it was already pretty good no?
#Elden Ring (DLC hype room)
stone cove
Both "Bear" skills got buffed this time around
frozen olive
lemme clip it
stone cove
adn Roar of Rugela was in the "This is werid and hard to say how good it is"
iirc it was good if you went out of your way to stack buffs for it
and even then it was a lot of effort
median rock
me when bear communion
frozen olive
here
clipped the part where he mentions that the initial roar only affects one enemy
stone cove
Apperntly Rot butterflies now rots a trol leven on the upowards flight part
before the butterlfeis start landing
median rock
that's pretty decent rot buildup then
frozen olive
the rest of the incantation hits but at least at the time of that vids release the first bit only hits one enemy
median rock
shame the skill version still doesnt lol
freyja yeah damn that'll definitely get fixed
frozen olive
it is kind of fucked
median rock
when I tried I remember being knocked out by big stuff which makes more sense now
like the sewer omen gang
frozen olive
yeah
i feel like KLS almost got more powerful
probably not actually cause it doesn't seem to bementioned in the notes
but damn it's a fucked up good spell
3 casts to kill a fire knight
and the third cast poise breaks
stone cove
...
Okay Roar is scary now
So the way it changed is that it does a big bang of damage imemdiately
all the ticks of damage it used to do
and then a second big bang at the end
frozen olive
daaamn
stone cove
at 60 faith, godslayer seal i'm doing 2.5k to bloodfiends
and actually causing them topoise break from it
...Yeah, that's really good as a melee incant now
It's got much better posie too
mighty warren
Oh wait right forgot two more weapons i wanted to use i would have to switch to dex for, guardian swordspear and pest glaive
frozen olive
Witness the fuckshit that is KLS
stone cove
Yeah holy shit Roar is very very nasty now
frozen olive
Land of Shadow does decent damage
stone cove
AAnd it's so fucking cheap
frozen olive
not good enough to use when i have KLS tho
mighty warren
Oh fuck right land of shadows got a tracking buff, i liked that spell, should check how that tracks now
stone cove
lol, the second hit knocks fire kngiths on their asses now
they literally get yeeted by being yelled at
also fucking hell this just smashes apart a group getting in your face
mighty warren
Oh fuck right land of shadows got a tracking buff, i liked that spell, should ch...
Mmm, lovely
stone cove
...
Okay, you know how the Dynasty masolem mid poityn fight is a bit of a shit?
All thsoe Red alburniacs and the Sanguine noble?
frozen olive
ye
frozen olive
cannot fucking believe Messmers spear r2 takes that much stamina to cast tho
shits obscene
mighty warren
Yeah i think im gonna stick with strength being my main stat, more apt to who i am as a person too
Messmer soldier spear my beloved
stone cove
Seems reasoinble
mighty warren
ATC:W damage feeling real nice
1.5k was the number i was hitting in base game, 3k in dlc
stone cove
Guardian Sword Spear hits liek a trukc in dex builds, and it's got really fast R1s
mighty warren
Aye, which is nice but iunno
i just like my strength options more
mighty warren
not to mention pretty sure even with the late additions im still more strength leaning in liked weapons
cause i forgot a strength weapon too that i just havent been using due to the arcane req
stone cove
I realyl enjoy dex builds, but they are differnet to strength builds
mighty warren
frozen olive
big rock
mighty warren
hunk of material disguised as a weapon my beloved
only need 4 more arcane for it too, so not far off from being able to use it
mighty warren
Fuck it
i want my shiny rock
frozen olive
More levels
mighty warren
One day ill have my strength at 70 and keep it there, but not today
atomic plinth
...oh dear god they didn't fix the Greatsword of Damnation's skill
Oh god, is it just supposed to be like that
stone cove
It's possible that it's more complicated fix
proven cloak
there'll probably be a second patch later
atomic plinth
Oh shit they buffed the Beastman ashes though
Hopefully they got a decently sizable HP buff
They're MEAN when you fully upgrade em but they're really squishy
stone cove
there'll probably be a second patch later
We're still on 1.13 so yeah
i expect this iks nowhere near done on patching
proven cloak
surprised Divine Bird Feathers didn't get anything
or is that spell actually busted and I'm just using it wrong?
frozen olive
No
real shadow
Nah that spell sucks lmao
frozen olive
It's just shit
vivid spire
frozen olive
i wonder if this is going to help the Swift Spear or hurt it
raw coral
Beat the DLC last night!!
raw coral
It was great 😎
||Ansbach… Thiollier… 😭||
||Righteous Tarnished. Become our new lord. A lord not for gods, but for men.||
Also gotta say, the music in the DLC is a big step up from the base game imo
a lot more bangers per square inch
mighty warren
The || scadu avatar|| track is
still genuinely one of my favorites for some reason despite its simplicity
raw coral
It’s all so good
frozen olive
the music in SOTE is insane
raw coral
Shoutout to whoever made ||Bayle’s|| music sync with the second phase attack
mighty warren
Oh wait shit i think i know why that track is my favorite
It has so much gameplay connection? if that makes any sense
like dynamic music isnt too new, its something a lot of games do, but || scadu avatar's|| feels like it does so much so right with the fading in and out and || how the final third one seems to have a much more exhausted feeling to the music ||
mighty warren
Aye
steel scroll
Same composers made some bangers for earlier fromsoft games but the dlc is unique in how many memorable tracks it has
steel scroll
The fact that the final confrontation with dragon satan is an inconsequential side thing in the story is hilarious by the way
raw coral
like you’re truly facing down the vilest beast of them all
mighty warren
I enjoy how off to the side it is cause its just
straight up its own story arc
YOU are choosing this route, YOU are choosing to hunt down || bayle||
raw coral
Yeah!!
mighty warren
Igon also helps it A TON
|| going basically moby dick with a dragon was such a good play ||
raw coral
The fact they’re so out of the way makes it feel like your playing into the same obsession that claimed ||Igon||
steel scroll
I really hope the next fromsoft game is as character-driven as the dlc was. And that ||the final boss says something to you when they lose lmao imagine||
frozen olive
the Dread is prolly my second favourite part of the DLC
proven cloak
Also gotta say, the music in the DLC is a big step up from the base game imo
its so fucking good
I'm obsessed with ||Metyr and Promised Consort's|| themes
frozen olive
my favourite part of the DLC has to be ||The Shaman Village||
raw coral
Yeah
proven cloak
I really hope the next fromsoft game is as character-driven as the dlc was. And ...
its kind of controversial, but imo ||the cutscene line "I'll make the world a gentler place"|| hits hard
||its a pretty banger line to end the dlc on, given what you see of Marika in it||
its just so sad
raw coral
my favourite part of the DLC has to be ||The Shaman Village||
||the fact the whole area is accompanied by just the somber strings of the main theme||
||Only the kindness of gold, without Order.||
frozen olive
||the fact the whole area is accompanied by just the somber strings of the main ...
||That shit fucked me up, i had to just sit for a bit after reading the item descriptions||
frozen olive
||*Only the kindness of gold, without Order.*||
i was going to post that
||What was her prayer? Her wish, her confession? There is no one left to answer, and Marika never returned home again.||
raw coral
Standing where it all began
frozen olive
but yeah that and ||BAYLE THE DREAD||
fucking peak
this DLC is so fucking good
you've done it again, Fromsoft
proven cloak
it actually does clarify the main themes of the game really well
raw coral
an eye for an eye for an eye…
proven cloak
and answered the biggest questions I had for actually understanding the story (wtf was Marika on + How different is Radagon?)
frozen olive
no summon mfers when Igon exists
proven cloak
^ literally true + me
stone cove
...
snickering
Testing out roar of rugela in invaisons
I roared a furled finger off a cliff
raw coral
Since they fixed furious blade not causing bleed, I’m gonna respec for the rest of the game
stone cove
then i kileld another red and the host at the same time by roaring at them
this is Very Silly
frozen olive
can you imagine not summoning Igon
raw coral
Since they fixed furious blade not causing bleed, I’m gonna respec for the rest ...
in honor of ||Ansbach|| 
mighty warren
|| Ansbach and moore are my favorites from this dlc||
raw coral
|| Ansbach and moore are my favorites from this dlc||
||even though it only made Leda harder and I knew it, I couldn’t bring myself to tell him to remain sad forever 😭||
mighty warren
|| moore showing up in the fight was still genuinely the most saddening thing to me cause i was fully blind, i didn't really not telling him to be sad forever was gonna make me fight my son||
frozen olive
|| moore showing up in the fight was still genuinely the most saddening thing to...
||i almost cried||
||that "Sad, forever..." almost killed me||
mighty warren
|| When i finally realized i HAD to kill him with Leda gone i had the most 'MY BABY BOYYYY' moment||
mighty warren
|| the worst part is i bet you ten to nothing that it really wasn't even moore feeling like he had to be in the fight, he was just sticking with 'family' that likely didn't even see him as such||
frozen olive
|| the worst part is i bet you ten to nothing that it really wasn't even moore f...
||you're right but you shouldn't say it because it hurts my feelings even more||
mighty warren
||you're right but you shouldn't say it because it hurts my feelings even more||
|| i need a mod right now that lets me adopt my boy||
steel scroll
||✋
🤚 hey he threw a rot pot at me all bets are off||
mighty warren
|| Also freyja have you seen his dialouge if he makes it to post dlc?||
stone cove
Spoil me @mighty warren
frozen olive
|| Also freyja have you seen his dialouge if he makes it to post dlc?||
||i don't think so?||
mighty warren
|| " My brood is no more. No one comes to visit. Not Lady Leda. Not Father Dane. Not Sir Ansbach. Not Freyja. Not Thiollier. Not the hornsent. Where have they all gone?
Thank you. No one comes to visit. Except you."||
frozen olive
frozen olive
|| " My brood is no more. No one comes to visit. Not Lady Leda. Not Father Dane....
||i'm actually crying now, thank you||
mighty warren
|| On one hand he lives, on the other hand it's just you and him||
covert schooner
stone cove
Anyway, i'm not sure that Roar of Ruggy is acutally good as an invasion tehcnique
but it sure is funny
kind garden
it's kinda ass in fact
stone cove
Yes, but consider
you get to scream people to death
and sometimes they go flying off cliffs.
frozen olive
it's better damage wise with the patch at least
covert schooner
man that shot of messmer in front of the tower with a fuckload of impaled bodies and an inferno is so striking
stone cove
And the accidnetal kills becuase no one understands the aoe
is always hilarious
I literally murdered a host and a fellow red at teh same time by LOUD SCREAMING
...I felt a bit bad for the red, but it was V funny
and accdinetally kileld a host because he ran in to get me
old brook
Wonder how the other buffs hold up
stone cove
old brook
No amount of change will make me equip Big Yell
mighty warren
rain of fire does good damage for what it is now
stone cove
In PvE though ,it's genuinely got a good role as a cheap/aggressive aoe attack
it can even knock knight enemieso n their arse
which is very funny
and any low poise enemy (Alburinacs etc) just get chain flinched for the entire roar
it also does really good poise damage now
Like a couple of roars will stance break a knight
old brook
But it. Unexciting.
stone cove
How is "Giant bear head screaming at people" unexciting to you?!
old brook
It's just yelling
stone cove
where do you live that "Ah, a giant bear head screaming "is just another day for you
stone cove
tbh, i vastly prefer this over the dragon roars
Anyway as a "joke" incant riffing on them it works very well and it has a niche
old brook
Every damn enemy can yell to death the damn Soldiers do it now
stone cove
tbh i'll awlays favor reliable over exciting
old brook
Nail Buff might be quite strong for that
And hopefully won't miss if the enemy sidesteps lightly
and by God, Glintstone Trio might so more damage than the regular, cheaper version
stone cove
Early word is that Euphoia buffs are good
stone cove
I havent actually tried it but yeah, it launchign alone will make it somethign i rpobably want to run
kind garden
n a i l
stone cove
...fucking lol
stone cove
Okay, final boss spoilers
kind garden
LET'S GOOOOOOOO
old brook
I cannot believe they're not like 80% holy resistant
stone cove
So, unoirioncally, Holy is the best elemental damage to use against hte final boss
their resits are 40 to all physical, excpet pierce (20), andvs elemental it's also 40... except in phase one, they have 0 holy resist.
old brook
that's some damage
stone cove
So objectively, Holy does more damage on average
covert schooner
I like to think it's because the golden order REALLY hates whats happening there
like thats some real blasphemous shit just by a different aesthetic
also
universal spirit ash buffs????
stone cove
The final boss resists in general, are very ufnny weird, and it's nice that Pierce just stays winning across the dlc
Ye, that's nice to see onteh ashes. ORnis was already rather cracked, and he's real good now
old brook
Universal and a few specifics
frozen olive
universal spirit ash buffs????
They gave Dung Eater more HP
covert schooner
oh my god lhutel gets higher resistances
she didn't need it
she needed it the least
old brook
Wonder if Rotten Butterflies worthwhile now
stone cove
and More damage
stone cove
Wonder if Rotten Butterflies worthwhile now
Early reports are it can rot a troll on the flight upwaRDS
Before you even start throwing butterlfies
frozen olive
They buffed the damn Glintstone nail incants which i don't think wasparticularly needed
mighty warren
So lotta rot atleast
covert schooner
oh my god florrisax actually uses her incants now
old brook
The nails didn't need more damage maybe but they sure could miss easily for what they are
mighty warren
Yeah i'm excited to see that in motion
covert schooner
as compared to launch where she kinda just sucked her thumb
she was really bad imo
old brook
If that Knight Captain fellow actually blocks now he might be great
But for me just kind of had a shield for aesthetic reasons
old brook
Dualblade version lasted longer just cause he moves around
covert schooner
confirmed that was a bug
old brook
noo, reasons to fight ||The Final Boss||
stone cove
As someone hwo actually enjoys ashes, i'm happy to see them getting love
covert schooner
same
mighty warren
I don't think taylew got touched but
admittedly he doesn't need to be
old brook
Rings of Light buff also nice, hadn't seen it trigger frostbite once
stone cove
I don't think taylew got touched but
admittedly he doesn't need to be
A lot of the dlc summons are actually prettyy decent, or at least he big name ones
Taylew obvs, Ornis was alrady good, Messmer Solider Ashes are just low key terrifiyng
mighty warren
Taylew just
Does what he wants to
old brook
Nothing for Microcosm though.. understandable I guess
stone cove
MSA have become my goto Bozo squad
old brook
Wanted more cast range
stone cove
cheap to summon and effective
old brook
That's how I felt about the actual soldiers that makes sense
They gotta 1v1 every other sort even with stat balancing
frozen olive
Dung Eater also got a health upgrade that he probably didn't need
proven cloak
||https://old.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/1efubb5/newly_buffed_euporia_is_go...
absolutely insane damage
covert schooner
ive never seen him stagger other than fully falling over
and he already has the highest resist in the game
proven cloak
I was hitting with charged heavies for like 1.8 💀
proven cloak
right?!?
frozen olive
that's some absolute fuckshit
actually fucking busted as hell
that's genuinely OP
covert schooner
maybe overcorrected a mite
frozen olive
just a smidgeon
covert schooner
but iirc thats also with a bunch of buffs and talismans geared towards squeezing damage from a stone
frozen olive
doesn't look like that much
this isn't much of an ask for that kind of damage
a geared talisman setup, one single buff and some boosts from physick is not a big ask for that kind of damage
covert schooner
fair enough
frozen olive
it's not one-shot the boss kinds of damage but it is outrageously strong
real shadow
It's still "beat the boss in a minute" which is, y'know. Pretty fucking impressive.
frozen olive
yeah
i was doing like
2k damage a hit, maybe 2.5k at best with my build
which felt like absolute peanuts
covert schooner
just glad it got a buff for how cool the mechanic is
and how rare dex faith weapons are
stoic sleet
Changed the NPC summon signs in certain boss fights to allow the user to summon NPCs simply by pressing the action button once.
OKAY THANK YOU this was such a nightmare summoning Igon for Bayle
And the NPCs for Messmer's fight tbh
warped quest
yeah
real shadow
limpid peak
so glad about the changes to summoning Torrent, and in-arena summons
covert schooner
How was torrent changed?
kind garden
when resummoning Torrent after he dies, your cursor defaults to 'yes' instead of 'no'
old brook
I still feel like it should just happen but that's a vast improvement
limpid peak
there's stuff that isn't in the patch, but no idea about new questlines
some weapon/spell changes weren't listed, but I can't remember the specifics
steel scroll
spring marlin
thou'rt... TARNISHED, it seemeth
mighty warren
I hate that i wasnt the only one who thought of the fuckin eyebrow
frail sky
Ooh, the new patch looks good 👀
I wonder how much the total damage of knight’s lightning spear was changed
Yesss, light greatsword poise damage buffs 😌
limpid peak
I actually stopped a light greatsword run midway because of the low poise damage
happy to go back to that
mighty warren
I wonder how much the total damage of knight’s lightning spear was changed
It's pvp only apparently
frail sky
Huh, weird
stoic sleet
Yeah, people have been complaining about the lack of poise damage on LGS
And by people I mean Chase
But I generally assume he knows what he's talking about
languid tiger
beaten out hard by discus of light
languid tiger
hard to be more efficient than 3 fp
obtuse halo
and requires int/faith investment instead of just int
frozen olive
beaten out hard by discus of light
ok well aside from discus of light
it's the best for sorcery i'm pretty sure though
languid tiger
probably
it was already super efficient
only downside is its inability to chaincast
which is pretty hefty
warped quest
did they basicly add dark hail to the game
in the dlc
or was there something like it in the base game
languid tiger
no
warped quest
glintstone nails reminds me of darkhail a lot
languid tiger
oh wait, I was thinking of dark bead
not hail
I do not remember how exactly dark hail played
I'll take your word for it if nails feels like it
warped quest
dark hail is bead but isnt effected by gravity and is basicly a shotgun
people usally just cast it at point blank to get all the damage right away
languid tiger
dark bead is also a shotgun
warped quest
yeah just looking at grlintstone nails just reminded me of that spell a lot
languid tiger
fair
vivid spire
Ok so I learned something starting a new run as Warrior
My hands need to adapt to controller again
And
Scimitar.. is not very fun ngl?
It feels like I’m swinging through soup
stone cove
Shashmir too
mighty warren
Fun fire option for anything that's not fire resistant and on the big side
real shadow
Which is a shockingly large amount of things.
gray leaf
...why did they buff the Claws of Night? Weren't those really strong, or at least really annoying, in pvp?
spring marlin
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/s/UL8cVWXWai
founding rain of stars bros... its over...
languid tiger
rain's been nerfed like five times
i think it was already over
it uh
did not hold up as well as i thought it had
vivid spire
spring marlin
rain's been nerfed like five times
okay fair
median rock
anybody around to help me drop some items to myself? trying to do an owl cosplay run but i don't feel like farming another kaiden armor, plus id like to drop myself a copy of alex's shard so i don't have to burn the erdtree yet and look at an ugly sky :(
real shadow
median rock
how'd you do that? give back fingerslayer blade?
atomic plinth
Whatever, next NG cycle I guess
atomic plinth
how'd you do that? give back fingerslayer blade?
Eyup
Kinda silly that that kills Seluvis, given the Fingerslayer comes in earlier than Leyndell normally
atomic plinth
...man
Giantsflame Take Thee is fun
It's like Cannon of Haima if it didn't take three business days to charge up
And had shittier range, that does seem to be an issue
left willow
This is sooooo deserved, tbh
real shadow
And had shittier range, that does seem to be an issue
I found that, practically speaking, if I was in range for Giantsflame I was in range for Flame Fall Upon Them and the latter was usually a better option to shotgun blast enemies in the face.
atomic plinth
Perhaps, but Giantsflame go KABOOM
Whereas Flame Fall Upon Them has less of a boom
modest berry
This is sooooo deserved, tbh
i know but i like being evillllllll
but also like i wish we got like more indepth stats cuz i was testing,still havent been stunned out
but hand2hand now has some poisebreak stuff so its aight
old brook
Giant'sflame also does very well free-aimed
real shadow
Whereas Flame Fall Upon Them has less of a boom
The difference between rocket launcher and super shotgun, really.
old brook
Lockon likes to send it into the ground
modest berry
people are afk farming again apparently
i found some today in the abyssal woods i love hunting them, iits like a minigame
they were on a rock way down a cliff i had to drop a sprite stone on them lol
obtuse halo
Huh, without torrent it’s hard to imagine afk farmers having an easy time setting up the experience
raw coral
Furious Blade of Ansbach seems pretty good now that it’s not bugged
on top of being cool as hell
modest berry
im wondering what the stats on the poise increases on the spirits are, pretty much everyone got something, like, they increased damage on messmer soldiers lol, ill have to play aroudn with it in my new spirit using run
obtuse halo
oh shit, Messmer Soldiers were already pretty solid
an actual damage buff on them is a nice add
stone cove
Wait
tehy buffed thsoe guys?!
what the hell
the bozo squad was increidble already
modest berry
they buffed everyone!
stone cove
https://www.twitch.tv/thezombiepenguin More elden ring time
stone cove
they buffed everyone!
I saw but i thoguht bozo squad got left out of the buffs!
modest berry
poise increase for every non mimic ash but specific spirits got extra bennies
atomic plinth
...oh, god
Using a medium shield parry after dagger parrying for so long feels so nice
real shadow
What the heck is afk farming in ER?
modest berry
basically you get to a spot nobody can reach on foot with torrent, like a high collumn or like across a bridge, and hide yourself, then summon and leave and the person you summon cant find you or get to you since they dont have torrent and they just leave or die or they fight hunters and you get passive runes
idk why people do it when you can just shoot a bird, theres definitely less of it now, especially with the dlc runes you get, but it is an interesting phenomenon
obtuse halo
it's mostly just a way to grief invaders I think
since, yeah it's pretty inefficient at actually gathering runes compared to any actual method
atomic plinth
Finally found some armor that fits decent with the Winged Serpent Helmet
spring marlin
banished knight drip, hell yeah
atomic plinth
Niiiiiiiiiiice
modest berry
what are you using
atomic plinth
...huh, these sword monuments look like the Stone-Sheathed Sword
How odd
...unrelated, but the patch just turned the Horned Warrior into a goddamn monster
Holy shit this dude is tanky
It's like I have a pocket Gundyr that forgot his halberd at home and picked up a curved greatsword on the way here
stone cove
Divine Warrior Ornis is a real menace too
atomic plinth
...I think the update broke some mobs' AIs
stone cove
Oh no
median rock
damn. mohg got hands when you have 20 vigor and are at lvl 45
stone cove
twitch
halcyon cobalt
Please tell me you atleast have the pink medicine drank
left willow
*twitch*
Hey zombie, I have a level 9 character I wanna get into the DLC, can you help? 
median rock
damn. mohg got hands when you have 20 vigor and are at lvl 45
took a nap, spent the runes i picked up on the mohg rune (11 levels total lol, to lvl 56) and clutched the fuck up in like 5 attempts
and yes, i had the funny drink - for my owl cosplay run i rushed nagakiba from yura's quest, and my next stop is the great katana in dlc, so i knew i was gonna need to fuck up mohg asap
stone cove
Hey zombie, I have a level 9 character I wanna get into the DLC, can you help? <...
Depends, how good can you d odge? OH WAIT
😛
median rock
in total my setup was dex talisman + soreseal + filigreed crest and i just did a lot of unsheathe and a lot of juking. shockingly, it turns out, that raptor of the mists does NOT work well on mohg
crazy. who'd have thought
stone cove
Unsheathe fucking him makes sense though
median rock
it really doesn't do as well as you'd hope unfortunately. first phase stancebreaks in 4 unsheathes but second takes like 7-8 counting his poise resets? somewhere in there, idk. his swings do hit low so you can't just crouch under :(
first phase im ok but second phase is also oneshot if i triggered bleed recently :(
really fun fight though
stone cove
Thisi s where fan knives is a big h elp, keep his poise from restitng, i'm pretty sure his poise doenst acutally change between pahses? but i would have to check
median rock
yeah, i used kukri, but you really have so little stamina w a total of 20 endurance :(
so any amount that might cause u to be unable to roll 2x in a row fucks you
but yeah, my first playthrough i hated mohg and eventually comet azur'd him (i was a mage). on all other playthroughs, lots of fun
really enjoyable cinematic fight, except when he bugs out and throws blood at his feet 10 times in a row and i just sit there waiting
obtuse halo
I find phase 2 really hard with melee but I might just be bad
obtuse halo
Mogh with a bow: baby funtimes, barely a fight
Mogh with a sword: oh god why can't i stand anywhere
median rock
but yeah it also helps if you stand REALLY close at all times
since then he won't spam too many throw attacks
atomic plinth
Mohg as a spellcaster: heehee funi bloo rock go brrrrrrrrrrrrrt
stone cove
Like they'rea great weapon but
stone cove
Fan has a huge shot gun of range, you just need a tiny blip of damage to stop poise from resetting
atomic plinth
Spamming Comets at one's problems always works
stone cove
It's why it's popular in pvp, because it's very good at popping bubbles or similar annoyances
median rock
hey either of u on right now for me to drop a second great katana + kaiden armor to myself
stone cove
and coems out incredibly fast
median rock
my goal is like, 2 great katanas so i can throw lions claw (maybe new version) and raptor on both so i can switch between and feel cool
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K, i'll goto limgrave and be at THe First STep
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nice, thanks!
dropping 3 items i think - great katana, kaiden, and probably alex shard
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You did!
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man idk wtf that guy even had on for vigor but probably 80 or 99
no defensive talismans lol
oh shit i have no duelist finger
give me 60 seconds to horse over to it
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Yeah, i wasnt actually specced for bear roaring either
There's a lot of dmaage multis you can stack on to it, it's pretty silly
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kinda goated spell tho
ok duelist sign down
but yeah damn that spell seems pretty sick
boosted by roar medallion i assume?
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Roar Medallion, Rugella's Pelt, Godfrey Icon, Highland axe, Incant talismans
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Highland axe buffs any roar
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thats crazy
i should do a red bear run after this one
<--- has said that too many times
with too many different items
thanks!
now to assemble the rest of this stupid build....
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Aww, i wanted to see how much the wing stance did to you lol
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Roar is werid though, like it's damge is real good but you kinda need to have bullgoat's talisman on to not get knocked out of it easily
and probably want heavy armor because y ou're likely to trade
but if you get it off it does start maiming things as you see - that was with zero of the stacking buffs to make it good there
no godfrey, no nothign
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damn that's pretty wild
i wonder if it'll get re-nerfed, because the counterplay of "keep range" seems pretty strong but also i don't think its roll-out-of-able?
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I'm not sure
Tbh it poise breaks pretty easily
the scary part is the aoe, but you have noguh time to respond
so
Hahaha, wild. Going from 80 dex to 99 dex adds... 18 AR to milady >.>
and only 21 ar for Backhand blades
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im almost surprised its that much lol
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Depends, how good can you d odge? OH WAIT
This was a deeply personal (and correct) attack
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This was a deeply personal (and correct) attack
I craft my insults with rpide and exacting knowledge of my friends 😛
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Forgot how fun just swinging a massive fucking slab of metal around is
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Ironically i've flipped
i've tried my strength focused spear and i can't go back to that kind of metal slab
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mighty warren
I wanna get invaded by that guy so bad
I adore an invader with personality
Like i had one called "my main goal" and he just chugged a physic, likely double stuffed with ruputured tears, and ran at me, didnt swing, didnt do anything
just blew up and left
because thats all he was there for
to blow up and act like he didnt know anybody
It might've been shortened cause of text limits, unsure
i just know the joke landed
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Twitter
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I haven't seen anyone mention it, but I like how the dlc casts Miquella's needle in the base game in a different light
One of the unalloyed gold needles that Miquella crafted to ward away the meddling of outer gods.
most discussion about it was focused on 'warding away' and 'outer gods'
maybe it should've been more focused on 'warding away meddling'
||It tracks very well to him casting off Trina, and seeking to embrace all underneath his rule||
especially with ||how outer gods gain traction in the marginalized and suffering - he blocks the 'meddling' because his path is the only path for the downtrodden||
I don't even think its malicious, just kinda sinister in implication
||but 'Unalloyed' was always a bit of a suspicious term - whats wrong with the integration of Gold? Why seek further purity - when the ancient color of gold is tinged?||
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https://x.com/Iranon_/status/1818630632756723813
also this fucks
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||but 'Unalloyed' was always a bit of a suspicious term - whats wrong with the i...
idk I've seen some people act like the dlc story around Miq ignored all his characterization from the base game, when imo it followed very directly
except for the One Bit
left willow
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Twitter
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.... I missed a piece somewhere: why does Ranni hate Messmer?
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cause its funny
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shes seen what angsty redheads have done to her family
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||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpq2fUk56Mo||
Penultimate Fight spoilers
god I love this shit
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Helm worn by soldiers who serve Messmer the Impaler. The iron helm features a visor. Though the engraving upon the forehead is a Scadutree design, it is etched in gold. A small consolation to those forced to wage a war without grace or honor.
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Thank you
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i think it's meant to be more of a shaped visor
but similar look, yeah
one thing that strikes me about the DLC is how Messmer is able to command a large and loyal following despite the price being effectively excommunication
there's Rellana, ofc, but the Fire Knights kit has something about them being disowned by their families as well
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Yeah, the officer class of the crusade in general all feel like they were either aristocratic black sheep or second/third sons
like, there's not much to do with a spare heir when the ruling class is all immortal
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the unshakeable loyalty of the disfavored son compels a certain sort of person (||and then Messmer dies finally cursing his mother||)
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good for him
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What's really impressive is that the rank and file are a penal legion and messmer is still able to inspire loyalty
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There's like three main components of the crusade: Messmer and Rennala's personal entourages (Fire Knights and Sorcerers), religious fanatics(Black Knights), and penal units(the men at arms)
with a handful of perfumers and whatever those omenkillers are doing there
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i could see the crusade being the origin point of the omenkillers, given, well, the hornsent
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yeah but it seems to have happened after Godfrey's exile, which by necessity postdates Morgott and Mohg's imprisonment
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Perfumers are the origin of the omenkillers, so one being where the other is makes sense
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It feels like he called the disadvantaged and the discarded to his banner and we know he gave them parts of his fire abilities
And given how stratified Marika made much of the lands between in her rule
That’s a good motivator
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the fire knights actually learned the messmerflame spells out of loyalty to messmer, more than a gift
its mentioned they couldn't replicate what he did innately, so relied on Incantations to bridge the gap
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Messmer’s flame could not be gifted
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"hey boss, we've expressed our undying loyalty by replicating what you hate about yourself 🙂 "
awkward conversation right there
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Given how one of them has a hood that increases Int they might have started out as religious scholars
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You know what
I think he’s the first er character that made me think “I can fix him”
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they do seem to be studying stuff in the Shadowkeep
Rauh Ruin-stuff and Divine beasts
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notably, serpent imagery isn't present in any of Messmer's heraldry or in Shadow Keep's architecture, not like Rykard and his own snakey vibes.
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theres a few snakes on the fire knight sets
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oh
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but its always the two winged ones
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yeah and the fire knights know more about Messmer than they let on
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I think he’s the first er character that made me think “I can fix him”
Messmer is enough of a wet cat to be tragic, but also undeniably did truly awful things of his own will, which is just absolutely peak character imo
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Rauh Ruin-stuff and Divine beasts
I think what happened is that after they finished the genocide and learned they weren't going to be welcomed back, they decided to preserve and catalog what was left of Hornsent culture. Aside from Devonia and a Fire Golem i haven't found any crusader presence in Rauh(which seems to predate the Hornsent civilization by quite a bit)
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Messmer is enough of a wet cat to be tragic, but also undeniably did truly awful...
Yeah
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Notably the shades in Specimen Storage are hornsent shades
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using Messmerfire incantations, which is really interesting
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Notably the shades in Specimen Storage are hornsent shades
thats something I was noodling on for a while
if the Shadowkeep was a pre-crusade structure, or built by Messmer's forces
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was there a truce here? are the shades sapient enough to learn and forgive?
All the living hornsent we meet are survivalist fanatics huddling in the bombed out ruins of their old religious centers
and many of them are old
the inquisitors are all explicitly old women
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if the Shadowkeep was a pre-crusade structure, or built by Messmer's forces
Some item descriptions state that some of the Fire Knights actually advocated for preserving the specimens rather than destroying them
so if shadowkeep is built on an older structure, nothing of that structure remains
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thats about where I was at
I think it was built by the crusade, perhaps over an existing settlement, or perhaps the lower quarter was only flooded after the rebellion of some of Messmer's forces
especially because the Shadowtree doesn't seem to predate the Erdtree
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Also i recently realized, that for a woman who created an order that hates magical fire, Marika ironically seems to have been a blacksmith by vocation. And smithing used to be a religious practice.
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she also specifically asked a blacksmith to help the tarnished come kill her
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'asked' is doing a lot of work lmao
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Its quite possible that the "I Hate Fire" thing came from Radagon
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I think Hewg could very well be from the Land of Shadow
though I'd slot Marika in as more an early perfumer - a healer - than blacksmith
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Marika's personal badge of office is a blacksmith hammer
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Hewg at least made a promise to Marika
oh yeah thats 100% true I just meant
I'm not so sure you have a choice when a God tasks you to do something
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Marika's personal badge of office is a blacksmith hammer
very good point!
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oh yeah thats 100% true I just meant
I'm not so sure you have a choice when a Go...
he seems exceedingly willing at least
it was not like, a one-sided thing, he really wants to fulfill that promise
in fact he literally says it was the only reason he kept living
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the dlc really locked me in on Marika as desiring..... an end, I guess
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yeah
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it was not like, a one-sided thing, he really wants to fulfill that promise
Hewg's projecting paternal feelings onto Roderika, its possible that he had a similar relationship with young Marika
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yeah
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I think she may have called Radagon back and investigated the Golden Order together to see if there was a way to pass on Godhood, or swap
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thinking about Hewg now
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if i'm right about her being a former blacksmith, he might actually have been her mentor
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and when there wasn't one that she found, it was fuck it - let us both be shattered then
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Allow me to c-call you this, just once, before it ends. My lord, f-for that is what you are.
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in fact he literally says it was the *only* reason he kept living
He does seem utterly terrified of her though
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He does seem utterly terrified of her though
I think he can be afraid of Marika-the-God, and also have geniunely cared for her when she was just Marika-the-Shaman
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He does seem utterly terrified of her though
he prays to her
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Marika's words at the minor erdtree church reference "companions", its possible Hewg was one of them alongside Godfrey and possibly Radagon
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no matter what he still prays to her, and he lives yet to fulfill his promise to her
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I actually think the Minor Erdtree echo is from Radagon
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like she had an adventuring party with her on her vengeance quest
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and is supposed to be the foundation of fundementalism
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like she had an adventuring party with her on her vengeance quest
because yeah its a weird way for a Queen-God to talk, and stands out among the others
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In Marika's own words. I declare mine intent, to search the depths of the Golden Order. Through understanding of the proper way, our faith, our grace, is increased. Those blissful early days of blind belief are long past. My comrades; why must ye falter?
What I think happened is that Marika sought godhood for revenge at first, then gradually lost sight of her motivations as an outgrowth of that initial seeking, and once she found the answers, she didn't like them at all. Enter the Shattering
Like she's trying to find deeper spiritual catharsis in the Golden Order when no, its just revenge and math
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This quotes interesting because the Church you find it at, the Minor Erdtree church, is also where you get the GO fundementalism seal
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i have still not recovered from ||Shaman Village||
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and a Golden Centipede, which references them as well
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This quotes interesting because the Church you find it at, the Minor Erdtree chu...
Marika's Seals do increase Intelligence too
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so I think what occured there is Radagon - a champion, someone more likely to have comrades - is declaring his ideology towards Fundementalism
its very much his baby
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Yeah but Melina says its literally in Marika's own words
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(in the same way I'd say the Erdtree is a stand-in for Marika)
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Yeah but Melina says its literally in Marika's own words
yeah, but Radagon is Marika
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||Secret incantation of Queen Marika. Only the kindness of gold, without Order.|| is so fucking devastating with the knowledge of what happened with the golden order and the events that led to the shattering
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Melina's just tuning into the words left behind
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plus, faith and grace in the GO relates to the blessings of Marika
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Like, its clear that the "refinement" of the Golden Order, the rejection of the Crucible etc began at Marika's behest
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shes the one true god - what use would she have for faith?
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GO Fundamentalism would simply be an outgrowth of Marika trying to resovle the contradictions in her own paradigm
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I'd agree with that
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which is what Goldmask did
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imo its pretty clear Radagon and Marika were aligned at one point
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his chad self just found the solution once given all of the facts
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(why else would she specifically call him back, and send away her other lord?)
but no longer
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The way I see it both radagon and marika contributed to GO fundamentalism (Marika's the one who met the Sorcery Hand underground after all), its just that Radagon clings to it dogmatically while Marika actually comprehends it
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Sorcery Hand?
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T-poses at a tree
mathematically solves religion
refuses to elaborate
dies
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Metyr
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ah
I think they both comprehend it - Radagon's definitely not portrayed as someone dumb
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half his lore is about studying and learning trades
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Radagon is extremely learned
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his Tragedy, imo, is being a cast-off and incomplete shard who sought perfection
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he's a sorcerer king
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and is now eternally broken
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he knows all of the magic shit
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Learned, but without innovation
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yeah
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he became the Golden Order, and thats the sad part
ehhhh, he did invent several spells explicitly
he's stagnant now, but thats the sad part
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Radagon is like, Lawful Neutral incarnate so he comprehends the magic laws of physics but doesn't have the personal agency to question a broken system
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do love his contrast with Godfrey as the Barbarian King
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the system can't be broken in his eyes, its the system
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yeah
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He's the end state of IRL fundamentalist movements that start out with critical scholarship but devolve into dogmatic arcana that religious figures parrot by rote without question
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though I interpret his attempts to fix the Order as ||also a bit of self-defense - Marika and him are the Order, the Elden Ring is physically housed in them||
||Marika shattering the ring, and him trying to fix it, can also be read as Marika shattering them both, and Radagon trying to keep them alive||
I dont know why Im spoiler tagging
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watching Ludwigs SOTE vid and i do not think this man is exploring, with the damage he is taking he cannot be at a proper Scadutree blessing level
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At the end of his life, Radagon's intelligence manifests less as scholarly empiricism and more him being able to memorize the entirety of a religious treatise and its commentaries and the commentaries on the commentaries and so on and so forth
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another W for Goldmask
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he has nothing but W's
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if my read on Marika's motivations holds water, she'd even agree!
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its like how Raya Lucaria is actually implied to have stagnated
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oh yeah there is tons of evidence of stagnation in Raya Lucaria
they also get hella dogmatic
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because there's like, no innovation anymore. They're clearly all very smart but they're dogmatic self-absorbed academia whose priorities consist of classist one-upsmanship and fellating their own history
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what with Thops, Sellen, Lusat and Azur
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they were probably on the right track kicking Sellen out tbf
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if Rennala wasn't actually cripplingly depressed she could probably fix things
but she's kind of out of commission
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shes the one who actually banned study of the current
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shes the one who actually banned study of the current
that's not unreasonable at all though
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it was the Carian controlled school that prevented its study
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i actually think that was like, the most reasonable possible course of action
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Like you'd think these corrupt sorcerers would be doing unethical experiments but no, Raya Lucaria is painfully orthodox and afraid of innovation
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i just mean that Sellen, Azur and Lusat are innovators
Thops is probably actually the best example
Sellen is kinda nuts
and Azur and Lusat are basically a big justification for why banning research into the primal currents was based actually
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that's not unreasonable at all though
oh for sure, she was (implied?) to have been orbing students
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I mean studying the current is implied to fuck you up
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it's not so much implied
as it it just
stated
Azur and Lusat studied it intensely and their brains got turned to crystals and it just permanently fucked their psyche to each produce one single spell related to the Primal Current
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Thorn sorceries too, disdained by the academy
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The Carian family is implied to have connections to the Eternal City/Uhl Culture and was in contact with Sellia, so it seems to have been far more open minded than modern Raya Lucaria
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and the process irrevocably ruined them mentally
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The Academy also looks down on the demihuman sorcerous tradition
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thops...
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poor guy 😭
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Azur and Lusat studied it intensely and their brains got turned to crystals and ...
I'm still not entirely sure what to think about the current with the "Lightless Abyss" mentions in the dlc
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Ymir's hat attributing it to the Greater Will, a sorc underlining it as the home of the Fallingstar beasts found literally right next to a finger ruin - Comet Azur having the same starry patterns Metyr, Elden Beast, and Astel all share...
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Iron
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I like the scarf
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anyway Godfrey is based, love me a barbarian warrior kinda guy
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you think he was doing the divine beast warrior thing when he killed serosh?
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how do you mean?
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Godfrey seems to have been from a culture that was influenced by the Hornsent, but wasn't Hornsent himself
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ah, Serosh is kinda like a beast-spirit, right?
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yes
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and after Godfrey rips him, he starts acting more liony
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arguably one of the more, if not most powerful ones
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he might have been mantling aspects of Serosh
could also just be Hoarah Loux shit
i do like the idea of it being an invocation
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100% pure Elden Lord
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Damn
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its not Serosh, he's just like that
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Godrick actually got me
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my read was he's always been like that and serosh was there to hold him back
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It’s been a while since that happened
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yea
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yeah Hoarah Loux is Godfrey being unrestrained by Serosh
Serosh is implied to be like, mantling Hoarah Loux to an extent to take on his emotions
he's basically letting the barbarian rage of Hoarah Loux go through him to allow Godfrey to act the civilized king
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I think Godfrey might have been his culture's equivalent of a Lion Dancer
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which is also why i think that when Serosh roars while Godfrey holds Morgotts body
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because the Divine Beast Dancers in Belurat seem to place a lot of emphasis on being "sculpted"
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that is Godfrey feeling emotions so intense that Serosh physically has to react
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bodybuilding as a religious practice
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at least, that's my read on it
i strongly headcanon that Godfrey actually loved his kids but just, couldn't really do much of anything to help them, the way that scene plays out is too emotional feeling for me to consider otherwise
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interestingly, we still know less of Godfrey's origins than Marika's
like he just kinda shows up in the historical record as Marika's killstick
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he seems to be associated with the Crucible in some fashion, but the only info the DLC has on him is the Talisman of Lord's Bestowal
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fake ruler?
puppet king?
he was Marikas beat stick
when she needed something to die she threw Godfrey at it
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he almost certainly didn't have any actual power
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Like he probably handled wartime decisions
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they do also have genuine power because Marika went to great lengths to be able to inhabit both the position of God and Elden Lord through Radagon
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and the Fortified Manor in Leyndell seems to have been his personal estate
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i imagine Godfrey probably didn't have much say in things
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a locus of power separate from the Queen's quarters
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he was on the martial side of things as his nature demanded
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I get the impression that Godfrey didn't handle bureaucracy because he didn't care for it, not because he lived at Marika's mercy
a god needs a lord
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it was probably a mix of things
i literally just cannot imagine Godfrey cared about politicking much
but also i think Marika was probably making the decisions regardless
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Serosh was for forcing a warrior to be vaguely lord-shaped
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But how Marika encountered Hoarah Loux is unknown
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Serosh was for forcing a warrior to be vaguely lord-shaped
this basically
Hoarah Loux is absolutely just a eternal war guy
Serosh mantled that aspect of him and let him function nominally as Godfrey instead
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there are quite a few cultures from beyond the lands between that for better or for worse exist in armor descriptions only
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but that doesn't mean Godfrey is not an eternal war guy because he absolutely still is
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the land of reeds, eochaid, the highlands and badlands, where the dancers are from
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i'm being kind of facetious but i think it is noteworthy that HL's epithet is just "Hoarah Loux, Warrior"
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Godfrey's function seems to have been as an army general
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yeah
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like. yep. that's him. that's what he is
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there's also the cut line Godfrey says that implies that he signed on in part to have sex with Marika
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which is like
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that's as much civilization as you're gonna wring out of the guy
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in the end i suppose they're simply not too important to the story, which is totally understandable
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he can lead an army instead of just punching people
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but there's also the cut lines that imply that Godfrey helped plan the shattering with Marika
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very good of Serosh
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there's also the cut line Godfrey says that implies that he signed on in part to...
king shit?
Godfrey truly has no plan except to bang Marika and fight
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wife guy but your wife is god and she likes you bc you're good at hitting things
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i love the writing of the Lord of Beasts basically taming a guy
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what's that Augus quote, again?
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man so fucking feral and fight happy they had to get the lord of the fucking beasts in to make him more civilized
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i mean if Serosh is from Farum Azula he's probably more cultured than humans
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well yeah but that's not what i mean
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Relax, son. Enjoy every moment! You fight, then eat good food. You fight, then drink fine wine. You fight, then sleep with beautiful women. Hell, fight with beautiful women! That is what it means to live.
this describes Hoarah Loux
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they had to get the king of the beasts to force a man to be civilized
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The Talisman of Lord's bestowal also implies that he followed Marika in part because she promised to make him stronger
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like not just any beast could pull it off. it had to be the best one
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it's funny from a narrative perspective that a beast which is usually depicted as ferocious and feral had to teach manners to a guy
in fact they literally had to get the king of the beasts to do it
and he has to follow the guy around constantly and keep it up 24/7
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the beastmen and whatever society they had in farum is so fascinating of a concept, it makes me wonder what sort of beasts once ruled the lands and who the storm lord was
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So it's kind of implied that Intelligence and Faith were bestowed upon the beasts by the Mother of Fingers, hence the five fingered hand symbolizing the intelligence of the beastmen
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Admittedly, the lord of beasts does so by..... constantly digging his teeth and claws into his body
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yeah but Metyr doesn't have Five Fingers
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the beastmen and whatever society they had in farum is so fascinating of a conce...
Storm Lord is probably the Stormhawk King
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which is VERY funny in juxtaposition with Hoarah Loux, who doesn't give a rat's ass about faith, is dumb as a sack of rocks, and needs a beast to civilize him
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she has....well too many to count
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she has plenty, she can spare five
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Admittedly, the lord of beasts does so by..... constantly digging his teeth and ...
i headcanon that he is also mantling the rage that Hoarah Loux has in him as well
or just generally taking on Godfreys emotions
letting him be somewhat more rational and stately
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my two cents is that the biting and clawing is just, like
literally a restraint harness
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yeah he's a living choke chain
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when he starts to get too excited Serosh digs teeth and claws into him
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that would make sense also
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and then when Godfrey decides he actually needs to go apeshit
he does away with the choker
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Storm Lord is probably the Stormhawk King
there are a lot of disparate uses of storms in elden ring, the banished knights and commanders, the divine beasts, godrick, stormhawks themselves
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Placidusax
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i feel it's related to the crucible spiral, but there's also the connection between dragons and storms
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Not Godfrey interestingly
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Placidusax could also be it
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despite what Godrick seems to think
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My friend who I debate Elden Ring lore with is of the opinion that it was the Stormhawk King, and that they're a Crucible god / deific animal
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the commanders have twisted horns on their armor, and banished knights have a single horn and a dragon on theirs
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I think Stormveil's storms are the remnant of some old culture that's been forgotten
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so there's probably a mixture of both in there. i wonder if the ancient dragons too worshiped the crucible?
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its clear that the castle wasn't always a penal colony. It predates Godrick.
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The hornsent do revere storms themselves, what with the lion
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Storms just seem to have been seen as divine in general
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despite what Godrick seems to think
my favorite mini-theory is that godrick grafted commander niall's leg and that's why he can use the storm, he has one of those duck foot greaves
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that is a very fun theory
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it could be from a banished knight but it is quite large and it's just fun to think that
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Its like how smithing used to be seen as broadly holy by a bunch of different cultures before the Golden Order
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which is also why i think that when Serosh roars while Godfrey holds Morgotts bo...
ooo I like that read
I think the storm stuff is likely crucible related, if tangentially
though what exactly the Crucible is is still kinda up in the air
seems like 'force of vital energy' is the most correct?
Devonia is staring very specifically at Enir-Illm
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yeah
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ooo I like that read
it's just like, such a tender moment with the way Godfrey talks to Morgotts body and the way he gently holds him, and there is not really a reason for Serosh specifically to roar so i feel like it's an expression of what Godfrey is feeling at the time
proven cloak
or just primal Erdtree, but the Ruah crucible aspects are much older than the Golden Tree
proooobably still Elden Beast related?
its still gold
grave plinth
I think the Crucible is the world's "inner god" (or one of them) that Marika bootstrapped the Elden Beast to
proven cloak
the Crucible itself could very well be the Elden Ring
spring marlin
the "primordial elden ring" in farum azula does feature a crucible pattern, so it may not be so far off to say the dragons too revered it
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using the Crucible as fuel to grow the Erdtree
proven cloak
yeah it could also just refer to a sort of divinity found when life is combined en-masse
frozen olive
it's just like, such a tender moment with the way Godfrey talks to Morgotts body...
Godfreys grief at seeing his son in that state, dying, is such that Serosh who i personally think is keeping his emotions in check, cannot help but let it out by roaring
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there's mentions throughout the land of shadow to some sort of polytheistic tradition the Hornsent were part of
The Hornsent just revered the Crucible above all
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even the Ruah crucible spells show the Erdtree sigil, though
(but that could be gameplay reasons)
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Interestingly the Giants and the Forge Golem religion seem wholly unconnected to the Crucible
but the Fell God IIRC is not described as an Outer God
spring marlin
the "primordial elden ring" in farum azula does feature a crucible pattern, so i...
there's also the dragon god, whoever that is, though it's my belief that it's simply the greater will
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or rather, none of the item descriptions that mention it use the word "outer"
frozen olive
there are a bunch of different type of gods
The Fell God could just be native to the Lands Between
like the Crucible or the Tutelary deities
spring marlin
who's known for leaving everyone on read way earlier in the timeline with the dlc's revelations
grave plinth
there's also the "old gods" mentioned in the Meteoric Ore Greatsword
which appears to actually be a repurposed giant arrowhead of all things
spring marlin
that's the most mysterious element of things to me. i try not to think about it
frozen olive
it's a shard too
grave plinth
so at one point something up there in the sky was shooting giant flint arrowheads/javelins at something else
proven cloak
there's also the dragon god, whoever that is, though it's my belief that it's si...
same
frozen olive
"fashioned from an excavated shard of an arrowhead that was once part of the old god's arsenal."
spring marlin
my best guess is that they're the big ol' skeletons seen in caelid and the mountaintops, but what that means in the context of elden ring is... pocketed, at best
proven cloak
the most interesting thing about the meteoric ore greatsword imo
is it shows how old Metyr is
this ancient arrowhead from a civilization we know nothing about and have no identifiable records of was made of a rock that came after her
shes almost certainly the oldest living thing in the Lands Between
frozen olive
how do we know it came after her?
spring marlin
her remembrance does say metyr was the "first shooting star to hit the lands between"
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Metyr is descibed as "the first star that fell on the lands between"
proven cloak
her rememberance calls her the first shooting star to land in the Lands- yeah
spring marlin
we all said it
proven cloak
lol
languid tiger
shes almost certainly the oldest living thing in the Lands Between
the oldest foreign living thing
grave plinth
but honestly the language is vague at best
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the oldest *foreign* living thing
well I meant “currently living”
she might predate terrestial life, but who knows
But shes almost certainly been around longer than anything else you find
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Rauh might be older
languid tiger
just want to hedge, because of things like the Crucible that may or may not be living
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the Ancestor Spirits too
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Rauh might be older
its why the meteroic ore arrow is intersting to me for that reason, its kind of rauh-coded
if the swords of light and dark are theirs too
or they built the divine towers, which have meteors embedded in the top
grave plinth
maybe yeah but it does magic damage of all things while the light/dark swords are holy based
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it means Metyr is as old as the most ancient civilizations we have records of
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I think the greatsword is just some relict of a deity otherwise lost to history
it doesn't even look like the other Forge treasures
enshrined there cuz the forge priests thought it was cool
spring marlin
i do think the old gods are indeed the big ol' skeletons because who else would be using arrows that big, though if one does date the divine towers and similar to that time period then they likely existed alongside regularly-sized humans
if runes can physically make a creature larger, then these beings would truly equate to gods
grave plinth
the Divine Towers might have actually been built by the Uhl/Proto-Nox
languid tiger
the divine tower architecture doesn't match up with that, iirc
grave plinth
someone actually found a re-used Uhl motif on the Sealing Tower
there's two different architectural styles in the Eternal Cities
languid tiger
the sealing tower pillar ain't the Divine Towers
proven cloak
yeah the suppresion pillar seems different
grave plinth
yeah but if you look at them on a map and line up the Land of Shadow with the gap in the center the Suppression Pillar is the Exact Center of them
languid tiger
yes? it also says that itself
spring marlin
it would definitely make sense for that culture to eventually become the nox though, what with making their own really big god skeleton
languid tiger
the suppression pillar matches up to the uhl and uld palace ruins, yeah, but the divine towers don't
grave plinth
yeah the Uhl seem to have worshipped a bunch of things
languid tiger
the divine towers look like they're the anchor points for the physical shroud over the lands of shadow
the one over the scadutree
grave plinth
the Ancestral Followers look like they've been living unchanged since the beginning but they might actually be a neo-primitivist movement
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I think they're hornsent remnants
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Maybe but i don’t think so
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or at least split from the same proto-culture
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I think they’re Uhl/Uld Dynasty remnants
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they've got the same mention of buds, horns, revered anscestor spirits, life and sacrifice
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I think the hornsent held cultural hegemony over a lot of people but weren’t an empire like the Golden Order is
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but they are lacking some of the other bits
spring marlin
the Ancestral Followers *look* like they've been living unchanged since the begi...
i do think this is supported in game text, with the ancestral follower ashes describing them as "horned folk who eschew letters and metalworking"
so they're at least aware enough of that sort of thing to shun it
grave plinth
Like the followers don’t have actual horns and practice an Intelligence based magic system with a heavy emphasis on what is basically animal necromancy
spring marlin
indeed their horns are not real, they're described as worn as well
grave plinth
The ancestor spirits might be a type of divine beast but i think that’s the extent of their connection