Elden Ring (DLC hype room)

[atomic plinth]

That's true

I'm not complaining about it, mind, I just found it kinda strange

[languid tiger]

honestly i could see it as a greataxe too

by shape and moveset

[atomic plinth]

Yeah a greataxe would make a decent amount of sense

[languid tiger]

and cleavers do often go under axe or greataxe, even

[real shadow]

Greathammer moveset just to satisfy no one

[atomic plinth]

...honestly, it's one of my favorite weapon designs, it's really unique

[languid tiger]

it's cool

and hits like a fist from god

[atomic plinth]

Yeah it's really good

Even with a frost infusion

[warped quest]

it has insane block too

its one of the few weapons that has good guard on par or better than many shields

[languid tiger]

yeah

that's its "real" gimmick

which is crazy considering how good it is just

as a normal CGS

81 phys with reasonable elementals and 62 fuckin guard

[mellow silo]

Speaking of weird catagorization... Why is the Longhaft Death Knight Axe a Greataxe and not a Halberd

[atomic plinth]

I mean, it IS a massive slab of metal

Makes sense that it'd make a decent shield

[atomic plinth]

Seconded, it has the profile of a halberd and everything

[warped quest]

because its based on a weapon from the base game

[languid tiger]

it would make some sense as a halberd

but it'd be funny to see it as a halberd with like

most of the greataxe moveset

[warped quest]

theres a few dlc weapons that are just upgraded versions of base weapons

[languid tiger]

the longhafts def aren't that tho

the base longhaft axe is fucking bonkers

[warped quest]

thw twins are based on stomrhawk axe

[languid tiger]

highest range, adds more armor than other greataxes, iirc highest damage at all stats as well

it's just fucking cracked

[languid tiger]

yeah, same overall design

[warped quest]

vlvet is just a slightly adjusted st trina sword

more mage less sleep

[languid tiger]

although stormhawks are distinctly different

from dk twins

i gotta do a death knight run

[stoic sleet]

Actually "completely blunt greatsword that uses the greathammer moveset" would be a hilarious game-mechanical gag

[mellow silo]

Improbably Dense Knife
Dagger that has a Colossal Weapon moveset

[warped quest]

do you have to summon for the final boss to get npc items

[frozen olive]

no

[warped quest]

is it just me or is the hitboxes on the boss really jank

[frozen olive]

i had zero problems with it

[warped quest]

ive been hit multiable times by just nothing physically hitting me

[frozen olive]

i've had that problem only once

which was some complete bug fuckery

otherwise it's been perfectly reasonable

[frail sky]

aiui some of the hit boxes are just flat out jank

[warped quest]

i think its aweful so far

[frail sky]

Like, not pursuer levels of jank but still pretty jank

[frozen olive]

huh

i never had a problem with it

[warped quest]

i think its worse

purseuer has one attack its bad for and it has a long windup with a really noticablae tell

[proven cloak]

they're a little jank yeah

he's got the ds3 extendo-hitboxes

[warped quest]

its so bad most of my attmpets end under 2k damage done

[proven cloak]

sword stops a ways before the hitbox does

[frozen olive]

surprising to hear cause i never had problems with it during the fight

[warped quest]

also i love being hit while geting back up in a way you just cant dodge the next attack

[proven cloak]

you can see it really easily on these moves:

[warped quest]

0-100 in one attack

[proven cloak]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adU0HMKjDoM||

[proven cloak]

I don't really think its a problem tbh, but its noticable

[warped quest]

this is not a well thought out boss

[frozen olive]

in what sense?

[frozen olive]

suppose so

[warped quest]

i keep being killed by this combo

||sword hit that send you up then hits you again>Starcaller>into the groundslam pillars||

kills me at full hp

[languid tiger]

i think you have to summon once

but not on the final attempt

[languid tiger]

yeah that one fucking sucks and i think it's bad

[proven cloak]

^ thats what I did and I got items still

not sure if you get them if you dont summon at all

[languid tiger]

||well, not the ragdoll part||

||but he'll do starcaller -> lightspeed -> starcaller||

||which fucking murders you instantly, and imo that just desperately needs to be more interactable||

[warped quest]

heres that thing about the combo because im getting back up from the preivous attack

[languid tiger]

yeah, same

[warped quest]

its makes the next one completely undodgable

even geting to pahse 2 feels impossible

this is how much damage most attempts go

[languid tiger]

unfort

it took me a couple days to lock in, too

[warped quest]

i liked the dlc for the most part but theres a few bosses that feel like

"if you don't use this build you will not ever have fun ever"

[kind garden]

Something I have learned is that the Golden Order in Japanese is called the same thing that literally means the golden rule, in the same sense of reciprocity

||ie if you genocide me, I’ll genocide you||

[languid tiger]

huh

interesting

[frail sky]

I did have some success with going full tank to speed through phase one, but hard swapping back to something sensible for phase 2 made it not really worth it

[frozen olive]

it puts way more of an emphasis on learning the fights really well or using the games tools to make up for it

definitely doable if you want to just pure skill it

but it will take longer since the final boss is really quite difficult

[warped quest]

i actully found phase 2 more manageable

[proven cloak]

I didn't use a shield, but even two-handing I was relying on blocking some hits

pure dodging seems miserable vs. him

[warped quest]

it does feel like blocking got a lot of nice toys in the dlc compared to dodging

bring back ninja flip

[proven cloak]

I need to try out the deflect tear next time

I spent like 4-5 minutes trying to kill a furnance golem the first time and then just couldn't be bothered

only really took out the ||pot-in-head|| ones

[stone cove]

@warped quest can you post your build? Stats, talismans, armor?

Because you should not be getting 100'd to 0, he hurts but not that much

[warped quest]

its mainly that one movie combo that does

[stone cove]

Well that's why I'm asking post your build, there might be something you're missing that's causing you to take crazy damage

[old brook]

Might be that Counterhit damage thing too

well I guess that's just pierce

[stone cove]

Yeah, he doesn't do Pierce

[frozen olive]

i was stacking defense like crazy personally

[old brook]

I swore you took more damage during some stuff :Tc

[warped quest]

they specific combo that was 0-100% me was the ||upswing>downsing(cant be dodged cause midair)>starcaller(cant be dodged due to get up animation)>slam which is pretty hard to dodge||

[old brook]

The ||Gravity Bubble shouldn't exist and I stand by that||

[stone cove]

You should have Dragoncrest Greatshield & Probably Golden Braid.

Opaline Hardtear in your physick is another 15% across the board, a big boost. Windy cracked tear is free light rolls for 3 minutes no matter your equip load

He's very vulnerable to just being blocked. Brass shield or a greatshield of your choice

[old brook]

Windy lasts three minutes? Dang

[warped quest]

i was doing dragoncrest, and crab when this was happending im saving the opaline for phase 2

[old brook]

I thought it was one of those super brief sorts

[frozen olive]

i used opaline bubbletear and hardtear personally

[stone cove]

If you're getting hit in midair your sounds like you're just overcommitting every time

[mighty warren]

Nah there is an upswing attack that launches you

[stone cove]

Bubbles only really worth to let you get off a big spell or similar

[mighty warren]

that's what they mean by midair hit

i think

[warped quest]

yeah

[mighty warren]

yeah it's not airborne by choice

[frozen olive]

lets you live a hit

[stone cove]

Weird, I don't think I remember that and I've cleared the fight twice

[frozen olive]

it's free

i had aromatics as well

[warped quest]

i think i would like hardtear if it had like a threshold

[frozen olive]

never know when being immortal to one attack is going to mean being immortal to one attack that is the difference between losing and winning

[stone cove]

When it costs a physick slot that could be Windy, Thorny, or similar it's not free

[old brook]

I've seen ||Ansbach|| get it p often but he never hits me with it for some reason

[mighty warren]

It's a thing, i've dodged it consistently so i never really got hit but it's a true combo

though the combo should end after the downswing, never saw it go further

[frozen olive]

i don't need those though

so it is free

[warped quest]

hardtear should only trigger if you would lose at laeast 25-50% hp in a hit

[stone cove]

That's bubble tear

[warped quest]

it goes off on any hit correct

[old brook]

Yeah the Perfumers buff is so much better than ours

[stone cove]

Hardtear is a global 15% resist for 3 minutes

[old brook]

I hate when they get that off

[warped quest]

yeah sorry the names are wierd

but i dislike the bubbletear because anything can break it even an attack that does 1 damage

[stone cove]

Anyway, try blocking more. Use hefty rotpots

[old brook]

The trick with this boss is that everything does 70% of a lifebar

So the bubble is nice

[frozen olive]

well, for my money, that boss does not do one damage ever

[covert schooner]

yeah a greatshield is crazy good for this fight

[frozen olive]

in fact it usually does one third or more of the health bar with any given attack

so it's pretty nifty to be able to survive stuff like that

[mighty warren]

... i'll be honest i am unsure how i'm so much tankier than the folk here, they do a quarter at best for me

[covert schooner]

what are you wearin

[old brook]

I don't do 60 vig and the heaviest armor I've ever worn is Vykes

[mighty warren]

Mixed set, banished knight helm, cleanrot chest, death knight gauntlets, and malformed dragon legs

[covert schooner]

that's pretty heavy

[mighty warren]

i keep a medium load without any equip load boosts

[stone cove]

That's only true if you've got crippled resistance.

[mighty warren]

I sit at 50 vigor myself

[old brook]

Or using mild hyperbole

[covert schooner]

50 vig is straight up necessary in ER

even base game

that's nothing new in the dlc

[old brook]

Vigor shouldn't be a stat tbh

[stone cove]

For a boss fight this hard, I don't think you should be using hyperbole

[covert schooner]

I kinda agree yeah

it's really weird

[stone cove]

Yeah, vigor sucks as a start

[frozen olive]

i used a mix of solitude and fire knight

[warped quest]

i don't agree about vigor not being a stat

[covert schooner]

but yeah, greatshield and braid talismans are really good, if you can get a source of regen, imo that'sa big help

[stone cove]

It's a non choice though.

[warped quest]

its abosutelty a choice to go with less to put more into damage

[mighty warren]

Yeah i uh
it's certainly a take is all i'll say

[old brook]

The choice is so minor though

You need a certain amount to not literally die in one hit

[covert schooner]

I mean heres the thing

[stone cove]

50, 55 and 60 are the only meaningful choices

[covert schooner]

yeah

[warped quest]

one thing i do think should have been added to dlc is the dlc should have added more scared tears

[stone cove]

Otherwise you're doing challenge run never get hit shit

[covert schooner]

I think 40 vigor is the bare minimum to not actually get oneshot by later game enemies

[old brook]

DLC will getcha at 40

At least a few moves

[covert schooner]

oh for sure

[stone cove]

But for 90% of players? Have 60 vigor. For the remaining 9% they can play at 50-55

[mighty warren]

Yay i'm in the 9%

[frozen olive]

DLC assumes that you are ready for the heavy shit so it comes out swinging

not much to it

[old brook]

( 60 vigor is also wrong the big hits need to feel big )

[stone cove]

The last 1% are not people your game design should be catering too, they'll find ways to get their jollies anyway

[frozen olive]

the Ongbals of the world who will fight the last boss with RL1, no scadu blessing and not get hit once

[mighty warren]

But yeah iunno
i'm not one to partake in talks of balance a ton, i just work with whatever fromsoft's done myself

|| i will say they really have got to chill on bosses that fuck your frames, a 4060 should not be slugging||

[stone cove]

The net result of vigor as it is is that not investing is a trap. There's a huge boring part of any character where the optimal play is "and now sink all your levels into vigor for the next 40+" levels

[covert schooner]

for what its worth it wasnt even just bosses for me, this dlc is defnitely pushing the hardware in general

[old brook]

I just level damage for fun and then respec into commendable hp later lmao

[stone cove]

The structure of vigor and how it ramps up exacerbates this issue

[mighty warren]

It was one attack that ever fucked my frames, otherwise the whole dlc is perfect

[frozen olive]

i'm really fucking surprised ||you are having frame problems at all in the dlc if you are using a 4060. I never had any issues at all running it with my 2060||

[mighty warren]

and you know the attack if you fought the final boss

[warped quest]

i do think some people forget how many stuff is easy to get that gives damage resist

[old brook]

I had a few framedrops in the world

But the bosses themselves fine

[frozen olive]

and i am running it at max settings

[stone cove]

Like everyone in here who complains about hosts just fucking dying in boss fights?

It's cos they have no vigor

[frozen olive]

RTX off, of course

[mighty warren]

|| it's just miquella's light, nothing else has||

[frozen olive]

literally no problems at any point

[covert schooner]

anyway, when it comes down to it

[frozen olive]

yeah this did not give me issues at all, huh

[covert schooner]

no shame in summoning if you want toust get the fight over with

[stone cove]

And the interaction between between vigor and defence means that an extra 100 is actually often more like an extra 600 hp

[mighty warren]

shrug, it's also only when looking at it which you're likely not doing

[old brook]

When it comes down to it, ||Romina|| deserved a cutscene

[frozen olive]

i mean, i was, blocked it with my shield

kinda just stand there and eat the hit since it was the easiest thing to do

[mighty warren]

Then i don't fucking know.

[covert schooner]

most people being summoned for this fight are good at it

[frozen olive]

this is true

[covert schooner]

idk, i had performance issues in the gaols

in the dlc

[mighty warren]

Also I stand by my taylew recommendation

[frozen olive]

if you wanna summon someone for the final boss, people who are there usually are pretty good

[stone cove]

Anyway, re: beating the final boss, penguins guide to getting it done

[frozen olive]

i did Jolly Co-operation personally

[mighty warren]

he has such a small health bar and such big defense you can keep him up for so long as a support

[covert schooner]

specific hardware isn't just better than other hardware unfortunately, it usually has weird system to system quirks that effect yor performance

[frozen olive]

shoutout to Dogju for helping me beat the fight

[covert schooner]

ive seen people with low-req systems like

[stone cove]

/spoiler DLC final boss:
||
Grab a greatshield, or failing that the Brass shield. Make sure it's maxed out. Carian Thrusting Shield also very good, but isn't a 100% physical resist and needs you to be more proactive. 100% physical resist (or as close to in case of Carian thrusting shield),

Greatshield Talisman (Altus Plataue)
Pearlsecnet Shield Talisman (Southwest of Taylew's Ruined Forge site of grace, in a chest in the camp)
Curved Sword Talisman (In stormveil) or Spear Talisman (If you're using a CTS or a pokey weapon)
Double Headed Turtle Talisman/Turtle talisman to get your stamina back fast (remeber to drop your shield)

Make sure your Scadutree blessing is at least 15, and ideally get it to twenty.

Optional, but useful: Barricade as your AoW on your shield. If you're going guard counters, maybe keep a misericorde with the highest ar you can get as your off switch for critting him with. Shield Grease is also great as an alternativ if you can be arsed farming the materials.
Learn how to craft Hefty Rot Pots - you can get a bellbearing that sells you fly mold, and the otehr ingredient is easily farmed by riding around on torrent in the Ruah ruins area where you get the Hefty Rot Pot recipe.

Heavy armor. Don't even care if you're fat rolling, you're not planning to roll here. Though med rolls are also fine, you're mostly planning to endure shit. Opaline Hardtear in your physic. Deflecting Hardtear if you feel confident on reflexive blocking - Just block when you see na ttack coming and hold the block. if you get it right, hey, it minimizes the stamina loss and boosts your guard counter! if not, who even cares you still block.||

[covert schooner]

run something like mon hun world perfectly

[old brook]

Re: fighting the final boss: ffxiv just had a cool new expac

[frozen olive]

the only problem my pc had with the DLC at all was just

loading screens

they ended up being not insignificantly longer

but that was about it

[covert schooner]

I mean again, at that point just summon for it

[old brook]

My survival is important

[covert schooner]

but you should at least finish the dlc you paid for and sunk a miniumum of 40 hours into

imo

[old brook]

Not if i don't enjoy the last half hour

[stone cove]

||Start the fight by shoving a rot pot in the bosse's face (+1 pot per summon). Then bring your shield up and rain down hell on his ankles. In phase 2 it'll take 2 hefty rot pots to proc scarlet rot (+1 per summon), but given these will carve off 30% of his hp alone per rot proc, this is worth. If you're using a bleed weapon, bring Ansbach, as he does provide a lot of bleed pressure and the added boss hp is negated by the rot pots and bleed procs. Likewise, pick your ash to benefit - Dung Eater should do well here, being tanky and having a useful damage boosting debuff on the boss, as well as being decently physically resistant.

The boss cannot crit you if you g et stance broken, so just block everything you can, and if you get stance broken... block again asap, who the fuck cares.

Lord's Divine Fortification is a good body buff that'll also dramatically reduce incoming holy chip damage. Golden Vow also reduces damage taken and boosts damage done, while stacking. Casting all of this and summoning dung eater is very FP intensive, but hey. Feeling extra spicy? Forget about Lord's divine fortification and pop Ironjar Aromatic (They're both body buffs, so they dont stack).

Point of all this is that stacking resistances dramatically cuts your damage taken, and the boss is designed in such a way that he heavily punishes anything that's not perfect rolls... and is resultingly very weak to Just Fucking Tanking His Shit, or blocking it. Or parrying it.||

[covert schooner]

also fair warning aim, if you keep being snarky about the boss being bad im gonna start calling you bad at the game :3

its only fair play

[old brook]

I don't even wanna get into it

People don't like that I think it's not cool

[covert schooner]

then don't!

[stone cove]

I would say Aim, if you're not enjoying the last boss, you probably don't need to come and tell us every single time

[old brook]

I made a joke about ffxiv

Sheesh

[stone cove]

Like I have issues with the last boss design too, I think he's badly designed in a few areas

[mighty warren]

Hey uh, can we chill please? no need for everyone to beef

[frozen olive]

i still need to muster up the energy to get through the DLC on my og character

[covert schooner]

im not even gonna engage with it any more

[mighty warren]

Some folk don't like the boss, simple as

[frozen olive]

i wanna go fight the final boss solo

not sure if my sorc is up for it but i do want to try

[covert schooner]

ooo yeah sorc would be kinda rough

if you can nail the ranging on it though

i think it is doable

[frozen olive]

she's a carian cold sorcerer with DMGS

[proven cloak]

its rough but doable!

[frozen olive]

honestly i'll probably end up locking in by just using a sword and skilling it

[covert schooner]

oh, hey that's my base game build

or

[stone cove]

That seems really doable, honestly

[covert schooner]

not really the carian part

[frozen olive]

ironically the way i beat Malenia on that character was just

[mighty warren]

I went in somewhat solo with a bleed milady

|| Taylew does next to no damage so he was just a glorified smash punching bag, so damage was all me||

[old brook]

Honestly would say he's easier melee

[proven cloak]

after the first couple dozen deaths, I actually liked the final bosses rhythm a lot

[languid tiger]

i switched off all my other weapons to go back to the dmgs lmao

[frozen olive]

pulling out Flamberge and swording her to death

[languid tiger]

because it was just

the highest damage i had access to

[stone cove]

If you can reset the frost procs, it'll murk him pretty fast

[languid tiger]

parrying felt super rewarding

[frozen olive]

powerful stuff

[stone cove]

Parrying completely shuts down his combos, it's great

[frozen olive]

Royal Carian Sorceress, Cold Night Freyja, consort to Lunar Princes Ranni

[stone cove]

Like he just stops dead and is all "fuck, didn't see that coming"

[frozen olive]

gonna study Ongbals RL1 no blessing no hit run

probably will help with ideas for how to dodge stuff better

[stone cove]

And yeah, apologies. It gets exhausting when it turns into a negativity fest, and that's something I've been very guilty of contributing to as well

[frozen olive]

Ongbal is cracked for getting that in like, 4 days

[stone cove]

Did you see his frost vs fire one?

[mighty warren]

Trust me i get that, it's why i've been dodging D2 chats in the server a lot

[languid tiger]

it's time to break out the skill issue

[stone cove]

(D2? Dragons dogma 2?)

[mighty warren]

destiny 2

[frozen olive]

nah, i need to just look at all of Ongbals runs of the final boss

[stone cove]

Oooh

[languid tiger]

i only see people call dragon's dogma DD

just like darkest dungeon

[frozen olive]

honestly i've only seen one complaint i would not skill issue someone at about the final boss so far

which is that it's very visually intense

which i think is a fair criticism, it's very fucking bright for the latter half

[proven cloak]

now for me, its the CRUCIBLE KING drip:

[languid tiger]

my own one complaint, admittedly, can be skill issued - ||i think that there should be a reactable point somewhere in the middle of his starcaller -> lightspeed combo -> starcaller if you didn't dodge the first ground spikes, since the second and third pieces 0-to-death you, at least at the 50vig i was sitting at||

[frozen olive]

||which one is starcaller||

[languid tiger]

||i think it should be recoverable somewhere before the final hits in addition to having just the initial dodge||

[old brook]

||AoE Cow Scream||

[frozen olive]

ah

[languid tiger]

||the clash swords together and pull you adjacent -> gravity spikes where you are||

[frozen olive]

the only move i actually had trouble with was the ||one where he summons a ring of rocks around him with gravity magic that goes outwards||

i've never dodged that one

[old brook]

which.. ones that?

[languid tiger]

||that one (almost) always only comes after the starcall||

[real shadow]

||https://fixupx.com/Starbind_S/status/1815748712619974954|| Ansbach my goat

[covert schooner]

cow scream really got me

[languid tiger]

||it's the gravity spikes i'm talking about||

[frozen olive]

||he summons like a ring of rocks around him with gravity magic that expands outwards and can hit you multiple times||

[old brook]

||I thought that happened after his weird Gaius dive.. this man has too many rocks||

||we're on a very carefully constructed tower big guy calm down||

[languid tiger]

||it never happens after the dive, no||

[frozen olive]

||well he is a sorcerer after all, he's a master of gravity magic, even if Miquella summoned him before he hit his peak and became the Starscourge||

[languid tiger]

||dive doesn't have direct follow-ups in either phase||

[stone cove]

I think it's visually overturned, and too focused on punishing non perfect rolls, which makes it somewhat one note

[frozen olive]

it's a lot of stuff happening on screen at once

[old brook]

And then HAIR

[frozen olive]

and like, all of the phase 2 attacks are weird to dodge ||cause of Miquellas light bullshit||

so it's more difficult to learn what to do about all of them

[stone cove]

Yeah, that's part of what I mean that is over focused on punishing rolls

[frozen olive]

||you can't even really just dodge backwards, you always need to go like, diagonally to not be hit by the follow up||

[stone cove]

Because you can just block and he's a kitten relatively

It's very silly

[old brook]

Turns out Black Iron Tarkus had the right build all along

All this armor option an dodge rolling.. why even

[frozen olive]

you can actually just block it

pick up a shield and take zero damage

[left willow]

... why is there Round Table part 2: Lonely Boogaloo?

[frozen olive]

?

[languid tiger]

?

[old brook]

Like in Leyndell?

[frozen olive]

that's the Roundtable Hold

[stone cove]

I mean I legit think it's something of a bad design too go "here's the main defence method. Now we're going to punish you for using it unless you are perfect every single time.

[languid tiger]

ah, that's just the physical location the roundtable is based on

[frozen olive]

^

[languid tiger]

similar to the Hunter's Dream

and the old workshop

[old brook]

I'm still not sure what the Hold

Is

[frozen olive]

it's the actual real Roundtable Hold

[stone cove]

And at the same time have the boss be so vulnerable to just tank it etc

[old brook]

Handy pocket dimension for tarnished

[languid tiger]

the Roundtable is within the Erdtree's branches

[stone cove]

The roundtable appears to have been an actual organization that existed under Godfrey

[frozen olive]

it is slightly strange

oh yeah you know the ||gravity magic pull he does||

[old brook]

||that's Starcaller||

[frozen olive]

i actually ||had a bug that affected that attack like 60-70% of the time where it would just launch me across the arena, but not actually at Radahn||

[covert schooner]

honestly a don't mind this one fight where blocking has a significant edge

[old brook]

That was happening to me too and I cannot place what caused it

[stone cove]

I find it less strange and more an inevitable product of them having made the roll as strong as they did, then over compensating for that, rather than redressing the base issues that nesscictated that strong roll

[old brook]

Seemed like.. some cast animations? Maybe?

[frozen olive]

absolutely no idea why it happened but it was pretty helpful

[covert schooner]

since the base game has malenia which is the polar opposite where anyone who doesn't dodge gets massively punished

[stone cove]

But that's me being pretentious game designer, and really wanting to dig into the guts of the game and the why and whereof

[old brook]

See I don't have to respec to dodge

Anyone can rip off all their clothes and get wild

[frozen olive]

i didn't respec to grab my shield

i simply grabbed 40 more levels

[stone cove]

(and yes, also dodge is the only universal defence).

[old brook]

I physically cannot hold enough guard boost

[frozen olive]

so i could use the shield

[covert schooner]

i mean you can build for dodgin though

idk

[stone cove]

Messmer solider shield exists, has same guard boost as brass shield, only needs str 12? Maybe even 10?

[frozen olive]

i guess not everyone has faith to use the god sword with but i almost always do so leveling was free

[covert schooner]

idk, i feel like this mindset really ends up leaving shields in the dust

[old brook]

Messmer why did you have better stuff than everyone dear god

Your army is so kitted and functional

[stone cove]

STr ten, yes. It's the new go to Shield

[covert schooner]

lets bring back adaptablity clearly

thats the answer

everyone loved that

[frozen olive]

i'm actually using Messmer Soldier Shield for my next run

along with uh

checks notes

[stone cove]

It's worse than brass on elemental resists

[frozen olive]

Swift Spear, Smithscript Hammer and Golem Fist

:)

[covert schooner]

(i do think dex should maybe give you better i frames or something)

[stone cove]

Nah.

[frozen olive]

it's not massive for elemental resists no

[stone cove]

That would just make dex the god stat

[frozen olive]

for the final boss i used the Haligtree Crest Greatshield

[covert schooner]

if anyone can do it, no matter the build, then yes actually dodging should be the hardest defense to actually use

[frozen olive]

slapped a holy no skill on it and became immune to all damage

[stone cove]

The correct way to address this, imho, is too relook at the equip load and it's break points

[warped quest]

i do think dodge needs some extra tools with all what blocking got

[covert schooner]

i do think equip load sucks though yes

[old brook]

not showing % during respec, super sucks

[stone cove]

I had a proposal I posted in here, let me dig it up

[covert schooner]

fingerprint shield here

just hilariously sturdy

[old brook]

NGL i assumed Messmer Soldier Shield had less than 100% block because it was round, they've been weird about 'em in ER

[stone cove]

Here we are

[frail sky]

That's just adaptability but it's also a damage stat

[stone cove]

Basically the goal would be to create actual choices between "light, agile" and "big tanky"

And a range across that

Rather than the current "everyone medium rolls" mush

Because outside of very specific build choices you're basically a fool for not going medium rolls with as heavy as armor as you can and still medium roll.

Which sucks!

It really sucks!

[old brook]

Fatroll was real in DS1

also very very unsafe

[covert schooner]

heavy would have to be absolutely insane to be worth it

[old brook]

but you could just be so durable

[covert schooner]

which

i think it should be

I do think dodging is literally the best option in ER and i don't like it

[old brook]

in Remnant 2 having overburdened dodges makes them damage enemies

and i think that should be here too

[stone cove]

Heavy is the one I'd be really scared of balance wise in my proposal

[covert schooner]

you should be able to build a gross ultratank

[stone cove]

Because it'd need to be fair good, and could easily tilt into too good

[covert schooner]

with the downside being resource management

[old brook]

You kind of can but it looks more like Wild Strikes with a Great Stars, seems

[covert schooner]

if you fuck up your stamina management, your health, attack at the wrong time and face tank a bunch of shit

then you die

but if you manage all that I fully believe you should be allowed to survive getting hit by any attack in the game

fuck, any combo, theoretically

idk, i just think it's weird that heavy rolling is even still in the game since it's

basically just a trap?

[stone cove]

It is! It's so weird

[atomic plinth]

Agreed

[stone cove]

It's why I cut it in my proposal.

[covert schooner]

it'd be like if sekiro had a shield lmo

*lmao

like what

[old brook]

exists to punish doing endurance math badly and no other reason

[covert schooner]

it's weird though because theres already soemthing for that

overweight!

[old brook]

And there isn't even like.. some effect that temporarily increases it or somesuch

[covert schooner]

but like

[old brook]

it's in such a weird space

[warped quest]

have yall ever played code vien

[covert schooner]

overweight and heavy rolling

are exactly the same level of playability in ER

ie not for someone who isn't crazy for real lmao

[warped quest]

in code vien your equipload and dodge type is based on your current class

like the basic mage can get a dash

[stone cove]

Yeah, it's why my proposal is make heavy roll the Shoulder Tackle from from MHW's Greatsword - you take damage, but you have hyper armor and bonus damage resist

[covert schooner]

[stone cove]

so lkike it turns into an interesting "I trade with you, because i can fucking tank it"

[edgy epoch]

God I love the shoulder tackle in MHW

[covert schooner]

Yeah, a playstle centered around trading would be so sexy

[stone cove]

It is an INCREDIBLE piece of Game Design

like it is just amazing

[edgy epoch]

Goated ass move

[stone cove]

It is so, so simple.

[covert schooner]

it IS really sexy in like, ds1 where it's mostly viable

[stone cove]

and it took a weapon that was incredibly one note

and transformed it's playstyle entirely

while keeping the idenity intact

[edgy epoch]

Yeah

God I gotta get back on MHW

But also yeah, heavy load is bait

Like, it's a little funny that it exists

[proven cloak]

this is how greatshields work, no?

and the new verdigris talisman definitely is trying to allow you to go in that direction

gives like 15% omniresist for heavy rolling? 20%?

[languid tiger]

think it's like 10% and 20% for being overencumbered?

[frail sky]

Yeh

Only 10% for heavy roll is rough

[proven cloak]

yeah slap that on + a greatshield and you're chilling

[languid tiger]

20% allres + dragonshield on an overencumbered build is like

yeah you're probably sitting there with 95% absorptions

at least in the dlc

[warped quest]

yeah it really seems blocking got a lot of cool toys

dodging gets so little

[stone cove]

Dodging is so over tuned already though

Like objectively, the dodge roll in Elden ring is crazy strong, it's just the game is built in a way that penalizes this because they made it too strong (high tracking on most melee attacks, delays to bait you)

It's why stuff like fine feather talisman punishes you do harshly for using it

Because it's effect is insane (notably, ongbal uses it in his runs, which should give you an idea of exactly how good is effect is)

[glossy delta]

If you wanna do a heavy trading slugger build do a dueling shield

[stone cove]

I'd like if we got some toys like "your dodge roll is now a dash" or similar, or "you drop a small bomb every time you roll"

[glossy delta]

Verdigris, greatdrake, great shield, two handed, boom

[stone cove]

But the actual roll as a defensive technique is crazy given how much stacked defence you can get without giving up said roll

If the camera was less silly in how it reacted to rolling into things, so you could roll through attacks easier, it'd be even more crazy

[proven cloak]

imo heavy weapon blocking + guard countering should be the direction instead of passive poise

ds1's system was pretty uninteractive once you got going

more focus on <100% damage blocking

[languid tiger]

guard counters off sub-100% block, limited but reliable hyperarmor, and crackhead macaque dodge rolls

[stone cove]

I def would want to build guard counters and deflecting tear in, make blocking dynamic

Because encouraging stuff like precision blocking into quick counters is great

[languid tiger]

guard counters are already pretty fucking cracked ngl

I have used them to nightmarish effect

[proven cloak]

the fact they deal basically fully charged r2 poise damage is wild

[languid tiger]

fully charged r2 at r1 speed that combos from the block animation

[proven cloak]

with the Anvil Hammer's 80% phys block, I used them a lot more in the dlc

and definitely felt like I was playing a trading playstyle

[languid tiger]

some weapon classes' guard counters deal more than a max r2 for their class

[grave plinth]

I wish farming the Beastman Curved Greatsword was easier

[languid tiger]

same

took me fucking hours on my co-op run

same with the skelly executioner axe

the skellies are a bitch and a half if you don't have golden order stuff

[warped quest]

i don't really agree with dodge being strong enough with all the bonuses blocking has gotten over the course of the game

guardcounters, the variest shields and parry artes, varius talismans

dodge hasnt really gotten any extra tools

that are worth using

[grave plinth]

Skelly has a convenient farming spot, beastman is more tedious

[languid tiger]

oh, the beastmen have an okay farming spot with the belfry warp

it's not

great

but the skellies aren't any better

[warped quest]

if this was ds1 id say thats a fin efarming spot

but this is er

[grave plinth]

There’s a quick ish one in Caelid near the church of plague

[warped quest]

skellies do have the upside of being oblrirated by scared blade

[languid tiger]

not if you aren't fth

damage kinda sucks on the ash

[grave plinth]

I’m strength int and sacred blade works well enough for lategame farming in Caelid

[frail sky]

Isn’t that like two loading screens per attempt and only one of them has the cleaver?

[languid tiger]

two have it

[warped quest]

even if your faith isnt good they take such extra damage from the projectile it often can oneshot them or two shot them

[languid tiger]

but yeah it's an extra screen

[old brook]

Thanks for being simple and effective, Grave Scythe

Doesn't the Cleanrot weaponry only drop from specific versions

[warped quest]

rpaier os from any of them the other two have to be carried

halo scythe's art is really good against things weak to holy

[old brook]

Elden Ring make that thing a Light Greatsword, it has no business in Rapier Town

[languid tiger]

just give me more fucked up movesets

[old brook]

I still need to try that new spear

also now I'm sad it's not an LGS, would be perfect with Leda's

[languid tiger]

I want the lgs moveset on the partisan

and mohg's moveset on uh

his spear

[grave plinth]

Give more estoc variants

[languid tiger]

give me a dryleaf arts hybrid moveset with an axe

[atomic marsh]

The entire Elden Ring tag on tumblr is just people simping over MEsmmer

[languid tiger]

a native dw weapon that's a 1-handed axe and then beating people to death with your empty hand

[grave plinth]

Holy weapons that scale with int plz

[languid tiger]

golden order weapons yes

[grave plinth]

Golden Order Fundamentalism infusion

[languid tiger]

make ghostflame fire damage :(

[old brook]

imean

[old brook]

a lot of them cause frost so that'd be a little rough

[languid tiger]

make bloodflame pure arc

no it'd be great

wacky horseshit

or even better, make it fire that deals frost and doesn't clear frost

[old brook]

one thing that will kill me forever

is that we can't charge Bloodboon to do the long-distance toss he does in the fight

it's honestly a really solid spell just the throwing mechanic kind of fucks it over

[grave plinth]

More Arcane Sorceries

[languid tiger]

ye

honestly, it would've been cool if ranni was int/arc

and had a whole school of ice and night sorceries

instead of em being separate things

it'd also add another contrast to the three siblings

with each of em having a secondary stat (although Radahn's STR isn't on the magic)

[stone cove]

Anyone around and able to help me trade a headpiece over to another character?

[languid tiger]

aye

I can boot up now

[proven cloak]

I was expecting Saint Trina Int / Arc spells in the dlc

😔

[glossy delta]

Lean-o-mancy

[stone cove]

@languid tiger Awesome. I'll be @ The First Step, and i'll make the code LANCER. Throw a duel sign down

Honestly, saint trina int/arc sleep spells not existing

is a real missed opprunity

[languid tiger]

I wish the trina stuff was all int/fth

instead of the torch being fth

and the swords being int

[glossy delta]

Glintstone drankcrag
.............A sleep-inflicting magic projectile would be cool though

[languid tiger]

ye

[languid tiger]

logging in now

first load of the day always takes a while

[stone cove]

All good

i'm gonna give you 4 things to transfer over - A stack of rune arcs, ||Leda's Armor, St Trina's Blossom|| and a Cleanrot sword, if that's cool?

[languid tiger]

yep yep

oh wait

can't transfer rune arcs

don't bother

they don't show up for others

[stone cove]

laaaameee

Oh well, i can cheat stuff in if i need

this was just faster, lol

[languid tiger]

finally down

[stone cove]

I just got summoned as a blue

gimme a moment >.>

[languid tiger]

quit out of the character i usually do it with because he's vibing in ||the shaman village lmao||

[old brook]

Sorcery can really become a bossfight with the DLC, this is so fun for counter-invading

[languid tiger]

gonna park that goober there forever

[stone cove]

OIkay

i am out and also dsicovered i can get grappled out of messmer's orb as i'm slamming it into the ground, which is dumb

[languid tiger]

nice

[stone cove]

Should i put my sign down, or will you put youirs down?

[languid tiger]

lmao

mine's down

on the first step

[stone cove]

I am having troubel locaitng it, code is LANCER right?

all caps?

[icy creek]

I love ||Radahns move where He just lights up the entire screen in golden light and nerfs your frames to 10 FPS and you can't dodge it||

Good move.

[old brook]

kinda spoiler'd the wrong portion there, extend it a few words left

[languid tiger]

yep yep

will redo

right in front of the grace

[languid tiger]

hey

check your spoilers

[frozen olive]

spoiler that shit

come on

[stone cove]

So

I'm a dumbass

[languid tiger]

pinging again

[stone cove]

and forgot to use a fingercalling thing

[languid tiger]

nice

[old brook]

the most 'why does this exist' item ingame

why is it craftable instead of just.. use it

[icy creek]

Lol sorry I figured ||Radahn was a character in the base game so it wasn't really spoiling anything unless you know know||

[languid tiger]

wow that's a hitbox ever

[languid tiger]

then why would you be blackboxing anything regarding that character?

it makes it beyond obvious

messmer's orb in laggy pvp seems like ass

that hit me from like

a goober and a half away

[stone cove]

I genuinely odnt invade

so folks dont have to deal with NZ ping 😦

[icy creek]

Because ||the move itself is a reveal that he comes back||

[stone cove]

because the netcode is not up to it

[languid tiger]

I CAN TELL

[languid tiger]

you fail to understand the logic

[stone cove]

Anywa,y i'm on wandering bear, have popped thing, let me make sure ih ave hte code in

[languid tiger]

||why would you blackbox anything related to the character if they're purely basegame?||

||it's a blaring indicator that they have a new fight that's not basegame||

[icy creek]

I dunno! Sorry! I made a mistake!

[languid tiger]

sorry, i'm going too aggressive

i just

really don't want to get too lax on big spoilers

you're right, and that was my bad

[frozen olive]

character names go in spoilers

generally good praxis

[stone cove]

I do not think i should have gotten that parry?

but lol, it worked

[languid tiger]

i should probably put the backstep talisman on

if i'm going to meme with backsteps

also those phantom hitboxes lol

[stone cove]

On my screen you were prefectly in the hitboxes every time i hit you >.>

[languid tiger]

this character has two +6 weapons, i'm shocked that they did that much to you

[stone cove]

i think my lighting resist is kinda bad?

23 lighting resist atm

and my physical resist isnt that high either, because Draogncrest doesnt apply in pvp

well, ikt does, but it's.. drumroll 5%

Also, mucho thanks @languid tiger seriousyl appreciated

[languid tiger]

[stone cove]

i just kinda zoned on actually saying thank you, so my bad

[languid tiger]

all good

[frail sky]

...I forgot you could do that, that would've been easier than me farming stuff

[languid tiger]

it's one of the wonderful services being in a souls community is for

[left willow]

Is there something I'm missing against [Manus Metyr Questline] ||Metyr, Mother of Fingers|| or does she just do a crazy amount of damage all the time?

[glossy delta]

Well, if you have not yet, Acquire More Scadu
If you are at max and still getting bonked its probably an NG+ cycle thing alas

[languid tiger]

hm, that wasn't my experience, but maybe it's your armor's magic res?

[frail sky]

Wait, I could get ||Leda's armor|| over to one of my characters without having to do 99% of the dlc first 👀

[languid tiger]

or your scadutree level, yeah

want someone to drop it?

[stone cove]

It's what i just did!

I'm addicted to the milady's running r2s when onehanded

you do this slash into a poke

it's really good

as Topple can confirm because i cahsed them down with it

[frail sky]

Sure! I admittedly do not know how to do this stuff because I barely ever interact with the online part of this game

[languid tiger]

100000% reach off nz internet

oh, just go to the church of elleh and pop a furled finger while online

can walk you through the rest of it

[frail sky]

📝

[languid tiger]

there's just a little multiplayer tab, if you've forgotten about that

can pop fingies from there, and also change your password

set that one to LANCER in fullcaps, since that's what we've been using

[left willow]

Scadu level is 16, armor is circa 67% across physical.

And 61% magic?

[frail sky]

Alright, give me just a sec to do all of that

[languid tiger]

yep yep

should be here

ignore the group, that's a different thing

[left willow]

Are the spells that are especially good against ||Metyr?||

[languid tiger]

she's got 40 all eles

20 all phys but 0 slash

and super high status res except bleed, which is middling

[left willow]

Ah, that's fuckin brutal

[languid tiger]

so if your build allows use a curved sword or katana that bleeds

[frail sky]

Done, should be right outside the door

[languid tiger]

oh, drop a red sign

[left willow]

Uh, I could do a quick rebirth, grab the moonlight veil

[languid tiger]

since gold signs stop working without bosses around

[median rock]

red duelist to be clear

[languid tiger]

yeah, this'un

[frail sky]

Done

[median rock]

duelist's finger lets u leave a red sign, recusant or bloody r different

[languid tiger]

see ya there

and now i can just mule whatever you need

[frail sky]

Alright cool 👍

[languid tiger]

anything else or just that one?

[frail sky]

I might as well do the rest of the set, one sec

[languid tiger]

[frail sky]

Alright, sever then do the same stuff with my other character?

[languid tiger]

yep yep

[frail sky]

...apparently I haven't killed the tree sentinel with that character, weird

[languid tiger]

amaryllis, aye?

[frail sky]

Yeh

Thank you Topple!

[languid tiger]

have fun with the drip

[frail sky]

I'm not sure why ||Leda's armor|| works with Tanith's mask, but it does

[real shadow]

"Mom said its my turn on the Elden Ring"

[atomic marsh]

Oh I have a look that's similar

[atomic marsh]

https://i.imgur.com/8rdANkx.jpeg

[frail sky]

What’s the leg armor there?

(Also, sick)

[atomic marsh]

The matching ones for the chestpiece!

Also the gauntlets are the Gauntlets of Solitude

[languid tiger]

oh, that's just oathseeker?

looks a bit thicker than i remembered em being

[atomic marsh]

I think this is the look I'm going for on my NG+ run

[atomic plinth]

I run solitude greaves and oathseeker gauntlets myself lmao

[left willow]

Does anyone know if [post-Ensis] ||Metyr and the Manus Metyr Questline in general|| can be completed after [Post Shadow Keep] ||burning the sealing tree?||

[atomic marsh]

I did it so yeah

[languid tiger]

as far as i know, the answer is yes

[umbral portal]

They can

[left willow]

That's good. Cause I'm 98% sure I have all of the pre-||sealing|| fragments, but I'm 1 level short of the recommended scadu level for her

[stone cove]

There are only 4 fragments in the final location, i think?

I would have to check again

maybe 5

[atomic marsh]

what's the recommended scadu level for her

[languid tiger]

i think i did her at 11?

[stone cove]

Yep, only 4 are gated by the sealing tree, whcih is 2 scadu levels

[languid tiger]

might've been 12

[stone cove]

Also the differnece on the last 3 levels is incredibly minor - you do... .05% more damage going from scadu tree 18 to 20, and take 0.013 less damage

(For ocmparsion, goign from 17-18, you do .03% more damage, and take .006% less damage)

and the same going from 15-16, and s16-17

18-20 is barely a blip

[covert schooner]

so

i dont personally own the dlc but i do wanna do another playthrough of the base game

is Arcane build fun?

I wanna use morgott's sword

[mighty warren]

Area is a spoiler so tagging for that but
this might be my favorite ER look ive done yet, even if some pieces are probably super heavily used

[stone cove]

Arcane is generally very fun, with the following caveats: It gets pulled in a lot of directions because very few things are pure arcane scaling. This means it doesnt tend to start coming online until late in the game, which can be frustrating

Also because it can do so many things well, it's very easy to split your focus on accdient and end up with a build that feels bad because you're trying to do too many things

[covert schooner]

Was thinking mostly uhhh

[stone cove]

Probably the b iggest challenge is that everything you want to cast on an arcane build also has not-nothing FTH requirements. The good news is that your seal is probably the b est one in teh game

[covert schooner]

Dragon Shit + some minor fighty stuff

[stone cove]

and Bloodboon + Bloodflame Talons are both very good, chepa and easy to use spells with it

(With morgot'

[covert schooner]

Oooo I could do blood stuff yeah…..

[stone cove]

also MCS' in particualr has very intensive FP costs for it's skill at 20 - 20, so 40 if you want to use the full thing

• it requires 35 dex and 17 arcane, which is... ow

[covert schooner]

Does blood stuff work well with dragon stuff?

[stone cove]

So, Dragon Communion scale has arcane scaling

which means the blood incants get better because they can use the arcane scaling to boost their status inflciution

[covert schooner]

Ohhh and you can get it super early too

W stone sword key gift and the power of running

The seal I mean

[stone cove]

the otehr thing to point otu though is that MCS is a dex wieapon with some arc.

It gets B (1.08) dex scaling, and D (0.54) arc salling as well as D (0.27) str scaling

so strength is worthless but will still add some ar

[covert schooner]

So Dex/Faith/Arcane would probably be my build

Which seems good

[stone cove]

At all base requirements with teh weapon at +10 it has 522 AR

uping your strength to 80 gives you... sdrumroll 576 ar.

[covert schooner]

Other options are powerstancing dex fuckery, big strong guts boy, or a weird dualist

Duelist

[stone cove]

at min strength/arc, 80 dex, you get 642 AR

[covert schooner]

My first run I did was moonlight greatsword caster

Which I’m trying not to do again lmao

[stone cove]

Basically for MGCS it's Dex scaling is by far it';s best thing

So if you're doing a 150RL build, you're basically just a dex build that's splashed some arc in there.

[covert schooner]

I think I’m okay with that actually lol

Are curved greatswords good to powerstance?

[stone cove]

Uhh

That's really sdubjective, lol?

[covert schooner]

Well, fair enough I guess

[stone cove]

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Curved+Greartsword+paowerstance+movesset#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:8120109e,vid:8yEEsQS9zGo,st:0

This is their powerstance moveset

I don't really like power stance movests in general, i find them very stamina intensive

and the weight tax is real

[stone cove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diSCHOrqe4U

Fextra life iis very annoying in a lot of respects, and i would take everything said here with a grain of salt

But this is a pretty useful breakdown

[covert schooner]

I always remember people say that about Fextra but never why

[mighty warren]

also, an aside

i have now been summoned to 18 bayle fights when trying to help folk

i'm starting to develop muscle memory exclusively for bayle

[stone cove]

The wiki itself is prone to mis infomration, the guy has crap on his wiki that acts to direct you to his twitch stream so you're counted as a "Viewer" , there's a lot of indications that they as a company shit up otehr wikis on purpose, and they spam content that's pretty whatever

[kind garden]

Ad space nonsense, AI summary debacle, farming content

[stone cove]

but the "X are op" videos are genuinely actually quite good

because it goes into why you'd want to use any weapon in a class

[kind garden]

They were AI summarizing their articles at one point and it was stupid

[covert schooner]

oh yeah

[stone cove]

Which is nice.

[mighty warren]

Fextra and fandom, the unholy duo of community wikis

[covert schooner]

yeah the youtube seemed fine

i remembered mostly just that the wiki is wrong a lot

[stone cove]

It's annoying because i do like the comment section on their wiki as it's good to get a better of commentary

[covert schooner]

especially for technical details

[stone cove]

Yeah there's a reason these days i use Tarnished.dev when i want actual scaling info

https://www.tarnished.dev/weapon-calculator#

Which here.

[mighty warren]

It's not as bad terraria's wiki
actually it might be iunno

Terraria's fandom wiki tmk keeps a lot of old info up 'for preservation's sake' which isn't inherently bad but they're not like sectioned off in a 'this is how this used to work' way

also protip if you ever have to deal with a fandom wiki site

change the url to antifandom and you get a heavily cleaned up version

[covert schooner]

oh sick

a lot of stuff, like dragon age, kinda only has fandom sandly

sadly even

[mighty warren]

it can fuck with the formatting a tiny bit but it's adless and doesn't cross promote other wikis

[stone cove]

Anyway, re: MCS... i'd rpobably run it as it's own thing, hoenstly

and go for either two-handing while having Sacrifical Axe on my back (So i can harvest fp from every kill)

or one hand with the DCS for casting and Bloodflame talon mixups

[covert schooner]

oh the dragon incants aren't that bad

in terms of requirements

very much a side thing

[stone cove]

https://eldenring.wiki.fextralife.com/Bloodflame+Talons

[covert schooner]

i think i'm gonna start with the intent of doing dex/arcane/faith and move from there

improvise a little

[stone cove]

Just remeber you have to dedicate points to Vig/End/Mind to actually use all this stuff

so

[covert schooner]

especially since larval tears are plentiful

[stone cove]

It's probably going to take you to level 200 to get all teh way online and comfy

but!

[covert schooner]

and yeah thats true

[stone cove]

It'll be a very fun level 200 build

[covert schooner]

[mighty warren]

Also speaking of my bayle fights i learned something funny for them

[covert schooner]

margit's sword just looks so fucking cool

[mighty warren]

you can go through bayle's fire waves by using blinkbolt

[stone cove]

If you start Prophet, you can end up at 60/25/25/14/80/7/25/40 with 3 levels left over for whatever

Sadly, the best headpiece in the game for you is locked behidn the final dlc boss -.-

[frail sky]

The youtube seems fine yeah, if for nothing else than the 50 thousand build ideas

[stone cove]

(Because it's cheap as chips weight wwise, goes well with most anything fashion, and gives you +1 int, arc and faith, whcih is 3 free levels)

[covert schooner]

dasfjhj yeah

[stone cove]

Which is very relevant if you want to be using discus of light

[covert schooner]

i do not!

[stone cove]

Anyway, someone gift Emily the DLC

[covert schooner]

:3

[stone cove]

Well... even without that, it's still a good hat

but you have more options, lol

[covert schooner]

(im playing on ps4 so harder than you would imagine)

[stone cove]

...

SOMEONE GIFT EMILY THE GAME AND DLDC ON PC

MAKE THEIR PC EXPLODE

[covert schooner]

NO I COULDNT RUN IT

I WOULD DIE

[stone cove]

DO IT ANYWAY

Motivation to get better computer!

[covert schooner]

You’d be surprised how well it runs tbh

As well as my own low standards

On PS4

As long as it’s above 30 frames I genuinely don’t care

I cut my teeth on a dying ps3 lmao

[stone cove]

Anyway, if you dont need the spread of 1/1/1, there's a bunch of good hats - Mask of Confidence (3 arcane), Imp Heads (Dex or Fith versions), the various Sacred Crown Helm/Haligree helm/Hgt Knight helm (+1 fiath, or 2 in the knight's case)

[glossy delta]

||https://fixvx.com/guanhaoniziji8/status/1815360794613145675||

(Final boss spoilers)
This person gets me

[stone cove]

It's gonna be so interesting if we get a deeper post-mormem evnetually

as in like, info form inside From on the hcoices and why

and if it was a pivot, etc

I would also laugh and laugh and laugh if we get a second DLC (I think this unlikely, but also this has done gang busters, and if engine etc still works...) and the final boss of that is ||Godwyn||

or we get Elden RIng 2 and that is ||Godwyn Boogaloo||

Oh, also, ZUllie posted this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7t-gXCD98o

But what's really, really great is this comment chain from it:

"New godwyns, Fresh from the store" has me cracking up so hard

[proven cloak]

I'd be surprised if there was a pivot tbh

it just strikes me as something from the setting bible they flubbed the set up for, more than a change in dev

[frail sky]

Godwyn final boss but it’s a King Allant type of boss

[stone cove]

So would i -= my going theory is that this was planned/supported and they just... fucked up communciating it in the base game and the fandom latched on the wrong way

lol, we both said the same thing

[proven cloak]

or at least, the dlc ending ||matches the cut content they got rid of pretty well||

lmao

[stone cove]

that said, i also still love this fan take on things (Big arse spoilers for the DLC and final boss) ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v9zl6mBpwc||

It's so fucking good

[frail sky]

Ngl most of the talk I heard about potential dlc was about Miquella, even before erdtree was announced

[stone cove]

||I always figured it was going to be Miquella, it's the radagon bit people take issue with - they had themselves convinced it was Godwyn that'd be involved||

||Age of Hugs? Sus. Age of Grifftih? Too obvious||

[proven cloak]

It was always the big theory the dlc was planned to be about miquella, ever since his cut dialogue and quest and possible ending was found

[proven cloak]

love this video

[stone cove]

Also just like, narratively Miquella was always the big questionmark

Messmer we only knew existed by like a single line from a single npc

(Imapler's Catacombs, weeping pensiusla)

[warped quest]

where did messmer show up in the base game

is that what your talking about

[old brook]

I love how much lore is tied up in Weird Sad Ghosts

[stone cove]

Yeah. Impaler's catacomb, there's a ghost outside who talks about marika's abaodned child

Like it's the 8vaugeust of vauge* knowledge

[atomic marsh]

Do you mean ||Radahn?||

[proven cloak]

ehhhh, I think its probably named that because of the big Spike Impalers

but the snake gladiators and abductor virgins are something

[stone cove]

I HOLD GRRM REPOSNIBLE FOR THIS TYPO

[languid tiger]

no the spirit outside of it is pretty definitive evidence

[atomic marsh]

Question for the gays
is Elden Ring good representation

[warped quest]

the ghost isnt at the catacombs i think

well thats what online map says

[stone cove]

it is *right outside8 the catacomb.

[languid tiger]

it's like in the center of the peninsula facing the catacomb, isn't it?

[stone cove]

Like right by the door.

[frail sky]

...well I wouldn't say it's bad rep

[proven cloak]

the ghost's talking about the Mausoleum, and is closer to the church iirc

[warped quest]

i don't think fromsoft really cares about that stuff

[old brook]

There's a lot of hetero marriage in Elden Ring but one of them is .. Trans(?)Nonbinary(?) I do not know where to slot MarikaRadagon

[warped quest]

its only come up once i can think of ever andn thats ds3

[proven cloak]

the big Bell Tombs hold dead demigods

[atomic marsh]

Marika Radagon isn't gay or straight it's a secret third thing

[stone cove]

Prior to the dlc, i would have said it sucked because our canoically gay character was... yyyyyyeaaaaaaaaaahhh.

[atomic marsh]

(The answer to "is it gay to fuck your clone")

[frail sky]

||CHILD MURDERED!||
||...in fairness, he kinda needed to die||

[stone cove]

The dlc made things much more complicated and lands squarely in the "LGBT folk are allowed to be messy horrible people too"

[old brook]

( 'is it gay to make a male clone go through a messy divorce with a hot witch? we just don't know' )

[stone cove]

See also: Angel from Star Trek SNW

who's great

[frail sky]

Mmm, fair yeah

[stone cove]

and who's actress fucking loved getting to ham it up as an enby villain on screen

(The actress is herself trans/enby)

[old brook]

also Miq is as old as his sister he's just small

[atomic marsh]

Marika splitting her loyalty to the Golden Order off as a separate entity just so she can make Rennala divorced

actually

ACTUALLY

[kind garden]

Marika pathologically needed to own Rennala

[atomic marsh]

OOOOOOOH

I AM HAVING A BRAIN BLAST

[kind garden]

oh, yeah, no, Radagon is a castoff from Marika like St. Trina is one from Miquella

I've been saying this

[atomic marsh]

||St. Trina is Miquella's love cast off. What if Radagon is Marika's loyalty?||

[old brook]

still not sure what the fuck is up with the Amber Egg

[stone cove]

@frail sky Captain Angel, played by Jesse James Keitel is the character

[warped quest]

ive alwyas thought the reverse honestly

[stone cove]

IOKt has little schoalrs inside it! it's super creepy!

[warped quest]

radagon combined with marika not the otherway around

[atomic marsh]

The thing is that Radagon never seems to exist outside of the context of being with Marika?

He just shows up

[warped quest]

his red hair and the giants

[old brook]

Radagon is also wildly set on the Golden Order

[stone cove]

That's unclear, actually. there's a whole shit ton of evidence he's related to the misbegotten, and he might even have been the champion at castle morne

the brick hammer also seems to refrence him

[old brook]

but game does show even tarnished can manage fanaticism perfectly well

[kind garden]

I mean my take is simple

[stone cove]

It's honestly one of the most ???? things to unpick in the game

to the point i kinda throw up on my hands and go "WELP"

[old brook]

see i'm up in the air on this because Radagon was always Greatsword Guy, Marika's Hammers

[proven cloak]

I think he's closer to what Trina had going on than the mimic tear / misbegotten / whatever

[kind garden]

Where did Messmer and Melina come from, if not from a VERY early Radagon/Marika coupling?

[old brook]

also; i get it Marika

[proven cloak]

I like "Duty"

[proven cloak]

and then use that to explain why he gets all the moments with the kids later

||Marika cast off her duty to be a mother as well||

[warped quest]

i feel like this strongly implies radagon is related to giants

[obtuse halo]

This was my suspicion too post dlc dropping - that he was a part of Marika in the first place somehow, cast off as part of becoming a God

[stone cove]

Weapon made from an ordinary stone brick. Wielded by a laborer who lead a rebellion, and later become a champion himself.

BUt yes, i see your point, and there's no defintiive proof that talks about radagon

the champion bit is also speculation based off the Castle morne sword iirc

[atomic marsh]

I think this can also be the curse of the giants laid on Marika

[stone cove]

(the big lore sword in weeping openusial, that is)

[old brook]

the castle morne sword cracks me the fuck up

it would take so long to make that

[atomic marsh]

Marika seemed doomed to give birth to children she despised

[stone cove]

Aha, i found it

https://old.reddit.com/r/EldenRingLoreTalk/comments/ykexll/a_theory_on_the_unnamed_hero_of_castle_morne/

[atomic marsh]

And her "husband" being a constant reminder of a thing she hated also holds to that

[stone cove]

But it's very tenous links here on a lto of this stuff

[proven cloak]

I think a big question is why Radagon was the second Elden Lord in general

[stone cove]

it's ar eally interesting theory that Radagon is this guy etc

[kind garden]

One of the legendary armaments. 

A lone surviving champion from a country now vanished was so determined to continue fighting that he claimed the swords of an entire clan of warriors.

a friend of mine opined that this champion WAS Radagon, and that he is Marika's loyalty, and embodying her loyalty to the Shamans he claimed a whole ton of swords, used Shaman grafting to fuse them, and went absolutely ape shit

[proven cloak]

Did they need to remerge, or was it Marika's choice?

[stone cove]

https://old.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/zzbktk/radagons_a_misbegotten_who_changes_shape_rennalas/

This is one of the craziest theories, but it's kinda great

[proven cloak]

she definitely held more power than him at the time, and I don't think The Slug was to blame

[stone cove]

Aha, here's the other big write up

https://old.reddit.com/r/eldenringdiscussion/comments/11571ad/theory_misbegotten_radagon_and_the_brick_hammer/

[kind garden]

okay but the "lion" is Godfrey

not the leonine misbegotten lol

[proven cloak]

Misbegotten are used as standins for Radagon all the time, too

at least 3

GO Greatsword Misbegotten, the Duo Fight in Redmane castle with the Crucible Knight (Its Godfrey + Radagon gank fight), and the ||dlc one that drops Multilayered Rings of Light||

but I dont think he's literally their dad or w/e

[stone cove]

Oh, yeah, these arent my theories, but htey're interesting none the same.

[kind garden]

nah yeah just pointing that out

[stone cove]

The Godfrey/Radagon duality and Radahn's total lack of inteest in Radagon/love for Godfrey is always very interesting

Also, mild complaint on fantasty timelines: Supposeldy it's been five milenia since the shattering!? NO BAD

This stuff always annoys me XD

I could buy a milinuem

[glossy delta]

Well, Radahn does look up to Radagon
It's why he likes his red hair so much
Redmanes and all

[warped quest]

what says its been 5000 years?

[stone cove]

Supposedly that's what GRRM said on timeline stuff

Lemme see if i can dig up a source

[proven cloak]

I'd buy like a couple decades for the war

[old brook]

Oh way more than decades

[proven cloak]

maybe 2.5x that for the Shattering Itself

[old brook]

People are zombies

[stone cove]

It's why ican buy a mlilienum

[old brook]

I'd set it a century or two

[stone cove]

but like 5k years is just... it's too long

[proven cloak]

yeah but some people aren't

[old brook]

i mean peoples can still have children

[grave plinth]

Radagon might actually be from Zamor

[glossy delta]

"I was born a champion's cub. Now I am the Lord of the Battlefield's lion."```

Radahn just likes cool manly warrior men

[stone cove]

Ugh, that's annoying

[median rock]

george can barely keep his other timelines straight tbh

[stone cove]

So apperntly it's a statement by george, but then the link to his staement is a youtube invetrivew that... doesnt exdist anymore

[old brook]

it's definitely just a Big Fantastical Number To Say

[median rock]

im not surprised if his math doesnt check out either mathematically or logically for elden ring

[stone cove]

That's bascialyl why i'm grumping about it

[grave plinth]

You find Radagon’s scarseal on a sealed zamor warrior and he’s consistently displayed an aptitude for intelligence based magic

[stone cove]

because it's such a silly number