Plus you can always just teleport away
#Deadlock
jaunty garden
finite patrol
I mean anyone can solo walkers after 14min this patch because of the ridiculous player damage scaling they have rn but she can still do it faster than anyone else
but yeah her whole kit is very solid and gives her a good mix of push team fight spirit and bullet damage and escape / chase
lmao even when I'm playing wraith I still call haze wraith
rich grove
haze also looks like she could pass as a wraith
twilit roost
Troopers no longer change soul sharing rules after laning phase ends (meaning 2 heroes don't split souls)
what!
magic summit
That and a pretty big kill bounty increase
twilit roost
50% bebop buff let's gooo
- Bebop: Sticky Bomb damage gained per hero impact increased from 1% to 1.5%
Bebop: Sticky Bomb T3 changed from Disarm to -30% Damage Penalty for 5s (similar to Inhibitor's debuff)
It's joever
near current
soul rebirth deleted is crazy
twilit roost
devs deleted warden
near current
also yamato unplayable?
near current
the ulti change is crazy
near current
they said acab
Due to recent political events, we have chosen to disable Warden.
rich grove
yama ult change is probably more fun overall idk about power
2 extra seconds with the global cd reduction on her spells seems pretty significant
jaunty garden
Link?
rich grove
the cd reduction
cd reduction in ult has been a thing long as i can remember
everything else but also also gets refreshed after cast
rich grove
actually maybe it's not cdr and it's just the refresh I'm thinking of idk
jaunty garden
Wow they nerfed Vindicta more than Wraith
Not a fan of that lmao
Jungle camps worth less, but more of them
Probably means a team can support more hard farmers
rich grove
vindicta quickscope nerf
it's joever
lmao you can shoot melee parry in bullet dance now
thaaaaat's gettin patched
finite patrol
devs deleted warden
what the fuck
jaunty garden
IDK he's in my games
near current
think he was just bugged
near current
no its just really strong
finite patrol
double barrier is just yuge power spike and veilwalker keeps that going
finite patrol
techies fan?
finite patrol
no worries just doing a quick sicko test
jaunty garden
I mean I played Void in WC3 DotA so
Still a sicko
Just a different type of one
Broodmother and Void are still messed up
XD
finite patrol
I never played wc3 dota really I tried it once and had no idea what was happening and went back to td and campaign
finite patrol
trapper seems like a character you can kill and take tower then leave them alone in a solo lane to go gank and you come back and your guardian and walker are dead and you can't push lane back without losing 50% of your hp
rich grove
byakuya...
jaunty garden
trapper seems like a character you can kill and take tower then leave them alone...
Yes. Also a nightmare to push Urn into
Or mid boss
I just love the ult tho'
"BEHOLD A PILE OF SPIDERS"
rich grove
just casually rotating through the map to get to the next wave and this motherfucker is doing this
jaunty garden
LMAO
YES
I like that the model is literally just Pocket but with a terrarium full of spiders instead of a suitcase
And...
Well, different hair for sure.
Not sure about better.
rich grove
they somehow made the haircut worse
kind of impressive
makes me feel better about my own hairline
jaunty garden
What is even happening here
rich grove
thanks valve
I legit think they just shrunk the fringe on pocket's hair down to look more like a spider on their head
jaunty garden
...
That's probably true, yeah.
XD
Oh yeah
It is
Just shrunk and rotated
So most of it is inside his head
magic summit
I played against Trapper just now, first match of Hero Labs
He seems very weak for like, the first few levels
But then
Just
I need a squad of people to remove him
magic summit
I just accepted that he's mostly scary in the side lanes and just protected our mid walkers
magic summit
Honestly I think the more egregious thing is the web duration, three minutes of it is a lot
jaunty garden
Can enemies see the webs?
magic summit
Yes
jaunty garden
Eh, not so bad then
shy quiver
WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM
WHO MADE THEIR CUT WORSE
merry verge
That's the totally different person, Trapper
jaunty garden
Also oh god yep that's a giant pile of spiders CW: Spiders
Better shot of the details but yeahhh, a pretty good model.
If what bothewrs you is scuttling? This will absolutely bother you.
Wow their gun is TRULY bad tho'
And what a spread
You have to be REALLY right on top of someone to do any damage at all lmao
Not because of falloff but just because hitting someone with all the projectiles is IMPOSSIBLE
near current
is it supposed to be like spider eyes or am i reading too far into it
jaunty garden
I think it's two bullets in the center
near current
anyways yamato feels pretty good still just different
jaunty garden
But not 100% on that
rich grove
time to get more annoyed about shotgun characters in lane
the amount of times you're gonna get gapped on confirms despite this guy aiming five feet away from the soul
near current
i do think its interesting how their 3 gives u a bigger fov
finite patrol
lmao in my last match the trapper set up a million strands in the basement creep camp near the inner lane and the m&k baited an infernus to use his dash and run down there
instant death
finite patrol
uhhhh spider arent bugs smh
rich grove
im good man i played enough neon white
jaunty garden
It extends the "length"
Past the length of the actual web
So you can attach a web to a wall
And it'll hit the OTHER SIDE OF THE WALL
If someone walks past it
finite patrol
giant knife
jaunty garden
If you put it on the left side of the yellow car
It'll hit the guy running back and forth
If you can get the angle right
To be clear it looks like this
But will hit on the other side of that truck
Because the aoe is "extended" XD
Nvm I can do this distance
I actually think that the webs might just be infinite distance atm?
rich grove
ope
jaunty garden
If I put it on the top of this thing
It hits all the way over there
Lmao
And it arms basically instantly
rich grove
"man that was such an awful match. we just got totally carried by the rest of our team and I couldn't fight them one on one at all. wonder why that was"
jaunty garden
Turning around and just dropping them at horizontal angles towards the enemy
Is really funny
rich grove
look inside
three ascendants
rich grove
in somewhat unrelated news
guess who did not know
their monitor could go up to 144hz
jaunty garden
Oh yeah I got that message too
rich grove
and literally only found out because deadlock told me that it could
jaunty garden
So the poison pool lasts FOREVER but is tiny
And even with a full build has a 13s cooldown
I think Echo Shard is gonna be kinda mandatory on them
rich grove
improved charge is gonna go heinous
jaunty garden
Rapid Recharge?
rich grove
yesh
rich grove
being able to backpack 4 is pretty good
jaunty garden
But you can see them
Yeah, they absolutely will just keep setting them up
And it will be annoying
rich grove
ginna be mad funny to see this on a paradox/bebop/lash team comp
jaunty garden
They don't hit minions which I think is a mistake
rich grove
yoinc
jaunty garden
Since that would be good counterplay to them in lanes
rich grove
I think making it hit minions would make it basically useless on anything except random objectives
but idk
jaunty garden
Nah, minions are short fuckers
rich grove
that is true
jaunty garden
rich grove
"just place it higher"
jaunty garden
You can absolutely just put them at above head height for minions
But it'd mean you can't just block the middle of lanes
rich grove
make it so that every character can slide under
jaunty garden
Also imagine if that meant the counterplay was to just crouch walk or slide under yeah
That shit would be so funny
rich grove
if you place it at a height that doesn't pop minions
jaunty garden
Yeah
jaunty garden
RIGHT
rich grove
"just move around the wires bro"
https://youtu.be/mr834Cs9ncs?si=UOkXnOqaaSt_ZcY-
jaunty garden
Haze is gonna HATE Trapper tho'
"I wanna flank! Aw fuck there's fucking webs EVERYWHERE"
rich grove
finally some Mirage counterplay
rich grove
landmines
jaunty garden
You can legit just like wall off the enemy's behind
So
It takes maybe .2 seconds for a web to arm
If ssomeone on your team has CC
You can just put it pointing at the sky
From the ground
Where they're stunned
And it'll hit them
What's it attached to?
The skybox, duh
Similarly
rich grove
if it doesn't have arm time it probably should
rich grove
I respect wattson players too much to not let them have a sickos character in this game too
rich grove
world's first laser dick and balls any%
jaunty garden
I can't find any map options with depressed circles
Ok in good news, the poison pool doesn't stack
You can't use echo shard to drop 2 on someone and double tick them to death
On the other hand
People have to be really close for it to hit both of them
rich grove
that uh
jaunty garden
If I put it JUST SLIGHTLY CLOSER it'll get triggered
rich grove
lmao
jaunty garden
And they both get hit
That said?
Do not stand still between him and a wall
This is VERY easy to hit
Oh no wait
rich grove
are you stuck in a cast anim or not
jaunty garden
Ok if I try to put it through someone
It cancels
IF it's horizontal
If it's vertical? No problem
If it's horizontal and hits them THROUGH an object? No problem.
jaunty garden
So they've got coding in to stop it from activating if someone is already in it, they just never considered people would put it on the floor or that it would actually be an infinite line that moves through objects
I mean it JUST got put into hero labs
THe fact it has bugs is uh
Not surprising
rich grove
THe fact it has bugs is uh
spider themed character
has bugs
rich grove
like does it interrupt shooting
jaunty garden
Oh, yes
But they shoot slow enough anyway you can kinda just
Shoot hit 2 place it shoot
rich grove
this really is wattson 2
magic summit
I respect wattson players too much to not let them have a sickos character in th...
I got so fast at making the X formation
rich grove
yeah see you playing pocket suddenly makes way too much sense
magic summit
I was actually a Mirage main
jaunty garden
Ok so
That's how much Trapper's 1 does
To a medium minion
At level 1 with no items
rich grove
this game having a Mirage and a Wraith is really not making this any less confusing
magic summit
My favorite move was to run behind cover then me and the decoy would both jump slide out from different directions
rich grove
the strongest trapper player of today vs the strongest cold front user of history
jaunty garden
Fully upgraded 1 at level 1 with 4 500 gold spirit items
20 second cooldown but
They're gonna be great and running and doing a camp every 20 seconds lmao
rich grove
real
jaunty garden
Well yeah, ofc
rich grove
paradox getting nerfed, vindicta getting nerfed, haze found dead in the streets......... gonna have to learn lash or something
jaunty garden
But I'm doing a buncha testing because I'm interested in like, what the baseline is
The 3 is a REALLY strong trading tool vs anyone doing lots of spirit damage
260 spirit shield and 250 spirit damage
AoE realy tiny tho'
You gotta be in melee
rich grove
if you could give someone torment pulse I would shit
rich grove
slap down one of these on yamato
jaunty garden
It slows people too
Pretty good range on putting it on an ally too
Anyway eepy time
Toodles
rich grove
Push Objectives
mild flume
I enjoy when knockdown makes the anvil noise
frail jasper
Clang
shy quiver
That's the totally different person, Trapper
ohhh I see. They share the same model but not the same cut...
good lord there's spiders
jaunty garden
Ohhhh shit
Toxic bullets isn't nerfed
It's 2.5% MAX hp now instead of 5% current
So it can kill now
Obz that balances out at 50% hp
buoyant plank
I enjoy when knockdown makes the anvil noise
The knockdown and deny sounds are just so good
finite patrol
lavish grove
Magnetic Abrams
jaunty garden
That's hilarious
Wonder if it's already fixed
They already fixed the Haze getting to do weird shit in ult like melee and parry
buoyant plank
Abrams putting the enemy team in gay baby jail
Also that's the saltiest dynamo I've ever seen
dynamo players are usually chill I feel
agile void
@buoyant plank i find them once or twice
it is one of the heroes I dont expect shit from
twilit roost
hey is anyone playing deadlock rn and just stuck in matchmaking?
twilit roost
with the servers down icon? I already restarted but good to know. guess i'll just hold off a bit until the servers stabilize
rich grove
@magic summit haze confirmed dead in los angeles so i guess it's time to pick up pocket for backline shenanigans now
rich grove
least addied up eido clip
is there anything more satisfying than tping in and hitting the fat 4 man affliction
magic summit
When they just let you walk up and do it because they didn't know you were standing 2 inches behind a corner
finite patrol
wait they nerfed haze?
< hasn't had time to read the patch notes
unfathomable to me if true
rich grove
haze ult can't hit multiple targets anymore full stop and her strongest t4 power spike (lucky shot) is dead
rich grove
@magic summit is the superior cooldown pick just ult or is barrage not a troll pick
magic summit
<@142842792564097025> is the superior cooldown pick just ult or is barrage not a...
Barrage isn't troll but you should honestly put it on satchel or cloak
Idk what people like Eido or Weibo take but that's what I do
Barrage just got buffed though so it's perfectly valid to do so
It's definitely nice if you've got your kevlar which is usually my first T4 item but I like the survivability of having cloak and satchel up a lot
People tend to put it on cloak as well cause if you put superior on it then it matches up with the cooldown on satchel
rich grove
rich grove
yeah I hit some pretty ok ults
edgy fog
.... so she's spinning and dancing around and she can't hit more than one person at a time?
So what it's gone from Reaper ult to Soldier 76 ult, where it's just "never miss shots".... but in an area around you?
jaunty garden
Yeah
minor ingot
the idea of being able to use whatever the blink dagger equivalent is called mid-ult is kinda cool at least
magic summit
warp stone
minor ingot
ty
jaunty garden
Yeah
I mean I think only her ult focused builds are dead tbh
Linkzr been making her work well with a Tesla rush and just focusing on m1 people to death
frail jasper
Enough deadlock with randoms for today. I attribute that one to McGinnis and Grey Talon getting tilted and blaming the rest of their team with insults instead of rallying to actually solve the problem of losing.
You'd think "hey I want to kill midboss so we can guaranteed win this push" isn't so unreasonable a diversion when the plan they're shouting is just "EVERYONE PUSH GREEN NOW GO GO" and they run into the enemy base by themselves.
(it was not at all urgent that we push green)
jaunty garden
Good!
They're pretty cool but I find they have issues killing like, multiple people in a row?
Unless you do some serious kiting people out\
Why I like playing Seven/Infernus so much atm
It feels like if I get the right engage I can just fight my way through a whole team
rich grove
the only time I could see that happening is after hitting a god affliction
helps that none of the other team took debuff reducer 
the FOOLS
jaunty garden
Yah people who wanted to play Haze: the Ult Character instead of Haze: THe Beams People With M1 character I've been telling to just play Pocket
Seven can't really do it anymore
rich grove
Haze is actually dead in los angeles
jaunty garden
Haze is still pretty good tbh
Her ult not killing entire teamfights does not make the character dead
rich grove
her ceiling which was already worse than every other carry being even worse does
jaunty garden
Shrug I see Linkzr carry in Eternal with her
rich grove
that and metal skin
jaunty garden
If Linkzr can carry in Eternal on her, she's fine
rich grove
there seem to be way more Return Fire enjoyers in my games nowadays
not even for Haze specifically, just like random Shiv and MK players picking it up
but you also incidentally get cooked
jaunty garden
MK I see grabbing it a bunch
MK is so strong right now
I had one manage to solo me when they were 10k down against my 7 and I was like
Wtf
I have Escalating and Toxic Bullets and shit
How the fuck did that happens
rich grove
really you'd think that with anti heal being buffed to fuck he would get worse
nuh uh
toxic bullets also more or less got buffed with the flat hp damage
turns out he still dgaf
jaunty garden
Toxic changes were a reasonable nerf for Spirit Invicta
I used to go Tesla/Toxic/Ricochet as my 3 big weapon items and otherwise focus on Spirit damage and like
That doesn't work quite as well for just putting people into execute range from ult
Esp. because of the vindicta nerfs to quickscope ults
If they're gonna make quickscope do less damage they need to get rid of the giant fucking laser sight that tells people where she's looking
rich grove
Vin quickscope was probably not good for the game but also man it was so much fun lmao
jaunty garden
I agree, but the combination of the giant laser sight and quickscope being gone
Means that it's so fucking hard to actually hit people
Because it's not like you can scope in and wait for them to pop out of cover or something
rich grove
I get why they did it but it does seem significantly worse in basically any situation except "your team is kicking the shit out of someone and you killsteal"
jaunty garden
They can fucking see you looking
Like it's also 3rd person
If someone couldn't tell if you were looking at their cover in scope
rich grove
yeah lol
jaunty garden
Because they had to poke their head out to see
THat'd be fine
But no they can just sit behind the cover and see your giant laser sight
XD
It's not like grey talon snipe shows a giant laser sight
Grumble grumble grumble
rich grove
the torchlight is fine but the giant laser makes me the big sad
at least in the current version
oh well
jaunty garden
Torchlight?
rich grove
there's a very bright scope glint vindicta puts up in addition to the laser beam
rich grove
like she's pointing a flashlight at you
rich grove
yeah lol
mild flume
I mean the owl makes a big noise
rich grove
charge shot
mild flume
yeah that one doesn't I think it has a glint or something too
but its a mile wide so whatever its still hitting you
finite patrol
the last time i played against a pocket they got super fed and went shadow weave vampiric burst and just killed us in one second with their shotgun
rich grove
?!?!?!!??!!?!?!!!?!!?
jaunty garden
Yeah the best solo carries I've seen have been weapon pockets but
It's a lot less useful for team fights
finite patrol
starting off 6v4 cus pocket just killed 2 of your teammates in one clip is p dece
you have to be really fed to pick up two 6200s by 20 minutes in though
jaunty garden
I feel like I'm often that fed as Infernus
But that's just because I rush a Ricochet in my first 10k lmao
I get like 3k in 500s, two 1250s, and then ricochet lmao
rich grove
Infernus also should probably be going around farming
jaunty garden
Yah
rich grove
at least higher priority than Pocket just putting people into lockers for split pushing
jaunty garden
Yarr
wintry arrow
I get like 3k in 500s, two 1250s, and then ricochet lmao
I have a really hard time not buying Toxic first, but vibe with this
magic summit
Gun pocket is funny, yeah. I tend not to like it for the aforementioned reasons though and my aim is bad. Also the gun talent they have is from maxing cloak and you have two other spells that need a lot of priority to get to level 3
You can get a lot of quick gun damage then transitioning to spirit with like
Close Quarters > Combat Barrier > Kinetic Dash > Mystic Shot > Warp Stone
combat and enchanters with veilwalker is a way to just win any 1v1 and be unremovable from a side lane
Which you can buy all that then its still a good purchase to get your first T4 as Diviners Kevlar cause imagine you just got Pocket low and they both walk through a veil and pop their ult to gain an effective extra 3k health pool
finite patrol
i love that mirage's bullet size got lowered again lmao
spiral slate
not enough, i need him shooting blanks
finite patrol
it's already one of the harder guns to use in the game
magic summit
Whoever made the Deadcock logo is a genius for how seamlessly it blends in
jaunty garden
Lmao
rich grove
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
finite patrol
trapped in the gamer chair 💀
mirage using his magical power to just extend games forever as is his right
rich grove
i had phantom strike knockdown curse all lined up just for their lash
finite patrol
that is a lot of fucking hate lmao
rich grove
at some point as pocket you just pivot from being a character with abilities to one with active items
and also an ult
finite patrol
case and cloak stop doing any damage and become movement abilities like dash
I assume the other activatable you picked up was debuff remover?
(I can't believe they buffed debuff remover)
magic summit
You need escalating exposure to focus on damage with Pocket
For late in the game
Also a realization that your best use is being a nuisance rather than the person doing all the killing
Pay attention to the funny queer in the satchel over here
If you don't pay attention you take 2000 spirit damage instantly, if you do pay attention it's time for the clown chase of trying to kill me
jaunty garden
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
64 minutes???
And yeah the biggest thing pocket does in the mid to late game is just
Pop ult
Make the actual fight miserable for everyone else
jaunty garden
Niiiiiice
So I've been running Cold Front/Torment on Shiv
It's very nasty
You get suddenly very good AoE
And the Rage damage bonus applies to the damage
But dash into people and pop the slow
And it's just so funny
You stack a TON of rage instantly
jaunty garden
Yeah if you don't just naturally fill your spirit slots
I've swapped to it over Decay
After the Decay nerfs
finite patrol
cold front is busted if u got slots ye
rich grove
metal skin is a hate crime
finite patrol
just throw cards
rich grove
I love being able to play the game as haze until every person I shoot just presses one button on their keyboard and I die
why do I keep doing this
finite patrol
haze voice lines go hard af
rich grove
that's true
finite patrol
how do you feel about the bullet dance change?
rich grove
I genuinely think they should just remove the ult and replace it with something else
literally what is the point of making it a giant aoe if it's actively disadvantageous for you for more than one enemy at a time to get caught in it
it doesn't fit with the entire rest of her identity as "I'm Johnny Single-Target Damage", it's been altered so many times for no net gain, it's another "here's a damaging circle" ult, just get rid of it
magic summit
haze voice lines go hard af
I love that Haze has stealth but outs herself by whispering at max volume
finite patrol
it's current implementation definitely does not match its vfx yeah
rich grove
I thought hoover was the first gay person in the-
I like the suggestion of soldier 76-style temp aimlock as her ult, it makes a lot more sense and the duration scaling with spirit would actually help it instead of just being vaguely useless
really the actual answer is "give her any spirit that isn't on a 12-second cooldown on a character that cannot invest into spirit without inting" or "nerf metal skin" but we can get to those later
finite patrol
fixation having an active that helps you fixate could be cool
rich grove
I don't mind fixation and afterburn being wholly passive, having one less ability is fine for the newb picks
most of the active uses for fixation I could think of are also just like... mirage
finite patrol
activate fixation to apply 1% slow per fixation stack 😈
rich grove
the current meta build is slowing bullets + slowing hex + fixation slow already, that might actually put her on a watchlist
rich grove
1v11
I have to igl us through multiple teamfights, save our warden from mental boom, stop our wraith from committing suicide while also playing Overwatch Simulator 2024 with anvil and curse so I can single handedly get three picks each fight
and even then we still only win because they try the most dogshit mid bait valve has ever witnessed and then three of their team individually try to hero ult and save a losing teamfight in base
spiral slate
anyone else feel like the game's gotten real snowbally since the patch that buffed souls on hero kill?
maybe matchmaking has been personally screwing me over or ive just been having multiple bad days but ebery match ive played in the past week feels like an unwinnable slog
jaunty garden
Absolutely
But unwinnable slog is hard to say
Kills are more punishing, and double soaking is really important ATM
People are used to playing really fast and aggressive
And need to learn to be a bit more safety inclined
spiral slate
the unwinnable slog may be a me thing
but man moba stomps are painful because of how long they can take
had a game where we perfectly backlined the enemy team, got their patron to a sliver of health only for it to just stop taking damage when i shot it for some reason, and then the ememy team just ran us over because they had 50 billion more souls
magic summit
tbh the only difference I noticed is the games end faster
jaunty garden
Yeah
That's the goal of faster snowballs
It's also worth noting at least for me, first team fought after thirty minutes that ends decisively usually just ends the game
finite patrol
paradox is so cool
rich grove
using time manipulation to steal celebrity paternity tests keeping her big as hell
they have to sell a lava lamp modelled after her helmet right
rich grove
SIMPLE GEOMETRY
mild flume
get got
magic summit
- Soul Sharing ratios post-lane reduced from 100/75/50/35/28/22% to 100/70/45/33/25/20% (for 1/2/3/4/5/6 players)
- First Urn is now always neutral regardless of NW lead
- Guardian resistance changed from -35% at 8 minutes to -50% at 10 minutes
- Heavy Melee canceling can no longer be done with some abilities (only items atm)
- Team vs Team NW comeback formula toned down
- Haze: Bullet Dance bonus bullet damage increased from +2 to +5
- Paradox: Time Wall Time Stop duration reduced from 0.7s to 0.6s
- Paradox: Time Wall duration reduced from 7s to 6s
- Vindicta: Assassinate damage reduced by 5%
- Yamato: Shadow Transformation Bullet and Spirit resist reduced from 50% to 45%
- Yamato: Shadow Transformation duration reduced from 5.5s to 5s
- Yamato: Shadow Transformation heal reduced from 25% to 20% ```paradox is like the best hero in the game sorry
rich grove
I guess like
I don't know why they decided to beat the shit out of wall and then also compensate by giving even more power to carbine, which is already insanely powerful just for existing
Vindicta nerf is lowkey pointless after the quickscope nerf anyway so idgi
Haze buff pretty good early which is the only time you use it so that's nice
buoyant plank
is cat lady out yet
jaunty garden
No
tardy sundial
symmeowtra
finite patrol
i honestly have straight up been enjoying the game less since the recent patches that have made the game faster and more teamfighty.
its significantly less chill. i just want to vibe a little i dont want to have to go into nonstop teamfights at 12min. they've really been working to make the games faster and i dont like it
agile void
I find it funny you saying you dislike it
when you have shivs ult icon as user image
which is an execution
jaunty garden
Lmao
To be fair shiv kinda wants to not fight constantly if he's spirit shiv
Since knives have such long cooldowns
finite patrol
I play gun shiv when I play shiv but I still want to chill and vibe a little ok
sometimes I turn on and kill whole enemy team but that's not all I am as a person
jaunty garden
Ok yeah IDK. There's plenty of chilling until minute 8 IMO
And I prefer once lanes break the game gets to an end somewhat appropriately
After turrets are down chilling in lanes is just a good way to get hyper murdered IMO
finite patrol
Yeah I just don't like how short games are now
I realize that's probably not a common complaint most people hate how long mobas take to run
jaunty garden
Yeahhhh
finite patrol
but it's how I feel
finite patrol
the sweet spot is 30-40 minutes imo but most of my games are now 20-30min lol
jaunty garden
I like 25-35
Which I find I get pretty regularly
Really rare for games to end before 25
About the same rate they go past 35
buoyant plank
Oh no the mashing makes it better
magic summit
I tried the setting that makes the steam recording record your microphone
And
Got that
I don't know why it sounds like my mic is swarmed by bugs
mild flume
I would open it and check for bugs
magic summit
I love that point in deadlock
Where it rapidly devolves into just slamming faces onto each other
rich grove
it started out as me and talon just kicking the shit out of this poor fuckin haze player
and then it devolved into basically one huge teamfight that we just kept winning repeatedly
as other people would just occasionally splitpush at random and take walkers because they kept shoving people into the meatgrinder at 10k souls under
agile void
I mean its either not help your team stop the deathball
or give them a flex
if the soul lead gets to 8/10k its hard to get a comeback
magic summit
if the soul lead gets to 8/10k its hard to get a comeback
If it's at such a bad deficit my go to is vanish from the map and clear every bit of souls I can find
If it's really desperate my rat pocket item is Magic Carpet
finite patrol
rich grove
a likely thing for him to be doing
cloud shuttle
eye jumpscare
twilit roost
Viscous: Puddle Punch can now be parried (does not stun Viscous, only blocks the puddle effect for the parrying player)
Why you got to do Viscous dirty like that
twilit roost
Looking like no more deathball though
finite patrol
yeah thats nice
wow walkers fucking kill you now
much easier to defend too thats nice
twilit roost
I like the change for the flex slot, 1 shrine + two base guardians is a good middle point
jaunty garden
Bridge buffs now require a heavy melee to claim is interesting.
Also big nerfed
Early
And buffed late
finite patrol
these changes seem cool im excited to try the game again just have to turn off all the ranked stuff lol
finite patrol
yeah i meant you can turn off some of the popups and displays and whatnot
(i tend to get a little stressed about this type of thing)
New T3 Weapon Item, Spellslinger Headshots: Requires Soul Shredder Bullets. Landing a headshot on enemy heroes increases your total Spirit Power by 3% for 12s. Cooldown 1.5s. Max stacks 12. Grants +12% Weapon Damage, +8% Spirit Amp/18% Spirit Lifesteal (component passive), and +150 Health.
New T3 Spirit Item, Spirit Snatch: Requires Spirit Strike. Causes your melee attacks to steal 12% Spirit Resist and 26 Spirit Power for 16s. Cooldown 6s. Buff you receive stacks if you hit different heroes. Grants +15% Melee Damage, +8% Spirit Resist, +125 Health and +1 Sprint.
New T3 Spirit Item, Arcane Surge: Requires Kinetic Dash. After successful Dash Jump, the next ability you use will also have +20% Range, +20% Duration and +20 Spirit Power. Grants +100 Health, +1 Stamina and +15% Slow Resist.
jaunty garden
Healing is less strong AND anti-heal is less strong is a nice direction
finite patrol
spell slinger headshots
jaunty garden
Looks like generally about 20% less good in either way
finite patrol
the warden/mirage/geist player here is losing his mind
jaunty garden
Oh shit I love the glass cannon changed
And the silencer change
Extra regen building into return fire is messed up
Lmao
Poor Haze
finite patrol
lmao amazing
jaunty garden
Doing bad vs a haze in lane? Build extra regen, it ALSO builds into the item that counters her later!
twilit roost
> New T3 Weapon Item, Spellslinger Headshots: Requires Soul Shredder Bullets. La...
Dash jump into melee into vial from warden is going to be so funny with the bottom 2 items
jaunty garden
Ooo Ammo Scav buff
+2 sprint speed at max stack is nice
Decay gets almost 50% more damage again, maybe worth it, still not as much as before
Silence glyph doesn't track which is nice lmao
Oh shit, new spirit strike T3 too
finite patrol
how are you supposed to hit fucking pocket with it now wtf
jaunty garden
Buy curse
finite patrol
6200!!!
jaunty garden
Yeah.
Silencing people shouldn't be easy IMO
If pocket needs nerfs due to being less counterable by items
finite patrol
silencing pocket should be easy.
jaunty garden
They can get nerfed
finite patrol
they
jaunty garden
But the counter to people shouldn't be "Buy X item or lose"
finite patrol
i mean you are right but im malding about pocket so i disagree on principle
i cant believe they keep buffing debuff remover lmao
this item was great 3 patches ago and it keeps getting buffed
jaunty garden
Grey talon had immobiilizing trap just turned into the trap item of Vindicta's tether
INstead of actually being an immobilize
finite patrol
probably plays better with his kit but making those heroes more similar is uhhh
finite patrol
finally
jaunty garden
+6 spirit damage with .1 scaling instead of +5 bullet damage
And smoke bomb... Is weird and makes her intangible at T3 if I'm reading this right?
Like her own ethereal shift if used in combat
For .5s
Oh, and it's improved by the extra charge item
Yeah ok it's a .5s eshift
That kills incoming targetted projectiles
Wild
finite patrol
we love disjoints
jaunty garden
@rich grove
finite patrol
Mirage: Traveler can now be cast by targeting the top bar portraits
fucking finally holy shit
jaunty garden
Mini turrets now just get health per level instead of scalingw ith your health?
LMAO
"
- Mo & Krill: Headshot resistance now only applies to the big head"
You can headshot krill now for full damage
Just not Mo
finite patrol
end of an era
Warden: Alchemical Flask now respects LOS
fuck
its a grenade man what the hell
jaunty garden
QUICKSCOPE VINDICTA ULT IS BACK
Wooooooooo
Yamato heal on ult moved to on kills instead of on cast is good
finite patrol
went 10-1-12 with mirage but forgor to buy soul splitter headshots 😔
finite patrol
agile void
pffff
ivory reef
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3370727934 @rich grove @mild flume
rich grove
what the fuck
pulsar bison
lmfao
jaunty garden
"Do they have bad hair?"
magic summit
Deadlock is unfortunately this for me sometimes https://bsky.app/profile/fieldexplores.bsky.social/post/3lbnnmitbxk2p
rich grove
my haze has been feeling like dogshit but holy fuck
viscous
i just chain stunned four people five times in a row to win a teamfight immediately
just gave them the fucking work
frail jasper
Viscous is extremely good and the only character I play. Balling through a team fight while humming Indiana Jones.
If you learn his movement techs you're basically playing a different game than everyone else
crude salmon
do people in higher matchmaking tiers learn how to lane or am I the only one who shoots banners?
magic summit
The healing creeps?
crude salmon
yEAH.
agile void
tbh you normally focus on the first creep you come across
if you see the banner creeper of course shoot him but they will still get a healing off to the hero 80% of the time wether you want it or not
frail jasper
You can prioritize healers if you want the lane to push out, or deny enemy healing. If you kill it last then the lane will push in, which isn't necessarily a bad thing as controlling where the waves meet lets you take the ground that's preferable to you
jaunty garden
Also they only heal enemy units every thirty seconds
Er, enemy... Heroes?
Whatever they're called
And they'll probably heal as soon as they land
agile void
exactly
they heal once they drop in
and unless the guy is really out of position
you wont be able to deny the healing
and even then you can still shoot the guy
twilit roost
Being a professor is a good job mate
warm sonnet
Indoors
rich grove
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TameE97we5YOGJW06iXCWlEaYoKV0vWlyfjwD-dPf4c/edit?usp=sharing got bored
jaunty garden
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TameE97we5YOGJW06iXCWlEaYoKV0vWlyfjwD-dPf4c/...
Provide Counsel's self-cast is far too strong an escape tool.
Also is it the closest shop usable or will it teleport you into the enemy fountain?
Can you trigger Issue Summons by running away from the enemy? Can you teleport to an ally farther away with Provide Counsel, or to a shop, to trigger it?
Also probably a bad overlap with Warden, in that if you have both cast on you you're just screwed.
I like the 1 and 4 tho'
spiral slate
huge respect for the nod to Tequila
rich grove
- closest shop usable, as funny as it would be. I was kind of leery initially on the teleport since otherwise it just wouldn't have a use on your own, but maybe that's fine with some scaling on the distance you can teleport to allies
- yes and yes for the trigger. I honestly don't know how threatening a shred and some damage is relative to just straight up rooting you; the stun is obviously pretty brutal but a ranged stun that requires two abilities, one at t3 and one person to teleport themselves out of fighting range is proooobably fine. i may be heinously wrong though
jaunty garden
The big thing is if you stun someone in melee and teleport to someone in the backline or something
rich grove
making the initial stick range smaller is probably reasonable though
jaunty garden
If you have someone diving
They pair really well with a diver buddy
So you just tag someone in the frontline and teleport to their backline
I'd rework to to function more like Warden's but opposite
Give them an AoE they can walk around in
rich grove
it's definitely pretty gnarly as a combo but we've also got Seven and Knockdown I'm trying to balance around
putting the thunderdome at a fixed point is probably a lot less janky to code though
jaunty garden
I also just feel it doesn't feel SUPER interesting?
jaunty garden
- closest shop usable, as funny as it would be. I was kind of leery initially on...
I'd let it teleport to allies OR neutrals, and through walls to allies.
Don't limit it to a hero.
As the options
rich grove
teleporting back to lane creeps isn't bad
jaunty garden
Like, neutrals or an ally hero(through walls for the hero) or (To an ally in vision)
rich grove
oddly funny as a quicksilver reload style option for making farming faster if this works in jg
jaunty garden
Although both is fine too
spiral slate
immediately thought of this the moment i saw the 3
rich grove
clonk
tame jay
ok but with who tho
tame jay
oh ye thats a weird pairing
rich grove
see, they're making insane deep cut pairs already between people who have zero relation to each other
this is a real game now
twilit roost
anyone have a good mirage build? I always feel weak trying to use the top ones
edgy fog
are you trying to do assassin styled builds or the ones where you just keep people suspected all the time and other people mow them down?
twilit roost
was basically just trying out the ones on the top of the list under public
agile void
checked the character specific channel?
PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF OF FUCKING COURSE HIS CHANNEL IS WYOMING
rich grove
going into a 1v6 as shiv and surviving with three kills under the belt feels like crack holy fuck
maybe this is my new main
@magic summit
pocket with a non dogshit haircut is too powerful
magic summit
Yes
I love them
This is how you know Pocket is nonbinary because they have a fuckass haircut
rich grove
This is how you know Pocket is nonbinary because they have a fuckass haircut
don't remind me i gotta get a trim before my vacation 💀
rich grove
https://fixvx.com/mikiiteo/status/1862556257670111247
THEIR SHIP NAME IS POCKET SAND
magic summit
I haven't cut my hair in years 🙂 It's down to my stomach
magic summit
THEIR SHIP NAME IS POCKET SAND
That's illegal
I need to play more Deadlock. Too many other games out recently
And until they make a copycat character I fear I will not truly have my main yet
rich grove
if they get the tf2 comics writers back for deadlock vns we might experience a blorbocalypse
magic summit
I really need a comic that like
Addresses how Pocket is "in hiding" but every single member of the cast calls them the Fairfax kid
rich grove
possibly the single funniest bit of the lore
everyone just looks at them and is like "yep"
not even gonna try and save their feelings about it either
just 🫵
magic summit
I think the Mirage fanart btw is from a specific interaction where like
If you ping people characters have specific voicelines for the character
And Pocket's only unique ones is that they call, specifically, Infernus and Mirage, "There's that handsome bastard."
spiral slate
going into a 1v6 as shiv and surviving with three kills under the belt feels lik...
when he says some shit like "don't for a SECOND think you're better than me" you really feel that shit, it rocks
i highly encourage anothershiv main to enter the fold
spiral slate
And Pocket's only unique ones is that they call, specifically, Infernus and Mira...
they also say that about shiv, apparently my friend has seen some great "pocketknife" fanart but keeps forgetting to send it to me
magic summit
Huh, haven't had it proc for Shiv. Guess Pocket has a type
edgy fog
I don't know who I'd pair with ivy
rich grove
employment form
edgy fog
People occasionally do Abrahms but ehhhh
rich grove
her vn being about her getting a job is the funniest fucking thing to me
edgy fog
I know it's why I love her so much
This girl has problems, real life problems. Look into my eyes Lash and tell me you've passed a job interview
jaunty garden
People occasionally do Abrahms but ehhhh
I really like Wraith
Anyone with high rate of fire works well IMO
rich grove
...I think this was ship discussion
jaunty garden
Ohhhhh.
rich grove
although I am losing it a little bit at the idea of rate of fire being romantic criteria
finally, omegaverse two
jaunty garden
I mean for Haze, probably.
Haze and Infernus in a romantic relationship because they hate the shit out of each other but respect the RoF
rich grove
where there's smoke there's fire
edgy fog
Ivy and infernus with her being the only person to keep it real and hold him accountable as a person would be fun
Bushfire
finite patrol
rof makes you more dominant in lane thus more submissive in bed
jaunty garden
I don't even think that's true
Shotguns are the most dominant in lane weapons
It's much better to get to do cover peeking
edgy fog
If pocket is a dom I will eat my hands
jaunty garden
RoF makes you less dominant in lane and therefore MORE dominant in bed.
Abrams and Shiv and Pocket are bottoms.
rich grove
shotties and velo are the two keys to cooking in lane
jaunty garden
(Insert they were both bottoms but with Shiv and Pocket)
rich grove
the interaction between shotties and a bunch of different laning items like resto and hs booster is actually kind of annoying to me
but i don't know how you'd balance it really
jaunty garden
Split it between every bullet makes it TERRIBLE with them.
rich grove
yeah
jaunty garden
What games usually do is increase the maximum potential but decrease the per bullet.
For things like shotguns
edgy fog
Yamamoto is ace but terrifying enough everyone thinks they are uberdom
finite patrol
warden is a bdsm top
jaunty garden
The game already does this with what % you can get out of uh, the poison bullets
Where faster RoF weapons charge it to max lower
So I think it'd be fine to do for something like healing shot
rich grove
randomly spiking someone with toxic bullets in like two shots for abrams is pretty funny
healbane be upon ye
also i've just seen someone rotate across four lanes with shiv's altfire in ten seconds so i guess i have a new main now
fuck
jaunty garden
God I love not caring about movement lmao
agile void
weird match I had
tame jay
her vn being about her getting a job is the funniest fucking thing to me
Oh i didn’t know her vn lines were in the game
rich grove
they're not, I think this is just more datamined stuff people have found
spiral slate
I mean for Haze, probably.
i've seen some great hazeparadox yuri art
rich grove
speaking of bizarre pairings
spiral slate
i hope they add a character that fits the "little guy in a vehicle" moba character archetype
i wanna roll around in a little tank that can jump
rich grove
https://fixvx.com/succubashe/status/1830813735675666663 paradox head as the fucking plasma ball is incredible
edgy fog
I mean Haze Paradox is literally the cop/thief pairing
the specialist agent and the uncatchable thief
It's the Bladerunner pairing
Electric Dreams
rich grove
Smoke Bomb
edgy fog
bomb makes me think of Bebop
edgy fog
Dream time?
rich grove
Naptime is pretty good
edgy fog
We could really do with a character who is a doctor of some kind
either a street doc or a doc at the fighting pits but just a doc you know?
twilit roost
Maybe even some kind of medic?
edgy fog
I will never turn down medic
but I would love just a doctor
Jakob "Sanders" who patches people back together for Wraith or anyone who can't go to the major hospitals
more business and detatched than Medic's clear glee
"I can put that back on for you. For a fee."
twilit roost
City Mortician trying to make some extra money would be a cool character concept
edgy fog
oooo good idea
Fan of the barber surgeon/vet/mortician angles
where it's just people with medical training who aren't 'respectable'
I was imagining deep eastern European accent, still curses in mother tongue (translating roughly to 'Grandmother Yaga will feast on your eyes'), has some kind of pistol clutched in a large hand.
spiral slate
jeez, haze is tough to fight against this patch
anyone got any tips for her beyond the ol return fire metal skin etc since even that doesn't seem to help much
magic summit
If you don't see her on the map try not to be alone if you are a character that doesn't have a good answer to sleep dagger into ult. Don't let the game take forever to finish because she's a character that would love to wait until she has 5 T4 items.
If she is in stealth you can actually listen for her and she reveals where she is from, not footsteps or anything like that, but her constant fucking whispering
jaunty garden
jeez, haze is tough to fight against this patch
anyone got any tips for her beyo...
Metal skin doesn't work against ult anymore but will work vs her normal stuff
spiral slate
If you don't see her on the map try not to be alone if you are a character that ...
that last one's a lot easier said than done
magic summit
The not let the game go on forever? Yeah. Can be rough if your team like, wins a fight and takes the space to farm rather than push
Happens in like every moba I play
Just yelling at them "THEY HAVE A SEVEN AND A HAZE WE DON'T WIN THIS GOING LATE"
agile void
jaunty garden
TIL Vindicta is base the fastest character in the game
At 9 movement speed
Moe is next at 8.1 IIRC
But it's actually Seven in the late game since his movement speed scales with Spirit for some fucking reason lmao
Warden and Geist are tied for slowest at 6.3
But ofc with Warden that's fake since he has his 2
rich grove
yeah warden runitdown build is uh
ludicrous
2 + fleetfoot + l + ratio + didn't ask + -1 stamina from flask + binding word
jaunty garden
Yeah
Btw I was playing Pocket and just got COMPLETELY wrecked by a Warden
Is that a bad MU
or did I just not know how to play it
finite patrol
i feel like you should win that if you play it right
rich grove
yeah suitcase parries 3 and then 1 is super telegraphed and slow
I guess if he ults you but like
at that point idk
his gun hits like a truck but it's got really noticeable projectile arcs
finite patrol
yeah if you let yourself get hit by the gun you will die
magic summit
Btw I was playing Pocket and just got COMPLETELY wrecked by a Warden
Funnily enough a lot of the characters I find that Pocket has the hardest time to kill is, related to the previous point, fast characters.
There are a lot of times I will see a warden running around and just kill his entire team around him
Cause that dude is way too tanky and fast with a free spirit shield
rich grove
thats fair
nothing is worse than ganking someone and realising they are faster than you
magic summit
An understated part of pocket is you largely see them coming. Cloak is massive, if you are using suitcase for protection you can also tell it's coming, and barrage is agonizingly slow
Some of my worst times has been the game has gone too late and I try to hit Seven with anything and he just walks backwards at 50mph
rich grove
"erm... what the silencer"
spiral slate
i do wanna get good at lash at some point because he's got really fucking funny voicelines (and mobility rules)
agile void
that moment when without realizing you teared through everything
agile void
game of one fucking hour
frail jasper
nice
jaunty garden
😛
I went and checked if we actually had patch notes because of you
I want you to know
rich grove
😎
rich grove
@finite patrol
finite patrol
😌
agile void
- Patron HP reduced from 10k to 7.5k
- Downed Patron HP reduced from 18k to 13.5k
- Patron HP grows by 250/Min starting 20 min
- Downed Patron HP grows by 450/Min starting 20 min (overall, these are -25% HP at 20 min, 0% at 30 min, and +25% at 40 min)
Hold the fuck up
you are telling me patron hp now SCALES?
twilit roost
Can't believe they made the specter haunting Europe real
merry verge
What a backstory, lordt
jaunty garden
YOOO
- Added an Extra Competitive option to allow players to control what type of players are placed on their team. If you prefer to play with higher levels of coordination, communication, and competitiveness, then you can use this option to tell the matchmaker to build your team with like-minded allies. This option will sometimes be inactive in scenarios where the pool is very shallow (large portions of Eternus, off peak hours like 5am, extremely long queue, etc.), but otherwise in most normal scenarios the matchmaker will attempt to find you similar players.
Most early gun items nerfed...
Oh thank god Haze nerfs
Lmao
jaunty garden
Lmaooooo
With extended duration and cooldown and rapid recharge, Geist can drain someone for about 40 seconds
rich grove
schlorup
rich grove
HELLO?!
finite patrol
I love that ivy
edgy fog
Noodle arms
frail jasper
rubber hose animation is literally classic
twilit roost
jaunty garden
Ok, Echo Shard Spirit Abrams is apparently a thing
You get Veil Walker and Echo Shard as rushes
Go invisible, charge people into a wall from invis
Echo shard the charge
Stun them again
rich grove
have you seen the microwave
jaunty garden
No?
I've seen a Vindicta build that is called that
But IDK if that's what you're referring to
Echo Shard stake with Alchemical
Just lock them into AoEs
The basic idea I think is that the cheap melee items + double charge is basically a one shot on everyone until the very late game
rich grove
no I meant microwave abrams where you spec into 1
and just give the entire team the succ
vrrrrr
raven spindle
Microwabrams
jaunty garden
no I meant microwave abrams where you spec into 1
Is that not just mostly worse warden?
spiral slate
Anyone here play geist often? Im considering checking her out but the last times I tried I didn't really "get" her
what items does she like and why, what range does she want to play at, etc
jaunty garden
Yeah!
I have a build up called tohu geist
She kinda plays well at every range
Long range is basically just bombs, midrange adds the gun, and then close range adds the suck
With shards thrown not much early and constantly later
She's really slow, so if you didn't like active items you're gonna have a bad time
She relies really heavily on warp stone
For the last second ults
twilit roost
Usually you want to go mystic burst early for her bomb and some restorative shot or melee life steal eventually going into spirit life steal. Her gun is surprisingly good and can chunk people if you hit headshots
spiral slate
With shards thrown not much early and constantly later
damn i knew i was overusing those
jaunty garden
Her main draws to me are lane dominance, never feeling out of a fight/playing on the edge of safety, and very consistent farming
spiral slate
she has crap base regen right
spiral slate
Her main draws to me are lane dominance, never feeling out of a fight/playing on...
expand on that second point if you can