Elden Ring (DLC hype room)

[vivid spire]

My stat spread is rough with 40 vigor

[obtuse halo]

eh this is pretty normal

you can probably leave dex and faith at 20 for a while building up vigor and then pick one to progress toward 50 first

distributing points in the other as you need them for weapon/spell reqs

[frozen olive]

thinking about it, i don't actually think putting bleed infusion on my flamberge for the final boss even helped cause as soon as i equipped giants hunt i don't think i saw it proc even once

[frail sky]

Two damage stat builds really do be like that 😔

[frozen olive]

Savage Lions Claw procced it but like, pulling that off on the final boss is just, not ideal

lamenting the fact that Messmer spear heavy is actually just unusable

[frail sky]

How so?

[frozen olive]

it fucking chunks stamina

[frail sky]

Ah

[frozen olive]

my dlc char has uh

60 endurance, so a LOT of stamina

and one(1) throw takes about 70% of my stamina

it's genuinely unusable in an actual fight

it also did like

800 damage per attack

which is fucking loser damage when me using the AoW fully does like

7k

it's worse than just like, a normal r1

[atomic plinth]

It's a neat idea but it sorely needs buffs

[frozen olive]

i can live with the damage being shit

but it cannot eat your entire stamina bar unless you have obscene END

[atomic plinth]

I guess it's good for ranged damage? But you're presumably a Faith build anyway so just... throw an incantation

[frozen olive]

that's non-negotiable

[frozen olive]

it's really not, i did a faith build

KLS did like 2.5k

and it was faster

and cost less

[atomic plinth]

Well, let me rephrase, ranged damage if for some reason you can't get in melee

[frozen olive]

well

i mean

[atomic plinth]

Or the boss is far away

[frozen olive]

if you have a normal level of END

you can use it once

and then you are also completely out of stamina

effectively crippling yourself in the process if anything gets close

it's reaaaaalllyyyy fucking cool but it's not very useful atm

if you want a throw you can also just

go for the Messmer soldier spear iirc

[frail sky]

God that's awful (40 endurance, charged an uncharged)

[frozen olive]

at least i seem to remember someone talking about it

[frail sky]

Only if you put the throwing ash of war on it, the messmer soldier spear has the treespear moveset

[frozen olive]

ah i see

[frozen olive]

yes

it is a horrendous stamina drain

and it doesn't do nearly enough damage to justify trying to use it in a fight usually

i'm almost certain an r1 does about as much or more damage

[atomic plinth]

The Lizard Wizard? Is he perhaps the very one of King Gizzard?

[vivid spire]

I’m used to my ng ++ characters lol

[frozen olive]

hearing people talk about ||Radahns phase transition t-pose making peoples games frame drop|| is so weird to me cause i have a pretty ok pc and i haven't had a single problem with that move ever

[vivid spire]

https://youtu.be/bhJFAkw38ac?si=K6uFsYNLIOZ3GnBc

[static tulip]

He gives a million runes at least

Are you using mimic tear by chance?

[frozen olive]

no

currently trying to do the boss solo

[static tulip]

Have you gotten ||Miquella's Great Rune||?

[frozen olive]

i should say i've already beat the dlc before

i got through all of it on like

day 3 of release

i'm just going back to fight the final boss solo rn for clout

[static tulip]

Gotcha

[frozen olive]

beating all of the difficult bosses in the fromsoft games i own solo has been a thing i've been working on

took out everyone in DS3, took out all of the final bosses in AC6 with my ultralightweight, currently going through Sekiro, and i beat Malenia solo as well

[vivid spire]

Hmm

This may be controversial but like

||Maybe Miquella would be right had they not abandoned their love for humanity||

Like with a demigod guiding humanity maybe a lot of shit could actually be fixed

[frozen olive]

i think

personally

that the very moment that ||Miquella started taking off bits of themselves||

it was over

in fact

realistically

it was over before that too

||Miquella could never overcome ther sins of Marika and their hatred of the golden lineage, and would never have gone to any path except one of control||

||i don't think Miquella could have ever actually made an age of compassion||

[vivid spire]

That makes a lot of sense

[frozen olive]

||in my mind it would be a complete and total impossibility due to who Miquella is, and what they set out to accomplish||

||The problem is outlined in the dlc really, Miquella is water from a tainted well, and could never overcome that, instead seeking to cut out everything that they were to try to become pure, which simply made them exactly what they wanted to be, a god. Unfortunately this is the exact same thing Marika did, and thus in trying to break the cycle, Miquella stopped themselves from even having a possibility of not perpetuating it||

[proven cloak]

... huh, since the dlc I started noticing Morgott's phase transition is very swirly-spirally

like I thought it was an explosion, but no

[proven cloak]

||Was discarding Saint Trina even a bad decision, for what Miquella wanted?||

[frozen olive]

||Also just to mention it, the reason Ranni differs despite her bid for godhood and the horrible acts she commits is that she doesn't covet it in the slightest or even try to impose a proper age on the lands between. Ranni's age of stars is kind of opposite of what Marika and Miquella were working with since from the beginning, she was not planning to even have a proper Elden Lord or be a god of the land. Ranni simply wants to free the world to make its own decisions, whereas Marika and Miquella both wanted to impose an order born of their own wills.||

[vivid spire]

Duskborn is weird ngl

[frozen olive]

it is yes

[vivid spire]

Like the tarnished gets to impose stuff on the land

But the core tenets are

1. Stop immortality

[old brook]

I don't know if Ranni's being that selfless about it, or if it's just a benefit of her not wanting to deal with the gods

[vivid spire]

2. Restore reincarnation without returning to the Erdtree roots

Which are, as gods go, pretty chill

Everything else is uh..

Well, we don’t know at all

[frozen olive]

no matter what the case is, Ranni does not try to impose her will on the world with the power of godhood

which is why she doesn't lose so to speak

[proven cloak]

realistically none of the endings solve every problem - like, you could note that ||The pre-Marika age of the Hornsent didn't seem to be one built around an Order, or the Elden Ring||

but still had its cruelties

[frozen olive]

in fact she doesn't even really become a god ||in the way that Marika and Miquella do||

[vivid spire]

You know what I was thinking about

[proven cloak]

if the dragons had it, they dont seem to have imposed their vision on the hornsent strongly

[vivid spire]

Godwyn not coming back once death and the cycle of it could be fixed is

[glossy delta]

||Yeah, Ranni extracting order from the world will not necessarily make it a better place||
||Cuz a lot of the Horrors predate that by all accounts||

[vivid spire]

Because he doesn’t want to.

[frozen olive]

||Marika and Miquella both sacrifice themselves in a way that Ranni doesn't which is why they both end up in the situations they end up in, Marika having shattered the Elden Ring and Miquella having become inhuman and losing sight of their goals||

[frozen olive]

that's not the point though

in fact

[proven cloak]

its complete speculation but ||I wouldn't be surprised if the Erdtree works akin to the Divine Gate, given its white-light entrance and loads of corpses mashed together within||

[frozen olive]

i think that doesn't matter at all

[proven cloak]

Shes more anti-Order than pro-Lands Between, imo

[frozen olive]

i can buy that

[frozen olive]

but yeah to adress this

||the point is not that it will magically fix everything, it's that things will have a chance to heal, and the people of the Lands Between will have a hope of a better future not stymied by the whims of a mad god||

||none of the endings would just magically fix everything, because it's not a problem you can just fix by fucking with the source code of reality||

||it takes time, and Ranni's ending gives them that time and unrestricted ability to make use of it, for better or worse||

[atomic marsh]

Only one I've liked is the Drums of Liberation from One Piece

[proven cloak]

the only thing I ask about is this though: ||If the community (rightly) criticizes Marika for her whims (the anti-omen prejudice, the fear that led her to eradicate the giants, etc) - what their problem with Miquella divesting himself of (what he thinks is) his bias?||

I mean I dislike it because I think its stifling and doomed to run into problems, but

[atomic marsh]

God forbid women do anything

[frozen olive]

||because it makes Miquella callous and exacerbates their controlling behaviour||

[proven cloak]

it seems like what he was doing was a response to what he thought Marika did wrong

[frozen olive]

yeah

it was

and it was the wrong thing to do

why?

||because that's what Marika did in the first place||

||Miquella, in trying to avoid being like Marika, literally treads in her footsteps||

[real shadow]

I don't think he could even if he wanted to because there's just nothing left. His soul is gone.

[vivid spire]

I’d argue that duskborn does that too ngl

It’ll take time for things to die and regrow

[proven cloak]

||Her relationship to Radagon seems different to Miquella's and Trina's, right?||

[frozen olive]

||we genuinely have no idea||

[proven cloak]

I mean like conceptually it might be the same, I mean more like
they're treated different

[frozen olive]

||there are things that point to them always having been one person and equally many pointing to them having been separate people originally||

[proven cloak]

||At the end of Marika's life she calls him back, hes a piece of her inseperably - Miquella seems to want to divest Trina entirely||

[frozen olive]

||Whereas St.Trina seems to have always been a part of Miquella||

||or at least, seems to have originally been a part of Miquella||

||St.Trina was always Miquella, even though Miquella may not always have been St.Trina||

[frozen olive]

||We can also simply describe this using some help from our buddy, Sir Ansbach: "Righteous Tarnished. Become our new lord. A lord not for gods, but for men"||

[vivid spire]

Based

[frozen olive]

||Marika became a god in her bid for vengeance, she made her will into the will of the world and imposed it on all of the Lands Between, leading to all manner of horrors||

||Miquella may have originally planned to make an age of true compassion, but by divesting themselves of everything they were, they became unable to fulfill that goal, and became as Marika, a god to impose their own will upon the world. In Miquellas case, that means using charms to force the Lands Between into submission for their goal, a hollow age of compassion. What Marika, God Queen Eternal, and Miquella the kind, god of compassion sought to achieve was not a world for the people, but a world remade in their own image||

[proven cloak]

that last point is the key

I feel like a lot of talk about Miquella focuses too much on the divestment - ||even if he kept his other half, he'd be committed to the same path||

||Though, it seems like Trina was divested over a disagreement about seeking godhood in the first place||

[frozen olive]

that's why i said earlier

||Miquella was screwed as soon as they decided to divest themselves to achieve godhood in the first place||

||Miquella would never have truly been able to make things better because the path to godhood that they and Marika walked down is one of sacrifice and compromise and proclaiming loudly to the world that you know best||

||ironically Miquella ended up literally treading the same path and even using the same route to apotheosis as Marika, which clearly indicates that divesting themselves of everything they were, everything of Marikas golden lineage, did not help in the slightest||

[gray leaf]

Fair, but I also feel like ||there isn't any way to become a god that doesn't involve some degree of abandonment of humanity. Godhood is a prison. In all the endings where you perpetuate the Elden Ring in one form or another, Marika's basically a statue, and yet she's still there as a god. And... Miquella's love is not, I think, only his love for others. I'm not actually sure if Ranni becomes a god or not; she could, but I think that while having a Lord is necessary for apotheosis, it is not sufficient for it, and the last thing Ranni wants is the prison of divinity.||

||And yet, in abandoning divinity, she too perpetuates the cycle she detests — she abandons humanity, casting them all aside, and while it means the people of the Lands Between will be free, it also means that no matter how desperate they are, the one who should be leading them will no longer hear their prayers. So it is that, once again, the mother abandons the children, leaving them to pray in vain for assistance from an unhearing god.||

In the world of Elden Ring, your only options are:

1. Perpetuate the cycle exactly as it was.
2. Perpetuate the cycle almost exactly as it was, but attempting to make minor incremental changes that might make one part of one thing a bit better.
3. Take a sledgehammer to the whole thing out of rage over the hurt it has caused and will cause, because you think something better can come about only when it is entirely removed and replaced with a new order, or because you think it is not only broken but irredeemable, or just because despair is the only agency you have left.
   This doesn't just apply to the endings, or even to the player character. It's just... everything, everywhere.

And option 3 frequently ends up turning into option 2 anyway.

[frail sky]

||I very much object to the idea a god is supposed to be the one leading them, nor do I think anything having that much power in the first place is a good idea||

[trail sail]

||Especially when the game so heavily pushes the idea that power, no matter how it's wielded or for what cause, is always corruptive in the end||

[frozen olive]

again

that is in fact the entire point

that's why Ranni wins

[gray leaf]

I don't disagree with you! I just think it's kind of a no-win situation. ||Wielding power is, by its very nature, corruptive... but consider how many characters in the DLC have been abandoned by their god (who is often conflated with, or sometimes the same person as, their mother), and how it's turned out for them.||

[frozen olive]

it is kind of a no-win yeah

[trail sail]

||Yet Thollier and Ansbach both stand back up after being abandoned and fight for themselves, in the end - they may die, but they die having made a difference||

[gray leaf]

||Will the Age of Stars be better for people? Who knows? It definitely has the potential to be better, by removing all the evils of external influence and control... but, at the same time, those external influences are not in fact 100% evil. Some individuals will probably rise to the circumstances; others will break under their weight. The only real unambiguous winner there is Ranni, and arguably the player character.||

[frozen olive]

again, the whole point is the potential

that's it

that's all there is too it

[gray leaf]

Yup. There's the potential for things to be much better, as opposed to the others, which offer a near-guarantee for things to be slightly better. Is that a worthwhile gamble? Probably.

[vivid spire]

It seems fitting for the knight of Fia to use a fragment if destined death

[gray leaf]

Goldmask's ending... you know what literally just occurred to me? The Mending Rune of Order will remove free will from the equation, preventing divine meddling... but I always interpreted it as simply stopping you, as Elden Lord, from going around and disrupting stuff and causing problems, and only you. And only now that I think about it do I realize that isn't quite the case; it's also going to strip Marika of free will and agency. That did not quite consciously occur to me until now and really substantially complicates the potential morality of that!

[vivid spire]

Yeah I always thought of order being like

A reform of the system

Which well

The whole system is rotted

You need Stars or Duskborn to rip up the floorboards

[lilac condor]

Marika's level of awareness post-shattering is pretty questionable

[gray leaf]

Duskborn isn't ripping up the floorboards. It's adding a new room. It's taking the current system and expanding it so that Those Who Live In Death are integrated into, and a natural part of, the Golden Order... but it's unclear what, if anything, would change besides that.

[frozen olive]

also turns off immortality

[lilac condor]

Radagon's still conscious (well, before the tarnished kills them, anyway) and the Elden Beast is its own thing that's more like a personification of the Elden Ring itself (I think?). But Marika seems to be gone. Nothing left to take free will and agency away from

[gray leaf]

Instead of fighting off death by fleeing from it until you're eventually stuck halfway into it, or else just Gone, you live, and then you die but can continue to live in death.

[gray leaf]

Well, yes, but that sort of presupposes Marika and Radagon are separate people with separate minds.

[lilac condor]

There are multiple people in the game with paired bodies but separate minds (D, Miquella/St. Trina)

[obtuse halo]

They almost definitely are?

[lilac condor]

not sure why Marika/Radagon would be different

[obtuse halo]

the opening cinematic not only spoils that it was Marika who shattered the ring, but it also shows Radagon trying to repair it. This isn't beyond a shadow of a doubt, but I'd want to see some evidence backing the assertion that they're fully the same person with a single mind with goals that different

[gray leaf]

D is two people who are not combined, but share a soul; nothing suggests that they're the same person. They're more like conjoined twins. St. Trina ||is and is not Miquella, but also Miquella very explicitly divested himself of her.||

I'm willing to accept that Marika is at most questionably conscious by the end of the game, though. I think I'm getting a little devil's-advocate here.

[proven cloak]

you are right here in that I find ranni's ending a little funny with the dlc

I'm not sure I've ||zeroed in on if what she's doing is the same sort of abandonment||

I've thought about it, and could go either way

[frozen olive]

tbf to ||Ranni, she absolutely intends on coming back as far as i understand it||

||her reign and her voyage is a thousand years, no more, no less||

[proven cloak]

mmm, ||but Miquella's got a similar sort of 1,000 year-reign speech in the files - are we sure its not metaphorical?||

it fits her themes to let go of her age

||Its a huge difference between her and Marika / Miq||

[proven cloak]

(as the Perfect Order fan I'd argue its a more systemic solution than Ranni taking the Elden Ring on a journey and promising she wont enforce anything, or Duskborns...... uh, whatever it does.)

though imo all of them are 'good endings', and ||my critique of Ranni's ending is softened quite a bit by the contrast with Miquella - the metatext makes her seem more trustworthy where before it was kinda ?||

the current Lands Between is fucked

[real shadow]

https://fxtwitter.com/Dexerto/status/1819706280023667007

[obtuse halo]

this is great but I would love to have it without the frame lol

somehow specifying that it's "elden ring meets x-men" just kind of feels insulting to the viewer. If the viewer is familiar enough with X-Men for this to be meaningful, you'd think the music and character names would do it 😛

[frozen olive]

been thinking about what it would be like to see a boss battle from a game like Elden Ring as just like, a random mook or goon, or just like, a citizen or smthn

would be mad fucked up

[proven cloak]

I liked to imagine what the fuck ||Promised Consort must have looked like to people in the shadowlands||

[frozen olive]

yeah

like

[proven cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/looking-up-funny-meme-guy-gif-22610169

[frozen olive]

fucking HELL that must have been some shit to witness

first this bomb ass castle just

[proven cloak]

just ||the Tower drained of shadow, a stormcloud forming with a single break, pillars of light stretching to the heavens||

[frozen olive]

appears out of the shadows

then you start seeing the fucking light of god shine from the top of it

[real shadow]

Rave lightshow in the heavens

[frozen olive]

i read a lot of fanfic so i think of crossover stuff often and i like to imagine that any telepaths who might meet the Tarnished would just like, be immediately inclined to leave them alone

[proven cloak]

I like to think all tarnished inner thoughts are written like the message system

[frozen olive]

lmao

[proven cloak]

its like its their natural language

[frozen olive]

that's a very funny idea

i like that

[feral linden]

mist, or beast

[frozen olive]

this but like

[spring marlin]

within a span of a few days some little duende nobody's ever heard of waltzes in (how did they even do that?), crosses the whole lands of shadow leaving a trail of bodies, slays the local tyrant, discovers the truth behind the fingers and the messages of the greater will and promptly beats it up, unseals a tower stretching up to the heaven which starts sending out divine god rays for like 5 minutes, and then leaves

[frozen olive]

overlayed on top of the memory of fighting the Elden Beast

[obtuse halo]

you don't have the right o you don't have the right, you don't have the right

[frozen olive]

you look into the mind of some random knight person and you just hear "Fort, Night" overlayed on top of the image of them physically beating an eldrtich god being to death

[obtuse halo]

if only I had a giant but hole on top of every summoning monument

[proven cloak]

likely beast...,
except god?

[mighty warren]

That feels like it causes immediate madness to the person peeking into their mind

[spring marlin]

then again every souls game can be described as "LIl' Fella Wakes Up, Topples Every Major Party In The Area In The Span Of About A Week"

give or take depending on if you see deaths and time passing when you die as canon

[frozen olive]

would be even worse for a telepath meeting the DS3 protag after the DLC

[atomic plinth]

Nah, just gives em Insight

...god, I wish they'd gone for something similar to insight in Elden Ring

[frozen olive]

imagine how terrifying it would be to look inside the mind of the Tarnished

and just know

without a shadow of a doubt

that you are bearing witness to an unstoppable force

[atomic plinth]

Or a shadow of the Erdree perhaps

...Christ that sucked lmao

[frozen olive]

a being who is not just willing but also capable of killing anything

for very little reason mind you

[spring marlin]

the tarnished picks fights because they want to, either always wins or will always win eventually, spends a decent chunk of their time killing the same poor sap 50 times in a row because they have to pick up the single armor piece that's just right off their remains

[atomic plinth]

God can you imagine what they'd think of the Naked Fuck With A Stick archetype?

[mighty warren]

i think it's even better when you consider challenge runs

"w-what do you mean they're only killing people by rolling into them?"

[frozen olive]

the Tarnished literally wakes up to like, a vague statement from god to seek the Elden Ring and just starts killing their way throughout the entire place

[spring marlin]

woke up and chose violence

[frozen olive]

the pure terror of looking at a tarnished and knowing it's fucking Ongbal

[atomic plinth]

Some guy in his underwear with nothing but a club just kills everything and becomes the new god

[frozen olive]

didn't even gain any strength

just built different

skill checked the entire world

[proven cloak]

its real funny how 99% of the tarnished success in lore comes from Torrent

if that horse didn't choose you, 100% you would've been cooked

[spring marlin]

the same feeling as invading a gank squad of three dudes wearing the same goofy set of armor and knowing full well you're about to be turned into content

[proven cloak]

what are you gonna do with no runes + likely much harder access to roundtable hold (and its god-slaying weapon-smith?)

[proven cloak]

I got summoned to be in a gank squad while trying to do co-op the other day

most wretched Elden Ring players

[atomic plinth]

At that point you accept your fate and put on a good show

[proven cloak]

the host fittingly was wearing dung armor

[atomic plinth]

Lmao same, but we disguised as background objects and jumped the invaders when they walked past

Fun times

Ended up getting bored and scooted off a cliff while I was still disguised

[frozen olive]

but yeah i just like the idea of having a telepath from a different world look into the mind of a Tarnished and find nothing but horror

[atomic plinth]

Tbh I'd imagine the horror differs from build to build

STR users' mindscapes are endless battlefields and carnage, a war unending where everyone is clad in the thickest armor and wielding the largest weapons

DEX users' mindscapes are roundabouts the same but shit's moving faster than you can comprehend

INT users are just an unending stream of cosmic horrors and sights beyond your comprehension

FAI users are also a stream of cosmic horrors unending but this time they're gold instead of blue

And ARC users minds are filled with visions of endless seas of blood and poison

[frozen olive]

mfw the Telepath looks into my mind and i just blast them with the Primordial Current(their brain starts turning into Glintstone)

[spring marlin]

the boss just outside the fog wall listening as they faintly hear 4 different buffs

[atomic plinth]

Them also knowing there's a 50/50 they'll vigor check the tarnished

[frozen olive]

the knowledge that the Tarnished is an unrelenting and unstoppable force is also something i was considering as part of the horrors™️

[atomic plinth]

It's funny how often you see dudes buff up to hell before a boss and immediately eat shit

[frozen olive]

no matter the case, Tarnished are absolutely unstoppable goal driven machines

[atomic plinth]

Aye

The horror of knowing that eventually, they'll win, and all you can do is prolong the inevitable

[frail sky]

Don’t forget the dragons!

[atomic plinth]

Oh yeah, and dragons wheeling in the skies above

[frozen olive]

I feel like that's worse than all the eldritch shit too

Cause the Tarnished goes and kills the eldritch monsters as well

[vivid spire]

Well I mean uh

I wanna give Lannessax a headpat

[proven cloak]

I used the lamenter transformation and tried to hit the next invader with only the bighead mode move

[vivid spire]

So killing is debatable

[proven cloak]

it didnt work

[vivid spire]

Also Lannessax glaive is like

Mid

[atomic plinth]

Regrettably so

[vivid spire]

While Rykard’s ideas were cool a bit he fucking sucks

A knight will not stand for such blasphemy

[atomic plinth]

Togethaaaaaaaa

[vivid spire]

https://youtu.be/OuuZ7TYrxz8?si=0dtD3uCsUj8GS6AV

Holy shit

[atomic plinth]

FKGS fuckin rules

[obtuse halo]

yeah it's strong. IIRC it's the weapon used for the build to oneshot the final boss 😛

[vivid spire]

I NEED IT.

[atomic plinth]

I've got a spare if you want one

[vivid spire]

Xbox

[atomic plinth]

...right, forgot

[stone cove]

It's got a great moveset too

[vivid spire]

I’m having so much fun with my stupid melee build

I love chivalrous knight core

[stone cove]

Oh, that was great. Doing a duel in the colisseum

they pull out milady, two hand it

me: immediately pull out my milady, two hand it

FIGHT

..then i wing stanced over their swipe combno and stabbed them for 900 damage and they died

[left willow]

Nice!

[median rock]

my kingdom for a lock-on point on the legs of ancient dragons

[stone cove]

It's very good for punishing anyone doing a high commitment thing

[left willow]

igh?

Oh, wiat, I got it, sorry

[stone cove]

Also people do not know how to dodge Divine Beast Tornado

that poor guy got double-tapped by it and lost 1.2k hp, cometpely turned the match around

OH NO

that poor duelist. THey tried to bait out my divine beast tornados by hiding behind a pillar

so while they couldnt see me, i charged and unleasehd a Ancient Draogn Lighting Strike

they panic rolled

badly

So they didtn just get hit by one bolt

they ate two >.>

And just immediately died

[stone cove]

So, yeah, Dex/Faith dueling is very effective

The mixup potential is incredibly high with my spell loadout

[stone cove]

Fucking hell, i've basically onyl been doing Colosseum tongiht and i'm gold rank already

i've lost like 4 matches <.<

[stone cove]

People need to stop locking themselves into animatiosn i can just wing-stance lunge

[grave plinth]

https://x.com/Raven__621/status/1819797397293179348

𝓡𝓪𝓿𝓮𝓷 (@Raven__621) on X

Someone is fighting Consort Radahn

Twitter · Aug 3, 2024, 6:08 PM

[stone cove]

Pfthahaha. New funniest kill: SOmeone starts up ROmnia's Purfication\

my character Flicks sword slightlyh up, hit's persons ankles, killing them instnatly

[frozen olive]

lmao

[covert schooner]

Oh my god is that a real photo

That’s crazy

[stone cove]

I have goten so many funny kills tonight.

..and so many salty players when i bust out a heal.

Weridly, when they bust out heals, i've still murdered them just fine

ALso a lot of people who are like "Let me do this attack i know Pengui ncan punsih with Wing Stance!"

gets punished

shocked pikachu face as they die

just ????

https://old.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/1ej19m4/you_think_miyazaki_will_hire_me_as_his_lead/

[atomic plinth]

Y'all know any pants that go well with the unaltered Banished Knight chestpiece

Besides the banished knight greaves, I'm not overly fond of the duck feet

[obtuse halo]

I haven't tested this myself, but maybe try Godrick Knight Greaves for a color match?

[atomic plinth]

Hmm

Perhaps

I'll go try that out

[obtuse halo]

could also try Blaidd's or Blackflame Monk legs for a more medium armor/cuirassier look

[frozen olive]

lemme boot the game and give it a look

[atomic plinth]

...3% drop rate on the Godrick knight armor?

Jesus fuck

[mighty warren]

Talking about the final boss of the dlc

|| Sometimes i think back about how lucky the killing run on consort radahn was, just got pushed to be more aggressive and ended up getting a bleed at the literal perfect moment that it killed him right where i died on my last attempt, I like to think i did Ansbach proud in that moment||

[obtuse halo]

god drop rates for fashion are the worst sometimes

[atomic plinth]

Real and true

[obtuse halo]

I remember grinding out the gladiator armor

[atomic plinth]

God that must've been a massive pain

[obtuse halo]

it was!

[vivid spire]

I grinded out a full nox set yesterday

Took hours

[warped quest]

i still think its stupid how the dorprates are in elden ring

and that the silver scarb is really late

[frozen olive]

made another set, looks pretty fucking good

[atomic plinth]

That is slick, damn

[frozen olive]

godslaying knight

bearer of false heraldry

[kind garden]

I have done some psychotic item rushes in Elden Ring

start-of-the-game gold scarab is probably the dumbest

[frozen olive]

i think the golem fist farm or the Haligtree crest greatshield were the shittiest ones i've done

[kind garden]

no I don't mean farming

I mean hauling ass through the game, ignoring normal progression to get certain items early

the canonical one being getting Radagon's Soreseal from Fort Faroth at the beginning of the game

or bum rushing Greyoll to get a bazillion early runes

[obtuse halo]

Leda's armor really is so good-looking

it crushes me that its benefit doesn't work on bows though

like come on, bows get nothing 😭

[frozen olive]

deny bow utility at all cost

[atomic plinth]

Bows are to be used for STATUS ONLY

NO DAMAGE

So sayeth Miyazaki

[warped quest]

remember when we could infuse bows with elemental damage

[obtuse halo]

I still blame a user named Scandiaca for challenging me to play a bow user over my assertions that I didn't think it would work

and then because my brain doesn't let me do things by half measures, here I am now I guess 😛

[lilac condor]

Question. If I start the DLC before finishing the base game, is that going to trivialize the last bits of the base game?

[static tulip]

No

Not really at least as far as like, stats go

The stuff in the DLC is for sure harder than most of the stuff in the base game though

[obtuse halo]

^

[warped quest]

i would say it probally does

[lilac condor]

oh yay. Wanted to punch out Hoarah Loux, but wasn't sure if that would make me overstatted. Kung fu vs WWE

[warped quest]

but the dlc is pretty late

[obtuse halo]

Though not vastly so admittedly. Malenia is still harder than the majority of the DLC bosses imo

[static tulip]

It's more that the DLC will sorta put you in the hyperbolic time chamber for getting good at base game bosses

Rather than overstatting

[obtuse halo]

Yeah

Though the dlc does give lots and lots of runes and you can definitely powerlevel there

[atomic plinth]

And some of the DLC weapons are

Fucking nuts

[obtuse halo]

I hit 200 just playing naturally

[atomic plinth]

Like the Fire Knight Greatsword

[obtuse halo]

And leveling up when i was sitting on enough

(But not actively farming or anything)

[frozen olive]

trying to decide what AoW would be best for the final SOTE boss rn

[atomic plinth]

Bloodhound Step?

Can't go wrong with it

[frozen olive]

nah i can dodge pretty well so i want damage

[atomic plinth]

Hrmm

What build you running

[frozen olive]

been trying out savage lions claw and Giants Hunt

[frail sky]

It’d have to be a pretty quick ash so you don’t have to trade to get it off

[frozen olive]

basic attacks with the weapon i am using do like, 800 dmg or so a piece which is just not enough for me to be able to use something like bloodhound step

[atomic plinth]

Hrmmmmm

Might I suggest Flame Skewer?

Far as I know it's got around the same values as Giant Hunt, but it deals some extra fire damage and buffs your weapon for a bit afterwards

[frozen olive]

might as well give it a shot

[atomic plinth]

And it's not a small buff either, it's fairly sizable

[frozen olive]

interesting

[atomic plinth]

It's definitely best on the FKGS, though it goes well with anything

If only because FKGS gets sizable bonuses to fire damage

Including from buffs

[frozen olive]

yeah

running mostly dex rn but i could respec

[grave plinth]

Did they fix the bug on the FKGS?

[frozen olive]

might need to grab a fire knights greatsword for that

tried it on Milady and it seemed pretty nifty, being able to do some quick normal attacks was certainly helpful for maintaining damage

[static tulip]

you tried Shriek of Sorrow?

use it at <=30% hp for a 25% damage boost for 40s

[atomic plinth]

If you're on PC, I have a spare I can give you

[frozen olive]

ok tried FKGS on milady and this is cooking

[atomic plinth]

Farmed it to powerstance before remembering I hate powerstanced colossal swords

[frozen olive]

that's really good

[atomic plinth]

Told ya it's a good weapon art

Shit's amazing

[frozen olive]

i think Milady is the play here

i've fought him before with FKGS and flame skewer and i didn't feel like it was as easy for me to use as this

i can get normal hits in with Milady as well

[atomic plinth]

Goot luck soldier o7

[frozen olive]

going to go to leyendell and fight god real quick so i can power level and get some of my important stats up

[atomic plinth]

Lmfao

[frozen olive]

i need more mind

[atomic plinth]

-mindflayers when they haven't had enough to eat

[frozen olive]

not awful stats but mind is hella low

i need to fucking spam my AoW so this will not do

[atomic plinth]

Definitely supplement it with the Carian crest

[frozen olive]

i am

[atomic plinth]

Cerulian amber?

[obtuse halo]

Tbh 20 is frequently where i leave mind at

[frozen olive]

currently running Dragoncrest Greatshield Talisman, Golden Braid, Shard of Alexander and Carian Filigreeed Crest

[frozen olive]

fair enough

me personally tho

i need way more

nerd down

GOAT down

time to go ratio god so i can use them as a sword

[vivid spire]

https://youtu.be/1xGpCxONBYU?si=M3xIrDTNDNEmqeB8

Is lvl 95 good for Mohg

Debating if I start the dlc early

[atomic plinth]

95'll be fine, prolly

[median rock]

shackle plus tear honestly can make mohg really free

u get so much free time to hit him and build up dmg + stagger

[vivid spire]

I just realized

||Maybe mohg is only evil as fuck because he’s mind controlled by Miquella||

[frozen olive]

well

||Mohgs blood thing doesn't seem, to have anything to do with Miquella||

[median rock]

||I think the implication from ansbachs quest is that mohg was less insane, but evil depends on your POV. mohg clearly wanted to become elden lord, and the formless mother + revenge/acceptance stuff isnt exactly miq's fault||

[frozen olive]

||But Miquella definitely charmed him to do the whole dynasty incest pedo shit||

[median rock]

||mohg was probably not obsessed w miquella but he was definitely still trying to bloodily overthrow the golden order||

[frozen olive]

also my controller died right as i was going to fight Radagon

[median rock]

||but it's also very possible that mohg's followers weren't exactly as brutal and/or sadistic as some currently are, and that's a symptom of mohg + his followers being mind whammied. hard to say.||

[frozen olive]

||Based on Ansbach being an absolute fucking G i feel like this may be the case. I think there is also definitely some variance going on, some of his minions like Varre were definitely kinda cooky anyway but i think Miquella mind fucking Mohg definitely didn't help things||

[median rock]

||I'm thinking of eleonora, actually. she's said to be the most bloodthirsty and deadliest (possibly even surpassing ansbach), but she's also a partaker in dragon communion. she may have just been lustful for power and blood and the thrill of it, or she might have been driven insane. who knows!||

[frozen olive]

||Yeah again we get some of that uh, fromsoft vagueness hitting the whole situation so it's impossible to be certain||

||Ansbach a real fucking kind tho, big W for Mohg having him as his main guy||

[median rock]

||specifically iirc her lore says she used to just be a goated warrior but now her legacy is tainted by the "accursed blood". I personally think she was probably just a normal warrior in the land of reeds, but ended up going shura or something along those lines.||

[atomic plinth]

...I don't get it, why are my Magic iron greatswords 5 points stronger than my Darkmoon greatswords...?

[median rock]

better scaling?

[atomic plinth]

That's the thing, Darkmoon has better scaling

B in Int and D in STR and DEX compared to C in Int and E in STR and DEX

Weird

[median rock]

probably due to whatever weirdness governs how split base dmg is calced for infusions

[warped quest]

id say darkmoon is stronger in that case

frost

[atomic plinth]

...true, it's probably that Darkmoon has lower base AR to compensate for the Frost

And for its Weapon Art

Still vaguely amusing that this shitty hunk of iron is somehow ever so slightly stronger though lmao

[vivid spire]

Hmm

Should I grab the Godskin Peeler

[frozen olive]

if you want to

[vivid spire]

Is the bloody helice any good

[atomic plinth]

If you're a DEX/ARC build it's pretty damn good

It's no Rivers of Blood or Eleanor's Poleblade but it doesn't need to be

[vivid spire]

I see

And the dex faith weapons are all on the dlc

[warped quest]

one of the other issues with dex fiath is a lot of good prayer arts are based on more str based stuff

but you can slap on keen

silirus woe is one of the better arts

its just a giant cannon shot of pure holy damage thats high enough to break though holy's issues

[vivid spire]

And are lot of dlc enemies weak to holy

Or was I just over leveled at 145 when I started

[warped quest]

i started dlc at 150 i think

yeah holy is good in the dlc for most of it

[glossy delta]

Its my favorite weapon
It staggers good, does mad damage and bleed, and has imo the best weapon art in the game
Handily defined my first playthrough of the game

Dynastic Finesse has mad I-frames and the followup staggers like crazy

So you can bully some bosses

[vivid spire]

Hmm I’d have to scale into arc for it

[warped quest]

i will say the dlc has a decent number of bleed resist

but it also is good pierce

[vivid spire]

I do like pierce

Maybe I’ll just do the Naginata

Black knife at 30 faith feels less weighty

Now I can’t decide ngl

Does Fia give any like special weapons or anything

[frozen olive]

this is why i overlevel, so i can try out more shit by just putting more points into the game

[grave plinth]

Are the Gargoyle weapons any good?

[warped quest]

the black ones no

others ones yeah

[median rock]

they're not bad for what they are, honestly. they're not optimal but they're fun split phys/holy weps

the aow (normal and DD version) is kinda balls but dramatic and it feels cool

I havent messed around w the infusable ones on anything other than sacred tho

[vivid spire]

Fuck I can’t decide what to level

Estoc, guardian swordspear, naginata or something else

[warped quest]

most of the black gargole weapons fall in the category of ashlocked generic weapos

[vivid spire]

Idk what would be thematically appropriate for a fia run

[warped quest]

nothing really

thjeres only one death weapon and its not good as is the mechnic itself

[vivid spire]

Yeah true

[warped quest]

if a weapo nis locked with an ash that is generic it is just not wort husing unless it offers something speical

like the crystal weapons are pretty aweful but the rotten ones are at least saved by being rotten

[vivid spire]

I do like estoc ngl

[median rock]

very true. but they're still fun and they have cool designs

I'm honestly more surprised that vacuum slice is an ash u can get, tbh. it FEELS like a unique skill to me

even though you could argue the destined death vacuum slice is distinct enough but idk about that one

[vivid spire]

The what

There’s a destined death vaccum slice

[warped quest]

ehhhhh

[vivid spire]

Also I might grab the shamshir ngl

[warped quest]

its more like vaccum slice with a weak blackflame effect

[vivid spire]

Ooh

[warped quest]

that only exists on the black gargole sword

[vivid spire]

Oh

Blackflame is probably thematically appropriate actually

Death (:

[median rock]

the corpsewax garg weapons have the red dd effects that the black blade kindreds have

im pretty sure it's on all of the corpsewax ones in some form

[vivid spire]

Hmm the twinblade has e dex scaling though

At starting without upgrades

[warped quest]

i don't recomend the black gargole weapons the greatsword is the only one that has that effect

the rest are just the normal gargole weapons except you cant get rid of the holy

[median rock]

huh, really? I thought the twinblade had a unique version of spinning slash

guess I just lived in a better timeline 😔

[warped quest]

nope there is a blackflame genric ash

that your probally thinking of

that or

there is actully a unique hidden spinning slash

the frozen lightning greataxe

has one

[median rock]

I know

a couple other things have similar reskinned effects iirc? just not as major

it's also a halberd technically but

[atomic plinth]

God I wish I could remove this stupid white hood from the Spellblade hat

[vivid spire]

Hmm

Fuck it

I’ll use the black knife until I find something I like

Maybe godskin peeler

[median rock]

if you're looking for like, dex faith stuff, you can also pick any decent dex or quality wep and use buffs

like throw electrify armament on that mf

[vivid spire]

Yeah I’m gonna try estoc

[median rock]

depending on the wep it deals more damage than infusing anyway, since you can get all of the benefits of keen w the extra from your incant scaling

[vivid spire]

The destined death stuff seems too specific so I’ll just lean into the death knight theming

And finally learn to fight without a halberd

[median rock]

on my run rn i have around 610 (split) AR with lightning infusion, around 750 with electrify armament on keen

[vivid spire]

I think for me I’ll do a mix of lightning and blackflame

[median rock]

blackflame blade is fun to try to time well

[vivid spire]

Especially as there’s Death Lightning too along with the Death Knight set in the dlc

So it is technically themed ngl

[median rock]

I think blackflame and red DD stuff are two opposing factions that are just harnessing the same shit

[vivid spire]

I feel like at the end of the day Blackflame will suffice ngl

Yeah

Oh shit I can put vacuum slice on the estoc

[median rock]

blackflame blade lasts like 10 seconds just fyi lol you gotta time that shit well

[vivid spire]

I know I’ve had practice

No matter what art you use chivalry is most paramount

cough

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Death+Knight+Set

Oh shit this FUCKS

[frozen olive]

god slain

[warped quest]

death knight is good

[frozen olive]

now i just need to farm a bit of runes

[warped quest]

as its the armor

i mean weapos

[vivid spire]

Ok estoc is ridiculous

With no input from Engvall at all

[warped quest]

tbf your probally overlevleed for aghell

[proven cloak]

yeah both come from the Rune of Death

[vivid spire]

Yeah true I was just surprised ngl

She just like me fr

[frozen olive]

gonna practice the final boss some more tomorrow

need to charge my controller

got a few levels in tho

so now i have 25 mind and 80 dex

[atomic plinth]

...oh my fucking god

I fucking fell down an elevator shaft because I didn't check if the elevator was called

While I was summoned

I am deeply embarassed

[real shadow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Aijnyn1NEA

[frozen olive]

https://youtube.com/shorts/JUNH_Y5x30Q?si=snIEL1ITS5dwbOSA

most reasonable modded elden ring video

[vivid spire]

Gonna test out the nagikiba

[frozen olive]

ok now this is some fucking drip

got that knight swag

[atomic plinth]

That's pretty slick

[frozen olive]

Milady works well with it

[atomic plinth]

Got that paladin swag

[vivid spire]

I think I’m gonna use the lucerene and estoc as side weapons

I’m completely out of runes

Tree sentinel smacked

[vivid spire]

Lost three hundred thousand runes

To Godfrey

[warped quest]

why do you run around with so many runes

[vivid spire]

It’s not enough to level at this point

[warped quest]

what level are you?

[vivid spire]

101

[median rock]

300k is around the 200 mark for levels iirc, from one of my more recent runs

what

lvl 100 is like 70k

did you mean thirty thousand instead of 300k

[vivid spire]

I try to get as much runes as I can to level up more than once

[warped quest]

200 is where it become scloser to 300k

[vivid spire]

I may be stupid

[atomic plinth]

Eh, you can always plink at that dumbass bird in Mohgwyn

[vivid spire]

Grinding pages

PAGE CLOTHES AQUIRED

[mellow silo]

High page?

Or just normal page

[vivid spire]

High

Chivalrycore servantmaxxing

Edit

My poise SUCKS

[warped quest]

poise doesnt matter until above 50

[vivid spire]

Oh yeah

[atomic plinth]

That's some spicy fuckin damage good god

Gets a 15% boost too so it ends up getting 100 some odd extra AR

Gains a few extra points with my good seal too

[warped quest]

i know twohand doesnt apply to arts

but i kinda wonder if it does apply to some

[vivid spire]

Are the omen supposed to hit this hard

[atomic plinth]

Do any greases beat out the bonuses from Electrify Armament?

[atomic plinth]

Yeah that's normal

[warped quest]

they hit pretty hard plus your armor is pretty weak

[atomic plinth]

Oh, shit, Scholar's Armament gives a significantly larger boost

[median rock]

I mean greases are all like 80 or 125 arent they? for normal n improved

or actually DLC ones are 120 and 135 apparently

so the answer is electrify is better if 0.75*incant scaling is greater than 120. so if ur incant scaling from whatever seal is above 160

[atomic plinth]

Right, and at the present my seal gives 384 scaling

[median rock]

lmao yep

[atomic plinth]

...huh

Apparently the Carian Scepter gives Scholar's Armament a buff

[median rock]

as an aside its bullshit that iirc, scholars armament only scales w int

it ignores other stat scalings that you may have

[atomic plinth]

Cast it with my PoD staff that has 396 scaling compared to my Carian Scepter's 377 but I lost out on roughly 100 AR with the PoD cast

[median rock]

ah no it's what I just said lol

[stone cove]

Yeah, same with the Incantations, they only scale with faith

Heals are also the same, they only use the faith scaling of your seal

[median rock]

yeah, it's bullshit lol

i don't understand why

it feels like, unintentional, since for most other purposes spell damage scales with whatever the sorcery/incant scaling is

but dynamic buffs/heals are only those stats and they would have presumably fixed it by now...

[stone cove]

At a guess, to stop Clawmark seal from being an easy win for strength builds, but honestly I don't really get it either

[median rock]

isn't clawmark seal still pretty lame compared to remotely decent faith

[stone cove]

I don't really think the buff system is very good

[stone cove]

For offensive casting it does surprisingly well and can be two handed for even more damage

[median rock]

huh no clawmark seal is better than i thought

i thougth it had ass scaling overall but no, being exactly evenly split between str/faith is pretty decent

[stone cove]

The B in strength goes pretty far, it can pull good numbers

[median rock]

its like. genuinely viable on str/faith builds then, i'll be - but i guess only for sacred/fire art infusions at least instead of buffs lol

[vivid spire]

Oh

[median rock]

damn with 60 str 10 faith the buff from a clawmark seal wouldn't even be that much stronger

[vivid spire]

Seluvis is already dead

Nevermind I guess no puppet for me

[median rock]

yeah he dies if you give fingerslayer blade to ranni

[vivid spire]

Ah well

I dislike the shunning grounds immensely

[median rock]

60 str 10 faith on +25 clawmark is 206 AR, so thats around 152 damage on electrify/etc. buffs

a normal grease is 80 and the new dlc grease is 120 (for the normal ones not the drawstring ones)

so its like, better but not by a ton

[atomic plinth]

||...Jesus fuck I was dealing like 2k damage to Metyr per hit with this setup||

[atomic plinth]

Good god and it chunked Maliketh

[vivid spire]

What level are you?

[atomic plinth]

315 lmao

[vivid spire]

oh

I’m farming for the aristocract hat

[atomic plinth]

WHAT THE FUCK

2000+ DAMAGE ON MESSMER

Jesus fucking Christ

[signal harness]

What's the setup?

[atomic plinth]

Nothing special

Here's what I've got

It wasn't the talisman proccing, cause the very first strike I landed dealt a wholeass 2000 damage

[vivid spire]

Ok but like the black robes fit SO WELL

[atomic plinth]

Shit, they do

[languid tiger]

jesus christ

level 320

[vivid spire]

Do yall still get a lot of summon signs at your levels

Observation:

She hugs tighter once you get the ending requirement

😌

[median rock]

iirc past lvl 300ish the pool ranges from <300ish> to 713 aka max level

i don't remember the exact cutoff but i would have said 303? not sure, something like that

but the game just totally gives up on matchmaking brackets past that, it's all fair game (which is reasonable)

[vivid spire]

Oh

So I can kinda over level but not too much

I’m in console so playerbase is limited

[median rock]

you have 1k base damage (including scholars armament) before accounting for motion values (from charged r2s etc.) or other buffs, like golden vow. i think 2k per hit is pretty reasonable at lvl 320 lol

[atomic plinth]

Aye, the other day I got summoned by some first playthrough looking fellow

Vagabond set, lordsworn greatsword, heater shield

[median rock]

if you're trying to actively get summoned and you're on NG+0, i'd suggest not going above 150 or so if you want a decent pool to work with

[atomic plinth]

And for the half-health black knife too

Which anyone on even NG+1 would be able to stomp without a second thought

[median rock]

the exact pool varies on both weapon upgrade & level, and also just random luck

[atomic plinth]

I guess it's just more noticeable because CGSs are fairly light and quick

Compared to other weapons that would normally be dealing thousands of damage

[median rock]

what other buffs do you have on? golden vow and shabiri or smth?

also, why millicents over rotten winged sword lol

[atomic plinth]

+5 dex

And I should... probably remember Golden Vow

[vivid spire]

Does sote add an ending

[frozen olive]

Not to the base game

[median rock]

none of the choices u make in SOTE persist to the base game or have any permanent impact on the character (aside from like, npc quest endings that lock you in/out of certain items). nothing like the frenzyflame ending stuff

[tropic stream]

So I found a video LMSH uploaded of him beating a mod I hadn't heard of before

Unalloyed Malenia

And

[median rock]

yeah that guy has a couple other fucked up mods too

[tropic stream]

Man honestly I wish that was the base bossfight

[median rock]

that video was insane

lol i don't

[tropic stream]

This may be fucked, but

I think honestly it's fairer lmao

[median rock]

what bullshit does stock malenia have that unalloyed doesnt

[tropic stream]

Also the fact the modder was like 'why doesn't Malenia have Isshin's disrespectful ass head-dodge?' and added it

look idk why but I feel like Unalloyed's waterfowl looks easier to dodge

[median rock]

it has both stock waterfowl and a different extended version

[tropic stream]

It does

Oh I just realized why

It has dodge timing tells

[median rock]

i tried it, and my biggest issue was depending on RNG it's really easy to get fucked up by positioning

[tropic stream]

The tip of her sword blinks with light and her stab motion sound plays

[vivid spire]

Oh ik that but does it add a like dlc ending you get an achievement for

[median rock]

no

no achievements, the DLC has only one main path with no alternate endings like ranni or frenzyflame or something

the rot clouds on the bottom + the fog that fills the arena + the fact that she can both extended waterfowl & the shadow clone bullshit at once is a little too much for me

(to be clear, i am NOT good enough to do this legitimately, i just turned on cheat engine to see what the full moveset in 2nd phase was like)

[vivid spire]

Rot fog???

[median rock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsMBxuGD2fs context video

this is a modded "what if malenia was insanely difficult" fight

[tropic stream]

*more insanely difficult

[vivid spire]

Oh god

[tropic stream]

I lowkey love the fog bit

[median rock]

the fog that makes it hard to see is ok

[tropic stream]

They 100% stole that from the Magni & Modi bossfight in 2018 God of War

[median rock]

the rot clouds on the bottom + those lasting basically forever while she does arena-wide chain attacks is really annoying

[tropic stream]

Ongbal fucking did it hitless lmao

of course

One last Maleniapost, but I just think one title of hers in particular goes so hard

(technically it's Millicent's but like, c'mon)

the Scarlet Valkyrie

[vivid spire]

My Malenia related OC was a scarlet rot dex build

I should really start the dlc with my other characters

[obtuse halo]

This looks tough but doable until phase four, fuck that shit lol

[vivid spire]

I need to beat more bosses with the page set

I’m getting too used to knight armor having stronger protection

[warped quest]

are you using any buffs to make up for the weaker armor

[median rock]

dragoncrest greatshield talisman my beloved

[vivid spire]

Dragoncrest, resistance incantations, ect

[warped quest]

vow?

[vivid spire]

Yeah

[atomic plinth]

...some guy with ||Metyr's staff|| just summoned me for the duo demihuman fight

I'm just kinda confused why

Eh, whatever, was fun stomping an easy boss

[vivid spire]

Oh shit

I completely forgot that Ds brother is gonna kill Fia

That zealous motherfucker

): I feel bad no matter what happens she always dies

[atomic plinth]

Bro no call no showed to work

Where is he

[vivid spire]

Apparently a common complaint about the dlc is uh

Playthroughs after the first feel unpolished and the game feels unfinished since the story is so simple

But that’s just Reddit I’ve seen so far

[proven cloak]

a couple of the dlc bosses do this too

which I appreciated

Messmer and ||Rellana|| esp

[frail sky]

That story complaint is... certainly a complaint that exists
What did they mean by unpolished though?

[proven cloak]

idk if you watched his attempt but the mod actually gets you additional Malenia interaction at the end if you do it hitless

[vivid spire]

I’m not sure

[tropic stream]

I saw

[vivid spire]

Apparently the dlc is just too small I guess

It’s the only complaint I’ve seen so far though

[proven cloak]

its got a couple areas that are more size than content

but for a dlc I dont mind that as much

[vivid spire]

https://www.reddit.com/r/eldenringdiscussion/s/rybe0dvhhM

My performance was fine on console btw

[proven cloak]

I only really had issues on the final boss, and even then, only a couple moves

[signal harness]

I think my general feeling on this is really just "who cares what reddit thinks"

[frail sky]

I certainly agree with the finger ruins and the jagged peak feeling empty, but other than that the rest of those complaints are just kinda... why are you complaining about this?

[vivid spire]

Yeah it feels unusual tbh

I didn’t even notice whatever this person is complaining about

[frail sky]

Really making me wish I could get the dlc on my ps4 😔

(It's an original ps4 and apparently those can't connect to the wifi around here, so yeah)

[warped quest]

the dlc def isnt small

[signal harness]

I definitely noticed some optimization issues and some lack of polish in a couple of places (mostly that one tomb where you could clip out of the world)

[frail sky]

I think there are multiple clip spots like that

[warped quest]

also ds2 was the only time ng+ actully had value

[signal harness]

And the graveyard plain kind of chugged on load without an SSD

[vivid spire]

Idk it feels like these are the same people who said ds1 was peak or something

Because I admit I did get lost and turned around in some areas and it got mildly annoying

But it feels like an adventure

That’s the point

[frail sky]

It honestly feels like it's the same size as ds1

[warped quest]

its def larger than the 3 ds2 dlcs

[vivid spire]

I’m sure I’ll be a bit better off on a second playthrough but I haven’t memorized the layout so it won’t be as quick

[warped quest]

and the 3 ds3 dlcs are decent content

each one forfor context to elden ring is probally a bit smaller than limgrave in content each

[vivid spire]

Also the Radhan thing is simple to anyone who paid attention to lore

[proven cloak]

its a little ??? just because the quest is a little fast and loose

but the thematics are alright

[vivid spire]

Idk like

Maybe I’m too much of an ER shill but I’ll defend the dlc for days I love it

[warped quest]

alsi i recently realized that iron keep feels like sen's funhouse fire edition

[vivid spire]

Even if the final boss is a slog

[proven cloak]

oh for sure, its one of fromsofts best dlcs

[warped quest]

fromsoft has a rough time with final bosses

[proven cloak]

I put it on par with the 3 ds2 dlcs combined at least

[warped quest]

if just counting base game the best boss to me is nash

and i dont consider her great

[proven cloak]

You don't like SoC / Gerhman?

[warped quest]

shes just decent and inoffnesivve

cant judge bloodborne

[proven cloak]

I liked SoC less than Radabeast

but I never found Elden Beast that annoying

[warped quest]

if radagon byhimself with some shanges was the final boss

id probally give him the top score

its elden ring that hurts it

[stone cove]

I'm currently playing without DCGS so I don't crutch on it.

Ow.

[warped quest]

its the nameless king issue

but reverse

i honestly miss armor leveling

[proven cloak]

the spectacle adds some more points for me

[warped quest]

the dragon creast shield honestly kinda feels like a replacement for armor leveling

if you think about it

[proven cloak]

I really like EB's design (Radagon's too)

[warped quest]

when you can get each part

[stone cove]

(this is not shaming anyone who uses DCGS, it's a good talisman(

[warped quest]

in elden ring i think its amazing but in ds2 its just ok

[stone cove]

This is an entirely I'm forcing myself to git extra good

[warped quest]

theres other rings that are really strong

flynn, blades, stamina, the hollow ring

stoneplate

[stone cove]

I find in ER there's enough strong talismans to make up for Not using Dragoncrest

[warped quest]

i actully sometimes feel like i hjad trouble finding talismans i wanted some times

[stone cove]

I'm currently running Erdtree Favor +2, Millicent's, Alexander's & a floating slot that's usually Old lord's, but can easily be green turtle etc

[warped quest]

i feel like turtle isnt as useful in ER

stamina rarely feels like a problem

[stone cove]

And the DLC added even more good talismans to play around, like Two Handed, Crusade Insignia, Lacerating Cross Yreet

[covert schooner]

Oooo

I just had

[stone cove]

It's insanely fucking strong

[warped quest]

the turtle ring in ds2 feels like i need it with my current build

[stone cove]

(turtle)

[covert schooner]

A great idea for an Elden ring edit
There’s that “they both reach for the gun” sound going around on tiktok rn

[stone cove]

Stamina Regen is huge

And very slept on

Honestly I should be running it in pvp, though I'm not sure what I'd give up.

[covert schooner]

And I think it’d be a really cool edit to like

Have a slow progression of all the people vying for power back to back
So Marika, GodSkins, Hornsent
Then Godfrey, Radagon, the fire giant
Then the rune bearers
Then Hoarah Loux, all the tarnished, Ranni, and the player

https://youtu.be/SBM82Ju2kJU?si=P0_OLykDgtq1eHNv

This song

Sorry not actually interesting to anyone but me I think but I wanted to get the mental image out

[atomic marsh]

they both reached for the jar

[covert schooner]

man

||a tiktok had me thinking about how ranni would react to miquellas godhood and the idea made me very sad||

[proven cloak]

I think she would probably do something like this:

[covert schooner]

lmao

i just think there would be ||profound recognition that they wanted the same thing effectively, but Miquella has just become marika again||

[obtuse halo]

I was given this exact fumo for my bday a couple of years back lol

[proven cloak]

it really nails the expression

• yeah, they end up very at odds in their methods, despite how similar their paths are

both discard their Great Rune, lose their flesh, reject Marika’s legacy (and her Elden Ring), ||Kill a sibling or two||, ||leave their closest warrior to go a lil’ cuckoo in their absence||

Ranni wants to ‘upend the whole of it’ and ‘betray everything’, Miquella seeks to ‘bury the original sin / break the wheel of karma’ and ‘abandon everything’

But Miquella would serve as the guide for his age, and Ranni wouldnt

My friends been replaying the base game, and reached the bad end of Bic’s quest earlier (rip)

got me thinking about how Boc’s quest resolves, and what Moore says about why he follows Miquella - esp with how mothers and guidance are treated in the dlc

is telling Boc he’s beautiful the same sort of thing as convincing Moore to side with Miquella? Is committing to Ranni’s path commiting to cold silence at any and all attempts by the forlorn to reach out, in contrast to unalloyed gold?

Idk

dlc themes……

[atomic plinth]

Naur, telling Boc he's beautiful is just the plain ole truth

[proven cloak]

real ones got the

[covert schooner]

I think in Miquellas fate theres like

a very real horror for ranni

very much ''if you're wrong, it will cost you everything. you could be him in a moments notice"

not exactly but more in the sense of like this plan gone awry amd he cant even tell that hes lost

[proven cloak]

I saw a fun interpretation that the weakness of Carians are their hearts, and that Ranni knows this

[covert schooner]

which is the awful thing about it to me is that he doesn't even know, he's not even really capable of seeing what hes become

[proven cloak]

Renalla (epic divorce woman), Rellana (unrequited), Ymir (love of the stars, love of his son), etc

no yeah he’s a little lost

He had doubts! And worries!

But no longer

[proven cloak]

so their point here is Ranni doesnt let herself get attached because shes seen the damage jt can do, but cant help herself from being attached anyway

[covert schooner]

absolutely

OH MAN KISS ME SON OF GOD FOR MIQUELLA

HOW DID I NOT THINK OF THIS ONE

but also yes ranni wants to be aloof and cold like her moon but cannot be

[proven cloak]

I still have no idea whats up with the moons

Which seems to be the point for the dark moon, at least

but they’re just kinda… there…

[covert schooner]

yeah

theyre not quite gods

but theyre something

[proven cloak]

they seem agentive?

[covert schooner]

but looking too hard into sorcery drives people crazy so who knows

[proven cloak]

They ‘guide’, ‘bewitch’ and can be ‘met’

They ‘appear’

but always in a vague way

and I absolutely dont know whats going on with the Nox post dlc

[gray leaf]

there's a fundamental theme of disdain for humanity, I'm realizing. Miquella believes in divesting himself of his human form. Ranni feels she has to. Goldmask believes that doing so is necessary for the new order to function.

[covert schooner]

I do think the lands between once had two moons

And that’s been separated

But the dark moon is more of a uhhhh

Metaphysical thing

[proven cloak]

they

• want an age of stars

• seem to like the dark and the void of space - made that Eternal Darkness spell

• got a city destroyed by a ‘malformed’ star

• fear the cosmos(?), or the universe-as-a-whole(?) and its influence.

• Drew the ire of the cosmos(?)

• Built a weapon specifically to kill and wound stars / cosmic beings.

• made a fake night sky filled with stars + a big (fake?) moon.

[gray leaf]

I... don't know how useful the distinction between "physical" and "metaphysical" is in the Lands Between, actually. I agree a lot of stuff is primarily metaphysical, though.

[proven cloak]

thats pro space stuff, anti space stuff, and could go either way stuff

[proven cloak]

you find an item description in Elden Ring 2 (Dark Souls 2: Three: Rings Raid edition) and its just “The Dark Moon is the shadow of the Full Moon”

[gray leaf]

It's possible they changed their mind at some point in response to something, maybe? Or maybe... I think any relationship with the stars or the dark moon is inherently impersonal. It doesn't like you. You don't like it, either. It's just a force you interact with and sometimes that interaction involves weapons? I don't know.

[vivid spire]

shrieking the tarnished means so much to her but she doesn't want to admit it due to fear of all the stuff that being a god entails

[proven cloak]

for a second I thought you meant the devs changed their mind, and I might agree

[gray leaf]

!!!!! I think I have a guess as to what "Marika is Radagon" means.

gimme a sec to get the relevant quote.

[proven cloak]

Ymir definitely seems to have liked them (his quote about love as foundational to becoming a great sorcerer) and the nox monk set / mirror helm implies at least some some of their culture feared the GW - which I mostly use as a synonym for “the cosmos itself”

[gray leaf]

Look at the text of the Secret Rite Scroll:

"A lord will usher in a god's return,
and the lord's soul will require a vessel."

Becoming a god requires a lord, and, separately, a vessel for the lord's soul. This is not just some weird workaround thing that Miquella had to do. This is a standard part of the process.

I think that maybe Marika was Radagon's vessel.

[proven cloak]

opposite, imo, but I see what you mean

[gray leaf]

No, the lord's soul requires a vessel. So it would be the lord's soul inside of some separate vessel.

[proven cloak]

Marika’s the god of the two, but Radagon could’ve been involved beforehand

[gray leaf]

Marika is the god in this equation, not the lord.

[covert schooner]

So

I still think Marika and radagon were mostly separate until their punishment

The dlc makes me feel like it’s more of a st Trina situation

[gray leaf]

Or. Alternatively. What's the order of the children, again? Because I need to remind myself that Morgott and Mohg do not have the same father as all the other children whose name starts with M... do they?

[proven cloak]

Godfreys kids, the both of them

I think Marika mightve done something funky with being the vessel for the Elden Beast, though

[gray leaf]

Yeah. I wonder, if Godfrey was the first Elden Lord... who was his vessel?

[covert schooner]

And then the “consort eternal” line change, imo, implies her full embracing you as something she refuses to cast away

[proven cloak]

it might not be a requirement for manipulating the Elden Ring, but something from her flesh melding

[covert schooner]

Well I think the vessel thing wasn’t a requirement for becoming god just

[proven cloak]

she became the vessel for the Elden Ring

[covert schooner]

The specific thing that he did to ||Radhaan||

Fuck it, names

[proven cloak]

also a strong possibility

[proven cloak]

its what I was thinking of for this

[gray leaf]

...and is that why he stopped being Hourah Loux? ||We know from the final fight that becoming a Lord can come with significant mental changes. And from the same fight that some of the specific traits of the original body follow through (see the bloodfire).||

[proven cloak]

I wish there was anything else on the secret rite

and if it was what Marika did, or something new

[gray leaf]

||I wonder if that's why Morgott and Mohg are omens; is Godfrey's vessel a Hornsent? It'd have to be, right?||

[covert schooner]

||I still think it’s because Marika is a completed jar snake||

[proven cloak]

I think Godfrey originally was from the Lands of Shadow, or about

[covert schooner]

||saint||

||so she has Hornsent in her, literally||

[proven cloak]

the bear fighters reference him, and a lot of the outfits match in style with the highland gear

[covert schooner]

There’s not much evidence for this it’s just personal theory

[gray leaf]

Well, I think we're actually talking about two people:

• Hourah Loux, Warrior of the Outlands, and
• Whoever's body became his vessel, because a lord's soul requires a vessel.

[covert schooner]

Not universally tho

WE become lord

With our own body

[proven cloak]

theres technically very little implication they need a different vessel

Radahn did, because his body got rotted + eaten

[gray leaf]

Well, yes, but we aren't turning someone into a god at the same time.

[proven cloak]

Ranni might (probably, imo) become a sort of god

[covert schooner]

I think the godhood and ||Radhan|| are separate

Personally

[gray leaf]

I find it interesting that the Secret Rite Scroll would specifically mention needing a vessel, because it implies it's a standard task that happens.

[proven cloak]

The divine gate isnt the only way to reach godhood - the fingers clearly chose the base game Empyreans without it being relevant

[gray leaf]

If a lord could be their own vessel... well, why would you even need to say that?

[covert schooner]

Because it’s the land of the dead, probably

Souls without bodies are common in the lands of shadow

[proven cloak]

As are vessels with the hornsent

[gray leaf]

I think this would have been written before the lands were split, though?

[proven cloak]

their keepers and horned warriors channel bodiless spirits

[covert schooner]

The dead land thing might have been before the split

It’s unclear

The timeline of the dlc is extremely open to interpretation

[proven cloak]

Cerulean Coast definitely seems older

[gray leaf]

The Dancing Lion shows that a vessel can be very abstract, ranging from a person, to a costume, to a dance (arguably). But. It just seems really really strange to call out needing a vessel specifically, when, if you could use a living person, that would seem to be implicit and then using some other vessel could be a workaround?

[proven cloak]

and the ghost birds fit the golem style in construction