Their motives are cool, endgame is End of Eva but no going back
#Elden Ring (DLC hype room)
kind garden
stone cove
"The big bang was a mistake" is basically FF as an ending
left willow
Motive: Interesting
Goal: boring
stone cove
It's deffo frustrating we cant shit-talk Gids over all this
covert schooner
the only character who i feel still has an incomplete questline going on
obtuse halo
she's just snacky
left willow
"The big bang was a mistake" is basically FF as an ending
I cast! HEAT DEATH OF THE UNIVERSE vibes fr fr
stone cove
"Gids my man, you will NOT belive what i found"
kind garden
Gideon deserves less
covert schooner
i guess the quest end is supposed to be killin her?
stone cove
Gideon, five hours of talking later: "Okay tarnished. Here;'s my armor and weapon. I'm going naked srcreaming through teh countryside. Bye.":
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Gideon deserves less
I gotta give him props for understanding the story better than 90% of players, and without item descriptions
covert schooner
I choose to believe gideon just doesn't believe you
he thinks youre fucking with him
obtuse halo
I choose to believe gideon just doesn't believe you
also good
stone cove
I do wish we got more ofa n answer on why the hell he just FLIPS THE FUCK OUT
His claims dont make a lot of sense
covert schooner
"uhuh. sure man. yeah they just carved a chunk of the continent out"
kind garden
“Imagine Gideon. 3 Demigods”
“Okay cool”
“Maybe more”
“Okay thanks Tarnished”
“Imagine…”
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His claims dont make a lot of sense
I think he's onto something
covert schooner
I think he might find out that ||the greater will isn't here||
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in that ||I think Marika legitimately wanted to die||
stone cove
sicne it;'s all but explcit that ||Mariak is literally guiding you, and, amusingly, Godfrey||
It's the "Contiuine to fight, unto eternity" bit
mighty warren
gideon just gets dropped all of this and it's just
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Overtime I started to get iffy on if you even kill the EB, or the God Slain text refers to Marika instead
kind garden
Oh, no, it’s that Gideon thinks you can’t beat the Elden Beast
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||with the dlc, I'm more confortable in that read - Miquella gets the same treatment||
kind garden
He’s just like “nah that shit is unbeatable. We lose. Ggs.”
covert schooner
I kinda love his breakdown tbh
kind garden
GGS TO THIS, IDIOT
proven cloak
It's the "Contiuine to fight, unto eternity" bit
I think he's a doomer about your chances / actually doesn't think it should be done
kind garden
I HAVE FIRE DAMAGE
mighty warren
Wrong, messmer's orb
covert schooner
it feels suitably like a man gone mad
obtuse halo
"Also I died like six times sucking Saint Trina's Fingers"
"too much information, newcomer."
left willow
Oh, I just realized why I find "cause universal heat death" boring as a goal: It's cause I'm deeply Polites-coded and believe that change is possible with work and power.
covert schooner
I mean i don’t agree with it
But I think it’s an interesting analogue to
Essentially depression
But on a global scale
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its neat how it crops up all over the place like a metaphysical curse
covert schooner
“Life isn’t worth living, everyone pack it up”
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you suffer enough, you can manifest the flames
covert schooner
And then any time anyone is overwhelmed by the death drive it’s frenzy time
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and the take - "Life itself is a mistake", is a good basis for madness
covert schooner
Shabriri is… kinda Persona Nyx coded
left willow
its neat how it crops up all over the place like a metaphysical curse
Yes! Again: FF itself is cringe, but interesting. The goal is bleh imo
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its not just 'woohoo I'm crazy 🤪', but its something I can totally imagine a medieval society calling mad if you geniunely believe it
covert schooner
The point is that to be interesting is to suffer
covert schooner
I do appreciate ||that we finally fight a frenzy fucker||
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Yes! Again: FF itself is cringe, but interesting. The goal is *bleh* imo
I mean I agree but I'm crucible-pilled and a GW apologist
so
lmao
covert schooner
Also man a lot of stuff in the lands of shadow is probably about to break containment and be a real problem for the world after you become lord
If you don’t deal with it
Huh
kind garden
Eyup
covert schooner
||Midra is probably about to go on a frenzy crusade, Saint is cooking up a new rot fester, Miquella is about to rock up back to the lands between||
||Count Ymir is probably about to do… uh, something?||
kind garden
Romina seems to just be chilling in nowhereland tbh
stone cove
hoenstly.
covert schooner
He’s so baffling
kind garden
His robe is made of banana peels
covert schooner
I’m a scholar of fromsoft I think but Ymir genuinely took me so off guard
kind garden
Making him immune to pratfalls
kind garden
Also yeah I was telling a friend about Ymir
I was like “uh yeah so there’s a guy who knows everything. And he just casually tells you the secrets to all space and time, then tells you to phone God about it”
covert schooner
The most effective eldritch horror ever
Like
Better than bloodbornes imo
As horror
obtuse halo
||Midra is probably about to go on a frenzy crusade, Saint is cooking up a new r...
||Midra|| only goes off after you disturb him tbh
kind garden
I knew from the moment that he just Knew Everything that this dude was gonna spring some fucked up shit on me
And he sure did!
covert schooner
Yeah but like….. ||he was probably gonna do that anyway eventually||
obtuse halo
Who knows how long he would just keep meditatively enduring
covert schooner
I love how the Hornsent react to the threat of frenzy
Like just instantly
“Nope fuck that kill them all”
kind garden
Ymir being a guy who just casually goes “hey Tarnished, want to know the secrets of the cosmos? I literally know everything btw”
Was peak
stone cove
Well
thats' assuming
that
||The inquistoprs werent doing a false flag.||
which
They may have been
mighty warren
Oh right an aside, with the DLC done i'm gonna give goldmask's ending a peek this time round
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Also man a lot of stuff in the lands of shadow is probably about to break contai...
relaxing in Leyndell one day (still cleaning up the ash)
Boc trying to rediscover cloth dye technology, Sellenball drifting happily around Marika's stone tablets.
We've even got a delegation from Stormveil, starting to re-open trade.Lordship's good
suddenly hear a splintering noise, sky starts to turn white
giant fuck-off invisible tree made of shadow appears for a second, then explodes
entire new continent on my front lawnlook inside
||It's Godwyns||
stone cove
The problem is the way they do Midra basically perfectly ensues ||He becomes a lord, by letting him fester in dispair for however long||
covert schooner
MAN YOU DONT RESOLVE THAT EVEN IN THE MAIN GAME
kind garden
Those fucking Godwyns, man
covert schooner
THATS JUST HANGING OUT AND GETTING WORSE
stone cove
Those fucking Godwyns, man
covert schooner
It’s so fucking funny
stone cove
Fresh from the stoooorrreee!
kind garden
The cadaver surrogate thing was just like
stone cove
Hoenstly i think teh answer is the Scadutree and Erdtree are linked
kind garden
“Okay, so that problem still isn’t solved”
stone cove
GGodwyn is basically a cancer on the roots of the Shadowtree.
covert schooner
Yeah
kind garden
“Sweet. Horrors beyond my comprehension.”
stone cove
So the cancer is now being mirrored into the shadowrealm
why his death knights went after them is just ????
covert schooner
hehe new meme brain
"shabriri, this is the seventh time youve show frenzy to the class"
stone cove
Intereistngly, someoen pointed out the scadutree appears to be two trees, and one of them is being strangled by what appears to be am irror of the sealing tree.
kind garden
*why* his death knights went after them is just ????
Nah this makes sense actually
stone cove
"shabriri, this is the seventh time youve show frenzy to the class"
KId: MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD! eyeballs explode
kind garden
They’re looking for a proper Godwyn corpse to form so they can kill it and he’ll be dead for really real
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Intereistngly, someoen pointed out the scadutree appears to be *two* trees, and ...
I think its two-that-are-one
but the sealing tree parallel is real
stone cove
It's just very interesting the whole sealing tree bit
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||I think its how the lands got seperated in the first place||
obtuse halo
They’re also a spiral
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I was eating so good this dlc let me tell you
covert schooner
oh yea h that kinda never gets brought up
same as what the fuck is marika actually doing in that trailer
stone cove
The spiral being dna linked nad the curicble being an evoloution methaphor
is well
great
mighty warren
|| i miss my son, moore, i didn't realize trying to help him would make us fight||
stone cove
i love it
covert schooner
with the hair
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|| i miss my son, moore, i didn't realize trying to help him would make us fight...
||sad, forever...?||
stone cove
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgbvv0OHOwY Someone actually made Blue Dancer charm good
i'm actually impressed
mighty warren
||sad, forever...?||
|| THE WAY HE SAYS IT WHEN YOU KILL HIM, I GENUINELY DIDNT WANNA SWING ON HIM IN THE FIGHT CAUSE I THOUGHT MAYBE KILLING LEDA WOULDVE ENDED IT, BUT THEN IT WAS JUST HIM||
covert schooner
the fcks up part of that for me is that ||he says he wants miquella to make him forget||
atomic plinth
Fuck I wish Elden Ring had Bonfire Ascetics, I yearn to fight Divine Beast Dancing Lion again
kind garden
There’s actually a means of doing this
It’s called fighting the second Divine Beast Dancing Lion
stone cove
||There are two in the dlc||
mighty warren
|| so i'm just sitting there running around the entire arena going 'NOT MY SON' and dear god i will never not swing on leda anytime i see her now||
kind garden
Or NG+
covert schooner
also hes totally a kindred under that armor right
atomic plinth
It’s called fighting the second Divine Beast Dancing Lion
But I already fought the second one :(
stone cove
The ||Second one|| ios very funny, it has a fourth stance
covert schooner
like
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I saw someones take that ||she was inside the gate and looking out, since Enir-Illm has that Golden Sky||
covert schooner
hes gotta be
kind garden
The ||Second one|| ios very funny, it has a fourth stance
The funniest stance
left willow
Fuck I wish Elden Ring had Bonfire Ascetics, I yearn to fight Divine Beast Danci...
I wanna kick Margit's ass again, ngl
stone cove
||HURL BASILISKS||
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which was a fun one
atomic plinth
I guess there's always coop
mighty warren
hes gotta be
My boy?
covert schooner
yeah
mighty warren
honestly i'd believe it, that or someone somehow enduring the rot
kind garden
Fully transformed lol
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also hes totally a kindred under that armor right
I think either that or a human raised by them
the cookbooks say they're shared by the kindred to Moore 'and his kin'
kind garden
Just 100% bugpilled under that Armor
mighty warren
but yeah i don't know why but moore might be one of my favorite fromsoft characters period and he's like
barely one
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so he might just be a guy whos buggin'
stone cove
Moore, visually is interesitng
covert schooner
alongside ||torrent is afraid||
stone cove
his face reminds me of someone with Down's or similar.
mighty warren
||It wasn't too hard for me but i didn't realize the consequences of telling him to move on||
stone cove
Not meaning that as an insult or things, it's just how it's put togther is interesting
covert schooner
which is maybe the creepiest thing a game has ever told me
stone cove
mighty warren
he is friend shaped
stone cove
Ansbach is also very interesting, as he doesnt have the tattoo every other Knight of blood has.
mighty warren
not what i expected freyja to look like
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https://youtu.be/m3YAIq-gNYo?t=59
when ||Queelign|| invaded me, my first reaction was I could not lose to someone with that hair
kind garden
Okay I’m not gonna lie I am having a 4AM brain blast
I figured out the missing element to why some people Caelid: Become Bug from the rot and others don’t and melt instead
It is quite literally the armour
mighty warren
|| Queelign genuinely felt like he should've been whining for a parental figure anytime i defeated him||
kind garden
Bugs turn into liquid on the inside of their cocoons right
kind garden
Yeah p much lol
covert schooner
OOHHHHH YOURE SO COOL
kind garden
Armour is the cocoon for Rot victims
covert schooner
do people turn into the pests?
kind garden
If you have armour you fuckin- you metamorphose into a bug
Like the Cleanrot Knights
Who have bug wings
covert schooner
i thought they just kinda came up from the lake of rot
but that also makes sense
mighty warren
me who realizes my main outfit has the cleanrot chest armour
proven cloak
maybe both
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i thought they just kinda came up from the lake of rot
they definitely do this, but the cleanrots are starting to bug out
mighty warren
perhaps pests are created and cleanrots are the 'metamorphosed' ones?
mighty warren
pest thread spears my beloved
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mining glintstone, the way dragons slorp up the elements of where they live, etc
mighty warren
... oh my god i am just a bug
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so it wouldn't be out of place for rot to do that
kind garden
Anyways this is complete crack theorization but my new insane pet theory is that the Scarlet Rot is supposed to turn you into a bug
But like
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... oh my god i am just a bug
thoughts on pickling livers? or pickles in general?
mighty warren
thoughts on pickling livers? or pickles in general?
I enjoy both, depending on the liver
covert schooner
i think the blue warrior actually did fight an avatar of the rot who was a big bug
so
yeah that tracks
covert schooner
||romina||is..... also a bug
mighty warren
God i find it hilarious now, one of my favored chest pieces is the cleanrot knight armour and my favorite incantations are the pest thread ones
and KLS, but everyone likes KLS
proven cloak
i think the blue warrior actually did fight an avatar of the rot who was a big b...
oh yeah reminds me
||Metyr has the outer-spacey / gravity tag that the Fallingstar Beasts and Onyx + Alabaster Lords have, that makes anti-meteor weapons do more to them. Is there any lore implications to the fact the Elden Beast doesnt.||
covert schooner
this is actually not unlikely though
kind garden
Goodnight all
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speaking of god-avatars
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more the magic, than the origin of both from space?
kind garden
Oh wait lastly
The Scarlet Aeonia flower is both a cocoon and the bud of Romina all over again
covert schooner
oooooooooooooo
proven cloak
I really like that Romina's buds are lighter pink because they aren't tinged with gold
covert schooner
more the magic, than the origin of both from space?
i think gravity stuff is legitjust aleins
aliens
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||so does the Elden Beast not count as an alien?||
obtuse halo
Aliens
covert schooner
why the elden beast is like... a god child
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||Should I read into that, or just 🤷♂️ and go 'huh. weird.'||
covert schooner
idk
obtuse halo
Elden Beast has been filtering earthly things through it
Erdtree rebirth is a whole thing
Rune recycling with the stronger runes being increasingly coppery instead of yellow-gold
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its definitely tied to the world a bit more strongly than ||Metyr||
literally dictates how life and death work
mighty warren
|| i still think metyr is one of the grossest bosses i've dealt with in the from series for me which is weird cause there have absolutely be objectively grosser||
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||I felt that way in the fight, but looking at her model later I felt a bit of the majesty||
||she reminds me of the finger crones in posture||
covert schooner
I think it’s because she’s just
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Goodnight all
(also goodnight! fun talk)
covert schooner
Completely out of nowhere
mighty warren
i think i might just also be more affected by hand critters than stuff like gaping dragon or ludwig or
... well honestly the list of gross bosses is kinda long
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I feel like in her prime she must have been beautiful
||Romina freaked me out a lot when I first saw her, cause of the bugs||
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I feel like in her prime she must have been beautiful
her theme definitely helps this
mighty warren
|| Bugs don't really do much to me, the only way a bug gets to me is if it's like, big spider and i'm actively in its nest||
proven cloak
the scorps at the start got me too
mighty warren
I don't like how quiet they are
steel scroll
does it bug you
mighty warren
Oh yeah, got the blinkbolt ash of war
is nice, part of me wishes it infused the weapon
i know it couldn't get a unique attack out of blink obviously so that would've been a nice alternative
warped quest
dlc final boss is 100% the worst boss the series has ever had in terms of visuals
its like fighting a strobelight that kills your fps
frozen olive
yeah it's not the best
granite pawn
my ring elden and my tree scadu
entering the dlc with a bloodflame build
because im evvil
warped quest
are you using the confffor helm?
confessor
if you are try removing the cape on the glemir set it makes the confessor hood go over it and hides the chest lance plate
icy creek
Firespark perfume bottles are insane with frost builds.
stone cove
entering the dlc with a bloodflame build
Nice! Also grab yourself the Beast Claws, they go great with Blood flame
granite pawn
are you using the confffor helm?
uhh no i am using the thief hood
it has a cowl that goes over the mouth and nose
yeah it's just called the black hood
warped quest
oh i think thats one ive just always missed
languid tiger
do you buy that one from patches or have to farm it from his dudes?
can never remember
frozen olive
doing another elden ring run
frail sky
So um. The lizard greatsword's projectiles don't seem to have a spawn limit
atomic plinth
They do not, no
obtuse halo
my favorite part of winning fights bow-only is seeing my opponents just hilariously peppered with arrows
warped quest
i also noticed its a blunt greatsword
which is honestly neat
if it wasnt in the dlc it would probally be my blunt weapon of choice
obtuse halo
it always kind of rules tbh
frail sky
It doesn't seem to actually deal strike damage unfortunately 😔
obtuse halo
another good one
real shadow
So um. The lizard greatsword's projectiles don't seem to have a spawn limit
New Mission Unlocked: spawn as many of those projectiles as it takes to crash the game.
stone cove
So. I think I've gone mad
I'm trying to learn playing the game without crutching on Dragoncrest Greatshield.
While wearing Curseblade mask
Mistakes really hurt!
But also, free talisman slot & 5 dex! Five!
Just uh, ignore the -7% healing penalty
warped quest
i miss upgrdading armor honestly
i really think removing it really messed with player defenses
it really feels like the def talismans are in a way a replacement for it
atomic plinth
...ough
Cool shield...
I'm debating if I want Thops's Barrier or Holy Ground on it, or if I wanna leave it ashless
stone cove
simply do not get hit
The idea is to get me more actively using shield and parrying, and better timing my rolls
So yeah, basically. I feel my play is pretty sloppy because with defense buffs I'm good enough to brute force the game
And I'd like to get more finesse to my gameplay
old brook
I'm in the opposite train, my mind doesn't want to take a hit or put down second weapon for defense, trying for a parry thing but.. twohand.
old brook
Also Staff of the Great Beyond is an absolute godsend
warped quest
sadly in elden ring parry is only viable on shields
stone cove
I'm in the opposite train, my mind doesn't want to take a hit or put down second...
Yeah, I'm trying to get more fluid in managing swapping so I can respond better
warped quest
seriously the parry dagger has worse frames than small shields
stone cove
sadly in elden ring parry is only viable on shields
It's at it's best on shields, but parrying dagger is still useable. Depends what you mean by viable
I think shields are the superior option, but that's a product of a bunch of factors, some of which are just bad choices on froms part
atomic plinth
OOOOOOOOOOOOO I GOT A LEGIT PARRY IN PVP
OOOOOOOOOOO I FEEL SO FUCKING COOL
AND IT WAS AGAINST BEAST CLAWS TOO
stone cove
(communication around when the parry is active, the extreme difference between Carian Retaliation and every other parry, the fact that medium shields end up the most forgiving with Carian, etc)
warped quest
golden is 3 frames, carian is 6, bucker is 5, small is 5, storm wall is 5, pdagger, is 4 ,thops is 5 and rest are 2
stone cove
But can you still parry with the parrying dagger? It's perfectly viable
Golden Parry is identical to Carian.
It has more range, but always costs fp
I don't know why FEXTRA is claiming otherwise
obtuse halo
When i messed around with a parry build I used Storm Wall
atomic plinth
AND THE HOST JUST IMMEDIATELY DIED THE SECOND THEY STEPPED INTO THE ARENA
obtuse halo
It’s fun
atomic plinth
Holy shit I'm wheezing
obtuse halo
AND THE HOST JUST IMMEDIATELY DIED THE SECOND THEY STEPPED INTO THE ARENA
Classic dlc boss fight moment
atomic plinth
||...also why can I not parry Promised Consort all of a sudden...?||
||Golden Parry was doing fine but Carian Retaliation doesn't seem to be doing anything||
warped quest
probally range
frail sky
Golden parry has a lot more range so maybe it’s that?
atomic plinth
Maybe, but I'm parrying right in his face and it's not working
Does Golden get more parry frames than Carian?
That might be it
frail sky
I don’t think so?
atomic plinth
Apparently Golden does have slightly more active frames, but I don't think it's enough to make any real difference
I think it's just me getting the distances wrong
spring marlin
with the two new status attack boost talismans i'm surprised there wasn't a frostbite exultation one still
atomic plinth
That or I straight up flubbed the timing
spring marlin
then again i suppose that effect is already built into the status itself
atomic plinth
with the two new status attack boost talismans i'm surprised there wasn't a fros...
Would've been awful in PVP, good god
Can you imagine that on top of the Bleed shenanigans?
obtuse halo
golden parry has the same number of active frames as carian, but the larger parry hitbox effectively gives you a more generous window for any given attack to make contact
spring marlin
i don't doubt that that would be terrible but it'd also be really funny and probably be 10% at most
atomic plinth
Yeah it's definitely me flubbing the distances
atomic plinth
i don't doubt that that would be terrible but it'd also be really funny and prob...
Yeah, true
obtuse halo
since the attack moves through space while your active frames are happening, and golden allows the parry to occur in more space
atomic plinth
I just wonder who it would've been themed around
Bleed exultation is themed around the bleed boss, poison/rot is themed around the rot fellas, madness exultation is themed around those winter lanterns, but idk any really significant figures you could theme a frost exultation off of
obtuse halo
Ranni
atomic plinth
Maybe Ranni? But that doesn't feel right somehow.
obtuse halo
😛
atomic plinth
She doesn't feel the type to exult
spring marlin
either a snow witch or zamor theme, i'd think
obtuse halo
Frost exultation but you're actually just putting the doll in your talisman slot after she's left it
Zamor is a good callout
atomic plinth
...true, maybe Zamor Knight's Exultation
obtuse halo
that said frost is kind of its own exultation because it cuts its targets defense
atomic plinth
Yeah, like Yadana said, it already kinda has it built into itself
spring marlin
as redundant as the hypothetical it would have at least been possible. alas there's never going to be a prince of death's exultation
deathblight got such a bad hand it's easy to forget any player-facing tools even got it
old brook
Everything that applies cold applies it by the boatload anyhow
spring marlin
eclipse shotel, two spells and... yeah that's it
i can't imagine a way to implement it in pve that isn't spookier bleed so, fair enough
atomic plinth
Wish deathblight got more uses
Like I'd even take just an alt bleed that deals a big burst of damage
warped quest
my thought its deathbligh acts like frost but without a burst
atomic plinth
Just SOMETHING that would make it more useful for things beyond PvP
warped quest
ive thought about making madness and deathblight frost but magic and physical
without the burst in damage
atomic plinth
I hate how deathblight is either completely worthless or absolute horseshit to play against
It's either "this does literally nothing to what you're fighting" or "you're instantly dead now"
obtuse halo
as redundant as the hypothetical it would have at least been possible. alas ther...
crusade insignia is kind of prince of death exultation 😛
kind of
obtuse halo
I hate how deathblight is either completely worthless or absolute horseshit to p...
||Scorpion River Catacomb|| is magical though
genuinely such a funny dungeon
old brook
The dungeons all felt great in the dlc
stoic sleet
I've had invaders use that against me while cooping in that dungeon
Can't even be mad, it's a clever tactic
atomic plinth
I think it's just me getting the distances wrong
Going back to this, I think Golden Parry comes out faster than Carian Retaliation
Yeah it seems like it comes out a bit faster
raw coral
It’s off, been dealing with this for a while
atomic plinth
God, Melania's fucking FUN
Shame about Waterfowl but she's genuinely really enjoyable besides that
slender loom
Probably the boss I’ve fought and experimented with most
warped quest
she was a lot easier with the morgott sword than dual katanas
i think because morgott has enougyh poise damage to stagger her eevery hit
slender loom
This includes a tactic where I deliberately draw as much aggro as possible with items to make sure I’m the one dealing with the waterfowl dance
atomic plinth
Just wish Waterfowl Dance was less terrible to counter
Or shoot, even just dealt less damage
slender loom
That one worked best with a mage who had the big laser spell, they knocked her out of the wind up for wfd
atomic plinth
Speaking of staggering, Rellana's twin blades are GREAT for this fight
Fast and they stagger her constantly
grave plinth
didn't expect finger......
....but hole
atomic marsh
Hey
we were talking about the previous owner of Torrent
and how that may have been Marika
wildcard pitch
It's ACTUALLY Radagon
warped quest
i think its refering to melina
atomic marsh
My evidence?
Radagon also has 3 wolves
modest berry
now so does miquella if that statue posted earlier is to be believed, and has official art riding torrent
frail sky
My evidence?
Radagon also has 3 wolves
Why are there so many people who have three wolves
atomic marsh
Why are there so many people who have three wolves
This shirt sold fucking numbers in the Land Between
proven cloak
oh yeah speaking of statues
||Haligtree one matches the one of Marika in Messmer's room||
real shadow
Twitter
modest berry
i always assumed it might have been godwyn, unless he looks really like his mother
proven cloak
no braid though
hmmmm
theres a little bit of a curve to the chest, but its ambigious
I could see it being Radagon, too?
He had a good relationship with Miquella
I know post dlc ||people were asking if it was young Radahn||
atomic marsh
Isn't it kinda weird that Marika seemed to by all accounts be a shitty mom but Radagon seems like he was an alright dad
proven cloak
Isn't it kinda weird that Marika seemed to by all accounts be a shitty mom but R...
and if Marika split off a piece of herself to make Radagon, I think this was definitely in the part she split off
||like the divine tonics for Messmer in the dlc say: Marika once created several of these physicks for Messmer's sake. But never again.||
frail sky
This shirt sold fucking numbers in the Land Between
IIRC someone made fanart of ranni wearing this
proven cloak
could've been that she split off her 'attachment' in order to banish Godfrey, lock away Messmer, etc
median rock
This shirt sold fucking numbers in the Land Between
now im honestly wondering if miyazaki just saw those shits
and thats the out of universe explanation
proven cloak
||Radagon's character arc is very much about reaching for prefection / completion, or bringing disparate elements together. Maybe in their split, Marika became about pushing things away?||
frozen olive
Wish we could have gotten more Godfrey interactions
The only evidence of familial shit from him we have is his interaction with fading Morgott iirc
modest berry
and *if* Marika split off a piece of herself to make Radagon, I think this was d...
||his rune is a lattice a trellis that holds and binds the rune, however he wasnt a great husband, i still think he was a seperate person before fusion together honestly ||
modest berry
The only evidence of familial shit from him we have is his interaction with fadi...
i must have totally missed this what
median rock
||Radagon's character arc is very much about reaching for prefection / completio...
||from the st trina stuff, i feel like split-halves are leaning towards more "what the other is missing" rather than two different elements - like the implication that st trina IS the loving side that miquella rejected rather than a similar person w opposite aims or smth||
proven cloak
||his rune is a lattice a trellis that holds and binds the rune, however he wasn...
I actually think ||he did geniunely love Rennala, but was called back / needed to go (or made the decision to leave) in spite of that||
median rock
||like, radagon might have also similarly been the part that cared about unifying things, where marika got sidetracked by revenge etc.?||
proven cloak
I saw an interesting take the other day that the Dectus Echo of Marika was from Marika to Radagon, after Godfrey's banishment
on the path between Liurnia and Leyndell
median rock
i must have totally missed this what
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t330LuQDEZk start of the cutscene
frozen olive
i must have totally missed this what
Godfrey holds Morgotts dying body in the cutscene before you fight him and is seemingly incredibly distraught about his sons fate
proven cloak
I saw an interesting take the other day that the Dectus Echo of Marika was from ...
||"The Erdtree governs all. The choice is thine. Become one with the Order. Or divest thyself of it. To wallow at the fringes; a powerless upstart."||
I think they were cookin' a little bit, injects some extra tragedy to the whole thing
obtuse halo
My evidence?
Radagon also has 3 wolves
citation very needed, since he actually has six wolves
median rock
morgotts body is one of the few bodies in the souls games that are like, visibly on the map after you kill them, and stay there
frozen olive
Notably, this manifests in the form of Serosh letting out an incredible roar
obtuse halo
well. five (unless he is the Champion, in which case the Red Wolf of the Champion is also his)
frozen olive
Since Godfrey himself is sorta limited in his emotional expression
He has the bearing of a lord, which is a product of Serosh upon his back
Serosh roaring like that is imo a great expression of Godfreys sorrow
proven cloak
||from the st trina stuff, i feel like split-halves are leaning towards more "wh...
its still not clear how or when they show up
median rock
oh not remotely
proven cloak
I think from ||what happens to Trina||, and how Radagon is treated, that there is an 'original' in the relationship
atomic marsh
Radagon was an amazing husband from what's seen
proven cloak
||"hound of the Golden Order, thou are yet to become a god"|| type stuff
atomic marsh
Rennala adored him and the divorce did seem to be the major thing that shattered her psyche
obtuse halo
Radagon was an amazing husband from what's seen
though taking his old wedding gift and reforging it for the golden order was kind of a dick move
atomic marsh
That's a question if he had free will in that decision
median rock
I think from ||what happens to Trina||, and how Radagon is treated, that there i...
||i mean, we now know for 100% sure that radagon is part of marika but marika came first, since radagon was not involved in the land of shadow stuff||
modest berry
Rennala adored him and the divorce did seem to be the major thing that shattered...
specifically i was under the impression that was the plan though
proven cloak
I kept it as a possibility until the dlc ||shed light on the Saint Trina stuff||
atomic marsh
But why elevate and take the kids with him?
frozen olive
Feelsbadman for Rennala
modest berry
||i mean, we now know for 100% sure that radagon is part of marika but marika ca...
||i think she might have absorbed him with her flesh melding powers to be a consort and god as one being, rather than him being a fragment like trina - that he was his own beforehand||
grave plinth
Isn't it kinda weird that Marika seemed to by all accounts be a shitty mom but R...
Honestly he feels like such a nonentity in everyone but Miquella’s life
proven cloak
||i mean, we now know for 100% sure that radagon is part of marika but marika ca...
though theres the question of if Messmer was a child of Radagon
modest berry
though theres the question of if Messmer was a child of Radagon
almost certainly
grave plinth
The most Radahn has to say about him is he likes his hair (which Radagon hates)
frozen olive
I wonder about that
Because Radagons red hair is iirc a thing that he got from the war with the giants
A curse from them
warped quest
||i havent been convinced radagon wasnt his own person honestly before they were merged the giant's whip really leans into him having being a decendent of giants which wouldnt be hte case if he was created from marika||
proven cloak
Honestly he feels like such a nonentity in everyone but Miquella’s life
imo the Minor Erdtree Church echo of Marika is actually from him, he did found(?) GO Fundementalism
grave plinth
Yeah Rennala was really dependent on him but his actual kids with her actually seem somewhat dismissive of him
atomic marsh
There is a possibility
That Radagon (the man) and Radagon (the god) are actually two individually seperate entities
obtuse halo
I personally subscribe to the wild speculation/mass guessing that Radagon started as a Beast of some kind and rebirthed himself with the Amber Egg into his more humanoid form
grave plinth
Because the only positive thing any of them have to say about him is about a trait of his he hates
frozen olive
I personally subscribe to the wild speculation/mass guessing that Radagon starte...
Could have been a misbegotten or similar
grave plinth
I personally think Radagon is from Zamor
atomic marsh
There was a mortal named Radagon descended from giants that Marika took as husband, but took into herself and the Radagon we see is but a vessel and sliver of her personality
frozen olive
Radagon is surprisingly intertwined with the Misbegotten
grave plinth
I think the misbegotten thing is an artifact
atomic marsh
It's hard to say
frozen olive
Heck, one even has his sword
frozen olive
It's hard to say
Fromsoft lore moment
atomic marsh
Because the misbegotten are aesthetically really tied to Radagon's Red Wolves
proven cloak
I think the misbegotten thing is an artifact
this but also they use Misbegotten for stand-ins for Radagon
modest berry
One of them also has his marriage sword
proven cloak
the same way the Fell Twins are stand ins for Mohg and Morgott
frozen olive
We'll never know for certain, but it's fun to speculate
obtuse halo
If you buy the theory that he's the Champion of Morne, two Leonine misbegotten wield his swords.
real shadow
Rennala adored him and the divorce did seem to be the major thing that shattered...
Well you see as a fujoshi with an entire library of yaoi, Rennala fell into despair when her long-haired prettyboy left her and--
median rock
I personally think Radagon is from Zamor
i'm pretty sure radagon the dude on screen is objectively not from anywhere thats not marika
obtuse halo
one of the wildest things about the Champion of Morne is that all evidence points to him having fought the golden order, but he's remembered as a Hero
median rock
like he had a background where he was trying out different things but its explicitly stated he always wanted to be "complete"
and thats why he was studying different things at different places
proven cloak
he did combat, sewing, sorceries, incantations, blacksmithing...
grave plinth
Given what we know about Marika the evidence is now stronger that he was originally independent
languid tiger
i'm pretty sure radagon the dude on screen is objectively not from anywhere that...
radagon the dude on screen is obviously part of marika, i wouldn't say "not from anywhere else"
i think it's intentionally quite ambiguous
median rock
dlc spoilers ||i'm also inclined to believe the red hair is directly a fell god's curse now more, since i think messmer being also cursed with fire from an external source + fact that marika realized she couldn't actually get rid of the fell god entirely makes me believe that she got stuck with it afterwards.||
proven cloak
There is a question of,
If Marika was planning the Shattering from when Godfrey was banished, why was Radagon the second Elden Lord?
atomic marsh
There's significant evidence that he's both independent and only a part of Marika
languid tiger
what exactly the shaman merging does, and how independent radagon originally was, and what all the misbegotten's connection is to him is all pretty ambiguous and mysterious
spring marlin
Well you see as a fujoshi with an entire library of yaoi, Rennala fell into desp...
the carian royalty had a thing for red haired emo boys it seemeth
proven cloak
the carian royalty had a thing for red haired emo boys it seemeth
as is their right
atomic marsh
Actually part of the evidence that Radagon was an independent being and not tied to Marika is that his line with Renalla is the only one completely free of any kind of born curse
All of Marika's children sans Godwyn are all fucked up
frozen olive
True
proven cloak
There is a question of,
If Marika was planning the Shattering from when Godfrey ...
who benefits from this? Why would Marika have it happen, if their goals were so opposed?
atomic marsh
HOWEVER
This means that two normal humans can give birth to an Empyrean
since Ranni isn't a "natural" demigod
languid tiger
i'm honestly not 100% sure on that one either
i'm still not certain that radagon's kids didn't retroactively become demigods
proven cloak
This means that two normal humans can give birth to an Empyrean
I mean Marika was one and came from somewhere
languid tiger
when he fused with marika
proven cloak
also the magic element, yeah
or they were always Demigods but not considered as such, because Radagon is Marika (and this isnt known)
languid tiger
but also we do see the hornsent grandam, who's still explicitly an empyrean
atomic marsh
wait fucking what
proven cloak
Theres also the other read of ||Trina, that shes "Miquella's Love" in a romantic sense||, which might apply to Radagon
her name is (was? idk if it got patched) Empyrean Grandam in some items
(I think it means she was a grandma to Empyreans but Fromsoft Lore™️)
frozen olive
(I think it means she was a grandma *to* Empyreans but Fromsoft Lore™️)
That was my read also
grave plinth
||Messmer is described as being born of “an affair that gave rise to gold” in believe, which implies that Marika at some point had an extramarital tryst with Radagon, which is an odd way to word things if they began as a single entity||
proven cloak
||But its also depicting whatever she did at the divine gate, and claims 'so too was shadow born' - I think its refering less to the birth of any of her children, and more the birth of the Erdtree||
||affair as 'series of events' instead of 'sex'||
though ||Messmer was also old enough to be as / an older brother to Radahn, so there was probably something going on out of Lordship between them||
Radagon did 'come out of nowhere' according to Miriel
which is also what the base game says of Saint Trina
atomic marsh
Yeah Messmer being the oldest child chronologically, seemingly, throws everything for a loop
signal harness
I've heard a relatively compelling theory that Radagon is some aspect of herself that Marika cast off
atomic marsh
Yeah we've been discussing it
signal harness
Ah ok, I wasn't sure what the start was
atomic marsh
The two main camps people are in is largely "Was Radagon ever a normal man and thus fused with Marika" or "Was he ultimately only just a facet of Marika that was removed"
proven cloak
I lean towards the second
but its weird
theres also the D-twins, which draw a parallel with R/M
1 soul, two bodies, never standing together - only accepted by the GO
so Radagon and Marika are 2 souls, one body?
atomic marsh
As the husband of Rennala of Caria, the red-haired Radagon studied sorcery, and as the husband of Queen Marika, he studied incantations. Thus did the hero aspire to be complete.
What the fuck did this mean
modest berry
He was going for the platinum trophy
atomic marsh
Also apparently the lore about Radagon reforging the greatsword is different in Japanese
And it makes it sound like he made it as a reminder of the Dark Moon Sword as an affection for his time with Rennala
atomic plinth
Be nice if you could get two of the same item from duped remembrances
Given how limited the remembrance duping is it doesn't feel like it'd really be too strong
warped quest
yeah theres not even that many choices it would actully be useful on
the entire list of stuff i could see being reasonable useful is
grafted dragon, giants red briad, and hand of maleina
atomic plinth
For me it was Rellana's twin blades
Was wanting to powerstance them so I could have two of the light greatswords rather than an LGS and a longsword
The longsword part is nice, but the LGS part is nicer
warped quest
i have no idea how that works with that weapons specificly
atomic plinth
...ah, dammit, left hand weapon will always be the fire blade apparently
Oh well, it's not AWFUL by any means
warped quest
what is the powerstanced moveset
is it the same on the twin swords as normal
or does it have its own
atomic plinth
If you power stance it with itself it's the same as the regular twin swords moveset yeah
obtuse halo
it is interesting that you can wield it in the left or right hand for faith or int scaling respectively, though
warped quest
what happens if you powerstance it with milady and try to use its art
obtuse halo
I honestly have no idea, but usually stance arts will sheathe whatever's in your other hand
atomic marsh
WAIT
Okay
hold on
||What the FUCK is Malekith then?||
||If Marika is just a normal human shaman, how is Malekith her "half-brother"?||
proven cloak
afaik ||in japanese its closer to 'blood-brother' / uses the same words as Blaidd being a 'step-brother'||
trail sail
||If Marika is just a normal human shaman, how is Malekith her "half-brother"?||
||I mean, she's a normal human shaman up until she becomes a God, at which point the Two Fingers (at least that's who Ranni says provides them) give her a "shadow" as her bodyguard. Gods/empyreans seem to form very close bonds with their shadows, since Iji also refers to Blaaid as becoming like a brother to Ranni||
atomic marsh
||Yes but the description in English is that they are literally siblings||
trail sail
||Yes but the description in English is that they are literally siblings||
||I mean, it's Elden Ring; I think taking it at literal face value considering everything else is not really gonna lead anywhere||
atomic plinth
Lmao what a name
...well, that's Malenia down
Not a lot else to do in this playthrough
Suppose I'll look and see if there's any weapons or armor I wanna grab before I head into NG+2
mighty warren
Oh yeah have i shared this one yet? SOTE final boss spoilers
||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N68yTvbnOJk||
kind garden
Lmao what a name
what is this helmet
atomic plinth
The helmet that creature's wearing?
kind garden
aye
atomic plinth
Shadow militia
kind garden
thx
atomic plinth
Of course
...so apparently
I was wearing my gold scarab talisman during the Malenia fight
Lmao
Netted me some extra cash I guess
left willow
Early game dungeon bosses become a JOKE with palm blast. Like, wtf?
left willow
the vulgar militia joined the shadow wizard money gang
They hate me castin spells
obtuse halo
oh wow. Rellana's armor actually goes pretty well with blue silver mail
which is nice because blue silver mail has always been a nice set that's hard to color match with anything else
left willow
more things to go with the programmer socks hat :)
kind garden
oh, people do that yeah
raw coral
Funny
kind garden
it's a bit
slender loom
Okay, took a few days away, changed up my build for the final dlc boss, and on my first try with said new build got to phase 2, while only using ashes and npcs, for the first time! I’ve only seen it once while helping with a different build
Definitely need more practice with this kit though
left willow
Genuine Question: Why the heck are Dry Leaf Arts so effective in early game Limgrave?
median rock
the weapon or skill
warped quest
probally ebcause they didn't expect you to have it then
median rock
both are pretty good against anything with low stagger-resistance
warped quest
i do think the stats on some of the dlc weapons are slightly higher than average in the base game
median rock
not poise but like. whatever number covers the hitstun effect
warped quest
ive noticed a lot have better guard
left willow
Like, I'm just stomping some dungeons, but a full-charged PB is doing like 1/3 of boss hps at 14str/14dex and one or two full light combos staggers most bosses
median rock
is this NG+? or dropped item
left willow
Dropped item
atomic plinth
Genuine Question: Why the *heck* are Dry Leaf Arts so effective in early game Li...
It's Limgrave
EVERYTHING is effective there
left willow
It's Limgrave
To some degree, yes. But I'm having a MUCH easier time at a lower level than sorceries or a dex polearm build
median rock
the stagger on them definitely punches above their weight, i feel
left willow
heh, punches
Your riding heavy with the DLA is also just an open hand slap, which is 💯
kind garden
NG++
atomic plinth
This is no joking matter, it's RICK, mightiest of foes in all the Lands Between
I barely made it out of there alive
(Read: I mulched 75% his health with a Comet and finished him off with a parry)
...man is it ever nice to not see a sky full of fire
stone cove
Or a meme?
Rick, Solider of God is a running joke
since he's a totally generic troop given bombastic boss music
left willow
Rick, Solider of God is a running joke
I know that. Wamly's picture just contained dlc gear and he doesn't respawn, so I was wondering if Wam was on ng+ or had just not done the tutorial for the express purpose of the meme
stone cove
Oooh
grave plinth
Beat the Red Bear
stone cove
Yay!
stone cove
OMF WTF ahahaha
you know that supuid
annoying
obnoxious Spira spell?
teh one that gets spammed form underneath you?
you can parry it with carrian retilation
grave plinth
Looool
obtuse halo
Amazing
stone cove
I'm belruit towers praciting my parries on things
kind garden
oh, nice
obtuse halo
Eeeeeeh
stone cove
trying to parry the bloody Big cleaver shadows
It seems pretty whatever as a player incant
too easily dodged
hilariousyl, the Horncalling AoW are very good
kind garden
mm, damn
obtuse halo
Yeah it’s mostly just there
kind garden
yeah Horncalling goes insane
I did a build with Horncalling Storm for pvping just to give it a whirl with all the +storm effects
and uh
it went fucking berserk insano
stone cove
Stompstompstomp
kind garden
I was mulching ganking parties with it
stone cove
Also i have pretty much got parrying Horned warriors down reliably
it's very satisfying =3
Even the dual wield ones!
and tehre silly spin to win combo!
(You have to wait to right till their hand slows as they're drawing it back - when it's bacially come to a stop they're about acclerate foward and that's when you hit parry)
and BAM
left willow
Is melee just.... easier for early game than sorcery?
obtuse halo
It really depends on the fight
stone cove
like sorcery incant has the infamous "I cast comet azure and the boss does not get to play"
mighty warren
I should try and finagle that ancient meteoric blade back into my build, i remember loving the shit out of it
stone cove
and melee has "Club. I cast club."
median rock
i think early early game, sorcery struggles a lot with trying to get decent fp amounts to use
obtuse halo
Mohg is significantly harder in melee than with even a bow imo
stone cove
Really?
He's kinda a joke to me >.>
he has no poise, no real melee reistances
he just folds
median rock
since you run out of FP super quick if you have like 5-6 flasks total, and only 15 or so mind
stone cove
Big ol' blood sack to stab
median rock
and you don't have the damage to offset that yet
obtuse halo
Yeah bow run slaughtered mohg but i had actual trouble with him on my dex fighter
stone cove
Also early game you are up against static defences
stone cove
which really hurt split damage early
kind garden
within ambiguous cast / spear attack range
kind garden
this is on purpose, because from soft bosses train you to linger in that rangeband
stone cove
but late game you start getting so many stacking damage modifers, and resitances manage to overshoot
so suddenly multihit spells go nuts
and single target dmaage does start to fall off
left willow
so.... "probably, but not for all fights"?
stone cove
but melee generally stays good because AoW abuse
I... honestly ithink it is overall easir ofr everything
but also like
hwo to put
the entire theme of the game is that the Tarnished is not static.
We keep moving foward
we loose to malenia with our fancy footwork?
We come back with a club, junmp her thrust, and introduce her head to the pavement
left willow
I... honestly ithink it is overall easir ofr everything
Counterpoint: maybe it's a skill issue on your part 
stone cove
(Malenia is infamously very easily killed by jump pancaking her with various attacks)
obtuse halo
Bow build comically slaughtered mohg though it was hilarious. Two tries and the first was a mutual kill
Also Godfrey, oddly
left willow
Bow build is so damn hard
stone cove
Counterpoint: maybe it's a skill issue on your part <:joke:897581908576338052>
It;'s true, i am better than you =3
obtuse halo
Malenia, Gideon, Malekith, Fire Giant…all of these took a fair few attempts tho
left willow
It;'s true, i am better than you =3
true
left willow
Also Godfrey, oddly
oh yeah
Godfrey with my poison and bleed arrows?
Cakewalk
Took me two tries
obtuse halo
Yeah i just gutted him first try
left willow
And that's just cause I didn't have my bleed arrows the first time
obtuse halo
After dozens of deaths to gideon it was rather refreshing
left willow
Yeah i just gutted him first try
Oh, wait wait
Not Godfrey, Godrick
That's who I trashed
obtuse halo
Godrick took a few tries because i was still getting good with the bow moveset
stone cove
It's the same but with more lion killing and angry roaring
left willow
Totally fair
stone cove
tbh i can see it though, Godfrey seems very vulernable to jum,ping arrow attacks
obtuse halo
that was also the run where I learned that Godrick's wind moves deflect arrows
they can hit you
his storm stomp is actually an arrow shield that sends them flying right back at you
left willow
his storm stomp is actually an arrow shield that sends them flying right back at...
If oyu time it right, you can do the same with Zamor Storm
obtuse halo
lmao nice
I wish there was a way to buy stormwing feathers, then maybe I could actually use stormhawk arrows
left willow
I think the same is true with Stormstomp things
obtuse halo
that'd be cool
apparently they're boosted by the divine beast talisman, which I think is really funny
"It has storm in the name, I guess it counts"
obtuse halo
there's at least a pretty decent farming spot near the first grace
but yeah it's bad
kind garden
Extremely fair Miriam's Vanishing combos #1: vanish into Inescapable Frenzy
stone cove
Bahahaha
The conseumable discussion always fascinates me
esp the psychological trap of "I if u se it, iwont have it to use later"
it's a huge problem for people!
(i'm very sympathetic to it
It's just a very interesting psyhcological *thing8
kind garden
another skill solution tier warp cast is to teleport into the AoE burst of Placidusax's Ruin
left willow
it's a *huge* problem for people!
I've found exactly 1 consumable that I 👀 about wanting to use but also spooked about using
left willow
The best chance is 15% at 100 discovery
So at 10 arcane with the silver scarab hat (+75) and the silver bud tender (+60) you'd have a 235 discovery which makes drop rate...
(.15 * 2.35) / (1 - .15 + .15 * 2.35) = .29313929313 or about 29% chance of dropping the stupid feather
warped quest
yeah comsumabnles are stupid compared to their non conmsaule counterparts
weaker, often require the same state investment, and require lots of farming for regular use
firepots being the main exception
stone cove
yeah comsumabnles are stupid compared to their non conmsaule counterparts
I dont fully agree. THe way i see it, there's like... 4 categorieso f conseumable
obtuse halo
Pots are pretty good in general
warped quest
a lot of it could be fixed just by letting is actully buy the matrials at reasonable prices
stone cove
There are the reaosnble ones that provide a short, useful effect, and shouldnt really be something you always have acess too.
Silver Horn Tenders and Gold Horn Tenders are great examples here.
There is the stuff you should be able to rely on, but can't. A lot of the cracked pot and other crafting items are here
There's the stuff that the fact it's a conseuamble isnt a problem, it's the everything else - Rune Arcs
warped quest
i honestly think it would be better if they just drasitcly boosted the item find in general and the silver conusmables didn't exist
obtuse halo
Also a few oddballs like crystal darts, cuckoo Glintstones, and spark aromatics
stone cove
(where the issue is that Great Runes are binary, and that's what sucks)
warped quest
nobody liked the coins in 2
stone cove
And then there's stuff you can buy - Kurki, other throwing knives
these are fine
My personal soloution would be to basically try and split things up into three categories, plus a rework to rune arcs
warped quest
at release i think a lot of the berrings you got from bell hunter had the items 2-3 times their current price
stone cove
Category one: Reuseable crafting items. THese would work off the Cracked Pot Logic.
Eg across t he game you can find Eternal Scorching Butterflies - buit only, say 20 of them.
So if you wanna make 20 Fire pots, sweet, you have 20 fire pots, but you aren't making any Fire Grease or whatever until you use up those fire pots.
Horn Tenders, etc, i'd leave alone (and just move the fowl feet etc into this case, and make sure they're reasonbly generous)
Some crafting materials i'd shift oiver to being stuff you can simply purchase for runes at reasonble prices, in infinite quanities
left willow
I would personally let people buy or craft quivers with the associated effects, rather than buying or crafting individual arrows
warped quest
i really dislike how low the arrow limits are
when they were 999 nobody was going "wow this is so overpowered"
stone cove
QUivers are a great idea, and you can always make it so they auto-regenrate or something if you wanna keep stuff like Spread shot in check
(Eg so you cannot just shotgun bolts willynilly)
left willow
i really dislike how low the arrow limits are
Oh, interesting, I've never tapped a full arrow pool, but maybe in later encounters it might come up
stone cove
and rune arc's i'd rework so that a:
Great Runes have an always on passive effect (say godricks always givies you +2 to all your stats), while Rune arcs are something that you can use, the use animation is super fast, and they give you a dramatic power u p for a short window
(Eg Godricks suddenly boosts all your stats by 20, but it's only for like 30s or something, and has some other effects. Basically an OH SHI that's awesome power up)
Though in genral i would rather avoid "maintence" buffs - Buffs are better if they're somethign you weave into combos, and are balanmmced around those expeations
the current state of buffs is just awkard
obtuse halo
i really dislike how low the arrow limits are
Yeah this has been the real bane for bow only
I have absolutely run completely out of arrows in some fights
atomic plinth
Wish this helmet didn't have the chess piece on top, it's so fucking good looking otherwise
warped quest
there was not a good reason to reduce them ever
atomic plinth
Thought I suppose the chess piece gives it character
obtuse halo
Even the 600 storage limit has bitten me in the ass a few times, as i chew through my stock at a stake of marika and end up having to leave the dungeon
warped quest
in the game they first reduced them bows were at their weakest not worth using even for utility
i think the only time i ever used a bow in 3 was to aggro or snipe something off a cliff
spring marlin
there are a lot of consumables which are common enough to stack some 30 of but just rare enough that the hoarding instinct kicks in
theoretically infinite but a huge pain to farm, so they're functionally limited
sacramental buds, arteria leaves, rune arcs as previously noted
string was also a huge one but at least that one got a bell bearing in the dlc
left willow
theoretically infinite but a huge pain to farm, so they're functionally limited
Storm arrows
obtuse halo
yeeeep
spring marlin
oooof, yeah that's a big one in the ammo side
atomic plinth
I know there's one Arteria Leaf plant near the First Step grace, so there's that to consider
It's not quick by any means but it's at least easy to farm
obtuse halo
Arteria leaves don't respawn.
in the world.
The only renewable source is the hoary frost trolls in Flame Peak, which drop them at 30%
stone cove
Yeah, arteria leaves are very goofy given the best use of them
is a buff you want to keep casting
for the bubble
left willow
The only renewable source is the hoary frost trolls in Flame Peak, which drop th...
Hey, no slut shaming
obtuse halo
Ditto Aeonian Butterflies, which are an 8% drop from Rot Basilisks and a 1% drop from Kindred of Rot and otherwise nonrenewable
atomic plinth
Ditto Aeonian Butterflies, which are an 8% drop from Rot Basilisks and a 1% drop...
...okay that's flat out untrue, I keep running into respawning aeonian butterflies
left willow
Again: There's a reason I think that "Quivers" instead of individual arrows make a huge amount of sense
obtuse halo
i would love to know where, because I assure you they do not respawn in any of my tests
left willow
...okay that's flat out untrue, I keep running into respawning aeonian butterfli...
Aeonian Butterfly found in the overworld do not respawn after resting at a site of grace.
obtuse halo
and if there's a non-cancerous source of rot arrows, I would like to know
obtuse halo
honestly I wish specifically the ones in Malenia's boss lobby respawned
would avoid making rot arrows universal in the earlygame but would allow easy gathering for later
left willow
and if there's a non-cancerous source of rot arrows, I _would like to know_
Preach
spring marlin
then there's the just plain weird ones like black key bolts and golem great arrows
covert schooner
Black Key Bolts are totally unique right
frail sky
I swear to god I remember seeing recurring groups of those things
They tend to spawn in massive enough groups that it's easy to miss some the first time around
covert schooner
Like you can never get more
obtuse halo
yeah there's a flat limited number of them in the game
spring marlin
that's correct
left willow
would avoid making rot arrows universal in the earlygame but would allow easy ga...
I mean, if the material needed to craft a "Rot-Soaked Quiver" was a post-Radahn drop, I'd allow it
spring marlin
that many per new game cycle
obtuse halo
golem great arrows are farmable but absolutely awful to farm
languid tiger
now
golem's magic arrows are worse
because they only fucking drop from the two golems on the way to the great-jar
and there are zero other sources of them in the game, even in single nonrenewable bundles
frail sky
yeah there's a flat limited number of them in the game
I think ds2 had something similar with bleed arrows, but at least there you could use bonfire ascetics and also bleed was terrible in ds2
frail sky
golem's *magic* arrows are worse
Those exist?
kind garden
extremely obscure ammo
languid tiger
yep
left willow
then there's the just plain weird ones like black key bolts and golem great arro...
Black-Key Bolt is a special ammunition that cannot be crafted but a total of 90 are found throughout the game.
This is so gross to me for some reason
Like, if they're so powerful that players can't even get a full stack, why are they in the game at all to start with?
spring marlin
all that nonsense basically turned me away from crafting & arrow type stuff for the whole game. only throwable i used consistently were crystal darts because those are piss easy to make
languid tiger
they're okay
rotbone bolts are good
and they're strictly better rotbones
but like
not by a massive margin
left willow
40 damage, 100 crit, have some degree of ap, and 60 rot
atomic plinth
Rotbones have like 5 less buildup
covert schooner
Yeah
atomic plinth
It's a difference so minuscule it baffles me why Black Keys are so rare
covert schooner
Idk, I think it’s fine that they’re really limited
Just cause it’s like
A flavor thing
And they’re not actually important
stone cove
They're basically a flavor thing\
like Emily said
my actual objection to Black key bolts is it creates a Cheaters Prosper issue
covert schooner
?
covert schooner
Mhm
stone cove
but have zero kind of checking that you can dump them in via cheat engine
Or do save backup shennagins if you're on ps5
Marika Blessings are another one
stone cove
This has been somewhat ameroliated by the update to colissuem making it so invaders get their items refunded
Eh, i dont agree they're werid as hell
A ton of From's odder decisions make sense when you realize they're very Watsonian in how they do stuff
that is, they do narrative first.
and everything is internally coherent for narrative reasons
Mariak's blessing are limited because marika only made a few of them
stone cove
Now, from a game design pov, it's werid as fuck and creates issues
and it's endlessly fascainting to me
stone cove
but like that friciton point is i think part of why their games have so much charm for people
covert schooner
There’s never gonna be an issue where like
stone cove
even if i dont see people always recongizing it
covert schooner
Your build doesn’t work because you ran out of Marika’s blessings
So I don’t really care on that end
It’s stuff like blood vials that make me legit mad lol
stone cove
Yeah, it's only the "Too Precious to Use" psycholigcal trap, and the cheaters prosper parts that bug me
Iirc, blood vials were the estus equiv
except you had to farm them?
or somethign insane?
(I never played Blodoborne)
covert schooner
Yes
spring marlin
all that nonsense basically turned me away from crafting & arrow type stuff for ...
it was that and like holy water pots to cheese a deathbird once
covert schooner
They replenished on rest but FROM your stockpile
So you could basically run into a situation where you’re doing too bad and are punished with mindless grinding
spring marlin
funnily enough mimic tears copying what's in your item bar has cropped up with some people giving it marika's blessing. would make me incredibly paranoid about misclicking but it exists
covert schooner
Yeah
It’s pretty strong like that
But honest at that point I say use the meat dumplings
stone cove
I've done it!
and sucsceuflly accdinetally drunk my blessing too 😄
covert schooner
They also do massive healing and aren’t at risk of disappearing forever lol
(The mimic is immune to poison)
spring marlin
huh, it is?
stone cove
I need to rember those things exist, lol
spring marlin
thought it'd have the same status resistances as the player
stone cove
Also the dlc added the really good craftable fp restoerer
covert schooner
At the very least it can’t poison itself
spring marlin
ah
left willow
Me when sharks are smooth:
spring marlin
the biggest draw of the dlc for me wasn't the cool bosses or the fashion or the lore or the new open world it was the talisman that regenerates fp
left willow
the biggest draw of the dlc for me wasn't the cool bosses or the fashion or the ...
It's so damn good
stone cove
I keep waffling on it
becuase it's good
but also slow
but also good
but also
slow
left willow
.5 / sec
left willow
Restores 1 point of Focus every 2 seconds (0.5 FP per second) when equipped.
No record of a nerf
covert schooner
Wild okay
stone cove
Also, lol, apparnetly the reason why Gold Horn Tenders are hard to get
are because the enemeys who drop them are bugged
and don't respect item drop
even setting it to max via cheat engine will not make them drop it
(consistneyl)
while any other enemey will vomit all it's drops
very funny