide around a corner at low health
Makes it easy to instagib them
That new Infernus portrait is slick too
rich grove
HERE COMES THE BARREL
finite patrol
good Holliday players are cracked
literally impossible to catch. tons of cc and damage
finite patrol
radiant regeneration is such a fucked up item
magic summit
I need Deadlock to like. Have a real lobby UI
Cause then we could have lobby chat and post game chat
So then I could stop having people get one last quip in as the match is ending and I have no way to respond
finite patrol
just send them a friend request
thorn lion
the league of legends way
rich grove
@finite patrol it's time to change the world
finite patrol
let's goooooo
finite patrol
<@234865724844146689> it's time to change the world
420, it's time for flasking
finite patrol
I love how this kid pronounces minging differently every time
rich grove
every single possible permutation
finite patrol
<@234865724844146689> it's time to change the world
they were not prepared
rich grove
world status: changed
magic summit
they were not prepared
Walker down at 6 minutes and the only item being Headhunter. Impressive performance
rich grove
hey now don't you besmirch the good name of... Fattest Latina Ass on haze
finite patrol
I didn't have time to go back and buy lol had to keep pushing
oops I forgot to censor those screenshot names
finite patrol
haze on the enemy team told me to chill after i bullied her and so i did
why does frost grenade deal more damage than geist's essence bomb
rich grove
THROWING ICE BOMB
finite patrol
evil kevin says: "Ice blast!"
rich grove
finite patrol
i hope we get more grenade heroes
right now only 8/26 heroes have some form of bomb or grenade
agile void
tf is this build
rich grove
is. is that sharpshooter?
agile void
hunter aura
that at least makes sense
but why the fuck fill yourself with pure 1s
and not even build up to those
rich grove
rich grove
how is calico this broke lol
agile void
she is not even broke
rich grove
by calico standards she's bankrupt
agile void
my question is why having all these t1
rich grove
still thinks it's pre-shop rework
agile void
when at least 4 or 5 of them can be turned t3 or t2
magic summit
The only weirder part is why have coldfront if you are doubling down on gun damage, get point blank for a slow. More expensive but a lot more damage and on demand slow
rich grove
I was gonna say hunter's aura is a melee item but kinetic dash is so bizarre
magic summit
Probably to actually have a clip size to shoot people. I am seeing the extra spirit which is sus but if that was building into surge of power that makes sense
Though I am a fan of fleetfoot/enduring speed on calico for movement
buoyant plank
Haven't touched deadlock since oct last year, what's the major things that's changed? I know there's a recent shop rework and there was a map rework earlier this year
I mainly played lash, bebop and mcginnis
I'm sure bebop has been nerfed and buffed a million times since then since he's as stable as a random number generator patch wise
agile void
Haven't touched deadlock since oct last year, what's the major things that's cha...
no soul rebirth, no longer solo lanes, everyone duos in 3 lanes, 16 item slots went down into 12, but these slots are universal compared to before the "old" system had 4 dedicated to each category, and now way more items build up to other items
buoyant plank
I know mcginnis got a major look revamp but did she change much mechanics wise?
agile void
i dont fucking know she went through the gutter and back because Perfect aim in turrets was shit
the one thing i know is that now your ult is shit to compensate the fact that you have full mobility while casting it
buoyant plank
People found ways to get full mobility during it even back when I played
and it was terrifying
agile void
they lowered the damage of it
buoyant plank
understandably
agile void
I dont think even putting surge of power in it makes it scary
buoyant plank
So it's a zoning tool rather than straight up murder now
agile void
also talks about the secret alpha patch and people being pissed at how Valve apparently "left us" with the scraps
due to leaks and stuff like that deathy shot a while ago
buoyant plank
what's the 3 new characters deal? I know calico isn't a turret character like she was in hero lab
agile void
small update coming
.
agile void
what's the 3 new characters deal? I know calico isn't a turret character like sh...
being a pussy, has a e shift as an ult and she has a catform where she can basically escape from anything
Imagine the suitcase of Pocket, but pocket can move while inside it rather than having to juke you with coat
buoyant plank
(Who am I kidding I'll probably go lash as much as I can anyway)
agile void
Hollyday is pure damage with barrels that knock you up, bounce pads which she can use to get a stomp, base headshot booster, but she is also like one of the best pick heroes
as ult she can lasso and drag you with her and you cant do much to stop it beyond debuff remover
sinclair steals ults and has a skill called rabbit hex that can turn you into a bunny in which you cant do shit, because of this sinclairs have been doing Melee builds
he also has a turret called "assistant" in which he can teleport to so he can juke you pretty well if he is running, and a bolt that he can redirect midfly
buoyant plank
Any suggested builds for bebop, mo n kril, viscous, and abrams btw? Mine are all ancient lol
I see rey's still killing it with mcginnis lmao
finite patrol
stole rejuv with frozen shelter 😌
rich grove
😌
rich grove
abums
buoyant plank
This random video I got in my recommended singlehandedly made me consider sinclair
agile void
sinclair steals ults and has a skill called rabbit hex that can turn you into a ...
@buoyant plank pretty much what I said here, sinclairs max rabbit hex, cooldown, duration then go all in melee damage
rich grove
bunnypunching is such a dumb build
agile void
you are essentially creating the reason PETA exists
agile void
me trying to create a build after playing enough
updating said build because for some UNGODLY REASON that shit is a top daily in the south american servers
251172
if you want to see how it is.
also because Deathy is doing his Top daily series and I fear he might do mine or not
magic summit
- Calico: Ava no longer automatically breaks boxes, instead you can use the melee hotkey to do a pounce attack to break them3.
lol
finite patrol
Cute!
agile void
Cute!
@magic summit You also only have 29 AP by normal, one of your skills will stay at t2 unless you do 3 urns
finite patrol
that's fucked up
agile void
buoyant plank
that's good boy bebop erasure
finite patrol
he's got hooks to throw
finite patrol
ice frog reaction to getting saved:
what do you mean I'm going to have to get good at using my ult
ridiculous
near current
how the fuck do u play vyper
agile void
how the fuck do u play vyper
slither around
Basically slopes are your best friends, you have the bigger difference that you dont care if a slope is down or up, you maintain speed
So you will see vypers basically roll around the stairs of the middle lane
finite patrol
Remember your ABCs
A Always
B Be
C Slithering
finite patrol
no
finite patrol
innate? not sure
agile void
but yeah, anything that helps you to slide is nice
she also gets move speed on spirit
near current
i just find it really awkward to do the circling around thing with her
she wasnt as pick up and go as i expected
finite patrol
nah it's hard to get used to training your shots while you are jiggling every which way
agile void
go with ivy in a gun build
she is also slidehappy
doesnt have the capability of infinite sliding but you still want to slide with her and you can permaslide with her if you build her correctly
finite patrol
just win early. Ivy gun does not scale well late
agile void
she isnt wraith, but the only shit thing about her gun is ammo and damage
two things which are veryo easy to fix
agile void
just win early. Ivy gun does not scale well late
if you want ideas, deathy yesterday had streams where she was going gun ivy
almost full rainbow first match
finite patrol
idk about super high rank games I just usually see gun ivy turn off after 20 minutes
30*
it's nasty for the first half hour though
agile void
deathy goes ricochet + inhib/silencer/toxic bullets
finite patrol
silencer in 2025?
agile void
why not?
its no longer an active so no need to remember to pop it at the start of a teamfight, spirit res AND fucks over spirit damage, this alongside inhib just shuts down hard any spirit carry making them do 60% less damage
finite patrol
sorry I was shitposting
warm sonnet
Shitposting in 2025?
primal wolf
I think this is actually the worst patch in the history of this game
The economy was fine before, shifting it to a kill meta should have never even been a thought
primal wolf
I put some feedback on the forums, but what could be better for the longevity of the game's health is having soul values change during the match to incentivize different behaviors. from start to 10 minutes have lane creeps give more souls. 10 - 20 have farm be incentivized. 15 - 30 have fights be incentivized, and cut off the soul bonus AT 30 minutes
You get a boost to get your items, in lane, mid game, and mid/late. Past that, there's no soul value gain. and everything goes to their usual values that scale with time
Boxes also should probably cap out at like 175 - 200 at or around 30 minutes. They shouldn't be the only thing you grab, but they also shouldn't be skipped
spiral slate
shit he plays shiv better with his foot than i do with my hand
rich grove
https://www.reddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1lryg43/new_pocket_leak/
now what they need to do is make the scarf brighter with barrage stacks
magic summit
If they gave them a visual effect for that it'd be neat
Even if it's just their spooky hand glowing a bit
magic summit
Btw the new effect of all the melee items going on double cooldown after a light melee really hurts Calico
Since her leap counts as a light melee
rich grove
rip Abams immortality off of lifestrike
finite patrol
were melee builds even that good
rich grove
yes
finite patrol
They seemed pretty alright but not like warping
I don't think im very high level though so maybe they were a problem higher up
rich grove
light melee being totally unreactable means people had to gamble parry to stop lifestrike healing 200 a pop on a short cd
you could pretty effectively rush it in lane also ala the pre-rework headhunter rush strat, on most of the same characters even
finite patrol
did headhunter get reworked? I thought it's numbers just slowly got tuned down over time
I remember it used to give fire rate and bullet velocity and some kind of barrier too but just gives health now
finite patrol
light melee being totally unreactable means people had to gamble parry to stop l...
I wonder if maybe these effects should only work on heavy melee at all?
rich grove
I suspect that would kill them given how difficult it is to heavy melee someone who can see you coming
also headhunter used to scale with spirit and now scales with boons after its flat heal got tuned down significantly
before it got nerfed you used to be able to reliably shoot people at center mass, have one random pellet deal 80 flat damage because it fluke headshot and heal 100
on like a 6s cooldown
agile void
I wonder if maybe these effects should only work on heavy melee at all?
Everyone that could use melee would either need to bait parries, or have stuns or some sort of way to avoid people from parrying
finite patrol
yeah fair enough
finite patrol
before it got nerfed you used to be able to reliably shoot people at center mass...
oh yeah I remember now
rich grove
yeah haha shit was quite silly
finite patrol
and then they decided that maybe shotguns shouldnt get a free ride on hit proc items
rich grove
tax incentivised ass interaction
magic summit
were melee builds even that good
The main build for a while on Yamato before they nerfed the melee items like 4 times in a row was just go max punch since parry doesn't stun you during your ult and she has extra melee damage
Then Calico before all the nerfs and her massive health nerf could just be immortal through cooldown and her slashes
spiral slate
anyone here play shiv? i can't seem to hit knives on mo and krill when they're burrowing, dunno where to aim, can hit bullets just fine but my build's more knife than gun oriented atm
agile void
I think you have to hit at the ground because his hitbox is right there
agile void
anyone here play shiv? i can't seem to hit knives on mo and krill when they're b...
one thing you can do to practice is go into practice, make a mo npc, make it mimic you, put as many ability duration and speed movement on it as you can, and try to hit that
magic summit
MK's hitbox turns into a sphere during burrow with half the sphere being above ground, it's just very small
If it helps the sphere will be dead center where the vfx is
near current
gamers
agile void
the oppressed
agile void
jesus
finite patrol
throwing ice bomb all the way to 72k healing with 33 assists
few clutch rescue beams in there too. the item is still great
finite patrol
dynamo max farm mirage max turret damage lmao
agile void
and yet he somehow still has a ton of assists and deaths, so I guess he was doing his job despite gobbling up the farm
oh yeah
funke video
buoyant plank
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIbqSkqtFic
biannual funke upload
finite patrol
wood 4?
shiv continues to be insane. I think he needs a redesign to make him not top tier if they want to do that
spiral slate
im really mad (as a shiv main) that he's op now becausei was JUST begnning to convince myself i could get good at him and now it feels like the char's doing it for me no matter how shit i play
finite patrol
shiv is kinda hard to play very well so if you're doing good it is good
like his overall win rate is around 50% or less usually
rich grove
saying he is "op now" is also somewhat generous
finite patrol
he's just too good right now if you're hitting knives and showing up at the right time
he's always been problematic
bloodletting is one of the abilities of all time
rich grove
if anything we finally have an (in and of itself kind of broken) counter to one of his most obnoxious abilities in the form of counterspell
to my knowledge he's very, very good ahead and kind of an anchor/exec bot when behind
finite patrol
now everyone can have the joy of dodging shiv ult that was reserved for what, ivy, viscous, mirage, and pocket
rich grove
but yeah he has basically always been good to the point of complaints since release
I'LL TAKE YOUR WIFE
finite patrol
shiv is very bimodal yeah but if you're good you can catch up. you gotta be able to be able to adapt your build on the fly to do that