”The primeval current is a forbidden tradition of glintstone sorcery. To those who cleave to its teachings, the act of collecting sorcerers to fashion them into the seeds of stars is but another path of scientific inquiry.”
#Elden Ring (DLC hype room)
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gray leaf
Yes, but I'm not sure if the seeds of stars and a failed attempt to create a comet are inherently the same thing.
The comet spells were created by the same conspectus as Shard Spiral, but comets are very pointedly described as having tails.
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whats interesting is Comet Azur is described straight up as a comet
but looks and acts like a “torrent” of energy
gray leaf
And meteorites are very distinctly different, since they're more clearly rocks... though, again, there's fallingstar beasts... I sort of want to look at the original translations for some of these.
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”The primeval current is a forbidden tradition of glintstone sorcery. To those w...
I think at least shard spiral is related in context, you learn it from Sellen after helping her
a graven-witch, a primeval sorceress
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And meteor*ites* are very distinctly different, since they're more clearly rocks...
as well as ||Metyr, the first ‘shooting star’||
And Astel, I guess
a ‘malformed star’
gray leaf
Well, yes, but those aren't connected to meteorites in the same way.
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Radahn also holds back stars, but prevents a meteor impact
which acts like other meteors we see, gravity weirdness
hmm
its tricky
patch 1.00 of the game had the nox “hold meteors in the same regard as the stars”
gray leaf
Ok, that's fair. I really think this is drifting into "overanalyzing the direct wording of a translation" territory, though (and admittedly, that's mostly my fault).
gray leaf
patch 1.00 of the game had the nox “hold meteors in the same regard as the stars...
...which would imply that they aren't the same thing, but then there's a question of the canonicity of that.
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right
🤷♂️
weird game
I still dont know if the Nox were pro-stars or anti-stars tbh
||at least one eternal city was broken by a star, they built star-slaying weapons and feared the cosmos-itself, but awaited an ‘Age of stars’ and built fake night skies.||
vivid spire
Awake
It’s time for Lucerne Concern
God I love playing this build ngl
It’s fast but not brute strength so I have more agility and reach than a sword
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||at least one eternal city was broken by a star, they built star-slaying weapon...
You can fear a god and worship it
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Ive been wondering if perhaps their black moon and fake night sky was more mimicry
gray leaf
||I feel like the cosmos, more than anything else, isn't something you worship or battle. It is the deep. It's dangerous, and it's powerful, and, fundamentally, it does not care about you.||
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doing the same thing to celestial forces the silver tears do to earthly life
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||I feel like the cosmos, more than anything else, isn't something you worship *...
||oh yeah, I think when they “invoked the ire of the GW” it was more a case of them accidentally calling Astel down, or attracting meteors||
Why is Astel ‘Malformed’ or a bastard? If it wasnt ‘supposed’ to land on the planet, if it was yoinked while growing(?)
stone cove
Fair, I just learn to switch between things rapidly.
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and the forbidden sorcery of Seilia is a lost Nox sorcery that draws in spells with a dark sphere
gray leaf
||"Bastard" is really interesting if it's accurate, because it implies it has two parents, and one of them, it shouldn't have. "Malformed" does not necessarily imply "immature", but I don't know if that's stated somewhere?||
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||its been mentioned that the eternal cities look like Enir Illm with the corpses blending into rock - maybe Astel was more similar to the graven masses, and its a bastard or malformed because its a star born on earth from sacrifice?||
those are basically my two theories about it
the second one matches worse to the similarities fallingstar beasts have - if its a lifecycle with Astel as the ‘natural’ end state
gray leaf
Oh, that's interesting, and now I really want to study exact Japanese wordings on this.
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(but then why bastard? Why malformed?)
vivid spire
I feel like it’s a case of both societies calling down a power
But the eternal cities only partially learned and understood from it
While enir-ilim is a hybrid of the power of the Divine Gate with horns and spirals growing from the architecture
gray leaf
Enir-ilim isn't trying to call down a power. It's trying to build one up to climb to the heavens, not pull the heavens down to earth.
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ive heard some people think Enir Illm summoned the EB
I think its probably older, given the ring in Farum
gray leaf
...Enir-Ilim was not, as I understand it, intended to call down a power.
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… and whatever relation it has to the Crucible
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...Enir-Ilim was not, as I understand it, *intended to* call down a power.
yeah, I think it was a big fantasy transhumanist project
gray leaf
I'm not sure if the Crucible is a location, a force, or an object. Probably a mix of the first two?
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harnessing the power of chaotic evolution, but in a directed way, to create ‘higher life’
gray leaf
...the cycle of death and rebirth, taken into mortal hands.
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I think the most likely explanation for the crucible is still “brought by the Golden Comet / Elden Beast”
but the dlc didnt exactly clarify matters there
gray leaf
I also think the Crucible, despite being undirected life, is kind of also Life as a concept? Since it's the same shape as DNA.
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yeah
though the spiral isnt the only way the crucible can appear - spira calls it a “normalized” crucible current
gray leaf
harnessing the power of chaotic evolution, but in a directed way, to create ‘hig...
Is there a canonical quote which speaks to this?
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something controlled
Crucible knight weapons call it a vortex
either way it spins, but one is much more directed
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Is there a canonical quote which speaks to this?
so its based off a few (im on phone rn rip)
gray leaf
I mean, the very star of primordial life had RNA, and the early microorganisms were able to exchange DNA pretty freely since they were all so simple and similar, but that's a reach.
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crucible talismans in base game call it signs of devolution, but the hornsent call its gifts evolutionary (fine feather talisman)
gray leaf
I agree with the concept; I'm just curious if there's any quote talking about higher life specifically.
Because the very concept of some life being higher or lower might be an example of Classical Hubris. Evolution has no telos.
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their culture is based heavily around ritual purification (curseblade flagellation, divine gate grace, the way they ‘sculpt’ themselves to recive forces)
nah
this is my conclusion based on the stuff you see
more than something directly stated
they harnessed the spiral to ‘reach the gods’ with a controlled current of life itself - which resembles dna
I dont know if anything directly says more horns / gifts = better
gray leaf
That is a much better understanding of "sculpted keepers" than wondering if they were stone or something.
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besides fine feather?
gray leaf
I mean the concept of some life being better than others, period, or the idea that this is a thing that could be controlled or taken charge of just seems like classical hubris.
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Because the very concept of some life being higher or lower might be an example ...
mhm - almost as if they’d assume their ‘higher life’ would agree with them automatically
as if, if it didnt, theyd feel betrayed
turns out making humans into gods just makes them powerful humans
really powerful humans though
gray leaf
In the crucible, all life was as one... and by definition, none of it would be any higher or lower. In trying to emulate their past, they acted directly counter to it. You know, like how Godrick did.
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oh the jar innards actually fit this too
I read saint as meaning “good person”
but they were takinf criminals and shamans - people worth “less” - and rebirthing them into ‘better’ forms
gray leaf
Here's a question: is the term for the jar saints the same as the term used for St. Trina in Japanese?
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(and if they used them as concrete, more ‘useful’ forms too)
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Here's a question: is the term for the jar saints the same as the term used for ...
from what Ive heard, no, but includes some of the same kanji
Saint Trina / Romina are “holy woman”
idk what the jar innards are
gray leaf
Alright. I was just curious if "saint" had a specific idiosyncratic definition, but if they're not all referred to with the same turn, probably not.
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they dont use the same words, but could still be intentionally connected. Idk japanese well enough either way to tell
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@gray leaf in terms of interesting translations, where english uses “original sin”, japanese used “causality” - with the same kanji as the law of causality spell
Miquella seeking to escape ‘the original sin’ can be read as him seeking to escape the cycle of causality / karma
moreso than a specific past sin
gray leaf
THat is meaningfully different.
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I can see the connection and why’d they’d translate it that way
but it takes you different places for sure
obtuse halo
If nothing else it’s very literally escaping origin and deterministic history
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^
obtuse halo
But it isn’t nearly so…Christian-tinged
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original sin as the thing all people are born with, the cycle as something inherent to people
but its much easier to read it as “origin of sin” without the context
gray leaf
The other thing is that by saying "the original sin", a lot of people seem to think it's referring to something specific. Possibly the same as the cardinal sin of burning the erdtree, or possibly not. But, either way, this might end up as an event which does not actually exist but still informs theories.
vivid spire
Saint Trina / Romina are “holy woman”
Trans win
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I wonder if they made it so christian tinged because it fits Miquella
hes already got the saint other half, the sacrificing, the focus on purity / white light
has a promised land
obtuse halo
original sin is also a hell of a phrase to recklessly bind up with snake imagery 😛
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I dont even know WHATS going on with the snakes
obtuse halo
though yeah Miquella's whole ethos is absolutely christian-tinged in the first place
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I want to see the wording for his ||trina cross in japanese - is it his love (ability to love) or love (noun- thing he loves?)||
gray leaf
Yeah, that's another extremely important one.
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it could also be equally vague tbh
Elden Stars does this too
its wording is as cryptic in both languages
but it helps underline what the devs were probably meaning
moreso than considering one language as the ‘true’ one, thats why I like seeing translations
less so the english as inherently less accurate, more that you can double check you’re on the same page as the story
gray leaf
Which is probably a good call! Translation is tricky; analysis of a translation, moreso. Especially since, as someone who does not know Japanese, I will be reading a translation either way.
vivid spire
I see
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And ERs translations are pretty good, generally!
gray leaf
It's just a choice between a translation which is in communication with the original author for tone and which aims for appropriately naturalistic flow, and a translation which focuses on (allegedly) more literal translations, or more verbose and explanatory ones.
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Like I played DS1 and 2 and its way better here
I like how poetic ER descriptions get
”Do you see the Erdtree, towering O’er?”
or even ||”No wonder, as one God, and One Lord Consort, is all that is required.”||
gray leaf
Also the consistent and exactly backwards usage of thee/thou versus you for tone and formality.
I find it so funny that the Bible was written to make Jesus sound friendly and informal and relatable, and it accidentally broke our understanding of English tone and grammar.
vivid spire
Bible.. propaganda?!!
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Also uh
I have a weird theory for fixing death ngl
It’s that reincarnation and such has always existed but the sealing away of death made it faulty and caused the energies that would govern souls to fester into malevolent forms
gray leaf
Bible.. propaganda?!!
Not exactly what I mean. More "Jesus was a Cool Dude 😎👉"... which I guess still counts, but fair.
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I think spirits are probably as old as life
theres an interesting question of if the aliens got spirits
As old as earthly life, at least
I guess theres evidence EB is a spirit itself
they might not have the same distinction as the other life
gray leaf
I think that depends, in part, on the definition of "life". The Fallingstar Beasts and Onyx/Alabaster Lords and Crystallians all seem inorganic, and they're gravity-aligned; ||Metyr|| seems very organic, but to my knowledge is not gravity-aligned?
That's actually a meaningful questions: do effects which deal bonus damage to gravity-aligned targets (such as the Wing of Astel) also deal bonus damage to that boss?
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she ||takes extra damage from gravity stuff, same as Onyx lords and Fallingstar beasts||
yeah
it does deal extra to her
Dragons, giants, trolls, and Marika’s fractured corpse also raise questions about how different organic and inorganic life really is
gray leaf
Does it deal extra damage to the Elden Beast? It doesn't, right?
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it doesnt - which raises possible questions
median rock
no. doesn't
gray leaf
she ||takes extra damage from gravity stuff, same as Onyx lords and Fallingstar ...
But that... is interesting. Maybe it means something, but I don't know what.
vivid spire
What’s the best longsword in game for dex users
median rock
i believe onyx/alabaster lords + fallingstar beasts are literally like made of meteors/falling stars
like they are quite literally extraterrestrial rocks
median rock
What’s the best longsword in game for dex users
as in straight sword class item?
vivid spire
Yeah like a good straight sword weapon
gray leaf
i believe onyx/alabaster lords + fallingstar beasts are literally like made of m...
Absolutely, yeah. Which makes it all the odder that ||Metyr, who is made of fingers, is also weak to gravity magic||.
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The lords are said to have come to life where meteors hit the ground, so its possible the rocks they’re made of are earthly, just infused with “space-life”
vivid spire
Ok! It’s got a morbidly low drop rate right?
median rock
but its also a pita to farm lol so maybe ask if somebody can dupe one for u
i dont think i have a save with one but i can check
median rock
warhawk talon is also high scaling and its pretty fucking sick but even more of a PITA to farm
median rock
according to an ar calculator, the highest scaling (scaling-value-wise, not total damage wise) straight swords are noble's slender sword (farmable), ornamental straight sword (chapel grafted scion drop), warhawk talon, cane sword
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Absolutely, yeah. Which makes it all the odder that ||Metyr, who is made of *fi...
dont forget how ||glintstone is said to be similar to amber, and several catalysts replace Glintstone with literal amber or blood-amber, and work as staves||
so even these rock-like stars might produce… sap? Blood? Crystallized life?
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everything beyond that is either mixed scaling w other stats than str/dex, or more of a quality weapon mostly
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and glintstone grows
and takes root within people who delve deep into its mysteries
median rock
if you want a REAL dex weapon, theres also the DLC dancing blade
gray leaf
dont forget how ||glintstone is said to be similar to amber, and several catalys...
||True. There's somethng there, and maybe it's connected to the idea that the difference between sorceries and incantations is, fundamentally, an illusion. Not just from that one catalyst, but also the various sorceries being cast as incantations/vice versa from the DLC.||
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which has a fucking insane 1.71 dex scaling (most weapons even when keen/heavy infused don't go above like, 1.4 or 1.5 at best)
but its a paired set of curved swords so not the same class
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Theres also quite ||a bit to connect the Greater Will with all spaceborne life post-dlc||
gray leaf
and takes root within people who delve deep into its mysteries
Yes, and also people who delve too deep into it physically, if you look at the various glintsone miners.
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||True. There's somethng there, and maybe it's connected to the idea that the d...
I’m smug about this because I was a truther for this theory pre-dlc
and it got a lot of support
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Yes, and also people who delve too deep into it *physically*, if you look at the...
oh good point, and even the ‘normal’ miners turn more rock like
Currently my headcanon is that the original life of the lands between was stony, and it turned more organic (and gold?) later on
gray leaf
Also it takes root in life generally, seeing as, not only can it form in some species of fireflies, but the size of the glintstone deposit can be selectively bred for.
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||True. There's somethng there, and maybe it's connected to the idea that the d...
theres a lot in the arcane schools to also suggest magic is fundementally about life energy
gray leaf
...which is, arguably, further evidence that Raya Lucaria was totally stagnant, if one guy in the middle of nowhere did this thing which would have been useful, and then this whole other academy... didn't. Unless it required an influence of the Crucible, either conceptually, or magically, or just in terms of providing the right point of view to come up with that idea.
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calling upon living forces for power
either through invocation, use of residual life, or changing yourself and calling on your own inner power
median rock
it's just like falling asleep :)
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Its underscored twice that glintstone study is fundamentally about the study of life
and specifically, the life of the stars
frozen olive
Azur and Lusat also just like, permanently fucked themselves up and died from studying the primordial current
gray leaf
Painful
- Who knows? It might be, or it might only be if you move around too much.
- What kind of transformation isn't?
frozen olive
cool magic
gray leaf
Azur and Lusat also just like, permanently fucked themselves up and died from st...
Aren't they still alive?
frozen olive
not even a little bit
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they are if you can call that living
frozen olive
it's also pretty much outright stated that glimpsing the primordial current broke them mentally
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I think they breathe?
frozen olive
it completely ruined both of them at any rate
gray leaf
There's also the question of whether that was actually a mistake in the first place, or if turning into a near-immobile chunk of glintstone was actually a total success for them because it meant obtaining enlightenment or cosmic oneness or whatnot. Mentally they're not doing so hot, so maybe it wasn't a goal they should have gone for, but do we even know that it's an accident?
frozen olive
also uh
This crown replaced Lusat's brain and skull altogether, and now, removed from his body, it is all but dead
i don't think he survived this
imma keep it real
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glimpsing the Primeval Current (japanese calls it the ‘Source’ or ‘Origin’, as in source of a river) doesnt seem so fun
frozen olive
there is a good reason it's banned
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`This crown replaced Lusat's brain and skull altogether, and now, removed from h...
the horror is the “all but dead” part to me
its not dead
even removed from his body
its “basically” dead, but….
frozen olive
yeah
same case with Azur
This crown replaced Azur's brain and skull altogether, and now, removed from his body, it is all but dead
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spooky
frozen olive
by all reasonable metrics, both of them are dead
at least what they were is completely gone
gray leaf
Are Graven Masses dead?
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Dont their bodies go missing when Sellen transforms?
Like, its implied she combines with them specifically?
kind garden
have I ever explained my theory on why the Primeval Current breaks people
obtuse halo
at least what they were is completely gone
I wouldn't be so sure of that
Sellen establishes the practice of Primal Glintstones that can be transferred between bodies
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gray leaf
But... now that I think of it, Elden Ring has kind of a lot of painful transformations where your flesh is replaced with that of a greater power. The man-flies, glintstone miners (and scholars), dragon communion if it goes wrong...
obtuse halo
I would be wholly unsurprised if either of them had one
frozen olive
honestly, probably would be a kinder fate to kill them
kind garden
see my perspective is that the Primeval Current is quite literally the Greater Will's eternal design for the world writ in the stars
frozen olive
they don't seem to have particularly come out of glimpsing the primal current in a very good state
kind garden
it is the fate of all things. to glimpse the full breadth of the Primeval Current is to know everything in a sense that calcifies reality and also your damn brain
gray leaf
And I just realized that the Glintstone Crowns look the way they do because they emulate glintstone directly growing from the head, and that'd be the goal to emulate. Maybe t's a miscommunication where they thought the scholars wore glintstone rather than growing it, but I suspect not.
frozen olive
imagine they did wear them, growing a glintstone in your skull doesn't seem like a good thing based on the evidence we have
kind garden
which is why the Primeval Current sorceries are profound, ultimate sorcerous arts
they represent total understanding and control over cosmic lifeforce
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I think in general sorcs grow glintstone
frozen olive
Alberich also seems to have been growing crystals out of his head
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but the primeval stuff drastically accelerates that
gray leaf
It's physically transforming into the substance of magic and the cosmos. Is that not sublime? Is that not divine?
kind garden
but the alternative to the Primeval Current is moon magic, as moons are not stars but guides of stars
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Sellens primal glintstone that grew inside her
kind garden
so in opposition to the Primeval Current is moon magic and the ability to alter fate
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A solid read
gray leaf
There's also stuff like the Scadutree Sorceries, which were once invocations.
kind garden
calcification, or freedom
gray leaf
!!!!! That's why Thops' Barrier is worthy of its own conspectus! It redirects magic.
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My read differs in that I think the guidance also locks fate in
Carians are said to have fate controlled by the stars, and are the big moon faction
Ranni needs radahn dead to set her prior fate in motion again
gray leaf
I think, in some sense, stars are fate, for everybody.
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and can wield the fingerslaying blade due to possessing a fate
gray leaf
There's ways to slip out from under that, though.
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I think, in some sense, stars *are* fate, for everybody.
this tracks with how the Erdtree and the Fingers can control it too
||both are born from stars||
kind garden
Radahn's mastery of gravity magic is key because it's the same as the Greater Will's magic to control the stars
which is why he's able to hit the snooze button on fate
gray leaf
How ironic; he holds the world still and unmoving, while he himself eternally stagnates and rots.
kind garden
from the Gravitational Missile description:
One of the glintstone sorceries that manipulates gravitational forces.
Fires a gravitational projectile that pulls in enemies before finally exploding.
Charging extends reach of projectile and number of inward pulls.
Said to have originated in the lightless dark far beyond—the home of the fallingstar beasts.
Lightless dark mentioned both in Ymirs hat (representing something of the GW’s), and in Comet Azur
this spell found right next to a Finger Ruin
kind garden
The Greater Will is said to dwell in lightless void
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my pre-dlc “all magic relies on life-energy” theory always got stumped on gravity magic
kind garden
yeah gravity magic draws from the very deepest and most fundamental essence of the cosmos
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if its the life of the cosmos itself, through the greater will, it’d work
kind garden
in a sense, one could intuit the Greater Will is itself gravity, the force that holds together all that is and orders the stars
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Some sort of universal force that “binds all things together in a chain of relation”, perhaps
gray leaf
...that would be really interesting to consider. I don't know what it particularly means, though.
kind garden
rather.
gray leaf
I thought it was mostly just... physics in general, and the concept of order, as opposed to the Frenzied Flame's entropy.
obtuse halo
Some sort of universal force that “binds all things together in a chain of relat...
I mean that's just the principle of Causality
kind garden
after all, the laws of the Golden Order are Regression and Causality
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of note is the two types of gravity magic are Onyx and Alabaster Lords
pulling things in
and pushing them away
yeah
kind garden
Regression pulls all things together and represents the convergence towards meaning
median rock
me when all things yearn eternally to converge <3
kind garden
Causality is the pull between meanings; that which links all things in a chain of relation
gray leaf
It does, and it explains some things, aaaaaaand. Okay. Hold on. Something just occurred to me.
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or more specifically, the idea that editing a big rune can change the way physics works in an area - a chain of relation that connects concepts to something tangible
as within, as without - inner order, outer order, golden order totality
kind garden
another thing I've been considering
the spiral is associated with the Crucible
the idea that life and death are interlinked in an ascending double helix upwards, a staircase to godhood
but there's another spiral that also seems to represent or bring about contact with higher realms, and it's Metyr's tail, a pair of fingers twisted into a spiral
gray leaf
This is a big reach but:
kind garden
I don't know about the black hole in specific but I do know that the Greater Will and the Microcosm are always depicted as a lightless void ringed by gold
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”the GW is a black hole (possibly at the center of a galaxy)” has cropped up a few times recently yeah
kind garden
it's extremely consistent
obtuse halo
it's actually the Darksign
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and it would make the frenzied flame a bastarization of it in an additional way
kind garden
we got one of these
and one of these
representing the Greater Will and its lightless abyss
obtuse halo
we got one of these
...I never looked at it up close, is that just a fucking Eye again?
kind garden
sure is
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uh huh
obtuse halo
god damn it miyazaki
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Grace dwells in eyes, more runes start to look like eyes
yeah lol
many characters are missing eyes, or hold divinities within them
I dont know what it means but they’re definitely A Symbol in the game
obtuse halo
I don't need to post the rune images do I
no, i'm familiar, I just hadn't connected it to the microcosm specifically
gray leaf
I didn't realize the microcosm was also an eye, but... if it's a vessel of the Greater Will (and it is), that makes some sense.
In general, divinity dwells within the eyes.
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This is a *big* reach but:
and of course:
gray leaf
She has none because the rot consumed them, I think.
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||Miquella also only has closed eyes||
gray leaf
Look at ||Messmer's second phase||.
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and I think Radagons are gone / closed when you fight him?
gray leaf
||Miquella also only has closed eyes||
||Oh that is a very good catch. I didn't notice that.||
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Mohg also lost an eye, and communes with his god
Morgotts eye is forced shut by his horns, and he can wield grace-magic like none other
gray leaf
Forced shut, or gone?
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Enia, and cut content, refers to the Elden Ring as “The Vision”
gray leaf
But the fire giant grows/manifests/opens a giant eye when invoking his lost god, too.
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so theres something about trading an eye for insight?
Or maybe that losing your eye means youve fallen for something elses vision, or way of seeing the world?
gray leaf
Perhaps. Either could work, actually.
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like metaphorically becoming elden lord and changing the ring is about having a strong vision for how the world should be
gray leaf
I thnk we should be wary of "overfitting" and treating anything circular as an eye, though... even with all the clearer examples.
...I was trying to check something else, and I noticed this. This is the shawl Godrick wears before his fight... with a very interesting pattern.
Although it's three strands, not two, so... never mind. His inner garment has a double helix, though.
and it actually definitely is that, if you look at how the lines cross.
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I mean thats another area to be wary of overfitting
because the game also is just pulling on irl human motifs
I'd look more at stuff like the Crucible Tree Armor as intentional uses of the motif
with its real prominent double helix
or Elden Stars, the oldest spell of the Ancient Erdtree / Crucible incantations
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or all the Crucible Knight weapons
"Ordovis's Vortex: Channel the power of the crucible to spin the entire sword in
midair-"
"Siluria's Woe: Thrust the weapon in a spiraling motion, surrounding it in a vortex of wind. "
"Devonia's Vortex: Using the power of the Crucible vortex, violently spin the hammer around and slam the ground, causing a shockwave. "
old brook
It's been Gurren Lagann all along..
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didn't expect confidence...
so to speak circling around, O, circling around
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Is there a canonical quote which speaks to this?
I'm actually free for a sec so let me pull up some of the other stuff that made me think this
gray leaf
Hey. Question. Does Godfrey's hairstyle switch when he becomes Hourah Loux? I wanna check something quick.
proven cloak
yeah so the base feather talisman, under the Golden Order, says
A vestige of the crucible of primordial life. Born partially of devolution, it was considered a signifier of the divine in ancient times, but is now increasingly disdained as an impurity as civilization has advanced.
while fine feather, from the Hornsent Culture, says
Hornsent view the Crucible as sacred for the refinement wrought through its evolutionary gifts. Most prominently, their tangled horns.
a chaotic devolution from unrestrained, 'impure' life
versus refinement through 'evolutionary gifts'
and specifically the latter is said to be why the Hornsent venerate the Crucible - its sacred because its gifts lead to further 'refinement'
gray leaf
Ah.
proven cloak
so their most sacred project is the divine tower, a huge spiral
where you can find the Spira incantation
The spiral is a normalized Crucible current that, one day, will form a column that stretches to the gods.
not really no
proven cloak
normalized to me meaning controlled
a controlled Evolutionary current that will one day stretch to the gods - a harnessed current that thrums up a tower and forms into a gate that turns those suitable into gods.
gray leaf
not really no
dangit I was gonna say something cool but it ended up not being true. Also I have suddenly realized that I have not eaten lunch or taken my meds and I kind of need to do both of those things so, uh, I'll have to come back to this in a little bit.
frozen olive
Godfrey just kinda rips serosh off, rips his armor off, and gets a nice coat of blood before going to beat you to death with his bare hands
proven cloak
I did see someone theorizing that Godfrey has hornsent ancestory because of his hair color
Midra and Hornsent also seem to have that sort of white-ish ash color
and Hornsent Grandam
might?
idk how much stock I put into it, just while Godfrey's hair is relevant
proven cloak
Godfrey just kinda rips serosh off, rips his armor off, and gets a nice coat of ...
and its still so cool
frozen olive
he's the goat for a reason
proven cloak
heres a couple other fun spirals I'd be 
at for lore theorizing
Farum Azula Elden Ring + ancient Dragon lightning makes the distinctive shape
vivid spire
Warhawk feels nice
But something about it feels kinda
Dinky
Tiny baby sword
It’s very fast I appreciate that
gray leaf
Doesn't Miquella have that hair color also, though?
vivid spire
Ok I got the slender sword
gray leaf
I am back, and full of thoughts and beans.
vivid spire
I really dunno I just
Sword would be realistic tbh
As a sidearm
But I’m strapped for stones as is
And my Lucerne is just fun
gray leaf
And thinking about how, for all the ostensible rejection of the Hornsent, clearly there's some common aspects at play; Marika has braided hair, and so does Miquella in his flashback, and there's no way anyone would be physically capable of braiding their hair like that themself. Interestingly, ||Divine Miquella's hair is not braided. This might be due to just being reborn, but it also might mean something. He strikes a pose which is almost reminiscent of a double helix, but for his missing arm, also.||
vivid spire
Can’t do a realistic hema build I guess
gray leaf
With dex? You'd probably want a buckler, I think. The light greatsword movements are apparently reasonably decent, and also have build-your-own combos (iirc, most light attacks start from a high guard, most heavy attacks start from a low guard, and as long as you keep in mind which you're in you can freely intermix them. And if you wait a second after an attack, you reposition.)
But all the light greatswords are from the DLC, unfortunately.
gray leaf
I just had an idea. What if the event which separated the Lands of Shadow from the Lands Between was the shattering of the Elden Ring?
And that's why Those Who Live In Death are coming back so much: the pillar which suppresses death, and which was supposed to have been in the very center of the Lands Between (which is what its label says), has been shunted off sideways so now death isn't being suppressed in the same sort of way.
The idea of Messmer being exiled holds less weight if the exile is just to the central section of the continent, however.
I feel like there's some clear reason this is wrong, but I can't think of one.
obtuse halo
There's also the whole element of the sealing tree
which seems like a bit more involved of a thing than something that just sprouted up when the ring broke
not to mention that someone in the basegame would probably talk about it if it happened in the shattering
gray leaf
Fair. I don't have a clear idea of how recent the Shattering was, relatively speaking, but... the demigods were all alive for it.
obtuse halo
yeah it's deliberately pretty vague
proven cloak
all of the Erdtree sigils in the land of shadow use the "Ancient Erdtree" design, instead of the modern one
like the Iris of Grace
gray leaf
Good point.
obtuse halo
My sense of how recent the shattering was could be anywhere from a couple of decades to a couple of centuries
proven cloak
combined with Messmer's Soldiers using stomps and roars (like Godfrey), and the Crucible
makes it seem like they've been seperated since before the big cultural shift
obtuse halo
it could even be some bullshit like 5000 years but only because fantasy authors pull that shit all the time
proven cloak
like the Iris of Grace
or Sunwarmth stone
gray leaf
I was going to say "I don't know if it was possible to get to the Land of Shadow, except for via... whatever Mohg did with Miquella..." but didn't a Crucible Knight cross over?
proven cloak
yeah
Devonia 'departed from the lands of the Erdtree alone'
also the thrusting shields say
An armament once used in ritual combat performed to honor the Erdtree—a custom that had somehow remained within the realm of shadow.
Once wielded by Rellana, the Twin Moon Knight, during her sole entry into ritual combat—a demonstration of fidelity to the Erdtree.
while base game has the Ritual Sword Talisman
The practice had died out by the age of King Consort Radagon, but remains of the arenas where ritual combat took place can still be found in every land.
so some more indication they've been locked away since before Radagon's reign
gray leaf
fair enough!
proven cloak
I think it could've been the case that the veiling happened before Messmer's crusade, and they entered the lands of shadow expecting to be pulled out.... and never were
or maybe they went on the crusade and Marika threw up the veil right after, who can say
proven cloak
fair enough!
I got my early erdtree lore ON LOCK, I am the crucible's STRONGEST warrior
😤
gray leaf
Something else important to note: the only way out of the Land of Shadow is via the Guidance of Grace. There isn't a portal out from where you enter. ||Miquella, who abandons Grace, is hoping to use the Haligtree to make another way back; "may the flash of our deaths guide Miquella's return." But besides that, you need to be able to use Grace to get out.||
||And this makes the Messmer fight even harsher. "Those stripped of the Grace of Gold shall all perish in the embrace of Messmer's flame." And at the start of the second phase, do you know what he does? He strips himself of Grace.||
vivid spire
With dex? You'd probably want a buckler, I think. The light greatsword movemen...
I like the light swords
obtuse halo
||And this makes the Messmer fight even *harsher*. "Those stripped of the Grace...
Yeah I think that was always kind of the implication of phase 2. ||He had no plans of leaving that room alive win or lose||
gray leaf
||"Soon. Tarnished, wilt thou be taken in the jaws... of the abyssal serpent, shorn of light." Emphasis mine, but he doesn't describe the abyssal serpent as being bereft of light. He specifically uses the word "shorn", implying the light was removed. He's becoming the Abyssal Serpent, at least on a symbolic level, or at least as he refers to himself — becoming that which he was told to hate, and to kill. Becoming totally bereft of light, which he was told was intolerable, even though he himself lacked light... only to see his mother's hypocrisy in her sanction of lordship. I think by this point he knew he was exiled, so to see someone similar be honored in this way must have been all the more intolerable.||
gray leaf
Yeah I think that was always kind of the implication of phase 2. ||He had no pla...
Yeah. ||Not just giving into something evil, but the total abandonment of what he viewed as good.|| There's one neat little detail I noticed, though: ||you know how, during the phase transition, his snake becomes giant, and also it's black in the second phase?||
||If you look carefully, you can see the tatters of its old white skin:||
||That's not just mottling or patterning. That's scraps of shed (which I realize is clearer in this image):||
And I just think that's a neat little detail.
trail sail
Something else important to note: the only way out of the Land of Shadow is via ...
||I think this is incorrect, considering a lot of the context around the Haligtree is the inhabitants are desperately trying to get call Miquella back themselves after he was stolen away; his plan for godhood was all-in, you can't really start carving away everything that makes you mortal and come back from that. After achieving godhood, he can very easily make his own way out of the Land of Shadow||
gray leaf
||Can he, though? And I think the Haligtree is just an attempt at a physical return, not any attempt at regaining his old status. And the Haligtree Soldier Ashes makes it sound like they didn't know they were going to explode:
Spirits of common soldiers who carry the sacred light. When weakened, they explode to deliver a last-ditch attack.
This was the bitter revelation discovered by the desperate soldiers who awaited the return of their lord to the rotted Haligtree.||
vivid spire
Goddamn crucible knights
proven cloak
||Can he, though? And I think the Haligtree is just an attempt at a *physical* r...
I assumed ||they explode because they are drinking ruptured tear flasks, said to be formed from crysal tears that are defective, because the Haligtree is rotting without Miquella||
but he might've implanted bombs
gray leaf
Perhaps. I suppose that's possible. And ||while the Haligtree is rotting without Miquella, having the literal human embodiment of plague chilling by its roots probably isn't doing it any favors either.||
lilac condor
I had a theory that ||the Haligtree was a giant bewitching branch. Basically its own win condition before Miquella came up with his plan for godhood||
vivid spire
Oooh
The more theories I hear the more I feel a mix of pity and anger ngl
Radhan fully took people in and treated them as equals, like Freyja, which Messmer also did with Gaius
Miquella promised salvation for the disadvantaged and minorities, but how much of that was true at all?
It seems like the dlc presents like..
Wanting the players to reflect on their common beliefs
proven cloak
I think Miquella was geniune, and did geniunely seek to provide salvation
You find many albinaurics in Ordina, and many misbegotten in the Haligtree
but Miquella didn't want a mostly alright sanctuary from the Shattering - he wanted all things to flourish, graceful or malign
he wanted to embrace the whole of it
he wanted - or he even needed - Godhood, to do that
proven cloak
yeah personally I would never commit wanton sin in the establishment of a new age
|| 
||
Marika ran into the same thing
lilac condor
elden ring has heavy 'one person's utopia is another's dystopia' vibes
proven cloak
she wanted an age of "glistening life", her earliest spells were those of selfless healing
not just a city with a big tree, but the lands between entirely under a rule of Gold
and you can see how that turned out
Your only path to lordship is seeking out, and killing, other contenders
frozen olive
the difference between me and Miquella is simply that he sucks and i don't
though i guess it's him vs. Ranni really
atomic plinth
...I may see about doing a playthrough with this mod
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfoh474--xQ
frozen olive
it looks sort of interesting but from what i saw the bosses are kinda reskins
probably oughta look into it a bit more
frozen olive
i still haven't played it
atomic plinth
Very highly recommend it
It's SO good
I wish Sony would fucking port it to PC already
frozen olive
need to smoke the Orphan of Kos
atomic plinth
Or at least let FromSoft have the IP back
frozen olive
it's on my to do list
atomic plinth
From what I know it's literally just them sitting on the IP and refusing to do anything with it or let anyone else do anything with it
frozen olive
along with the big bad of Sekiro and the SOTE final boss
atomic plinth
Need to retry Sekiro too ngl
frozen olive
already smoked Malenia with just a greatsword and some buffs
so i need to go fight the other hardest bosses
beat all of the hard bosses solo in DS3
on track to beating Sekiro
honestly need to start practicing against the final boss of SOTE
i should have a save i can clone to be able to make a build to deal with it
or just get to it with my original character
atomic plinth
...god I fucking hate those dual wielding fire knights
grave plinth
Fucking longbois
atomic plinth
Side note, is the Golden Vow ash of war worth using?
Or am I better off sticking to the spell?
warped quest
spell is better in every way
warped quest
the art version lasts less and has less powerful effect
i honestly think its ab it overrated the art version
kind garden
It pretty much sucks but if you’re desperate for a buff and don’t have any Faith - actually, just stick to consumables anyways
warped quest
yeah id rate crab above the art version
languid tiger
It pretty much sucks but if you’re desperate for a buff and don’t have any Faith...
there's now the craftable version
with the same name again
that's better than the ash of war as well
frozen olive
so annoyed that my save that i had with my char pre the final boss is gone
kind garden
HMG of Elden Ring
frozen olive
no idea why it's not there but there isn't much i can do about it
warped quest
so annoyed that my save that i had with my char pre the final boss is gone
do you have a save editor that can extract speicifc charcters
because i do have a save right before the final
frozen olive
i do yeah
i can pull a specific char from a save, rename it and just fix shit from there
warped quest
send you a zip of my saves
frozen olive
👍
atomic plinth
Primal Glintstone Blade worth using?
Idk if I'm comfortable having 300 less HP
Like, it takes off a decent chunk of my health bar
warped quest
i think in elden ring specificly itss what ever
due to flasks being a thing
in the slot based casting games it was godteir
atomic plinth
It's mostly because I'm considering swapping entirely to Heal From Afar for my heals
lilac condor
There's a point where the meteorite staff gets outscaled right? I've got 39 int right now and +10 glintstone, astrologer's, and glintblade staves still have lower scaling
atomic plinth
Oh yeah, it falls off HARD when you get anything that has above a +15
lilac condor
oh so I just need more smithing stones
atomic plinth
Aye, just gotta pump up your staves more
Crystal staff is pretty good
Though it requires 48 int, but then again levelling up nine times isn't a huge ask to use a stave
frozen olive
gonna need to grab a few things this character is missing
frail sky
...okay damn this early dlc guide works really well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvIPt-WPB-U
frozen olive
anyone up to help me port an item?
actually
i think i have it upgraded on all of my characters...
frail sky
What item?
frozen olive
Haligtree Crest Greatshield
frail sky
Ah 😔
frozen olive
looks like i'm just gonna have to farm it
fuck
well i grabbed the Flamberge anyway
warped quest
the black iron might be a good replacment if you don't want to farm
frozen olive
i just need 100 phys and holy res
frozen olive
oh ok cool
i can just go grab that i think
going to need to farm a bunch of levels for this character i think
atomic plinth
Would it be a shit idea to ditch crimson flasks and rely solely upon Heal From Afar
Cause I'm really considering it
frozen olive
could give it a shot
warped quest
i feel like with faster enemies it would not work that well unless it has a really fast casting speed
frail sky
It's only marginally slower than using a flask
frozen olive
gonna give it a quick shot and see how the damage is
ok got to half health phase 2
tried quality and it is weak as fuck
atomic plinth
...might lower my strength to 30 and invest the 20 levels into more useful stats...
frozen olive
normal hits are only doing like 800 damage
got like 3k out of the savage lions claw but that's not enough
atomic plinth
Cause I don't really use weapons that scale off strength, I use magic infused or INT scaling shit
frozen olive
the shield does not block all damage which is not as good as Haligtree Crest Greatshield but it's free so
warped quest
i think the diffrence is halig has better magic and fire by a little 2 more guardboost, same lightning, and less holy resist
frozen olive
i think the diffrence is halig has better magic and fire by a little 2 more guar...
this shield with 100 holy has 95 phys
gonna come back to this tomorrow and fix this build so it's actually built properly
atomic plinth
LMFAO
||I GOT SUMMONED FOR THE SECOND DIVINE BEAST||
||AND THE HOST FUCKING FELL OFF A LEDGE AND DIED BEFORE WE EVEN GOT TO THE BOSS||
Holy shit that was funny
Oh, god, poor dude
frozen olive
grab the greatshield, farm runes, etc
frail sky
...okay damn this early dlc guide works *really* well
<https://www.youtube.com/w...
...wait now what do I do
I probably should have thought of a reason to do this before I did it
atomic plinth
Huh, iron greatswords go with this fit surprisingly decently
frail sky
Mmm, good idea, I haven't used the beast claws before
vivid spire
Gonna grab the Kaiden helm
Was thinking of a full infantry cosplay but like
Tabards and stuff are all rusty and filthy
spring marlin
Huh, iron greatswords go with this fit surprisingly decently
banished knight iron greatsword representation
vivid spire
Are there any foot soldier armors that aren’t filthy
spring marlin
i used the chest armor and a cold iron greatsword throughout most of the dlc, something elegant in that sort of simplicity
atomic plinth
Aye, I really dig its design
It's simple, but it's got some embellishment and it looks unique enough for my tastes
frail sky
Mmm, good idea, I haven't used the beast claws before
Oh god
These things really weren’t meant to be used with cragblade huh
atomic plinth
Lmfao that's goofy
spark pine
Rock and stone
proven cloak
my beat the dlc with cragblade thrusting shield
incredibly funny look
dinky little rock on top of a two-handed shield
glossy delta
Cragblade thrusting shield is so good and looks so awful yeah 😭
Its got like greathammer poisebreak but your swinging around a silver plate with two grey cheetoes bolted to it
stoic sleet
vivid spire
What do we think of the estoc guys
proven cloak
predisposed to dislike it from ds3 experience but never tried it in this game
glossy delta
Neat, but my brain compels me to do heavy thrusting swords if I want to do a thrusting sword build
grave plinth
I personally like the Estoc
I started as Prisoner, and i enjoyed its charged R2
Though i eventually specced into strength/int so i could wield my illustrious lunar empress’ favor of betrothal
vivid spire
Hmm
Debating if I use that or like
Lordsworns sword
The nobles sword is just.. gaudy
The thing is I keep having to rebuy stones and it’s getting annoying
warped quest
lordsworn is good
vivid spire
I haven’t found a lot of +3s
Any good cosplay build armor to be a knight of Fia
I know the dlc has the death knight stuff
proven cloak
could probably do something with the gravebird set
(if dlc's included)
looks like other people had the same idea
Depraved Perfumer's Robe looks pretty good from the back for a travelling, kind of grungy vibe
Night Calvary + Night set, both very dark, Vulgar Militia, Mausoleum Soldier, Confessor Armor (altered or base)
thats the stuff I'd go for
vivid spire
I’ll try those thank you
Confessor could be fun given it’s like..the thing Fia hates
But it looks kind of like a different version of her dress
proven cloak
so I just ran across this cryptotheism post
and like sure 100% co-sign etc etc
but the followup
👀
this ones got me thinking
Ashes of War.... Revered spirit ashes?
Could using these weapon techniques be similar to bear communion Divine Invocation / Spirit Summoning?
modest berry
DND 4e
proven cloak
cause the dlc also adds all those smithscript weapons, an ancient divine art
A talisman depicting an ancient smithing hammer. Inscribed with a smithscript. Enhances weapon-throwing attacks. In ancient times, smithing was a divine act, and blacksmiths interpreted the script they perceived in the wrinkles of molten steel to imbue weapons with souls.
which seems to use runes(?) or runic script to give weapons souls
so like
maybe you are calling on the sacred spirit of your Longsword +5 or whatever
modest berry
i mean its an ash of war quite literally , you are calling on the memory of something that some legendary warrior did the same as a spirit summon
proven cloak
yeah thats the vibe I was on just in my playthrough
but given how much other inorganic life exists
idk, it wouldn't be the strangest for the weapons to literally be alive
(kind of, in some vague, undefined way)
lilac condor
so every time you summon your starting wolves you're doing good boy communion?
proven cloak
back when I was "all the gods are Outer Gods" posting I was theorizing there was a storm-god of memory and war cause of them
proven cloak
so every time you summon your starting wolves you're doing good boy communion?
as far as I'm concerned any wolf summoning is good boy communion
frail sky
Mmm, good idea, I haven't used the beast claws before
Okay as it turns out, I really don’t like the beast claws’ r1 combo
So that’s out
I wonder how good the greatsword of solitude is
warped quest
the sword has really high block stats
frail sky
👀
warped quest
atomic plinth
Good lord
warped quest
the actual boost ifor context its guardboost is 2 below the brass shield
languid tiger
it's absurdly competitive, yeah
beats out the next-best weapon (the beastman's cleaver) on stab and physblock
and only loses 3 eles
and ofc it's somber, so it doesn't lose any of that to physical infusions
frail sky
beats out the next-best weapon (the beastman's cleaver) on stab and physblock
I think a few of the colossal swords actually beat out the cleaver too
spring marlin
now there's the real dueling shield
vivid spire
I hate the gargoyles
languid tiger
I think a few of the colossal swords actually beat out the cleaver too
oh really? i'd believe it for guard boost, at least
but i thought the cleaver won out on physblock
over basically everything else
ah, huh
warped quest
yeah but those are cololossal swords
languid tiger
anvil hammer's cracked too
warped quest
solitude is a greatsword
languid tiger
so is the giant-crusher apparently
beastman cleaver beats out most of the other colossal weapons, though, swords included
and solitude ofc cracks even that
frail sky
Cleaver was basically the best for guard counters of the weapons that weren’t absurdly slow
vivid spire
Oh I see
warped quest
luecerne doesnt have a good block
mighty warren
i fucking love the black steel greathammer
languid tiger
black steel slaps
wish there were weapons like the bk and fk stuff for magic and lightning
vivid spire
I have a weird theory about how the lord of night and death are connected
Items like helphen’s steeple are kinda vivid in describing death and souls as being drawn to guiding lights to lead them into the afterlife, and the Erdtree is also described as a guide for souls
The nox attempted to make their own lord by circumventing death and creating mimic tears and the dragonkin soldiers in an attempt to achieve immortality
And both Godwyn and the Unnamed Eternal City are found deep below near roots or water
grave plinth
Black Steel greathammer is very fun, esp to get the guard counter. The guard counter isn’t super powerful but its enjoyable to see it go off
proven cloak
The nox attempted to make their own lord by circumventing death and creating mim...
yeah maybe
vivid spire
Trying to kill a crucible knight for somber smithing stone 6
I hate these fuckers
Got him
This melee run has led me to test a ton of weapons ngl
A lot I’ve never even touched before
Oh my hod
I finally summoned a guy
But he returned to his world instantly
Why!?!
atomic plinth
Carian knight bits go surprisingly well with this fit
Adds a little spellblade touch to it I feel
atomic plinth
...figured out what's been vaguely bothering me about this DLC
None of these bosses really feel weighty
||Like, take Bayle, big fuckin crippled dragon and yet he's hopping around the arena like he's a spry spring chicken, and it's admittedly cool and it doesn't really bother me a ton, but like... why not make him slow and ponderous like his design would suggest?||
atomic plinth
Completely unrelated, but what's the best infusion for a banished knight greatsword?
obtuse halo
Depends on what your stats look like honestly. I don’t thiiiiiink it particularly favors any infusion though?
fleet bronze
IIRC it's best as Heavy, the other infuseable greatsword's getting better scaling with other infusions but I might be wrong
stone cove
Completely unrelated, but what's the best infusion for a banished knight greatsw...
Heavy gets b with a 1.32, quality is right behind at 1.03 dex/str, everything else is a mix of C's and D's, though Cold does surprisingly well with .78, .64, .44
atomic plinth
Right, thanks Zombie
atomic plinth
Well I already got 80 INT and 50 STR/DEX lmao
atomic plinth
Waow, a Community Center Cantina weapon
stone cove
If you like it's moveset, it's shared with the Knights Greatsword, which has better reach
atomic plinth
And better scaling as far as I know
Though I'm mostly powerstancing these mfs
Dunno why
...I know exactly why, it looks cool
stone cove
No, Knights is worse scaling
atomic plinth
Because studies show two swords are cooler than one
stone cove
1.2 heavy vs 1.32 for BKS
Knights is better for dex related scaling, but only just.
It's a reach vs damage situation
I wish I could get a proper indication of how Freya's stacks up vs Other curved greatswords for range
atomic plinth
Tbh that's 90% of the reason I'm using these swords at all instead of something more reasonable
They just go best with my fit
...though the claymore may go just as good
stone cove
I mean fashion souls is perfectly valid
mighty warren
Yeah i'm happy i decided to fuck around with the messmer soldier spear, that unique heavy is so fun
stone cove
I wish i liked spears more, but the lack of sweeps and being able to punch someone in the face with teh butt
stone cove
You know it's interesting that Malenia and St Trina are both very flower associated
vivid spire
Because studies show two swords are cooler than one
What sword?
mighty warren
Those loook like banished knight greatswords
vivid spire
||https://youtu.be/_cWdUIYnlCE?si=SpQh4RAIxSpm7Iag||final boss madness
spring marlin
those are indeed bkgs
mighty warren
No
vivid spire
oh
vivid spire
Guts and honour type post
My fear is preventing me
kind garden
from what
vivid spire
From going back to my dlc save
median rock
very relatable situation
stoic sleet
i'm actually enjoying it a lot despite getting my rear end handed to me
it feels like something i could figure out even though i haven't yet
median rock
the real bullshit is the couple attacks that just fill your screen w vfx
and directly attack your gpu
stoic sleet
i've been summoning the NPC for, like, narrative reasons, but i might try a solo go at it to see how that does
based on my experience with Rellana i feel like Fromsoft might have overtuned the multiplayer boss buffs for NPC summons
median rock
yeah. I would probably recommend no NPC summons lol - and you will get the NPC quest reward even if you don't
(they will be there post-fight)
stoic sleet
we'll just pretend that they were there
frozen olive
Tip for the final boss
If you summon both NPC summons you double the boss healthbar
||Which gets it to almost 100k health total||
proven cloak
it feels like something i *could* figure out even though i haven't yet
it took a while to click for me but I actually like the flow quite a bit
static tulip
went back to an old build for ||promised consort radahn||
made this in celebration of beating him
frozen olive
seems fromsoft did not like me copying someone elses char so i'll just put it into seamless and delete it in the normal version of the game
got a funny 180 ban but i don't really play online anyway so it doesn't matter much
frail sky
Anyone want to help me transfer some items?
frozen olive
i would love to but you know
vestal night
made this in celebration of beating him
Good old jump bonking
static tulip
i had a storm build going on but that just wasn't doing it
the classics are classics for a reason :^)
frail sky
Anyone want to help me transfer some items?
Eh actually never mind
frozen olive
farming the Haligtree Crest Greatshield once more
atomic marsh
made this in celebration of beating him
Squiddar this is the funniest post I've seen about Elden Ring in a while
spring marlin
my true str build... my guiding poise break...
frozen olive
tell me you didn't understand the point without telling me you didn't understand the point
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frozen olive
tell me you didn't understand the point without telling me you didn't understand...
i'm not going to post the vid just to shit on it but man
this actually pissed me off
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this actually pissed me off
theres already emotions in the song
wtf do u mean 'emotional version'
frozen olive
you have to be blind, deaf and stupid to look at the music for Shaman Village and think "we need to add more to this"
the ENTIRE POINT of the music
vivid spire
Wretched
frozen olive
is that it's barely there
this is a desolate place
all its people are dead
all that remains is a sad promise of a soon to be god
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the only elden ring like. remix or rearrangement I enjoyed that adds more to the original song was uhhhhh
some guy expanded that shit the frenzied wretches play in the frenzied flame proscription
frozen olive
adding more to the music immediately means you have missed the point
because the whole entire point of the music for Shaman Village is that it's incredibly fucking subdued and barely there
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some guy expanded that shit the frenzied wretches play in the frenzied flame pro...
I liked the whole 'what was this song meant to sound like' angle of this one
like the idea that the frenzied merchant husks are just playing the notes they can remember
frozen olive
Shaman Village is effectively a ceremonial grave Marika left in honor of her people
everyone who once lived there is dead
the healing tree in the middle has nobody to actually help
all that's left is Marikas promise, faintly lingering
frozen olive
i don't mean to like, shit on artists making their own interpretations of things but this was kinda just like
bruh
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shaman village music should be left alone
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or if you really wanna put your own spin on it
do like
idk
a fuckin plin plin plon mix
frozen olive
from what i heard it's basically the normal theme with a bunch more musical shit added on
which both does not actually make it sound better and also is entirely missing the point of the piece imo
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which both does not actually make it sound better and also is entirely missing t...
how would you have felt about a remix if it were just, like. piano instead of harp
but not like. a bunch of pointless layers
sad piano instead of sad harp
frozen olive
how would you have felt about a remix if it were just, like. piano instead of ha...
i would be fine with that
what this person did was basically an [EPIC VERSION] or [MOVIE VERSION] thing
which is fine for like
battle themes
boss themes
things of that nature
but like
this is a barely there song that plays in the home of a genocided people, due to the lingering promise of the last of their kind
understated is the fucking go-to here
stoic sleet
honestly i don't think i've ever heard an [EPIC VERSION] that i liked better than the original song
frail sky
Consider: shaman village theme (emotional version) but the only change is Marika sobbing occasionally
frozen olive
that
i could also vibe with
faint crying would fit well
but just like, making essentially an epic version of the theme that plays when you find the empty village of a genocided people where the vengeful god of your world left her last bit of kindness
just ain't it
one of the reasons that i don't usually like covers
is because a lot of music, especially lyrical stuff
are very precise
a lot of pronounciation of lyrics and emphasis and such is put into it that can often be lost when doing covers
this is basically that but for a non-lyrical song imo
just throws all of the nuance out of the window
like the first bit after i entered the village, i didn't really realize that the music even had changed cause it's so subtle
atomic plinth
heeheehoohoohoo
proven cloak
visions of grass
proven cloak
all that remains is a sad promise of a soon to be god
people say it felt empty but ngl this hit me after beating PCR too
it was all light and noise and holiness
and then just… nothing
frozen olive
people say it felt empty but ngl this hit me after beating PCR too
yeah
especially with ||the cutscene that plays after||
frozen olive
should probably be fine
vivid spire
Alrighty thank you!
covert schooner
Funny enough I think despite people’s insane complaining this made the fight a lot worse
glossy delta
Yeah once you like
Learn The Fight
All those big overheads are just 'circle around his back without dodging and enjoy 2 full charge heavies'
vestal night
I'd prefer it this way personally I think
I am one of those people that really dislike the longass delay on his overhead
obtuse halo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDwoEQGEQmQ obligatory
real shadow
Funny enough I think despite people’s insane complaining this made the fight a l...
Margit's delays are an important part of learning because a lot of bosses do stuff like this and the game is telling you to expect this going forward.
atomic plinth
FUCK I love Giantsflame Take Thee
Rollcaught a dude with it, I guess he wasn't expecting me to set off a mini nuke in his face
I just wish it had a longer arc
...oh god this is going to suck
warped quest
what boss is that
vivid spire
Sunflower
warped quest
yeah looking at their equipment that looks like a bad idea
frozen olive
just going to have to fucking skill the final boss if i want to do it solo
vivid spire
obtuse halo
Fia's Champions can be a little luck-based
mostly round 3
it's possible to get some really nasty combinations of enemies
for similar reasons to the great-jar duelists sucking, though at least the champions have less health than those
vivid spire
There’s something really like
Touching about the fact that two of the most open and heartfelt displays of affection in Elden Ring are done in the grimiest of places
obtuse halo
Lionel also isn't a slouch tbh
vivid spire
Ranni in that bloody tree slump and Fia in this corpse muck
obtuse halo
hits reasonably hard, is pretty tough, and his death spells can keep you on your toes if you're not pressuring him
vivid spire
Maybe I’m overthinking it ngl
But there’s gotta be a reason the two generally most
Transformative endings where you break the cycle of Elden Ring
Are down in the earth and rather filthy location wise
warped quest
your overthinking
obtuse halo
sixty million?!
proven cloak
https://youtu.be/YYfLnttxurs?si=r_fbRWe34VJ7ZhxD
I am a delayed attacks are good game design truther
I like how it promotes patience and timing over reaction alone
obtuse halo
oop
vivid spire
I’m so pissed
proven cloak
ouch
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Ranni in that bloody tree slump and Fia in this corpse muck
dont forget the touching intimacy you can have with Dung Eater :)
vivid spire
~~dont forget the touching intimacy you can have with Dung Eater :)~~
NOT HIM
proven cloak
wym you gotta get so
Uh
Personal
and youre right there in the muck
And you end the cycle of persecution by the golden order! #win
frozen olive
SIXTY MILLION RJNES LOST
60 million!?
vivid spire
🫠I ACCIDENTALLY DID A SHIELD BASH OFF A CLIFF
frozen olive
how long did you farm to get 60 million runes
real shadow
why did you not cash them in earlier
frozen olive
also i am going to need a lot of practice with the SOTE final boss
i can get to phase 2 pretty consistently but godsdamn does phase 2 hit fucking hard
frozen olive
might need to pull in a spell or two to put DOT's on
warped quest
you have enough time to cast it during the boss's nuke
frozen olive
makes sense
it's going to be pure skill and then i'm going to win with a "gimme gimme gimme"
warped quest
usally what i tried was crab and holy vow in phase 1 then did holy fort plus physic for phase 2
save the stronger effects for phase 2
frozen olive
i just pop golden vow and divine lords fortification and my physick and just send it ngl
probably smart to save physick for phase 2
warped quest
its more im worried about the physic running out yeah during phase 2
frozen olive
i can very consistently get to half health phase 2
it's the challenge of uh
getting anything done in phase 2
warped quest
yeah i honestly just don't think its a good phase
i don't want to fight a strobelight
obtuse halo
yeah I have the same problem with it
phase 1 is extremely fun and mostly fair (albeit difficult), phase 2 I just find distressing
frozen olive
you also get punished in phase 2 for trying to follow up on certain attacks from phase 1 which is funny
warped quest
yeah thats also really stupid
frozen olive
i think for me it was ||he did the meteors then immediately afterwards comboed into the flying clone attack||
warped quest
there was a combo that oneshot me i really hated
||upswing> downswing(can't dodge because in air)>starcaller cry(cant dodge because in get up animation)> starcaller cry spike=100-0 in one combo||
frozen olive
yeah that's nasty as hell
i've never been caught by it i don't think
the ||spikes used to always fuck me up but i have actually learned to dodge it which is fun||
frozen olive
||i just like, run backwards a bit and dodge roll 3 times to get out of radius||
warped quest
||its more of it looks visually liek dodging inward shold work but it doesnt even the inner bit is active until the entire attack is done||
frozen olive
||its more of it looks visually liek dodging inward shold work but it doesnt eve...
||yeaaaaah that part is fucking annoying, it really does look like inwards should work||
warped quest
theres a lot of hitbox goofery on the boss
proven cloak
||i just like, run backwards a bit and dodge roll 3 times to get out of radius||
||running and jumping to ride the curve also works||
frozen olive
for the ||meteors you can also run sideways and jump right before they hit you to dodge it||
learned that one from Ongbal
need to rewatch Ongbals SL1 no blessing no-hit run
check the timings and windows for attack
going to feel really good about myself if i manage to actually beat this solo which is currently my motivation
plus one of my friends did it, admittedly without running like, bleed, but still
frozen olive
going to go back to Sekiro to have an easier time fighting a boss
except, well, only the Demon of Hatred awaits me there
atomic plinth
Ugh
Got invaded by some shithead with a racist name
Almost had him but the host played dumb and got killed
frozen olive
pain
atomic plinth
Was SUPPOSED to be a fight club, but we both immediately abandoned any pretense of that lmao
frozen olive
fair enough
frozen olive
i'm going to do a no summon run at some point of SOTE and the only exception i'm going to make is Igon