Elden Ring (DLC hype room)

[proven cloak]

more cults like the Rot Cult, less things like the Rot God

[covert schooner]

Yeah probably

[warped quest]

its mainly the dialog talking about removing the certainy of emotions and removing her order fomr the ladn that feels very removing god's influence

no more guidence or influnce on someones destiny

[proven cloak]

I've never really seen the game as about the Gods as agents, at least the distant ones

but more about how people interact with and utilize religion and ideology

Most of the non-human divine actors seem very reactive

||Like the bloodfiends or Romina reaching out to their Outer Gods after persecution, or Shabriri / Nanaya spreading the frenzied flame (and persecution intensifying it), or the Fingers saying 'trust me bro I got a phone-line to god' even as they back different - and mutually exclusive! - empyrean candidates||

Crucible, Current, Order, Rot - they almost act like forces on the world, and its the people who poke at them that cause the big shakeups

It wasn't the Outer God of Scarlet Rot who caused Caelid to turn to what it is, now.

[proven cloak]

so I can respect this read but I feel like its less compelling to me personally than some of the other options. Kind of takes what I find interesting about ER's cosmology and makes it feel more like traditional fantasies

to me, Ranni's age is less "Mortals v. Gods", and more "No one path is going to be the path"

an inverse of the Shattering, where everyone was lost without guidance - a world where there is no guidance expected, no reflected light, no dominant way of life, no Order.

Just a cold, dark, moon to answer you back.

which is a pretty good ending tbh

[atomic plinth]

...huh

Why does the Erdtree look so spectral from here

[atomic plinth]

Bwuh

I have literally never seen this happen what the hell

[warped quest]

what happen?

[grave plinth]

The sheath is still attached to the sword

[warped quest]

oh

[real shadow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T--MrFL97c

[outer flint]

LOL

this reminded me of the dmc 5 cutscene where vergil bonks dante with his sheathed sword, which then made me realize that a vergil build is right there, summoned swords and all

[atomic plinth]

Lmao true

[outer flint]

🥶

moonveil could work, even though he does Drive with force edge

I guess MLGS is there for that

OH AND THERE'S MARTIAL ARTS NOW

perfect

that's all 3 weapons

[atomic plinth]

Or the Meteor Greatsword

Wait no I'm thinking of the wrong move

[outer flint]

i really wish a Frayed Blade R2 skill AoW was added 😔

that flurry of slashes felt so good

and it's one of vergil's normal combos too..

[real shadow]

The vtuber Bijou did a Vergil run in ER recently, even got through the DLC committing to the bit.

[outer flint]

oooh

😌

[real shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/koseki-bijou-biboo-vibing-cute-hololive-gif-7862723077319467418

[gray leaf]

Congratulations! You've stumbled into the not-totally-implausible theory that the reason why the erdtree stopped dripping sap is because it is now an illusion.

[atomic plinth]

Those thorns sure aren't illusory

[gray leaf]

The thorns aren't, but the theory basically implies that there's a real stump but the upper portion of it is illusory.

[atomic plinth]

Good point

[proven cloak]

pulling out a spyglass re-solidifies it, so I consider it a rendering bug

but ghost-tree is semi-popular, yeah

I don't know how that theory explains the Ashen Capital, though - especially the collapsed branches

Ranni aah tree 💀

[median rock]

honestly the biggest issue I have is with the falling leaves

I can't see the tree being illusory when it still occasionally showers golden leaves down

[proven cloak]

I think 'illusory' might be the wrong word for ER in general

Goldfrey, Ancestor Spirit, Renalla, The Roundtable Hold, Margit- all can be physically interacted with

the Fell Omens can still beat your ass

or Loretta the first

calling any of those illusions isnt wrong, but might have the wrong connotations

could be a spirit tree

[median rock]

construct is probably a better one

[proven cloak]

imo theres a strong arguement that the final boss of the base game isn't fought on the same 'plane' or mode of reality

It does the spirit calling animation, the difference between the Relic Sword and Marika's body, the entire battlefield changing

🤷‍♂️

[median rock]

but yeah I can't see any real arguments for it being an illusion or construct when

1. it's very obviously physically burnable- not in some metaphorical way, it is clearly burning from real and relatively straightforward (albeit magical n super strong) fire
2. it still has other physical manifestations, like roots and leaves, and nothing to suggest what would have lopped off half and left the rest fairly alive

yeah I think in a lot of ways it acts as a seal akin to the ones in raya lucaria

[proven cloak]

people who subscribe to Great-Tree theory, or the idea that there have been single dominating trees before the Erdtree usually call that the real bits, with the gold a later addition

[median rock]

where it both blocks n then opens to teleport you

[proven cloak]

though I dont think that read is as well supported

as just - the Erdtree is a big tree

given the DLC cultures we see I'm doubting there was any sort of World-Tree before Marika, at least in the age directly before

even ||The Scadutree is said to be the Erdtrees shadow, and born at the same time as it||

I could see the Erdtree existing in both physical and spirit forms overlapping

it is whats regulating life, death, and spirits in the Lands Between

but its definitely made of wood that you can knock on

[gray leaf]

The arguments (all in the base game) include the ideas that ||Leyndell has a bunch of ash piles even before you burn the Erdtree and all the windows and doors are sealed against dust/ash|| and ||the weird translucency of the Erdtree in points|| and ||a few other references to illusionary Erdtrees in places, such as in combination with the golden seals and also A DLC Thing|| but it's definitely not that cut-and-dried.

[atomic plinth]

Lmao dumbass got stuck

...just remembered why I hate using shields lmao

[vale mountain]

Zullie makes some amazing thumbnails out of context

[covert schooner]

even newer video?

[vale mountain]

yeah this one dropped earlier today

[atomic plinth]

What's the minimum amount of poise I should be aiming for at all times?

[obtuse halo]

For pvp it really super depends, for pve 51 is the big breakpoint

[atomic plinth]

Right, will 50 be fine or does the 1 point make a gigantic difference?

[warped quest]

most attacks do either 50 or 100 spoise damage

so you do need that 1

[atomic plinth]

Right

[obtuse halo]

https://www.reddit.com/r/EldenRingPVP/comments/15fep51/elden_ring_patch_110_new_hyper_armour_poise_value/?share_id=lae339Z3Kos2boLs61wZE&utm_content=2&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1

[atomic plinth]

Current fit has me at 50, 67 if I use Bullgoat

[obtuse halo]

For pvp it’s a whole rabbit hole

[atomic plinth]

So I guess I gotta find some gloves that'll fit and bump it up a tiny bit

[obtuse halo]

Super up to you but that close yeah i’d look for a way to squeeze out one more

[atomic plinth]

I guess Rellana's Gloves go with it alright

[obtuse halo]

That said I frequently just wear pure fashion and accept my poise is dogshit lol

[atomic plinth]

Any suggestions for other gauntlets that might fit?

Ah, this'll do

[obtuse halo]

Is that one of the soldier gloves?

[atomic plinth]

Aye, Leyendell

Matches the little pauldron on the Ronin chestpiece weirdly well

...some guy called Pelvis Collector apparently invaded right before the host that summoned me started the boss

I feel I've avoided a fate most gruesome

[obtuse halo]

Oh my

[outer flint]

long may the sun shine! 😌

just some area in a location with a message

nothing too spoilery

[proven cloak]

Seek Storm,
Lord...

[atomic plinth]

I miss the Catarina knights

[proven cloak]

they were funny

you'd never catch me in their fits though

[outer flint]

in the ||fort of reprimand, is the black knight the only boss?|| area and boss spoilies

[outer flint]

😔

[proven cloak]

yes, but theres a few optional parts of that dungeon with other loot

like a ||Marika's Rune|| or ||an Iris||

[outer flint]

got those :D

[proven cloak]

then you got it

looks like theres also a talisman but I think I missed that one

just a better version of ||one of the elemental resists||

[outer flint]

||hippo|| down B)

[outer flint]

i see

ty!

yeah i don't think I got a talisman

that's 18 dex!!

no more dex talisman for great katana

[stone cove]

Bahahaa

Wound up the great katana heavy, thenturned it into a feint

which immediately ugtted the poor guy who was like i'll; roll in and stab em

[glossy delta]

The great katana moveset has a feint??????

[stone cove]

Yup

Also lol, there's this guy who is just spamming Beast's roar in the colosseum

but every time he fightss me and i counter by 8shock* healing

he disconnectes

just like the saddest saltyness ever

[outer flint]

^^^^

i have upgraded both of my light greatswords

somber +9 and normal +21 (i ran out of runes )

gonna mess around with em tmrw

i got 325k from helping someone with elden beast (must've been ng+ or ng+2 😌 )

honestly, leveling higher means i probably get more ng+ hosts

and they seem to know what they're doing, which is nice

except for a dlc summon I got, I think that was a scadutree check tho

and I got a dlc hunter summon!! the red ran away so we did an area boss (no fog gate)

I was originally posted up outside, but ended up smacking the boss for fun, then the red came in I shouldn't have abandoned my post, but the host died, the red pointed down, and the co-operator killed the boss which counted as a successful defend 😌

[atomic plinth]

Do my stats seem decent for Starlined Sword?

Or do I need more dex?

[languid tiger]

way less str, more dex

also level 328 with only 60 vig is deranged

wouldn't you be in like NG+2 or +3 by that point?

seems super sketchy

but yeah, star-lined wants 80 dex

[atomic plinth]

60 vig is the hard cap though innit?

Also thanks, I'll go hit up Renalla

[frail sky]

It starts being a lot less useful after 60 (like +5 per level) yeah

[atomic plinth]

Roight, 71 dex with Millicent's Prosthesis

I'm keeping some strength because I also enjoy larger weapons sometimes

Time to hit up the dumbass bird in Mohgwyn

[languid tiger]

softcap, but yes

[atomic plinth]

Softcap, yeah, my bad

[languid tiger]

hardcap means literally no increase (or no ability to increase)

so 99 for every stat except str

in ER

[atomic plinth]

Does STR not have a softcap?

[languid tiger]

nope

er

yes

softcap

it does not have a hardcap

which is the one i was talking about :v

[atomic plinth]

Ah, right

[languid tiger]

str used to be able to go over 99 in ER just naturally

[atomic plinth]

God I remember that

[languid tiger]

as in, if you hit 99 and added things like the starscourge heirloom or the str tear, you'd manually go to 114

[atomic plinth]

Kinda miss it

[languid tiger]

but now it only goes over 99 when two-handing

[kind garden]

damn, STR had it like that?

[atomic plinth]

Related to this, is it worth farming gold horn tender?

[languid tiger]

i believe it was a quirk of their attempts to keep the 2h overflow

probably way faster to just farm the fowl feet

[atomic plinth]

True

[languid tiger]

30% vs 40%

and the farm is probably a lot more than that 10% slower

like uh

20-30%

maybe more, idk if there's a good grace to farm from like the bird one in caelid

[atomic plinth]

There's the spot in ||Midra's Manse||

||Where there's three inquisitors the room right next to a grace on the third floor||

hehehehehehehehehehe

Funi number

782 AR is passable, right?

...wait, no, it'd be 15% higher

899 AR

Yeah that seems pretty decent

[obtuse halo]

'passable' you can say good. That's pretty good. 😛

[atomic plinth]

Lol

And when I get but one level in dex I'll have a full 900+ AR

...though I question if I'd get better results dual wielding these

...oh right I forgot I don't like powerstanced katanas

[obtuse halo]

fun fact, did you know you can get an angle on Mohg from outside his arena?

he didn't even notice the test arrows I shot at him though so he might be invincible lol

(this is for a build who should absolutely not be fighting mogh though lol, she's like level 50 and most of that is just getting vig to something respectable)

(and she's wearing both seals to get her str and int up to par, so...)

[grave plinth]

Man i wasn’t aware the mound maker covenant was in elden ring

[real shadow]

https://x.com/enk_0/status/1817636844512625065

𝐄 𝐍 𝐊 𝐎 ☕️ Elden artist (@enk_0) on X

i don't know why i did this

Twitter · Jul 28, 2024, 7:02 PM

[median rock]

iirc the old bug was that you could apply status but not damage by shooting mohg like that. so you had to get 99 serpentbone arrows and try to poison him to death. supposedly this was patched out w the pre DLC patch though, as well as another mohg cheese

[proven cloak]

https://medium.com/@Mirko_LaMi/shadow-of-the-erdtree-lost-in-translation-eng-0e7701104786

someone made notes made about SOTE's translations

[proper vortex]

just finished ng+ time to rego in the dlc to get a second milady

[frail sky]

I appreciate the frequent “please don’t insult the translators, they did a good job with what they had”

[atomic plinth]

Y'know the one thing I wish about the Star Lined Sword

I wish it was larger

[outer flint]

my brother might have accidentally told me which boss is in this area 😭 but i guess i could've guessed

but he came by and checked out my build 😌

[proven cloak]

yeah its an unenviable spot to be in

plus (imo) people are really quick to jump to mistranslation versus just 'same point but said in a weird way on purpose'

games text is written obscured

I like the cultural detail they underline ||for the Shamans||

||while specifying 'yeah idk what else you'd use but Shaman'||

(I'm also a fan of the Potentate wordplay)

[proven cloak]

you're at Shadow Keep?

[outer flint]

yems

[grave plinth]

Marika the Itako….
Shaman King flashbacks

[atomic plinth]

Lmao look at this dude's fashion

[proven cloak]

its definitely another point of evidence towards "Marika as Torrent's former owner" or "Roderika reminds Hewg of Marika / parallels her"

[grave plinth]

This also raises questions about just how much potential Roderika has

[obtuse halo]

She may straight up be a minor member of the Golden Lineage, and her fears regarding grafting may be a little different than they are on the surface - her conflicted feelings about being reunited with her men might be because she'd expect to be the face of the spider, and not an arm of it

she specifically mentions a head, even.

[median rock]

roderika is probably not remotely related the golden lineage considering she isn't from the lands between

[obtuse halo]

I mean, neither are the Numen.

[median rock]

like she's tarnished so technically a descendant of the warriors but considering she seems to be a noble from a different country, I think it's highly unlikely

[atomic plinth]

80 dex reached baybee

Now each swing of me sword deals 911 damage, thanks to the Two Handed Sword Talisman

Which I reckon ain't half bad on a katana

What staff/seal would be best for my build?

[proven cloak]

60
75
I think PoD or Carian, and Fundementalist?

not sure when PoD overtakes GB

[atomic plinth]

What I figured

Mostly wasn't sure if there were better seals available

[proven cloak]

GB is underrated imo

it pulls ahead before the late game ones spike

[atomic plinth]

Remind me what GB is?

[proven cloak]

||Metyr's Finger Staff||

||I'd call it Finger Staff but I didnt want to spoil tag it each time||

afaik at 60/60 its comparable or ahead of Prince of Death and Fundie, and lets you cast anything

its ahead at 50/50

[outer flint]

i want that 2h talisman 😩 is it relatively late in the dlc?

[median rock]

its rushable

[atomic plinth]

It's not, no, it has 343 scaling compared to PoD's 391 and Fundie's 380

[obtuse halo]

This is only part of the picture fwiw - if you have lopsided investment, pod gets better earlier. 60/40 performs better than 50/50

[atomic plinth]

This look decent? Trying for an armored/longcoat look.

[median rock]

the talisman is just in a chest, and while it's not super close to the starting area its definitely rushable

[atomic plinth]

Aye

This does look kinda better actually...

[median rock]

||there's one recently hard boss guarding it, but you can take a detour to a spiritspring to jump up and skip her. I would strongly recommend googling the path if u want that though - it's not trivial to find||

[atomic plinth]

I can help with said boss

[proven cloak]

yeah its something you'll find if you really explore, but ||you gotta find the right ruin||

[proven cloak]

mb I replaced all the spellcasting numbers in my head with item descriptions

[outer flint]

oop

[median rock]

you could probably do it in ~5m of running around if you had directions, maybe a couple hours without :p

[outer flint]

i see....

does it only mean 2 handing or even paired weapons

[kind garden]

paired weapons won't work

you need to have both hands on your weapon to get 2H talisman boost

[glossy delta]

Huh, some neat stuff here
Though also some stuff that I realize I read correctly that other people didnt
I always figured that Romina's line meant ||'weave into' as 'integrate', not 'create from'||
||She added the funny magic bud to the scarlet rot to create the Red Pests and her exploding butterfly stuff||

[kind garden]

doesn't work on weapon skills either

[real shadow]

https://vxtwitter.com/AndrewMichaan/status/1822312107523936729

[outer flint]

😏 aight

thanks luna

maybe I'll go grab it later

[kind garden]

some talismans have bizarre restrictions

[atomic plinth]

What do y'all think, drip or drown

[obtuse halo]

mmmm i'm not going to say drown but something does feel off to me

[atomic marsh]

why you gotta drip check in front of the crucified guy

[umbral portal]

Aesthetic

[outer flint]

LOL

[outer flint]

agreed, for me the crucible knight shoulders are a bit too wide without a helmet, but it still looks good

[atomic plinth]

True

[obtuse halo]

Suddenly wondering how blue silver chest would go with dane’s hat on the subject of a longcoat look, but my gut tells me the color match is too much of a stretch

Blue Silver Chest is one of my favorite pieces that feels impossible to match with anything lol

[atomic plinth]

Aye

Cause it's such a specific color

And any bracers thicker than paper rolls the sleeves up

[obtuse halo]

Yeah I remember when I was trying out fits and first noticed the sleeves rolling up and practically died laughing

the mighty elbows

[outer flint]

oh that's cool armor

[atomic plinth]

Fr

Shame that literally everything rolls the sleeves up

[obtuse halo]

the full set looks like this

but yeah basically anything but bracelets rolls the sleeves up, and the mail skirt doesn't come with shoes

I actually don't hate the coif but I think it works better as a chain coif for use with plate armor than it does on top of the chest piece. I've seen it used with Rellana's set and looks great there

the longcoat on the chest piece is really cool but unfortunately the color, while this pretty bluish-silver, visibly mismatches with almost everything else you could think to pair it with

oh and just for good measure it sucks ass to grind because it's a low% drop from the Archers at Ordina.

[atomic plinth]

The hat looks... surprisingly good, actually

Proving once more that Dane's Hat goes good with literally anything

[obtuse halo]

huh yeah, there you go

black knife legs look decent here too

[atomic plinth]

Only issue being, they have... really terrible poise

And defense

Only have 35 poise with this setup sans Bullgoat, 45 with it

And the defenses are Not Great even with Pearldrake and Dragoncrest

[obtuse halo]

I mean, yeah, it's 1000% a fashion pick

I gave up on poise and decent defenses long ago, when the game was new, before armor was buffed to be worthwhile

[atomic plinth]

Though Solitude greaves don't stand out hugely

[obtuse halo]

like, by my sixth playthrough, this was my outfit for 95% of the game

[atomic plinth]

Lmao fair

[obtuse halo]

hot girl outfit tbh

😛

I did dress up a bit for the final boss tho

[atomic plinth]

As one should

Consort Mask, Cleanrot Chest/Greaves, Crucible Gauntlets?

Good picks

...I could

Perhaps

Embrace it

Low equip load and Blue Dancer Charm

[atomic marsh]

That's a fantastic fit

[atomic plinth]

Will Blue Dancer do anything for me at this equip load?

[atomic marsh]

This be mine

[atomic plinth]

...oh, it'd barely give me any boost

Tbh Blue Dancer seems like it's only useful for Naked Fucker With A Stick builds

[languid tiger]

it is

115% scale for 0 equip load

[obtuse halo]

no

[atomic plinth]

Be a lot more useful if it was just a flat % of "if you're at Light you get X% more damage"

[languid tiger]

more than 8 units and you don't really care about it overmuch

[obtuse halo]

oh lol i didn't scroll

which is real rough when your talismans alone probably weigh 4-5

[atomic plinth]

Aye

[languid tiger]

16 units is the point after which you get less than a 110% scale

i.e. when it's just not good

[obtuse halo]

that said dragon communion builds can get some real bang for their buck out of Blue Dancer

[languid tiger]

flat units gives it a lot of charm to me

it makes it more interesting

instead of just "yet another 10% physical damage boost talisman"

[obtuse halo]

it's specifically for physical damage but Dragonmaw/Claw work great, dragon communion seal weighs 0, and you can use ||the rock heart|| for more Dragon Communion Buff and flat defense at 0 weight

[frozen olive]

True

That does actually sound like it couldmake the charm far more usable

[languid tiger]

i've been making good use out of it on my current run, anyway

but the gnaaa button would probably make it even better

[obtuse halo]

oh, Rot Breath is also phys so it'd apply to that too

not the rot scaling though, just the damage part

though rot breath does surprisingly respectable base damage anyway

[obtuse halo]

I didn't comment but this is very solid

leda's armor looks good on anyone, admittedly 😛

[atomic plinth]

Huh, prelate greaves don't look half bad with this

[outer flint]

these knights hurt

[stone cove]

Black or Fire?

[outer flint]

fire

shadow keep has got me all kinds of confused too

[stone cove]

Fire knights are mean

Very fun fights though

[old brook]

I think some of the dagger moveset could calm down on tracking, or something, but they are real coole

[outer flint]

yeah the daggers are tough

it's me

i'm stripped of the grace of gold

[vivid spire]

Nah you have a crown

[outer flint]

[outer flint]

aughhhh

[atomic plinth]

Dagger knights are awful to fight unless you can stunlock em

[old brook]

I did get into a fun place where charged Rancor / Glintstone Phalanx was perfectly enough to stagger them into oneshot crit territory

but also; that place is cursed for phalanx

[obtuse halo]

Ooof I’ll bet

Soooo much clutter, so many tight corners and passages…

[outer flint]

[frail sky]

||Congrats on not meeting death in the embrace of Messsssssmer's flame||

[outer flint]

yeah the way that's said

😭

death knight....

done!

[frail sky]

[outer flint]

just have to dodge the lifesteal fist++

I wish we got that 😔

how has your.... dex? run been going rose

[obtuse halo]

Getting hit by that was emotionally devastating on bow only because I’d already used half my arrows

[frail sky]

I think I ended up switching from dex to something else, but it's been a bit since I played

[outer flint]

[outer flint]

noooooo

idk where to go next...

if only i had a map

trying to get to da map..

oh

someone was yapping earlier

never found em

[outer flint]

ah I got to the next area

sleeby time

[atomic plinth]

Will using literally any mods make me unable to go online?

Kinda considering getting one that makes Dane's hat a nice dark shade

[stone cove]

Afaik, yes

[atomic plinth]

Kinda dig Lusat's manchettes with blue silver mail, gives me a wandering mage-knight kinda vibe

[vivid spire]

Even seamless co op?

[stone cove]

That is the exception and i dont know what dark wizardy they do to get it working

[vivid spire]

sold their souls to Miyazaki obviously

[stone cove]

Oh, there we go.

It works by disalbing easy anti-cheat.

And usign a different save file structure etc

[vivid spire]

And if it breaks it might break your whole game right

[warped quest]

i thought it also does what some of the other mods do for older games and runs on its own server

[stone cove]

Afaik the only thing that can break is if you try and convert a seamless coop save file back into a normal save file. At which point you're liable to eat a ban for going online with it, due to illegal items.

[vivid spire]

Why does fromsoft hate mods so much lmao

[warped quest]

japan in general just doesnt care about them

[vivid spire]

Oh

Is it a cultural thing

[warped quest]

i honestly can't think of a single japense game with decent mod support, its either hostile or just don't care about it entirely

most of the anti mod stuff in elden ring is just anti cheat stuff

its pretty much ff14 that seems the most postive about it

[stone cove]

Less mods, more cheating. Now is easy anti cheat an appropriate solution? No fucking clue

[warped quest]

i feel if there was any big one that i could see being really suportive

it woudl be sega

[stone cove]

As I understand it, it's only in recent years PC has really become a thing in Japan, it was previously mostly a console domain

[warped quest]

sega seems to be the company that feels the most supportive of fan works in general

[stone cove]

And modding consoles is well off the beaten path already compared to PC games

[warped quest]

i know capcom hates mods a lot, and nintendo is hostile towrds anything even remotely unoffical

[proven cloak]

iirc they know about Seamless Co-op and mentioned they don't mind it

[warped quest]

yeah fromsoft id put in the "don't care, but might accidently make it harder"

[frozen olive]

Yeah i'm fairly sure they made a statement that they know about it and at least had positive thoughts about it

[spring marlin]

in a perfect world fromsoft would learn from seamless co-op's netcode

but this is not a perfect world...

[mighty warren]

yknow what fuck it
im gonna just start throwing stuff at people aswell as my incantations

[real shadow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15oxX3C-PYM

[spring marlin]

i can't believe his name is JUST ahab in the code

incredible

[grave plinth]

Dragon Communion Ahab

[frozen olive]

TIL that (boss spoiler)||Bayle The Dreads boss arena is absolutely covered in Dragon Calorbloom, a flower that exclusively sprouts just once from the heart of a dragon communion warrior||

||Unsurprisingly Bayle has been utterly massacring all Drake Warriors who dared to face him||

[atomic plinth]

This seem like a decent talisman setup?

Considering swapping the prosthetic and the pearldrake for Flock's Canvas and Graven Mass

[frozen olive]

Two hand talisman with dual weapons?

[atomic plinth]

Dual weapons?

I'm only using one Moonveil

[frozen olive]

Staff and sword

[atomic plinth]

Oh, that

I two-hand when I want to attack and one-hand when I wanna cast

It's worked out fine for me

[frozen olive]

I see

Fair enough

[vivid spire]

Silly headcannon: there’s definitely more Vykes and Lannseaxxes in the world

[atomic plinth]

I do know Pearldrake is kind of not the greatest elemental defense talisman but it covers my weaknesses well enough and I can swap to a more specific one

[atomic plinth]

There are 1000% more dragonfuckers than him in the Lands Between

...actually, is their relationship romantic? I can't recall.

[vivid spire]

Yes

[atomic plinth]

My comment stands, then

[vivid spire]

Lannessax’s glaive and Vykes Dragonbolt note it as an enduring relationship and how awful it was when Vyke vanished

[atomic plinth]

Oh yeah they were romantic with each other

[vivid spire]

Also lan is said to have turned into a human often

If we go by the Dragon Cult Prayerbook all ancient dragons can do it

I refuse to believe all the ancient dragons are dead there’s gotta be tons more because Farum Azusa present day is crumbling but you encounter three ancient dragons and the ones in the sky have the white scales of ancient dragons too

[proven cloak]

||Igon's|| armor was originally Rico's?!?

bro you cannot be following saint trina with fit like that

he needed a fashion check for sure

[frail sky]

Lan would probably be pretty miffed that the reason he disappeared was so he could protect some other maiden

[proven cloak]

Godwyn and Fortissax

[vivid spire]

Absolutely

And remember the fingerprint armor has all the burns on the back, with a few on the front

He tried to nope the fuck out

But it was too late

Dragon wife.. nice to me.. kills my foes with lightning

[frail sky]

Poor Vyke

[atomic plinth]

Jesus CHRIST

Got invaded by some fucker called Mama Smurf, they spawned in the same room as us and jumpscared me with a Cannon of Haima

Was funny ngl

Minding our own business when all of a sudden

[atomic plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-explode-clouds-of-smoke-gif-17216934

[signal harness]

Vyke's burns actually look almost identical to the Tarnished's burns to me

[vivid spire]

Also the fact that they can melt iron armor presumably also with some form of lightning enchantment on it because that’s what Vyke had access too is scary

[signal harness]

from the back

[vivid spire]

Yeah it’s probably a generic pattern gameplay wise

[frozen olive]

His armor has the fingerprint pattern in the front

[vivid spire]

Grabbed from behind

[signal harness]

My point is that he looks like he was grabbed in the same post as the player character

Since the armor is damaged in the same locations as the burns on the player

[vivid spire]

Maybe true

[signal harness]

Vyke definitely recanted the Flame though

[tropic stream]

I both love and hate this

[atomic plinth]

?

[tropic stream]

Oh I meant the build in general

idk how to explain it lol sorry

in terms of the talismans they're... fine?

very standard imo

[atomic plinth]

Roight

[atomic plinth]

Is it the fact that I have low poise and defenses persnaps

[tropic stream]

Nah I also played low poise

[vivid spire]

Screaming

Malekith is so hard

Oh my fucking god

I have the claw but I don’t know how to parry

[atomic plinth]

He is stupidly hard to parry

[vivid spire]

I thought it was golden flash and parry

Can’t you cheese the fight with the claw

I saw all these people flawless parrying him and I thought if I get the claw I win

GOT HIM

[outer flint]

[vivid spire]

I keep thinking it’ll be easier with each run

But I keep forgetting

Some of these bosses are rough regardless

[outer flint]

yeah he still has a bunch of moves before the golden flashes

[vivid spire]

Hmmm

Debating debating

Ranni ending or fia

I just killed astel

Alecto pisses me off

Holy shit

Got her

[atomic plinth]

Black knives fucking suck to fight, I feel you there

Ordina was awful for me, would've been worse but I brought my trusty rusty Darkmoon Greatsword

[signal harness]

the fire giant whip is really good vs them

[outer flint]

aww almost got maliketh down but he targeted the host both times

[mighty warren]

update
i REALLY like the smithscript greathammer

its like im just throwing a school bus at people

[vivid spire]

You should throw round rocks

[mighty warren]

i see you found the video too

[proven cloak]

theres gotta be someone out there whos favorite ending is Fracture

at least one

[vivid spire]

At least one

Unfortunately, I, a simp

[outer flint]

getting killed by a discus dual wielder

😔

[outer flint]

🐀 🐀 🐀 🐀 🐀

open world miniboss

[frail sky]

🐀🐀🐀🐀🐀

[outer flint]

actually you can't even see the boss in this screenshot

light greatswords are great (hahaha) fun

they make light (hehehe) work of the enemies

[stone cove]

They're a really good weapon type.

You can do a much of amazing stunts

[proven cloak]

Be wary of river,
horse...

[outer flint]

[stoic sleet]

time for dog

[atomic plinth]

Could this be a dog?

[atomic plinth]

...random thought, shouldn't the Sword of Night be the lightest katana? Since the blade is only half-corporeal and thus you're only really carrying around the weight of a sword hilt.

[stone cove]

Should have been a light Greatsword

Lol

[mighty warren]

Lightly toasted

[atomic plinth]

Honestly, hard agree

Would've been cooler

[atomic marsh]

legit I saw Melania was trending on Twitter and because Malenia has been trending non-stop for like a week I thought she somehow got under the Politics tag

[warped quest]

i dislike that theres only one normal greatkatnaa / light gs

i think they should have either made another or placed another copy somewhere of each

[atomic plinth]

How do I get the Sword of Night to output some half-decent damage?

[outer flint]

yeahh, 1 normal and 2 unique is a bit restrictive 😩

[stone cove]

Pump dex?

Like it's a pure dex weapon

[atomic plinth]

It's at 80 already 😩

[stone cove]

Well, that should give you 712 ar.

WHich is plenty

[atomic plinth]

...ah, is it?

[stone cove]

Yeah?

[atomic plinth]

I thought 712 was Not Very Great for NG+2

[stone cove]

Fuck man, i dont play NG+ X

[atomic plinth]

Well I feel kinda stupid now

[stone cove]

At that point you're looking at stuff that can scale off multiple of stats

[mighty warren]

Journey 3 nerd here, 700+ is fine, but if you're really itching for more damage you can always grab shit like the jellyfish shield or golden vow

[atomic plinth]

Right

Sorry

[mighty warren]

For what? you asked a fair question

[stone cove]

You're fine, i'm not like swearing at you

though i can see how that came off as aggressive, and apologies

my understnading is for NG+ styuff you're often looking at weapons that have good scaling in multiple stats

Like ancient Meteoric Greatsword, whcih as 0.9 str scaling and 0.47 arc scaling

and even has 0.09 dex scaling (woooo)

Please note the idfference between it at minum dex and maxium dex is like... 30 ar.

[mighty warren]

While not untrue, NG+2 is still pretty early on where you can still focus on what you like over stats

[stone cove]

And even then if things are getting too tanky, there's other options - Bleed or scarlet rot for % damage, Blackflame stuff

[mighty warren]

Mhm

And like said, you can always incorporate buffs

[stone cove]

Yeah, buffs get you some pretty stratopsheric gains

my milady is "Just" aroudn 600 ar normally.

[mighty warren]

golden vow is so piss easy to cast and if you just really dont wanna, contagious fury is a good no fuss option

(and comes with a 100 physical negation greatshield too)

[stone cove]

but that 600 ar can go nuts rapidly if i slap on two-hander talisman

or shard of alexander

[mighty warren]

Note i believe they can stack as fury is unique and vow is body

[stone cove]

vow is actually unique.

I think

[mighty warren]

Are you... certain?

[stone cove]

L:emme doubel check real fast

Aha, it's not unique, it's an Aura Buff

which is a rare category.

[mighty warren]

Ah aura

[warped quest]

vow is probally the best in it

[mighty warren]

Yeah it is

[stone cove]

The only other things in it are the otehr versions of Golden Vow (consumable and weapon art), Uplifting Aromatic (But only the attack buff, not the bubble), and Shared Order.

[mighty warren]

i just use dragonbolt instead for personal preference

[stone cove]

Also rallying Standard and Stormwhawk Deenh

Dragonbolt is a body buff, not a aura buff

so you can stack both

[mighty warren]

No

you cant

[warped quest]

i used stormhawk since i had no faith and i wanted to give the bird a chance

[mighty warren]

florissax's dragonbolt is aura

i was about to clarify

[stone cove]

Oh

[mighty warren]

Yeah

the other dragonbolts ARE body but come with a lightning damage negation penalty to my memory

[stone cove]

I was about to say there are two -otehr dragonbolt spells and they're both body

[mighty warren]

Yeah florissax's is just kinda Weird and is an aura

[stone cove]

It also seems worthless vs Golden Vow

since it gives you... the same damage negation and slgihtly better guard boost, but no damage buff

[mighty warren]

Yep
anyways i still use it cause i prefer it

[stone cove]

Fairnuff.

[mighty warren]

Also its cheaper which means more heal from afar casts for me in the long term

[stone cove]

I ugesS? at that point like i dont find the cost differnece relveant, i do'nt even really run out of either type of flask these days, even with a 10/4 split

and i'm using a mask that penalizes flask healing, so i use HfA a fair bit

[mighty warren]

Okay?

im stating my use cases for it?

[stone cove]

I'm just not understanding the use case i thin kis my point

But it sounds like we're doing very differnet things in game, so that's probably fine

[mighty warren]

Okay

[stone cove]

Anyway, it's worht looking at stuff like talismans

the way buff stacking works out in this game, more buffs do better

eg the resutls of having Rotten Winged & Milicents are much stronger than either one indivudally.

and much stronger than you'd expect for simply adding them togther

or like you'd think two giant's seals would be a 40% daamge buff right? (20% from each), but it's actually a 44% damage buff.

So if you wanna go in on say, Dragoncult stuff, it;'s worth really cranking as many modifiers as you can - have the gravel stone in one hand, have the erd tree in the other (Because erdtree's scaling is too good to not use). Wear the faith's talismans, put on the lighting scorpion, wear the full ||Death knight|| set, etc

add in golden vow etc, because the more modifiers you add, the nuttier stuff gets

(You can do the same with damage mitigation stacking)

Though it's harder because a lot of the damage mitigation options are exclusive with each other

[mighty warren]

Aye, for fair reasons mind you

[stone cove]

Oh, abosltoeuy, as it is you can spike your effective hp to stupid levles

like "I have funcitonally 20k hp" isnt that unachivelable

[kind garden]

you can get truly daft amounts of ehp

Plus you can stack goofy amounts of regen on top of that

[median rock]

no matter what you do, your base AR is not climbing above like 700-900 unless you're hitting hardcaps for weapons with a bunch of scaling. 700 sounds very reasonable for a normal medium sized weapon up to like NG+4

[kind garden]

I mean

you can get as high as 1k but only on colossals with highly advantageous scaling

[median rock]

not counting colossals, obviously

yeah

and i'm also not talking damage numbers, i just mean the number that shows up in on your weapon info pre-buffs. like r2 motion values can make 700 -> 1400 easy

you can also get that higher with split damage infusions, and you can totally get higher with like 60 int/faith and using weapon buffs and then 60 in your main stat for damage probably

my personal assumption is 60 vigor, 40 endurance, 80 main damage stat, 60 off damage stat for NG+2-4, which is 50+30+70+50 = 200. which is level 201 flat (assuming wretch)

[proven cloak]

Anvil Hammor 😋

[atomic plinth]

I'm hitting 1.2k on my anvil hammer lmao

[atomic plinth]

Here's my stat spread, just subtract 5 from each score, I'm using Godrick's rune in this pic

[median rock]

yeah ur definitely overleveled but thats also definitely like. your max for damage with moonveil for the rest of the game

[atomic plinth]

Or just about anything

[median rock]

im honestly more impressed you're that high level

how much time did you spend farming albinaurics? assuming this is still ng+2 like you said or whateve

[atomic plinth]

I've been playing this save file for a good 500 fucking hours lmfao

I've spent a lot of time plinking that dipshit bird and hitting albinaurics with waves of gold

[median rock]

there's no way you're hitting 339 naturally i think even on two full playthroughs including DLC

makes sense

[atomic plinth]

Helps that I've been summoned out to help others a lot lately

Successful boss kills rack up over time

Not to mention invaders

[median rock]

i generally play my save files legit for the first 2 NG cycles, then after that i wrongwarp speedrun the next 4-5 ng cycles until i'm at like ng5 or above

since otherwise u get an awkward spot where NG+3 you've got maxed out damage and you're blitzing things

so you gotta power level the enemies so one r2 doesn't squash everything until the mountaintops

[atomic plinth]

Personally I find that steamrolling kinda cathartic

[median rock]

idk its cathartic to an extent. i think the main reason i do this is to actually have fun trying different builds

[atomic plinth]

...I'm like 2 achievements away from 100% the game, good Christ I need to get a life

[median rock]

like, the one i most recently skipped a bunch of NG for is a rot/poison build, and i literally can't do my funny rot blooms twice thing if they die before poison procs with 160 buildup LOL

[median rock]

damn i'm surprised you haven't

[atomic plinth]

I think the only one I'm missing is the Frenzied Flame ending

[median rock]

damn, you've never done a frenzied flame run?

[atomic plinth]

Nein

[median rock]

wild

[atomic plinth]

I unfortunately suffer from Bleeding Heart-itis and hate being even kinda mean in a video game

[median rock]

ever picked up flame to needle it away?

[atomic plinth]

Total world-ending apocalypse isn't my forte

[median rock]

on a NG run where you have frenzied flame + frenzied burst + the seal from the start, its pretty fun. the stagger on the charged version is so high lol

[proven cloak]

Overly tormented by the suffering of others? Feeling afflicted by how much misery the world finds itself in? Longing for an end to the pain?

well, the Frenzied Flame can help with that!

🙂

[atomic plinth]

Nihilistic apocalypses are the quitter's way out

And dagnabbit mama ain't raised no quitter

We're gonna reconstruct this damn world back into something livable and accept that suffering is as much a part of life as joy and we're going to LIKE IT >:[

[proven cloak]

Queen Marika has high hopes for us, that we continue to struggle, unto eternity.

not going to lie, I think I'm a bit of an unironic Gideon fan

underrated fromsoft npc

[atomic plinth]

...random question, do the Sword of Night/Serpentbone Blade R2s block damage the same way the Carian Knight Sword's R2s do?

[stone cove]

I'm not sure what you're referring to

Oh, right

"Only this sword and the Lazuli Glintstone Sword have this move)."

[languid tiger]

https://vxtwitter.com/elden_things/status/1822880871789035881

[real shadow]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xyRBm57VfHI

[outer flint]

hey that's me!

chat i'm famous

[warped quest]

elden ring is probally the easiest soulslike to 100% by far

[outer flint]

yeah

i'm 39/42, just need 2 more endings

[warped quest]

no wierd grinding

[outer flint]

no ng+ rings

no covenants

[warped quest]

you just need endings which you can use backup saves for

and a few missable items

[outer flint]

only 3 categories of <10 items each

[mighty warren]

Wait did a lot of folk struggle with dancing lion?

[frozen olive]

i did not cause it was the second to last boss i fought

[languid tiger]

i didn't even though it was the first boss i fought

[mighty warren]

Huh, fair
saw a video that caught my eye about analyzing the boss due to how much some folk died to it

was a little surprised to see it

[real shadow]

I beat it on the first try thanks to the only bro I can trust: mimic tear.

We both kinda slammed it into a corner with copious amounts of double-handed axe blows.

[old brook]

I went that way first and on low Blessing anything is brutal so I figure a lot of the deaths are just folks that went left at the first crossroad

[outer flint]

it was my first boss

got it in maybe 10-15 tries, it was just learning how to use the great katana, and how to dodge that double spiral attack

[warped quest]

my main issue with the boss was the camera lock on point is too high

[covert schooner]

Man thinking about how fucked up Ofnir’s “Marika has high hopes for us. That we struggle unto eternity” line is

[atomic plinth]

What're your thoughts on it

[covert schooner]

He found out that she wanted the golden order gone and took that as “oh okay anarchy forever is her design”

[stoic sleet]

How much do you think is cope

Like "I can't figure this out so clearly it's not meant to be figured out"

[atomic plinth]

Probably all of it tbh

Given how horribly he misinterpreted her will

[real shadow]

Ofnir more like "off-by-a-country-mile"

[vivid spire]

He sounds mentally unwell tbh

[proven cloak]

imo

its because the clearest read for Marika's goals is "I want to die"

[covert schooner]

yeah

although even in that shes selfish

[proven cloak]

Gideon investigates the lands between, and comes to the conclusion Marika doesn't just want the Tarnished to kill the demigods

[grave plinth]

Yeah Marika sux

[proven cloak]

she wants them to kill the god too

[covert schooner]

cant bring herself to do anything meaningful so she throws a depressive divine tantrum

[proven cloak]

I think its less that he 100% believes she wants the current state of the world

[covert schooner]

it is meaningful in a sense but it also kinda just intentionalyl fucks everyone

[proven cloak]

and basically its him falling into a hopeless state

She must want the current state of the world - what she asks is impossible

he loses heart, basically

he thinks its like a curse

[proven cloak]

see, I'd contest this!

I think he got it on the money - Marika wants you to kill the God of the Golden Order

he's isn't wrong on her will

he's just shitting himself about that

(and there might be a little bit of a crisis of faith in there too)

[atomic plinth]

True

[proven cloak]

For how arrogant Gideon is, I do like that theres some geniune respect he has for you

even in his final fight he compliments you a few times

[proven cloak]

this underscores the tragedy of her + Radagon too, imo

and unifies how Radagon seeks self-perfection and perfection of the order

bro doesn't want to be broken

I can't say I 100% fault either of them, if thats the read

[obtuse halo]

Absolutely so; even a bit of envy, I think. This is a guy who's been intent on becoming elden lord from day 1 and mobilizing every resource and connection he has to build up to it. Meanwhile you're some nobody who came out of the woodworks one day and started personally killing them one by one. He absolutely respects you as a rival, even THE rival, especially since you've been shrugging off his assassination attempts for months question mark

[stoic sleet]

Local man builds entire life around maxim "knowledge is power" only to discover that beating things up real good is power

[vivid spire]

He unga, therefore he bunga

[stone cove]

Hey, he's dumb enough to get a g uy into volcano manor literally wearing the surcoat marking him as working for gids

[outer flint]

who

[stone cove]

There's a recusant who invades you in Limgrave

Near the colossieum

and then later you can find said recruusant dead in rykard's arena

and loot the eye surcoat off him

[outer flint]

i see....

[obtuse halo]

to be fair, Volcano Manor has all kinds of traitors still wearing their old armor

||And Rykard was going to eat him either way||

[outer flint]

when is the cutoff for receiving volcano manor quests? is it killing rykard, because then tanith moves?

[median rock]

killing rykard definitely clears them, yes

i don't think volcano manor cuts off if you burn the erdtree - and it's definitely fine if you hit mountaintops, because you need to reach there to finish it

patches questline breaks technically if you finish it too quickly (or kill tanith) but

[outer flint]

i see

i was still able to finish the first quest, but then tanith wasn't there to give me another

no katana ahead

[median rock]

i'm pretty sure you don't get the rewards for turning them in either

you get scaled set/crepus vial/juno's stuff for killing each npc, and turning each one into tanith gives magma shot/serpentbone/taker's cameo

so i think you do have to make sure to turn in each quest beforehand, you can't kill the last npc -> immediately kill rykard without talking to tanith first

[vivid spire]

Question

Volcano Manor are like bad news right

[median rock]

they're probably the closest thing to a legitimate cult out there in the lands between

im not counting ||mohg because brain zappy is unfair||

but yeah he helped out on the night of black knives, decided to turn to heresy after the shattering, and then his goals changed from simply taking over as lord into devouring everybody when he merged with da big snake

[obtuse halo]

it doesn't, though Bernahl's quest does break if you burn the erdtree before doing his friendship invasion

[median rock]

ah, makes sense

i wonder if that maens you can't get the blasphemous claw

i feel like there's so many edge cases with npc quest-tied invasions its a miracle i got the items in the first place

[obtuse halo]

I think he still appears in Farum Azula if you didn't do the invasion, you just miss out on the rewards from that

[median rock]

one thing i wish they hadn't kept is the inability to co-op or invade if the boss of the area is dead

there's very few situations where it's a huge deal but it led to stuff like the vyke invasion not working if you killed rennala

[stone cove]

Volcano manor are massive bad news, and the only reason the player base does shit with them is it's the easy way to get a bunch of others unobtainable armor

[proven cloak]

depends on your stance on Might-Makes-Right ideology, gluttony, and forcibly meshing people into a meat-pile for personal gain.

so I'd say pretty awful, yeah

Rykard is The Worst

[atomic plinth]

Oh cmon he JUST wants to make a big happy family

[proven cloak]

so does Mohg!

at least he just bleeds you

[atomic plinth]

He's JUST a father trying to make a family with his wife and snake-child

Or, well, a bigger family

[outer flint]

the spell just appeared on the table

[proven cloak]

you know its bad when Godrick comes off looking like a less depraved version of you

[outer flint]

when i completed the first quest

[stoic sleet]

Reminds me of that one Horus Heresy novel where the Alpha Legion, supposedly the most effective spy and espionage operation in the galaxy (to the point that suggesting people are AL double agents is a memey joke)... marks their operatives with tattoos of their symbol

I'm a little mad about the all-knowing surcoat bc I don't want to be associated with Gideon but it's legitimately good fashion

[proven cloak]

tbf, the spy infiltrated well enough to be granted audience

[grave plinth]

i wish there were more chainmail surcoats (non-Lordsworn)

[proven cloak]

I wish you could pop the breast-shields off the knight armors

[warped quest]

you can kinda

[proven cloak]

oh?

[warped quest]

if you remove the cape

some headgear hides it

[grave plinth]

nah removing the cape still keeps the breast shield

[proven cloak]

yeah but he's saying some head's remove it

I'd assume - yeah

cowls

drippy!

[warped quest]

blue and red hoods do as well

not sure about others

but glemir looks really good with confessor helm

[atomic plinth]

Do the Dryleaf Gloves look good with this?

Trying to add elements that match with the hat to make it seem less out of place

[vivid spire]

Brown looks .. off

[atomic plinth]

...honestly, I think no hat works best

I'll equip an altered commoner's headband cause like, I ought to have SOMETHING there and it's so subtle it practically doesn't exist, but no hat seems best

[vivid spire]

Hey that’s gorgeous

What’s the chest piece?

[obtuse halo]

Blue Silver Mail

It’s one of my favorite pieces of armor but difficult to match with anything

[atomic plinth]

Mostly because anything thicker than paper rolls its sleeves up REALLY far

Which limits you to a handful of gloves

[vivid spire]

Oh that sucks

[atomic plinth]

Unless you don't mind the rolled up sleeves look

Which tbf it doesn't look terrible, I just want long sleeves personally

[covert schooner]

Just a really funny tiktok where someone was talking about how the big nokron corpse thrones aren’t ever elaborated on

And he eventually just settled on “Yknow what man, it’s none of my buisness, whatever”

[proven cloak]

likely giant sort

my friends going through the base game again, and forgot most of what happened his first playthrough

getting more into the lore

asks me stuff like "so whats the deal with the Revenants"

¯_(ツ)_/¯

theres a lot of stuff thats not as clear-cut

||imo the big skeletons are probably more mimicry, since the Nox did a lot of that between the tears + the false sky + the black moon* + the dragonkin. *if you think it was something they built in a city, and not a 'true' celestial body||

[frozen olive]

(final boss spoilers for SOTE)||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctkOZiQOcF0||

this is pretty fucking cool

having the ||radahn sword AoW's as parts of a stance is genius||

[languid tiger]

those 2h moves fucking slap????

[frozen olive]

yup

[vivid spire]

Y’all am I not getting something

I’m seeing a lot of people online saying the story fell flat

And that the Japanese translation leaves out a lot of context

And that ||it should have been Godwyn||

[kind garden]

The translation actually does have a few issues, there’s an article in this thread about it somewhere

The story worked for me but not for everyone, it’s understandable IMO

Not everyone is going to resonate with ||the drama/tragedy of being forced to oppose Miquella by simple logic of only one of you being able to succeed||

[mighty warren]

|| On this specifically, i think a lot of people just really want more stuff about godwyn in general||

[frozen olive]

https://tenor.com/view/madness-elden-ring-frenzy-frenzy-flame-flame-of-frenzy-gif-25870095

sanity meter going down

https://tenor.com/view/bloordborne-frenzy-psychic-damage-gif-27688759

||Never going to escape this take despite the fact that Godwyn has literally been the single most dead person in the entire lore since the shattering||

not meaning to come off angry btw i'm just tired of seeing people ||say it should have been Godwyn instead of Radahn when he literally does NOT HAVE a soul to use for the revival ritual in the first place||

[old brook]

||It's just not exciting to see a boss that has already had a perfectly spectacular fight for round 2 but lasers and less cinematic.||

[frozen olive]

||i get that and i respect that but if you tell me that it should have been Godwyn i am going to shoot a laser beam made out of madness out of my glowing yellow eyes||

[vivid spire]

Like it makes no fucking sense

Everyone seems so negative in some shape or fashion to the dlc

[old brook]

I adore the dlc

This is the one point that's bleh

[frozen olive]

||i loved the boss and i think it's fair not to like it narratively, even if i think complaining about difficulty is mostly a skill issue personally, but it cannot be fucking Godwyn, the lore does not support this ever under any circumstance, his soul is completely gone, and the ritual does not work without a soul||

[old brook]

Yup the game they wrote sure made it specifically impossible they couldn't have adjusted what a secret scroll said or whatever

[frozen olive]

||it's probably the autism in me but it drives me fucking spare whenever someone mentions Godwyn in relation to the final boss||

[old brook]

But truly it's fine it's just a dumb boss

[frozen olive]

||he is literally the ONLY CHARACTER IT CANNOT BE||

[old brook]

Instead we got nothing which is a move I guess

[frozen olive]

||it's literally only him that cannot possibly fulfill that role out of everyone in the entire lore, Patches is closer to being Promised Consort than Godwyn by what the lore sets up||

||still a bit disappointing that we didn't really get more Godwyn lore but it is what it is||

[old brook]

Bit of a massive waste

[frozen olive]

overall i am very pleased with the DLC

[old brook]

Yerr

[frozen olive]

i'd honestly put it at minimum as a 9/10

[old brook]

Everything but the last 2%

[frozen olive]

absolute lowest i would possibly go ratings wise

i think it's honestly just a 10/10 follow up to a 10/10 game

[old brook]

Just gonna headcanon that with some extra sprinting stopped em before he gets up there

[kind garden]

internet bias phenomenon

[frozen olive]

i've personally just not kept up with the discourse surrounding it

cause i just don't have the energy to deal with people shitting on something i truly enjoyed

[old brook]

This is also the strat for continuing to enjoy Helldivers the internet is very mad about nothing over there

[outer flint]

yes

it's very fun when I play, just a lil stale

and the dlc has been great so far

i don't really know what I'm doing with the big open world guys tho

[kind garden]

you'll figure them out

[stone cove]

Stances for AoW are just underused in general, honestly

[old brook]

Especially since we just got a talisman for them

[stone cove]

I'm playing Lies of P and it is giving me ideas

[proven cloak]

society....

[languid tiger]

||you can tell when someone's only experienced elden ring through reddit by their complaints at a lack of godwyn content||

[frozen olive]

(SOTE boss spoilers) ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtO7Ls2szt0||

man these modders are cooking

[languid tiger]

i'm not very familiar with the nodachi moveset, are any of the base moves different?

or is it just that ridiculous aow moveset?

[vestal night]

some of the base is different I think

taking some moves from Sekiro I think

[languid tiger]

gotcha

[proven cloak]

I saw someone call ||Castle Sol the most plot critical area / question of base Elden Ring - like the biggest loredrop in the whole game||

and I just knew they'd lost the plot

[languid tiger]

lmao

[proven cloak]

||Its literally a side area on the way to the much more important - and framed as such - Haligtree!||

[languid tiger]

what even was their defense of that stance?

if there was one at all

[proven cloak]

||idk something something Godwyn something Eclipse||

they just thought it was a huge smoking gun, that needed to be resolved

and its like, eh

[languid tiger]

lol

[proven cloak]

I feel like the dungeon's story was basically finished

[languid tiger]

yeah, there were (and still are) a lot more questions

with much greater relevance

[proven cloak]

dlc answered my biggest ones (Marika characterization + ||something more to how R + M's two-people thing worked||) so I'm chilling

I try to be more text-literalist and it was annoying for Marika having to write out a theory if her personality and motives were A and another if it was B and another if it was C

though it added the question of ||why she waited so long to get revenge on the hornsent - why purge them at all so much later?|| and the implication ||she actually was allied with them at the birth of the Erdtree||

those questions are way more fun though

I think the thing that gets me when people complain about the DLC is saying ||Miquella acts completely diffferently from his base game characterization / 'completely dropped Unalloyed Gold'||

[outer flint]

I want to go home....

[proven cloak]

||what are they on about he's literally doing everything in Shadow for the same motivations that led him to build the Haligtree. Divesting himself of Trina / his mother's legacy is a continuation of his search for a 'purer' gold, untainted. He's still got all the holy magic. ||

[proven cloak]

and then Elden Ring!

[outer flint]

yes!!!

i beat bloodborne last night and now I'm gonna get back to the ER dlc

I should probably stop co-oping 😭 it's fun but I do want to finish (or get close to finishing) the dlc this week, otherwise I can try to finish it on my laptop (does not run it the best)

[median rock]

i'm pretty sure the base moves are all the same with the exception of whatever that fire swing at the very very start was

most-to-all of the nodachi moves in base ER are taken directly from sekiro, lol. you look exactly like owl doing some of the combos

[vale mountain]

https://vxtwitter.com/luisoart/status/1818692057738641429

[frozen olive]

lol

LMSH is fighting the final boss live rn and the current host of fingers is Roronoa Zoro

[outer flint]

ough i'm lost 😩

are scadutree fragments random drops??

i just got one from a shadow dude

(and a gold horn tender, thank you shadow dude)

[kind garden]

only from shining shadow people with pots on their heads and only once per

[outer flint]

dang

ty

i was summoned against invasions twice and won

O good hunter...

WHOA

visions of fire..

[kind garden]

visions of fire?

ah

[outer flint]

furnace golems are tough 😔

[covert schooner]

Tbh I think the dlc is perfect companion to the wider story of the game

[warped quest]

in terms of story im just disppointed about lack of gloam eye queen stuff

[covert schooner]

||expanding on the cycles of suffering and oppression by extending them even further into the past, MASSIVELY fleshing out Marika’s character, and resolving Miquella’s storyline very well imo||

[proven cloak]

I like how it tied together the divinity and family stuff even more

[covert schooner]

That’s fair but I prefer the GEQ to be as vague as it is

She has faded into obscurity in universe, and that in turn means she’s obscure to us

[proven cloak]

||underscores the 'purpose' theme of the game, and the ways people's ambitions both allow them to shape the world - and can trap them.||

[covert schooner]

Same as the previous civilization of Rush

*Ruah

And the ongoing theme of culture division in the dlc

Which I’ve also not seen talked about much but it’s so interesting

You can see the lands between and the land of shadow both splitting from shared tradition

And dropping and keep different cultural aspects

[proven cloak]

definitely makes Dominula village make more sense

[proven cloak]

I do wish ||the takeaway from the community was less "Miquella sought godhood in a stupid way - is he dumb?" and more "Even the best people, with the most noble goals - trying to upturn the cycle of the world - make for terrifying gods"||

[covert schooner]

Yeah

Well I think people don’t see the overarching theme of abuse of power in From Soft and particularly Miyazaki’s Works

[outer flint]

||romina hits hard ||

boss i just ran into

[covert schooner]

But the denial of ||Kind Divinty/Benevolent Dictator is entirely on brand||

[outer flint]

NOOOOOO

NOOOO

tragedy

...

||https://medal.tv/games/elden-ring/clips/it9ya0KmRMqfAm1ds/d1337WMl5mCv?invite=cr-MSxQdDEsMTgwOTUwMTQ1LA||

i'm cracked

noo didn't put my scarab on in time

😔

lol 10/1 flasks to spare

i locked in

[outer flint]

seems familiar....

ahh, ear...
so to speak despair

[proven cloak]

Circling around, O, Circling around,
in short visions of Circling around

oh I noticed the other day, watching a zullie video on Ancestor Spirit

it was always a heavily Crucible-coded boss

but in some of its moves?

https://youtu.be/wYaIK6y2Y4o?si=012ch_56AgV9OQPM&t=87

got that spiral

same on its cut attack

https://youtu.be/wYaIK6y2Y4o?si=Wu29orWk19eOFx4Q&t=163

[signal harness]

Ooh

[proven cloak]

both cases ||on a move related to growth and flourishing||

I've been seeing a lot more spirals in base game after the dlc lmao

and I go

am I hallucinating?

Is this intentional?

Is it me, or does Morgott's phase transition summon a crucible current?

[signal harness]

Hmm at a glance I think that’s so similar it might be the same particle effect in golden clothes

[proven cloak]

Elden Stars and the Crucible Armor sets always had the doubled pattern, same with the Sacred Relic sword

but I wonder if this is the non-normalized crucible, if the spiral is a directed one

[signal harness]

So idk if that’s significant (since I think Omens are linked to the crucible) or just fromsoft careful reuse

[proven cloak]

yeah I wouldn't note it if the bosses weren't very Crucible heavy in their lore

even in base game the holy-spiral effect was on Siluria and Ordovis's weaponry

[signal harness]

Ok there’s probably something there then

[proven cloak]

calls it a vortex, even

[signal harness]

5+ times is not coincidence I think

[outer flint]

tmrw

[proven cloak]

its ||her!||