#Elden Ring (DLC hype room)

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limpid peak
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classic Patches

warped quest
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at least upgrade his store for it

obtuse halo
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I think Millicent's ending is a very powerful bittersweet if you side with her too, though i'd be hardpressed to call it happy

warped quest
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let him sell his armor

languid tiger
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you get his squat

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that's the only point of it

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patches just gives you like four emotes

warped quest
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bittersweet is better than "dies in ditch" most of them end up like

icy creek
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Like, there's just straight up no reason why Ansbach disappears if you burn down the sealing tree. It doesn't make any sense.

languid tiger
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for his assorted quest progression

old brook
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For all we know Millicent is going to show up out of another part of the swamp as a baby, that stuff's magic

atomic plinth
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I guess technically Roderika does too? Though it's also bittersweet.

old brook
languid tiger
icy creek
atomic plinth
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Cause she finds purpose and belonging, and ends up staying with Hewg to the very end

icy creek
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Like, 1:1

old brook
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Patches' Squat is the ultimate 'well, the host I was helping died stupidly' emote

icy creek
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If you can tell me where he is I'd be happy to take back my point

atomic plinth
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He's near the final boss arena

languid tiger
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his summon should be there until you've progressed toward the final boss

icy creek
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Can I complete his questline?

mellow silo
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He shows up for the civil war

icy creek
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I'm at the ||Fight against Leda + her allies|| and I was like: "shit, I guess I should go help Ansbach" but he's already gone.

languid tiger
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...

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that's on fucking you

frozen olive
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bruuuuuuuuh

languid tiger
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"i'm going to ignore this quest until after a trigger that checks for if you've done these quests"

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"where's the quest that i ignored?"

icy creek
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I had no idea the quests were coming up you doofs

warped quest
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i do think burning the thing is def on your end

icy creek
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It's just some random trigger that happens.

frozen olive
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it's not random at all

languid tiger
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this isn't a "fromsoft is random and cryptic" issue, it's a "please just go do npc quests"

frozen olive
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it's like, the whole culmination of the dlc

languid tiger
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the fromsoft cryptic bullshit thing is so overblown past like

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ds1

icy creek
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topple I dunno if you're being obtuse but you have to realize that's not an easy thing to understand, right?

warped quest
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eh i don't agree i actully think its the reverse

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i think 3 is the cyrptic nonsense and the rest are mostly sane

old brook
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3 was definitely rough for that

icy creek
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Like, on some level, sure, it's my fault, but if Ansbach is not in the fight at all it's not really weird to think "Huh, where's ansbach?"

languid tiger
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okay i suppose it's 3

frozen olive
limpid peak
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fucking got, the Ringed City had some cryptic shit

icy creek
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No? He's not.

frozen olive
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unironically Ansbach literally is there for the fight

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you summon him pre-fight

limpid peak
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Ansbach isn't there if you didn't do his quest

frozen olive
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and he fights with you

icy creek
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No he isn't dawg.

limpid peak
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he's replaced with Sanguine Noble Nataan

icy creek
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I have some weird dude named Nataan

frozen olive
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huh

old brook
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I will say Burning the Tree is a pretty big flag

icy creek
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But why would it lock out Ansbach? There's no sense to it.

frozen olive
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yeah burning the tree and seeing ||Enir Ilim|| is kind of like, your big flag to get your shit in order notably

frozen olive
old brook
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because while you're doing things Miquella is actively also doing things I guess

limpid peak
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it progresses all of the NPCs

frozen olive
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do you think that he's just like, ignoring the fact that ||Enir Ilim is unsealed and the followers of Miquella are going up to try to find him?||

limpid peak
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if it didn't, you couldn't get the ||showdown||

frozen olive
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literally everyone goes up there

icy creek
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I'm sorry I got swept up in actively exploring the game and having fun searching for bosses that I forgot to do my due diligence scouring the fextralife forum to find out what the lockout point was.

frozen olive
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because ||they all want to get to Miquella for one reason or another||

limpid peak
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I'm pretty sure a few NPCs mentioned trying to get into ||Enir Elim|| too

old brook
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it's the same lockout point as the main game

frozen olive
limpid peak
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there's a note after the Dancing Lion that mentions it

frozen olive
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that specifically tell you that they want to go up there

old brook
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I do think it's silly ||they just teleport you right in there||

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why even have the Lion Door

frozen olive
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it is a bit goofy

limpid peak
old brook
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felt super Video Gamey

limpid peak
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why is the lion an optional boss?

old brook
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no one should miss out on the line reading in that cinematic

icy creek
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I'm sorry I'm not gonna recant my opinion that that's a bullshit lockout point.

limpid peak
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what's the point of that gate, and the stairs up to it?

limpid peak
frozen olive
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but yeah the tree burning thing imo is a pretty obvious flag for things changing

frozen olive
limpid peak
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I didn't like the teleport to Farum Azula in the main game either

frozen olive
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yeah

limpid peak
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it wasn't telegraphed at all

frozen olive
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the Farum Azula teleport is also like

icy creek
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100%

frozen olive
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a very weird moment

old brook
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I do think they were also like 'how the fuck do you get to Farum Azula'

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a little Waygate wasn't quite enough pomp, idk

limpid peak
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yeah, I don't have a solution for it

icy creek
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If this was any other game they'd just straight up be like: "Hey, this is a lockout point, do your shit." and I think even in the main game they tell you that with the burning of the main tree.

limpid peak
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it just bothered me

old brook
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I like it more ||In the Frenzied Flame route|| tbh

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at least you're.. doing a thing

mellow silo
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Man the hippo is just not fun, like at all

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Fromsoft camera moment

limpid peak
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I DO have a solution to ||teleporting to Enir-Elim though:|| Door

old brook
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but like why there, why now

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hippo's rough

icy creek
old brook
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wider arena, please

frozen olive
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i didn't fight it until way later

obtuse halo
frozen olive
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and i didn't have any real problems with it thanks to that

old brook
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i just mean in terms of camera

frozen olive
old brook
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likes to jam itself into corners and walls and whatall

frozen olive
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||you can help him against Leda||

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||or you can kill him with Leda i suppose||

warped quest
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i think it was not made with a boss in mind

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and then they turned it into a boss and it compeltely broke it

mellow silo
obtuse halo
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because the normal enemy ones are completely fine and reaonsable

icy creek
# obtuse halo maybe leda killed him

I dunno! I guess I'll never know! Because Fromsoft decided Ansbach saying ||What could they possibly have in mind for Lord Mohg's remains? The implications are rather… unnerving.|| was my sign to bring him a random info item.

mellow silo
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Senny is NOT worth it

frozen olive
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correct

icy creek
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Crazy that you can't target the dragons legs because they specifically want you to use this OP sword against it.

old brook
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He doesn't have legs

frozen olive
icy creek
mellow silo
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Only dragon worth fighting in there is Bayle and ganging up on that one Drake to get Igon's quest going

frozen olive
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aight

mellow silo
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Everything else is instant pass

warped quest
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i thought you needed to fight all o them

old brook
frozen olive
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you do not

warped quest
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the best way to figh the ancient dragon is to use raddahn's bow

icy creek
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Like I have it, I even read it, and I was like: "Hm... funny flavor text. maybe if my int is higher I'd be able to read it" and just left it at that.

old brook
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That is so wildly on you I'm sorry

languid tiger
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okay yeah this is just

warped quest
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there is so much room in the arena you can just run around using rain

languid tiger
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literally the most on you a quest could possibly be

old brook
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There's a researching old man pondering questions roughly a football field away

icy creek
old brook
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you don't even have to -show- it to him

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it prompts if you talk again

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so you just never spoke again

icy creek
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Ye

languid tiger
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"here's ansbach, the big scholar dude in big scholar zone looking for big scholar answers on what could be going on"

icy creek
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I thought he'd show up at another site of grace.

languid tiger
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"here's a big scholar scroll that goes HMMM IF ONLY SOMEONE SMART COULD READ THIS"

icy creek
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Before that, he literally teleports every single time you progress his quest.

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So I thought I didn't progress his quest enough.

languid tiger
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"time to go to our someone smart buddy that's soulfully longing for a book to read"

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and show him the book

icy creek
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There are 600 info items in elden ring that that could apply to tho.

languid tiger
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not key items

old brook
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this one's literally from the same room

languid tiger
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info items are info

old brook
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you could throw it at him

languid tiger
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key items are keys

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that do important plot things

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like, there's no shame in looking up guides because you just want to follow steps on quests

icy creek
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Again though, I just figured I'd be able to progress the questline at another point

frozen olive
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personally when ||Ansbach mentioned that Miquella, who is explicitly seeking godhood, yoinked Mohgs body, and i found the scroll that mentioned godhood and needing a body to act as a vessel, i figured it had something to do with Mohg being used as a vessel for whatever lord Miquella was gunning for||

icy creek
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I mean I did too, for sure. I read it and was like: "Oh, that's what they're using it for, interesting" and then I left it at that.

old brook
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||coincidentally this is when i went 'OH, NOOOO' in terms of plot||

languid tiger
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i've done that before myself, like when i was looking for logan in seath's archives or when i was trying to figure out how to not bad-end the priest girl in ds3

old brook
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Logan's quest is fucked

frozen olive
languid tiger
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it's not too bad i think, just like

frozen olive
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me and my friend were talking and we both had it

languid tiger
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kind of out of the way

old brook
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'||What a weird few bosses to need for the DLC, I understand Mohg, but-||'

languid tiger
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since it necessitates looping back to seath's first arena

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it's obtuse but not inscrutable

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since he mentions looking for seath

icy creek
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You can take all this moments out of context and be like: "Duh, of course ansbach would want to read it!" but there's literally a dozen other items he would want to read.

old brook
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I have to imagine a lot of people just didn't find the Pyromancer in DS3

limpid peak
languid tiger
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i just failed to make the connection

limpid peak
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and then halfway through...

obtuse halo
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it's because of Freyja, right? she needs her motivation

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😛

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no other reason

old brook
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and then a Fire Knight knocked me off a rafter

languid tiger
obtuse halo
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I found the pyromancer but not the sorcerer

languid tiger
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you've got old dude stuck in a cell on the ceiling that just

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doesn't indicate at all

old brook
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I only found him because I was putzing around in PVP

languid tiger
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and then lady in the dungeon that needs some annoying shit too

icy creek
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I think Metyr questline is actually good because he's so straightforward with it and hands you a map and is like: "Find this, come back"

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Like every questline should be like that one.

languid tiger
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literally just look up guides then

old brook
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Ymir is so polite and helpful in terms of Fromsoft NPCs

icy creek
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I do! Just in this one particular case I didn't realize the sealing tree was a lockout mechanic

old brook
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also didn't realize the ||Leech Men|| have eyes, and six of 'em

frozen olive
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that quest is pretty nice with imo the exception of ||the statue|| which is not a problem i guess now cause there are a million messages signaling it

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icy creek
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Like, nothing I've read online indicated the sealing tree as a lockout point on his page.

old brook
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Why are you so Londor Coded, Ansbach

frozen olive
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i think they actually just assume that you would do the quests before burning the sealing tree that leads to ||Miquella|| with ||Messmers kindling||

warped quest
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||: Some steps of this quest are missable and you may be locked out of its progression if you progress further into the story. You will need to complete Sir Ansbach's objectives and exhaust all his dialogues before you fight Needle Knight Leda at Enir-Ilim.||

icy creek
frozen olive
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i suppose so

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i will say

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i genuinely did not even consider progressing that part until i had all my shit in order

icy creek
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You're a more experienced fromsofter than I it seems lol

warped quest
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i did have some annoyence with some quests breaking due to entering messmers room

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which i do think is silly

old brook
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I got lost as hell in that zone so ended up doing almost everything beforehand

warped quest
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killing messmer sure

frozen olive
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i only played DS3 before Elden Ring

warped quest
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but entering his room no

old brook
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Some break on entry? oofh

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and there's not much indication it's even Boss Zone other than.. Is a Door

languid tiger
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hornsent drops a summon inside the arena

warped quest
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the invasions ones and frejyas broke for me

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so i couldnt invade or support hornsent or anash

old brook
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makes enough sense in terms of like.. plotline

frozen olive
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DS3 was also the only soulslike fromgame i played before Elden Ring and the DLC

old brook
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but bleh

warped quest
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or give freja the letter

frozen olive
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everything else was just

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Armored Core

warped quest
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but thankfully for hornsent and anash it just skips

frozen olive
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which is pretty significantly different insofar as the way you do "quests" is just, picking certain missions

icy creek
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Googling: "Lockout Point Shadow of the Erdtree" does not give you anything concrete either unless I'm just shit at looking.

warped quest
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im not sure what quests you can even fail in ds2

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yeah just lucatiels

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and maybe navlaan

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but his has like 7 warnings

frozen olive
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DS3 is more like

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what quests can you complete

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lol

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me when i tried doing Anri's quest lol

warped quest
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ok yeah you can fail navlaan's quest line but if you do that its your fault

old brook
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The various Magic Guys in DS2 were a little esoteric but that sort of comes with the territory

frozen olive
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comes with the territory of being magic

icy creek
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My first experience with Fromsoft quest design was in Sekiro where you have to do like 13 distinct things in order to get the good ending and so usually I'm pretty good at following them.

old brook
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It made me wish Necromancer Garris would chat with us

warped quest
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Yeah we have Guy who sits in the corner all day in a nice chair looking at a wall, the wheelchairman who wants you to go into the abyss, the greedy priest who invades you, frampt's reincarnation that was turned into stone for so long his country no longer exists.

frozen olive
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i've not finished Sekiro yet

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i've got to Demon of Hatred and i kinda just don't want to fight it lol

icy creek
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The final boss in sekiro is right up there with Milenia in terms of how hard he is.

modest berry
warped quest
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the npcs in ds2 are just a tad strange

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including the most cat of cats

icy creek
old brook
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Demon of Hatred is a little cursed

frozen olive
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i'm only finishing Sekiro because i want my friend to read Kill Six Billion Demons

icy creek
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Oh lol, I thought you meant you don't have to finish sekiro.

warped quest
frozen olive
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i want to try as many bosses as i can so nobody can say i didn't play the game properly when i say it's like, a 6/10 game

icy creek
old brook
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I like how clearly Someone's Cat Shalquoir is

warped quest
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i don't consider sekiro a soulslike personally like of builds kills it for me

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i think its closer to a charcter action game

old brook
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Sekiro is a Tenchu Game I shall stand by forever

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s'like calling AC a soulslike

obtuse halo
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yeah I really rolled my eyes at the people calling AC6 a soulslike

icy creek
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Oh this is silly. It has bonfires and estus flasks.

obtuse halo
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like. no

icy creek
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Its a soulslike in every way except youre locked in to only playing one weapon

frozen olive
# icy creek I genuinely don't even get how you could hold this opinion if you like Soulslike...

well, overall it didn't have a very strong start, i don't particularly love being forced to do one thing and one thing only with the parry thing and i especially don't like when it decides to not engage with parrying at all. It has a lot of bosses i didn't enjoy and also includes my least favourite boss in any from game i've played so far, which is Guardian Ape. Generally the game is pretty good, and when it gets going i really do like it but i feel like too much of the game so far has been kinda just ok

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i think the only reason i even like the game at all was because my friends pushed me to actually go and defeat Genichiro and it was a pretty satisfying experience

icy creek
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Guardian ape sucks but there are a lot of bosses in other games that suck and ignore all the rules. Looking at you DS2

old brook
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Guardian Ape rules

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Guardian Ape(s), horrid

warped quest
frozen olive
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if it weren't for the fact that my friends kept goading me to play it i 100% would not have gotten past Genichiro

old brook
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They are kinda like castlevania items :|a

frozen olive
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in fact i would have called it quits like, right after Gyobu Masataka Oniwa

kind garden
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Guardian Ape I was honestly pretty sick

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neat fight

icy creek
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Guardian ape has an awesome design.

frozen olive
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Guardian Ape is my least favourite from fight i have ever done only because it was mandatory

icy creek
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Best fight is the last one though, easily.

frozen olive
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the second fight with it also sucks completely

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if it was optional, Midir would still be my reigning champ

kind garden
frozen olive
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Midir is optional

kind garden
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oh

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okay

frozen olive
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i meant Guardian Ape

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it's not optional

icy creek
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Whether or not you like it sekiro is pretty obviously a soulslike.

frozen olive
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the fact that you can skip Midir makes it less egregious to me than Guardian Ape because i hate Midir purely cause i fought him for clout instead of skipping him like i should have

kind garden
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anyways having experienced Sekiro, Elden Ring, and Armored Core 6 and kinda gotten a spread of different games with different levels of customizability and garage gaming, Armored Core is peak and I need an AC game with as much Nonsense in it as Elden Ring's got

frozen olive
warped quest
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fun fact those are not ranged attacks

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they are melee attacks

kind garden
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parry that Godzilla beam, raiden

atomic plinth
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Wish FromSoft hadn't tied drop rates to a particular stat ngl

warped quest
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yeah

real shadow
warped quest
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droprate is even worse in every game for some insane reason

icy creek
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I dont see how armored core is a soulslike at all. Like… its nothing like a souls game

old brook
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You.. lock on >:|a

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and thus Zelda OOT is a soulslike

kind garden
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Arcane is better than Luck but in terms of ridiculous dangling stats in soulslikes

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Luck is pretty hard to beat

warped quest
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i hate luck the most

frozen olive
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godless stat

warped quest
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resistance was inoffensive

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adp you didn't need much investment in for its use

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but it did more than 1 thing

kind garden
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ADP at least isn't like

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obtrusive

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you know?

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you just pay the ADP tax and move on

icy creek
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Luck stats in games fucking suck. I stand by that

warped quest
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luck only effects bleed and poison builds and item drop

kind garden
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nah you're right and you need to say it louder

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Luck was AWFUL in DkS3

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genuine what-the-fuck-are-you-cooking tier stat

warped quest
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i think luck is a fine stat as long its not one you put points into it

kind garden
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okay but that makes it dogshit actually

warped quest
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also why is the silver rune scrab at the end othe game

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ds1 didnt have a luck stat you put points into but it had a bunch of luck boosts

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as did ds2

kind garden
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oh you mean like

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yeah

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yeah that's fine

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it being a STAT that you put LEVELS in is what's wrong

warped quest
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100 at base 210 at 10 soft humanity and another 200 from gold ring

kind garden
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even Bloodtinge is like

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okay from why you gotta do people like this and drop a stat that is incomprehensible to a normal human being

warped quest
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ds2 is wait what

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"Burning Bonfire Ascetic will increase item discovery on enemies in that area. The increase begins at +150 for bonfire intensity 2 and caps at +375 for bonfire intensity 8." this is the first ive heard of this

kind garden
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fucking what

languid tiger
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that's fextra

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so check ur sources

kind garden
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anyways my feelings about Bloodtinge are that Bloodborne is a ridiculous, deliberately obscure game and Bloodtinge is emblematic of it

languid tiger
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i have no idea if it's true and i've also never heard that before

warped quest
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im looking aroudn now

icy creek
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What do you reccomend i use if not fextra?

languid tiger
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nothing, fromsoft games have two dogshit wikis and nothing else

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ds1 has its wikidot

icy creek
languid tiger
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which is good and not owned by either subhuman shitbag company

frozen olive
languid tiger
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but there are zero better options for other games

languid tiger
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that is how i feel :))))

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:))))))))

kind garden
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The best way to learn more about DkS2 is to watch Limit Breakers videos, unironically

languid tiger
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it's not fun to report either

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there is a fextralife wiki

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which is dogshit

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and a fandom wiki

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which is dogshit

icy creek
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I love how every community has that one source that theyre like: “oh my god, NEVER use that source” and then when you ask for other sources theyre like: “you just gotta look yourself dude”

languid tiger
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and, more importantly, both of those companies also suck

frozen olive
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thinking about the DLC and difficult fights reminds me i still need to do the Old King Ending for ACFA

languid tiger
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i'm not fucking telling you "you gotta look yourself"

warped quest
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i do think ds2 might have one of the goofiest quest in the series

languid tiger
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i'm saying that there isn't anything

warped quest
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that iforget exists

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the PIG QUEST

languid tiger
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we have bad options

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and no good options

kind garden
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Like deadass, there is not a resource, we are all coping and seething together

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Go watch Limit Breakers or something

icy creek
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So what options should I use tho? If not fextra. What do you use?

languid tiger
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you use fextra

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or fandom

kind garden
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I mean realistically you cross reference both wikis if a piece of information is sus or obscure and if they report differently you go “well shit”

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And either ask someone who knows or look it up externally

icy creek
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I respect that i suppose.

kind garden
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Like

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Topple isn’t saying “don’t use X wiki” just because the companies are bad

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There’s also just wrong info in there

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No one can do anything about it

icy creek
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Yeah but again, especially for a game like souls… at least its info

languid tiger
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yeah i'm not saying don't

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i'm saying i wish i could say don't

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but i can't

icy creek
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I fw that.

languid tiger
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because we have two options

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and they fucking suck

real shadow
kind garden
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Fun fact: if you make unsubstantiated claims about what happens in ascetic levels 2+ in any given region of Dark Souls 2, people will just nod their heads

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And if you use mods to fabricate video evidence it’ll get added to wikis

obtuse halo
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LMAO

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yeah that sounds about right

kind garden
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Source: I ran into bad info that was fabricated this way during my SotFS playthrough

languid tiger
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oof

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what was it?

obtuse halo
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did you know on Ascension 2+, Old Iron King will actually speak to you during his boss fight, telling you how much he misses and loves Sir Alonne?

warped quest
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im going to take a guess you wanted the spells from

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challncor

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Chancellor Wellager

obtuse halo
kind garden
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I think it was a torch lighting situation in the Gutter

languid tiger
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ahh

atomic plinth
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This was definitely worth the farming effort

SPOILER_image.png
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Much nicer than the base Horned Warrior armor, the white toga makes it much easier to match with other stuff and it's a nicer color anyhow

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Do wish it had the yellow version's large shoulder plate though

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Oh well

languid tiger
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big fan of yuuge pauldrons, yeah

atomic plinth
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Now to find some pants and gloves that match

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Side note, Dane's Hat is fucking awesome

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Goes good with just about anything

obtuse halo
#

it's a good hat

old brook
#

I can't escape Skull

mellow silo
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I am become neckbeard

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Three Miladys on this character

old brook
#

It's not Milady's fault they gave it the coolest moveset

frail sky
#

My brain refuses to read milady how it’s actually pronounced for some reason

old brook
#

it's Malady to my brain for some reason

frail sky
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It’s mil-ady for me

vestal night
real shadow
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M'lady

frail sky
languid tiger
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oh, are they more than bare-bones now?

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because when i checked ds2's wikidot a couple years back, it was kind of a shell

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but that'd be incredible to see

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/hear

frail sky
frail sky
languid tiger
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ah, unfort

atomic plinth
#

...holy shit, Azula Beastman Ashes are GOOD

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Could use some extra tankiness but goddamn are they ever vicious

icy creek
#

Are dual light greatswords any good?

#

I just got ledas sword

atomic plinth
#

Moveset's pretty decent yeah

atomic marsh
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They're really cool

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If nothing else

atomic plinth
#

Ayyyyyyyyyyyyy

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kind garden
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when I was doing a coop run with friends we got invaded by a guy with an extraordinarily transphobic name I will not be repeating and I remember going "dude we cannot afford to lose this one, this guy in specific needs to go down"

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they played like CHEEKS

feral linden
#

did you get them

kind garden
#

yeah we got 'em

atomic plinth
#

Did you teabag him

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Point down

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Throw roped fetid pots at his corpse even

kind garden
#

we did point down and teabag

atomic plinth
#

Excellent

kind garden
#

but not until after I hard swapped from my haha funtimes coop build to the sweatiest, most tryhard-ass kit I had access to

spark pine
#

Gaius down. Dang that guy was relentless

atomic plinth
#

WOOHOO

spark pine
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But not as relentless as dat black flame baybee

frail sky
atomic plinth
#

And that's another ending obtained

image.png
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Now for the Age of Undeath and the Age of Frenzied Flame

real shadow
obtuse halo
#

i've done every ending except Age of Dung and the default you-did-no-sidequests-loser ending

mighty warren
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|| I DID IT, I KILLED RADHAN||

frail sky
proven cloak
mighty warren
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|| i got the lowest i did on a prior run but because i was more aggro the moment i hit that tiny remaining health i proc'd a bleed and he died||

proven cloak
#

person had a really squint dogwhistle name in the pvp zones

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unfortunately

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was better at pvp than me

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😔

atomic plinth
#

Killed Greyoll

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Wasn't really worth it

#

At least now I can get Greyoll's Roar

stone cove
#

Greyroll is something you do asap in the run 😛

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Because it's such a biiiiig lump of runes

atomic plinth
#

Aye

warped quest
#

i usally wait until after geting the rune scarab

obtuse halo
#

I almost never bother with the rune scarab

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just in general really

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game gives you plenty

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that said I do frequently skip straight to greyoll and gain a cool 15 levels off the bat to get my build started

stone cove
#

I will grab a couple of golden fowl foots because there's several very early in the run that are super easy to get

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and then use one of htose for g reyroll and one for the suicidal night cav also in caelid

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and that's a healthy 150k+ post buffs to get started

warped quest
#

a good early garming spo tis

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the militia

stone cove
#

Oh, i dont b other grinding, that's booring

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and i'm always way too strong for the early game XD

warped quest
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they are so spread out that its easy to single them out

stone cove
#

The milita are nice if i really need a quick 1k or so though

warped quest
#

i often buy a lot of the little knicknacks form merchants so

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well i did on last run cause i wasnt sure what i wanted to do

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i do think my next run will probally be a magic only run

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idk if i will lock it to inctations or sorcries or just do either

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i will say igon is so good it almost makes me want to do a bow run

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maybe in a modded version of er

mighty warren
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|| Not using the summons genuinely a big play, what i did was bring out taylew and just had that man face tank radhan while maintaining both our health with heal from afar||

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|| I think i did ansbach proud by finishing him with a bleed||

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I wish i could've finished it with Hilde at my side instead but she crumples too fast

vivid spire
#

Help yall I'm encountering so much biphobia in the ER fandom online

#

People don't like that I and friends shipped Malenia with a amab OC

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Cursed ngl

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I may try this

mighty warren
#

i keep trying help folk by joining em in coop but i keep getting bayle and the host keeps dying

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everytime i do shout 'curse you bayle' though

covert schooner
#

All I’ll say about ER quest lines

frail sky
#

Question: is it possible to kill Leda? ||Before her boss fight I mean||

covert schooner
#

Is that I did all of them except for ||black syrup and Leda v Ansbach|| without looking up anything except for one singular time

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So it’s not impossible

stone cove
covert schooner
#

There’s just a degree of like….. okay, the shadow keep is obviously big and important, so I just

#

Didn’t go there

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Until it was literally the last possible thing I could do

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Because progress in exploration has always always always progressed NPC questlines

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It’s not great but if you play a lot of souls games you get a feel for where the game wants you to go

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And you should go there only on threat of death lmao

mighty warren
#

That is

8 summons in a row that have been to bayle, why do i keep getting summoned there....?

covert schooner
#

Anyway idk, I don’t think that these NPCs are any worse than like, every game other than base game ER
And I don’t love how ER’s quests basically felt like you couldn’t fuck them up

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Like…. It’s because she’s linked to an important game mechanic, but the fact that roderika’s questline can kinda just finish itself takes away a lot of what I like about souls NPCs

#

Also getting different quest rewards for different quest lines is a classic fromsoft thing

stoic sleet
#

idk why

covert schooner
#

https://youtu.be/-VbbxJhNWrI?si=3GgMyivM9MI2BPca

YouTube
kitetales
This HUGE clue about Marika might solve the timeline | Elden Ring S...

Marika, the Jar Saint, the Seduction and the Betrayal, what Radagon is; we look at it all!! #eldenring #lore #fromsoftware

Chapters:
Intro 00:00
The Three Statues: 00:19
Baby Messmer and the Braid 01:58
The Divine Spiral 04:13
The Jar Saint 05:48
Empyrean Hornsent Grandam 08:15
The Empyrean Eye 10:38
The Snake in Bonny Village 12:48
Birth o...

▶ Play video
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DLC spoilers heavy but good lord

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There’s some revelations here

frail sky
mighty warren
#

god you know something i wish elden ring had
i dont care if its a spell or weapon art, i just wanna grab someone by the face and just cast fire right onto it
frenzied flame s o r t a has a move like that but its more well
frenzied

obtuse halo
#

inescapable frenzy is definitely that, yeah

mighty warren
#

I want something more eh... unsure what the word i looking for is

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not refined, just less "mad"

#

Ah well, flame skewer follow up gives me the closest ill ever have

#

Er to clarify i just mean like
Ugh theres probably something i can reference iunno what, just a quick one handed grab of sorts

gray leaf
#

I feel like there's two types of Elden RIng lore/analysis video:

  • By looking into the code, we can show the full model of the sprite. Here's some stuff which is already in the game, but you might not have been able to see it. It's unclear what exactly this means, so I'm going to just list some similar other things if any exist. I'm not going to try to draw any grand inferrences from this.
  • This tiny detail completely blows open the entire plot of the game and changes everything you thought you knew! We can link this with 5 other pieces of canonical evidence, 4 unproven theories, and a piece of cut content to create a full picture which is nothing like what you thought before!
old brook
#

Truly buckwild they looked at the game and said ||More Fallingstar Beast||

proven cloak
#

all the repeated worldbosses in the dlc felt like old friends

#

like "eyyyyy Magma Wyrm! you sly dog, what are YOU doing here!"

proven cloak
#

I took it as the latter, but people really like the Marika = Homunculus stuff huh

obtuse halo
#

The ||surprise Revenant|| Tibia Mariner managed to scare the shit out of me

proven cloak
#

same

mighty warren
#

|| the tree sentinel jumpscare was funny as fuck||

atomic plinth
#

Lmao yeah

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"JESUS FUCKIN CHRI-wait what the fuck are YOU doing here you fucking goober??"

left willow
#

Is there something I'm missing with the ||Flower NPC after the Putrid Knight?|| Or is it just a weird lil fromsoft NPC?

dusty kraken
obtuse halo
#

||enough to die. Several times||

glossy delta
#

||also, go talk to Thiollier||

obtuse halo
#

Death ahead, but try Death

atomic plinth
#

||It's a TREACHEROUS way down, there's bloodfiends and death rite birds and a whole lotta nasty shit in the way, and he said it himself, thick as two planks and weak as a kitten||

median rock
#

fromsoft npcs are just goated with it as soon as you're not looking

#

i was thinking about that earlier today - i killed one guy in fort haight, how the fuck did kenneth clear out everybody there + parley with the demihumans

mighty warren
#

I assume they also just sneak more often than not/minimize fights

covert schooner
proven cloak
#

the ritual is definitely supposed to invoke the crucible, and might've been used in the society (Enir-Illm definitely has a lot of body-trees and body-stonework)

covert schooner
#

I think both reads are equally supported by evidence

proven cloak
#

but the idea of a 'saint' as a specific type of being they were trying to make, over 'throw the naughty ones in the jar to make them useful'

#

its a reach, imo

covert schooner
#

Saint is a very specific word

proven cloak
#

wish I knew someone who had a stronger grasp on japanese to see what they do with it

covert schooner
#

The shamans are also told it’s absolutely an honor

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To be in the jar

#

Which I think would be a weird detail

#

If it was a punishment

proven cloak
#

the hornsent ghosts act like it is

#

theres one in Belerut(?) who mentions that he'll change his behavior - "anything but the jar!"

#

"I'll be a living saint [instead]"

proven cloak
#

but Marika definitely could've been revered by the Hornsent before she betrayed(?) them

#

the crusade seems to have started much, much later than her ascension and early wars for the Erdtree

fleet bronze
#

The placed where jars made and the people are out in them are also explicitly jails. I think there's room for the Hornsent both to see the jars as something holy and as a punishment

proven cloak
#

yeah also a good point

fleet bronze
#

They want to make the jars, being put in a jar is terrible and no one volunteers, so they make the jars in to an execution effectively

proven cloak
#

or the curseblades doing ceremonial bloodletting while trying to become tutelary deities, or Enir-Illm having a 'cleansing chamber' right before the divine gate

#

theres a religious culture of purification

#

taking the condemned and 'recycling' them into the jar-innards fits that vibe to me

proven cloak
#

exploring Belurat (near where you get the ||secret Twinblade||), I noticed all this dust(?) at the foot of the tower

covert schooner
#

Yeah I definitely think it’s probably a both thing

proven cloak
#

which obviously looks really similar to the cleansing chamber room

covert schooner
#

Yeah that’s probably the same - yeah

proven cloak
#

the ash items you get from the dieties

#

Revered Spirit Ash?

#

"was said to quietly accumulate in the palms of [the ancestor gods] hands."

#

I wonder if the tower isn't just a huge spiritual lure operating on the same principles

#

(if it does use bodies as one of its main materials)

#

instead of specific pure ancestors attracting little bits of ash,

#

a tower of the dead causing a massive pile at the base

#

since you find some ash in the storehouse it might just pool wherever theres a lot of concentrated 'life-energy'

#

not really surprising, but neat if thats what its supposed to be implying

obtuse halo
left willow
#

Anyone up to jolly cooperation against Malenia?

median rock
stone cove
#

if he took the field and rallied them + thge loss of the solider's leadership at that fort

#

(and demi humans are scary to anything that's not the fucking tarnished, esp at night)

median rock
#

oh damn ur right I actually re read his dialogue

#

I thought it was run by like. not insane stormveil ppl before

#

and the mohg fan guy just took over for a bit, w the demihumans being the same general problem they are in half of south limgrave

#

(at least as far as the godrick gang is concerned)

#

but no bro already had the alliance in the back apparently lol

stone cove
#

Notably, it looks like he's already befirended them and had them at his fort

#

and then the troops swept in and killed the queen

#

and he left to fidn help

median rock
#

professional diplomat

stone cove
#

Pretty much!

#

The demi-humans get a shit treatment and it's ironically.. weridly cool that for all Heigh is a bit of a jerk, he's a veryo pen minded jerk

#

Which is probably why he actually gets a good ending

mighty warren
#

man i wish i can like
reset just the dlc, i wanna get that priestess ashes damnit

median rock
#

yeah hes just an arrogant dipshit not a bad person

mighty warren
#

it reminds me of why i appreciate remnant 2's angle of 'reset this specific zone'

median rock
#

dungeon tp to caelid for Radahn, mohg via varre quest and ur there in under an hour ime

real shadow
stone cove
#

Bleegh

#

I cannot tell how i want to take my character's build further

#

becausei 'm really enjoying throwing giants flame stuff at things

#

but the need for Mind is killer.

kind garden
#

blue amber talisman

#

preceptor hat

stone cove
#

Those.. really dont solve the problem (one fahsion, also, my talisman slots are crushed as it is.

#

Like i know what i rpobalby need to do, it's just making the stuff click togther

#

it's frustrating and i'm complaining about it as is my right

#

The main issue is i'm just being pulled in too many directions

#

and i need to pick a lane because of the way damage buff stacking etc works

grave plinth
golden pond
#

god, thorn sorceries suck

stone cove
#

I thought they were going well if setup right?

golden pond
#

i'm talking about these

Zm8TwVs.png
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in case you were thinking of impe thorns

stone cove
#

No, those are what I was thinking of

golden pond
#

they're just so slow and the damage is so bad 😭

#

watching bushy try to squeeze out every bit of damage

#

rennala phase 1 💀

GpjFPic.png
#

with all this

QtW0dHO.png
#

like yeah you ca ndo it 3 times pretty quickly

#

but then you're stuck for like 3 seconds if you do the 3rd one

stone cove
#

I mean his build seems terrible for squeezing damage out of them?

golden pond
#

he's struggling to kill bosses to actually get the stuff lmao

stone cove
#

And you doing magic damage to the magic damage resistant boss

golden pond
#

bleed is nice but man

old brook
#

The long ranged one isn't so bad tbh, but it's also not for boss killing

stone cove
#

Yeah, dunno, this feels like complaining multi hit spells are weak

#

Like this is the worst possible environment, and his build isn't even good

#

Of course it's going to struggle this early on?

#

He's missing a huge chunk of modifiers for damage

golden pond
#

skipped ahead and it feels better but still, idk

old brook
#

Multi hit spells feel like planting a tree they start so shaky and then endgame its comedy damage, haven't tried thorns as much

golden pond
#

just feels weird to me i guess

stone cove
#

(Elden Ring's multiplicative scaling means that like Millicent's by itself is good, winged is also good, and then you stack everything Ave the results are insane)

old brook
#

Ancient Death Rancor is so fun to chase as a spellsword

#

Have a Carian Phalanx up

#

'Dodge all this and my r2'

stone cove
#

In brairs case there's an entire armor set that buffs them as well

#

Magic scorpion ofc, and the sorcerery talismans

#

And the guilty staff + alburniac staff

old brook
#

I missed magic scorpion on this char v-v seluvis you useless pervert

stone cove
#

It gets very very silly

golden pond
#

probably just my head not liking it i guess, idk

#

also man

old brook
#

I mean it's never going to be Super Fully Buffed Ranni's Moons :p

golden pond
#

6% per piece except legs is funny

#

that's kinda my issue, the numbers just go so high

#

makes everything else just feel terrible to use to me

#

need to find a guy to rewire my brain

stone cove
#

Sorry I'm lost

#

What goes so high number wise everything else feels bad?

golden pond
#

moons

#

specifically ranni

#

and her dum dum sword

old brook
#

Just go run that 100k oneshot build or somethin

golden pond
#

didn't that get fixed

old brook
#

I thought he made the video like yesterday idk

#

i'm not exactly a best build hound

golden pond
#

2 weeks ago

#

perfume build

covert schooner
#

Idk, just use the sword then

#

If you don’t want to use anything else

#

Seems p simple to me

golden pond
#

I've never said i don't wnat to use anything else

covert schooner
#

But also, doing bad damage is also fine

#

Just think of it as a challenge run

#

Lynn’s super hard extra cool no Ranni run lol

old brook
#

The enemies will be more insulted that you beat them with unpopular magicks

golden pond
#

i'd love to do a challange run

#

alas, i suck at the game

old brook
#

that said you still haven't won me over, Explosive Ghostflame

#

get hyperarmor, you

golden pond
#

ghostflame ignition?

old brook
#

Nawh the spell version

#

that is worse is both regards

golden pond
#

o ye

#

i've never killed a deathbird except the one in the dlc

old brook
#

why is the AoW so fuckin good, like, lordt

covert schooner
#

It is really funny that the DMG never got nerfed despite probably being the best ash in the game

golden pond
old brook
#

nawh even just the flame itself

#

does insane, insane damage over time

#

and instant frost buildup

#

kind of rude to Death's Poker they introduced a global version

golden pond
#

i still think it's funny it's a greatsword

#

this a fuckin' club

old brook
#

don't you curse me with the club moveset

atomic plinth
#

Agreed, that is a bonking stick

old brook
#

it is a rake

golden pond
#

give it the hollowslayer moveset

atomic plinth
#

Well you're hardly gonna hit anyone with the actual rake bit

old brook
#

I thought about powerstancing that and Helphens but literally the like.. they're too different looking

atomic plinth
#

Tbh I wish Death's Poker was less fuckugly

old brook
#

see i like fuckugly business

atomic plinth
#

It's an interesting design but it just looks

#

Not very great

old brook
#

could have more death to it

#

truly looks like a tool you found in a shed

golden pond
#

well you did find it on a bird

fMMAYCs.png
old brook
#

the implements of death itself

image.png
golden pond
#

i mean yeah?

#

poke the body with the fork and slap it in a hole you just dug with the shovel

old brook
#

these aren't complaints

golden pond
#

cover the hole and use rakes to make it nice and flat

old brook
#

i'm all for this

atomic plinth
#

I fucking WISH we'd gotten a shovel

golden pond
#

||now i'm thinking of an alternate midra fight where you pull out the greatsword and get to ues it against him like it's yhorm||

atomic plinth
#

Objectively hilarious weapon

#

I want to beat the Elden Beast via market gardening

kind garden
#

I mean, Death’s Poker is very obviously and intentionally a fire poker, lmao

#

It’s in the name and the design

golden pond
#

😔 should've been a unique hammer

kind garden
old brook
#

stock images are weird lately

kind garden
#

That they are

old brook
#

took me too long to find some normal-looking garden tools lmao

#

do we know who created Gravebirds, anyhow

kind garden
#

No but they’re golems

#

So they may be yet another product of the mysterious Golem-Maker

old brook
#

Who were you, cool golem making person/peoples

#

I love your work

#

also is your Scriptsmithing related to the Giant Smithing or are they just adjacent, and there's so many competing types of fire

kind garden
#

Most fucked up part is we got the smith golems and that should’ve been the end of it but no~

#

Because the smithing golems are themselves golems created by the golem-maker

old brook
#

Questionably sapient golems

kind garden
#

Definitely maybe sapient smithing golems

old brook
#

I can't fight 'em now, they're too cute

#

the Mausoleum Cat-Dogs however see no quarter

atomic plinth
#

Fuck those watchdogs

old brook
#

The moveset is a fun gimmick the first couple times but horgh

#

Re-runs of some of the Graves are felt for sure

real shadow
atomic plinth
#

Fuck me why is the ledge to get to Placidusax so tiny

warped quest
#

ive noticed a lot of the bosses ive disliked just punish you for even thinking of playing melee

atomic plinth
#

Lmao I'm farming the helmet of an armor set and the enemy dropped literally every piece EXCEPT the helmet

SPOILER_image.png
covert schooner
#

Man y know dlc are t usually eligible but this needs to win soundtrack of the year

#

The bells in the final track of the game go fucking insane

atomic plinth
#

Man, I got my hopes up and everything lmfao

image.png
#

Great prank

covert schooner
#

Cant believe they got my ass again with the story trailer having ||the final boss theme||

atomic plinth
#

Called Glory To Christ
Not a Faith build
Ironic

image.png
warped quest
#

I not like lord of aoe boss

covert schooner
#

Oh, big daddy Sauron?

#

He can be really tough yeah

warped quest
#

i don't evne know what you do against some of them just face tank it?

kind garden
#

shield

atomic plinth
#

Y'all got any reccs for good ranged spirit ashes?

warped quest
#

latenna and dorothy

atomic plinth
#

Want some support for Malenia that won't also heal her up to full when she comboes them

#

Dorothy?

kind garden
#

Redmane Knight Ogha

warped quest
#

sleep archer

#

honestly i kinda don't recomend a summon for her

#

maybe the bird

kind garden
#

I was not aware of this wrinkle:
May use a rain of gravitational arrows in response to a war cry, but only once.

#

what a weird bonus function to staple to a spirit ash

grave plinth
#

I'm fond of the Greatshield Soldiers

atomic plinth
#

That just seems like something he should be able to do as part of his moveset

atomic plinth
grave plinth
#

oof yeah

atomic plinth
#

Besides, if I need a tank I have Taylew

warped quest
#

for maleina specificly yeah

atomic plinth
#

God I love Taylew

#

Built like a brick shithouse and he draws aggro like nothing else

grave plinth
#

The Mosh Pit lads were good against Relanna since her AI couldn't decide on one to focus down

atomic plinth
#

Whom?

grave plinth
#

Greatshield Soldiers

#

not applicable for Malenia, though she is similarly hypermobile

atomic plinth
#

Ah, right

#

I'll probably just go for Ogha

#

Him or Latenna

covert schooner
#

Or lhutel

atomic plinth
#

I remember how bad those archers in the evergaol fucked me up, I wonder if they'll fuck up bosses just as bad

covert schooner
#

She’s good for Malenia

kind garden
#

Ogha's a she

atomic plinth
#

True, she DOES teleport around a lot and chuck spears

#

Oh is she?

kind garden
#

wait is Ogha a she or did I get tricked

#

Huh.

#

No mention of pronoun or gender anywhere

atomic plinth
#

In our hearts, she's a woman

#

...I might do ancestral follower ashes

#

If they're anything like the snipers in Siofra River they'll absolutely ruin her day

warped quest
#

the stormhawk gives an attack boost

icy creek
#

Every major bossfight should let you summon an NPC that doesn't tangibly do much to help you but stands on the sidelines screaming.

#

(Igon my beloved)

stoic sleet
#

Nothing like having an NPC buddy in a boss fight to scream "ME AND THIS GUY I KINDA KNOW ARE GONNA FUCK YOU UP!!"

#

Same with Hornsent in Messmer's fight

atomic plinth
#

...well Oghma did shitall

icy creek
#

I wanna be clear, the less they do the better.

atomic plinth
#

I'll try Latenna

#

Even when Oghma landed his shots they did like... 211 damage?

#

I think?

#

Shame

#

It's weird cause you'd figure a greatbow would be dealing a lot more damage than a measly 211

warped quest
#

oghma is not as powerful as a ranged one

#

they have a lot of hp and can stunlock some stuff

glossy delta
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Yeah at the root of it Ogha is a tank
He pulls with gravity arrows and then hes a greatshield user

atomic plinth
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Ah, I see

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Yeah I definitely should use Latenna if that's the case

warped quest
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i honestly thinkg maelina and summons is not a good combo most o the time

covert schooner
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Hornsent is a champ

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He fucks up messmer so hard

warped quest
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that or use a summon that has such low hp that it dies fast in a way you just want it to distract for a bit

icy creek
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Summons basically help malenia. You gotta do it solo

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I am also a weird no-summon purist though so I only tried it twice.

warped quest
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i used the bird for the buff and it either doesnt get hit or it just dies

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so it doesnt give much health to her

grave plinth
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Tiche used to be super good against Malenia but she got nerfed a while ago

steel scroll
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did she get nerfed at some point? they fixed a bug with her death rune thing vanishing on death or whatever

icy creek
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Absolutely not

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I mean maybe but I recently fought her for the first time and I died easily a hundred times

steel scroll
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tiche, not malenia

languid tiger
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minor numerical adjustments

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still very good

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just less of it

warped quest
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she was also buffed

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her blade attack was diffrent and looks a lot weaker and easier to dodge

atomic plinth
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Is Gavel of Haima any good?

obtuse halo
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It's certainly a lot of fun

grave plinth
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The Haima spells are for getting rid of clumps of mobs

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They’re good for farming

obtuse halo
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I use Gavel of Haima in PvP and it's a joy

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Cannon of Haima is a room wiper if you learn to free aim

grave plinth
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Im fond of the cannon myself

obtuse halo
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it's super funny in the Haligtree Canopy

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just knock a pile of enemies off a ledge

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it has a massive AoE when charged and tons of knockback

grave plinth
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I like using to to farm albinauric patrols in Mohg’s area

atomic plinth
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...eh, Gavel probably isn't useful for me, given I'm a spellsword build

obtuse halo
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it's the kind of thing that's only useful up close anyway, I'd think of it as a mixup

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it's probably more useful in pvp than boss fights though

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it smashes players flat to the ground

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whereas bosses will just hyperarmor right through it

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It will knock Malenia on her ass though

atomic plinth
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...how the fuck do you avoid Waterfowl

languid tiger
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there are two methods and they're both extremely specific and arcane

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look em up on youtube

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speedruns or tutorials or something

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alternatively: fucking pray

atomic plinth
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Worst part of the fight

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Every other attack is fair, if punishing

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That move is just "teehee ur dead"

languid tiger
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it's the worst thing in a fromsoft game, yeah

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it's avoidable but only in the most fucking frustrating ways

atomic plinth
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||Oh no, Promised Consort's laser spam is||

languid tiger
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no, it really isn't

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that's extremely avoidable

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just hug

slender loom
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Waterfowl dance’s main problem is that avoiding it is a bit counterintuitive and difficult to really practice

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If you can get it down, though, it really changes the fight

obtuse halo
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For Waterfowl if you're already a distance away, just book it directly away from her for the first two bursts and dodge through her for the third burst (she gets too much accel on that one to outrun, but she's locked in and can easily overshoot you). Simple and effective.

atomic plinth
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And if you're not far away?

warped quest
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the best way to handle water fowl is to do the frost pot thing

obtuse halo
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If you're up close it's a little trickier - the most consistent method is running a circle around her while she telegraphs to confuse her targeting before rolling off to a side when she starts moving, then acting as above

atomic plinth
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Yeah, but after the first pot it doesn't really work

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Cause she'll get more resistance to frost

mellow silo
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Set up some Frost beforehand so that you can pull a frost pot when needed

obtuse halo
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i've honestly never had much luck with the frost pot thing myself

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but I've beaten Malenia with a variety of builds now (including bow-only, where there's really no trick except to git gud) and got a lot of practice dodging her bullshit

atomic plinth
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...holy shit, Yosh is fucking NUTS for this fight

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Dude is popping OFF

obtuse halo
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any summon that consistently avoids attacks tends to do pretty well for Malenia

warped quest
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yosh?

atomic plinth
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Demihuman swordmaster

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DLC ashes

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Tiny, nimble, hard to hit, deals weirdly high damage for his size

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Honestly if it wasn't for Waterfowl this fight would be a lot better

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...shit not even Waterfowl itself, just how hard it is to dodge and how much damage it deals

languid tiger
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if it was either waterfowl or the three ways she cheats, I'd disdain her less

obtuse halo
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Waterfowl does definitely warp the nature of the fight

atomic plinth
obtuse halo
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She's still one of my favorite fights in the basegame

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but again, i'm the deranged person who comes at bosses with a tree branch and some twine

languid tiger
# atomic plinth Those three ways being?

lifesteal gimmick (interesting, understandable), ignores lethal damage when over 1 hp, animation cancels out of being flinched (and out of post-stagger flinch)

atomic plinth
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She animation cancels from flinching?

languid tiger
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from minor flinches, yeah

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it's her backpedal move

atomic plinth
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And wdym ignores lethal damage when over 1 HP?

languid tiger
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where you get that metallic clink sound

languid tiger
obtuse halo
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That was actually added in a patch as a countermeasure against a glitch, iirc

languid tiger
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idk if there's a threshold of damage that ignores this, but I don't think there is

atomic plinth
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...that's kinda silly

obtuse halo
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there used to be a glitch that if you finished her first phase with a critical her phase 2 healthbar wouldn't regain health and so phase 2 would die instantly

atomic plinth
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I guess that's understandable, but the 1 HP thing feels like a shoddy patch

frail sky
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Honestly, waterfowl is the only part of Malenia’s fight I don’t like

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Everything else is pretty fun

obtuse halo
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I like waterfowl a lot more after I figured it out

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it's definitely a weird one though lol

languid tiger
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the spacing on both dodge patterns is so fucking finicky, though

obtuse halo
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at the same time, it's such an iconic move that I feel like the fight would lose some of its energy without it

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though yeah the spacing could be less finicky

atomic plinth
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Yeah, it's one of those things where it's like

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"This sucks, but it's also cool so I kinda don't wanna see it go"

languid tiger
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i just respect nothing about her or her fight as a consequence

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of most of what she's got going on

warped quest
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i think adding jumping was a mistake

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that or attacks that expect you t ojump

languid tiger
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attacks that force jumping are fucking hilarious though

warped quest
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other than godrick's slam and a few others none of them look jumpable

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but yeah thats how you dodge them

languid tiger
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that's fair

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they could have different visual cues

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to signal jumpability

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or uh

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the sekiro thing

warped quest
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skyscraper level visuals

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"just jump"

languid tiger
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for unblockables

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i'm fine with them as they are, but giving a cue for "this particlefuckery attack can be dodged with a white boy hop"

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would probably increase a good chunk of people's enjoyment

warped quest
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surge realised it was stupid and just never did it again

languid tiger
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surge?

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that one game?

warped quest
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yeah surge had a jump dodge and a duck dodge

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there was a few attacks that required them

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in the 2nd game thers nothing that does

languid tiger
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ahh

warped quest
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but if you pullthem off you do get a good counter attack

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im also really tired of the dlc having aoes that are so silly that are either undodgable entirely

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or you need to start running away from them before they even do it

languid tiger
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what aoes are undodgeable?

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i can't think of any

warped quest
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if you don't start runinng from midras before he even starts it your not gonna dodge it

languid tiger
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huh?

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the phase transition one?

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i found the timing pretty generous on spacing, and you can roll through it too

warped quest
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its not a transition

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it does it multiable times

languid tiger
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huh, i never had him do it other than during phase transition

warped quest
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ive seen him do it earlyer than half and later than half

languid tiger
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oh yeah ER phase 2s are like

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usually 60-70%, depending on the boss

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think midra's up there in "gets second phase unlock at 65"

warped quest
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even then he did it really early for me once

languid tiger
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but enemies will have actions cued before their transition attacks

warped quest
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and really late another time

languid tiger
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yeah not sure

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wack

warped quest
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like 75% health and the 2nd was at like 10%

mellow silo
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Does fighting Messmer fuck up the Ansbach/Freyja quest?

warped quest
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yes

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i have no idea what to use for a 2nd tear in the final dlc boss

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i have the opal hard tear

languid tiger
stoic sleet
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I find it's hard to go wrong with the stamina regen tear

mellow silo
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Surely fighting as a summon won't fuck anything up Clueless

languid tiger
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i can promise it doesn't

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the thing that fucks up ansbach/freyja is giving him the scroll before you talk to freyja

stoic sleet
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Especially since it stacks with the turtle talismans

mellow silo
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Oh so I've already failed

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Wonderful pain

languid tiger
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yeah that one's annoying

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messmer just forces a specific resolution of leda & hornsent

mellow silo
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Haven't even found Freyja yet

languid tiger
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i.e. instead of ganking or protecting him, you fight messmer with him

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but that doesn't impede any of the ansbach stuff

old brook
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Freya offers the least of every quest iirc so at least there's that

obtuse halo
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for what it's worth with Freyja's quest, all you're missing out on is dialogue ||and a fight|| really. It's not like some of the others where you miss out on gear

languid tiger
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yeah

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||you get her gear when she dies no matter what||

atomic marsh
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You do miss out on a shield

obtuse halo
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honestly I should have intentionally failed Freyja's quest on bow-only. It would have made my life easier

mellow silo
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I wanted the fight tbh

languid tiger
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||all you lose is her lore dialogue and her presence in Those United In Purpose||

obtuse halo
languid tiger
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oh

old brook
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It's also all.. very specific aesthetic

languid tiger
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i think that's just the weapon and armor

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not the shield

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i only got the rest of the gear

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not the shield

frozen olive
languid tiger
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dang

frozen olive
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for some reason all of it dropped two times

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including the weapon

languid tiger
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i got everything else twice

kekdog.png
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but no shields

warped quest
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i just now noticed that backhand blade is a dual weapon

frozen olive
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yes

languid tiger
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that whole class is, yeah

atomic plinth
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I ought to use backhand blades more, they're real cool

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Especially the curseblade cirque

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It's absolute mall ninja shit but it looks so cool

atomic plinth
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I don't get why the Beastman Cleaver is a curved greatsword

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That shit's a regular greatsword if anything

languid tiger
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curve :)

image.png
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but yeah i think it's just the moveset

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it fits that swangy shit way more than just smac smac