Deadlock

[warped ridge]

Rewind time so you can play more Deadlock

[upbeat perch]

https://youtu.be/5G06gp-sKZg

day9's breakdown, as an introduction

[upbeat perch]

abrams is used to serve as a demo character a lot (well probably cause he's first in alphabetical order)

but also i'm still giggling at woolie recoiling at the dota shop screenshot pat sent him

oh right, i was originally here to ask a basic question

[warped ridge]

Dota with Guns

[upbeat perch]

so is souls management a tug of war between deciding when to shop and when to save so you progress to the next milestone?

do you get milestone via total souls collected or via current souls collected, aka does shopping delay milestone?

[warped ridge]

Milestone for item spike or ability spike?

[upbeat perch]

ability spike

item spike i assume it's based on currently in-bank souls

[warped ridge]

I think it's current souls collected

[upbeat perch]

so shopping delays ability point gain?

[warped ridge]

Cause general you don't have unsecured souls until later in the game

[warped ridge]

Because you're not getting souls yus

[upbeat perch]

gotcha

[cloud shuttle]

woolie experiencing the pain of non-fgc peeps

[agile void]

esentially every moment you arent getting souls you are losing to the ramp up of the match.

the normal rate of soul obtaining should be 1k per minute

[warped ridge]

I need to review my past matches to see how bad I'm doing in that case

[magic summit]

Fun fact, irie in this clip is one of the mods in the deadlock discord

Also I am currently 2 to 0 against Surefour, this is my ancient vendetta come realized from the Overwatch days

[upbeat perch]

i more meant the fact that you pay souls to get items, if that sets you back from getting ability points

[warped ridge]

That shouldn't afaik

I thought you were talking about total souls (including unconfirmed souls)

Vs current souls (meaning no souls you're waiting to confirm in the bag on your back)

[magic summit]

It doesn't. The only way it can set you back is if you have unreliable souls then die before your next level up

[upbeat perch]

ah ok

[rich grove]

if you do have temp souls that is also an implicit encouragement to spend them

since that way you can't lose them

[magic summit]

My favorite thing to do is go to the camp that is underground

Specifically the enemy one

To see if I can find and murder some fool trapped in there

Thanks for farming the camp for me 🙂

[upbeat perch]

do denies get you full amount of soul that would've gone to the lane opponent?

(also do soul orbs have uniform yield?)

[twilit roost]

Yes but XP is split 50/50 between the minion and the soul orb until 10:00 minutes

[short quiver]

Over 100k players

[warped ridge]

I am very curious to see Yamato's new design

[magic summit]

Yoshi — Today at 3:06 PM
Going to be released today hopefully, we are just working through some bugs atm

So patch only maybe today

[rich grove]

mom the moba players are bullying me

[cloud shuttle]

https://dota2.fandom.com/wiki/Black_King_Bar

for other who do know what a bkb is, like i did

[vivid nimbus]

Oh sorta like a QSS except more

[upbeat perch]

it used to not get you out of CC, used to be you needed to pre-emptively activate it

[agile void]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1f35i4q/the_tony_hawks_pro_shiver_gets_even_more_stupid/

wtf dickhead has literally infinite ammo if he can pull this off?

[warped ridge]

I know what QSS and PB are but Idk what BKB is lul

[twilit roost]

[Misc Gameplay ]

• Added wall jumping (does not consume stamina, requires input direction away from the wall, can be done once)

Yooo

(patch notes are live)

[upbeat perch]

istg if this game puts out a hero with the ability to toss out a shootable coin

but also... is the game good enough at reading intention to differentiate wall jumps and mantling?

[rich grove]

I don't think you need to press jump to mantle

you just climb by holding W afaict

[upbeat perch]

oh... been holding space with the intention to mantle

[warped ridge]

yeah my stats are terrible

I can't get 20 + the timer

[merry verge]

where do you find patch notes, steam just has blanks for me

[cloud shuttle]

New yamato look out?

[twilit roost]

The Forums

[warped ridge]

wait where? She's still the same ingame

[merry verge]

i ain't got a login or whatever aa well, ok

Abrams: Now does pull ups on the zipline once again (this is a buff)

[twilit roost]

The main menu of the game will have your login

[merry verge]

Ohhhh, gotcha. Thankie

[vivid nimbus]

The buff bit might actually be true (to a slight degree) if it makes him harder to headshot

[rich grove]

in apex jumping on and off ziplines repeatedly to make yourself harder to hit was a legitimate strategy

[merry verge]

god i don't miss that

least favorite is when something that looks super Video Game Jank is meta

[magic summit]

You should do that here too btw

[rich grove]

yeah i did not enjoy getting shot off ziplines and losing half my health

so I guess humping the zip is back in style again

[magic summit]

Near enemies just propel yourself with the momentum from the zip rather than ride it

[merry verge]

This game has enough mobility and whatall that it doesn't look too godawful for folks to be zipping about

[rich grove]

iirc crouching off the zip disables air friction for a sec

i imagine you can hop on and chain the speed boost into slide -> whatever schmovement you wanna hit

[magic summit]

Fun fact. If the enemy has Improved Burst that procs on them shooting you off the zip

[rich grove]

ack

[karmic cargo]

Deadlock posting, finally

In other news, I really really like Shiv

I sucked at him the first time I ran him but the last couple times have been quite fun

Got a 4 kill! Which was really fun, something I've never done in league before or any moba really.

I dig Deadlock

[merry verge]

Deadlock realizing that mobility is fun and not just leaving it for the 'DPS' characters, verygood A+

and making farming fun

[rich grove]

well I wouldn't go that far

but swoocing around doing slidehops and shit is cool

[merry verge]

Grey Talon trap nerf, thank you devs

[rich grove]

GOD IS GOOD

[merry verge]

Bebop: Hook now only targets enemies when used by default. If you use with alt cast (middle mouse) it will be ally only mode.

well that frightens, minions made me feel safe

[rich grove]

haze stonks

[karmic cargo]

I do very much worry about Bebop

a good one of them can really screw up the day

also, Yamato, pretty goated, I think

[warped ridge]

they just need to not do what apex did

where they nerf easy access movement and only leave goofy source engine tech

[karmic cargo]

Have we tried running a 5 stack from here yet?

[warped ridge]

I believe @runic cedar asks a bit
granted I'm usually already playing with friends or in the middle of other stuff

[karmic cargo]

Ah I see I see

[magic summit]

I might switch it up to being a Kelvin dude now

Artic Beam is real good now, especially since I can slow Infernus's sprint with it

Watching the saddest, slowest flame dash in existence was incredible

[rich grove]

extinguished

if they made Kelvin's gun not feel like shit I might actually pick him up too

the thunderdome feels so sick

[magic summit]

My secret is that I barely use my gun on people

My two Kelvin builds are either stack heal or spam beam

[rich grove]

da beam was fun but felt a little lackluster

[magic summit]

I buy three 500 cost gun items to farm and that's it

[rich grove]

new buffs are probably gonna be nutty tho

[magic summit]

Monster rounds, close quarters and high velocity

The new buffs to make it both slow more and you can hit souls with it are why I like him more now

[rich grove]

🤔

does it have the same infinite range as bebop's primary

i assume probably not

but you never know

[magic summit]

The beam range isn't good at base, it's like, 13 meters I think

Oh wait 25

But I buy Mystic Reach on the beam pretty quick

[upbeat perch]

holy shit

they translated hollowpoint ammo to "ticket to heaven"

wtf is this wild association...

[warped ridge]

rapid updates

[karmic cargo]

Indeed, indeed.

Well, the good thing is that means there'll be new stuff to futz with

[magic summit]

Sounds like a jojo stand

[karmic cargo]

It's a fun name

I need to work on the shiv build I've been screwing with. There's this one spirit item which increases movement speed when tied to an ability and putting it on the dagger allows me a lot more close combat speed. It seems like a cool thing to base a build around.

[magic summit]

Surge is fun, I get it on Kelvin a lot

[rich grove]

surge on paradox 3 sounds fun as fuck

don't you run from me

[karmic cargo]

Surge is really fun yeah!

I've seen some really cool Paradox plays

she's very survivable

But I have seen Lady Geist exactly once

[rich grove]

everything about geist just clicks for me except her ult

[magic summit]

Geist is weird, the only people I see playing her are people that only play Geist

[rich grove]

which is annoying because that's the one thing everyone knows she does lmfao

[karmic cargo]

She steals health and eats her own, yeah?

[rich grove]

but 1deag'ing people with her little dinky pearl handle revolver is so much fucking fun

[karmic cargo]

That's the impression I got at least

[magic summit]

I've killed a lot of geists that are just sitting around a corner at 100 health waiting to swap someone

[rich grove]

her 1 spends health to throw a bigass explosive, her 2 succs health from one target so long as you're in range and los, her 3 spends health to throw shards that damage amp her against targets

[karmic cargo]

Ahh I see

[rich grove]

technically it's not a drain on health it's taking spirit damage

so you can in fact resist it

[magic summit]

Geist is also deceptive in that she, more than most of the cast, is someone that is the head clicker character

Congrats you got away from geist but she bought Crippling Headshot and has 4 stacks of her damage amp on you and is about to pop your head open

[rich grove]

yeah you'd think it would be vindicta

but iirc her ult has exactly 0 headshot mult

so you just become the glorious bodyshot bandito instead

meanwhile geist's primary fire just causes people to fall over dead

[magic summit]

Correct. You still need decent aim to actually get people to low health for your ult but it is shockingly not too important as long as you are hitting them in general

[karmic cargo]

She does feel cool, but I just don't see her that much

Mind you, I also have seen Ivy once

[rich grove]

she does seem more difficult to play without killing yourself by going too low health too quickly

[karmic cargo]

She's great in combination with people I find

she was really successful behind this Warden they had

but as I was running shiv, she did tend to get 4'd pretty consistently

[rich grove]

shiv uh

tends to do that

[karmic cargo]

He does! It's why I like him

[rich grove]

I wonder if part of is that gunshiv pushes your shit in if you're stacking spirit resist to get greedy with your own self damage

[karmic cargo]

Oh possibly!

How've you found him if you've played him Thresh?

[rich grove]

shiv?

I haven't played him at all

[karmic cargo]

Ah fair

he's my other goto besides Seven

What's your favourite thus far?

[rich grove]

Haze

I feel like if you look at my avatar I'm being typecast

[karmic cargo]

ohhhhh

I see!

Haze is cool

[rich grove]

she has ana sleep dart and reaper beyblade

also the potential for some fucking Hijinx with invis

[karmic cargo]

The gun thing is pretty cool, and fixate is a fun skill no doubt

I met a very very scary Haze once

Never again

[rich grove]

she has a minimal amount of stuff I need to think about in combat aside from

"dude I don't care I am going to fucking kill you"

[karmic cargo]

haze's a kickass single target damage dealer, and I like her for that

but I also like uhhhh what's his name for dps, what with the afterburn

[rich grove]

infernus melts

badumtss

[magic summit]

I just got two very frustrating looking kills

[merry verge]

A'ight I can fully say, and it's definitely also salt, but Charged Shot should not exist as it does

It feels like Grey Talon has a Vindicta Ult as a first ability

The snare feels fine now, but he's still real annoying

[karmic cargo]

Having now played Infernus, he's cool!

[shy quiver]

Jacob Lash is an asshole

[shy quiver]

he's not cool, he's hot

[karmic cargo]

oh ho!

Punny, punny

[runic cedar]

anyone want to play some <@&1277035919182008330> ?

[winged terrace]

maybe

but

eepy

[warped ridge]

At work

[runic cedar]

damn

[warped ridge]

CW: sped up animation, somewhat spicy at times (Spiderman being electrocuted, etc)

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/mobilebasic

F.A.Q. for Deadlock
Made by Kyo (mod from Deadlock Discord)

[magic summit]

Huh, didn't know about the increased melee damage when stunned by a parry

[agile void]

Bad at the gaem

[clever igloo]

Just got into the game. Have to say that Mcginnis is a very funny champ hero indeed. I love how the ult becomes a 1v1 tool once you get fully built on items.

[primal wolf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1231286447131328544/1275212577944637502/1724062190390800.gif

McGinnis is such a pain if you build for gun and split push

[warped ridge]

Where do you get all that from?

[agile void]

https://deadlocktracker.gg/

its also in your profile ingame

[twilit roost]

I was having trouble looking myself up on that site, do you need your steam name plus that 4 number code or whatever for it

[magic summit]

Behold

My Seven winrate

[merry verge]

It's what he would want

[lavish grove]

Seven is so fucking dumb lol

I ziplined into a team fight

Pressed 4

And got a triple kill

[magic summit]

Lol

I just now had a match of the ivy + seven combo

And I think they

Forgot I can just murder the Ivy

[rich grove]

IM

FUCKING
BALLING

[magic summit]

[karmic cargo]

Haze stays winning

[warped ridge]

my stats are so awful, I'm only 1606 rating 😭

[karmic cargo]

😔 it's mostly positive for you, at least

[magic summit]

The stat tracking it does matters for games played more than anything

As far as the "Delta" rating, they can't tell your mmr and can only guess

[ivory reef]

https://youtu.be/5G06gp-sKZg

[shy quiver]

At least you have a nice winrate

[warped ridge]

it entirely depends on if I get a character I can play solo or not

because jfc I'm getting a repeat of smite where every single game I get annoying lanes and then my team never plays like a team for me

[karmic cargo]

Shiv stays entirely winning

12/8/9 KDA, which is eh, but better than I was expecting. Very dominant Abrams in my lane

It did help I kept running into a lash who was always conveniently 4able

I really like his kit

[karmic cargo]

I have been there

[rich grove]

https://x.com/moopleaf/status/1829256725121405406

🪴 Moop (injury recovery hiatus) (@moopleaf) on X

I need everyone playing #deadlock to be informed that Dynamo canonically:
-used to be a human man

• has a wife he loves so intensely that he has like 7 voice lines about her

Twitter · Aug 29, 2024, 8:36 PM

[karmic cargo]

He might be me fr fr

I've seen Dynamo do some really cool stuff

Actually, question though, I've got limited experience but what do we think the meta is shaping into thus far?

[primal wolf]

I’ve been in the game since late May, from what I can tell it’s refresher dynamo as a support, wraith as a ganker/DPS, Abrams tank, Vindicta as your back line, Geist in general, and Infernus

Yamato is also good, but heavily dependent on skill

Nightmare team is a Haze and Wraith on a duo lane against a lash and Mo. nothing is getting done and they are losing that lane in 3 minutes

[karmic cargo]

What do you think about Warden? From what I've seen, he appears quite good

[primal wolf]

If you build for cage he’s borderline unstoppable, but that requires you to play pretty defensively

Even then, a decent lash could get himself out of your flytrap

I’ve played him a bit, he’s a tad slow, but if you get fleet foot and a few sprint upgrades he’s a bit better

His fire rate also scales off his speed, like talon

[magic summit]

For any game you will play it's gonna be kinda hard to have any defined team comp with how you get your characters, but sprint boots are the most bought item and enduring speed is bought most games as frequently bought things every game.

For what it's worth, the player regarded as generally "the best" right now made this tierlist from last patch

Hydration, for the record, who also won the recent tournament

[karmic cargo]

There's been tournaments? Huh!

Noted

Dynamo is pretty darn good

[magic summit]

Only one so far I think

I didn't actually watch it

[warped ridge]

that's wrong

Ivy is missing her own tier

[karmic cargo]

Shiv gaming is naturally in S (even though I whiff so much, my dog ass cannot aim)

[rich grove]

now

THIS i s gaming

[warped ridge]

I watch as a dynamo follows me

I think "ah yis, free picks"

dynamo never ults for the free pick

we lose

I sad

[wintry arrow]

Wild chart, because overall winrate Seven seems to be like...THE best?

[rich grove]

most people are bad and seven stomps scubs like yours truly

[karmic cargo]

Seven wins when he can stomp, and when he does, it's awfully effective

[magic summit]

I am too aggro for Seven

I wish to murder

And you feel piddly without a ton of money on your gun and my ult is such a long cooldown

[warped ridge]

I feel like the biggest thing I'm not sure on about that tier list

Is why infernus is S

I assume it's mainly his sustained dps + ult stun

[rich grove]

this tier list was also made when his dash could not be slowed at all

which was only nerfed this patch iirc

so you have a guy who can do one morbillion dps, has a super useful interrupt and can get in and out of fights without much concern for cc

alongside all the other uses for a fuck hueg stun, infernus jumping in last second to steal mid is also a serious issue

[magic summit]

Zero utility all damage

You love to see it

[shy quiver]

Oh! I meant like its at 69% percent

hence the nice

[runic cedar]

<@&1277035919182008330> is there interest in forming a stack bigger than 2?

[thorn lion]

I'm here

[runic cedar]

yey

[karmic cargo]

Same here if you need people!

[runic cedar]

alright then @karmic cargo @thorn lion @wintry arrow <@&1277035919182008330> we lockin?

[karmic cargo]

I'd be amenable!

[thorn lion]

sure

make a channel ig?

[karmic cargo]

Yeah, that works. I'll just grab some water

[runic cedar]

were in HA for now

[thorn lion]

huh

[karmic cargo]

Oh yeah that happens

I've seen us all play it twice

it's not just clones

let me go get that water

[thorn lion]

it would be ideal not to have to switch a channel midgame because people join hangout to hangout

[runic cedar]

yee

[agile void]

i just realized

if deadlock is supposed to be 1920s/1930s

that means WW1 happened

.....

||Are we going to get a nazi hero?||

[steep flicker]

I doubt it

That would be a whole huge can of worms

[primal wolf]

we already do

Friends of Humanity character

[runic cedar]

<@&1277035919182008330> any stacks?

also mabye? like we do have seven who straight up is just a murderer

so mabye another villain character?

[cloud shuttle]

who's the friend of humanity?

[runic cedar]

or mabye like WoW raids to beat a boss (might just be brainrot)

[cloud shuttle]

Lady Geist literally kills the homeless for her anti-aging iirc

[primal wolf]

Friends of Humanity are the anti supernatural faction

Wraith is also probably not a decent person

[runic cedar]

yeah possibly

[agile void]

sounds like the kind of human supremacist dickhead

[primal wolf]

basically what it is

Definitely the people who firebombed abrams

[cloud shuttle]

Not neccisarily?

Someone is looking for that book

[primal wolf]

It could very well be FoH

[cloud shuttle]

it could be literally any organized band of occultists hah

[runic cedar]

i feel like FoH might take on a bigger role as antagonists in the story

or mabye the people after the book are followers of the patrons

[cloud shuttle]

an easy group to smack around

There's a lot of interest factions in the lore

[primal wolf]

Considering that it has some tie to Oathkeeper, its most likely FoH. Paradox are nerds who can't do shit, Baxter are magical animal hunters, OSIC are just the government, and Tunnel Rats dgaf about anything other than keeping their tunnels safe and giving kids cigarettes

OR, its Seven

[cloud shuttle]

oh and Paradox.

[runic cedar]

also spanish harlem and whoevers ass ivy kicked

[cloud shuttle]

Paradox isn't one person

[runic cedar]

ALSO there is the company pocket is the inheretor of

[cloud shuttle]

Mendoza Syndicate and Fairfax Industries

[runic cedar]

fairfax industries

yee

[primal wolf]

Fairfax wouldn't mess with Abrams over some book, and the Mendozas don't seem like the type to mess with a PI

[cloud shuttle]

Fairfax might

what's in the book?

[primal wolf]

God knows, but its tied to oathkeeper

[cloud shuttle]

Then Fairfax and some organized crime org might.

[primal wolf]

Fairfax wouldn't know if Abrams had to book

[cloud shuttle]

why

[primal wolf]

In the conversation Geist had with (whatever his name is), she didn't disclose that Abrams had the book. She's the only character who aside from Abrams (that we are aware of) that knows the book has ties to Oathkeeper

Oh and Geist's son

[cloud shuttle]

oh right - the visual novel

[runic cedar]

yeah, im just going through it rn and uhh voice acting (there is no melting into a puddle emoji so uhh AMAZING stuff)

[cloud shuttle]

🫠

[runic cedar]

ty

DAMN mcginnis is BUILT, i fear that once im at the end of the novel ill be naught but a sweltering cloud of steam

[thorn lion]

novel?

[runic cedar]

yeah the visual novel

here is a link to it :https://www.reddit.com/r/valve/comments/1d0b0ie/deadlock_lady_geist_full_novel_leaked/

[rocky cobalt]

I wouldn't mind deading some locks if that's still on the table

[runic cedar]

uhh sure i guess, it IS late though so i might not be for long

[rocky cobalt]

Just putting it out there in case the stack comes together or something, don't think of it as a requirement

[runic cedar]

ye ye uhh i guess il ping and hope for a stack

<@&1277035919182008330> calling any stacks

[thorn lion]

oathkeepr is matt mercer???

nice

[primal wolf]

They need to decrease the hitbox on Haze's knife

[rich grove]

that shit genuinely hits around corners

it is crazy the amount of times i've thought i clean whiffed it and nope

[primal wolf]

also melee hitting when it just shouldn't is a major problem they've yet to fix

[rich grove]

that's just the valve flavor baby

a proud tradition of melee jank

[primal wolf]

Haze needs a nerf outright

[warped ridge]

there's a number of chars that need a nerf

a lot of the jank hitboxes could use some fine tuning but not sure how much they can do about that given source engine jank

I'd say Haze needs more a rework but I'd rather wait for more chars before being sure of that

[rich grove]

haze has one piecce of team utility and the rest of her kit is selfish and/or pure damage

it's not really a problem necessarily but she's felt a bit feast or famine because of it

[warped ridge]

I'd say she's more feast or famine due to the way her kit works rather than what's in the kit

[rich grove]

if you get fed fast enough to have an early ult you probably just ruin people's years because of how strong it is now

what does that even mean lol

[warped ridge]

cause she's def super binary with how her ult combos with her stack mechanic

well every time I see her it's always either
ult (for free stacks) or "did she get enough stacks to be a scary or can she just be monched"

granted she isn't as binary as like vindicta I feel

where vindicta feels like any 1v1 where people aren't running out in the open vindicta starts struggling

but the stacks and reliance on ulti if no stacks feels like those are the contributing reason to her feast or famine memes

[rich grove]

i do not understand the targeting on vindicta ult

there've been times i cleanly click a mo right in his giant scope filling torso and get noregged

[warped ridge]

I've nothing on that

her ult I just don't like using cause no execution indicator

I'd rather do the mental math of "they are in ability bonus damage range" rather than "can I kill them with 1 charge of ulti"

[merry verge]

I also feel like.. her main gun doesn't feel right, like if it's going to be firing like that it maybe needs a redesign

Because that's a dang bolt action lookin antique rifle

[warped ridge]

I'm fine with it but I also like

it's just because her ult is so bleh feeling to me

[merry verge]

I haven't shot actual players with it so I can't judge

But she feels less toxic to fight than Gray Talon so I'm supportive

[warped ridge]

9/10 I shoot someone and they live with a sliver of HP or they die a second or two later from DOT

[rich grove]

it is totally impossible to tell how much damage it'll do sometimes

[warped ridge]

which like

to be fair these are personal issues with me and the char

[rich grove]

a little important when the biggest upside is the massive econ you get to snowball with

[merry verge]

Could give it a little leeway, if they die within x seconds of being shot

[warped ridge]

honestly for major game play like econ or snowballing I struggle more with randoms

just cause like

I'll get a dynamo when I'm playing a carry

who refuses to use their ult in the 2v1 when I'm fighting another hyper carry

so I have to either blow my ult as haze or yamato to kill the other carry or I die and dynamo gets the kill because they usually don't output enough damage

and then they go ult the enemy team when none of our team is around them

happened like 3 games in a row now when they've been on my team

that or like

my laning phase is hell because my teammate just can't harass the enemy team

so I just stick behind the nearest wall and only pop-out to deny

and then just depends on what's going on

if I'm vindicta I just have to get lucky I don't fudge my ult like I always do

or if I'm haze or yamato I can usually 1v2 at a certain point from Haze ult power spike or Yamato 1 power spike

I'm still having issues throwing matches by feeding because I try to play as a team

like look at this, I feed 10 deaths cause I keep going out of position

[agile void]

kinda want to play deadlock with someone

but im in Latinamerica

there will be sizeable ping with the people around here

[primal wolf]

Yamato is such a pain in the ass

Nothing but respect for Yamato players, cus she’s hard as fuck to play, but… goddamn man

[warped ridge]

She's the easiest character for me to play tbh

[rich grove]

yamato 1 early in the lane is brutal

the harrass is real

[warped ridge]

it's why I've been trying to play haze more recently

cause Yamato I'm already fairly confident with

Haze I'm still trying to sort out

Vindicta I def do not like playing atm but I know it's gonna be a longer time trying to figure her stuff out due to her ult

also ye

Yamato 1 is def very good

it's how I 1v2 in lane

[rich grove]

she fuckin chunks you if you peek wrong

[warped ridge]

which is why I feel decently okay with Yamato now cause even if my teammate isn't doing anything for w/e reason I can do enough with yamato because I have just enough output when they get greedy trying to kill my teammate

[rich grove]

a much better ability than in an fps

because you can 3peek lol

[warped ridge]

plus her shuriken throw makes denying soooo much easier than haze and vindicta

[rich grove]

the destiny classic

[merry verge]

wait how Haze seems quite adept at it with her spammy lil' machinepistols

[warped ridge]

it's still clicking a specific spot

[rich grove]

bloom

[merry verge]

Ahhh.. gotcha

[warped ridge]

Shuriken throw you cover more of the screen

[rich grove]

she is very good at it but not quite as good as shotgun chars or bebop

[merry verge]

i had no idea how easy the shotgun folks had it until i tried 'em

good lordt

[rich grove]

skidaddle skidoodle your last hits are a noodle

[merry verge]

but they do gotta be right there

[warped ridge]

but ultimately for haze best thing I can come up with is knife throw for sleep and then kill minions within those few seconds

or use it if enemies get close, start spraying and they get spooked for like

no real reason

meanwhile when I played uhh

[magic summit]

There are a few stacking on kill things that could probably be given some slight leeway

[warped ridge]

against a haze and vindicta as yamato

I just ate them in lane

[merry verge]

Vin is just so damn fragile

[magic summit]

Especially since if you hit them with it and they die to something like your Improved Burst you don't get the stack

[warped ridge]

well tbf I didn't actually eat them

[merry verge]

wow that's some butt

[warped ridge]

as in kill them

I just out farmed them

[magic summit]

Grey Talon and Mo and Krill's ult gives stacks but you are really easily fucked out of them

[merry verge]

good, more nerfs for Talon

[magic summit]

Yeah no I hate playing against a yamato in lane her alt fire is frustrating to ever deal with and her melee does more damage than you

[warped ridge]

alt fire?

you telling me I should have been right clicking all this time?

[rich grove]

a-alt fire

[merry verge]

i'm so good at forgetting when chars have Alt Fire instead of aim

so many wasted bullets

[warped ridge]

wtf are those

she throws a minibomb wuuut

[magic summit]

It hits around corners a lot

[primal wolf]

Mo needs a longer cooldown on combo

[magic summit]

Suggested nerf

You can kill mo or krill

They get two health bars and if you shoot the giant mole man then he has to run around as a little goblin dude

[rich grove]

ah yes the dva solution

this is acceptable if and only if the gun while in baby form is inexplicably good

[warped ridge]

yeah cause it eats people

[primal wolf]

I may be the worst talon ever

Also from today

https://tenor.com/view/deadlock-welcome-to-lash-city-valve-lash-gif-10522548350812131673

[warped ridge]

I now have ran into my first toxic player

they were Pocket

[primal wolf]

I've gotten called two slurs in the span of one game

[warped ridge]

I saw someone tell someone else to 0/1 themself in real life

I sure hope these report buttons work

[hollow ocean]

Are valve mobas normally toxic?

[steep flicker]

Well, Valve only has one other being Dota2

But yes, that game is infamously toxic

Same with Valve's other big competitive game Counterstrike

[magic summit]

In my personal experience I've not really played a multiplayer game where people weren't toxic

Mobas tend to just have the effect of you are locked in this game with this person for, most likely, half an hour

[steep flicker]

In my experience it's competitive team games that does it

PvE communities tend to be chill

and PvP games with no team play (fighting games for example) tend to be pretty chill

[warped ridge]

for me it's usually random but also does vary by game

DbD and Overwatch were the most toxic games I've played

[primal wolf]

Vindicta needs a rework

Her ultimate (when it does work) is far too strong to fight against

also, flight lasting that long is so fucking dumb, especially with duration upgrades

[rich grove]

is the only thing you're going to be doing in this chat bitching

[magic summit]

lol

[primal wolf]

I’ve been doing other things than bitching

If they do decide to use skins as their main form of monetization (which they probably will), I hope the Neon Prime models get reused as skins

After a good 18 or so games as shiv after his first real fix, I think his knives are still a little funky. I’ve definitely whiffed knives that should have hit, and vice versa

[magic summit]

Yoshi mentioned that hats would be a thing in the game, will hope for full model skins at some point but even on release i would hedge ones bets on cosmetics being limited

Also if people play Pocket and can afford it I recommend Magic Carpet

Probably not a good purchase but I love being difficult to murder

[runic cedar]

anyone wanna do some <@&1277035919182008330>?

[rocky cobalt]

I'd be down

[runic cedar]

<@&1277035919182008330> asking one last time before we get ready to queue anyone down?

[thorn lion]

be there, but you can queue, gotta eat

[near current]

i need to lock tf in

def have a better swing on things now tho

[cloud shuttle]

https://deadlockwiki.org/w/Main_Page

[tardy sundial]

Abrams jumpscare

[rich grove]

not fandom
LETS FUCKING GOOOO

[short steppe]

not having to pick between dogshit wiki's for a game for once is a nice change of pace

[vivid nimbus]

A lot of existing fandom wikis have jumped ship to another host too

[short steppe]

excellent

[rich grove]

@magic summit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83_xwq7I3bI holy shit

CATGIRL MENTIONED

[magic summit]

I am glad that this exists so I don't sound like a crazy person

[rich grove]

I mean the top Ivy build with like 78k hearts is called "CATGIRL DPS IVY"

you can move so fast you can slide without dashing what the f u ck

[astral stone]

Oki good I'm not the only one who finds Ivy's Laning horrible

Wasn't just me being bad

[warped ridge]

It's not the worst but you can definitely have a rough time with it

[astral stone]

She's easily enough to survive with, that's not really the problem

It's just you basically do no damage early with DPS ivy

[vivid nimbus]

Fucking amazing, is it just a speed threshold?

[rich grove]

yes

I believe it's >10m/s LATERALLY

or if you're moving down a slope

dash puts you past the former so you can slide out of a dash, as does a dashjump

having to quickly edit my sentences here to ward off the programmers

[astral stone]

Ye when ya get Heroic aura and Enduring speed and 2 points in Heal ya are fast enough to slide as Ivy when using heal

[rich grove]

infinite ammo BABEY

[astral stone]

And Vampiric burst makes ya able to slide at any time without heal

I still needa work on sliding more when I play Ivy

(Vindicta main sitting in the clouds)

[rich grove]

vindicta with that one item that gives movement speed on hit is so fucking funny

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[astral stone]

Which one?

[rich grove]

rapid fire(????), can't recall off the top

think it's a 3k

[astral stone]

I rush The Molotov thing

Cause it's really strong with her 1

I dunno if it's still as strong cause her 1 got nerfed

[rich grove]

alchemists fire is crucial to a couple of wombo combos

think lash 1 into alch fire

[astral stone]

Yee

[warped ridge]

I don't think I'm good enough to be in games where that's mattered yet unfortunately, usually I just last hit and deny and wind up ahead in the lane

[astral stone]

I see, ye I like to trade alot cause I play Vindicta

And it doesn't really work that well on Ivy and I often just fluff my lane

[warped ridge]

IMO it's all numbers with just like

Can you outdamage the natural regen+the creep heal

With someone like Haze you generally won't be able to since little damage outside of guns but on someone like Yamato you can chunk people with her 1 and then do alt fire

[rich grove]

huh

people are running scrims somehow

[clever igloo]

what are some good ways to lane against a Talon?

[primal wolf]

get close

the more aggressive you play the easier it is to bully him

[magic summit]

Haze's kill pressure in lane is entirely on laning dagger or not

Land sleep dagger and get a free heavy melee

[magic summit]

Random thing but this is reminding me that the tracking websites showing how much your mmr is listed Catgirl and Hydration as like 15k, lol. Extra incentive to not get too big a head if your number on that goes up

God I wish I could play more but my schedule makes it difficult, just constantly rotating Pocket in my mind

[warped ridge]

ye in 1v1
unfortunately I don't have the luxury of 1v1 or 2v2 lel

[magic summit]

2v2 has the effect of if your opponent is smart they should notice their friend is slept and go to stand in front of you to parry, yeah. I think Haze's laning for that should be a bit like Mo and Krill, where you try to shove the wave and just fuck off to gank an adjacent lane real quick

[warped ridge]

eh was more usually they try to go for kills and I've got teammates who aren't really sure what they're doing

so usually I just play extremely safe and distract them with denies

since I know I'm better than the average player at osu

[near current]

man this game is gonna completely change when ppl find out how to itemize

it doesnt help that most of the top community builds suck

[rich grove]

probably

[agile void]

assists dont really give much souls it seems

[rich grove]

you get assist credits for sniffing them before they die so itd be kind of insane if they did

[magic summit]

My tip is buy more active items and buy sprint boots

[rich grove]

its the number one picked item in the game for a reason

[near current]

like

return fire completely shuts down haze if shes not disgustingly ahead

[primal wolf]

Shiv is so much fun once you get rage up consistently

[magic summit]

Return fire, Ethereal shift, warp stone, metal skin

So many options to not die to haze ult

And yet.

[rich grove]

knockdown :v)

[magic summit]

I need to get knockdown more

[rich grove]

played a match with the most godly dynamo in the fucking game

the number of times he would time team tp to put us in invuln during bebop bombs, haze ults, lash ults

I joke that singularity is just grav, but holy fuck, he was playing like that tp was bubble

[merry verge]

Might be my favorite part of his kit

Time it like a spell parry so nifty

[agile void]

murica fuck yeah

[cloud shuttle]

Guest Star: Doom Slayer

[runic cedar]

i cant read that what does it say?

[runic cedar]

(this)

[warped ridge]

I'm not a big fan of warp stone but I don't like many actives anyways

Actives are definitely the way to go though

mainly cause this game has absolutely busted CC options

But also I'm like

Throwing every game I'm a part of until I find a character that can guarantee kill any one of the opposing team

Which atm closest is Yamato

So I unfortunately throw if I don't get Yamato cause I'm not good at any of the other chars yet

(Not inting, just being bad)

[astral stone]

ye thats me with not getting Vindicta

tho ive gotten alot better at Ivy now and can do pretty well with her now

[warped ridge]

I try vindicta but I can't sort her ult out

[astral stone]

her ult is either fluffed, or ya need to charge it for it to work

usually i just get them lower than the requirement for it to actully kill

but ye there is time where it will leave the enemy on 1 hp and its so annoying

[twilit roost]

Vindicta is a charge ult, her cross hair has a circle that fills up

[astral stone]

ik there is a circle charge thing

i just cant be fluffed

quickscope go brrrrr

it usually kills them so

[warped ridge]

I usually wait for it to charge up

But I'm too lazy to want to calculate actual hp + ult cooldown in my head

[astral stone]

for kills that ya can do that with def do

but alot of the ult kills i get are on rolling opponents i just barely see

[astral stone]

well dunno if def. ya could also just take the charge time to shoot them to 25% and then quickscope, which is what i usually do

[warped ridge]

For me it's just I get more kills using her regular gun than her ult

[warped ridge]

That might actually be a better idea

[astral stone]

her 3 leveded ult gives you 600 souls on kill with ult

[runic cedar]

ty :)

[warped ridge]

A lot of the calculation I kept doing in my head put the kill shots around 30% without looking at BR or SR

But then my monke brain sees the red outline at 50 and I click

[astral stone]

same

and then get angy it didnt kill

[warped ridge]

If I can figure out that for vindicta I can see if I want to learn a 4th char finally

[astral stone]

i basically just rush Alchemical fire

and then roam alot

1 + alchemical fire is usually a kill early-mid game

[warped ridge]

I'm just lazy and use the community build

[astral stone]

i modified one mostly

[warped ridge]

I just don't like the actives on haze's community build

But I just don't like actives

[astral stone]

this is the vindicta build i use

its a modified version of one of the top liked builds

tho i dont often go fortitude or Pristine emblem or surge of power

[warped ridge]

I will say

The good news

Is outside all of my matches

I've not had a random sabotage the match like my friend accidentally did

They said mcginnis' ult was op and repeatedly fucked up their wall placements

[astral stone]

o no

[warped ridge]

Normally not too bad because I'm playing haze and had enough to escape bad situations

But we almost lost at one point because when we went to go mid boss, they accidentally walled off our team from the crystal when the enemy tried to steal it

I still get more sad by teammate dynamo players

[astral stone]

nooooo painnn

[warped ridge]

It was more annoying because the enemy team was being as toxic as they can

[astral stone]

btw just a movement tip, after your dash-jump you can slide - jump - slide

[agile void]

reminder that the 4 on vindicta has no headshot multiplier

headshot=bodyshot

[warped ridge]

I know

It's mainly just me treating the red outline like execute

Cause monke brain

[warped ridge]

Apparently sliding also gives inf ammo?

[astral stone]

yup

ya wanna slide shoot alot with characters

and use stairs to slide shoot

.

basically if you have stamina you have ammo

[agile void]

jump dash in the air crouch

you will slide in flat surface for a bit

[astral stone]

just dash-slide for fights unless ya needa chase or need movement

[agile void]

its also useful to escape

since some momentum of the dash carries in the slide

just cut it short in the last second or 2 of it

[astral stone]

^^^

[agile void]

i remember seeing a thing in 4chan

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1yfPHJsMrKcg_8wqa95qu0sOFxRdzKLF_eUWOZX7RLHc

[astral stone]

pretty good doc

explains it pretty well

[upbeat perch]

Dash Jump Slide Bunnyhopping
dear god

i occasionally play deadlock as a recovery from guilty gear
this is giving me flashbacks to amount of inputs being asked for

[tardy sundial]

oh I can down-dash

[warped ridge]

it's better than apex atm

[ivory reef]

do you guys organize a lot of deadlock together?

oh wait you already have a role

nevermind

[warped ridge]

Wizard pings a lot for stacks but I'm like, almost always busy or at work at those times 😭

[twilit roost]

So I was thinking about potential characters and their niches and what do people think about a character that can plant wards as an ability?

[magic summit]

The current Version of Calico has something similar to that, where she plants cat statues down that look in a direction

Though wards as just vision granting devices in this game probably wouldn't do much

[rich grove]

even at its ginormous size the minimap isn't high res enough to give you that good of an idea of where people are

in crowded fights the little bubbles very quickly start zfighting so much it's totally pointless

[magic summit]

Largely even with knowledge of where they are I just think of "and then what"

[rich grove]

yea

more than anything this is like

[magic summit]

You can already tell from across the map if someone has farmed a camp because it disappears globally, someone doing a medium camp will likely take it much too fast for anyone to, say, manuever around a tower to their side

[rich grove]

not a killing game

this is a money game that has objectives in it and incidentally you kill people

[warped ridge]

I barely get money from killing people sometimes

I just go "damn maybe I should have been farming instead of going for this pick"

[twilit roost]

The real NYC simulator, always got to be on your grind

[upbeat perch]

i just want a character with the skill to throw a shootable coin

[warped ridge]

if you play haze

technically you're shooting where the dagger goes if it hits someone

[warped ridge]

Calico is def cool

I don't personally like they're design but like

it's got better drip than Pocket's

well

I guess if the suitcase is also Pocket

then Pocket has drip

[magic summit]

I don't quite understand but I love Pocket's design already, I think Calico's model atm seemed really stiff from what I spawned of it but I love cat assassin as a gimmick

[warped ridge]

for me it's just uhh

Pocket is like the Generic White Dude for Deadlock despite being NB

[merry verge]

Bawh, that's Jacob Lash.

Though Kelvin does look like a surprising amount of youtube beardmen

[warped ridge]

yeah Lash suffers the same design issue

[merry verge]

i can't tell if Lash

has eyes

is there some sort of Daredevil thing where he's a boxer and blind

nawh Warden has the same thing going on

https://static0.gamerantimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/warden-in-deadlock-with-a-build.jpg

[warped ridge]

also Vindicta

[agile void]

its also a game in alpha

[merry verge]

oh for sure

just an odd thing to be like 'yeah we'll get to that' about

[agile void]

reminder we just got fucking WALLJUMPS 2 updates ago

[rich grove]

Lash has Brock eyes

[warped ridge]

tbf

[rich grove]

Lash also has a 20fps reload animation for some reason?

[warped ridge]

they also did a complete redesign of most of the characters from their neon prime designs

[agile void]

yamato and grey talon are the ones that need a rework dont they?

i dont remember if haze too

[merry verge]

Shiv reloads his gun by just sorta lookin' at it

[twilit roost]

Rework or new character model?

[merry verge]

opens it up and considers the bullets inside

[agile void]

character model

[merry verge]

and considering how Scout TF2 managed that might be final and i'm A-ok with it

[agile void]

I mean the guy also has like

1 real arm

[merry verge]

Wraith and her four arms, all smug

[agile void]

the other is a prostetic

[merry verge]

he's such a killer design, gahd

kickin' the knives

[twilit roost]

Oh yeah Yamato is getting a new character model with some early concept art shown off but I also assume Bebop and McGinnis will be getting one as well

[agile void]

girl can dab you while she kills you

no one should have that power

[warped ridge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1f6ejx0/deadlock_when_it_was_known_as_neon_prime/

[agile void]

i know bebop is in like yesnt

like he is still neon prime but some small changes happened

[merry verge]

tbf they nailed it with him

love a shapey junkbot

[agile void]

oh yeah sure

a junkbot looking kind of put together always works

[merry verge]

McGinnis ingame model looks like.. the Child version of her profile art though

[rich grove]

dynamo fits, bebop pretty much does too

[agile void]

its like the only thing that makes it make sense if they look unfinished

or having dangly bits

[rich grove]

Mcginnis' only real problem is her gun looking a little too futurey

[merry verge]

Yeah McGinnis needs to make it more clear she's shooting you with ghosts

[agile void]

i mean that gun shoots spirit shit with ult

[merry verge]

yeye

[warped ridge]

I think Infernus' new design is 100x better

dude shoots finger guns

[agile void]

I can justify ms enginner looking "kind of" off since her schtick is "science woman"

[agile void]

he needs something in his shoes

just the top is red

[merry verge]

i can definitely see later Infernus having a sort of constant fire-footsteps thing going on

[agile void]

give his shoes some fire thingy to make it look actually speedy

[rich grove]

she is science woman but she's the wrong kind of mad science for the roaring 20's

[agile void]

just give him tacky looking pictures of fire in his shoes

will work as a nice contrast to all the black of his pants

[agile void]

paradox

she arguably looks the MOST futuristic of all of them

[rich grove]

yeah but paradox looks like a jetsons character

not an apex one

[warped ridge]

some might consider it the right side

paradox has the drip

[rich grove]

she's got that shit on tbh

[agile void]

paradox has hips

paradox is an organization but goddamn

[merry verge]

oh i think they mean McGinnis looks more apex-y

[rich grove]

i suspect the joke is that loba has a giant ass

[merry verge]

she's more 'Rampart that actually looks like she could hold the gun she uses'

[rich grove]

yeah sheila was my first thought for mcginnis minigun with that particular barrel shape

I

*I could be wrong though given it's been an age since I've played apex

[warped ridge]

loba might have a butt but Valkyrie has wings

wanna know who else has wings?

[astral stone]

i'm so excited for her

[magic summit]

I'm curious what her kit will be

[rich grove]

i summoned this cat to look at you

[magic summit]

Cause they keep changing stuff on her. I think the next one that will be added will be the cowgirl character just based on how finished they look

The one that I really want added is Wrecker cause it seems like his schtick is just

https://tenor.com/view/trashman-alwayssunny-gif-20476414

I want to throw trash at people

[primal wolf]

they're in his model

[primal wolf]

also viscous, dynamo and bebop

[rich grove]

viscous is apparently just a kelvin model with a fun new shader on top

so that's probably not sticking around

[primal wolf]

The final model is in game, just needs rigging and final passover

[astral stone]

do they keep changing it?

cause i honnestly really like her current kit

except for maybe the ult

[primal wolf]

I think her kit is final?? they might change the turrets back into spawnables

[rich grove]

it's an icefrog game

so

[primal wolf]

this is true

we already have a character with bare feet

[rich grove]

nothing in life is certain except death taxes and icefrog turning a character into something completely different right before worlds

[cloud shuttle]

oh and the jungle gets shot at again

if i believe DOTA friends

[primal wolf]

I think this last major hit to soul farming was about it

[still peak]

only other certainty in life is the quality of all chat in valve games

[primal wolf]

any further hits to jungle may kill it entirely

[rich grove]

this game is already so swung towards lane farm

[rich grove]

this is 'i'm going to piss your pants' levels of unsettlinmg

[magic summit]

Her ult has changed a few times from what I've seen, from like a "cat bomb" to "cat bullets" and I don't know if the latest patch put something different but she seemed to have a more active camo of like "be stealthed, shoot to reveal yourself, go stealth again as you reload and repeat"

Her leap and cat throw ability seem like they've been same general gist but keep being changed slightly, now it seems your cat just kidnaps someone

Also her gun works now. I kinda like this rapid fire scatter thing she has

[astral stone]

o interesting. Ye shes got the stealth one rn, i dont really know how to feel about it

[magic summit]

I think it is likely to get changed, it doesn't seem updated from last big patch and lacks both a description and proper perks

[astral stone]

i kinda hope it gets changed

tho id still play her with the stealth

[agile void]

got recommended these videos and I found it funny

concord video: "hating designs over 1 hour"

deadlock video: "Man having too much fun not realizing he just yapped for 3 fucking hours"

[steep flicker]

Oh, is that channel any good?

I do see a concord design hate video often but the thumbnail implies the channel is a bit....ehhhh

[agile void]

no idea but from what I do see

i think he is a league player

well, was

[hollow ocean]

Skyen has interesting character design takes ngl

I don’t mind some of them

[agile void]

i do agree that Infernus should have something on his shoes

just because nothing in the design itself remarks he is "fast" and the shoes having some fire imagery would be nice

[hollow ocean]

https://youtu.be/fHiddBwE394?si=XNtqrHNOPpOi5-xE

Got reccomended this

Honestly… now I can see the complaints a bit

These designs just feel off

[twilit roost]

I'm Woolie and Pat pilled where they said it would fit as a stylized 60/70s scific look but got pushed into being hyper realistic by the suits because of the amount of money spent on mocap for the weekly episodes concord had planned

[hollow ocean]

Yeah I can see the 60s vibe

But it clashes so hard and looks plasticy

[steep flicker]

this is one I haven't been clicking on

[warped ridge]

there's a lot of pro designers I don't like

I need background in the title

[steep flicker]

Because the thumbnail is very "the designs are bad because she's not a super model"

But yeah, the second I saw the first trailer I was immediately slammed with uncanny valley

[thorn lion]

TBSkyen's videos are usually focused on examining either character designs or animation

I'd say they're fairly good, but I've also been watching him for a good bit now

[primal wolf]

Lash and Shiv are my go to characters, they're so much fun

[magic summit]

https://x.com/RitSkyZ/status/1829194292587528494

RitSkyZ (COMM$ OPEN) (@RitSkyZ) on X

Pocket from Deadlock
I'm not normal about them
#deadlock #deadlock_pocket #valve

Twitter · Aug 29, 2024, 4:27 PM

[cloud shuttle]

Pocket pro skater

[runic cedar]

<@&1277035919182008330> heyheyhey anyone down to play some deadlock?

[winged terrace]

Mayb

[thorn lion]

perhaps

[runic cedar]

well ill be waiting

[winged terrace]

@thorn lion stack is forming

[thorn lion]

be there in a bit

[winged terrace]

ok

<@&1277035919182008330> need 1 more

[astral stone]

ya still missing 1?

[thorn lion]

yea

[winged terrace]

still need 1 more

[magic summit]

I would but my experience with 200 ping Deadlock was unplayable

[buoyant plank]

Been having a lot of fun with mo n krill and viscious

and seven when the goo gods don't like me

[rich grove]

mo and krill seem hella tanky

they don't necessarily get people dead but it usually takes about two or three players' worth of combined fire to actually kill them most games in my experience

[buoyant plank]

it's not so much just tankiness, they heal a lot from their 1

if you can keep them from being in areas where they can't just keep healing from that aoe they go down fast

I really hope leavers just get their invite taken away

seems like every match there's at least two

[magic summit]

You do get banned if you leave too much

[buoyant plank]

very funny game

[magic summit]

Also I would play Mo and Krill more if I played with people but they seem very much the type of tank that if you get behind it's really hard to play if your team doesn't help you murder some dude

The length of their disarm btw is silly

Why is pocket sand so strong

[rich grove]

it's disgusting

[thorn lion]

wait, couldn't Ivy taxi around seven during his ult?

[rich grove]

i think you can now

the patch notes mention players no longer being silenced during ivy ult taxi

[still peak]

yeah i lost a game to ivy+seven combo yesterday

felt very fair and cool lol

[rich grove]

I am very quickly realising that nobody else is going to be the knockdown guy in my games against seven

so I'm gonna have to be knockdown guy

someone's gotta spend 3000 to make him spend 6200

[warped ridge]

simply have a seven on your team

then you don't have to worry about spending 3000 as they go 0/7

[buoyant plank]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/mkjTFicGeOg

Also the seven ivy combo is weird because like.. you can't plan to have it

[rich grove]

air-dropping dynamo also s-tier

yeah heroes being RNG is extremely weird

occasionally you'll just have an entire team comp of 400hp squishies because nobody has an abrams or dynamo or w/e picked

[magic summit]

The secret to the Ivy Seven combo is you can just murder Ivy

[rich grove]

true!

[magic summit]

There is a very squishy goblin carrying around mr electric

[rich grove]

also god forbid they are not in the same lane together because man it's easy to bully Ivy

Seven at least has crazy good tools for laning

[warped ridge]

no bulli gargoyle princess
https://vxtwitter.com/uglycoal/status/1797020696876314630

https://preview.redd.it/ivys-heritage-credit-for-ivy-v0-ixu10vfgscmd1.png?auto=webp&s=94871c9facfa780f82eadca076deb17e5b5028fc

[magic summit]

It's funny that my Seven winrate is non-existent cause I always do well in lane cause I just. Make myself barely interactable

Yeah sure you got a deny off on me but I zap every wave to your tower instantly so have fun staying over there

[rich grove]

his aoe ball is spectacularly annoying, 3 early game basically means your opponent can't peek without getting chunked

static shock is a free pick in a duo lane and some solos

I think his only '''weakness'' in lane is that he doesn't have a shotgun

bebop is really funny but I feel like he's way too linear for me

[buoyant plank]

He doesn't do much damage early on so if you have a solid heal like mo and krill you can bully him out pretty easily

[quaint kernel]

I like Bebop for having a cool gun and an ability loop you can do

He's very funny

[merry verge]

The grab just goes so far

[rich grove]

I think I'm too addicted to the 9000 IQ shit you can do with characters like Dynamo, Lash or Paradox

with Bebop you go 3,2,1 and then either the guy dies or you get sploded

[merry verge]

Paradox could use a little adjustment I feel

Like she works and works well but some things feel off idk

Wall actually stopping bullets maybe

[rich grove]

wall does stop bullets*

*for like five seconds

[merry verge]

Like it feels great to combo into with the ult

But that's like the whole thing

[rich grove]

usually if I set the wall up I'm trying to tango

[merry verge]

Make it bigger whynot

[rich grove]

use the fact that it's oneway

[merry verge]

Yerr, do the Winston dance with folks

[rich grove]

dive through it, wiggle back and forth, shoot them through it since your bullets IFF through and theirs don't

[merry verge]

But just something in the kit isn't clicking idk

[rich grove]

fair enough

I go back and forth on the character

sometimes I'm a ganking god and sometimes I just sit around and do nothing except get people with the fuck you beam

[merry verge]

It feels like there isn't much room for build option with her kit, her Bomb is also just sort of. There.

[rich grove]

bomb damage amp is pretty scary and it's nice having any amount of mass clear during laning

tickling them with bomb sometimes leads to people just getting annihilated by mystic burst kinetic carbine

[warped ridge]

https://preview.redd.it/viscous-without-the-goo-v0-vpy1mw3afjmd1.png?auto=webp&s=8e7dbb9dada3bdbbde293002b790e976b2355a94 what has valve been hiding from us

[merry verge]

I've never had folks get hit by like more than one bomb pulse

[rich grove]

what the fuck he's naked

[merry verge]

He's like one of those artist pose model thingies

[rich grove]

they took his pants off

mainly I think the purpose of bomb is primarily scaring people off early and threatening a lot of damage given how good her gun is

[merry verge]

Maybe I just want it to feel more time themed idk

[rich grove]

you're right in that lategame I basically just see it used for jungling

[merry verge]

Great sound effect tho

[rich grove]

if that

but just having a way to quickly aoe down a few creeps and get people to slow their roll is pretty nice early

[merry verge]

True enough, laning phase handler

[rich grove]

c.f. Ivy who wishes her aoe was anywhere near as useful

paradox 1 is certainly no geist bomb or seven ball but it's pretty reasonable

[merry verge]

Geist bomb is such a monster

Maybe the most like.. difference in scale from early to late game, her

[rich grove]

I still don't think I understand how to play geist but now that I know that her 3 has a 1s cooldown

maybe I understand a little better

[merry verge]

Early Game: Try To Survive, Late Game: Eat people alive

[rich grove]

someone I was playing with asked why there weren't more slow-firing hard-hitting guns in the game and the answer I suspect is

they feel really fucking awful for laning

[merry verge]

Yeahh

Well shotguns solve it but it's rough going

Still looks goofy as hell from Vindicta though

[rich grove]

yeah Vindicta is probably the biggest example of flavor vs gameplay

"she's a sniper who harrasses her targets from long range!" "so her gun is a slow firing bolt action right" "no dumbfuck it's an AR15"

[merry verge]

In a slower game she'd have a whole fancy bolt-loading animation

[agile void]

bro, Bullet resist shredder?

your other option is wasting your Ult, getting close to hit them with the 3 or buy shit like torment pulse/mystic shot/tesla bullet/toxic bullet

[wispy ingot]

Wee, setting up a deadlock role so I can ping for games, hopefully

[primal wolf]

I fear shiv is a bit too good to be just a ganker

[thorn lion]

didn't we already have a deadlock role?

[rich grove]

okay we do already have one

I'm confused

that may be why dyno is yelling at me

[winged terrace]

yeah there was already one set up

[rich grove]

bah

this is what I get

[magic summit]

LOL

[rich grove]

@_@

[wispy ingot]

Ah! My apologies thresh, there wasn't one in the listed ranks T^T

[rich grove]

b& forever

[primal wolf]

I feel so damn bad whenever I use the sand on anyone

6 seconds of no fun

[runic cedar]

<@&1277035919182008330> so uhhh anyone up for some gaming within the hour? (I just woke up and still have morning stuff to do so i cant show up rn but do start something without me)

[rich grove]

huh

you know I just realised something

is it... weird that laning in this game encourages you to back people up into their tower

instead of letting stuff come to you

[thorn lion]

how do you mean?

doesn't pushing up to their tower put you at a positional disadvantage

lowground + far away from relative safety of your guardian and shop

[wintry arrow]

shoving the wave to force down a tower for the money and map advantages that offers is not an uncommon trait in moba.

[thorn lion]

I mean yes

if you hardpush you damage the turret