Elden Ring (DLC hype room)

[languid tiger]

the ultimate fucking prank

[real shadow]

JUST ADD AN AC MECH ALREADY FROMSOFT

YOU COWARDS

[frozen olive]

show up for the second day boss fight and it's the Strider

[real shadow]

New nightlord drops: ||it's Nineball||

[frozen olive]

new raid and it ends with you having to climb the wall

the AC sized wall, completely unchanged, you just have to do it as a nightfarer

[real shadow]

I did run into the Augur last night via the bubble and what in the fuck is that all about

[frozen olive]

the raid?

it's wacky

[real shadow]

Yeah just this floating multicolored soap bubble outta nowhere

[frozen olive]

by far not the worst raid

as much as i love Gnoster the sentient pest raid sucks

[real shadow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Nightreign/comments/1l7gdtc/guide_how_to_get_typhoon_augur_achievement_trophy/ oh it can be replicated, neat

I didn't beat it since this was in that "my other two dudes left" run but good to know I can repeat it

[languid tiger]

that would go so hard it's unreal

the fucking size of that wall

it would be an entire goddamn game

[frozen olive]

yeah

i mean given how enormous it is i wouldn't be surprised if the wall map was about as big as limveld

[languid tiger]

i think the exterior of the wall is about as large as limveld

like, the fucking fields outside

[frozen olive]

Yeah

Easy to forget that The Wall and everything else in AC6 is enormous

Reminder

[frozen olive]

Lmao

[proven cloak]

tbf the Lands Between isn't as to scale as AC6

otherwise all its countries and implied travel time would be silly when its like. 2 villages, no farmland, and an hours walk

but its funny so idc

[languid tiger]

to-scale ER would go hard though

imagine what the fucking erdtree would look like

[frozen olive]

It would

[proven cloak]

2045 release date

[proven cloak]

ngl this is the part I'm most curious on about the movie

[frozen olive]

Add another like, 100 hours to my save to account for the obscene travel time

[languid tiger]

fucking moonscraping world tree

[proven cloak]

cause you gotta have it

both for branding and because its like. it should be visible from pretty much anywhere during the time period's they'll set it

[languid tiger]

i hope they make it so large that the top physically cannot be seen

just... distant boughs

[proven cloak]

I hope the characters don't mention or talk about it too much, but its presence is looming in the background of most outside scenes

omnipresent

maybe some lingering establishing shots that make it feel like its looming over the wherever it takes place

[languid tiger]

oh yeah

it needs to be The Background

[proven cloak]

but also, it glows right?

[languid tiger]

it does

[proven cloak]

sounds tough for night scenes

[languid tiger]

god

i wonder what the Seat of the Sun was

before the erdtree

[proven cloak]

have you seen the uhhh

zoomed out NR post-credits scene of the Lands Between

it's what got me going "good lord thats a Big Fucking Tree"

[languid tiger]

oh? don't think so

[proven cloak]

from Zlofsky

actually let me spoil that

that thing is huge!

[languid tiger]

the throne of the world...

[proven cloak]

not just a little bigger than the mountains around it

easily double their height!

this zoomed out look also makes it

a little easier to see a general shape to the lands between

hmm....

didn't expect circling around...

[proven cloak]

also because I'm evil

I want to see a rot / deathblight / frenzied coral thing if you ever mixed the settings

[languid tiger]

ough

[proven cloak]

could they even be frenzied? would they immediately burn?

[languid tiger]

frenzied coral...

[proven cloak]

who knows! but it would probably look sick as hell!

[languid tiger]

that would fuck so hard it's unreal

[proven cloak]

and they would get frenzied afaik, ||the coral-burning engines causes them pain, right?||

[languid tiger]

coral AC, the half-dissolved egos within spilling out of the frame as constantly screaming liquid fire

[proven cloak]

||and they're literally free-floating living consciousness||

[proven cloak]

& its a metaphor for the horrors of corporate imperialism

and the bodies technological systems are built on

[languid tiger]

a big attack or phase transition that's just faces in the flames wailing like hollow knight upsmash

i need this now

i want to see the fight that's like

the coral slowly losing coherency

and the frame becomes less machine and more Expression Of Frenzy

[proven cloak]

but maybe the way it acts is reversed

[languid tiger]

stops working like an AC and starts turning into a midra looking creature

[proven cloak]

the big coral mechs tend to be based on living creatures

so maybe it looks like a machine but acts like a suffering animal at first

[languid tiger]

oooh

[proven cloak]

and then starts acting more robotic as the egos burn away

[languid tiger]

oh that's also great

there's so fucking much you could do with this

[proven cloak]

but the actual mech turns less and less machine

[languid tiger]

yeah that rules

[real shadow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaUlXg9lgVg The collab of the century.

[languid tiger]

I'd also love to see the inverse

something like an MT army or moving structure like the strider being co-opted by the golden order

hollowed out like radagon

[frozen olive]

Rusty not doing a tierlist video for once lmao

[covert schooner]

Oh MAN

My friend just had a really funny idea

Pursuer but he only shows up when you’re on a spirit hawk

He crashes into you on his bird

[frozen olive]

Lmao

Pursuer but he can actually show up at ant time during an expedition if he shows up

Imagine you're fighting the nightlord and you see his stupid fucking bird fly in

"It's not looking good for the nightlord, those Nightfarers are co-ordinating well and have prepared efficiently for the fight, just look at- wait, what's this? Is that- IT'S THE PURSUER WITH A STEEL CHAIR!"

[feral linden]

Please
I wanna see my Goat

[old brook]

No, Night's Consort Radahn, need a third variant of those same greatswords

[languid tiger]

https://va.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_sftb5e1gM41zb0kwq_720.mp4

[frozen olive]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBHC3LZ55pI

[long bone]

||Caligos|| theme really slaps wow

[old brook]

The music is the most tempting thing about Nightreign I keep hearing that it's great

Lies of P has lovely records but the boss themes sort of ain't it

[charred crane]

I have killed the funny bugs

I don't feel good about it, I like the bugs

But I can't wait to squish that fuckass jellyfish

[frozen olive]

yeaaaah

Lies of P doesn't really have boss music that like, stands out so much

moreso ambiance

[plush cliff]

So uh. It turns out if you take the demon's deal to restore everyone's hp to full at the exact same time he disappears from the map, only you will have your hp restored

[warped quest]

so i have not payed attention to the tanrished edition at all until just this mometn

https://i.redd.it/w0r14f65ofse1.jpeg

look at that

[languid tiger]

lucatiel...

[frozen olive]

ngl i wasn't expecting fromsoft cosmetic armor dlc

[obtuse halo]

I got my Lucatiel cosplay fill in DS3 but Lucatiel…

(Ignoring that Elden Ring already has a Lucatiel and her name is Millicent)

[frozen olive]

https://youtube.com/shorts/DNBbjO4YuSM?si=3iR5j7Eh11zf-I85

lmaoooooo

i didn't realize he could fucking parry just like, any projectile

Radagon truly does not give a single shit

[languid tiger]

bro is not fucking around

"you think your hammer is cool? check out mine"

[cinder jay]

Whilst I can see some similarities, I found their two storylines to be quite different.

[obtuse halo]

Yeah I was being a little pithy on purpose there

[cinder jay]

The Lucatiel at home 😌

[plush cliff]

Trent

FoxKnight ↩️

[Reply to:](#1251763655578488872 message) https://i.redd.it/w0r14f65ofse1.jpeg 📎

[frozen olive]

Trent and Leonard

just a pair o regular dudes

[plush cliff]

Unrelated, we are continuing to suffer a series of severe skill issues against the final boss as Wylder

Not sure why tbh

[plush cliff]

Y’all have any tips for them?

[frozen olive]

unfortunately i don't

being the god gamer that i am

i played Revenant the first and thus far only time i fought The Nightlord

literally the singular thing i did the entire fight was spam discus of light from 30 meters away

i'm planning on beating the nightlord with all characters

but i haven't got to it yet

[proven cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/elden-ring-gif-25061411

I love this thing

[proven cloak]

besides holy? not as much

the attacks aren't too fast, but the lunges and sweeps cover a lot of area - just make sure you know who it's targeting with its lunges + dodge properly

and use the grapple to space out the wide sweeps

¯_(ツ)_/¯

usual Wylder gameplay of leaping in with grapple -> swinging a bit -> leaving & repeat still applies

holy really does fuck the boss up though

so a strong caster helps a lot

[frozen olive]

yeah

i was taking fucking chunks out of them even with a meager as fuck spell like Discus of Light

[plush cliff]

Use holy whenever possible and don’t get greedy, got it

[frozen olive]

👍

for all the bosses honestly my biggest tip is just using the thing they are weak to

it makes an incredible difference

[plush cliff]

…and the game just crashed. Annoying

[frozen olive]

😔

[plush cliff]

Okay so that’s one session where the session just broke, one where the game crashed and I could rejoin, then in that session someone dc’ed

The heck is going on right now

[arctic geyser]

||you have 2 options for dimension slash move, either get real close in the singular safe spot right beneath him, or do what I do, and run back far enough that the split ground cracks are far enough away they don't hit you, past that it's mainly a mechanical gate check where he's flat out easier than dark drift knight minus occasionally doing 180s or sudden sword slashes. The only nightfarers that would arguably struggle with him would be recluse/guardian or revenant when her summons get smacked. Recluse has the hardest job of casting spells while dodging, Guardian just has 0 dodge, and Revenant is Revenant||

||my biggest tip is to always bring consumable healing and burn as little healing as possible in the first phase, taking it as slow as needed||

[charred crane]

I have claimed victory from the funny jellyfish.

And I now have the final boss available to me. How thrilling

[plush cliff]

…okay is anyone else having weird connection issues with nightreign?

We’ve had at least two random disconnects for no reason today and it’s definitely not our internet

[ember isle]

@johnHolløw

[plush cliff]

Wylder remembrance spoilers:
||It is finally done! And gods that is such a great ending, living on as a new nightlord, never to know if he freed his sister or if he did all of this for nothing 😌 ||
||Well it's probably not great for him but it's a very fromsoft ending||

||Also our teammates were great, and they instantly knew what to do when running into the bell bearing hunter 😌 ||

||We already thought this before, but now we definitely think the Nightlord would be a much easier fight solo. Him being able to switch aggro constantly makes him very unpredictable||

[arctic geyser]

||switching aggro is like, the main problem of most non-knowledge check bosses yeh||

||they just 180 and smack you||

[cinder jay]

||Fromsoft tradition.||

[real shadow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HUe7JUs8_M

[arctic geyser]

"Accidentally"

[plush cliff]

It does seem to have been accidental

Also damn we should be using the cursed claws more often, that’s some good revival speed

[real shadow]

Insane revival speed honestly, same with the Cannon of Haima.

Very good chunky damage and useful splash damage.

[trim owl]

Revenant claws are unironically one of her best melee weapons

Also, glad to know I'm not crazy

I knew something strange was going on with the revive bar length

[frozen olive]

All my revenant claws for a godslayers greatsword

[vestal night]

so Ironeye and Wylder ult always revive at two bars or less

good to know

also I had assumed three bars was way longer, but not this much of a difference

[plush cliff]

Seems like it might not be worth bothering with rezzing people at three bars unless you’re revenant, guardian, or have cannon of haima
(Or there’s only one person down)

[trim owl]

during the day probably not, since they can just get their stuff back relatively easily

obviously different during the night

[arctic geyser]

Nice reasoning, unfortunately elden ring lets you be a furry and transform into a giant doggo and roar so loud it not only picks up allies but damages bosses

[trim owl]

does the executor ult also have a special interaction with the revive?

I noticed it also said "special" in the table

[vestal night]

dog form just has its own values for attacks

[frozen olive]

Revenant ult my beloved

[trim owl]

interesting that the transformation itself has a hit if I'm reading that right

[mighty warren]

It does

[trim owl]

A good takeaway is that the R2 will revive someone at 1 bar on its own I guess

[glossy delta]

Every so often I think
Executors perfect guard should just be his passive
And the skill activation is just the golden slash
Why does executor like
Have to choose between using his gear and using his mechanics

[languid tiger]

because both are 🅱️usted

[trim owl]

I was kinda let down that not everyone can deflect

would have settled for executor being able to deflect with any weapon though

[frozen olive]

by @Noru0217 on Twitter

real shit honestly

[vestal night]

feed your local doll more star shards

[ember isle]

Just spec for more fp??

Go ask the sugar goat to give you more mana

[plush cliff]

...and another game ended because of a dc. We swear there's something weird going on with the servers the past few days

[arctic geyser]

you technically aren't. With how the mechanic works, you actually can focus on damage dealing and then do swap to the weapon (counting as a parry) once you decide to defend instead

if you didn't have the parry built into the weapon swap, then it would more be deciding between the 2

the real issue isn't even that

the real issue is the relics being such a fuckin mess for executor that IMO for any damage build it isn't worth taking the nightfarer passives

roaring restores HP? ok good for free damage which does less than your r1/r2, but it doesn't apply elsewhere
health boost on using weapon mechanic so it glows? works for block builds but damage requires not using the weapon
increased sword damage for hp cost? okay now it's good but it still gets outdamaged from main dual katanas so like, again, missing good offense build synergy?

don't get me wrong my best tank build was basically

boost hp on block, unlocking sword gets hp, and boosting damage on swings for HP

then just boosting w/e else and like, almost never using main weap

but the issue is

tank build still needs to draw aggro and Idk if adding the guard passive is enough to properly draw aggro

like sure it's cool I can basically go "lol parry" when a boss turns to me

but the thing is

I don't need any relic passives to do that?

Like honestly for any tank build on exec you should be maxing runes + applying statuses to team

And then you hit assumingly lvl 14-15ish with the 30% increase in runes and then max out on like, damage buff/resist consumables

Then take ult charge for 2 relics + exec roar hp regen passive for the 3rd

[proven cloak]

oh wow, thats

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2du7TIEqC0

thats not even just branches kinda-shaped like hands

thats literal, actually just hands with branches on top

[kind garden]

Servers blew up

[ember isle]

https://tenor.com/view/knight-solar-praise-the-sun-gif-5316154

[plush cliff]

Oh so it's not just us

Lunatic Blue ↩️

[Reply to:](#1251763655578488872 message) Servers blew up

[arctic geyser]

deja vu

[dusky harbor]

What a trustworthy and friendly individual, I wonder what bargains he can provide

[plush cliff]

(Hopefully the server maintenance tomorrow will fix it)

Rose (It/Its) | The Labrynth Doll ↩️

[Reply to:](#1251763655578488872 message) Oh so it's not just us 📎

[ember isle]

@johnHolløw

[real shadow]

https://fxbsky.app/profile/lordoreo.bsky.social/post/3lruef2skzk2u

lordoreo (@lordoreo.bsky.social)

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FxBluesky · Jun 18, 2025, 6:17 AM

[plush cliff]

Oh so it wasn’t just our bad computer
https://en.bandainamcoent.eu/elden-ring/news/elden-ring-nightreign-patch-notes-version-1013

[glossy delta]

Oh huh!

[trim owl]

I hope they fix the stutter when you use restage

[gray leaf]

Are there martial arts in Nightreign like there are in SotE?

[trim owl]

afaik, no, there's only regular fist weapons

[glossy delta]

Yeee, the Shadows weapons didn't port over to nightreign

[real shadow]

Not yet, anyway. Could be a DLC option.

[old brook]

this feels like a strange game for dlc, like it should be getting free updates or somethin

[glossy delta]

Speakin of free updates: https://www.bandainamcoent.com/news/elden-ring-nightreign-the-everdark-sovereigns-have-emerged

The challenge mode version of Gaping Jaw is live

[glossy delta]

Apparently the active 'everdark sovereign' will rotate weekly, and beating them will give currency for fancy relics

[mighty warren]

Just as a note, first time clear (presumably every week) gives more of the currency than repeat clears

also, guardian buds
careful grabbing one of the artifacts, it's literally the same as the basic just inverse order

[green acorn]

This game sometimes infuriates me

[arctic geyser]

Adel?

Buffed?

And they think that'll stop me from killing him 10 times?

I may be bad at many things but killing Adel is not one of them

[proven cloak]

dw I can pick up the slack in that department trust

[frozen olive]

i am not good at Adel

[old brook]

PCR remains the worst boss they've ever made by golly

[frozen olive]

PCR my beloved

[old brook]

Poor fella wishes he was 1/10th the Boss At His Prime that is SwordSaint

[frozen olive]

eh, idk, i think he holds his own

he's certainly the coolest boss in the dlc if nothing else

[old brook]

/gestures emphatically at Messmer, Midra, hell just the visual and wonder of Metyr

[frozen olive]

this is an insane take also on reread

[old brook]

do wish Midra had a skosh more HP, make 'em feel This Is A Threat To The World'

[old brook]

the worst DLC superboss, then

[frozen olive]

what is his competition

[old brook]

Gael, Orphan... I can't decide if Sir Alonne counts exactly it's not a set-in-stone cliche

[frozen olive]

i just can't see PCR as being the worst out of these options

[old brook]

Alonne is getting some adjusted points for being well ancient and having the coolest boss room

Just the best Knight Guy in Fight Knight Guys Game

[frozen olive]

admittedly i think Alonne sucks so i don't really have much to say about him

also PCR under Orphan...

[old brook]

PCR is -flashier-, sure

[frozen olive]

PCR is more fun and dynamic imo

i also don't think there is any boss that can claim the title of superboss over him

[old brook]

what's dynamic

waiting to get your one swing in between his hour long combos, the roomwide aoe spamming, the shadow clone jutsu picking targets at random

his One Mohg Move

getting the same swords we'd already gotten, the same outfit we'd already gotten, just

woof

good theme remix though

[frozen olive]

Orphan does like two moves and banks on being fast and that's basically it

i think Orphan is cool but it doesn't do all that much

[old brook]

It's like an oldgod built a Hunter out of spite

Radahn Phase 1 is just Radahn But Horseless, and then Phase 2 is that with a laser attached to every move

the coolest thing about that fight is the instant-kill hug

because it's remotely relevant to the power and story we'd been told about Miq

[frozen olive]

it is Radahn so i would be surprised if he didn't fight like him. The lasers are maybe a bit much but it echoes Twin Princes in a way i really like and makes you engage with dodging attacks and movement in the fight in a different way

rather do enjoy him being able to use blood incantations due to the Mohg thing, plus it's not super intrusive to the actual fight since iirc it doesn't really combo into anything

the hug is pretty sweet

it's cool that you can also negate it if you are aware of the moveset and find a good opening

[old brook]

if this amounted to more than 'dodgeroll to the front/left' maybe, it's all just panic-roll and backing off punishment, skidding forward every sweep, guess he's just glad to have feet again

[frozen olive]

The boss theme andarena also hella elevated the fight for me

[old brook]

but i don't think 1/2 of the final boss in the game being something we've already seen is like a bonus point

and the arena is so ugly that one i do not understand

the gate looks neat everything else is beige sludge

[frozen olive]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[frozen olive]

It's the same guy, i don't blame Isshin for using ichimonji double just cause i used it

[old brook]

it's the first fight with Isshin

[cinder jay]

Oh Radahn? Think the main issue I have with that fight is that it's in a game with shields, whilst the flashiness of the moveset is a bit more suited to a more aggressive player style.

[frozen olive]

Idk that it makes the boss better but it certainly isn't a negative

[cinder jay]

Point of comparison probably being Orphan of Kos. Still, fun boss fight.

[frozen olive]

I couldn't compare Orphan personally to PCR

It'd have to be some other big boss like Gael or smthn

[cinder jay]

Point of comparison being two aggressive boss fights, but differences in player options alter how you approach either.

[frozen olive]

Mmmm ic ic

I suppose you're not wrong

[cinder jay]

And I think personally that the style Fromsoft has leaned on increasingly with time is one which puts shields in an awkward position design wise.

But the fights are still fun.

[frozen olive]

I used a shield to survive some moves pcr has

Mainly the holy nuke

[cinder jay]

Yup, and an early strat was to put on the biggest, most buffed greatshield available to deal with him. When I say awkward I don't mean that it's without use, but rather that the play-style a shield encourages is one that seemingly runs counter to how Fromsoft have increasingly designed their boss battles.

[frozen olive]

Mhm

I used it as a secondary utility to complement my greatsword

[old brook]

That's still basically 'the best strat'

[frozen olive]

So it didn't get in the way much

[old brook]

Because he gives you roughly 1-2 seconds of response time in between his 8 hit combos

Dodging is such a slog

[frozen olive]

Mainly used iirc golden order seal and FKGS

[cinder jay]

But yeah, he's a fine fight and probably around number 7 for me of the DLC bosses.

[frozen olive]

Hit him with Scarlet Aeonia

[old brook]

I've done it with a golden parry shield and just spellsword dodging

and either time is just

the least fun in the DLC

Scarlet Aeonia that gets removed when he hits phase 2* because*

and you'll tank at least one hit while casting

[frozen olive]

Nope

Didn't get hit during two of the three casts i used

One of which was in phase 2

[old brook]

it's literally how i killed him the first time and it doesn't make it any more of a fun fight lmao

[cinder jay]

I wouldn't mind more Rellanas and Messmers, but that's due to enjoying the peer v. peer style fights in Fromsoft the most (similar to the Hunter bosses in Bloodborne).

[old brook]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[frozen olive]

Fair

[old brook]

He's sitting square in the middle of Giant Thing Eating Your Camera and Guy with Big Swords and it's just a real pain

and then the brotherly antics

[frozen olive]

I have some weird opinions but i do like pcr prolly most

[cinder jay]

As for Radahn, I think he becomes better the more accustomed you are since the core issue for many IME is that the flashiness of the moveset makes it difficult for folk to feel the rhythm of the fight.

[frozen olive]

I still think Genichiro is the best Sekiro boss

[cinder jay]

And when you can't feel the rhythm, it can give a fight a more discordant feeling.

[frozen olive]

Still disappointed by Orphan and NK for being overhyped in terms of difficulty

[old brook]

part of my problem with this is that quests encourage a summon on this boss and that makes the targetting for some phase 2 stuff absolute fucking clownshoes

[cinder jay]

Accentuated by the fact that one of the easier approaches subsequently was to brute force it with a greatshield + poke feel.

[old brook]

also this is largely Internet Hype Problems and the order you ran through the games i think

[cinder jay]

Did you fight them when they came out, or?

If you're coming from later games they'll be rather easy in comparison, due to the arms race Fromsoft is in with their fanbase regarding superbosses.

[old brook]

NK still has the most stirring cutscene imo

[frozen olive]

Prolly yeah

[old brook]

something about the phase 2 transition just gets me

[frozen olive]

Mhm

[old brook]

he's so sad about him bird

and it was just so Out Of The Blue

[cinder jay]

Think Orphan of Kos took me about a weekend to beat the first time around, but this was when Bloodborne was on the newer end.

[old brook]

i figure having everyone online screaming about how the's the Biggest Coolest Toughest would set expectations oddly

[cinder jay]

And I do think the experience is worsened to some extent by coming from later games into it, due to the ironically lower tempo.

[old brook]

We'd never seen a thing like Orphan before

[cinder jay]

I mean we kinda had with Manus.

It was in the tradition from there.

Amped up definitely, but still.

[old brook]

I also just mean in terms of like.. I dunno. Tonally, kind of. Though Manus was similarly wrathful i s'pose

[ember isle]

Midra

[old brook]

the waltzing spins, the OST, the Cut to Black

THE DEPTHS OF YOUR FOOLISHNESS

If PCR added a single droplet of characterization to the big man I'd be more for it

But it's the same oxen grunting of the mindless variant

[frozen olive]

I would have loved for him to have lines

I don't care for the midra fight but the vibes, lore and music are immaculate

I still think Bayle is prolly second best or best

[old brook]

A lot of people dislike Bayle and I'm floored, best dragon we've fought

[frozen olive]

Bayle is peak

I don't know how you could dislike him

Well i say that but i fucking despise Midir and my friend says that's a good fight

[old brook]

Well Igon gets a pass on that

Midir is... almost.. almost a good fight

[frozen olive]

?

[cinder jay]

There are definitely some parallels between the structure and themes of the Artorias DLC and Old Hunters, both dealing with parts of the world those in power would rather we forget.

[frozen olive]

Igon is unmatched tbh

One of my top npc's in any from game

[cinder jay]

Fromsoft loves their recurring themes; it's in part why I consider them rather traditional.

[frozen olive]

Also Bayle aesthetically is easily unmatched

[old brook]

( hating Bayle, t'was a sillyjoke )

[frozen olive]

Unless Demon Souls has some next level dragon boss then it's not even close, Bayle is the best

[cinder jay]

Demon's Souls does have the Dragon God.

Admittedly I find Bayle's own design a tad bit dull, but it works for the cheesiness of the event and is something where I understand its popularity.

[frozen olive]

Dull in what way?

[cinder jay]

In essence it's effectively The Dragon Devil, embodying the classic fantasy tropes rather than challenging them. I do think it works for what the storyline asks of the boss, but it's not to me the most exciting design in and of itself.

[old brook]

I like his stockiness in answer to Placid's Goosenecked Majesty

also a hell of an answer to 'where'd those heads get to'

[feral linden]

Gotta love the devil dragon

[languid tiger]

i'm a fan of bayle's execution of the draco-satan

[cinder jay]

I think my personal biggest surprise with regards to the design is the lack of a giant harpoon sticking through its body.

They've done it before in Dark Souls 2, and whilst the maimed leg makes sense still I would have kinda expected Bayle to have a harpoon through him too.

That and the Moby Dick parallel.

[feral linden]

Oh god ill have to fight this damn thing later

Im paying for gavlan"s retirement package with all the moss im about to buy from him

[light bridge]

Not Gael, that'd be Midir

And Midir and PCR are very close on being insufferable superbosses

Tho I prefer Midir's violins, so that's an extra for him

[glossy delta]

I just don't like PCR narratively 💀

[cinder jay]

I think you can argue it's Gael rather than Midir, by virtue of these superbosses oft also being the crescendo of the story as well rather than optional encounters, but yeah Midir and Gael are weird that way so I can accept the argument either way.

[feral linden]

Its such a funny abbreviation

[light bridge]

I think narratively it's fine if a bit boring. I just dislike the fight for the moveset

[cinder jay]

I meant more that narratively speaking fighting Midir isn't really necessary to reach the end of the dlc so to speak, which differs from the others.

But I'm including Manus and Freya in this particular tradition as well personally speaking.

[light bridge]

I meant PCR. With Midir I agree, i just put him as the equivalent to PCR because of the unsurmountable amount of hp

[cinder jay]

The more poignant point, of not vibing with Midir, I agree on. Large, lanky bosses aren't really what the moveset of soulsborne games are equipped to deal with.

[light bridge]

And the two hit kills

And the large AOEs

[glossy delta]

They'll be carrying me into my hearse and one of the pallbearers will swear on their life they heard 'it should have been godwin....' from within the casket

Wait wrong name- there we go

[frozen olive]

It was never going to be Godwyn

[glossy delta]

We've had this conversation before, I Do Not Care

[cinder jay]

Y'know what soulsborne dragon I respect the design of? This guy

[light bridge]

I'd have loved Godwyn but I think I'd have liked it less than PCR narratively unless very well done

[cinder jay]

Never had any issues with hitting the body of Gaping Dragon.

[frozen olive]

Gaping Dragon is fun

[light bridge]

You know what boss I think I liked the most in the dlc?

Midra

[frozen olive]

I probably would have just left it at that if it was him tbh

[light bridge]

Midra has an excellent rhythm, perfect music, it's thematically fantastic, and doesn't hurt my eyes most of the time

[frozen olive]

Madness combat

[cinder jay]

Thought for a second that you wrote Midir and had to do a double take haha

[vestal night]

I agree tbh
Would have been a lot more interesting

[cinder jay]

But yeah, I do think soulsborne bosses are at their best personally when there is a rhythm to the fight. This subsequently is why I generally prefer peer-ish fights.

[light bridge]

I had to fight Midir at Ng2+ and I hated it. You won't catch me ever speaking good of Midir (except for his music)

[frozen olive]

i fought him normally and it was shit

[light bridge]

Now give him 50% extra hp

[frozen olive]

it was extra awful for me cause i was maining the shit out of Onyx Blade

and Midir did not give a shit about me swinging Onyx Blade at it

[cinder jay]

Gehrman was for example my favourite Bloodborne fight in large part because at a certain point you end up dodging in sync with him.

[plush cliff]

Midir our beloathed

[frozen olive]

Gehrman is cool

[cinder jay]

The worst soulsborne fights meanwhile are when you're fighting the camera or being plain capable of hitting your enemy.

[frozen olive]

Lady Maria or Gehrman is prolly my fav

[plush cliff]

The two times we’ve killed him were cheesing him with pestilent mercury and a faith build with lightning arrow

[light bridge]

Midir has an average resistance of 60% to every damage. On top, he iirc has a layer of damage reduction that halves every damage but lighting. So he has practically four times as much hp as it looks unless you are using lighting

[plush cliff]

He takes full damage to the head

[cinder jay]

You see this gap here? This is like 70% of my issue with large boss fights.

[frozen olive]

i respecced so i could use Lightning to fucking kill that rat bastard

if i never have to fight Darkeater Midir again it'll be too soon

[light bridge]

Because the head doubles damage, so it just does normal damage!

[frozen olive]

also Demon Princes

[light bridge]

It makes me so mad

[frozen olive]

never going to replay the DLC

purely because of those two fights

[plush cliff]

Consider: Gael

[frozen olive]

yeah that is true

[light bridge]

Like, I get it. The last pure blooded living dragon ever. A creature of incredible power that has fought the deep for eons. But it's so boring to fight

[frozen olive]

but i installed a mod that lets you re-fight bosses last time i wanted to fight Gael

[cinder jay]

Gael was a fun fight. Not quite on the level of my favourites of the series, but up there.

[light bridge]

Gael is my favourite next to the base game final boss

[languid tiger]

i'm not actually sure i have a favorite ds3 boss

[glossy delta]

FR
Someone we haven't seen fight before
Someone who was foreshadowed as coming back more in the base game
Someone Miquella was stated to have cared about earlier than the brief cutscene you get after beating the boss
It would have been peam....

[languid tiger]

champion gundyr, maybe, but i always just parried him to death

godwyn was never foreshadowed as coming back in any form other than fucked up death god tbh

[glossy delta]

Dragonslayer Armor for me
Just by vibes and style
I am a Duel Boss Liker and Dragonslayer Armor is really cool

[light bridge]

I usually murk the dragonslayer too fast to really enjoy it

[languid tiger]

it's kind of a chump loser, yeah

good visual design, at least

[light bridge]

And the fake riposte is very cool

[languid tiger]

love the executioner's axe

[light bridge]

I learned to play against them in pvp because SO MANY PEOPLE used it

It's very fun actually

[glossy delta]

A boss doesn't have to be tough to be my fave
Godfrey/Hoarah Loux is another example of this

[languid tiger]

poor godfrey

extremely intimidating day 1

(although he was never actually super hard, he looked like he was going to be)

and now he just gets his dick kicked in by everything

bro needed more hp

[light bridge]

I think

Godfrey pre transition is harder than Horah Loux

Because of the global step damage

[languid tiger]

hm

godfrey's axe isn't very difficult to dodge, though, and hoarah loux has a couple slight mix-ups

[light bridge]

Oh the axe is very easy, the stomps aren't

[languid tiger]

fair

the stomps are kind of his only claim to fame

in terms of actual threat

[light bridge]

Yeah

[languid tiger]

this is an excellent segue to

https://www.nexusmods.com/eldenring/mods/7198

inner godfrey

[frozen olive]

it's why i don't like the idea of him coming back in the dlc instead of Radahn

the whole point of his story is that he is super dead and what he left behind is a creeping horror that nobody seems to be paying enough attention to

[languid tiger]

ye

[frozen olive]

he's not just dead like all the other people you kill, he's super dead

soul-killed his ass

[light bridge]

TBH we have a bit of story about the people on Sol Castle trying to bring him back with the eclipse and miquella

But it's never built upon

Or developed

In any way

[vestal night]

Sure
Still would have been way more interesting than Radahn (again) though

[languid tiger]

the eclipse shotel is also a deathblight weapon

so it obviously uh

didn't exactly go in any way other than More Undeath

[glossy delta]

Okay aieeee here we go again
The Castle Sol stuff definitely implies that Miquella was actively seeking a way to revive him
That didn't work, but a separate method of resurrection is shown in Shadows
Meanwhile, Fia's quest keeps hyping up an eventual return of the Prince Of Death
His fucked up dead soul getting called into Mohg's body would have been sick
And nothing about Destined Death actually says 'no there's definitely no way to revive anyone who gets killed by this, ever'
The game just does not say that

[light bridge]

Fia's quest is about letting him truly die tbh

In a weird way that brings more death, but he's granted his rest

[cinder jay]

He became a tree!

Like in all the other games.

There are three things I know Miyazaki likes; Trees, hands, and feet.

[frozen olive]

i don't agree on the basis that if it was the Miquella and him being lord consort, we wouldn't have gotten any weird undeath fish monster shit

since that has nothing to do with his soul

and everything to do with his undying body

[light bridge]

I'm the undead club fanboy and would have loved this

BUT

I don't think it was easy to achieve

[languid tiger]

and also, importantly, i think the problem is also that like

we just didn't get anything Of Radahn either?

[light bridge]

In a satisfying way, at least

[languid tiger]

just the people related

and i can't imagine that we would have gotten more Of Godwyn if he was in the same position

we'd just see people related to him

[cinder jay]

Mm, part of the point with the golden son is that you don't really fight him. He's the classic romanticist move of being hinted at in his past splendour to evoke a sense of wonder and imagination.

Though the dragon fight that takes his place did feel a tad bit random ;p.

T'was a fun fight though, so I'm not complaining.

[languid tiger]

which i think is a problem of the dlc not being even more massive than it already is

to fit more stuff in it

[frozen olive]

it's tied i think to him being a like, liason to the dragons

and that dragon in particular being mega loyal to him

[light bridge]

The gay dragon

[frozen olive]

unto even trying to take his place in death

which did not work for obvious reasons

[cinder jay]

The bad dragon

[languid tiger]

yeah that dude fucked his dragon buddy

godwyn is 100% a dragonfucker

[frozen olive]

Godwyn canonical dragon sex haver

[languid tiger]

no that's vyke

godwyn is an implied dragon sex haver

[frozen olive]

oh yeah

fair

[light bridge]

Vyke got a dragon baddie gf

[languid tiger]

vyke's is just canon

[cinder jay]

It works out fine, but I do wonder how many people approached the area and expected the boss they'd fight there to be a dragon.

[frozen olive]

mhm

[cinder jay]

Most of the justification I remember was in the aftermath moreso.

[languid tiger]

fuckin "most beloved of lansseaux"

or wait it's lannseax

[cinder jay]

Vyke is the character done the dirtiest in the game 😔

[languid tiger]

yeah...

god

[cinder jay]

Could have been a peer fight.

Which again, are the best.

[languid tiger]

i already want the Elden Ring Remaster that's just

[frozen olive]

Vykes spear fucking rules

[cinder jay]

Give me a Vyke fight akin to Rellana.

[frozen olive]

as does his armor

[languid tiger]

ER but 100000000% more work hours put into the side bosses

[cinder jay]

As does the character

[frozen olive]

and yeah Vyke should have been a bigger deal

[languid tiger]

fuck yeah

[frozen olive]

iirc he was the closest to Elden Lord aside from like, former Elden Lord Godfrey

[languid tiger]

yep

[cinder jay]

Look, I'd trade Volcano Manor for a Vyke fight.

[languid tiger]

he was the only Tarnished who'd ever gathered enough great runes before you

to go far enough

[frozen olive]

FROM SOFTWARE, GIVE ME A PROPER VYKE FIGHT, AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[cinder jay]

Vyke but as a DLC character

[languid tiger]

OH SHIT

NIGHTREIGN VYKE

[light bridge]

Nightrein guardian Vyke

[languid tiger]

what would his epithet be

dunno anything modest enough

all of his plausible titles go too hard

[cinder jay]

I was more thinking about the needle lol.

[frozen olive]

Dragonspear Vyke

[light bridge]

You know

I do not have nightrein

But I think Adel sucks as a boss

Just watching it

[frozen olive]

i don't love Adel

not my favourite fight by far

[cinder jay]

Is your favourite the bell bearing hunter?

Bellbearing hunter is so darn funny to me, because even though the fight can be tough the most memorable part of him to me is how overstatted he can feel.

[frozen olive]

https://tenor.com/view/bell-bearing-hunter-gif-27245555

[cinder jay]

Largely due to his Dragonbarrow appearance admittedly, though the discrepancy seems to have carried over into Nightreign.

[light bridge]

The dragonbarrow bell hunter is hilarious

[languid tiger]

i always do dragonbarrow hunter immediately

so i've gotten

[light bridge]

I like the fight but is so overtunned

[languid tiger]

very, very used to parrying him

[light bridge]

I engage in parrying as exclusively a pvp activity

[languid tiger]

in pvp i just roll and use mixups lmao

[glossy delta]

I historically have a very hard time actually getting the hunter to spawn

[languid tiger]

he has very consistent demands

be night time

rest at grace after you're there

[glossy delta]

I don't think I've fought him one time without going out of my way to do so
Which rather defeats his intended point I think

[languid tiger]

if you die and move to night

you have to rest again

[cinder jay]

Indeed. It's also probably the most random bit of overtuning in the game to me, since you enter Dragonbarrow normally by making a short jump early on in Caelid.

And suddenly the exact same guard enemies you fought before now have a ton more hp and damage.

[cinder jay]

And yeah, that's an overall big issue with his design.

[glossy delta]

The dragon arrow caelid divide is so funny yeah
Cuz it doesn't actually look like A Different Region
It's still just caelid

[languid tiger]

Caelid But Evil

[cinder jay]

Have talked about it before but the way he's integrated into the game defeats his intended purpose of being this pursuer intent on killing you. I do like the sudden ambush fights that he and Margit provide, but they could be a little more aggressive in spawning them in.

[languid tiger]

you walk into hell and go "wow, this fucking sucks" and then you trip over a rock and everything is tinted slightly redder

and after several continuous minutes of cock and ball torture you realize you've entered double hell

[cinder jay]

The Mexico filter...

Caelid is weird in retrospect. I think the best experience with it is ironically the trap chest that teleports you to it.

[glossy delta]

I always took his vibe as less of a pursuer of you specifically and more like, a bandit
He spawns when you're trying to go visit a merchant, he's the bell bearing hunter
He likes robbing merchants

[light bridge]

Yeah

He's the bell bearing hunter because he targets merchants

He appears next to a merchant every time for that reason

[glossy delta]

It's funny- i love arcane but have never touched his sword
I always gravitate towards the Regalia instead for a non status sidearm

[light bridge]

I ran his weapon once through the whole game

It was very fun

[glossy delta]

Str Arc is a weird place to build but I should try it one of these days
Dex Arc tho....... Bloody Helice my beloved

Now that I'm playing nightreign every so often I'll find one and drop it for our Executor, and they'll
Avoid it??
Unimaginable

[languid tiger]

bwuh

but bloody helice is so fucking cracked

it's like

the one sword that i consistently use

well, that and moonlight

[glossy delta]

They probably want a katana but
God
Dynasts finesse

Insane I frames, heavy stagger, three hits for bleed
Admittedly, I do get hit a lot out of hubris trying to land all three
The first thrust then a dodge is usually smarter

[plush cliff]

The dlc added sons pretty fun str/arc weapons

Namoeleon (ping me about D&D 4e) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1251763655578488872 message) Str Arc is a weird place to build but I should try it one of these days
Dex Arc tho....... Bloody H…

[glossy delta]

Ooooh yeah right, blood fiends arm

[plush cliff]

And the putrescence cleaver! And ancient meteoric greatsword!

And flowerstone gavel and bloodfiend’s fork apparently

[languid tiger]

i thought flowerstone gavel was dex primary

wack

[plush cliff]

It has center of disease control cdc scaling in str/dex/arc at max upgrade

[languid tiger]

good to know

still gotta get around to my flower gavel run

[cinder jay]

Did they ever fix the double hit effect for it?

[plush cliff]

They did yeah

In one of the first patches we believe

[cinder jay]

Aw

[plush cliff]

Kinda funny that the dlc with the Radahn final boss launched with a weapon that was glitched to do double damage

[frozen olive]

fought Super Adel, got got 😔

bro did not ||give a shit about poison, straight up firmed it||

we died to a ||giant fuck off arena wide AoE that you're supposed to survive by using spirit springs to jump into a cage match with Adel||

[frozen olive]

is Adel particularly weak to anything but poison

[mighty warren]

When in doubt , bleed, frostbite, fire

(he does notably have a weakness to frostbite if that helps any, fire is only gonna be for resetting though)

Also weak to scarlet rot and
... sleep of all things

as for non statuses, nothing is too low, minor fire res and a lot of lightning res, everything else is neutral

[frozen olive]

Right

Gonna have to fight for this W

[mighty warren]

I admittedly wish i could offer more advice but between my runs it was mostly acting off of instinct as a guardian

[plush cliff]

Given how grab happy Adel 2.0 is, guardian sounds like hell

[mighty warren]

You'd think but i've gotten decent at avoiding them

and worst case i just eat the grab for someone else and they free me

[frozen olive]

dogshit gaming

we did not win

[plush cliff]

Revenant.relic

[frozen olive]

LMAOOOOO

fucking incredible success

[frozen olive]

my friend playing ironeye was massively underleveled and i was running exclusively fire and lightning spells which are weak as hell against Adel

[kind garden]

Is Night’s Idol immune to Restage or something

[frozen olive]

also the whole party was kinda underleveled due to poor management

we got past halfway health which is still not horrible

[plush cliff]

You can now fix this 😌

Rose (It/Its) | The Labrynth Doll ↩️

[Reply to:](#1251763655578488872 message) Oh come on game why does it have to be the dark and dreary version of the roundtable hold 📎

[frozen olive]

you can cheese it with Wylders grappling if you want an easy win

[frozen olive]

how?

[plush cliff]

With a one time payment of one sovereign seal at the signboard

[frozen olive]

nice

how much is it?

[plush cliff]

One sovereign seal

[frozen olive]

woah

sick

[plush cliff]

And then you can switch whenever

[frozen olive]

oh that is excellent

[plush cliff]

Also you can swap between the cracked witch's broach and the witch's broach (which are the guardian's final remembrance reward) for three sovereign seals
There is literally no reason to do this but you can

[frozen olive]

does that uh

do anything?

[plush cliff]

No

[frozen olive]

GREAT SUCCESS

now that is TRULY epic

[plush cliff]

The only thing that changes is the relic's icon

Presumably so you can pretend that you did not ||kill the recluse in cold blood||

[frozen olive]

damn

wait what actually happens if you ||kill recluse||

that sounds like it would be sort of important to ||the fact that she is a playable character||

[plush cliff]

||We don't know other than you get the cracked witch's broach||

...brooch Rose, not broach

[frozen olive]

oh, just checked, ||apparently you don't kill Recluse? but her Brooch is broken and it's like, a sign of you not forgiving her i guess||

[kind garden]

Unlocked the Revenant finally

I can confirm that Restage deadass just doesn’t work on her

[frozen olive]

Revenant gaming

[kind garden]

Which is frustrating

I’m not even gonna play this character tbh I’m like

Maining Ironeye and Guardian

[obtuse halo]

I still haven't picked this up but Ironeye and Duchess continue to call to me

I was already gay as hell for duchess but then I saw she had the cool bloodborne dash-dodges and cartwheels instead of awkward somersaults like most characters, and like. goddamn it's illegal how cool she is

[frozen olive]

i love Revenant

i think i need to play someone else for fighting Adel though

cause i have never gotten anything but fire or lightning incantations

and they are just

useless against Adel

[kind garden]

Executor

Become the pro Genji player in your heart

[old brook]

Executor is such an odd alignment of aesthetics and whatall

The Crucible doesn't scream parrylord to me but it's neat

[plush cliff]

He saw how vulnerable everyone else was to parrying and decided to do something about it

[sour sable]

how's the seamless coop in elden ring these day/how's it work in general

[languid tiger]

it's very very good

i have done ERSC with a friend for both basegame and later SotE

worked okay for basegame because we played it in a beta stage, and was basically pristine for dlc

[arctic geyser]

got enhanced adel down to 20% on first try

unfortunately

enhanced adel can 1-shot lvl 15

which is a bit frustrating because that's a direct nerf to solo players

if he wasn't a cheating fuck then I probably would have 1-tried him

[cinder jay]

Have had a few bugs but only one actual bad one in the base game which caused a soft-lock (and was fixable through a cheat engine).

Overall it's very good yeah.

Genuinely so much better than the co-op experience of the base game for a variety of reasons.

[plush cliff]

...okay it seems like the enhanced bosses drop a hell of a lot less sovereign seals after the first fight of the week

We only got 5 on our second clear 🫠

Hey do y'all think this is enough starlight shards (Revenant remembrance relic spoilers)

||Honestly starting to wonder if the remembrance relic is worth it on revenant, expending what little HP you have is less than ideal||

[vestal night]

triple starlight shards is pretty funny as a relic

[plush cliff]

It's basically fromsoft going "okay we know none of your allies are gonna let you open up mage towers so have six starlights on us"

[arctic geyser]

and of course

the devs break the fucking 2nd night AGAIN

so not only is it broken in the normal way

where you have to run to the circle as a solo player because it defeats you when you're outside the circle for 0 reason

but then if you don't clear the enemies quick enough, it spawns in the boss anyways

if it was like in MP where you don't get wiped for being outside the zone

or the enemies didn't bullshit you and spawn in before you killed the starting circle enemies

it wouldn't be so frustrating

[kind garden]

nah you get wiped in MP too

happened to me last run

got instakilled for being in the wrong place

[plush cliff]

Oh that was already a thing

Reverb-MSG4RF- ↩️

[Reply to:](#1251763655578488872 message) but then if you don't clear the enemies quick enough, it spawns in the boss anyways

(We learned this when we and our team made some very poor decisions)

[arctic geyser]

neither of those have ever happened in MP to me

and I've taken double the time

but tbf on the wiping

it might be some weird aggro thing

where if you don't have aggro it doesn't count or something

[arctic geyser]

HAH

eat shit

Idc if you one shot me 4 times, I planned for it

to be fair

I also just got tired of running and eventually just parried his big aoe angy boi move

[plush cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/va-proxy-nuke-parry-nuke-parry-gif-5175806282231122199

[arctic geyser]

yeah that one

I knew you could dodge it if you timed it correctly

I still am not 100% sure how to full parry the one where enhanced adel teleports

I can parry the normal lighting strikes but get hit by the big part

[mighty warren]

it took
so
much
gamba
but ive done it, im happy

[plush cliff]

...huh. We just realized that cured meats are just flat out not in this game. Which is a bit odd given there is a relic effect that specifically mentions them

[arctic geyser]

Cured meats are the uhh

Boost defense/atk consumables IIRC

[real shadow]

Boiled prawn and the like.

[plush cliff]

Ahh

Side note, are any of the executor character relic effects good?

[vestal night]

I assume Exalted Flesh and the Prawn counts for that

[arctic geyser]

Wdym by "good"?

[plush cliff]

Worth using

[arctic geyser]

Yes, all of them, none of them are optimal tho

In SP they have arguably stronger use case

But even then it's debatable

[plush cliff]

[arctic geyser]

Game is centered around offense meta due to speed outside of night boss fights and post night 2 map clearing (via 2 minute timer)

Cursed sword relics might give okayish damage but for w/e reason you can't easily stack effects onto it

Best you can do is walk meta (vampire survivors build) or seppuku stab cleanse debuffs (one-shot meta) but issue is arguably speaking status meta is still stronger than one shot meta

However

If you ignore time constraint, infinite sustain beats better damage

So then skill art becomes meta

Roar HP heal on Exec ult is like

The mehest meh passive to ever meh

Roar is best on AOE or Rezzes which like

Doesn't matter that much in 1v1 boss fight

Most bosses will stagger you anyways in ult, or you'll do so much damage with light attack swipes that roar isn't worth it

[plush cliff]

…so what is exec ult good for?

[arctic geyser]

Free self heal + damage output

Oh and rezzes ofc

But because you already get self heal on transformation

The roar doing a heal is mainly if youre still suffering damage but like

In optimal situation, that damage is fine cause you can just un-transform and heal which if youre using ult for damage, you theoretically aren't worried about the heals anyways

Unless you do in which case roar is just free damage for the most part

Now that being said

Exec on-guard rank build is gr8 when you exclude timer

So you can safely ignore roar and replace the singular passive slot with something else

EG more charge gain on block, or more HP gain on block, or Katana weapon buff, or just raw vigor

On the flipside

In MP you might struggle to keep aggro

And Idk enough about how aggro generation to know how many slots you need to dedicate "gen aggro on guard" to

But if you do that

Then theoretically you're running tank/1v1 build

And that beats everything else in MP when you exclude timer when you look at sustain

If your allies go down you just ult and roar for free ally rez

You might get unlucky and get staggered but honestly just create distance and time the roar

Since roar is ranged

But afaik you can parry everything minus status buildup

So any non status wipe mechanics (like big aoe angy attacks) you dont need the on-guard build

But the main issue with these relics

Is the executor earned ones are like

Just like the boss earned ones

So why not just run ice and poison relics from bosses and do better damage since it's guaranteed drops?

Sure maybe not inf sustain but doesn't matter that much if you just beat a boss down normally

Executor is ultimately an all-rounder

But he's so good at all rounding that he's usually best off just running status buildup

[vestal night]

having used that combo, it's really good

[arctic geyser]

Exec has S on arcane

So like

It's just better yeh

The new exec relic is def a much needed guaranteed relic for him

[obtuse halo]

well, arcane scaling is kind of a lie

No character actually has any arcane scaling

Executor does have the best arcane by far though

[arctic geyser]

Yeh I know but it's good enough that it's generally the most optimal for him damage wise

3rd relic just run any flat damage buff

[vestal night]

having guaranteed frostbite and bleed is just really good

[arctic geyser]

Yep

Plus makes exec go invisible

Sooooo

Makes clearing camps faster

Like Ironeye is still the best atm

But executor has goofy amounts of versatility

The main struggles as exec are just like

"Do you know when to parry"

That and enemies that run

I need to do more enhanced Adel runs tho

[vestal night]

Tbqh, I just haven't been using the parry sword when I played them

[arctic geyser]

So I can get all the goblets

[arctic geyser]

9/10 no reason not to

Only time I do it is when it's weird aoe stuff that just auto locks or big nuke things

So only when bosses get spicy

Or the annoying ghost knights

Cause they don't suffer status and exec struggles to stagger them

[ember isle]

Guardian is good for clearing camps because you can tornado all the chaff once they aggro you

Good for boss chip damage too

[arctic geyser]

So easier to just stagger them with parries+counter hit

Yeh

[ember isle]

If you use the reduce cooldown and increased duration relics your cooking

[arctic geyser]

Guardian makes bosses have to pass his endurance check lel

[plush cliff]

Guardian our beloved 😌

[mighty warren]

Had the most fun darkdrift knight fight with guardian just today, actually
shit was fucking great, even if i got robbed of the first WOS, had to build up a second one to clutch it out

[plush cliff]

Love this game

[glossy delta]

Cool ranch greatsword
Spicy nacho greatsword
hickory BBQ greatsword

[vestal night]

wish I could get a triple yellow relic rite on Ironeye

did managed to take down Darkdrift Knight though, for the Ironeye remembrance

[plush cliff]

What an... encouraging video title

~~Why we did not just link the video we don't know https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8D667N0UIys ~~

[ember isle]

Me talking about any class

[plush cliff]

Honestly we've been having a weird time playing revenant, it feels like we're missing something with her

Maybe it's just how inconsistent it is to get good incantations and weapons on her

[real shadow]

Her and the Recluse both seem to benefit the most with two dedicated players you yourself know and who are on communicating constantly, if that makes sense.

She's a support but one that needs support herself.

[plush cliff]

Ah

[real shadow]

This is sort of the case with a lot of multiplayer games though, and I think Nightreign just heightens that a little more--you have very short windows to get in and do your thing (upgrades, bonuses, bosses, etc) so you gotta work together well in order to shine.

[frozen olive]

she's also tough to play against Adel mostly because incants 99 times out of 100 are fire or lightning

[real shadow]

Yeah.

You're almost better off just letting poison be the role of the other two unless you get really lucky.

[arctic geyser]

Yeh

One of my friends plays recluse

I ask every time there's a staff or w/e cause I play Exec and am good with upgrading base weap

[real shadow]

I play Raider and basically any time I've had a Recluse or Revenant I just grab any excess starlight shards for them and drop'em when needed.

Though the last few times I played I hadn't seen either one.

[plush cliff]

Oh, is he resistant to those?

Freyja of the Nightless Night ↩️

[Reply to:](#1251763655578488872 message) she's also tough to play against Adel mostly because incants 99 times out of 100 are fire or lightni…

[arctic geyser]

No

Adel is tough because if you aren't familiar with dodging Adel he'll aggro ranged

[old brook]

The fuck is Adel anyhow

[arctic geyser]

So he goes after recluse or ironeye unless a guardian is pulling aggro

Gaping maw

[old brook]

I mean lorewise

[plush cliff]

Apparently yes (boss weaknesses chart)

Rose (It/Its) | The Labrynth Doll ↩️

[Reply to:](#1251763655578488872 message) Oh, is he resistant to those? 📎

[real shadow]

Well, at least he's not resistant to holy.

[plush cliff]

Yeh, though there are fewer holy miracles than you’d think

[real shadow]

Sadly. But rings is a good miracle to have anyway, that shit does work.

[plush cliff]

The gaping dragon but with starvation instead of gluttony

AIM away message (she/they) ↩️

[Reply to:](#1251763655578488872 message) I mean lorewise

[obtuse halo]

wow, one of them isn't immune to madness? Wild

[real shadow]

...it feels like Adel should be weak to piercing, right? Like it's kind of dragon-like.

[old brook]

I thought it was made of rocks when I first saw it

Some sort of gravity beast thing

[real shadow]

Hm, strike would also be appropriate there, good point.

[frozen olive]

yes, yes he is

he's also completely immune to madness

[frozen olive]

it's the madness guy

are they actually all immune to madness except the madness guy

man

[real shadow]

Weirdly weak to sleep too, hm.

[frozen olive]

we got a lvl 15 run against Everdark Gaping and like

i had

two madness seals and vykes war spear

my other seal had blackflame on it

genuinely got FUCKED by RNG for that run apparently

jfc

[dusty kraken]

Man, magic just gets screwed over.

[obtuse halo]

tbh that's how it kind of was in base Elden Ring too. You just didn't tend to notice because magic was so strong anyway (and you could buff it into the stratosphere)

[old brook]

Fire seems to be the way to go

[obtuse halo]

aside from a couple of cases like Rennala where they had a stupid high resist

[real shadow]

i just found out today you can consume boluses and other items on the ground by holding Y and hitting up on the D pad, super useful just to speed things up and not have to have it in your inventory

Motherfucker

[plush cliff]

The 10% resistances are ignorable tbh

Ikiryo ↩️

[Reply to:](#1251763655578488872 message) Man, magic just gets screwed over.

[languid tiger]

they're ignorable but compare it to the 20-50% weaknesses of fire/light

[frozen olive]

Madness is absolutely useless unless it's equilibrious and there is no benefit to using magic against any boss is what i'm seeing, damn

[plush cliff]

Fair

topple ↩️

[Reply to:](#1251763655578488872 message) they're ignorable but compare it to the 20-50% weaknesses of fire/light

But it’s still pretty good for most bosses

[languid tiger]

yeah it's fine

the good int spells are pretty cracked

so even though they're worse than the good chants in most matchups, they still feel good

[dusty kraken]

Still feels wrong that it literally never gets a bonus against a boss.

[real shadow]

Magic is useful against some field bosses, and probably a day 1/2 boss. So it's not totally useless.

Plus, y'know. Cannon of Haima's just good.

[languid tiger]

that's relatively normal for fromsoft games

magic almost never has [enemy weaknesses]

just a solid amount of the time it avoids resistances

not so much of that in ER

[frozen olive]

woe, Ranni/Rennala moon be upon ye

[obtuse halo]

Magic is just kind of the normal type move of ER. Nothing's really weak to it but it's rarely resisted and usually strong enough that it kicks ass without needing to target weaknesses

[languid tiger]

yeah, the spells themselves are juiced in compensation for the fact that i think there literally isn't a single Real Boss in elden ring (maybe dlc changes that) with lower magic negation than every other type

at best it shares a minimum with another

(all of which chants have access to)

oh! except gargoyles

gargoyles have 0 strike res but otherwise magic's 20 is the lowest around

*and 10 standard res apparently

just looked that up

i really, really would have liked if they'd given int multiple damage types like they gave all four to fth

but its position was still pretty dominant for most of ER

[obtuse halo]

Int has a second damage type and it's physical 😛

but I hear you

[languid tiger]

yeah but it's standard which is fake and deranged

even though it THROWS ROCKS

[old brook]

So many bosses weren't ready for Astel Meteor

[languid tiger]

WHY IS THE BRICK TO THE HEAD SPELL NOT BLUNT

i just would have liked pure int fire magic

play around with the like

mountaintops astronomer stuff

[obtuse halo]

I realize it’s not what you asked but Magma Shot only requires 10 faith and is a pretty solid pickup

[languid tiger]

yeah i like magma shot

it's a bit awkward but not terrible

and i like that the gelmir sorceries are hexes, being reverse-engineered from what were actual hexes

i just want like

more int magic that isn't Blue Laser

because all of the blue rocks are really neat and pretty individually but when taken too close together and too many at once become bland and disappointing

three glintstone shards are awesome

twenty just make me envy the dozen different unique disciplines chants have to choose from

all with very different visual and mechanical niches

[obtuse halo]

I get you

It’s probably telling that all my int builds are weird somehow

I have an int/arc bubble and ancestral infant head area denialist druidy type, a full int/faith character where I throw around whatever I want, and my only pure int character is really more about Death’s Poker than Glintstone

[dusty kraken]

Hell, make the Gravity Sorcery do physical damage

[obtuse halo]

Wait, it doesn’t?!

[languid tiger]

the rock throwing ones do

the Purple Blast ones don't

[obtuse halo]

Nani the fuck

[plush cliff]

It’s weird yeah

[dusty kraken]

Yeah, Blades of Stone and Rock Sling does physical, the Direct Gravity Stuff does magic and Meteorite spells do both

But I feel like they could have made All Gravity Stuff Physical

And it would have been fine/more distinct

[languid tiger]

aye

and also

not standard damage...

[plush cliff]

Unrelated, we think they buffed the scorpion charms in nightreign, they only lower your defense by 3%

[languid tiger]

please just remove standard damage

brick to the head? that's blunt

[obtuse halo]

I know the purple lasers in the DLC do pure physical

[languid tiger]

axe? that's slash

unless it's dull

[dusty kraken]

Also: Briar Spells should have totally done pierce.

[obtuse halo]

The ones enemies shoot at you I mean, in the fissure

[languid tiger]

do they deal phys or magic?

idr

[dusty kraken]

Pure magic!

[obtuse halo]

Deranged

[languid tiger]

thought so, but i wasn't sure

[dusty kraken]

If sorcery had a good mix of physical and magic damage, it might have made it feel a bit less samey.

[plush cliff]

We think ds2 did this

topple ↩️

[Reply to:](#1251763655578488872 message) please just remove standard damage

[languid tiger]

no lmao

[dusty kraken]

Well, that and if the Gravity Sorceries were not mostly gimmicky spells. XD

[languid tiger]

much like most of the other ds2 slander, this is inaccurate

[dusty kraken]

I love you meteorite but the times you are usable is...limited. XD

[languid tiger]

ds1 had Regular

and also slash

and thrust and blunt

[plush cliff]

…we’re saying it removed standard damage

topple ↩️

[Reply to:](#1251763655578488872 message) much like most of the other ds2 slander, this is inaccurate

[languid tiger]

ahhhh

[plush cliff]

Yeah

[languid tiger]

i think it still has standard?

[plush cliff]

Were the last people who will ever slander ds2

[languid tiger]

understandable

[frozen olive]

I'll slander it all day but it is a pretty fun game

[dusty kraken]

You know what's a really silly 'does magic damage' spell?

Tibia's Summons

[frozen olive]

???

[dusty kraken]

The Summon A Skeleton magic

[frozen olive]

What

[real shadow]

That and I think some movement options would've been neat. Like being able to run faster or jump a little higher, some utility-style stuff. Even a short-range teleport. A few off-ball things to give a sense of "mystical magic" to the whole set.

[plush cliff]

From what we remember it’s just slash, thrust, and strike

topple ↩️

[Reply to:](#1251763655578488872 message) i think it still has standard?

[languid tiger]

huh, just checked, you're totally right

it removed standard