Bosses I felt I cheated
#Elden Ring (DLC hype room)
old brook
Oh they're kind of wildly vulnerable to bleed specifically
hybrid perch
The thing in mountain top of the giants the kindred
kind garden
you're killing bleed-weak enemies with bleed
hybrid perch
Oh they're kind of wildly vulnerable to bleed specifically
Oh so that’s why everything just dies
Ah
hybrid perch
The thing in mountain top of the giants the kindred
Another one I used glintstone breath on and it died really quickly as well
hybrid perch
Bleeding does make Mohg do 20% more damage for a while though
So me and mohg are on equal footing
kind garden
the Black Kindred...?
kind garden
those things aren't even weak to Magic lol
kind garden
I mean, are you playing Arcane with the dragon communion seal?
kind garden
then you're getting your statpoints' worth out of ARC casting
it's pretty high-damaging but the utility is pretty low, so watch out for the inevitable bosses that just don't respect any of your gimmicks
hybrid perch
Alr, also what I mean with I don’t need skill is those weird mohg royals keep attacking me and I can just spam reduvias ash of war like 5 times and they’re gone
kind garden
yeah that's intended
Mohg faction members are very VERY weak to Bleed
but a bunch of them will also power up if you bleed them, so if you don't kill them fast enough they'll fold you
hybrid perch
So I’m not commuting some grievous sin with my build?
Cuz like I recently started a new game that’s mostly dex based and there I die way more often but it’s still fun
Mohg time
kind garden
ARC-max is Elden Ring's most committal, all-damage build
hybrid perch
Alr this is what I mean, second try, halved his health bar
In like a minute or two without really trying more learning his moveset
Used 2 casts of rot breath
One cast of special glintstone breath
A bit of lightning
kind garden
the downside being that you miss out on a lot of defensive options, utility, actually good ranged spells, the ability to null certain status effects, etc.
hybrid perch
And when he did his big attack I used reduvias ash of war
old brook
Rot Breath is sort of a classic mogh obliterator
kind garden
And you don't get any absorbtion buffs from levelling ARC, which will eventually hurt
hybrid perch
So arc is intended to just nuke everything?
kind garden
yeah
hybrid perch
Rot Breath is sort of a classic mogh obliterator
OHHHH
kind garden
all damage, none anything else
hybrid perch
Alr I’ll switch that out
old brook
They've had to nerf it a few times but it's still p potent
Used to be absolute nightmare in pvp
hybrid perch
I tend to use rot bc it keeps the pressure on
kind garden
ARC pvp builds are characterized by having one nuclear damage gimmick and generally little other recourse
hybrid perch
my current spells, anything I need to change out besides rot so it's fun to kill mohg?
kind garden
whether that damage gimmick is seppuku 2kats, hypermode, nihil, etc. is up to the specific build
old brook
Seppuku with Rogier's Rapier + Some Other Rapier is also delightful
kind garden
oh and the wacky chainhits setup, but that's more of a Dex/Fai thing now thanks to finally getting a dedicated chain hits weapon
hybrid perch
oh and the wacky chainhits setup, but that's more of a Dex/Fai thing now thanks ...
the one in the dlc?
kind garden
yea
kind garden
where are you fighting Mohg
hybrid perch
where are you fighting Mohg
ye
hybrid perch
alr
kind garden
oh also hold up
hybrid perch
?
kind garden
you got Mohg to 50% health right out the gate yeah
hybrid perch
ye
I have the crystal tear
that's why I was able to got some sweet hits with reduvia
hybrid perch
alr
frozen olive
the Mohginator is a challenge for sure
hybrid perch
also I changed two incants (unendurable frenzy and rot breath) for greyolls roar
that's chill right?
frozen olive
sure
idk if you'll be able to pop it off against Mohg cause i've never used Greyolls roar but if you can that should be pretty good
kind garden
Greyoll's is a weird incant
it's a giant AoE of heavy stagger hits but pretty low damage, plus a VERY good debuff effect
hybrid perch
I think i didn't hit him
cuz like he didn't have an aura or anything indicating the debuff hit him
ye idk
at least now he's harder :)
still very easy to get like 2 thirds of his hp pool
old brook
Now this just sounds like bragging :p
Also if you're still dying it can't be that easy smh
hybrid perch
Also if you're still dying it can't be that easy smh
but that's the fun part
learning
and like seeing how you get better
also I just found out that his phasechange heals him
frozen olive
hitting the NIHIL, NIHIL, NIHIL!
hybrid perch
ye I don't take damage
maybe not bleed him during that
ye, this gotta be like on of my favourite boss fights ngl
frozen olive
my fave is a bit later in the game
hybrid perch
which one?
you guys think I'll beat him in the next 20 minutes?
then I have SOOO much time for the dlc
old brook
Wait how'd you get dual blades without beating him anyhow
hybrid perch
Wait how'd you get dual blades without beating him anyhow
wdym?
oh mb they're called twinblades
hybrid perch
I want those
old brook
they have a fun moveset
hybrid perch
so, the one attack I can't really dodge well is the exploding blood claw thingy
any advice?
also I like his combo, if you get hit you take big damage but it's fairly easy to dodge and gives nice damage windows
old brook
my main Mohg Problem was that overhead slam, idk what about it but i just never believed i was in range or it'd come out when it does
or the like ground-skewer
hybrid perch
ye that one has a funny hitbox I just found out
old brook
his weapon is neat, makes him not just Swiping Around Constantly
hybrid perch
and if you're close enough you can go under the spear with certain attacks, man this game has nice hitboxes
kind garden
Oh so you didn’t know that reducing Mohg to 50% HP out the gate doesn’t mean much beforehand huh
kind garden
so, the one attack I can't really dodge well is the exploding blood claw thingy
It’s a delayed attack, the initial hitbox is extremely weak but the explosion hits hard and triggers a blood flame debuff
Block, then roll
hybrid perch
Oh so you didn’t know that reducing Mohg to 50% HP out the gate doesn’t mean muc...
lowest I got him was with the rot breath which was like 2 thirds gone
kind garden
Some
hybrid perch
so a parrying dagger would make sense?
kind garden
Not in Elden Ring, parrying daggers are bad as dedicated parrying tools compared to med shields with a specialized parry Ash
vestal night
yeah the parry ashes just reign supreme unfortunately
hybrid perch
I was planing on putting parry on the Misericorde
kind garden
I wouldn’t call it unfortunate, parrying daggers have a niche
They give you access to power stance and parrying at the same time
Which is actually extremely powerful IMO, any weapon you can gain a defensive option with left-hand enables a very strong power stance
obtuse halo
Golden Parry got mega nerfed at some point so it's a little less dramatic now, but yeah storm wall and carian retaliation are noticeably better than what a parrying dagger brings to the fold
kind garden
Really, what I think is unfortunate is the existence of ash Bloodhound Step
Even post-nerfs
obtuse halo
also annoyingly parrying dagger has been kind of robbed of its niche by the ash system in general, you can put the regular parry ash on any dagger you want
Ugh, yeah.
kind garden
It makes BH Step a universal option for all power stances
obtuse halo
if parrying dagger could take carian retaliation and storm wall (unlike other daggers) there'd be a lot more reason to use it
as is the only thing it has going for it is default parry and technically s-rank dex scaling (but not in a way that really translates to impressive damage)
hybrid perch
also does it matter if a buy the dlc before or after the fight?
obtuse halo
it does not
obtuse halo
as is the only thing it has going for it is default parry and technically s-rank...
(as in, if you want to put a parry ash on a dagger, use misericorde so you at least get high damage out of the riposte crit)
hybrid perch
just realised I don't even have the parry ash of war
old brook
I love when a build has enough weight leftover for a misericorde, but i'm usually carrying too many weapons to begin with
obtuse halo
lol
hybrid perch
I love when a build has enough weight leftover for a misericorde, but i'm usuall...
I have more than enough weight remaining
also I'm making progress with the bossfight!
obtuse halo
I tend to fashion build and like lighter looks so I usually don't have weight problems unless i'm trying to lightroll
hybrid perch
I tend to fashion build and like lighter looks so I usually don't have weight pr...
I'm using like super light stuff rn
obtuse halo
I hear you, ER is probably the game where I put the least points in Endurance
hybrid perch
bc it's pretty
obtuse halo
You actually start with a pretty generous stamina bar compared to other games I think
old brook
At least it's Endurance and not just a seperate stat
hybrid perch
I need to look good when I fight demogods
obtuse halo
classes tend to feel like they start with enough stam to function
frozen olive
i always overlevel like hell so i put a lot of points into weird places
old brook
The only time in a Souls i've really wanted to stamina is Burial Blade
that thing is DEMANDING
obtuse halo
vs like DS2 where most starting classes will run out very quick and it's very easy to run out
Weirdly the most stam-intensive strategy I've encountered in ER has definitely been archery.
vestal night
DS2 its mostly that rolling and attacking are more committal
kind garden
Bloodborne will chew up your stamina pretty badly in general honestly
old brook
But it's really a 'please, help me, my family is starving for equip load' while carrying 55 pounds of swords
kind garden
Amygdala Arm and Holy Moonlight come to mind
vestal night
I don't think I leveled any Endurance in ER, and I never really felt that that short on stamina
admittedly I was a mage
hybrid perch
god I keep rolling into his attacks
old brook
Fromsoft has gotten too good at knowing when folks will want to dodgeroll
obtuse halo
Mogh is a tough fight for rollcatching - I think he's a lot easier than Malenia for the most part, but in melee he's drastically harder than with any strat that doesn't require you to stay on his ass. Just because he has tricky timings and a lot of nasty area denial to try to stay on top of throughout the fight
frozen olive
i can't remember how i beat him tbh
Malenia i just kinda said "Nah, i'd win" and did the good old Flamberge 1v1
obtuse halo
Archery is not good, but Archery Mogh was actually comically easy. I did it in two tries, and the first try was a mutual kill (it didn't count because he has a long death speech)
hybrid perch
I could just get rot breath again but nah that feels wrong
obtuse halo
Weirdly the most stam-intensive strategy I've encountered in ER has _definitely_...
For the record the main reason for this is you need to be constantly jumping and rolling to use archery to any effect, so you're effectively adding the cost of a roll or a jump to every attack you make.
kind garden
I’m gonna be honest, my strat for solo against most of the really hard bosses was to just grit my teeth and parry better
obtuse halo
if you're efficient, you can attack and dodge at the same time, but the unnecessary acrobatics are pretty goofy when you have an opening and aren't in danger.
kind garden
Sometimes with an Executioner’s Greataxe because of the ridiculous base damage + 1.35x crit
obtuse halo
archery demands you act like legolas and this amuses me consistently
What makes me laugh is Morgott is generally on the easy side relative to his zone, but probably the hardest boss to reliably parry in the game.
Lots of unparriable attacks mixed in with parriable attacks with downright tiny windows
kind garden
Yeah I just went monkey mode on Morgott because parrying him is unreasonable
hybrid perch
he's harder than I thought
old brook
Who trained you Morgott why do you kick so much ass
Just a little guy in the sewers mimicking Knightly Stances
obtuse halo
anyway I think my archer is the highest I've ever actually raised END in ER and I'm barely using the weight capacity
at some point I shrugged and added the lion greatbow to my walking-around equipment because it didn't matter and I could still lightroll
vestal night
Fromsoft has gotten too good at knowing when folks will want to dodgeroll
I don't really like how much rollcatching there is in ER tbh
just feels like almost every enemy does it
obtuse halo
yeah it gets kind of obnoxious at times
hybrid perch
bro keeps spamming the same move
vestal night
so many attack strings just feel delayed just enough to catch you mid roll if you roll when its intuitive
hybrid perch
it's like the second attack in his combo and the exploding blood that catch me
fuck it I'll get some self buffs bc I don't have windows for big damage incants
obtuse halo
Rot Breath during the opening part of the fight actually can make your life a lot easier, and that's usually the best window for doing any big single thing
hybrid perch
I put away rot breath bc it felt cheap
obtuse halo
other than that he's weak to bleed ("Oh no! As the lord of blood, I need my blood to do things!") but does have Lord of Blood Exultation and gains a damage buff whenever either of you bleeds
hybrid perch
like the time I used rot breath I got him down really fast
obtuse halo
my strat for killing him as an archer was just peppering him with bloodbone arrows until he died
hybrid perch
is he weak to poison or lightning or sleep?
obtuse halo
Poison has the same values as Rot, so pretty average for a lategame bosss
Sleep he's resistant but not immune to
I think it only staggers him though
obtuse halo
Lightning he has the same resist as he does to magic, which is middling. He's weakest to physical of common damage types
Frost is the same as poison/rot for this
hybrid perch
so like alr?
median rock
if youre not dealing a ton of damage to him poison and rot are probably better than frost
obtuse halo
like, here's the numbers
hybrid perch
I'm barely not hitting the phase change
hybrid perch
like, here's the numbers
thx
median rock
since his resistances will get high enough after a couple frost procs, you're not going to be getting that many frosts off over the course of the fight
and the main sell of frost vs one of the other statuses is that it buffs your damage while its still active - so if youre not capitalizing on that in the frosts you get, not worth it
obtuse halo
tbh it's funny that they list madness resistance for bosses. Only a handful of enemies in the game aren't immune to it
median rock
poison and rot will be more damage, almost certainly
obtuse halo
It's pretty bad as a status in PvE, madness spells are just carried by shockingly good base damage, the status is a bonus
hybrid perch
am I allowed to use spirit thingies or is that also an easy way out?
obtuse halo
You're allowed to use whatever you want
don't let gatekeepers tell you how to live your life
frozen olive
they are in the game
median rock
however u want to play the game. sometimes i have fun summoning landsquirts by themselves though
like no contribution from me
frozen olive
for you to use them
median rock
just watching the landsquirts try to 1v1 mohg
hybrid perch
You're allowed to use whatever you want
the whole reason I'm not using ro breath is bc I want to feel like I earned victory
obtuse halo
winning is winning
hybrid perch
I could use the jellyfish
frozen olive
winning is winning yeah
obtuse halo
if the boss is dead you beat it imo
kind garden
Winning is winning, you don’t have to play nice lmao
hybrid perch
winning is winning
if I just spam reduvia and don't move not really imo
frozen olive
you get to pick what winning looks like
obtuse halo
I think the only serious line I'd draw is maybe summoning another player and letting them solo the boss for you. that one's probably them winning 😛
frozen olive
just do whatever helps you win
hybrid perch
I have mohgs shackle
frozen olive
i used summons for like the whole dlc but i went back and fought the hardest boss again solo cause i wanted that earned win
shit was tough as hell
hybrid perch
I think the only serious line I'd draw is _maybe_ summoning another player and l...
did that with astel bc I was horribly underleveled
kind garden
Tbh I let another player take point for my PCR fight but I also did all the damage lol
hybrid perch
i used summons for like the whole dlc but i went back and fought the hardest bos...
that's what I mean, I stil beat the boss but like it doesn't feel earned
frozen olive
which reminds me i do need to play through SOTE again and 1v1 all of the bosses
median rock
I have mohgs shackle
im assuming youre aware but the shackle only works in the first phase, and only twice period
hybrid perch
I'm gonna use mimic tear on godskin duo so it's a fair fight lmao
kind garden
Whoever the legend grinding coop boss fights out with nothing but full ambergris armour and the greatshield is
median rock
(mostly just - don't save it for phase 2, lol)
kind garden
That guy is the best
hybrid perch
im assuming youre aware but the shackle only works in the first phase, and only ...
I wasn't, didn't even know I have it
frozen olive
i used summons for every boss so i wanna go back and beat the shit out of those bosses again solo
median rock
ah, fun
then yeah - mohg's shackle has a pretty short activation time, and will throw him to the ground (effectively stunning) for a couple seconds. like 2.5, maybe
obtuse halo
yeah if you can get the timing down, it's a DIY opening
median rock
good for a damage window, but make sure you're up close. you don't want to waste time having to run towards him before hitting him
obtuse halo
i used summons for like the whole dlc but i went back and fought the hardest bos...
I still haven't figured out archery-only PCR
the rest of the DLC yes, but PCR is toooough.
kind garden
Do the stealth strat lol
median rock
and then yeah don't bother waiting. mohg effectively phase transitions at like, the 66% hp mark (counting the extra hp he gets on phase transition), so you might as well get the stun while it works
obtuse halo
lol
kind garden
Oh also fun fact
hybrid perch
hmm, I have enough runearcs forever, if I use the shackle that'll be big damage, either greyolls roar doesn't do anything or I'm too far away, I'll also get parry on misericorde
kind garden
With Mohg’s Shackle and sufficient damage output, you can win the fight before he transforms
median rock
hmm, I have enough runearcs forever, if I use the shackle that'll be big damage,...
parry on misericode is a scam
parry frames r decided loosely by weapon class
hybrid perch
parry on misericode is a scam
obtuse halo
parry on misericorde is one of those things that is only good if you're a parry god already
median rock
with the 2 fancy ashes of war that parry (carian retaliation & golden parry) not caring
kind garden
Yeah just use the med shield if you want to parry
median rock
no, use a small shield, or a medium shield if you can put carian/golden parry on it
obtuse halo
that said daggers have better parry frames than most things that aren't small shields or the special ashes
so it's not as dire as it could be
hybrid perch
any ideas for the setup?
median rock
weapons/medium shields r about the same i think
theyre both like 7-8 active frames or something
obtuse halo
one of my friends learned that curved swords could parry and tried it and didn't believe me because he couldn't parry a godrick soldier correctly in a hundred tries
"By now I should have at least got it right by accident!"
languid tiger
one of my friends learned that curved swords could parry and tried it and didn't...
L
your friend would not survive ds2 parries
median rock
any ideas for the setup?
what're your stats like
hybrid perch
idk if I have enough weight left fot that
obtuse halo
But yeah med shield with storm wall or carian retaliation is the "best" parry tool
median rock
and what seal are you using? assuming lightning spear is your main damage tool?
median rock
so +10 dragon communion seal?
obtuse halo
though some people swear by the buckler
languid tiger
bring back the colossal weapon slow parry...
hybrid perch
so +10 dragon communion seal?
yep
languid tiger
though some people swear by the buckler
me
kind garden
Slow Parry so funny
languid tiger
buckle or nuckle
kind garden
I’m also a caestus parry enjoyer tbh
median rock
buckler is nice because its like. the least ugly of the infuseable small shields imo
obtuse halo
My only small shield build is my trolly invader
languid tiger
buckler just feels like home
obtuse halo
but that's the coil shield, and I both cannot and do not parry with it
languid tiger
I’m also a caestus parry enjoyer tbh
i deeply respect this one as well, however
because yeah, caestus parrying is another classic
kind garden
Just playing the hits
obtuse halo
Secret strat: Infuse a buckler with Lightning Shield Bash. People in pvp will see a buckler come out and will be trying to play around getting parried.
median rock
any ideas for the setup?
if you want to use lightning spears as your main thing id probably say pick up the gravel stone seal from leyndell
obtuse halo
Then you surprise them with a pretty good hit with solid dex scaling
languid tiger
that's pretty based ngl
median rock
seals themed for specific classes of magic (like the dragon seal for dragon spells) grant flat 10-15% bonuses to that class of spell
kind garden
I’ll teach you my secret technique
median rock
but you dont have to wield the seal to use it. being in offhand is OK
kind garden
Fingerprint Stone Shield with Shield Crash is an atrocity
obtuse halo
most of the specialty staves/seals unfortunately aren't very good
median rock
so if you cast from the dragon seal (with the better scaling), but offhand the gravel seal, you'll just get 15% more damage
obtuse halo
The exceptions are quite good though
languid tiger
the fingerprint shield in general is mad fucked up
median rock
the scaling on the gravel stone one isnt worth it to cast from (unless youre dual wielding them in NG+, where its sometimes actually worthwhile) but its nice to offhand
kind garden
Sure is
hybrid perch
if you want to use lightning spears as your main thing id probably say pick up t...
no I just have it bc it often comes in handy
when low fp
obtuse halo
I kind of wish the gravel seal had dex scaling the way clawmark has strength scaling, to match other lightning stuff
also it'd be a nice niche tool for dex-faith spellcasting
kind garden
Madness seal
languid tiger
ehh, dex grants action speed on casts
obtuse halo
Madness seal does have that but it's pretty bad lol
kind garden
It sure is dogshit
languid tiger
the niche for dex/fth is having max cspeed without wasting a tali slot
obtuse halo
That said I do have a character that dual-wields the madness seal and dragon seal
languid tiger
i do get it though
obtuse halo
Cast madness spells from the dragon seal for big damage
languid tiger
i wish there was a str/int catalyst that scaled
frozen olive
i'm a greatsword and seal kinda gal
median rock
no I just have it bc it often comes in handy
ah
obtuse halo
Mogh was pretty rough with that build though
languid tiger
like a fucking glintstone gauntlet
median rock
for the dragon spells themselves then id probably just... not try to cast them in that fight
mohg just doesnt like leaving you time to do those
obtuse halo
yeah the dragon spells tend to be pretty awkward in lategame boss fights
median rock
theyre a lot better in arenas where standing behind them is a valid option to get a damage window (like larger enemies)
kind garden
This post was fact checked by Dragon Communion Cultists: mostly true
Dragon Bite will nuke staggered bosses into oblivion
median rock
if you enjoy using it, reduvia is almost certainly a better option for this fight - daggers can sometimes be annoying on mohg with some of his hitboxes, but the bleed will be very valuable (mohg getting a damage buff from it sucks, but with 45 vigor you're dying in 2 hits anyway)
obtuse halo
Dragon Bite will nuke staggered bosses into oblivion
Okay admittedly I was thinking of the breaths
Dragonmaw fucks, yeah.
median rock
dragon communion cultists can do those things when they have like. actually good setups with it, though. im not sure 50 arcane 30 faith is the pt where dragonmaw becomes super worth it as a gimmick lol
kind garden
Yeah you want to run like
median rock
eleonora's is unfortunately half fire damage
kind garden
60+ ARC for peak Dragonmaw nukes
median rock
so eleonora's is losing around ~40% of its damage, unfortunately
kind garden
And then you go
LOL
LMAO
and rip like half of the boss’s HP bar out
obtuse halo
if you fight him with a fire build it's just like "wow how much fucking hp does this guy have"
median rock
my crowning mohg kill was killing him with a +17 steel torch
obtuse halo
christ
median rock
it was a wild ride
hybrid perch
he just nu uhed the seal
median rock
?
oh
if you use the seal while he's spiking the air and going "tres"/"dos"/"unus" it fails, since he needs to do those to phase transition
you gotta grab him when he's trying to attack normally
hybrid perch
unlucky timing
median rock
yep
obtuse halo
60+ ARC for peak Dragonmaw nukes
For peak dragonmaw nukes, get naked, use the stone heart, throw on the Blue Dancer's Seal...
😛
median rock
also, another decent arcane/bleed weapon if you're not happy with reduvia on that fight - bloody helice
hybrid perch
alr I'll use dragon maw while shackle for phase one, get him to nihil time, dragon maw him and then pray for bleeds
median rock
the ruins in altus along the road, right before the bridge to mt gelmir, have a bloody noble guy in the basemen twho drops it
old brook
my mind insists even still that Helice is a spelling error
obtuse halo
I'm pretty sure SotE oneshot builds just use the fire knight greatsword
hybrid perch
the ruins in altus along the road, right before the bridge to mt gelmir, have a ...
I have it
obtuse halo
for its very good scaling and counterstrike damage
median rock
its a fun weapon
kind garden
Yeah probably, FKGS is omega-cursed
hybrid perch
god I need to lock in now, I want to get into the dlc tpday
kind garden
Flame Art FKGS kills everything except Mohg
median rock
you on PC?
median rock
I'm pretty sure SotE oneshot builds just use the fire knight greatsword
gods strongest dead guy (PK) vs this flower i found on the ground:
hybrid perch
you on PC?
ye
median rock
lmk if you want a summon just for tanking
hybrid perch
weee i hate his heal
median rock
lmaoo
hybrid perch
I would consider whipping out ye olde rot breath
last resort
median rock
huh
what'd you tag him with?
i think greyolls roar has a minor grey vfx
and if he bled he'll sometimes get red streaks from the buff effec
median rock
ahh fun
lmao. loaded up unmodded ER for the first time in a while, and i'd forgotten the last thing i'd been doing was randomized races w a friend
no points for guessing the friend's name
median rock
lock in u got this
real shadow
If you kill him fast enough before he gets to phase 2.
feral linden
Winning is winning
PvE is different from PvP
Even miyazaki uses summons
We dont have all the time in the world if you wanna kill something fast and not waste hours on it do so
(i am late as fuck to the convo i am responding to)
hybrid perch
wtf
he didn't stagger
like huh
so unlucky
didn't have reduvia out when stagger attack
rot time
wasting rune arcs like crazy rn
why does he heal
I'm gonna loose it
I'm tempted
I cheesed him
ah well
now I feel bad
I didn't know I'd need to download the dlc
old brook
it ain't cheese lmao
real shadow
hybrid perch
it ain't cheese lmao
I just threw maw at it until he folded
old brook
An incredibly slow spell that you need to be in sort-of-melee range for
is not cheesing a boss
obtuse halo
the souls community has a weird tendency to conflate "not doing a challenge run" with "cheese" tbh. anything that works, works
even if the strats are occasionally hilarious
I consider my archery-only Commander Niall 100% valid
100% valid
This works on normal builds too btw, you can just grab a bow and poison arrows and kill him from outside the boss arena
it's genuinely so funny
You used to be able to do this with Mogh too but they added an invisible wall there lol
real shadow
lmao are you kidding me you can DO THAT
median rock
lmao are you kidding me you can DO THAT
yeah one of the towers, you can climb up on the wall and just barely tag him inside the arena
and once he aggros he'll make it easier
real shadow
That's hilarious.
median rock
you can also do the whole castle sol skip and get far enough above him to do this with like, spells & skills that arent' arrows
(the one where you jump from the cliffs near castle sol, on a tree with collision, and then jump one more time to make it onto the out of bounds towers)
outer flint
amazing
proven cloak
if you feel this way, unironically try different stuff you aren't familiar with
ultimately the way you engage with the mechanics are up to you
I had a friend in a similar place for 90% of the base game using Bloodhound's Fang, who really started to enjoy it when he started the dlc and swapped weapons every couple dungeons
proven cloak
winning is winning
I got the brainworms where I personally can't feel this way when I do it rip
theres beating the boss, and then theres winning
and I'm chasing that high
(but ofc however someone else is satisfied doing it good for them! At the end of the day, its just toys)
outer flint
started seamless coop with my friend 
fun so far, we gunned it to stormveil, tearing through tree sentinel and margit, but margit might be a little ambitious at level 19 with +0 weapons
so we're off to weeping peninsula
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he said "bitch I'll show you a hammer"
frozen olive
Honestly such a cool mechanic that he can just bitch slap projectiles out of the air
RIP to bow only run but it's kinda fire tho
ember sky
https://youtube.com/shorts/DNBbjO4YuSM?si=JTCWLvjiQXOOLeV8
Grapplers when they finally close the gap on the zoner.
hybrid perch
yo guys, some advice please, what should I level up?
also the dlc is a banger
runes gone now lol
median rock
yo guys, some advice please, what should I level up?
vigor to 60, arcane (assuming it will continue to be your main damage stat) to 60, and possibly endurance to 25 or so (for stamina & the carrycap for better armor)
in no particular order, really
the dlc adds a couple arcane weps, but mostly str/arc. but the new smithing weapons mostly work really well on bleed or occult
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huh, I was talking to a friend about random science stuff today, and realized:
the finger ruins are totally based on Stromatolites visually, right?
early fossils, left by bacterial mats
the oldest fossils, actually
With Metyr's arena (imo) evoking Thermal Vents, and the way the EBs kinda amoeba-like
guess the starborne bosses are just evocative of early life in general
median rock
the finger ruins are *totally* based on Stromatolites visually, right?
interesting, i assumed they were just based on the geologically formed pillars you find in various places acros the world (and then like, finger-ified to fit the setting)
proven cloak
same, but tbh theres a lot of evolutionary and fossil-y things elsewhere too
so it could be a bit of both
like the oldest dragons as rock, who mutated into fleshier forms
theres almost a literalization of ancient life being stone-like, actual living fossils
median rock
yeah no those fingerprint rocks are definitely inspiration, they're just too similar to be anything else
or at least - somebody brought it up at some point in the design process & they took inspiration then, not necessarily the original idea
proven cloak
given glintstone being both a rock and life, how many corpses in the game look petrified (Tutelary dieties, Divine tower fingers, Marika's body) & all the various artificial lives made with spiritually infused stone (Claymen, Golems, Crystallians, Gargoyles- maybe even the Albinaurics?)
I definitely think playing around with the border between rocks and living things was an intentional design goal
Its almost as if all living things come from earth thats just been infused with a little bit of divine spark, a little bit of Gold
theres even natural stone life in the Onyx / Alabaster Lords + Fallingstar Beasts
idk
Nightreign got me thinking about this a little more lmao
the way the setting uses the different metals cause it looks like the Nox might get more stuff in NR
lilac condor
In the same vein, the finger eggs look a lot like giant iron oxide nodules
Iron deposits are the remnants of the oldest oxygen-breathing life
obtuse halo
that sure looks like a hematite doesn't it
proven cloak
If intentional to the visual design, it does feel like pretty strong evidence for Metyr bringing life to the Lands Between
its so fucking cool how many real world scientific concepts are re-interpreted through a fantasy lens in ER
and vice-versa
The parallels elevate the impact
like I've seen a lot of fantasy angels who've come down from the heavens - its not often they summon a pulsar while a song based on the first recorded 'sound' of a black hole plays
its easy to see the first kind as just another enemy, but the second is otherworldly
I almost want to say its more respectful towards the ways older human societies tended to interpret the world? It takes them seriously
Sometimes in fantasy you get the 'oh its just sci-fi the characters are just ignorant of'
ER is more like 'yes, and'-ing it
Something can be a living incarnation of a concept, and a shooting star, and a big fuckoff space-dragon all at once
kind garden
I almost want to say its more respectful towards the ways older human societies ...
it goes extremely hard with this yes
lyric crypt
its *so* fucking cool how many real world scientific concepts are re-interpreted...
Agreed :)
the field lines on Radahn's swords are one of the earliest designs that caught my attention
kind garden
intentionally, too, it's part of the themes of the story that what has been understood as magic or divine will is being reinterpreted as natural law
the refinement of the hero archetype, the refinement of forms of government, the refinement of the alchemical magnum opus and the refinement of magic and alchemy itself into science or something resembling science are kind of all tied together
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mhm
and the repeated sentiment of people not quite getting the whole picture, attached to their understanding of the world
decrying what doesn't fit neatly as heretical
its all just different ways of interpreting (or maybe seeing, given all the eyes?) the same underlying reality
tropic stream
like I've seen a lot of fantasy angels who've come down from the heavens - its n...
wait what the fuck?
When does that happen?
median rock
metyr :)
iirc metyr's ost samples black hole noises some scientists published or something
proven cloak
When does *that* happen?
I'm calling her an angel 25% ironically
she is a divine creature from a higher plane, a star come down to earth, whos body (used to) represent a certain mathematical purity-
but also
she doesnt look like the usual ones lmao
shes a finger bug
and yeah, when her phase 2 OST starts
theres a transition
median rock
i am a big fan of metyr's design, ambiance, etc. everything about her fight
except the mechanics. mechanically it sucks
median rock
but i think the fucked up finger creature in "rom's moonside lake but in a cave" is great
proven cloak
but I don't really have the ear for it
Living Failures did very clearly pull from those pieces, so I wouldn't be surprised if she had it too
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1MTaYhzflU
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but i think the fucked up finger creature in "rom's moonside lake but in a cave"...
she really grew on me
I like the way she takes the repeated thing of people sad + left behind + holding tight to a reminder of what they lost
to such an alien level
median rock
i think my main complaint with metyr is honestly that it's so tedious to get to her, beyond just the fight itself kinda sucking with most weapons. it's appropriate narratively, but i wish there was a way to get to her that didnt involve listening to ymir yap
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I step back, look at her, look at Renalla, look at Messmer, look at Radagon, look at Malenia etc
and just go
man.....
median rock
(and more importantly, that didn't require going all the way through cerulean coast to the first finger ruins. getting to the second set is easy)
gray leaf
it also is a sign that the Greater Will, which is about the furthest thing in the setting from human, is still a negligent parent which abandons its children. As above, so below.
median rock
I like the way she takes the repeated thing of people sad + left behind + holdin...
yeah thematically i think she's my favorite of the dlc bosses, i think. maybe 2nd behind midra
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BB Great Ones fucking FUMING at Elden Ring parents smh
they dont know how good they have it
median rock
my ranking is midra & metyr #1/2, then messmer & tree #3/4
median rock
BB Great Ones fucking FUMING at Elden Ring parents smh
"all i got is my placenta and these stupid fucking wings"
proven cloak
oh you threw two of your kids in the sewers cause they grew some horns. oh its fine cause you've got 'nameless others'. must be real nice.
median rock
oh you threw two of your kids in the sewers cause they grew some horns. oh its f...
me beating the fuck out of a pregnant woman in the bloodborne sewers:
proven cloak
I wouldn't know because I don't have playstation 😔
median rock
(im counting chalice dungeons as sewers)
proven cloak
I guess I'll just have to settle for beating up a pregnant woman in the Finger Cave 🙄
and a single mother, to boot!
median rock
I guess I'll just have to settle for beating up a pregnant woman in the Finger C...
i then proceeded to beat up a pregnant man immediately after, personally
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honestly he might deserve it, what with that Anna puppet
Metyr definitely has one of my favorite themes though
I like how cleanly it tells her story, through just the music ||and lack of, later||
||The 'holy' chords at the start almost immediately shifting a few notes and getting corrupted every time it repeats, the ominous undercurrent, and then it just stops except for the distant echo. It's gone.||
the broken and discarded really do be clinging to fleeting simulacra. and it does give them a modicum of sympathy.
that 'secret hallowed rite' wasn't lying
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found an account posting some stuff from the recent-ish artbook
the one for the dlc
mmmm concept art
none of the enviromental stuff, but
pretty much all of the bosses + a whole ton of weapons
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thats the Stone Sheathed Sword / Sword of Light / Sword of Darkness
its all technically the same weapon, but you get it + swap it using these altars peppered throughout the land of shadow
^ if you saw these
I think it was also a cut base game weapon? It's model was in the game even at launch (Like Euporia!) and just got reused for the dlc
outer flint
ooh, very cool
outer flint
its all technically the same weapon, but you get it + swap it using these altars...
that's SUPER cool
i really like the light one, might pair it with leda's chestpiece
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I think its some sort of thematic point on light and darkness as intertwined
outer flint
close 2nd goes to the stone one
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oh yeah its great for cleric-y builds
outer flint
because it's very funny
obtuse halo
The stone sword is underrated honestly
outer flint
kaBAM
obtuse halo
it's not amazing but it's interesting that it does bash damage with a straight sword moveset
outer flint
i'll definitely keep an eye out when i go through the dlc again
obtuse halo
strike damage rather
outer flint
ooooh
outer flint
that would be nice to have when you're crawling through caves for smithing stones in the early game 😭
smacking the miners
obtuse halo
and it has square off which, while it may not be flashy, has always been good lol
outer flint
what shield is this?
outer flint
hungy lil guy
obtuse halo
Looks like Eclipse Crest Greatshield
obtuse halo
Honestly a banger of a shield, really good defense/weight ratio and it buffs some of your status resists
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I forget how you pick it up
obtuse halo
it drops off of Mausoleum Knights
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is it just a drop?
obtuse halo
yeah
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yeah fair enough
lilac condor
that would be nice to have when you're crawling through caves for smithing stone...
wait do clubs and other strike weapons not bounce off of them?
obtuse halo
i haven't used shields much but they look so cool
Well, if you wanna try a greatshield this is a good choice. 15 weight (on the low end for greatshields), 67-75 Guard Boost depending on upgrade level, and a hefty passive boost to Robustness/Immunity/Focus so you're less vulnerable to all statuses not named Death
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kind of ironic
obtuse halo
It is yeah lol
obtuse halo
Oh, another interesting thing Eclipse Crest has going for it: It's top 3 for Magic Defense
proven cloak
tbh I always assumed the in-game map was even still a little compressed compared to how big it 'should be'
obtuse halo
on par with Moore's and only a little worse than Fingerprint
outer flint
Well, if you wanna try a greatshield this is a good choice. 15 weight (on the lo...
holy moly!
obtuse halo
it's less standout when it comes to lightning/fire/holy but still impressive for its weight
it's just a really stacked shield
outer flint
i will tank for my friend
proven cloak
it's less standout when it comes to lightning/fire/holy but still impressive for...
tbf I wouldn't expect a giant metal shield to be too useful against lightning
outer flint
hmmm, i was planning on going paladin and grabbing heal from afar, but since he's doing some kinda of dex/int, maybe he can shoot me some heal balls once in a while instead if he wants to put stuff into faith too
obtuse halo
yeah that's generally where elden ring falls on shields. Metal shields tend to have mediocre to low lightning defense, wooden ones tend to do better against lightning but poorly against fire.
lilac condor
I was surprised by just how compressed it was. Limgrave is smaller than the average farm, for example
lilac condor
and it's a full kingdom ruled by what would be the largest castle anywhere IRL
proven cloak
thats why I think its just representations of the areas you're going through
architecture is probably to scale, but I assume Marika's village had more than two houses lmao
huh
I never noticed the internal sea in the Lands Between was higher than the external sea
🤔
what a weird detail
no idea how to take it
obtuse halo
Yeah it's wild that you can see the edge from the Beast Sanctuary in Caelid
It's even shown on the map!
lyric crypt
I love being able to see the detail in the wolf crest shield!
Especially the moons: I'm pretty sure the Twins are at the center (which fits Rellana) while the Full is off center
While the Dark moon overshadows them both (in the exact same position as in the age of stars cutscene)
lyric crypt
Yeah! They're such beautiful shields
covert schooner
good lord can you imagine if they went with this scale for Metyr
I can imagine how bad the camera would be :p
proven cloak
real & true
tropic stream
Trying to come up with more builds based around certain aesthetics
a beast incantation one with the divine warrior armor and claw hammer sounds fun
tropic stream
man I'm fuckin scared of fighting Radahn still
mellow silo
Welp I have properly fucked up my playthrough lol. I had intended to stay at RL50 permanently and summon at lower levels, but now I'm at fire giant and I have a +21 weapon. I now cannot summon for anyone ever. I am an ecological anomaly and I can't go back
median rock
commit to the bit, rl50 clear the DLC too
my rl1 dlc playthrough taught me a lot, including that it's worth doing low level runs once to see what they're like, and then never again
languid tiger
frozen olive
lol
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t. Miquella
tropic stream
Can anyone help me with him...
please, I beg of someone
nevermind someone helped me poke him to death
If by some chance you're in this server, Poking Machine
God fuckin bless you
frozen olive
gotta lock in
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yoooo?
I missed this I guess
interesting stuff found in files re: initial art direction for Enir Illm
including
this bit
which is probably the most interesting part
I do really like its blasted-dust look in the final though
proven cloak
Fuck Radahn
but could you imagine?
it would've been nearly beyond parody to put the poison swamp in the final boss room
feral linden
Earthen Peak 2 Mythra Boogaloo
tropic stream
it would've been nearly beyond parody to put the poison swamp *in* the final bos...
absolutely the fuck not
I would have legitimately said no and quit lmao
ember sky
Fromsoft really not beating the poison swamp loving allegations.
feral linden
Im pretty sure Miyazaki admitted it already in an interview
"i cant help it, i love poison swamps" aaa beat
proven cloak
its a good bit
Nightreign dev said there wouldn't be poison swamps because Miyazaki wasn't involved
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the illusion of free choice...
League of Legends <-----> Fromsoft RPGs
Gamer Toxicity
Im honestly
really surprised they didnt do deathblight swamp yet
fleet bronze
really surprised they didnt do deathblight swamp yet
Honestly the run towards the Mensis Nightmare with the giant winter lantern sort of functions this way
languid tiger
the one that will always get me is DS2 poison
bloodborne slow poison is also fucking hilarious
fleet bronze
Though at least Frenzy doesn't just insntantly kill you like deathblight/petrification
frozen olive
bloodborne slow poison is also fucking hilarious
💀
fleet bronze
Honestly DS2 has some really insidious stuff
The corrosive areas are impossibly obnoxious
frozen olive
DS2 was not afraid to get diabolical
i will never forget Frigid Outskirts
not for as long as i live
proven cloak
Honestly DS2 has some really insidious stuff
the curse painting nearly got me
I was looking at enviromental details and then just "what the fuck is happening"
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DS2 was not afraid to get diabolical
or the brume tower npc whos coded to run away into enemies in the darkness
or the jester in shulva, or ofc the Eleum Loyce guy
I think it had the best invaders of any of the games, no question
frozen olive
i didn't like the invaders cause they were all way stronger than me every single time i met any of them and i got curbstomped pretty much every time i had to deal with one
always felt like a pitched battle any time an invader showed up
proven cloak
I kinda like that myself
its a reason I really liked the Forlorn just showing up randomly
frozen olive
it was just kind of annoying for me
especially in areas like that one place in the sunken king dlc where the jester guy invades
i had spent like, all of my spells already before getting to him so the fight there was fucked
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I liked them a little more annoying than ER's (imo forgettable) ones though
frozen olive
they feel honestly a lot more real than invaders in other games
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if I had to pick one side or the other
frozen olive
but they are such pitched fights i just cannot enjoy them
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I liked them a little more annoying than ER's (imo forgettable) ones though
actually do Greatjar and Fia's Champions count?
if so those definitely gave me a lot of grief
mostly the former
"just don't try to get greatjar talisman at level 50" do I look like I quitter
proven cloak
I dont think I even thought of that ever lmao
proven cloak
lol
the slight slope got me a few times
its just enough to sometimes miss a swing I was banking on poise-breaking with
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in ds1 pretty much
right after I beat O&S, feeling like hot shit ("Omg, that was the boss people talk about, I'm so fucking good nothing can stop me!")
walk outside
forget I didn't have the turntable set right, fall off the edge
very humbling
same thing happened in Shadow Keep
jumped the little hole in church distict, made a note to remember it, forgot it after the water-removing cutscene
frail sky
It probably took several employees physically holding Miyazaki back to stop this from happening
feral linden
the mental image is sending me
proven cloak
https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/046/399/stIq7gKIsiQ-IbwjCi9uk63...
yeah he'd have to be downright
swamped
😎
proven cloak
https://bsky.app/profile/demoncorejr.bsky.social/post/3lbnbqof7i222
https://bsk...
another interesting thing about MeatGate is that it underlines something else that survived to existing Enir-Illm - lots of red
same as providing an original reason for the poison goop flowing through Belurat
like obv the whole thing is just
super gold
but pretty much all the time the floor mosaics bring out the gold, its attached with red
(also black)
given the dlcs focus on shadow-and-light, and all the red-and-gold links, its pretty fitting
if the gate itself was originally just a huge bloody gate, it underscores how gold is born from the baser, redder elements and maybe why the blessings dried up when the dark red shadow was removed
which still exists with the gate now, cause of the trailer
just a bit understated
lilac condor
Now I'm wondering if frenzy is involved in the meat gate too. There are weird connections between the fly men and frenzy in the DLC already
or if frenzy and grace are supposed to be paired opposites
both meld/melt everything together, but frenzy just annihilates meaning while grace creates the elden ring that creates an order for the world
lilac condor
if the gate itself was originally just a huge bloody gate, it underscores how go...
That's reflected in the base game too, right? All the crucible era stuff is much more reddish-gold and that's when the erdtree's blessings were flowing freely
removing the red base elements even though they're what seems to make it all work is a running theme
glossy delta
really surprised they didnt do deathblight swamp yet
I feel the central woods in leyndell counts
The one jam packed with wormfaces
proven cloak
That's reflected in the base game too, right? All the crucible era stuff is much...
ya
Imo, its also the reason for Radagon's red hair, or the scarlet rot being the color it is
but those are more speculative than based on like, direct text
frozen olive
I think the coolest thing i saw in SOTE was prolly seeing the crucible tree shit overlaid on the Scadutree
proven cloak
theres a consistent usage of red as 'impurities in gold'
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I think the coolest thing i saw in SOTE was prolly seeing the crucible tree shit...
its interesting with nightreign looking like its adding a white spirit tree
frozen olive
this
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mmm copperg
frozen olive
finding out about it and going to see it was super fucking sick
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its just one of the best colors
frozen olive
oh yeah i should reinstall the co-op mod so i can see if i still have a save file of my first ER character pre-SOTE
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removing the red base elements even though they're what seems to make it all wor...
its notable too that Malenia couldn't be cured by GO fundementalism (if I had to guess, because it didn't see her innate rot as 'something to cure', its unitary: 'All things yearn to converge')
and Miq's solution - what he identifies as the issue with gold-as-it-is
is that its too alloyed
frozen olive
oh sick
proven cloak
it needs to be cleaner, it needs less impurities. I'm not surprised at all ||what happened to his other half, given that.||
proven cloak
nice
like a fuckin
idiot, I NG+'d again right before stopping my ER loops
so my main file has just no sites of grace
which is annoying when I'm like "hmm I need some pics of Malekiths boss arena- ah fuck"
frozen olive
going to just pop my pre-SOTE character into the Seamless save file
lilac condor
you can do that?
frozen olive
might actually just go play SOTE again before i do Demon Souls
proven cloak
og or remaster?
frozen olive
og
lilac condor
I need to figure out ER modding. Kinda want to try convergence
proven cloak
convergence is fun
its spell-rune system is something I wouldn't mind seeing adopted to fromsoft, if they ever make an open world game again
frozen olive
i don't have much in the way of boss completion in SOTE since i did everything with summons
ironically, the only bosses i fought solo in SOTE were i think Divine Beast Dancing Lion since it was the second last boss i fought
and PCR
frozen olive
wtf, this save is pre-malenia somehow...
proven cloak
Now I'm wondering if frenzy is involved in the meat gate too. There are weird co...
(oh before I forget I want to point out that frenzy's two main colors are yellow ie: 'not-gold' and dark red - and that cut content for it calls it the red flame of frenzy + the red eye merchants ty zullie)
so like maybe idk
very noticable red accents
frozen olive
wait what the fuck
i have Scarlet Aeonia
is this NG+???
oh ok yeah it is damn
ng+2 even
well that's unfortunate
lets see if i have any other saves that might be pre-sote but not on ng+
actually since i'm doing seamless save i can just download a 100% save base game save file
frozen olive
ok got a character downloaded
tropic stream
I love making a dex/int build with exactly the int level for stars of ruin
peak funny
frozen olive
doing int/faith because it's peak and i'm trying to decide what weapons to use
maybe i won't do int/faith this time
i always end up just doing melee shit against bosses anyway
tropic stream
doing int/faith because it's peak and i'm trying to decide what weapons to use
the twin blades call you
frozen olive
i was going to just do greatsword
because big swords are my bread and butter
but maybe i'll do something different
maybe i do a str/dex build
frozen olive
mhm
i usually do fai/int
Might justdo quality and pick up a normal sword and just send it
Was considering trying to switch between Bolt of Gransax and the Dragon Kings Cragblade
tropic stream
lol
frozen olive
trying to decide what level i want to be when i hop into the dlc
i think i started at like 150 when i hopped in the first time and ended off at like 250 so i could access more stuff
realistically i should just go in at whatever level makes it most fun for me since even if i was doing a legit run, i could power level whenever i wanted with the albinaurics
frozen olive
gonna do quality flamberge with some faith on the side for buffs and incantations when not fighting bosses
tropic stream
valid
frozen olive
just gonna roll at like lvl 250 from the start for QOL
obtuse halo
Flamberge ❤️
tropic stream
I love my greatest hits fire faith build
one spell from I think
every fire group
proven cloak
RGB pyromancy
frozen olive
yeah i'm doing Quality Flamberge with some incants on the side
back to basics
i always end up just doing sword kills on everything so i might as well just start off with it this time
oh yeah i'm going to need to get all the scadutree fragments again 😔
outer flint
https://eldenring.tclark.io/ this weapon AR calculator links directly to the new wiki 👀
i've been thinking of messing around with poison flower blooms twice, it hasn't been going too well with sword and board though :(
damage feels underwhelming, maybe i should add exultations + alexander to my talismans though
obtuse halo
I want poison flower blooms twice for my invader but also getting into the dlc at that level with my poison meme build seems like it might be kind of a pain in the ass
So I'm sticking with poison moth flight lol
proven cloak
oh I swore there was a helix pattern specifically with these two colors but couldn't find it in Enir-Illm, thought I might have just misremembered,
it was in DBDL's arena
reading the visual storytelling, walking up Enir-Illm literally seperates red from gold, turning the spiral into seperate + divided lines
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this
'normalizing' this
taking a raw mess of life and refining it until only spiritual essence remains
its why Crucible: Bloom, Spira, the EB's Elden Ring Attack, and Light of Miquella are nearly the same effect
if light can be called down in a spiral, can we find a way to climb up it ourselves?
Im so happy the ||stupid giant hippo|| is in Nightreign btw
glossy delta
Oh yeah, I'm just curious what you mean by the wider stuff
'crucible tree overlaid', 'finding out about it and going to see it', so on
Can you go to a specific place and the scadutree changes??
frozen olive
tower
you need to look at the tree at a specific time
well i don't know if you can see it anywhere, but i do know you can see it from the tower
ok found it, closest time you can set it to is noon
so go to the Pillar Path Waypoint, set the time to noon, go get to the top of the supressing pillar, then wait while looking at the Scadutree
it'll change eventually
that should work
tropic stream
hmmm
Since I've realized I can have a copied set of saves that's all NG save files while I do NG+
I am compelled to come up with more builds...
proven cloak
Oh yeah, I'm just curious what you mean by the wider stuff
'crucible tree overla...
Im still not sure if the crucible was an above-ground physical tree tbh
could've been
but its weirdly vague
roots I might lean towards a little more
real shadow
I think it was, at one point, and then Marika happened.
proven cloak
theres loads of scattered plant motifs everywhere, but they're harder to tie to a centralized thing
yeah maybe
where would it be, though?
just where the Erdtree is currently? The Scadutree? Is there even a difference, both coming out of the ocean in probably about the same spot?
real shadow
Well it's still there, sort of. There's certain times during the day where you can look up and see the scadutree in what's basically full bloom.
lilac condor
I like the idea of the crucible being a concept/method rather than a singular object
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I'd have expected to find Devonia looking at / near the Scadutree if its supposed to represent that, tbh
or more Hornsent interaction with it, instead all the scadutree-related stuff is post-Erdtree faith
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I also like the idea that the crucible knights are all questing for the origins of the crucible and what it’s supposed to be
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Its one of the more likely ideas imo
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I think someone in here or elsewhere has theorized that the scadutree and the erdtree are one and the same, and both come from the crucible--they're all the same thing, really, but at one point Marika either perverted the whole thing or destroyed it and changed it into/grew the erdtree. Trying to wipe away the ashes of the Realm of Shadow to make her new world.
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Which implies not even the crucible knights know what the heck the crucible is supposed to be
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I think its probably related to the Elden Ring / It's impact site, or the Sun, or both
all three of those things get conflated all over the place
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Yeah, being where the ring landed from outer space would line up pretty neatly.
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I think someone in here or elsewhere has theorized that the scadutree and the er...
It is treated more metaphysically though, by pre-Marika items
like all the hornsent items related to it mention it as a specific thing that can grant specific blessings... but they don't seem to have any sort of focus towards a hypothetical giant tree, yeah?
even the tree art on their tablets is representative of the spiral, seems more aspirational to me
but ofc it could also be that theres always been a giant tree in the center of the Lands Between, idk
or at least something plant-y
all the divine towers are just covered in vine motifs around a central circle
same as Farum's ER room
and the two places lit up with eternal sunlight are two places directly related to the ER, Farum and Enir-Illm
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its gold and spinny thats good enough for me
my horny ass could never be elden lord
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I think its probably related to the Elden Ring / It's impact site, or the Sun, o...
it might also literally just be the EB itself, tbh
its got most of the aspects, even the dlc ones (Like the hippo's thorns only being shared with the golden star shower move)
its amber, its got the big Arc that the hornsent put everywhere / items say 'look like the crucible' (?), its related to life itself
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drip check for my new character, Redeemer Freyja
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gettign started on my boss killing by warming up fighting the Blackgaol Knight
honestly prolly just going to play this like normal and clean up all the bosses i miss later
also i am not going to be fighting any of the repeat bosses, so shit like fallingstar beasts, any of the ghostflame dragons, and shit like that is going to be skipped
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drip check for my new character, Redeemer Freyja
interesting drip, though I will say I think the fingerprint armor's damage makes it clash a bit with the rest
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mhm
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I will say additionally tho there are
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i was considering trading it out for the Raging Wolf armor
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also I decided one of my builds is gonna be a DMGS build
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i do kinda like the fingerprint armor more than the raging wolf but this is more clean
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a little bit of drip, as a treat
also i've picked up Savage Lion's Claw
because that shit fucking rules
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passable now?
I heard Poison Flower was pretty good for them
gives a huge burst if you land poison on anybody
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a little bit of drip, as a treat
the reds and whites go sick together, yeah
which of these playstyles was your favorite?
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probably third one, with the fireknight shit
ended up doing a cool fucked up like, double setup with it
had Messmer spear and the FKGS
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I respect the Rellana drip
also the leda armor with the black knight helmet is choice
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I think 1st might be my favorite lookswise
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6's vibes are wild though too
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6 is one of my favs for sure
i did funny things with it and i think it just works
that was the setup i played through the base game with in prep for SOTE with my friend in seamless actually
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haters will say fire isn't a stat
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lol
But yeah I'm proud of all these drips
I still need to line up three final builds
Thinking a pure int build is one
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drip check for my new character, Redeemer Freyja
Very solid drip, I particularly like the mask + fingerprint armor. Less sold on the fingerprint + the gloves and boots though - the shiny metallic look clashes with the dull scorched fingerprints. I think more matte armor would be better
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I think an arcane build is the next one in the cards, never done one
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haters will say fire isn't a stat
sure it is, the stat is faith
ya just gotta believe