Just incase anyone is unaware
#Elden Ring (DLC hype room)
mighty warren
Minor remembrance spoilers, namely just a reward
|| the last guardian remeberance gives a relic that has it and healing ult!||
frozen olive
i hate Revenants so much
ember isle
Minor remembrance spoilers, namely just a reward
|| the last guardian remebera...
I know what I must do now, thank you
I'm on like remembrance 6 or something, where you have to ||find the demon merchant||
thin stratus
oh wait shit
u know what rot is?
its the red weed from fukin
war of the worlds
the "aliens" falling and leaving craters?
thats so miyazaki
ember isle
I thought the Rot was an Outer God that corrupted the Lands Between
And that it's divinity was sealed away by the swordsman that mentored Malenia into the Lake of Rot in Ainsel
thin stratus
well yeah but like
d isnt vampire hunter d
but he also is obviously vampire hunter d yknow? inspiration vs in universe , watsonian vs doylist
mighty warren
I'm on like remembrance 6 or something, where you have to ||find the demon merch...
|| i was able to just do libra's expedition to get that but i'm sure there's an easier way||
ember isle
|| i was able to just do libra's expedition to get that but i'm sure there's an ...
||I've heard it's random and the best way to do it is just to do solo expedition and start a new one for each boss. If you don't see a marker on the map, stop the expedition, go to the next boss and keep going until you see it, because it's a random thing I think, but that was before the patch which apparently fixed an issue about it. So it might have been intended to be a Libra only thing but no idea||
mighty warren
|| Shrug, not sure, like said i went and killed libra and it worked||
ember isle
||I have to kill him anyway lol||
cinder jay
i hate Revenants so much
I do enjoy that kind of enemy in Sekiro, but in Elden Ring it's not so much difficult to beat as much as punishing when you get it wrong.
Leading to a rather safe, passive play-style at first.
mighty warren
I admittedly used primarily the healing method on them so i never realized how annoying they could be till nightreign
(for the record if anyone didn't know, healing spells damage revenants)
steel scroll
all this talk about nightreign has made us lose sight of what truly matters:
the fuck was wrong with needle knight leda anyhow
gray leaf
zealotry
frozen olive
a lot of zealotry
ember isle
And miquella's ability to compel affection from others
Which kinda fucks you up
Mentally/emotionally
gray leaf
...kind of.
But she's much less stable after the charm breaks. And it's unclear if when she ||slaughtered all the other Needle Knights|| she was charmed, or if Miquella charmed her afterwards to stop her from doing it again.
real shadow
Leda is what happens when a twink gets in your head on god
obtuse halo
Leda is down baddest for Kindly Miquella and is doing him a favor by getting rid of the insufficiently devoted.
It is very funny to me that she's seemingly charmed less in a "worship me" way and more in a "chill tf out" way
frozen olive
had to mind control her to stop her from killing everyone in a devout frenzy
ember isle
It might be implied too that the fucked up nature of the lands between might have really fucked her up mentally and she really wanted to believed in a gentler world that Miquella promised, enough so that the charm wasn't even necessary post rune break to keep her fervor
Part of me also thinks of the doctor strange wanda meme where it's like "the player character can kill everyone around them willy nilly and no one bats an eye, but when I do it, I get called crazy" (but of course it's not quite the same thing depending on how you play your player character)
I empathize a little in someone going crazy and wanting something better because a god who is right there in front of you promises it and at least seems a lot less fucked up than all the other ones
gray leaf
The charm did not make her rabidly devoted to Miquella. Generally, Miquella's charm makes its victims into just... better people, more or less. Which is still an act of violence, but a morally complicated one.
ember isle
I thought Miquella's charm just made them do whatever Miquella thought was best, like Mohg being charmed to help him get to the land of shadows?
real shadow
frozen olive
RIP the Moghinator, at least mr. king shit himself, Sir Ansbach got the getback for him
gray leaf
I thought Miquella's charm just made them do whatever Miquella thought was best,...
I mean, yes, but it also makes them into more tolerant, less violent people.
proven cloak
I thought the Rot was an Outer God that corrupted the Lands Between
the game(s) are actually entirely vague on what Outer God means without heavy speculation in any direction
(watsonianly. I think the doylist stuff is a little easier to pick out wrt the Outer God Talisman, Merchants, and Blood Cult.)
its prolly true to describe them that way, but it was also prolly born in the Lands Between - or at least theres not really any evidence that Rot comes 'from outside'
proven cloak
why dont they just dodge roll? are they stupid?
arctic geyser
Gods this, gods that, none of them just aura farm enough
Can't even talk no jutsu
Street level at best
kind garden
RIP the Moghinator, at least mr. king shit himself, Sir Ansbach got the getback ...
literally got it back in blood
proven cloak
Miqs charm is awesome I love its theme
frozen olive
my GOAT 🙏
proven cloak
its literally weaponized beauty
frozen olive
Sir Ansbach truly is peak
proven cloak
its so much cooler than if he started reprogramming you
frozen olive
i agree
proven cloak
the mind control is coming from inside the house - he hits you with that overflowing White Baby light and you go "oh maybe he does have a point"
and thats
so much scarier!
it rewrites what you care about, what you find meaningful and important in the world
and he doesn't even need to control it, just exposure alone makes you different
kind garden
he's got the ultimate Halo Effect going on
frozen olive
he shrives clean the hearts of men
proven cloak
Gods this, gods that, none of them just aura farm enough
also idk. have you seen the Marika / Radagon cutscene
he hits that pose
proven cloak
and he's even hot
arctic geyser
also idk. have you seen the Marika / Radagon cutscene
Nop, exactly why they aren't aura farming enough.
Not aura farming enough if a non elden ring player hasn't seen it
proven cloak
Nop, exactly why they aren't aura farming enough.
Not aura farming enough if a ...
woe,
cutscene upon ye
and then the title theme kicks in?
obtuse halo
Radagon's projectile deflect is my personal bane because it is agony to bow-only through it
proven cloak
and he literally could not beat Radagon + EB without
swapping out bolts
mid fight
it was horrendous
obtuse halo
yeaaaah that's the issue I ran into too
proven cloak
it took him like actual hours and hours
obtuse halo
I found Malenia bow-only vastly easier than Radagon bow-only
proven cloak
Godfrey was nearly as hard for him
proven cloak
the crossbow bolt reload is just slow enough he catches you with most of his attacks
the projectile deflect is so cool though
its so no-nonsense
this is a boss who knows all that sorcery and incantation stuff, and he's most interested in beating you with a hammer
and I respect that
frozen olive
i love how he just bats it out of the way with no a single regard or care
obtuse halo
zero fucks given
Radagon is among my favorite fights in the game for sure
awesome dance, really fun fight
that deflect is just agony for bows
proven cloak
it might be my favorite final (main game) fight in the series
no offense to Gwyn or, uh, Nashandra
but they really upped the spectacle, and thats honestly how I want my 100+ hour rpg to be capped off
frozen olive
mhm
proven cloak
even in SotfS Aldia's fight is kinda... anti-hype lmao
I liked it, but I wasn't really excited to be doing it
frozen olive
Aldia's fight is not very fun
proven cloak
and it comes after two other ehhhhh fights
frozen olive
wait, cycle his attacks, hit when safe, repeat
frozen olive
and it's also after those two other just ok fights
proven cloak
which isnt really a bonus to Aldia
arctic geyser
I'm just waiting for 50% off sale
proven cloak
I refuse to watch
yeah it is major spoilers
arctic geyser
Which has not happened yet
cinder jay
Suspect that it may take a while before that happens.
proven cloak
SoC is cool, I'd even say its great, but all the coolest stuff in its fight I think Radabeast does better
except maybe the whole "being a reflection of the MC" part
cinder jay
but they really upped the spectacle, and thats honestly how I want my 100+ hour ...
Honestly I'm wondering where they're planning to go from here.
Since I wouldn't be surprised if they end up deciding to pull back a little on the spectacle, or they go all in ;p.
Probably both but in different games.
arctic geyser
Suspect that it may take a while before that happens.
Skill issue on Fromsoft's part
proven cloak
at least in ER they kept up with spectacle
both in Shadow
and definitely in NR, given that final boss
it ||cuts open the fucking sky||
actually most nightlords
cinder jay
ER is what's set the new standard for it, and within a single work I don't think folk particularly often decrease the amount of spectacle aside from a soft reboot.
proven cloak
I think theres been a general increase in the spectacle of the from rpgs the entire time
cinder jay
It's honestly kinda funny how stereotypically jrpg the escalation is in Elden Ring. You begin by fighting a soldier, and end with a god slashing the universes apart to rain down heaven's fury on you.
proven cloak
Demon Souls -> Ds2 boss cutscenes -> Ds3 'oops all two phases' -> ER 'aura farming'
cinder jay
At this rate the sheep are going to have two phases.
proven cloak
its funny because the ds1 type bosses they make nowadays
Romina or Rellana types
get made fun of for not having that cool set up
old brook
I think the only 'Aura Farming' in ER is Radagon's Imposing Walk Cycle (and spell-slapping)
proven cloak
and just being a random enemy in a room
cinder jay
There are also a few three phase fights, such as Sister Friede in DS3.
proven cloak
I think the only 'Aura Farming' in ER is Radagon's Imposing Walk Cycle (and spel...
BBH got the first part at least too
cinder jay
Isn't Rellana one of the most beloved bosses in the dlc?
old brook
can it be considered farming when you just suddenly appear.. he's like an ambusher about it, but it works so well
proven cloak
I know a lot of people who think she should've said anything or had a cutscene or w/e
cinder jay
She's a girl in a random room yes
cinder jay
I know a lot of people who think she should've said anything or had a cutscene o...
Tbh I like when they don't
proven cloak
I dont mind it, because I didn't mind it in ds1/2
old brook
She's the quiet type, her sister is chatty
cinder jay
old brook
what was your beef, Pursuer
proven cloak
'ate undead
cinder jay
You were undead, and thus their prey
cinder jay
Pursuer is still one of my favourite soulsborne designs haha.
It's in that perfect place between mundane and fantastical.
old brook
he's a 'Knight Guy' with enough of a unique spin to stand out
sort of like Bell Bearing tbh
old brook
sometimes a guy is just huge and hates you
proven cloak
I do think the ER bit thats gonna influence fromrpgs going forward
cinder jay
Bell bearing was funny since they were 100% meant to feel like they'd ambush and pursue you, similarly to the pursuer, but their triggers were so finicky that it rarely seemed to ambiently happen.
proven cloak
is more of a focus on character
cinder jay
As long as that focus doesn't have me creating a betting circle on who'll die in their next game.
proven cloak
both of the bosses, like the demigods
or the npcs, like the Miq-y Mouse Clubhouse or Nightfarers
cinder jay
I am very, very tempted to do so.
I do agree with you that I could see more of a character focus though, but I hope it goes hand in hand with a less cumbersome system for interacting with said characters than what ER had.
As is the way they've structured it, with having to go to random places, track folk down, and constantly hope you don't trigger something by accident that locks you out of their questline, I genuinely wonder how many folk approach the NPCs with a guide in hand.
old brook
The fact i got the Frenzy questline to properly trigger before they had npc icons was something of a miracle
Just happened to wander around in proper order
cinder jay
I have both gotten it in my first run, and not in a later playthrough since there's a middle step that's annoying to find the location for and I ended up just saying "fuck it".
Rather than try to figure out which pick-up I'd missed.
old brook
It made for a great first experience heading down because I'd been wondering where she went off to for like 60 hours before I landed down there
cinder jay
Mm, I do think stuff like Ash Lake in Dark Souls 1 does make for a good time.
But the finagling of finding where or when someone is ends up feeling more like a chore that you're diverging from the rest of the game for.
old brook
Even just a damned journal or some pinboard to track people
cinder jay
Or a better system such that you didn't feel like you had to constantly be tracking them down like you're the one postman in all of the lands between.
old brook
I kind of wouldn't want them tied to 'the main story'all that much though
cinder jay
Tbh it's not even that, and more stuff like missing much of Melina's story because you didn't rest at the right sites of grace in the correct order.
proven cloak
I like the steps they took towards making quests and secrets more highlighted
compare the Haligtree Secret Medallion + the 4 different npcs who talk about the Haligtree and point out how to find it, or Caria Manor as super visible in Liurnia (and the illusion wall being on a road in an illusion themed ruin)
versus
Ash Lake
or the Ds2 Darklurker fight
or even talking to Kaathe in ds1
its so much easier to figure out blind, and so its more rewarding for the average experience to actually engage with
you wont get everything, but you can get what you look for, I think
plush cliffBOT
Guardian’s block focus doesn’t always work, but when it works it’s one of the most satisfying things in the game
Reverb-MSG4RF- ↩️
proven cloak
while idk if my ass was solving ds3 "show your humanity" myself, even if I really wanted to
ember isle
Part of it i think is that Elden Ring, being open world and having not much guidance besides like the beam of light, needed to rely a lot more on visually but subtly pointing you to important places
cinder jay
The thing to consider with the soulsborne franchise is that it nowadays does rather directly exist in conversation with the surrounding paratext of various communities and community resources.
ember isle
From as much as I can remember from my soulsborne experience, it's mostly linear in the direction you go, except for some side stuff
cinder jay
Which does give secrets and storylines a bit of a different dynamic to how they were in the distant past~ so to speak.
proven cloak
mhm
by the time I played ds3 and ds2, esp because my friends were already in it
I was definitely told a lot of the secrets
or sometimes was just following a checklist
(and tbf the npc quests sometimes needed those checklists if you didnt want to break them)
cinder jay
or sometimes was just following a checklist
That do be how the games can at times feel.
cinder jay
(and tbf the npc quests sometimes *needed* those checklists if you didnt want to...
And that do be the historic issue that continues to this day.
proven cloak
but it never stuck with me in the way finding the way to the Haligtree on my own did
because it is less engaging to just read and go through the motions than try to look within the game, at least to me
ember isle
I know going in blind with Elden Ring was a lot of fun minus knowing the first minor boss was going to kick my ass, as per tradition, and it was cool to accidentally stumble into places
Felt similar to jumping into a hole for the first time in Tears of the Kingdom
proven cloak
I think its why the river well was so talked-about
cinder jay
I know going in blind with Elden Ring was a lot of fun minus knowing the first m...
It was neat, though I did consult a map for the NPC stuff.
proven cloak
just that curtain pull that stuff like that could exist in any random ruin
cinder jay
And by virtue of how the internet is, Haligtree didn't stay secret for long.
But I do think Soulsborne is a series which will hit different when it's your first entry into it.
old brook
Folks making the game into a checklist is kind of on them
proven cloak
ya thats true
cinder jay
Folks making the game into a checklist is kind of on them
I mean I'm not going to blame folk for it when a lot of NPC questlines are easily missable.
proven cloak
though I do think that if you play ds1 blind, theres no shot you get solaire's 'good ending' on first playthrough
old brook
Sometimes you miss things
old brook
100% Completion and Perfection is wild expectation
proven cloak
which is fine for that design, I just like the newer pointing they've been doing
cinder jay
Sometimes you miss things
Sometimes you do, and people tend to walk away from that learning how to not miss things.
old brook
There's nothing wrong
With having your own experience
But folks compare to others and get.. idk? Fomo?
proven cloak
(thats actually the reason I always prefer these games singleplayer)
old brook
When I learn I missed something I go "ah fuck the game was incredibly cool even without that thing, I can't believe there's even more thing"
proven cloak
friends are nice, but I don't soak in the vibes as much when I'm running around with them
cinder jay
There is a facet of it where games are altered by the paratext that's developed over the decades, the internet exists and we can't do away with it, but I would contend with the idea of it being on the players when Fromsoft structures things this way.
old brook
Games have been doing arcane and cryptic nonsense since like 1988
cinder jay
Yes, and paratext has developed in reaction to that.
I'm aware
In this particular case it's more comparable to the Pokémon Black&White phone questline involving Yancy/Curtis.
old brook
And I'm trying to say if folks feel like they're having less fun because they're just running down a list to not look at the stupid list
cinder jay
I know, and that argument has existed too since the 90s; but the internet does exist and is something we do reckon with.
And I think you can have something be less annoying to achieve on its own without needing consulting external sources, which is why they did eventually include markets for NPC locations in Elden Ring.
old brook
That's my vote on it, essentially, minus having a list of names and whatall for memory reasons, I think the map markers are enough to keep track of an npc if you really care to
cinder jay
That and if you do have points of no return, do be aware that you're teaching people playing the game to go through everything they can before they may happen on a point of no return. To have missed something by virtue of being unaware of it tends to sting less than to have missed something by virtue of having stepped past a certain, to you arbitrary, checkpoint.
old brook
How many arbitrary checkpoints does ER rightly have anyhow
A lot of them feel pretty signposted
ember isle
Once I defeated renalla is when I started looking stuff up, partially for fun, partially to see all the random stuff I haven't seen yet
cinder jay
How many arbitrary checkpoints does ER rightly have anyhow
You'd be surprised by how few are needed to teach the instinct.
arctic geyser
though I *do* think that if you play ds1 blind, theres no shot you get solaire's...
Its esoteric as heck yeh
old brook
though I *do* think that if you play ds1 blind, theres no shot you get solaire's...
also you'd be surprised what accidents can happen
cinder jay
Think the one I remember was ||When I in a second playthrough of ER came upon the big Albunaric lady and realised I didn't have the bow girl with me, since that'd been my last playthrough or I'd forgot to click something, and when I returned I found her dead .||
obtuse halo
Been there
cinder jay
Didn't really affect me more than a shrug on the shoulders and saying "huh, guess I missed that".
But it didn't exactly feel like a tragedy as much as a kind of arbitrary thing.
old brook
When does he get all 'find the albinauric woman', after you find the old man in the village?
plush cliffBOT
Yep
cinder jay
||Never if you don't pick her up initially, and if you come across her later or realise that you didn't pick her up too late (as was what happened to me since it was my second playthrough having switched over to a different console).||
Or you meant the guy, he does say that there yes.
old brook
and wait he tells you about her too
cinder jay
But yeah for me it was that I forgot to click a dialogue option at some point, and that was that.
Having thought I did so.
real shadow
Games have been doing arcane and cryptic nonsense since like 1988
At least since Ultima released in 1981. I'm sure there's some text adventures before that but Ultima's like, the OG "how am I supposed to figure this out" game.
old brook
I don't exactly know what you want to change outside of 'npcs do nothing unless prompted'
But they do just have a tendency to die
Though Latenna is a little understandable there
cinder jay
I mean you asked for an arbitrary example, and that was one.
At what point in the game does she die?
And what signifies that?
old brook
Supposedly after you activate the lift
obtuse halo
*At least* since Ultima released in 1981. I'm sure there's some text adventures ...
How do you figure this out is kind of most old text adventures tbh
cinder jay
The Albunaric killing lift?
old brook
But like that's 60% deeper into the game after talking to Albus
obtuse halo
The moon logic is so real
old brook
And an npc in the main base constantly saying it
real shadow
How do you figure this out is kind of most old text adventures tbh
God, yeah. You're expected to just hit every wall and turn every corner while keeping graph paper on the side in the hopes it all makes sense.
cinder jay
Larger point is that I'm not going to blame someone for coming across a thing like that, and feeling miffed over it.
old brook
I kind of disagree here
cinder jay
Which in turn is the kind of stuff that pushes someone towards utilising checklists to see what the game has made them miss.
old brook
But can understand
cinder jay
But like that's 60% deeper into the game after talking to Albus
And again to be clear, I was aware of the whole questline but had thought I'd already picked her up and didn't realise I hadn't until it was far too late.
Since this was my second playthrough.
old brook
The Frenzy questline feels more "???" what with the order of boss killing
Real easy to screw up getting the grapes
Though they might have patched that?
cinder jay
They patched a lot of things, considering some questlines were incomplete.
obtuse halo
Oh my god, yeah the cut Kale questline is some strong writing
I still don’t know why it was cut beyond being a little weird to have him just standing across the room from Hyetta
old brook
Little weird for Hyetta to be down there anyhow
Girl there was a Mystical Blood Ghost Illusion in front of the six illusory passwalls
cinder jay
Elden Ring is a game where you at times do feel the scope of their ambitions.
Like most of what I've talked about here is something I highly suspect to be a result of that more than anything.
old brook
I'd say they made questlines -more- functional, Ds2/3 had some real choices
( though Yura can be a little impossible to track )
The others at least seem to be going in directions
obtuse halo
I do think how hard they are varies depending on the general game route you take and personal things
Like, I missed Rya completely my first playthrough but had zero trouble following millicent's quest without really hunting for her or looking things up
but I know people mad about her location at Erdtree Gazing Hill
old brook
100%, I just know I never would have walked out and around the teleporter on that bridge to find the yura summon
obtuse halo
I did that by accident while dueling with red signs
old brook
For some reason Gazing Hill was one of my main teleports so Milli was kind of my gal
obtuse halo
not the whole thing but realizing you could just walk out there
obtuse halo
For some reason Gazing Hill was one of my main teleports so Milli was kind of my...
Yeah same here, imo her only "random" location is Dominula Village if you already did it before Shaded Castle
obtuse halo
it makes sense if you summon her for the fight to find her there after, but if you've been there done that before giving her the prosthesis...not so much.
frozen olive
*girl for what*
aura farming
Also my friend pinged me with this 😭
Inopportune time for the adhd to kick in and me to completely space out 😔
proven cloak
How many arbitrary checkpoints does ER rightly have anyhow
p. sure its mostly Post-Capital and Post-Farum
and most of those are Farum
and I actually do think having mostly just those two, very largely in plot signposted checkpoints is much more forgiving than some of their previous games
where any random boss may be a checkpoint for any random npc quest
the fact you can clear 4 demigods and then remember a limgrave character exists and do their quest, no issue, is a good thing for ensuring more people are able to do it if they want
old brook
'Anri died.' 'What?! How? When?' 'Died. v-v'
proven cloak
wasn't it obvious you had to kill the invisible assassin that was after her for Reasons™️ standing in a random corner
I actually missed Gavlan my first ds2 playthrough, because I didn't do his checks properly
old brook
I didn't know Gavlan had checks or a quest, was just a man that was sometimes around
Good fella
proven cloak
and that does set up interesting personal experiences with the gameplay, but also it can feel arbitrary which ones lock you into a path or not, and encourage you to miss cool shit other times
my first ER playthrough I only did half of Ranni's quest, because I wasn't sure if it would lock out other options and I didn't want to risk it
and thats a cool personal experience -but I also didn't get to see the Lake of Rot or Astel until playthrough 2
if you're going to have these checks, imo its better if its clearest to the player where the cutoffs are so you aren't playing a guessing game with the devs
old brook
I have to be most bewildered at folks that Frenzied on accident and how common that seemed
proven cloak
||Melina popping out in front of the Frenzied Flame door is a good example of this, I think - the text is giving you a lot of warning||
yeah lmao
old brook
Like look around for a second, just one
proven cloak
you have to literally get naked
its one of the most intentional actions the game can make you do
old brook
'I don't know about this, but, she did ask nicely'
Or to interpret such from the signs on the floor
Which there were a thousand telling you Madness, ahh.. madness.
The door itself looking like a scar they made on the devil
but maybe it can be assumed it's setting up for the strangest bossfight of all
Shabriri just ":[" because they didn't get to scheme and lie about it
old brook
I wouldn't make it past Melina but if folks don't find that I s'pose
proven cloak
I wish she got some of the characterization of that route in the standard story
it adds a lot to her to hear her give an opinion on what matters in the world
old brook
She's so distant and ghostlike otherwise
This snaps her right to focus
not just The Mission
proven cloak
just having her have shown up more often at random graces and maybe just comment on the surroundings or something
old brook
shakes tell us about your big brother, whomst is your dad
proven cloak
"I forgor"
old brook
why are you trained in cool knife fighting techniques
and who did that
girl your eye, girl
Emerald Herald felt human in that way, somehow
Ds3 Keeper is neat design but not the most going on
ember isle
Sir Gideon the All Knowing yapping to me in front of the gate about becoming the elden lord
Me, a singed tarnished not hearing a word while I daydream about going supernova
"Huh, what, elden lord?"
old brook
The guy works with Ensha I don't think he's putting too much stock into the things his 'minions' are thinking about
glossy delta
I have to be most bewildered at folks that Frenzied on accident and how common t...
As someone who did this myself, on my playthrough what happened was-
'I found this wild jumping puzzle hidden behind a fake wall (indicated to me by left messages)'
'I get to the bottom, light grace (do not sit at it as I have full health and flasks), go over to the cool door'
'note the ten thousand messages saying 'no armor ahead''
'notice the door will not open, strip naked as indicated, try again'
Its really not that hard
glossy delta
I figured it had a boss behind it 😛
old brook
a boss that wanted no weapons or armor
glossy delta
Or like
Something that wasn't permanent
Like a dude
Or a chest
Not a cutscene that locks you into an ending, is what I'm saying
ember isle
Just use the needle, duuuh
glossy delta
But like
Yeah no this is definitely hindsight saying 'surely people could tell'
Its quite easy to miss hyetta's quest and quite easy to not sit at the grace after going to the bottom
On launch people could not, in fact, tell
glossy delta
And yeah I did manage to figure out the needle on my first playthrough, also
ember isle
Break the cycle
plush cliffBOT
Hmm. Well this isn't ideal
So um. Is the ancient dragon supposed to have 5 million health or are we missing something?
real shadow
Nah it just has way too much health and is a pain in the ass.
ember isle
It fucked me up too, and it's scaled for 3 people so more health
plush cliffBOT
It truly lives up to the name of Ancient Dragon then
Slimnoid ↩️
feral linden
It truly lives up to the name of Ancient Dragon then
Of all the bosses they took from DS2 it has to be this chonky fella
No pursuer? 🥺
real shadow
The only good dragon fight they've ever made was against CURSE YOU BAYLE and every other one has just been some form of frustration.
vestal night
Of all the bosses they took from DS2 it has to be this chonky fella
that's not the DS2 Ancient Dragon
light bridge
I think you are right
I was going to say I liked Kalameet
But I don't think I did
old brook
Lichdragon is nifty
feral linden
Oh its not ds2 dragon
light bridge
Oh right, Lichdragon is amazing
feral linden
Lives up to it chonkwise maybe
cinder jay
I remember the DS2 dlc dragon was nifty, though take that with a grain of salt.
plush cliffBOT
It just has the same name yeah
cinder jay
Ringed City guy is one I know is beloved by some, but is the only dark souls 3 boss I just kinda couldn't be arsed to beat.
feral linden
The only way i could fight the damn thing was when i had the anti backstab ring equipped
cinder jay
Lichdragon was actually fun to fight though yeah.
Does the Sekiro dragon even count? Shouldn't matter since it's not a fight I considered great anyway ;p.
median rock
sekiro dragon deserves an honorable mention for being one of the coolest run-ups to it / fight arena
cinder jay
T'was a nice spectacle the first time through though.
cinder jay
sekiro dragon deserves an honorable mention for being one of the coolest run-ups...
I mean if we judge things by the run-up I feel we'll end up with a very different list.
cinder jay
I will say that gaping dragon did succeed where many of the other dragons struggle, in that they have a hitbox that's relatively easy for the players to reach.
I'll always commend a dragon fight where you're not primarily attacking their ankles (which is something I definitely will give the Sekiro fight).
feral linden
They left my GOAT the pursuer out of neightrein aaa
median rock
seath is pretty good for that too, though it's definitely a 'non-traditional' dragon fight
feral linden
No chance of dlcs no
vestal night
Pursuer would work well as an invasion event like Margit I think
cinder jay
They left my GOAT the pursuer out of neightrein aaa
Maybe they'll be one of the dlc bosses? Though I think you'd have folk be pretty mad if that were the case.
feral linden
I want nightrein pursuer to do armored core shit
cinder jay
seath is pretty good for that too, though it's definitely a 'non-traditional' dr...
I do think that the less of a struggle hitting anything other than their feet is, coupled with not fighting the camera, the better the dragon fight.
feral linden
Aside from freyja who else from ds2's boss roster made it in
real shadow
I want a 1% chance that Patches shows up as a day 1/2 boss and who just immediately leaves when he sees the party.
median rock
now that i'm thinking about it - i think rykard is actually the closest thing to the divine dragon/seath/etc. fights in elden ring, where there's a mostly-immobile thing that's putting out attacks just constrained by arena spacing
ember isle
He should whistle and call in a night lord before cowering
Yeah rykard is a gimmick fight
median rock
rykard hops around and all, but it's the same idea of "i'm fighting a guy who's standing in front of me the whole time"
ember isle
Like the divine dragon and seath
median rock
not just a gimmick fight - i wouldn't consider seath a gimmick fight the same way as like rykard or something
cinder jay
now that i'm thinking about it - i think rykard is actually the closest thing to...
Kinda, though Rykard falls under a bit of a different niche which is when Fromsoft gives the played a storm weapon and a big target.
median rock
idk. theres a sliding scale between "full gimmick/non-traditional fight" for like, bed of chaos & divine dragon, and then a fight like rykard or even osmething like deacons
cinder jay
Has happened in Demon's, Dark Souls 3, and Elden Ring to my knowledge.
Of all the various gimmick fights though, I still have a soft spot for Taurus Demon by virtue of his arena. The fight itself is fairly traditional big guy, but between the bridge and the tower you get something interesting.
median rock
where divine dragon uses basically none of the relevant mechanics from sekiro's main gameplay, and something like deacons or the royal rat gang is just a normal fight with 'normal' boss interactions, its just there's a ton of adds and its not very difficult
dusty kraken
I do wish that they didn't give you the 'murder Rykhard sword'.
It's something where it makes his fight kinda one note
median rock
yeah, between that + volcano manor being one of the most annoying legacy dungeons to do on replays, its not a fight i enjoy overly much
cinder jay
That's kinda the downside with these fights; the DS3 one had the same issue.
old brook
The other options are sort of 'boil in lava' I'm not sure how to wrangle hitboxes like his without a room-sized weapon
cinder jay
At least you could dual wield the Rykard weapon with another lance.
To make the fight go faster.
median rock
i think his HP was adjusted down (and serpent hunter damaged turned down to match), it migth be more interesting
dusty kraken
I think part of it is also that said Anti-Rykhard weapon is also kinda a boring weapon outside of that One FIght.
median rock
but he's got so much HP it's just not enjoyable or practical to fight him without serpent hunter for a lot of bits
dusty kraken
Like give me a Sword Beam Slash outside of that one fight, even if it's much smaller
cinder jay
I think part of it is also that said Anti-Rykhard weapon is also kinda a boring ...
The trend that keeps on continuing with these ones. Though can't remember if the weapon in Demon's didn't have some utility outside of the fight with the stormlord still?
dusty kraken
Which is a pity, as I like the look of it.
median rock
demon souls storm ruler's got funny knockback, but it's got abysmal durability for normal swings
cinder jay
but he's got so much HP it's just not enjoyable or practical to fight him withou...
I'm sure there is some way to cheese him that's faster, but yeah the fundamental is that fights like these by virtue of being made to have one solution end up getting monotonous rather quickly after you've played through it once.
median rock
so its neat but not useable as a weapon iirc
cinder jay
I don't mind them too much, but I also don't look forwards to them.
cinder jay
demon souls storm ruler's got funny knockback, but it's got abysmal durability f...
Mm, did have a vague memory of the durability issue. It's a shame.
median rock
for me it's like - it's a mediocre fight, and it's in the legacy dungeon that's arguably the most tedious to get to on replays, because you either do the abductor virgin or you have to run all the way through gelmir to get to volcano manor normally
cinder jay
The strength of volcano manor is that it did give us some fun voice acting.
median rock
mohg and radahn are also a long run, but there's more around them that's enjoyable on replay. radahn and malenia are full areas to do. the academy is a bit annoying but i'ts got respec behind it
cinder jay
The Academy mainly had one hallway that could be annoying from what I remember, but was otherwise quite fun.
median rock
it's also kinda on the way to altus anyway, so it's not a big detour
cinder jay
Overall I'd say Volcano Manor felt the weakest both in terms of surrounding area, narrative, the dungeon, and boss fight/s.
old brook
I liked it! /fanfare
cinder jay
With Stormveil mayhaps unsurprisingly being the one I had the most fun with.
median rock
i think it's probably the biggest loser of no more real covenants, really
it does kinda make me wonder if it was conceived for an elden ring with more emphasis on those
dusty kraken
Stormveil is unironically great design.
Multiple paths to the boss, each with a fun theme.
median rock
or at least, conceived with the same ideas as were behind the old covenants
glossy delta
It's the best designed legacy dungeon, probably for a reason
dusty kraken
And it feels really coherant as like 'a place'
cinder jay
i think it's probably the biggest loser of no more real covenants, really
But Riker, could you bear the weight of killing these four or five guys around the map who you may have summoned once to a fight?
glossy delta
Previewbait
old brook
But Riker, could you bear the weight of killing these four or five guys around t...
I love how all the armor you get from that is like "this was the nicest man anyone knew"
cinder jay
Previewbait
Admittedly it's not exactly rare for the first area of a game to be its strongest.
median rock
i genuinely didn't know tragoth was a guy outside of patches's quest on my first playthrough
and i did like the hoslow thing, but this was also pre jarburg quest existing, so it definitely fell flat there
cinder jay
i genuinely didn't know tragoth was a guy outside of patches's quest on my first...
He's the only one I do feel a bit bad about since I enjoy playing with him during the wyvern fight haha.
Hoslow did have a good narrative framing, if like you said the absence of the Jarburg stuff made it fall a bit flat. That and killing his brother didn't have much impact.
Though nowadays I only kill his brother and the rest if I want their armour ;p.
dusty kraken
I love how all the armor you get from that is like "this was the nicest man anyo...
'Here is this fellow. He liked helping new players and petting puppies. You killed him.'
cinder jay
Damn, such strong storytelling.
There are other characters with some genuinely compelling stuff, such as Morgott, so yeah the whole volcano manor plotline never really clicked outside of the snake girl.
Who was nice, I'll give them that. Not the strongest story ever, but nice.
old brook
I mean comparing Morgott to some putz she wants to feed to a snake feels silly
The story of the manor has mostly already happened and is now firmly in the Derangement Space
Not to be "he's the middle child of the third(?) marriage" about it but well
cinder jay
Morgott was always going to have more of a central role, but the point I'm making is that it shows they have the capacity to characterise people in a way that Volcano Manor's quests largely failed at to me. Can compare to Jerren instead if one wants to.
dusty kraken
I think more of the manor invasions should have been 2v2 instead of just the last one.
And have more of the manor guys give voice lines during those invasions
To set up more character
old brook
Maybe give us a choice between more fleshed-out characters but i figure they didn't want to put folks off from engaging with it
cinder jay
Like Riker hinted at earlier I suspect it's just a consequence of other stuff being cut or remade later down the line in development, but it at least to me gives the manor as is a more ancillary feel.
old brook
i mean it is, guy was just a judge-baron that powergrabbed
but would've made a hell of a covenant if there was a system for it
wonder if they would've locked Dragon Powers behind one
cinder jay
But there isn't ultimately, and thus we judge by what we have. And I'll admit that if I didn't have to go there I probably wouldn't during repeat playthroughs.
old brook
wait isn't it totally optional
obtuse halo
Volcano Manor is optional, yeah.
old brook
Sorry, that one ghost gentleman
cinder jay
Yeah, forgot that you don't need all but some great runes.
old brook
it's kind of shocking how little of the game you need to do
vestal night
you only need two great runes
median rock
wonder if they would've locked Dragon Powers behind one
i can't imagine them doing that with the current state of elden ring, and i think that's possibly part of the reason why (for example) volcano manor got peeled back
vestal night
to be allowed to enter Leyndell
cinder jay
Yeah, does feel a bit odd to think about.
median rock
there's definitely a lot of 'dark souls mechanics'/similar stuff that got scrapped when they decided they wanted to make it a big open world thing with a lot of replayability/versatility
obtuse halo
yeah hilariously minimum boss% I think requires you use Mogh and Radahn's great runes to get into Leyndell
old brook
though tbf if there were Hard Requirements on every edge of the map i can see that being a bit of a pain
median rock
i think the respec feature is a good example of something that's likely added, explicitly because it's now a bigger game with more emphasis on "mess around in the world"
(not that earlier games didn't have it, but it's like - RIGHT there in elden ring)
old brook
their resistance to respecs pains me so greatly, this one i shan't defend
median rock
(i think you need to join the covenant in ds3, for example? and there's a limit?)
old brook
at least it's better than Tongues Covenant, yeah
cinder jay
yeah hilariously minimum boss% I think requires you use Mogh and Radahn's great ...
Miquella speedrun
old brook
there's a limit here too but it's far more generous especially with SOTE
but still feels sucky to use an item for it
median rock
i think ds3 had a hard limit per ng cycle
old brook
hope you did your stamina math
so does ER
you only get so many larval tears
wait did SOTE bring a refreshing one and i just never went back to check
median rock
the elden ring hard limit is determined by larval tears, but you can stockpile infinite and there's almost 20
cinder jay
(i think you need to join the covenant in ds3, for example? and there's a limit?...
5 max per cycle of the game yes.
median rock
no not that i know of
old brook
DS3, you sure made some... decisions
median rock
idk. i think in general the idea of "locking things behind covenants" was probably a big reason they dropped covenants
old brook
yeaaah and it's not like the old ones were ever. perfect.
darkmoon farming my beloathed
median rock
since that's never been a wildly popular feature, and it's also kinda central to the gimmick of covenants. without it, it's just a clan tag after your name
cinder jay
That and the games don't really do a lot of interesting stuff with covenants, aside from DS2 and one could argue that one boss fight in DS3 (and Demon's souls).
DS2 though did have the bellboys be quite beloved.
old brook
Darklurker's more of a questline than a covenant, yeah
median rock
so if they were to keep covenants they'd more-or-less have to give them NG cycle exclusive content to make it interesting/worthwhile, imo. and tha'ts obviously a kinda scuffed idea for a game like ER turned out to be
cinder jay
Darklurker's more of a questline than a covenant, yeah
I was talking about the PvP boss fights in DS3 and Demon's just to be clear.
old brook
they should bring back covenants that generate strange white circles and explain little to nothing about them
old brook
I was talking about the PvP boss fights in DS3 and Demon's just to be clear.
iii forgot about those
what a strange boss
median rock
i think jar arena fight & fia's champs fights are fun ideas
cinder jay
Fia's was a bit less fun in execution, but yeah the concept is there.
median rock
yeah they're uh
cinder jay
Even if I liked the bellboys more.
median rock
fun ideas. not great executions, particularly jar
jar's is less of a bullshit fight, sure - but it just means you have really good odds of getting <whatever PVP weapon is meta atm> x3
i remember one go i got RoB x2 and then RKR giant crusher
cinder jay
Soulsborne has had a weird time with PvP stuff and where it wants to reckon it is versus how it creates rewards and incentive structures for it.
median rock
which is like, come on man, really?
cinder jay
Wanting PvP to be more of an environmental challenge where the invader isn't meant to win necessarily, but rather be a hindrance, does get weird with tying progression in various ways to the invader actually winning.
median rock
i guess that's less of an issue if you're not playing on release, but idk. most of my elden ring playthroughs in the last year and change have been rando or SL1, and jar is not relevant for either really
old brook
oh it was the same on release
folks found RoB faaaast
90% of summonstuff was that or moonveil
median rock
no, that's what i mean - i played on release, it was like that. i continued to play after and eventually it dropped off a little, but after SOTE it was back
median rock
so if you're playing like, not during any particular elden ring update that's bringing a lot of players back, i'm sure there's more variety there
or maybe not! i have no real clue, i don't think anybody does, how those builds are pulled
cinder jay
so if you're playing like, not during any particular elden ring update that's br...
Leaning on the research that's been done on matchmaking, a lack of it does tend to push out folk below the top 10%, which subsequently narrows the pool and pushes out those who would previously have been the top 10%.
Note though that this research was done in the context of Call of Duty online play; "The Role of Skill in Matchmaking" is the title if you're curious.
arctic geyser
did
did the devs lie in their patch notes?
so many enemies feel weaker or stronger
like wtf
ember isle
bird remembrance is complete now
proven cloak
bird remembrance is complete now
did you ||forgive Recluse?||
ember isle
did you ||forgive Recluse?||
||I wouldn't be honorable if I didn't.||
mighty warren
Good clip from me and a few friends playing nightreign
bird blender is strong, i love this ability
also there is something hilarious that this clip starts and ends with me stabbing a knight
real shadow
frozen olive
real
ember isle
Gotta rev up that spin cycle
vestal night
Augur remains a huge pain to fight
Almost got it, but we choked on the last 10% or so
is there any kind of trick to that big sleep attack, or do you just need to save ults to hope to interrupt it?
arctic geyser
Can interrupt it with element
Or sleep resist
Or flask healing over time passive
ember isle
the big sleep attack can be interrupted with lightning attacks
Its knocks it out of the sky
vestal night
Got Sentient Pests down
real shadow
proven cloak
eyyyy
one of the best loretubers imo
arctic geyser
of course it's not his painting?
he sat down when it was already mostly painted
also very clearly
executor is from dark souls, not sekiro like everyone thinks
proven cloak
I think he's from A Crab's Treasure
median rock
i'm pretty sure he's actually from the land of reeds
open wasp
I beat Malenia! 😄
vestal night
Nice
open wasp
Took about 20 tries
vestal night
successful Fissure run in Nightreign just now
wasn't that hard of a fight tbh
but we also had a very good run
green acorn
Just a casual perfect roll best in slot
This has ruined me I'm always going to be checking the random corpses everywhere now
Despite 99.9% of them being trash
arctic geyser
old brook
still such odd vibes in that beast, almost feels like he'd be from a different series
arctic geyser
Well the other thing is like
||he's not normally a boss, just a funneh goat||
||cause he doesn't just spawn in and try to murder hobo you like the other bosses, he just shows up and curses you and fucks off if you pay him $5||
old brook
That's part of what makes him strange!
gray leaf
You know that "estrogen would fix him"/"estrogen would make him worse"/"estrogen wouldn't fix him but it would be very funny" meme? I submit, for your consideration: Count Ymir.
frozen olive
estrogen wouldn't fix him but it would be very funny
Ymirs fundamental problems will not be affected in any capacity by transitioning, but it would do something interesting at least
gray leaf
I think part of the issue is that estrogen wouldn't do enough. Ymir's fundamental goal is to be a mother.
frozen olive
the way i see it
Ymirs main big issues are a dead child an an outer gods emissary living in his basement radiating things that humans are not meant to be in proximity to
some amount of Ymirs thing about being a mum has to be at least influenced by Metyr
gray leaf
Possibly? But it's equally possible that Ymir moved to where he is because of his weird issues about being a mother.
frozen olive
oh absolutely
i'm just saying, having Metyr, Mother of Fingers, abandoned and mutilated eldritch horror living in your basement surely did not help
glossy delta
Considering his kid is buried there, it seems like he's been around long before his derangement
charred crane
I have a grim confession.
I'm absolutely pathetic as Ironeye
I've fallen back on status effects to attempt to do any damage at all
I have a pretty good relic that gives my starting bow bleed, and that has been a major crutch
vestal night
I mean, that's just smart play
bleed on bow definitely seems like it'd be good
also I only just watched this
Revenant is so itty bitty
trim owl
she needs to stand on the chair to read the remembrance book
charred crane
I really like how edgy she is
proven cloak
I think part of the issue is that estrogen wouldn't do *enough*. Ymir's fundame...
tbf he
he isn't not successful there
he very much does, uh, do that
mid fight
proven cloak
Ymirs main big issues are a dead child an an outer gods emissary living in his b...
honestly the first part is probably the biggest one
he's doing the second because a dead child caused a crisis of faith
what does the moon and stars matter, with Yuri gone?
frozen olive
mhm
proven cloak
idk the exact timeline, but the way he talks in his item descriptions versus how he sounds when you meet him
something caused the obsession
mighty warren
Revenant is so itty bitty
the fuck?
i'm as tall as guardian?
proven cloak
though part of it might've just been an ideological shift away from the carians - he isn't wrong about the spells he starts messing with as being 'bigger' or 'more ancient'
old brook
Carians ain't too faith-y about it either
proven cloak
Carians ain't too *faith-y* about it either
idk how much I'd actually agree with this
they dont use the faith stat, but the way they value the moon in descriptions isn't really meaningfully different
its about beauty, right?
proven cloak
'why' value the moon over anything else is a sort of faith
'cause its pretty' is actually the same reason Executor gives for following the Erdtree
"It never fails to make my heart move"
proven cloak
There's a different energy
well its like
the moon-focused conspectus crown is different from the others
cause it has a sort of awestruck expression
trim owl
the fuck?
i'm as tall as guardian?
the souls protag has always been on the short side compared to everything else in the game
proven cloak
theres definitely some strong emotional reaction going on with the moon-followers
I guess the comet one is mouth agape too
but looks little more pained
proven cloak
I love it when wizards look goofy
old brook
Me too but just the logistics of these
old brook
And the thought of what it's like inside there
proven cloak
maybe an ascetic thing, or a way to try and make students undergo some ego death?
old brook
"I only want my senses devoted to The Path"
proven cloak
you have to earn the right to cover your face with someone more legendary and renowned than you
proven cloak
they worked out at the library
old brook
Can't make a Bigger Hat than Logan so needed density
charred crane
Dip yo head in wax rn
proven cloak
"I only want my senses devoted to The Path"
this is (and I promise I don't think about 'feet lore' this was just idle speculation) why I think they wear just robes and go barefoot
mighty warren
the souls protag has always been on the short side compared to everything else i...
Fair enough, just caught me off guard given the fact he's not human
proven cloak
'grounded' to the earth
so they can let their minds, the real important thing, be undistracted
and free to comprehend the cosmos or whatever
its almost monastic
charred crane
Comprehend my +10 Greatsword nerd
old brook
But also they're mean to my man Thops so their focus and comprehension are for not
proven cloak
But also they're mean to my man Thops so their focus and comprehension are for n...
yeah I like this bit
at the end of the day
glossy delta
Brother can't parry jump attacks or charged R2s from ultra weapons, hes cooked
proven cloak
despite their academic focus, the wizards aren't immune to bias or ideology
charred crane
Shoulda been Rellana
proven cloak
they end up with their own dogmatism!
old brook
They all wear masks that look like their founders they're 100% bias
proven cloak
which plays well with the overall theme about searching for purpose, imo
proven cloak
you can arrive through faith, you can arrive through study, you can follow whatever path you want
old brook
But also if your punkass little castle can make Leyndell fight to a standstill I might get smug too
proven cloak
all in all though most people are looking for the same shit
proven cloak
what does the moon and stars matter, with Yuri gone?
and its often nostalgia related
you can't logic your way into meaning
sorry Radagon
glossy delta
I think the stone crowns are really sort of like
Pageantry
They're gaudy and impractical
They're making glintstone peacock feathers for themselves to show to everyone that they're the real scholars of sorcery
charred crane
Rellana can hang, Rogier can hang
glossy delta
(I forgot what one of those words means, many such cases)
proven cloak
😭 what did Rogier do
charred crane
Can hang as in "is cool"
old brook
Rogier why are you the way you are
proven cloak
oh lmao
old brook
Nobody else is remotely you-ish
proven cloak
Rogier why are you the way you are
bad breakups will do that to you
proven cloak
I got Rogier on that old 'which elden ring npc are you'
and I had a half second of wanting to argue but then was like you know
fair
it could be worse
old brook
Anyone that gets Seluvis allowed a reroll
proven cloak
my ass in the lands between probably would wander around with some minor magic going 'isnt it cool how societies can change' before dying horribly
poking something I shouldn't have
old brook
'Goddamn that rat is huge-'
charred crane
And Rellana is cool because. I mean look at her. What the fuck
Favorite boss from the dlc hands down
old brook
Messmer is just.. ogh
charred crane
A rapscallion
old brook
Normally sadboy isn't my favorite
charred crane
A miserable pile of secrets
proven cloak
A rapscallion
likely dastard
old brook
But this one is so sad and so shaped
proven cloak
could this be a Snake?
old brook
Also the voice actor is great
charred crane
I do like messmer, he was pretty cool the giga snake attack can take a hike tho
glossy delta
Messmer's second phase and wider Deal was one of the few things I didn't get spoiled on for the DLC and it hitttttt
old brook
'Thou'rt Tarnished, it seemeth.' /barely constrained outrage and confusion
proven cloak
Messmer's second phase and wider Deal was one of the few things I didn't get spo...
during the cutscene I gasped out loud first time
'No Way, he's not-'
charred crane
Sleeper great boss. Yoda
old brook
Nobody could have predicted Yoda
charred crane
It's just a very breakneck fight. I liked the pace
glossy delta
It was less the eye itself and more
The zoom in on the writhing coils within the socket and then
BASE SERPENT MESSMER
'Oh something is badly wrong with this MFer'
proven cloak
It was less the eye itself and more
The zoom in on the writhing coils within the...
yeah I guessed the eye would come out from the trailers
but seeing the shadow rise in the background?
🔥 🔥 🔥
proven cloak
Also the voice actor is great
hornsent also deserves mention here
his delivery during the fight and afterwards is so raw
old brook
Everyone tbqh
glossy delta
True! Shadows of the Erdtree has the best writing and voice acting of their games imo
I have some pretty severe gripes with it but I still quite love it
It's 75% of a 10/10 work
proven cloak
I just really like the hornsent / messmer parallels
I dont think its a coincidence he's the npc whose most interested in Messmer. Elevates both their characters.
old brook
mgs5 is so 75% of something that i can't quite call anything else 75%
That's wholly unrelated but that's what the description brought to mind
cinder jay
estrogen wouldn't fix him but it would be very funny
For some reason I thought you were talking about Yhorm from DS3, having forgotten about Ymir in ER.
Which would have made the fight funny indeed.
frozen olive
one more nightlord down, Fulghor is kill
now i only have Fissure in the Fog and Equilibrious Beast expeditions left to do
then it's onto that fuckass bitch, the Nightlord
frozen olive
Caligo down, now only Equilibrious Beast remains
ended up having Rennala's staff twice today
got to see Dancer of the Boreal Valley and Nameless King today as well which was fun
thin stratus
I GOT NIGHTREIGN WORKING HELL YEAH
all i had to do was replace my laptop fans which had mcfukin died
no wonder it was getting too hot to run nightreing lmao
frozen olive
nice
proven cloak
and the hawk, too
sleek plover
a
thin stratus
is there a server password for passowrded multiplayer? lancer i guess lol
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Does “draw aggro while guarding” stack?
glossy delta
So: ||Raids are a seperate thing from when you fight them as night bosses||
||On rare occasions a map event will happen where you can go and fight a reduced HP version of a boss that isn't the one you're slated to fight||
arctic geyser
have uhh
yes
also
sentient pest raid
is so fuckin annoying
spoilers ||it spawns locust explosions that steal levels, and can steal levels down all the way to lvl 1||
proven cloak
the reward for it is so good though
||chance for runes on hit||
oooo
wraow
I called the eye thing from the first reveal of Gladius' arena 😇
frozen olive
sentient pest raid
yeah i just got it
had the worst fucking run of all time, genuine all time stinker
still managed to win but it was hot ass
steel scroll
"I'll do one run today" -> damn that was genuinely awful but it was quick so let's run it back -> damn that was genuinely awful but it was quick so let's run it back -> damn that was genuinely awful but it was quick so let's run it back -> okay I get it
wild sierra
||chance for runes on hit||
yeah if you got hit a lot it might not pay off but chances are it will
especially if you're guardian because every tick of your ability has a chance to activate it 😅
frozen olive
THE NIGHTLORD IS SLAIN
that was a really fucking cool fight, wasn't super hard but it was super cool
may have spent all my murk
plush cliffBOT
Reasonable tbh
frozen olive
still fucking malding over the fact that Revenant does not have a Plain Doll skin
absolutely fucking criminal
also not gonna lie
The Nightlord was like
the least dynamic fight i ever did
i had a thing with discus of light
so literally the only thing i did the entire fight
was stand almost entirely still and just spam discus of light
with intermittent "go my minions"
glossy delta
Yeah the Nightlord honestly seems Not Difficult
frozen olive
it's a very fucking cool fight
glossy delta
It is!
frozen olive
watching BonfireVN's video on how the Nightlord looks and
holy SHIT what a fucking design
i didn't fucking see it at all during the fight since i was spamming discus of light from 30 meters away
but holy shit
glossy delta
The thing that always gets me is the random totally normal human arm
The one holding the dagger
frozen olive
Yeahhhhhh
i really love that ||from the back, if you remove the cape, there are straps on the arms and legs, and the one arm is a normal-ish looking human arm||
||it almost looks like there is a whole ass human inside the armor until you see the front and there is just an enormous gaping hole and nothing in it||
TIL that you can break Libras spell charge with damage ults
that is, very useful info i will squirrel away
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Damage ults are great for staggering bosses out of super moves
frozen olive
started watching Rusty's nightreign boss tier list and he immediately said Adel was easy as pie and a boring boss while playing Ironeye and i just pulled this look ngl:
frozen olive
Damage ults are great for staggering bosses out of super moves
i've only ever played Duchess, Recluse and Revenant
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Ah
frozen olive
i genuinely have never used a damage ult in my almost 30 hours of gametime
actually i think i used Wylders like, a few times beating tutorial Margit
glossy delta
started watching Rusty's nightreign boss tier list and he immediately said Adel ...
Honestly, as Ironeye
I agree
Adel's body is custom made to catch all three arrows from ironeye's bow heavies and he can avoid all the AOEs pretty easy
frozen olive
yeah but saying the grappler boss is dogshit as you play the ranged character shooting from 100 meters away is not the best wholesale opinion
if this was a "fighting bosses as ironeye" tierlist it would be fine but it isn't
glossy delta
Yeeee, if you're playing Raider or Executor or something the situation is much more complex
frozen olive
as a Revenant main, nah that man is scary as shit
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Adel is weird, our first time against him he was extremely easy but every other time he’s been a pain
frozen olive
there is approximately no good poison options for Revenant, again unlike for Ironeye
me and my friends got low-key cooked by him
then our Ironeye brought a poison bow using a relic for starting poison and upgrading it, and we cooked Adel so hard none of us even went down during the fight
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Ironeye is cracked tbh
glossy delta
Ironeye my beloved
Wild that his skill is a dodge on top of applying the mark
Better defensive option on average than executor's sword
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We’ve been trying out executor and his sword doesn’t seem all that useful most of the time
Namoeleon (ping me about D&D 4e) ↩️
frozen olive
Sebastian is actually goated at aggro pulling even if he dies immediately
you can genuinely like
hardpull Nightlords using him
real shadow
I fucking hate Adel
glossy delta
Executor's sword feels very enemy dependent for actual sane, normal, non-ongbal use
Like its great for like
Crucible knights and tree sentinels and such
But not like
Adel
real shadow
Don't play for like 10 days, get to Adel 2nd try, beef it because he moves just too fucking fast
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Ongbal?
glossy delta
That youtuber who no hits every fromsoft game
frozen olive
Ongbal is a youtuber who does insane no hit runs
real shadow
Had 2 Duchesses on my team and as a Raider it felt like the old man next door having to be carried by his two lesbian neighbors.
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👍
frozen olive
i think they did a SL1 no-hit run on PCR that was crazy
yeah seems Ongbal has already beaten every boss solo
and has started doing no-hit solo runs
this is the type of fuckshit Ongbal generally be on
proven cloak
holy SHIT what a fucking design
what got me that I never noticed was ||how its first phase extra weapons are nailed to its body + other limbs||
metal detail
frozen olive
what got me that I never noticed was ||how its first phase extra weapons are nai...
yeah!
it's such a cool design
ember isle
started watching Rusty's nightreign boss tier list and he immediately said Adel ...
Rusty tbh went from like "new game lets get into it" to "damn playing games is a chore, how do I make it go faster" type beat
frozen olive
sorta just constantly negative on stuff nowadays i feel
ember isle
Like talking about how a lot of the "lesser named AC character bosses" where not memorable along with a lot of footage of the double zimmerman strat
frozen olive
mhm
proven cloak
esp given ||the helmets||
ember isle
Like yeah you don't know a lot about those guys if you instant stagger them to death
But he's funny in a ragebait sense, like talking about Midra being one of his favorite bosses but focusing entirely on how his old man phase screwed his buffing over the first time without listing any of why he actually liked the boss lol
ember isle
Me too
frozen olive
you can talk about the game without describing everything in terms of how little you like it
ember isle
Rewatched his ac video objectively and was like "ahhh zimmermans"
(nothing wrong with zimmermans tbh, they work but like daaaaaaaaaawg)
real shadow
sorta just constantly negative on stuff nowadays i feel
Kinda feels like he knows his ranking videos get the most views and that he doesn't like that he's stuck doing that but y'know, gotta pay the bills.
frozen olive
i know he's kinda made this his brand but it feels like he's hateplaying at this point
frozen olive
Kinda feels like he knows his ranking videos get the most views and that he does...
yeah
ember isle
Its a job now for him
real shadow
Miss Chalice 🙏
feral linden
I wonder how much of the original DS3 Night King / Pontiff stuff got
I think a good amount
Final boss looks like Punished Sulyvahn
frozen olive
Miss Chalice 🙏
used to watch a lot of Vaati stuff since i felt he was a good channel for it but i have swapped entirely to Miss Chalice since i found her channel
frozen olive
tier list guy
real shadow
used to watch a lot of Vaati stuff since i felt he was a good channel for it but...
She's got a way with presenting stuff that's both chill and enthralling that just draws you in.
frozen olive
She's got a way with presenting stuff that's both chill and enthralling that jus...
yeah
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…okay
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Miss Chalice?
Freyja of the Nightless Night ↩️
frozen olive
she talks about stuff in a way that engages my brain enough that i don't drift as much
ember isle
I thought we were still talking about Vaati and I was like Vaati is a she?
frozen olive
so i can focus on what she is saying while also playing or doing whatever it is i am doing
ember isle
then I was like Oh, Miss Chalice
frozen olive
Miss Chalice?
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👍
real shadow
She does a bunch of deep dives into games, mostly Fromsoft, and has just...the most soothing voice.
frozen olive
yeah her voice is incredibly soothing and nice to listen to
real shadow
she also looks like someone I once had a crush on
frozen olive
one of the reasons i particularly liked Vaati was that he had a very calm and like, low voice
very similar with Miss Chalice, but i kinda prefer how she presents stuff
real shadow
Yeah. I like her little bit of self-deprecation about her gaming skills, feels real.
frozen olive
also i didn't consider it before but i saw a comment about the fact that killing Caligo is like burning down the Library of Alexandria and i gotta think about that for a bit tbh
also no idea why but i thought of Caligo as female for some reason
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The Iron Menial is amazing 😌
arctic geyser
started watching Rusty's nightreign boss tier list and he immediately said Adel ...
adel is considered easiest by most yeh
doggo would be easier if they didn't have the split
frozen olive
honestly i still think Gladius is easier
arctic geyser
which one is glad?
frozen olive
dog
the split honestly isn't that bad
i guess if you're solo it's probably not super fun?
decided that there is a somber sort of beauty to the nightlords in a way
arctic geyser
adel feels like a dark souls 1 boss
frozen olive
mostly the ones like Gnoster, Augur and Caligo
arctic geyser
no weird animations or mechanics
doggo is like tokyo drifter without the drift, swiper but can split
I'm surprised no booba boss like dark souls 1
frozen olive
?
arctic geyser
no girls, just random creatures and knights
arctic geyser
tbf I haven't played much of ds2 or ds3
frozen olive
Gnoster, Wisdom of the Night is my fav
arctic geyser
and I still need to buy elden ring 
frozen olive
Gnoster, Wisdom of the Night is my fav
the whole duo thing is implemented interestingly, the designs of both the Moth and the Shears are super cool, the fight itself is just fucking beautiful
and the music is just sublime
plush cliffBOT
We like how the two of them are just working together, they’re friends 😌
frozen olive
it's such a like, beautiful boss
is the way i'd put it i guess
symbiosis, friendship
plush cliffBOT
You know it might be a parasite thing righ-
Sophia (She/Her) | The Labrynth Princess ↩️
frozen olive
the way that the world just kinda, blooms
when they work together
simply an incredible fight
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Friends
Rose (It/Its) | The Labrynth Doll ↩️
arctic geyser
I think the best boss is night aspect
toughest boss with randos is bell bearing hunter
frozen olive
real
if they had made Bell Bearing Hunter all 7 night lords the Nightlord wouldn't have even needed to show up
real shadow
I have yet to beat a second night lord.
Gnoster was the closest but lol, laser beam.
real shadow
We got it down to like 1/5th its health.
frozen olive
damn that's rough
real shadow
Previous run had both my companions just dip so I wandered around by my lonesome until I just let the dragon soldier on day 2 kill me.
ember isle
gnoster freight trained me just now, lost the run sadly
proven cloak
We like how the two of them are just working together, they’re friends 😌
ever since an elden ring artist I follow called it 'punk girl and her ballet boyfriend' I can't stop thinking of the shears as a girl bug
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Our attempts at defeating the final boss ||with the silver tear equipped to finish Wylder's remembrance quest|| are going well
||The silver tear being one of the relics of all time is not helping much||
Unrelated, the ornamental straight swords are awesome in this game 😌
frozen olive
ever since an elden ring artist I follow called it 'punk girl and her ballet boy...
based
honestly
i thought of Moth and Shears as a girl bug and a boy bug just cause two creatures doing stuff together
honestly it could just be yuri
but i kinda like Shears as punk girl and Moth as Ballet Boyfriend
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Revenant remembrance spoilers: Have a fanart
||https://bsky.app/profile/pin-ku.bsky.social/post/3lrkkrrvqv223||
frozen olive
damn that's good
steel scroll
imagining a guy; guy who beats gladius and immediately turns off the game. "i killed the nightlord, that's the end."
obtuse halo
I’ve been cracking this exact joke with some friends yeah
“Oh wow, you beat nightreign first try in like half an hour? That was quick.”
steel scroll
first try... :ooo
i really should play with some friends instead of the earthworm-infested controllers the game keeps queueing me with
feral linden
Pursuer....
steel scroll
Triple fight against Big Armour Guys from each of the ds games
obtuse halo
I would lose my shit if Nightreign added ||Three Dragonriders||
languid tiger
