like pre-god I mean
#Elden Ring (DLC hype room)
old brook
unreal bloom
Badly
old brook
Still went from the last of a peoples deemed fuel mixture to a Goddess
Somethin happened
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She literally didn’t even know what she was doing and just followed what Metyr and Elden Beast told her to do until well after she confined death
She refers to her initial rise to power and wars of conquest as “days of blind belief” where she didn’t actually know what cosmic order she was fighting for
And those under her knew even less
At some point she decided to learn more about it and in her room you can find stacks and stacks of Hornsent tablets that she’s been poring over, presumably learning more about the Elden Ring and divinity
And at some point she was like “damn… i kinda don’t like this actually”
proven cloak
I still think the Elden Beast was just kind of ._. during the whole thing
Metyr might've done some false promises though
her descriptions characterize her as much more of an individual, with individual feelings, than the Elden Beast's
her tail does match Marika's rune very closely
Its interesting how much later her investigation came compared to her removal of death
pretty scary that you can just do things that can create a Godwyn without realizing the consequences
gray leaf
I can't remember the source where it talks about the days of blind belief?
Also this is very much wording quibbling which will probably dissolve in the face of the original text (as opposed to the translation), but the phrase "blind belief" is interesting given that "The brilliance of Queen Marika's grace blinds even the very best."
frail sky
I think it was in one of the church dialogues
proven cloak
its Minor Erdtree Church
(imo, its Radagon speaking - as a champion, he would be more likely to refer to his listeners as comrades. Plus this sort of study is in line with GO Fundementalism, which he also 'declared'.)
proven cloak
its Minor Erdtree Church
"oh but didn't the Minor Erdtree's only exist after the-" shhhhhh dont worry about it
proven cloak
I can't remember the source where it talks about the days of blind belief?
"In Marika's own words: I declare mine intent, to search the depths of the Golden Order. Through understanding of the proper way, our faith, our grace, is increased. Those blissful early days of blind belief are long past. My comrades; why must ye falter?"
obtuse halo
Marika's own words are so funny because they mostly reveal she's just the absolute worst
proven cloak
the church you get this echo at is very Fundementalist coded
its got one of their cookbooks, the seal, and some golden centipedes
so its likely the birth of that
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Marika's own words are so funny because they mostly reveal she's just the absolu...
I really like the first church one for how empty and desolete the landscape is
"We'll start a glorious age of life everlasting!"
empty winds blowing across a ruin
unreal bloom
Funniest words of marika is her going “Radagon you’re a dumbass who is not on my level and I’m going to break you”
My personal characterization of Radagon is as a bumbling himbo who fails at literally everything he tries to do
almost all dialogue and descriptions of him end in almost comedic levels of irony and/or failure
proven cloak
every girlfailure needs her guyfuckup
unreal bloom
He is the unintentional court jester of the erdtree
"Radagon made this cool incantation for his kid Miquella. Miquella would abandon Radagon." miquella never uses this incantation and neither does radagon
"Radagon got this cool sword from his ex-wife. Then he reforged it to impress his new wife." his new wife wasn't impressed
"Radagon learned incantations and sorceries, and aspired to be complete." he is broken and incomplete as fuck when we find him
"Radagon tried to repair the Elden Ring. Didn't work."
"Radagon had a cool statue of himself made. The sculptor hid Radagon's biggest secret in it and everyone knew it was hidden there."
"Radagon gifted Renalla a cool egg and even a fragment of the Elden Ring as consolation for divorcing her. Renalla subsequently went completely insane and never got over the divorce and got jailed by her subjects"
Radagon studied sorcery on a combat level. All of his kids, meanwhile, invented new forms of sorcery or discovered ancient ones that let them impose their will over the entire universe in ways that invalidated Radagon entirely
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when the battle-crazed warlord who wrestles bears is the most competent demigod parent
tbf he did invent Fundementalism
obtuse halo
Man, I wish we could get some of Radagon's cool holy spells. The jumping exploding lightning holy spear is a banger.
proven cloak
which probably counts as a new school of sorcery
obtuse halo
I mean, they're incantations, albeit with the principles of sorcery in them
obtuse halo
Rykard's Magma Hexes were a "new" school of sorcery, with principles from incantations in them
unreal bloom
Rykard was also preparing to eat the entire planet
With the added context that he is a numen, that numen can graft, and that he grafts those he eats to himself, his goal is literally grafting the entire world together into his belly
TOGETHAAA
proven cloak
Pretty sure Marika did that
shes never really mentioned in any of the fundementalist items
while Radagon is a couple times, and has his sword
plus its the youngest school, seems to be formed under his tenure as Elden Lord, and its Int + Faith
and he's the guy who studied sorceries and then went on to study faith
unreal bloom
I’ll put it like this: Radagon was a soldier of the Golden Order, while Marika was the monotheistic god-queen of the golden order who literally created it
proven cloak
yup
but he's the one whos got the connection to the harsh lines and scholarship of fundementalism!
it still wasn't a huge success as an ideology
unreal bloom
Yeah but we got lines of her being like “I’ve decided we should study the Golden Order for real now and stop being just into faith” and then you find the golden order seal one foot away from where she said that
proven cloak
yeah - I think it was Radagon who said that
unreal bloom
In Marika’s Own Words
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because they are each other's half-selves
in the same way that Saint Trina was often confused for a comely young boy
and it felt wrong to depict her as grown up
theres a certain level of metaphysical stickyness, and its not like Melina would be able to understand the difference
unreal bloom
Melina might be one of the only ones who could, tbh
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he's also got his statue always doing the GO totality pose
unreal bloom
They’re her parents
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and his picture
they could've done it together, for sure - I don't think they were opposed at that point
Marika was the one who made him Elden Lord, after all
he was just a champion, she was the God-Queen
but Radagon absolutely is more tied to fundementalism than Marika
unreal bloom
The funniest Radagon thing is that the Golden Order is based around Marika being the one true god and everyone worshipping her, and so he showed up like "babe I love the Golden Order, you're my god and I will worship you forever" and Marika was like "fuck off loser you don't know shit"
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real and true
I actually think he wanted to replace her as god and she either agreed at first but wanted out early, or thought her whole order had to go
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I like the grace, nice
hybrid perch
Radahn was the strongest demi-god right?
covert schooner
He, Malenia, and Morgott are roughly in the same realm
Unclear who amount them is actually strongest
spring marlin
he definitely leveled the most STR but in terms of a fight it's complicated and probably not worth arguing over
proper vortex
"who's the strongest in Elden Ring ?" You the Tarnished, you clapped everyone
Or the giant crawfish
mighty warren
fun fact! they are one of four total enemies who can inflict sleep
(not counting player mirroring enemies)
the other 3 are a troll in cerulean coast, the bloodfiends in the fissure, and thiollier
outer flint
:O
proper vortex
The true final boss of Elden Ring is Carcinazation
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"who's the strongest in Elden Ring ?" You the Tarnished, you clapped everyone
ranni
ranni is the strongest, with the caveat of being sleepy and sometimes tiny
mainly because you outright cannot kill her, nothing can
and she can instantly kill whatever
and teleport
the most harm you can do to her is break her heart
outer flint
powerstance katana moveset feels suuuper stiff
languid tiger
been going around on my current run, mopping up dlc bosses
good lord it is generous with runes
outer flint
ikr lolll
languid tiger
literally nothing to spend all of these on
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crab
outer flint
put on scarab, "probably nothing worth spending a gold tender on", still get 500k
unreal bloom
make boggart a wealthy man
languid tiger
powerstance katana moveset feels suuuper stiff
try the greataxe powerstance
unreal bloom
executioners maybe
languid tiger
crescent moon axe scales well with dex
double lightning crescent moons was probably the smoothest run i've ever done
unreal bloom
i miss the stupid powerstances of ds2
languid tiger
although i admit i 2handed more than powerstanced
unreal bloom
i want the double turkey leg
languid tiger
because powerstance ripped everything apart even faster
outer flint
gonna give it a try
axe of godrick still gets C dex
but yeah I'll grab the crescent moon axes
outer flint
ooh sacred relic sword has good dex scaling too!
obtuse halo
I mostly don’t love er powerstance. It feels mostly either bad or tryhard, no middle ground
Admittedly I haven’t tried every weapon type tho
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and she can instantly kill whatever
imo this is a gameplay only thing, she needed quite a bit of help fighting people during her quest
its like how even once you're on the level of Godfrey you can slip off a hill and die instantly
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Radahn was the strongest demi-god right?
by the end of the dlc, its almost certainly ||Miquella, ascended to godhood||
During the Shattering the answer is Its Complicated™️ and also they were all generally closer in power than you might expect. Except Godrick.
hybrid perch
by the end of the dlc, its almost certainly ||Miquella, ascended to godhood||
Didn’t know that
Interesting
old brook
And all too weak >:[
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NOTHING STRONGER THAN HAMMER
hybrid perch
I kinda forgot that miquella existed
Btw
Why do you get a ||blood incant|| from the boss fight iirc
hybrid perch
No, the last one in the dlc
proven cloak
its not a blood incant, has its own special school
old brook
Ansbach
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ohhhh thats what you meant
hybrid perch
I thinks it’s the last one at least
hybrid perch
its not a blood incant, has its own special school
|| the one where you make red things around you||?
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|| the one where you make red things around you||?
its ||because an npc quest leads him to stand against Miquella alongside you at the end||
and ||he was a pureblood knight and servant of Mohg, so he uses bloodflame||
||because its Elden Ring you pick it up off his corpse after the boss fight||
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|| the one where you make red things around you||?
nah I thought you were talking about the remembrance spell
hybrid perch
nah I thought you were talking about the remembrance spell
||orbital laser||
hybrid perch
its ||because an npc quest leads him to stand against Miquella alongside you at ...
Is it any good?
proven cloak
the spell? idk
the quest? yeah its a fun npc
hybrid perch
He gives the obsidian lamina right?
proven cloak
yup
hybrid perch
Anyone here trading ansbachs torso armor and pants btw?
And what boss has the most tragic backstory in your opinion?
proven cloak
I'll probably be able to later today if you want it
for the second one.... thats tough
Malekith is probably underappreciated in the tragedy department
Likely created, or at least pressed into Marika's service, has to serve as a living seal for Death (painful), doesn't seem to have done anything particularly bad of his own volition pretty much ever
Malenia was born with an incurable disability before her fervor for a cure caused her to inflict in on thousands of others
now she just kind of sleeps while poisoning her home, mother of people she wants nothing to do with, waiting for a future that might never come
from the dlc ||Midra's Damnation for (presumably) researching(?) the Frenzied Flame is an insane amount of suffering to inflict on a single person, with a painful golden sword stabbed through his head + body for assumedly hundreds to thousands of years.||
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some of the non-human bosses don't really have tragic backstories in the same way, but I still think fighting ||Scadutree Avatar||, ||Metyr||, and ||Elden Beast, if you think it dies afterwards|| have a tragedy to them
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Children of divorce pretty normal by comparison
rykard
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yeah its why I don't really count him as tragic, even though his decline is a shame
he uh
he leapt for it
Morgott and Mohg are also tragic, but made their own decisions as adults later
old brook
Lofty Ambition seems to be the only family curse there
old brook
yeah the Omen Twins are.. thats rough
He did not love in return, for he was never loved.
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like yeah Mohg started a blood cult but tbf can you blame him
old brook
That's why give Marika some pass
old brook
If my culture was blended into slurry I'd crack
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I think Radagon and Marika are both tragic, but they both did enough fuckin' around that I can't call them most tragic
like it sucks what happened to them both, but uhhhhh. y'know
old brook
Depends on when "backstory" ends and regular story begins
Malenia might be top contender but Omen Twins..
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omen twins......
glossy stag
what about em
old brook
At least Malenia and Mohg ended up with fans
The nicest thing Morgott encountered was his father being moderately somber about his death
And then he screams with abandon and throws that identity away to wrassle
Also the constant nightmares
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and the physical sickness, if his phase transition is anything to go by
the worst thing you can say about him is that he kept up the systems that did this to him in the first place, too
old brook
Even the worst thing about him is just tragedy
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beyond that, he seems like one of the better actual rulers
yeah
he's gonna change society on his own? His subjects don't even know he's an Omen.
old brook
The Erdtree gives no quarter
Tf he gonna do
Other than be Morgott, Last of All Kings
God this game has so many absolute banger lines
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real
I love the energy behind "Alas, I am returned."
"we're close to the ring, nice work. Unluckily for you, I'm literally Him. I'm built different."
hybrid perch
I'll probably be able to later today if you want it
Would you also be able to do Friday?
median rock
just ask again when ur available probably, or closer to it
theres a bunch of people in here who've completed his quest at least once - i think i have like 3 sets, and i dont mind dropping any of them
so it hopefully wouldn't take that long to get a response
languid tiger
money...
outer flint
hand it over, that thing, your 10m runes
hybrid perch
so it hopefully wouldn't take that long to get a response
Alr thx for that info
median rock
do u want me to hop on now?
languid tiger
run finished, conclusion: carian thrusting shield is a busted piece of shit
outer flint
:O
median rock
any suggestions for armor that goes well with euporia? currently considering the death knight set or the divine bird warrior set
alternatively, thoughts on which looks better out of those 2?
light bridge
I like skulls, so
hybrid perch
so I could trade now, I just don't really have much left
hybrid perch
do u want me to hop on now?
would you be able to now?
vivid spire
Urge to play Elden Ring again
And do a full death knight run with strength and dex for the axe
obtuse halo
the dlc generally favoring a higher level range also helps
the fact is more people are playing in the 150-200 range than before
vivid spire
Reinstalling er
covert schooner
run finished, conclusion: carian thrusting shield is a busted piece of shit
Did u do the poke spam
covert schooner
So I’ve heard!
languid tiger
jumping r2 has a delay after the hit, but is basically 100% safe during that
you have guard frames for like...80% of every r1
(at least 2h, i didn't do much with 1h)
standard and running r2s are like, the only "bad" attacks, because they have comically long animations
but they have block frames for their whole durations
and this is off 94 physblock and 76 boost
obtuse halo
That's wild
languid tiger
a much more sane 64 (elemental infusions don't gain your upgrades for the purpose of calcing guard)
if you're on magic
but for standard infusion + scholar's armament, which is what i did for bossing
94 phys, 64 mag, 76 guard
with block frames during or after every single attack
or both
genuinely just beyond deranged
i'm...not sure whether to emphatically support or denounce it
real shadow
vivid spire
Lmao
languid tiger
https://fxtwitter.com/1280x720_/status/1828825286919798854?t=XlaSUYS-RqdpgrSVaWo...
this is incredibly based
unreal bloom
He discovered the champion’s path
vivid spire
debatable if Fia or Ranni love the tarnished more but uhh
I’m still doing a death knight ace build
median rock
would you be able to now?
sorry, you sent that at 7:30 am for me lol
vivid spire
Got through stormveil in a minute
unreal bloom
I’ll go back to Ranni
— person at the bar after four beers
vivid spire
— person at the bar after four beers
I can’t decide they’re both pretty and nice ;-;
and death knight drip is GOOD
kind garden
unblocking the number on my phone that says "ABSOLUTELY NOT" and going "heyyyy Hyetta whatcha doing tonight"
frail sky
I’m still doing a death knight ace build
Diversity win, this death knight is ace!
vivid spire
Lmao
I found a trans YouTuber that does er asmr for sleeping
And half of it was just Trina themed
(Ofc)
vivid spire
unblocking the number on my phone that says "ABSOLUTELY NOT" and going "heyyyy H...
Actually I’ve never done the frenzy ending is it as dismal as I think it is
I don’t wanna do it frenzy scary ):
kind garden
back in ACfA there was a similar "kill everybody, especially the civilians" ending where you teamed up with a crazy terrorist called Old King to kill literally 100,000,000 people
and then every major named NPC in an all-out 2v5 NEXT brawl where Old King will get folded like laundry and leave you to fight everyone, including your own operator, at once
It's the bleakest ending to a bleak game while also being the absolute pinnacle of difficulty in an already hard game
And your reward is being told that you are the worst monster to have ever done it. A genuine asshole who's probably doomed the entire species.
obtuse halo
The why is pretty clear, but it's very very dark.
The game's main conflict basically boils down to a climate change allegory, taken to an extreme where human extinction seems inevitable. This is the "get it over with quick" option.
vivid spire
Ooh
That’s actually really interesting
Elden Rings ending is a different metaphor I assume
vivid spire
It's the bleakest ending to a bleak game while also being the absolute pinnacle ...
Yeah I’ve heard that the older AC games are absolutely punishing as shit
kind garden
I dunno about punishing, that's Dark Souls's bag
old AC games are just unapologetically hard as nails
obtuse halo
They can be pretty punishing, especially pre-AC4. In the older games failing a mission didn't actually reset progress to before the mission, you just kept going except you were left holding the entire bag for ammo and repair costs with no reward
unreal bloom
Elden Rings ending is a different metaphor I assume
Elden Ring’s is MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD
obtuse halo
it was possible to, if not quite softlock yourself, get deep into debt and not be able to get new and better parts to keep up with the increasing challenge
vivid spire
Yeah my apologies for my earlier comment actually
I said it was hilarious in a “this is so fucking batshit” funny way
Don’t want it to be taken out of context
frozen olive
I want to do the Old King Ending at some point
I have a save that is partway through
Gonna be fucked up trying to do the final mission though
That shit is hard as nails
unreal bloom
Shura…
frozen olive
I have done difficult things in ACFA
Such as clear the entirety of Collared with only rockets
But i am really truly dogshit at NEXT combat wjen there is more than ome opponent
vivid spire
I noticed something
Invading people who are clearly playing with friends tends to make them mad lol
kind garden
yyyeah?
old brook
you don't have to interact with the hosts for those, weirdly
you can invade and jump off a cliff
also they introduced NPC invasions you can do
vivid spire
Oh
That’s cool!
I already got the fingers I needed
Holy shit
Sacred relic and the albinauric farm is so fun
obtuse halo
Yeah for Varre’s quest you don’t have to win the invasions and even if you’re offline you can fight Magnus the Beast Claw at Writheblood Ruins and it counts
old brook
Yeah for Varre’s quest you don’t have to win the invasions and even if you’re of...
My first time, getting absolutely decimated three times in a row.
Varre: "AH, GROWN A TASTE FOR IT, HAVE YOU?"
well actually no
outer flint
gank invasions sad but understandable
i was doing that quest last night
outer flint
duel invasions
but also
er, gank invasions as in I invade and get 2v1d
cuz people are just tryna vibe
but when they're chilling on the limgrave starting cliff, it's a fun time
I even invaded in shadow keep, and ran in the grace room on the 6th floor
waved at the gold phantom, they waved back, and we dueled
then the host dueled me after i won, fun times
unreal bloom
One of my favorite invasions ever was invading a host who was rocking the cannon
I pulled out my own cannon
We had a duel
obtuse halo
like playing battleship
outer flint
I pulled out my own cannon
that's amazing
unreal bloom
that's amazing
I recorded it, too, though I didn't get the audio
it's at the end of this
grave plinth
Just realized that the Abductor Virgins might be parodies of the Marika statue in Messmer’s room
hybrid perch
sorry, you sent that at 7:30 am for me lol
Mb
hybrid perch
I mean today I have more time so maybe if I’m lucky someone has time
hybrid perch
~~debatable if Fia or Ranni love the tarnished more but uhh~~
I say ranni
vivid spire
Everyone says Ranni
hybrid perch
I didn’t let Fia hug me
vivid spire
):
hybrid perch
My health is mine
vivid spire
Sharing is caring
hybrid perch
Age of stars go brrrrr
outer flint
i wonder what ending I should try this time
I did ranni's on ng
ik there's frenzied flame and 4 normal endings, but idk the particulars
🤔
hybrid perch
Dung eater
Jk
Planning on either making a second character or doing a mage character in new game plus
But with the cool spells
Not the I press a button a couple of times and the enemy doesn’t exist anymore
outer flint
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNR3sqBJqEk
amazing
fleet bronze
I have a strange affection for the Dung Eater ending, it's probably my second favourite after Ranni and the first ending I got in Elden Ring on my str/arc character
fleet bronze
Elden Ring tends to really hammer home the "good intentions leading to conquest end up terrible", so maybe just doing the obviously awful thing would invert it even if the Dungeater clearly doesn't know what he's even doing
hybrid perch
Poor bogart
proper vortex
i'm going for the flamme of frenzy ending but i cannot get the frenzied flamme talisman
median rock
i'm going for the flamme of frenzy ending but i cannot get the frenzied flamme t...
the seal you mean? you need to do hyetta's quest
and then do the three fingers thing to get marked as the lord of frenzied flame
proper vortex
Yay i kinda killed her to get a maiden's blood really early so i could go in the dlc fast
median rock
should have waited for irina to die normally /shrug
I can drop you one if you want but I think I only have a +10 copy
proper vortex
Nah it's okay it's more for rp reasons. I don't use incantations
I'll just drop in the sewers
proper vortex
should have waited for irina to die normally /shrug
You cannot get her blood that way. Then you need to go the 4 befrey to go back at the Church of begining
proper vortex
You need to kill her yourself or get the one from the maiden that was supposed to help you instead of melimeli
median rock
pretty sure the vyke church maiden blood also works fwiw
proper vortex
i wanted to go to Moghwyn palace asap. so whne i killed Radhan i could kill mogh and go to the shadow realm without playing a children card game
obtuse halo
pretty sure the vyke church maiden blood also works fwiw
Yeah, church of inhibition works
hybrid perch
Would anyone have time in a couple of hours to trade something for the robes of the dlc bleed guy (I think his name was Ansbach), I don’t have much left anymore but I’ll try
real shadow
Twitter
grave plinth
Catboy with a horsegirl arc
proper vortex
but that logic Lionel Johnson primarch of the Dark Angel is a cat boy
frozen olive
Correct
They literally call him "The Lion" what else could he be
I suppose he's more of a cat man byt that's semantics
proven cloak
Phase 2 ||Miquella entering like “Its ok kitten…. Daddy’s back….”||
hybrid perch
https://x.com/TendoDdoggo/status/1828812145221587290?t=xTTJPVsnZ8B66JW9Rg979g&s=...
He had a cat he loved
proven cloak
Catboy with a horsegirl arc
I do kind of love the radahn depictions where hes a huge dork with special interests
grave plinth
Jock Hardware running Nerd OS
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Would anyone have time in a couple of hours to trade something for the robes of ...
unfortunately dont have a computer rn, otherwise I would
hybrid perch
Radahn is one of my favorite characters
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miyazaki’s, too
(which isnt a shitpost)
Hes alright aesthetically but doesnt have that gripping pathos or narrative to me
Unlike the GOAT, king of Leyndell
in…. some ways the dlc got me to like radahn more
But I still think he needed a bit more character
sour sable
hard to speak for yourself when you have mushroom soup sloshing around in your skull
hybrid perch
would anyone be able to trade in a couple of hours or so?
proven cloak
hard to speak for yourself when you have mushroom soup sloshing around in your s...
but then (Sote) ||He’s still silent when returned and non-rotted 😭 and regardless of if he’s charmed or not - Mohg was a yapper!||
personally I think he had that neurodivergence that makes you just stare at people
Radahn Can’t Communicate
unreal bloom
He has cut dialogue that is very boring
Mirroring Malenia’s
He’s better silent, trust me
iirc his cut line was like “I am Radahn, son of Radagon, the lion of the battlefield” or something equally banal
Rellana has a line that was cut for being too basic also, though I’m very sad that Romina’s line got cut
proven cloak
He has cut dialogue that is very boring
whats your take on if he’s charmed / the promise stuff
unreal bloom
whats your take on if he’s charmed / the promise stuff
Way I read it is through the lens of a little kid getting enamored with a family member ||and being like “when I grow up i’m gonna
marry you!!” and then Radahn being like “haha, yeah, for sure kiddo” and Miquella being like “you promise??! :O” and radahn being like “yeah why not” thinking that Miquella would grow out of it
like most infatuated kids do, except that Miquella is cursed to eternal childhood physically and emotionally and so he never could grow out of it and it all went way too far||
||And then Miquella was like “he isn’t following the promise!! Why won’t he marry me? Malenia go make him marry me” and Malenia was like “for sure bro you’re so smart and cool and godlike i know you’ve got some sort of plan here” and then went to war for the most childish of reasons, and then nuked caelid when Radahn fought her to a standstill and refused to marry his kid brother||
||I think at the end of the dlc he’s either accepted his fate as warrior consort of a new god and a new age or has been charmed||
vivid spire
Ok blinkbolt long hafted is amazing
vivid spire
was about to ask how I justify making my twink OC into a stronk axe user but it’s all magic I guess
God I never like considered the joy of unga bunga
;-; 7 playthroughs and I never used anything stronger than strength 16
I know dual axes is.. meh
But I like the aow
Also like
I can almost leap over some swings with it
It has big clear potential
covert schooner
Way I read it is through the lens of a little kid getting enamored with a family...
For whatever it’s worth, it does say ||when THEY were young, which while not invalidating your read, does imply at least that Radhan was also younger||
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For whatever it’s worth, it does say ||when THEY were young, which while not inv...
Radahn is always older than Miquella though
Hilariously ||Melina is probably older than every other demigod except Messmer||
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pretty similar to my read tbh ||but I think radahn was probably earnest when he made the vow, and regretted a decision he did actually mean||
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pretty similar to my read tbh ||but I think radahn was probably earnest when he ...
counterpoint:
outer flint
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watching my friend fight ||PCR||
Enir-Illm really is just full of the rune of life, huh
or whatever the stake of Marika is
||The gate of Divinity||, ||The inquisitor's spells - and tbh I'm even 
at the Inquisitors designs, considering their horns grow in two clusters from their hooded face, unlike the more chaotic ancestor statues or hornsent shades||
this shit is all over the place
suppose it had a strong association with the crucible prior to Marika making it her own
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counterpoint:
||I love Ranni not being entirely sure||
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Enir-Illm really is just full of the rune of life, huh
Marika's rune ||actually originates from the golden barb of the Crucible Spiral, which the Hornsent used as a tool of inquisition and which she repurposed into a rune of blessing||
||The greatest curse in Hornsent culture was to be damned to immortality by tower inquisitors. Under Marika's reign, she made immortality a blessing, though she did carry on the twisted tradition of crucifying people on the barbed arc||
||Sorcery of the inquisitors of the tower, wielded as an incantation of the spiral. A swing of the arm releases a procession of golden arcs. Charging enhances potency. The arcs resemble barbs, a known symbol of coercive questioning.||
||Greatstaff of Jori, elder inquisitor. The tip bristles with golden barbs symbolic of the inquisition's torture, allowing one to wield the staff as a greatspear. Attacks deal holy damage, and potency increases with faith.||
||Golden greatsword that once pierced the body of Midra, master of the manse. Used by the hornsent in the execution of a damnation like no other. The barbs that pierce the victim from within wind gently around the blade. [...] There is something of the Golden Order in the sight of those fixed upon this crux. ||
The lower arc of the Elden Ring is held to be the basin in which its blessings pool. Perhaps this shard originates from that very arc.
||she literally ripped the golden arcs out of inquisitors' corpses and used them to ascend to godhood, whereupon she changed the arc into a symbol of life and blessing||
||that said she still did crucify people on them and condemn them to immortality as well, leaving them screaming and insane after a while, but also somewhat revered as 'martyrs'||
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yeah I meant her rune less as "what she added" and more "the rune associated with her"
cause the Farum rune still has "something" analogous to to a top-arc
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In the Hornsent's time the arcs were part of the spiral
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its interesting in that you can see a large upwards arc at the peak of this spiral here, which matches what the Divine Gate forms
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and the bird warriors are said to "resemble the Golden Crucible" when casting the feather spell
I really do think it means the arc they make right before throwing them out
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ehhhh this one's less arc-y and more circular, imo
growing from an arc
though Erdtree avatar staff might be a better example of that
"depicting the erdtree in its historic radiance"
dusty kraken
I kinda wish more staffs were good for fighting.
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I've been thinking about what this shape or rune could represent, or why it represents life
dusty kraken
Give me a quarterstaff I can bonk with
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Things like radagon's runes as stitching / bolts to hold the shattered ring together, or the crucible spiral being an evolutionary current fit the shapes
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I've been thinking about what this shape or rune could represent, or why it repr...
tree
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why is the rune of life / the crucible (seemingly), an arc with a line through it?
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tree
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maybe.... probably even.....
I'm still thinking on the sun angle though, too
same sort of shape formed by Metyr's tail + fingers as well
given the dlc, the roots definitely seem old, with the hornsent catacombs built where they were
but a pre-erdtree / specific crucible tree seems more elusive than you'd expect
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tree
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esp if it was a spiraltree, which wouldn't fit an arc with a line through it
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the arc with the line through it represented the top of the spiral, the divine gateway
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the arc as the 'higher sphere' divine spirits come from? the sky?
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marika ditched the spiral after attaining godhood, lifting the ladder after she climbed it
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now that we know Rauh / Divine Tower builders were connected very closely with the crucible
I do think some sort of big plant-y thing was around during their time
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tree
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cut content putting crucible knights atop 4/6 of the towers is also noteworthy
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I think the torrent was a seed / meteor impact tbh, but seeds grow into tree
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cut content putting crucible *knights* atop 4/6 of the towers is also noteworthy
and that they called down meteors....
its cut content, and was cut for a reason
but I wonder if Rauh didn't call down the Elden Beast using the divine towers
the other relationship would be the divine towers, with all their golden meteor stones, built as a celebration of the Elden Stars event
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tree
from this angle I see the tree much clearer on this one tbh
why couldn't the trailers just pan away from Marika to the right for like 3 seconds and show big tree 
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because they didn't want to spend time modeling the pre-split tree that no one will see ingame
"ok team we're gonna need you to make a new model that's these two trees blended together"
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if I take enough finger mimics at once I know I'll unlock the secret Life+Death tree ending
miyazaki revealed it to me
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being a literal tree fits pretty well with the fine feather talisman "[the crucible's] evolutionary gifts" being its blessing's
but what the fuck is spira's "crucible current" then
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but what the fuck is spira's "crucible current" then
uno reverse card elden stars
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just poetic about lifeforce? which this tree would be responsbile for?
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uno reverse card elden stars
yeah thats a solid explanation
modest berry
well, the crucible spiral having meteor connections, crucible being the primordial soup tracks well with the crucible spiral being dna related, life being theorized by some to have come in on a meteor
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mhm
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fun fact you can tell what magic is spiral-derived by casting animation in the game which is very fun
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Elden Ring seems to be going with that, by Ymir + Hyetta's dialogue about why life exists
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All direct healing spells are spiral-derived (not regen ones)
so is rotten butterflies
light of miquella is spiral-derived as well
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what about Shard Spiral......
modest berry
there was some interesting theories about rauh burrows and their larger implications in a recent quelaag video i watched
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oh?
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the implications is that sprites are cute little guys
modest berry
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I pretty much assumed that they were whatever wisps are
or maybe a 'vital spark' without much mind or body
modest berry
has some interesting stuff, i generally enjoy her theoretic/ real word historical/ metaphorical tacklings of the content above other more literal granular lore explained stuff
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something fun I noticed recently is that Blade of Calling uses pre-split shadowy gold from the crucible/scadutree
makes sense given how old Melina is implied to be
it's also one of the only weapons in the game, maybe the only, that lets you use the holy fire of the crucible
Elden Beast and the inquisitors use it, Placidusax uses laserbeam version, you don't get to use it outside of that
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ah, I like that golden ratio observation
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technically sentry's torch is supposed to be that too but it doesn't have the same effect
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Elden Beast and the inquisitors use it, Placidusax uses laserbeam version, you d...
the single arc golden attacks also show up a few times in the GO spells, and interestingly mirrored in Waves of Gold
lilac condor
I am 120 hours in, and have finally learned how to parry
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yeah but they're not usually represented in golden flames
golden flames are relatively unique
lilac condor
Also if you see a dude in monk armor dying 50 times in front of siluria in deeproot depths, that's me
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Ulcerated Tree Spirits also have it yeah?
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oh yeah they do
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but I mean
makes sense
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Dagger given to one who set out on a journey to fulfill her duty long ago. The power of its former owner, the kindling maiden, is still apparent. The one who walks alongside flame, Shall one day meet the road of Destined Death.
Blade of Gold: Leap into the air, charging the armament with golden flames that are then shot at the enemy as a single, blade-like projectile. Inflicts holy damage.
let's see if I can embed this
nope
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...the skill also follows a spiral in its windup
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ye ye ye
lilac condor
spirals all the way down
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and just like the other spiral spells, it needs a buff
obtuse halo
Yeah buff shard spiral
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...the skill also follows a spiral in its windup
I wouldn't go too wild with this or you'll end up sounding like a BB character
but I did try to get a good angle on EB's Elden Ring attack where it flies up in a spiral and then spreads its wings in an arc
so
I can't talk tbh
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lilac condor
I wouldn't go *too* wild with this or you'll end up sounding like a BB character
Has someone, anyone, seen my spirals? I'm afraid I've dropped them in a crucible. Everything is pale now...
plip plop
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a ring... should be left well alone...
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I wouldn't go *too* wild with this or you'll end up sounding like a BB character
the spirals and the cosmos are one,
therefore the spirals and the cosmos are one
OOOOOOHHHHHHHH
GREATER WILL, DO YOU HEAR OUR PRAYERS?
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I wouldn't go *too* wild with this or you'll end up sounding like a BB character
one fun thing
the two demigods who got the runes that existed in the elden ring's spiral era as part of the spiral are Mohg and Morgott
marika couldn't get rid of them because they're the foundation of the elden ring
called the anchor ring
their history as part of the old elden ring's Spiral are more obvious with mohg's rune
light bridge
hybrid perch
Now I don’t want to kill him
frozen olive
do it anyway
hybrid perch
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coached my friends into beating Malenia and PCR.... I'm so proud....
(at least 60% of the malenia coaching was "gently" "recommending" they swap the level 180+ soreseal for a defensive talisman)
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obtuse halo
I am once again begging you to drop the soreseal past like level 60+
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(at least 60% of the malenia coaching was "gently" "recommending" they swap the ...
Remember, your dps drops to zero when you die
covert schooner
They love taking extra damage for no benefit :3
dusty kraken
They love taking extra damage for no benefit :3
Yes and I can carry 3 items at once that do it!
covert schooner
….. wait you
covert schooner
Yes and I can carry 3 items at once that do it!
Do you actually have all the scar AND soreseal at the same time
Sorry no, both of the soreseals
I assume at least the better ones
dusty kraken
Do you actually have all the scar AND soreseal at the same time
No but I've got the +damage taken, does nothing else and both soreseals. Meahahah
covert schooner
LMAO alright at that point it’s for the bit
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primal glintstone, marika's soreseal, beloved stardust, holy scorpion charm
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Consider: the scorpion charms so you can take even more damage
covert schooner
That’s different from using it because you think it’s actually good :p
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primal glintstone, marika's soreseal, beloved stardust, holy scorpion charm
I forgot about beloved stardust, god that talisman is bad
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I am just happy to have a final stop item for casting speed
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no more having to mess around with azur's staff or leveling dex
the tradeoff is one million damage
the scorpion charms really shouldn't make you take more damage except the magic one tbh
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Why?
dusty kraken
Why except the magic one? They're all the same bonus/fire and lightning have dedicated attack spells
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I forgot about beloved stardust, god that talisman is bad
flavortext goes so hard though
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Why except the magic one? They're all the same bonus/fire and lightning have ded...
wizards deserve NO rights 😤
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Why except the magic one? They're all the same bonus/fire and lightning have ded...
Because every other charm requires you to limit yourself to one damage type while sorcery is far more limited in damage types
dusty kraken
Wizards deserve a better spell list. I don't need 10 variants of throwing the same crystal at people. XD
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If you are a pure int sorcerer you can just slap magic scorpion charm on and never take it off
dusty kraken
Sure but then you're playing a pure int sorcerer and that's punishment enough.
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but the rest of the damage types require choosing specific spells and weapons to use them well, but then also make you take more damage anyway
it punishes you doubly
you have to get very far into the game before the sacred scorpion charm is even useful for most characters
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Wizards deserve a better spell list. I don't need 10 variants of throwing the sa...
some cut descriptions almost imply the rocks were originally planned to be different colors instead of all shades of blue
which is.... something? at least?
dusty kraken
I mean I don't think wizards are powerful enough to deserve a unique punishment.
Non-Wizards have spell variety
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it's also doubly mean because you get like a fraction of the boost in pvp while taking the full damage increase
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some cut descriptions almost imply the rocks were originally planned to be diffe...
they really should've been...
obtuse halo
Beloved Stardust is a boon for RL1 casting approaches tbh
Obviously less good for general play but if you’re aiming for a no hit anyway those frames can make all the difference
vivid spire
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It shouldn’t just be free damage lol
It costs a talisman slot…
Other talismans give free damage too without the damage taken increase
hybrid perch
I mean if you don’t plan on getting hit you can take all the charms that make you take more damage
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https://youtu.be/UYRvx-tWhmI?si=arpFGpcOun0ZcE9n
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https://youtu.be/UYRvx-tWhmI?si=arpFGpcOun0ZcE9n
let out moans of satisfaction
🤨
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Thinking about blood and the origins of the Formless Mother
I do think that it's due to the blood of crucible-touched beings being imbued with holiness but not necessarily sentience or form
Beast blood imbued with the gold of the crucible/Erdtree is immortal and never decays, which is also stated to be the nature of the Formless Mother's blood
Following the interpretation that Outer Gods are deviations or misinterpretations of Crucible-derived divine invocation given the status of deities, that would mean that the Formless Mother is literally all divine blood
The Hornsent, like their heirs the Ancestral Followers, worshipped Ancestral Spirits/Deities, those who lived long lives and eventually sprouted horns due to being touched by or otherwise in tune with the vitality and divinity of the Crucible
The Bloodfiends saw the corpse of their ancestor bleed divine, undying blood, infused with the life of the Crucible, and took to worshipping it as a divinity in and of itself
of course this assumes we have any idea what outer gods are
Divine Invocation in general is fascinating
Based on what little we know about it, it's that all divinity arises from the touch of the Crucible's energies, with its manifestation granting divine status to anything living – specifically, in the form of horns, wings, flowers, etc, any of the aspects
And then others could invoke that divinity to ascend to godhood themselves
The player can do this too, with bears
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bears can do it too, like Godfrey
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Thinking about blood and the origins of the Formless Mother
I was thinking about how she seems the youngest of all the outer gods, yeah
at least in terms of influence
and how Rot and the Gravebirds seem to go all the way back to Rauh
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(though idk if scarlet rot was specifically around back then, it kinda seems like Outer Gods manifest when things ‘go wrong’ with life)
the Formless Mother does have a strong connection to lineage and taking pride in ones ‘family’ - a thing that attracted it to the hornsents ancestor worship culture, or an echo of that culture? Hard to say
same with the ritual bloodletting of curseblades
the dlc has really underlined how divine invocation and crucible energy is connected to the spiritual / spirit summoning
taking on the aspects of something instead of calling it forward
wonder what the relationship is between this “divine energy” and runes - or if there is a difference
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wonder what the relationship is between this “divine energy” and runes - or if t...
Don’t think there is one
Particularly demonstrated by Leda’s Rune and Marika’s Rune
Even the gods’ power is just runes
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Also, based on what runes do when you drop them, seems like they can best be defined as pure life energy, remnants of the Elden Stars which brought life, and divinity, to the world
Your runes left on the ground grow into tiny little Erdtree sprouts
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Given that being touched by the crucible results in folks growing horns, and presumably gave them strong stores of runes, it's likely that's what Marika ripped out of the corpses of the Hornsent to ascend to godhood
She just leveled up like 400 times in front of the divine gateway
walked up and was like "I'll have 99 vigor 99 endurance 99 faith 99 mind tyvm" and became a god
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the nox were trying to make the albinauric farming spot before they drew the ire of the Game Devs
fromsoft did it again….
yeah runes do seem to be a sort of baseline vital energy, even the oldest factions like the Uhl coffins / smithing cult have ties to glowing script
The Elden Ring itself as a big collection of Rune power
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the elden ring is the core of the star that fell
the star that brought life to the world
Oh, also, there's a lot of mistranslations, idk if I was around on the server when I found one of my favorite ones
The Golden Order is a mistranslation
In Japanese, it's called the Golden Rule
Marika named her religion "treat others as you would have them treat you" ||and committed revenge genocide on the people that genocided her people||
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yeah but Order goes harder than Rule usually
though I like the alternate goldmask translation “it is a flaw in the law”
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other fun mistranslations are that the omen don't exist
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”Abomination King” yeah lmao
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it's hornsent all the way down
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though in cases like that, I wouldnt say the japanese takes precedent like that
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it does because the omen are capitalized in english
making it appear as though they're a distinct group
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they definitely made it a capital noun- yeah
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they are just called abominable children in japanese referencing their status as unwanted horned children to the erdtree faithful
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and if GRRM wrote Morgott, the japanese text might be the translation, assuming the Omen part was important for his character
not that its provable one way or the other
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I am inclined to believe that the japanese is always the more accurate because of stuff like the Katamari Witch
na na na na na na, katamari primeval current
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I also give english credit for Glintstone, which is generally more interesting than pyroxene / brightstone imo
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brightstone might be a ds2 reference
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yeah its the same in demon souls as well
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From denying us our vital DS2 references 💀
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rip….
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the funniest thing in the japanese text is that they do use demigoddo
loan words are fun
also apparently marika is a lot more of a clear jerk in the og japanese
Also a fun thing with Melina repeating her words is that in the original japanese it references Marika's words as being kotodama, which is basically the spiritual presence of divine pacts in the form of spoken mantras
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Ive heard of that, though I didnt get what the cultural context implied
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Every time Melina is like "spoken echoes linger here" it's more like she's saying "the divine words of one of Marika's covenants lingers here"
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yeah, each one is a covenant of some sort
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threats, commands, etc
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also I think I found Melina's grave. huh!
all the time I've been playing I never found that
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Do you know what the japanese community calls the protag? I’ve heard “Tarnished” was invented in translation
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all the time I've been playing I never found that
also, what are you thinking?
it’d be… leyndell?
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There's a solitary grave in a forest grove just outside of leyndell, near the base of the Erdtree, by the ruins of the Minor Erdtree Church
obtuse halo
Oh. Fascinating if you’re right
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex9ekh-jtgs
they're missing Aura and it spells PENAS doesnt it
or is that nimbus
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they're missing **A**ura and it spells **PENAS** doesnt it
goddammit
vestal night
they're missing **A**ura and it spells **PENAS** doesnt it
oh wow
I didn't even notice that
damn you ymfah
obtuse halo
||it makes it pretty blunt around the 18-20 minute point||
vestal night
I must've looked away at that moment
obtuse halo
vestal night
yeah I saw it looking back in the video
just somehow missed it while I was first watching
vivid spire
median rock
the names for buff categories in ymfah's video are amusing
normally i think most english ER stuff calls them "body" and "aura", probably just because that's what whoever wrote the fextra page did
it took me way too long to realize why he decided to call them something else LOL. i thought it was a korean thing
covert schooner
Oh my god is that actually the difference between body and aura buffs
obtuse halo
yes
median rock
yeah
also i find the gag ive seen in a couple ER videos of just greenscreening the old white screen bandai namco logo onto the ||PCR|| flashbang attacks hilarious
obtuse halo
yeah that's pretty good lmao
hybrid perch
Could anyone trade today? (Ansbachs set)
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Twitter
vivid spire
Mickey the kind wants to make the Happiest Place on Earth
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I’ve called him Mickey Law for years
mighty warren
https://youtu.be/Ex9ekh-jtgs?si=ma-6yEyYJaUOrd4Q
Finally getting to watch this and holy fuck
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wives together strong
vivid spire
POLYCULE
warm wharf
Damn, that final boss sure is a kick in the head
Mesmer was a lot of fun
This last one just has some attacks that seem maybe kind of actually partially undodgeable? ||Like the one where he does the meteors into the chrono-stutter smashes, more than can be dodged at medium roll as far as I can tell, in to large slam into an explosion.||
||I can dodge the meteors, guard through the small hits, and then dodge and jump, but it feels weird to have part of that require blocking. Is there a way to perfectly avoid the whole thing?||
covert schooner
The first one is dodgeable but iirc it needs to be pretty close to frame perfect
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its based more on positioning and running than dodging afaik
if you want to perfect avoid it
||theres ways to run to consistently dodge the meteors, and ways to strafe where the clones miss (and then I think you dodge the final hit either way)||
vivid spire
languid tiger
atomic plinth
THE CALL OF LONG-LOST GRACE SPEAKS TO US ALL
HOARAH LOUX, CHIEFTAIN OF THE BADLANDS
THE EVER-BRILLIANT GOLDMASK
FIA, THE DEATHBED COMAPNION
THE
obtuse halo
Good
outer flint
😌
mighty warren
spoiling incase folk don't wanna see it abruptly but, cemetery shade without its smoky effects
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spoiling incase folk don't wanna see it abruptly but, cemetery shade without its...
me at 2 am in the kitchen looking for SMITHING STONE +3
obtuse halo
I didn't know the insect hat came off
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Fromsoft weapons team working on the next game: “shit, fuck, we’ve done all of the medieval weapons, what new weapon types do we do now??”
their eyes turn slowly to the forbidden corner
They’ll do it eventually
light bridge
Is that the renown parry shield lantern with spikes?
lilac condor
Make it a shield-seal combo to go with the Carian casting sword
atomic plinth
Fromsoft weapons team working on the next game: “shit, fuck, we’ve done all of t...
Bring back trick weapons
real shadow
spring marlin
Marika is a Hypocrite
in other news, water is wet
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my horny ass could never be graced with the blessing of the Queen Eternal
vivid spire
W-
hybrid perch
Looks like something from bloodborne
outer flint
:O
onyx trench
Looks like 1.13 notes were posted as it finished patching so check back in 2hrs 15 ig
median rock
are patch notes out? or is this from reddit/etc.
mighty warren
From reddit
no notes still
|| https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/1fe57b2/confirmed_dlc_final_boss_lightparticle_effects/ ||
footage is from a PS4 if you're concerned about the frame drop
correction
the entire patch containers adjustments to the final boss apparently
median rock
oh thank fuck ||the left-right-double swing 3 hit combo got slowed down LOL||
||i still hadn't figured out how to dodge it, despite killing him 3-4 times solo & 2x in coop||
languid tiger
that's...unfortunate
I suppose now that it's been trivialized at least people will stop whining
I'm happy with the particle nerfs, though
never had any issues there, but that's not what I wanted preserved
onyx trench
Bug fix and slight DLC balance patch
Most notably the first tap heavy attack on most weapon types is faster
languid tiger
and the final boss is now probably the easiest fight in the dlc
those numbers on the nerfs are absurd
mighty warren
I'll withhold remarks till i see it in motion but eh, i got my two kills on pre nerf
i'm getting my shirt
steel scroll
Joseph Anderson wins again. I kneel.
median rock
hm, i don't think i wanted a major nerf to dlc final boss
i would have been content with the vfx, the one attack i mentioned above, and possibly ||toning down the spread for a couple of the light waves if you're far away - in coop, it can be kinda really awful to try to roll through them for certain combos in certain positions||
in particular, i think the damage overall was fine. speed/combos were the bigger issue?
languid tiger
||every single attack is like 20% slower and drastically weaker||
median rock
i would have been content with the vfx, the one attack i mentioned above, and po...
i guess to clarify this - ||certain combos are borderline undodgeable in the range band of around ~4 (give or take a meter) away, since it's not safe to roll either forward (into the attack, from that distance) or back (into the lightwaves)||
median rock
||every single attack is like 20% slower and drastically weaker||
oh, damn
median rock
and the final boss is now probably the easiest fight in the dlc
like, genuinelythe easiest boss now?
languid tiger
probably not actually, but I don't think it's even in the top half of dlc bosses now
median rock
damn... wild
if that's true, i think i'd prefer the borderline unfair version, since i'd rather the DLC capstone be something brutally difficult than something that's a pushover
languid tiger
the speed reductions were enormous
median rock
i'll have to load the boss up tomorrow mornign to test
languid tiger
I think it did make the big swoop attack slightly more annoying, actually, just because now it's vaguely morgottish
in its delay
median rock
interesting other misc change sim happy to see - buff for hand-to-hand weapons (damage & recovery time), buffs for certain small/medium shields (negation & guard boost), buffed range on smith daggers, and buff for rellana's cameo (shorter timer, more damage)
median rock
im particularly happy about medium shields getting some decent guard boost, if thats the case - it would be nice to have medium shields not be entirely unusable for actually blocking certain bosses
light bridge
I killed the final boss before, but this makes it less painful to do new runs
median rock
im also happy to see that the sword of light/dark got faster speeds on their L2s, they were really slow. like ungodly hard to use
light bridge
Because I disliked it
median rock
because they were already good
yeah tbh thats a little bit of a ??? buff imo
i would have said they were in a very good place, not nearly in need of a buff at all
LOL divine bird feathers got "buffed" by now being bugged
doesnt cost FP to channel. probably still garbage
median rock
i haven't tested new version, but i remember old version staggered basically zero things. it would be nice if it had a little bit more stagger (NOT stance break necessarily but whatever the threshold that governs the micro-stagger when certain enemies take hits) so you could at least use it to wipe out random misc knights
languid tiger
im also happy to see that the sword of light/dark got faster speeds on their L2s...
never used either, interested in seeing how much faster they are now
light bridge
They were very slow
median rock
i used/am using light on my euporia run
light bridge
Only usable in pvp for zoning
median rock
since light is 20% more holy damage for 60s (body buff), and darkness is 20% less holy damage negation to enemies hit
but they were so long that i could only just prebuff with light, and darkness was never viable
languid tiger
swift spear nerf is tragic though
light bridge
Yeah
median rock
was it busted?
light bridge
Specially since it was already niche
light bridge
No, it was just ok
light bridge
Nothing special, not very strong either
languid tiger
and now it's been slowed down
median rock
ok, tha'ts what i would have said, but i tried it for ~5m after picking it up and then bagged it
outer flint
dang, I was going to use that on my dex run
median rock
hm. the patch notes don't say it got slowed down?
languid tiger
this is genuinely a dogshit patch imo
median rock
they just say it has more recovery time
languid tiger
It will now take longer to be able to cancel into most actions after performing one-handed normal attacks with the Swift Spear.
same difference usually
median rock
i'm assuming 'most actions' != swinging again
languid tiger
endlag vs anim time
median rock
since that doesnt sound like a cancel
languid tiger
mm, fair
median rock
so i'm assuming they're referring to rolling out immediately
languid tiger
have to see what it's like, I don't have mine out
but it was not a great weapon
so any nerfs are...misguided at best
h2h buffs are welcome because I think they're cool, but probably a terrible idea because they already hit hard and were fast
PCR nerfs have turned him into kind of a joke
median rock
i think recovery buff would be reasonable but im really not sure what the dmg buff is about. i don't think they needed a recovery buff but i will say the recovery on certain attacks was a sticking point
languid tiger
taunted by smithscript dagger buffs that didn't do anything for what it needed (damage)
(god fuck it needs damage)
median rock
but yeah, charged r2 into r2 chain on h2h was good already
languid tiger
bird feathers also not getting damage is pain
but the delay reduction is good, so I won't complain about that
median rock
Fixed a bug where performing a Light Greatsword heavy attack while jumping did not consume stamina.
lmao what
languid tiger
wtf
median rock
Fixed a bug where Godfrey’s Icon Talisman did not apply to some Skills, Spells, and Incantations.
oh damn, i wonder what this was affecting?
languid tiger
didn't notice that fucking LGS bug
median rock
oh god. does godfrey boost KLS incant now
it used to before but only the first spear, i think, not the follow up spears
ah, probably rings of spectral light as an example - fextra says it's chargeable but not godfreyable as of patch 1.13
languid tiger
I think there were a bunch of those
mighty warren
> Fixed a bug where Godfrey’s Icon Talisman did not apply to some Skills, Spells...
I know theres a good few charge ables in SOTE that just werent activating with godfrey so likely just a pass over all of em
median rock
yeah fair enough
median rock
Fixed a bug that caused the Rolling Sparks Skill to go through some terrain.
stop, it was already dead 😔
median rock
i wonder if the crucible miranda incantation is good now
median rock
grav missile
languid tiger
that one iirc wasn't getting godfrey'd
median rock
both grav spells weren't according to fetxra
languid tiger
oh right, that's good
median rock
i want to know what the delay now is
it was 2s? probably 1s now?
ah, it was 1.5s before. still probably 1s now. and probably 15%->20% damage buff?
outer flint
buff's to rellana's swords for lower str and fth, and faster stance r1, more poise damage on stance r2, and more range on twin moons
good stuff for rellana gear users 😌
obtuse halo
(god fuck it needs damage)
*Laughs in bow*
frozen olive
Damn, they nerfed the final boss of SOTE?
mighty warren
Heavily.
mighty warren
Like, to a too much degree if you ask me
the vfx nerf was warranted but he's so slow now
frozen olive
The only thing i wanted to be nerfed was the vfx in phase 2
mighty warren
Same
frozen olive
I don't think anything else should have been nerfed personally
mighty warren
it was genuinely one of my favorite fights
frozen olive
Fr
mighty warren
Here's hoping the modding community gives the option to go back to the original's mechanical difficulty without the visual difficulty
frozen olive
I think it was perfrctly reasonable for PCR to be hella difficult
Gonna have to try it out now and see how much they nerfed it
Honestly pretty disappointed
mighty warren
I think it was perfrctly reasonable for PCR to be hella difficult
Aye, this isnt like balteus or something where you needed to beat him to even get to the real meat of the game, this is the finale for the game
frozen olive
Yeah exactly
||No other boss has as good a claim to overwhelming strength as Promised Consort Radahn either imo. The soul of the mightisdt demigod, incarnated with some extra bloodflame power and later literally boosted by God Miquella sitting on his back like a power pack. Of Course a fight like that is going to be more difficult than basically anything else||
mighty warren
|| i do wish the bloodflame was a bit more used, maybe like one more extra attack with it||
frozen olive
Yeah same
Anyway i'm gonna need to boot up the game and fight PCR again to see how much they changed the fight
languid tiger
Anyway i'm gonna need to boot up the game and fight PCR again to see how much th...
it's...it's real rough, chief
and reddit is overjoyed, of course
mighty warren
and reddit is overjoyed, of course
i am unsurprised.
frozen olive
That was the only thing i actually wanted them to change
mighty warren
another thing that made the overwhelming strength warranted
you can just
walk the fuck away, i know that sounds dumb cause its the dlc's final boss but like
languid tiger
the intoxicating combo of "we don't want gatekeepers in this fandom" and "oh? you liked PCR? kill yourself, wrongthinker"
mighty warren
it has no baring on the story, you can walk
languid tiger
it's supposed to be an optional superboss in a challenge content dlc...
mighty warren
Hey orphan of kos
languid tiger
they never nerfed malenia, despite her actively warping the mechanics of the game
but PCR is just "a boss, but hard"
and now "a boss, but a joke"
might be a good thing for bow only, though, looking on the bright side
you can attack between every hit of most combos
with the speed nerfs
outer flint
this sounds rough 
languid tiger
it's only rough if you wanted the final boss to be difficult
outer flint
i suppose
languid tiger
which i really did, because i felt incredibly happy fighting it
it felt cool and rewarding and fittingly challenging for something I wanted to be hype
but i guess more people just wanted the win, and didn't want to greatshield + summon
mighty warren
It was also the only boss that took me more than one sitting to kill
well, least on my first run
languid tiger
it was the only sote boss that took me more than five tries
and yeah, that was like
two, three sittings
of several hours each
but the next-closest thing for me was Bayle
mighty warren
but i guess more people just wanted the win, and didn't want to greatshield + su...
not gonna lie i usually run a greatshield as an alternative to my catalyst by default so seeing how hard it stuffed the boi was funny
languid tiger
who i tackled with Igon at like 1.0 scadutree 7, and got very lucky on attempt #5
probably would've taken me longer but i got generous patterns
frozen olive
I was actually quite happy with the challenge
When i beat PCR solo i felt very accomplished
languid tiger
yeah I'm just...gonna have to mod it i guess
because you can now colossal sword r1
outer flint
same other than ||clones||, i never really figured out what to do which was a bit of a bummer
otherwise, i had a good time
languid tiger
in between PCR attacks (within combos)
outer flint
zamn
outer flint
i gotta see a youtube vid or smth
languid tiger
not all of the combos, but the four-hit and two-hit
frozen olive
That'a crazy
languid tiger
and the three-hit you can do smaller r1s like axe/sword
(keep in mind this is also in conjunction with yet another colossal sword speed buff)
frozen olive
languid tiger
(so the difference is slightly reduced)
(but no colossal non-sword buffs...)
me when the royal greatsword gets buffed again
mighty warren
(keep in mind this is also in conjunction with yet another colossal sword speed ...
i am fascinated as to why CS keeps getting buffed
frozen olive
I defeated him with a colossal sword and an incantation before he got nerfed and it didn't feel awful to do
mighty warren
i always saw it as one of the REALLY good weapon types
frozen olive
It was just difficult which is what i wanted