the Man-Flies might actually be connected to the Formless Mother
#Elden Ring (DLC hype room)
grave plinth
kind garden
I mean, sure, but we see the Manflies are all living in water runoff from the Rauh Ruins no
Just saying, it’s a disease that turns ya into a bug-person
Romina’s a bug-lady-saint-thing
grave plinth
Godwyn's also got flies buzzing around deathblight brambles
kind garden
That he does, insects are not exclusive to the Rot
glossy stag
Is scarlet rot that bad? Aside from it having first to wipe out all existence that was before it.
grave plinth
there's a lot of bugs y'know
gray leaf
Anyone who helped tend to/alleviate the symptoms of the man-flies did not get infected. This matters and I don't know why.
glossy stag
It does seem like all kinds of funky life comes along with/from rot.
gray leaf
decay is an extant form of life
languid tiger
Is scarlet rot that bad? Aside from it having first to wipe out all existence th...
it does seem to cause unspeakable harm to everything it touches
vivid spire
Nah I’d win
kind garden
I like to believe that the Cleanrot Knights will someday be rewarded for their faithfulness to their lady by shedding their armour and spreading beautiful wings
vivid spire
(Yeah it’s scary)
vivid spire
I like to believe that the Cleanrot Knights will someday be rewarded for their f...
YES BUTTERFLY YURI
languid tiger
I would call that pretty wack
vivid spire
B-but Malenia pretty…
grave plinth
I like to believe that the Cleanrot Knights will someday be rewarded for their f...
Knowing Malenia she'd probably be horrified
kind garden
Most likely
vivid spire
Yeah true maybe the rot isn’t all that good
Now do we still know if ||Moquella abandoned Malenia||
grave plinth
The Rot seems to like, instill instinctual loyalty to Malenia in victims who survive
glossy stag
I'm sure it would be fine. ||LET ROT TAKE THE WORLD||
kind garden
The Rot is clearly more than a disease or a decay because it simply does not touch those who cared for the man-flies
grave plinth
and any creatures that spontaneously generate from it, like the kindred, appear to have adoration of her as a basic trait
Assuming the Man Flies are born of the Rot
kind garden
Yeah, fair, but there’s other cases where the Rot just kinda… doesn’t do what it usually does
glossy stag
Do we have much information about kindred of rot?
languid tiger
not much
vivid spire
Not much
languid tiger
there's a bit
grave plinth
but in the base game, the Kindred of Rot believe that being infected is a gift
glossy stag
Aside from them being presumably somehow spawned from ut?
kind garden
Cleanrot Knights are just different
grave plinth
so being kind to the infected would be rewarded with...being infected
proven cloak
Is scarlet rot that bad? Aside from it having first to wipe out all existence th...
current scarlet rot, probably
but rot as a concept, probably not
kind garden
They’re just built different, I want to think sacrificing themselves to bear Malenia’s curse means something relative to that
proven cloak
like the forager brood items say all fermentation is rot
vivid spire
Unless you kill her and give millicents needle replacing the unalloyed gold needle which you take
That makes the third bloom which will hopefully fix things in a few hundred years
kind garden
Things are never simply malign by nature in Souls games, it’s a weird but tender element of the way these games are written
proven cloak
Just saying, it’s a disease that turns ya into a bug-person
imo it says "Formless Mother" more to me
proven cloak
what with the flies, blood spellcasters nearby, and the ones who cared not getting affected (Formless Mother has like, a little bit of a 'love for the unloved' thing going on)
kind garden
The R children are excluded from being cursed because they’re not produced of taboo
languid tiger
Were only R children not cursed somwhow?
they all had "curses" later in life
frail sky
Were only R children not cursed somwhow?
Them and Godwyn basically
grave plinth
what with the flies, blood spellcasters nearby, and the ones who cared not getti...
yeah the Formless Mother has a bit of Goddess of Misfits going on
languid tiger
but yeah, they were exempt
proven cloak
cursed from having Red Hair
grave plinth
Whereas as far as we can tell the Rot sees itself as sublime beauty
glossy stag
Oh right, the G line. So easily forgotten.
gray leaf
The children of Radagon and Marika were cursed, probably because Radagon is Marika... except that Ranni is an Empyrean and Radahn was inexplicably Large. And I heard a suggestion that Godwyn had or was connected to Deathblight before his death?
kind garden
I must admit, those spellcasters never brought out anything for me except the buff
So if they do blood sorcery, I missed that shit lol
languid tiger
The children of Radagon and Marika were cursed, probably because Radagon is Mari...
radahn wasn't inexplicably large
kind garden
The children of Radagon and Marika were cursed, probably because Radagon is Mari...
Ranni being Empyrean is not a curse and notably she has no imbued Outer God fuckery curse to go along with it
languid tiger
he was just normal large
as was ranni
and as such presumably rykard
so is rennala
kind garden
Radahn’s largeness is completely explicable
languid tiger
people with power are just pretty big
glossy stag
Ranni's body is pretty big.
kind garden
Power just makes you huge in Elden Ring
grave plinth
Its magic bro he ain't gotta explain shit
glossy stag
Rykard's face is pretty big on that snake
kind garden
You literally have a skill issue if you’re short in the Lands Between
Go kill some monsters or something
frail sky
~~Rykard's face is pretty big on that snake~~
Imagine that fight but Rykard’s face was normal person sized
languid tiger
pfft
gray leaf
I thought Radahn was explicitly called out as big but maybe I'm wrong, and Malenia and Miquella are both Empyreans and cursed and I suspect those two facts are roughly equivalent?
languid tiger
pulls a player model blasphemous blade
out of a normal sized mouth
wields it with the giant fucking snake hands
grave plinth
i know some people think Radahn practiced Dragon Communion
vivid spire
You see uh
As a hopeless romantic I must say Malenia can do no wrong
kind garden
Malenia and Miquella, like the kindling children, are children of a single god and therefore Empyrean on both sides lol
languid tiger
hm, nothing really points to that besides caelid imo
vivid spire
She’s just misunderstood
grave plinth
and the dragon blessing he got was "get big"
kind garden
At least I kinda assume Messmer and Melina were Empyrean and simply discarded because they were relieved of their Special Eyes
glossy stag
Messmer ||had the serpent in his eye, along with the kindling inside|| was Melina just ||kindling||?
kind garden
Messmer got a bum ass replacement, Melina lost her whole ass body
glossy stag
[Insert here a bad theory that Melina is the guidance of grace]
kind garden
Wack
grave plinth
honestly i wouldn't have been surprised if Melina was Marika pretending to be not-Marika
gray leaf
It's been all but stated external influences dwell within the eyes. And I absolutely love the fact that we could have gotten much more melina lore and instead we... didn't. We got confirmation of something that was kind of suspected, and that's it.
glossy stag
Shake Melina down for exposition.
kind garden
Melina isn’t even in the DLC so we can’t bully her for more lore smh
I kinda miss my travelling companion
frail sky
I wish she showed up more tbh
obtuse halo
Melina isn’t even in the DLC so we can’t bully her for more lore smh
Mandatory Vigor Checks for Hornsent
frail sky
Like, if she showed up every time you leveled up if something
obtuse halo
i'm kinda fine with her only showing up when she actually has something to say
it'd be nice if you could just call her and sit by the fire with her though
the proverbial fire. Look, you sit next to the grace like it's a bonfire anyway
that said yeah it'd be kind of nice to hang out with her in the dlc
grave plinth
I wish the Roundtable Hold had bit more regular faces
obtuse halo
on the other hand it'd be depressing to miss all that in a save where she is no longer alive (or just no longer present)
frail sky
i'm kinda fine with her only showing up when she actually has something to say
To me it just feels like she isn’t around often enough for me to notice anything changing after she dies
grave plinth
I really want a DLC where we meet her in the afterlife
obtuse halo
make it so that every time you summon torrent there's a 5% chance she's just riding behind you cuddling
frail sky
Cuddling you or cuddling Torrent?
obtuse halo
yes
kind garden
Okay but that’s setting you up for heartbreak later no matter what
Melina DOES leave your dog ass, Tarnished
gray leaf
I think that's the point.
obtuse halo
I maintain that any run of a "golden" ending includes accepting the frenzied flame long enough to burn the tree, then purging it with the needle. She'll be mad, but she probably will forgive you someday. Probably.
frail sky
I think that's the point.
Yeah, I want to actually feel her absence when she dies
atomic plinth
Agreed
proven cloak
I respect her right to chose her purpose
tbh most of the quests where an npc dies but gets what they want I see as good endings
they got their ambitions
atomic plinth
Agreed
left willow
I hate when ||gaius|| randomly passes through my spells.
mighty warren
Oh i know the feeling, i fought him with some friends earlier and seeing || him unintentionally duck my black flame balls was annoying||
dusty kraken
I wish the Roundtable Hold had bit more regular faces
One area I feel is a bit of a mistep on that front is not really establishing mr 'Told In Blood's' servant as a character in the first visit there before you later find her dead.
frail sky
...it feels odd that despite telling myself I'd do a dex build and beating Mohg way earlier than you're supposed to so I could get milady and backhand blades, I just ended up going "fuck it" and going all in on the marais executioner sword instead
I guess the dlc does have the putrid cleaver and ancient meteoric sword if I ever want to switch off of it
I am terrible at committing to runs as it turns out
stone cove
Hahaha
@frail sky for what it's worth, when i started my streamed run, i was like "Okay, wer're going strenght faith, here's why etcera"
Currently: Heavy dex, some fiath, Milady.
frail sky
Pffffft
stone cove
So don't feel bad
frail sky
...it feels odd that despite telling myself I'd do a dex build and beating Mohg ...
(I say all in but I’m not killing Millicent this run, I can just use the two handed talisman instead of her prosthesis and even get a better damage buff from it)
stone cove
i PUBLICALLY SAID WHAT I WAS DOING for reaosns of teaching the game
and then i failed ON STREAM
mostly because i kept picking upggreatswords and going these are great! I really the kNight's greatswoprd moveset! It makes me want to play MIlady!
...fuck it, we Milady.
mighty warren
I really wanna do light greatswords but dex is not my friend
median rock
beast clergyman might honestly be one of the most annoying required bosses in the game. up there with gideon
in particular, the fact that you can stand directly under him and be unable to hit him with short weapons, is mildly irritating
atomic plinth
LMFAO
I FUCKING FORGOT I WENT DOWN AN ELEVATOR AND NEVER SENT IT BACK UP
AND I FUCKING LOONEY TOONS FELL TO MY DEATH
That was fucking funny, goddamn
...also, interesting little detail I just noticed, there appears to be little glintstones appearing in the runes you drop
Fascinating
I wonder if that has any real implications
stone cove
I really wanna do light greatswords but dex is not my friend
Fwiw, it does fine heavy (esp if going two handed) and does well Magic/Sacred/Flame Art.
You only need to dex it up for Quality, Keen, Blood and Cold
proven cloak
...also, interesting little detail I just noticed, there appears to be little gl...
not sure if the devs meant anything by it, but ||Glintstone and Runes both carry the energy of life||
so they're at least connected
mighty warren
Fwiw, it does fine heavy (esp if going two handed) and does well Magic/Sacred/Fl...
Hm
admittedly i don't two hand often, i tend to have my seal or shield on hand at all times
atomic plinth
Holy SHIT I fucking LOVE PLACIDUSAX
This dude fucking RULES
OH my god
Such a thematic fight
...wish he had more health though, even with my shitty 628 AR Obsidian Lamina he's getting killed quite fast
mighty warren
Ah fuck it, i'll give it a try, worst case i just switch back
Mmm that seems rough
atomic plinth
...debating if I wanna help or kill Millicent
Cause on one hand, Prosthesis Talisman
On the other, I don't want to betray her
covert schooner
Man
Having finished the dlc now
||Holy shit the Miquella/Griffith parallels run deep huh||
||casting aside everything for a world of “kindness” that must ultimately be controlled and brought about through horrors and atrocities||
||including violating and nearly killing one of the people who trusted you most in the world (Melania, in the case of of Miquella||
proven cloak
||Idk much about Griffith, but is he nearly as well-intentioned?||
||From what I've heard, he seemed more self interested, while Miquella is driven by geniune desire to improve life for people||
covert schooner
||ehhhhHHhhh arguably. He wants to create a genuinely good kingdom, at least whatever that looks like - with some expression of desire for the good it would bring people||
mighty warren
Mmm that seems rough
nvm flame skewer makes this thing fun as hell
atomic plinth
...ugh
Obsidian Lamina really could go for a buff
Namely a reduction in the stamina use, this thing fucking eats through stamina
...could also go without the longass pause when you use the weapon art
Eh. AR's passable at least.
And the Bleed buildup
Hella stylish too
mighty warren
I think thats better than my prior look honestly
(banished knight helm will not leave my inventory until there is another helm that gives me a shawl AND covers my face)
atomic plinth
Banished knight helm fucks
mighty warren
i just feel generic using it but also like
shawls are so fuckin' rare on helmets
even rarer on a full helm
left willow
anyone wanna play elden ring in VC?
Either help or be helped with bosses or whatever?
real shadow
stone cove
I do love comedy invasions
I still kinda want to make a level 50 character, beast claws etc, and just invade early game areas while named "A Bear"
real shadow
I think my favorite invasion type is people running over, drinking Thollier's concoction, and just dying.
"hold on bro I gotta drink my lean" 💀
warped quest
i find it deeply funny that my best weapo nagainst horned warroirs is the halo sickle
the frost warroir however is deeply unfunny
stone cove
He's a jerk! I remember finding some way to reliably do him in, but he's a jerk
warped quest
i think they are the worst enemy in the dlc
thats a regular thing
not to menion the walk back is painful
just havelmonstesr that kill you in 3 hits while having 6 hit combos
frozen olive
I just ran past
warped quest
this boss is nothing but stomps and eye blinding firework explosions
its completely rng if you die or not
and its dead
frail sky
I really wanna do light greatswords but dex is not my friend
I think milady technically has higher ar on strength or quality builds
languid tiger
milady has higher dex scaling by a solid amount, and none of the str infusions beat their dex equivalents
although quality does win eventually bc quality
just takes a ton more levels
frail sky
AR calculator is saying it does more damage at 80 str than 80 dex
Also does 607 damage at 50/50 quality
(These are all assuming you're two handing it)
mighty warren
I'm not 2 handing is the thing
but flame art has been doing wonders due to its faith scaling
frail sky
If you're not two handing, it's 572 keen vs 568 heavy
obtuse halo
That's...quite close
frail sky
Yeh
obtuse halo
close enough I'd suggest it's just preference
frail sky
Min reqs
frail sky
Fine, 17/80 keen is 578 damage one handed, 585 two handed
frail sky
Oh okay
frail sky
Honestly milady is just pretty cracked with most stat spreads
mighty warren
I just like it's moveset
admittedly wish the blade was a lil thicker so i didn't feel like i was holding a toothpick but hey
frail sky
I wouldn't say busted, but it is incredible
mighty warren
I think thats better than my prior look honestly
it goes rather well with my current look too
old brook
...wish he had more health though, even with my shitty 628 AR Obsidian Lamina he...
I think this is tied to doing the dlc before him, even with the Scadu stuff it's still very Endgame scaled
mighty warren
also fun thing i learned since i had no one left to use it on
You can use an eye of grace yourself as a rune arc
languid tiger
ye
vestal night
Yeah
languid tiger
mentions that in the item desc
idr what the eyes of occultation do, but they mention something similar
vestal night
Same thing
frail sky
3rd to last mandatory boss spoilers:
||https://fixupx.com/deadpool_yuchan/status/1812808970345857483||
warped quest
i really liked that boss
its also the complete opposite of its codevien counterpart
languid tiger
i wish she had more health
or was broadly slightly more threatening
her attacks whiffed so much
obtuse halo
I just like it's moveset
admittedly wish the blade was a lil thicker so i didn...
I actually like it at its current width because it's now the best cosplay lightsaber
warped quest
i think i have only two bosses i can think of
obtuse halo
you can buff it and it looks good in any color
warped quest
left
stone cove
Okay, so this is wild fucking gameplay speculation but
languid tiger
nice
old brook
Take 50% of the final boss HP and distribute them around
stone cove
I think Horned Warriors exist to train you up for the final boss of the dlc.
They have long combos that are very good at roll catching, but they're actually very bad at guard breaking you
old brook
They do not succeed if so
warped quest
i think they exist to being annoying duelwielding havelmonsters
languid tiger
skill issue
obtuse halo
Horned Warriors be like "Hey, is that Gundyr's Movese-"
stone cove
and very vulnerable to hitbox displacement
(YOu can, with a well timed Savage Claws, dodge their entire combo and it is HILARIOUS)
old brook
They don't ||scream like a cow into a 100-death gravity combo||
mighty warren
|| fromsoft knew we couldn't handle the divine bovine warriors||
stone cove
...You had a very different final boss experience to me
old brook
You happened to be the perfect build to counter it
stone cove
You happened to be the perfect build to counter it
I've uh, done it twice now, i had to give up on Milady the first time nad used Carian Thrusting shield
mighty warren
I think they punish specific kinds of players
covert schooner
You have to be insanely aggressive against it
stone cove
second time around i beat the final boss to deaith with Beast Claws
languid tiger
The horned warriors aren’t that big a deal
i definitely keep trying to treat them like shitty chump enemies and smack smack them with like
middleweight weapons
and get clowned on because they're not
stone cove
Because well, i was stubborn and also commited to the bit of "A bear has eaten the shadow lands"
covert schooner
Yeah no they’re an elite enemy
They’re the shadow equivalent of the faction knights
languid tiger
they don't have a ton of poise, but i haven't gotten to the DLC with anything super heavy like a greataxe or greathammer
or especially a colossal weapon
mighty warren
Because well, i was stubborn and also commited to the bit of "A bear has eaten t...
"a bear has fallen into the lands between ravine"
covert schooner
Prayerful Strike on the Black Greathammer is a god tier combo btw
languid tiger
so i can't just r1 spamlock them like i keep trying to
covert schooner
I’m baffled I haven’t heard more people talk about prayerful strike btw
languid tiger
once i actually started to respect them slightly and guard counter they got trivial
covert schooner
This shit is cracked
old brook
They stagger in like two jump attacks they're not so hard
stone cove
Look, i'm just saying folks, if you havent played Old Lord's Talisman + Golden Vow + Bloodflame Blade on Heavy/Quality Beast Claws
You owe it to yourself to do this
it is hilarious
languid tiger
They stagger in like two jump attacks they're not so hard
incorrect, they stagger on some weapons' jump attacks
stone cove
YOu just jump on things and they start screaming and then they go pop
obtuse halo
I’m baffled I haven’t heard more people talk about prayerful strike btw
it's long since carved out a niche in various challenge runs
mighty warren
... huh that just made me realize
|| today's set of radahn tries will be the first time i bring GV into the fight||
warped quest
there was one boss that im really glad i looked up their weakness because they resisted my entire weapo nreally really strongly
languid tiger
which boss/weapon?
obtuse halo
Prayerful Strike is one of the go-to ashes for runs where you have to fight overburdened or something
warped quest
twin swords boss, and morgot sword
languid tiger
ah
stone cove
ALso great thing about using BFB over occult:" it tends to result in you chain staggering the target with Savage claws, you finish the combo, and then they're like oh "I'm safe!"
...and then the bleed pop goes off because off the six fucking bloodflame stacks on them
warped quest
a lightning milady was the trick
stone cove
And they flinch out of whatever they were trying to do, andi t's great
obtuse halo
Lmao yeah I've been messing around with the bloodflame blade beast claws build myself
it's hilarious
stone cove
(Like it legitemately is one of the big reasons to go BFB Heavy Beast Claws over Occult Beast Claws, just because that extra stagger is so sweet
languid tiger
kinda surprising considering she's broadly got Armored Enemy resistances (high bleed res, 0 lightning res, solid physicals)
stone cove
Lmao yeah I've been messing around with the bloodflame blade beast claws build m...
It's great, isnt it!
stone cove
I also really love the running heavy.
It comes out so fucking fast
and it stacks your multi-hit talsimans really effectively
warped quest
i think my first challange run in elden ring will probally be magic only, just cause both of my playthoughts have been physical focused
obtuse halo
because savage claws can get you killed against anything it doesn't chain stagger
covert schooner
I did prayerful for this playthrough
warped quest
and ive got two other planned runs that will also be physical probally
stone cove
because savage claws can get you killed against anything it doesn't chain stagge...
just BEAR UP lady.
😛
covert schooner
It’s insane
mighty warren
as ready as ill ever be
stone cove
(No, you're totally right, the over commitng is a big issue)
covert schooner
The only thing it couldn’t carry me through is the final boss
languid tiger
209, damn
obtuse halo
I've been working on Rellana
stone cove
It's part of why i like the Old Lord's talisman + enough faith to throw out some useful buffs
languid tiger
i cleared the final boss at 165
warped quest
im at 190 i think
languid tiger
although i guess a lot of people do endgame at like 180-220
warped quest
i also wear the rune scarab constantly
obtuse halo
oh yeah it's a well-understood good ash
stone cove
Also @languid tiger wait which boss is weak to pierce?
languid tiger
yeah i just usually lock myself to a certain level cap
obtuse halo
prayerful strike
languid tiger
Also <@156213425859592193> wait which boss is weak to pierce?
rellana
obtuse halo
hits like a truck, actively keeps you alive
stone cove
Oh, yeah
mighty warren
im in NG+ so i have a full run's worth of levels that i've built onto
languid tiger
0 pierce res
covert schooner
hits like a truck, actively keeps you alive
And you will NOT be knocked out of it
obtuse halo
Pierce is a rare resistance in general
stone cove
Yyyyyeah, in retrospect my "Oh i one shot her" and everyone's HOW!? reacitons in here were very funny
covert schooner
Unless you get hit by a heavy ult style attack
stone cove
but hwen you realzie that Wing Stance just leaps over most her attacks and hits her with BIG DAMAGE
obtuse halo
this is one of the rare mercies of bow run
stone cove
It makes a ton of sense
covert schooner
I think the only normal enemy to ever knock me out of PS was the horned warrior
obtuse halo
very few things are like "fuck you, I resist pierce, you do even less damage"
stone cove
(also the funniest fucking thing is when you get wing stance timing wrong and just eat shit in mid air)
and pancake to the ground
languid tiger
20 vs 40 for the others phys, yeah
covert schooner
It one of the few things he doesn’t resist in phase 2
mighty warren
im in my flame skewer arc currently cause that follow up is so fun
stone cove
And pierce gets the counter attack bonus
obtuse halo
yep
stone cove
In general al ot of things have a big hole to Pierce damage
languid tiger
i just wish more spears had less POKEPOKEPOKE movesets
stone cove
lots of 'Medium armored guy"
warped quest
the dlc did seem to like slash resist though
obtuse halo
again, this is absolutely critical to doing remotely functional bow damage
languid tiger
i want like
mighty warren
Well if needs must i have my sword lance i can use if milady doesn't pan out well
languid tiger
thrusting but with some interesting mixups
stone cove
i just wish more spears had less POKEPOKEPOKE movesets
I was actually venting about this the toehr day, i wish wepaon movests in general drew a bit more on historical manuals
warped quest
maybe i should get the luecerne out
languid tiger
or just more like the enemies' movesets
stone cove
Because like a sword? is a complicated 4 sided weapon if we're talking about english longsword styles
warped quest
one issue i have with elden ring is how little varience there is in movesets within a class
stone cove
The hilt and pommel are not just for show "Flip it around and use the fact you have armored gloves to hold the blade and break someone's head with the pommel" is a thing
languid tiger
yeah i'm just the least interested in swords, because they already get the most varied weapon types, unique movesets, and generic movesets
mighty warren
I'm still uppity that the sword lance doesn't do swinging heavies
it literally calls itself a mix between a greatsword and a lance but has zero wide swings
languid tiger
sword favoritism throughout fantasy has completely burned me out on sword love
stone cove
Oh, agree - like Spears need a ton of moves that use the haft for counters etc
languid tiger
now i cope with cool scythes as my Generic Edgy Dickhead option of choice
stone cove
mighty warren
I like my axes but i'm not exactly confident in trying them out in ER since i assume greataxes are slow
warped quest
the dlc hasa really really fun greataxe
stone cove
I like my axes but i'm not exactly confident in trying them out in ER since i as...
They were, they're... not. They're actyually kinda scary fast now
warped quest
its probally the most fun one in the entire game
covert schooner
They could never make me hate swords
mighty warren
That so? i'll see if i can find a great axe i like then
stone cove
and Wild Strikes
mighty warren
I have that death knight one i was itching to try
warped quest
thats amazingly fun
languid tiger
also they can get Sword Dance.
it's kinda wack that sword dance is an ash that's not sword-locked, but so many others that are just "x blade" are
i wonder if it's a tl thing
warped quest
it can be used to dodge some attacks and help close the distance which is really good
stone cove
Are we talking Death Knight's Longhaft or Putscrence Cleaver for "Neat axe"
languid tiger
I like my axes but i'm not exactly confident in trying them out in ER since i as...
greataxes are probably my favorite weapon type in the game
stone cove
Okay, Longhaft Death knight
warped quest
i know a lot of people dislike the boar guy apprently?
mighty warren
admittedly my preference to one handing for incantation usages does mean i hope it does good 1h attacks
warped quest
the axe helps against him a lot
languid tiger
greataxe 1hs are pretty good still, yeah
frail sky
Okay, Longhaft Death knight
Best weapon art tbh
languid tiger
i've done like 10 different greataxe runs lmfao
stone cove
He was another "Why are people hating this" "...oh, you're not running Milady Wing Stance, i get it"
frail sky
...okay then don't load correctly
stone cove
Which just craps all over him, because he's yet another Medium Armor Guy.
languid tiger
my powerstanced crescent moon axes run was one of my favorite i've done
mighty warren
there was one boss in this dlc i've hated and likely is the only one
and it's not even a super special unique dlc boss
warped quest
i don't know if it has any iframes
stone cove
Beast Claws vs Gaius was TERRIBLE
languid tiger
lightning crescent moon axes fucking rip the entire goddamn game apart
mighty warren
it's that a random ass ancient dragon on jagged peak
warped quest
but ive albosutely dodged attacks with both parts of the art
stone cove
Like genuinely that was a pretty horrible time
mighty warren
i HATED fighting that, which is weird cause i adore the dragon fights usually
but that one just had so much
warped quest
the best way to beat that dragon is radhann bow
mighty warren
Oh yeah no that's what i was using
mighty warren
it was also the one fight i torrented for too
stone cove
Oh, see, i just spammed the WA aiming at his head
warped quest
i think in most fights torrent is a downside
stone cove
I think on my Beastclaws run i pulled out Black Blade and used that
warped quest
i can't think of any fight reguarlly using torrent felt like upside
old brook
Zombie you describe fights like the enemies don't ever attack you it's buckwild
languid tiger
Which just craps all over him, because he's yet another Medium Armor Guy.
gaius actually has some of the worst resistances for a boss in the game, iirc
old brook
It's like you don't factor in that that part is hard
mighty warren
In the dragon's case it let me jump the electric waves easier, and faster hit and run tactics since i basically jousted the thing
stone cove
Zombie you describe fights like the enemies don't ever attack you it's buckwild
Watch my stream! Then watch how many times i eat shit XD
languid tiger
20 all phys except 40 slash
stone cove
You will understand why i do not consider this worth mentioning
(I eat shit all the time)
warped quest
the dlc really hates you if your using slash
languid tiger
ye
stone cove
But also, in the case of the Dragonhunt Katana it takes you off the ground for a long time
mighty warren
me who mains greatswords:
stone cove
and most of the risk of that dragon is his lighting attacks which ripple through the water
...so if you're busy flying through the air to anime slash his face off
old brook
Greatswords do 'Standard' damage
Which seems to be Slash but they didn't want to call it that
stone cove
Slash is it's own special thing. Hoenstly having Standard damage is usally a good thing
very few things resist standard damage to any notable degree
mighty warren
i just like swinging at enemies with something big enough that if it connects it splats them against a wall like a fly that's all
stone cove
Yeah, i agreei t's kinda silly
warped quest
i like morgott's sword but it really doesnt do well in the dlc
languid tiger
standard is fucking dumb
stone cove
but i honestly think that overall from's dmaage types system might be too complicated
languid tiger
it's all axes
warped quest
it feels like the dlc exists just to hate it at times
old brook
Every sword is like Standard/Pierce
languid tiger
and some blood stuff
glossy delta
I feel like if we were to give standard a more evocative name it would be Chop
Because vibeswise that is what distinguishes it from slash
warped quest
yeah thats how i see it
chop
i think a lot of weapos should get buffs to standout within their class in some way
for example id make the shortsword and weathered sword both have way less stamina usage
i would also spread movesets around more
i dislike that not single normal weapon can use the lazuli block
or miquella sword's thing
stone cove
Lazulli block? Miquella's Sword thing?
warped quest
yeah the layuzlli sword when you do a heavy blocks for a few frames
and mqueilll's sword in the tree has a special heavy attack
its not real fancy but still would be good to spread
warped quest
i think adding passives or speical traits to a bunch of less than popular weapons is a good thing to do
icy creek
Rellana is tough but to me the toughest has been Messmer by far (haven't fought Radahn yet)
warped quest
make the noble weapons have like 5-10% more rune drops
mellow silo
Messmer was fun as hell
mellow silo
Can't wait to refight him
warped quest
otherwise i only summoned stormhawk deenh
icy creek
The Bayle summon doesn't even seem that OP when the dragon-slayer great katana is so OP.
old brook
They really need to put the summons for the last boss inside the door
mighty warren
wait deathknight axe feeling kinda good though
warped quest
im tempted to just make a list of every small weapon tweak i would to make more weapons vaiable
icy creek
I've been using basically exclusively Cold Milady and it fucks so hard.
old brook
Been doing same and can't decide if I want to offhand some Script Daggers for cold resetting
I'm fine with the magma sorceries but they sure aren't fast
stone cove
In general what i'd like to see out of Elden Ring 2, is less weapons in general, but more distinct movesets, and a bigger empahsis on weapons having combo trees where they chain ineto each other etc
Like how mIlday's R2s can be followed up into R1s or R2s, etc
old brook
They made just having One Damn Katana feel good in Sekiro, Bloodborne has a much tighter spread.. they go either way
stone cove
Just make everything feel al ot more fluid and like you're well, ifghting iwth things, because it really thwos me off when you do a R1 combo with Backahnd blades, and then hti the r2 and suddnely you're charging a lunge
and it just feels very artifical in a way i do not like
icy creek
Milady with Wing stance is the most dynamic combat in the entire game. You've got 4 distinct starting moves that can be chained into 6 more follow ups and then another 6 combo chains.
stone cove
I just wish it's R1 stance move was a bit better, about the onyl redeeming facotr is you can immediatley launch into the stance r2 out of it
old brook
It also stunlocks the shit out of any NPC
stone cove
I've found mixed reuslst on that? I need to check vs fire knights again
I dunno, i always feel like the R1 combo is too expensive for how easy it is to get staggered out and the relative damage
old brook
Fire Knights are bigger'n NPCs
icy creek
Is 51 still the best stance in the game? I get stunned by nearly all attacks with it.
stone cove
while the R2 just goes "Fuck you"
stone cove
Is 51 still the best stance in the game? I get stunned by nearly all attacks wit...
Yes, because the next breakpoint is... 101.
Which you literally cannot get without Bullgoats
languid tiger
51 is a breakpoint for light and midweight hits
old brook
the next poise tier feels like it's for specific moves that add it
languid tiger
101 is what lets you eat shit without flinching
stone cove
Going by Fextra - the tiers are 11,51, and 101, with a bunch of attacks (There are acutally more than there are 101, or 51 poise attacks) that cannot be endured at all
so 11 tier is projectiles, 51 tier is stuff like long sword guys, rats, dogs, 101 is the bigger two handers etc, and then the last tier is stuff like "A dragon stepped on you"
stone cove
but the max avaible poise via armor is... drum roll 99.99
So you basically go for 51 poise, because otherwise you'd have to give up a talisman slot to endure hits
old brook
You are missed, Iron Flesh. You are missed.
stone cove
and those are the hits that'll chunk you
so you're better off just like... slapping on something that gives you damage
old brook
They do not get close to DS1 Iron
stone cove
I was literally about to metnion tehm, yes 😛
languid tiger
10 poise
frail sky
Are those genuinely the only points poise matter? I swear the difference between 51 and 81 poise does help with some attacks
old brook
That made you damn near invincible
frail sky
ironjar aromatics have been a thing since basegame
They’re kinda cracked tbh
stone cove
Are those genuinely the only points poise matter? I swear the difference between...
So, okay, the way it actually works is that every attack does a certain amount of damage to your poise bar
old brook
And they're limited ;-;
languid tiger
Are those genuinely the only points poise matter? I swear the difference between...
iirc yes but they're pretty low
stone cove
Poise bar is HP basically.
languid tiger
*And they're limited ;-;*
factually untrue
stone cove
SO if an attack hits you and does 50 poise, you have 1 poise reimaing, you're fine
languid tiger
everything for them is extremely farmable
stone cove
And then you take another hit, your poise goes to 0, and your bar resets
languid tiger
ironjars don't need anything from sanguine nobles
stone cove
(and you flinch, ofc)
frail sky
*And they're limited ;-;*
Ugh yeah, living jar shards are a pain to farm
frail sky
And then you take another hit, your poise goes to 0, and your bar resets
I see I see
old brook
ohh i was thinking of the damage buff perfume
warped quest
theres not really a good place to farm them really until the dlc
stone cove
so more poise does in fact help with things like "Take a projectile AND a longsword hit without breaking"
languid tiger
jar shards are pretty easy if you clear auriza side tomb
stone cove
which is probably what you're noticing @frail sky
languid tiger
bloodboil is a bitch and a half, yeah
stone cove
Also, this is only relevant for PvE enemy poise
languid tiger
arteria leaves suck
stone cove
In PvP it's a totally different ball game
old brook
Arteria Leafs, not Sanguine Whatevers from the DLC, that's what I meant, i was double wrong
stone cove
and it's much much more complciated, depends on the butto nad hwere you are in the chain
frail sky
Arteria leaves seem to be everywhere until you realize how good they are
stone cove
Like daggers go 40.5 poise for the 1h r1, then 63, 63, 63, 63 and hte last sixth hit does 126 poise damage
so like
fucking lol, you aint posing through shit there.
a short sword does 135 on it's first hit, but then drops to 67.5, so you can do werid stuff where you take the first hit and then can start trading back etc
and a zwei just hits you for 460.8 poise damage.
GOOD LUCK
Oh and then i belive various weapons and there movesets have mutlipliers to all of this and shit
as do some spells and weapon arts
and it's a headache of a fucking system to understand
TLDR: For most people's purposes, 51 poise is probably enough in pve. For pvp more poise is generally better and can better enable trading
if yo ureally just want to trade hits, drink an ironjar and do that
and stay away from electricty sources for a while.
DO NOT PUT IRONJAR INTO ELECTRICAL OUTLETS.
glossy delta
yeah the layuzlli sword when you do a heavy blocks for a few frames
To be fair
Its not the same animations but the thrusting shields have that exact mechanic now and its really good on them
And they're infusable
warped quest
yeah its kinda silly on thse lazila sword
i think when it does it it should have honestly 100block
and like 60-70 guardboost
mighty warren
death knight greataxe fun
limpid peak
I wanna do a Deathkight with the Long-Hafted Axe, and Knight's Lighning Spear
mighty warren
As someone who runs the axe and KLS they can pair together r e a l l y well
frozen olive
Knights Lightning Spear is just fucking goated
slot it on any build and it will fuck
limpid peak
currently going with a martial arts run right now though
mighty warren
KLS
when one lightning bolt just isnt enough
obtuse halo
it's honestly so good that the additional bolts still go off if you get staggered out of it
frozen olive
Knights Lightning Spear, the ultimate power
stoic sleet
What's more powerful than a bolt of lightning? M O R E lightning!
I've noticed that I'm forming a preference for weapon arts that let me close the gap
warped quest
i think part of that is the dlc has a lot of big steppers
things that love to yeet themselves away from you
stoic sleet
Blinkbolt, Flame Skewer, Savage Lion's Claw...
Yeah, I've noticed that with the fire knights
stone cove
Mobility on was just helps you feel more dynamic
stoic sleet
(mostly bc I don't have the last smithing stone bearing so I've been farming them for 7s and 8s)
stone cove
And when enemies are getting to be crazy ninjas, it's great to dive lunge them
stoic sleet
Flame Skewer on the FK Greatsword is a deeply satisfying experience, let me tell you
Just lunge in and then go straight into the light attack chain
The Longhaft Blinkbolt also lets you go into the light chain rather than the heavy follow-up, which makes for a nice mixup
obtuse halo
things that love to yeet themselves away from you
yeah this has been a thing for a while, but it's prominent here too
Fighting Depraved Perfumers in melee always kind of sucked without a long weapon
"Hello I am 20 feet away now and there's a wall of fire between us"
warped quest
it it just me or did they buff their fire attacks
i don't remember being oblerated so hard by perfumers
stoic sleet
They can be nasty
I remember the one in the Albinauric Village giving me some trouble
warped quest
yeah but i remember it not being so extreme since the first time i played
frail sky
(I say all in but I’m not killing Millicent this run, I can just use the two han...
Okay, slight issue with this plan: the two handed talisman apparently does not buff ashes of war
Which I guess makes sense, it's already absurd even without that
Guess I've got to kill Millicent to maximize damage then 😔
warped quest
is it wierd i think i would have perfered if the twohanded talisman instead was like the greatshield+pearlshield talisman for weapons
frail sky
(In seriousness, even without Millicent dying you already get like 3 buffing talismans for the marais's ash of war and you're probably gonna use the fourth slot for utility so it's not actually a big deal)
obtuse halo
same tbh
there's already lots of damage boosters in the game
talismans that enable playstyles are cool
warped quest
the deflecting tear is neat
frail sky
is it wierd i think i would have perfered if the twohanded talisman instead was ...
As in it makes the weapons better at blocking? Yeah that would definitely be nice
warped quest
and should not be a tear
it should absoutely be a talisman or something
also i think the dlc should have given us an extra talisman and tear slot
old brook
It would absolutely blow other talismans out of the water is the problem
frozen olive
it would be far too good as a talisman
warped quest
make the effect less powerful
keep both
i also don't think the ablity is that amazing
its pretty short time
and theres some insane talismans
you use weapo arts a lot alexander is just a free 15% damage boost on your strongest attack
greatshield is 20% physical resist, the new crimson seed is 30% more health form flasks
old brook
Those don't fundamentally change the game
The Deflecting Tear is so strong
and nerfing it would be an option I guess but then it's not.. the Deflecting Tear, I guess
obtuse halo
yeah shard of alexander is one of those things where like 60% of all builds probably slot it unless they truly cannot fit it
warped quest
deflecter tear also has extreme comptution in tears that are more useful a lot more of time
if your using an element your probally using the element tear, and the opaline tear is also a good 20% resistance to everything
old brook
Deflecting Tear feels like if the Opaline Bubble 99% damage resistance just re-applied after you got hit
it is so, so strong
stone cove
You could just remove it's stacking guard counter boost
old brook
i don't even use those, like
just the innate Sekiro Parry
is such a gamechanger in ways nothing else is
stone cove
And introduce a spam penalty
stone cove
Tbh, I think you're underestimating the opportunity cost it being a talisman is
icy creek
Where the f is ansbach? I entered Enir-Ilim and realized I didn't give him his letter... and he's just... gone
old brook
I for sure don't think I am
icy creek
Dude Elden Ring quests are so shit.
stone cove
Esp when this game has multiplicative stacking that means stuff like Winged + Millicent's is wildly better than either alone
frail sky
Esp when this game has multiplicative stacking that means stuff like Winged + Mi...
Welp guess I’m killing Millicent
icy creek
I know it's been posted before but every quest feels like this:
warped quest
i do feel like its worse in the dlc than base game
icy creek
They have the most random lockout conditions and they never tell you about them.
old brook
My only hangup is the weird Ansbach-Frejya timing
icy creek
And you need a guide for every single one because nobody tells you anything
warped quest
moore's is just why
old brook
Moore's is pretty straightforward
glossy delta
The others don't exactly introduce a whole game mechanic
Its certainly a unique effect but great jars arsenal, dragoncrest greatshield, and two handed sword exist
Its not like there arent Build Defining Talismans already
obtuse halo
The biggest one I think is the seal breaking
if it were "upon entering shadow keep" I wouldn't mind it so much
old brook
15% damage boost is not the same tier as Deflection and idk if I can be convinced otherwise
frozen olive
honestly i feel like the DLC quests are way easier to do than a lot of base game ones
obtuse halo
but there's an invisible line that just kind of abruptly progresses everyone's quest and locks out interactions if you haven't done them yet
the dlc quest design is mostly fine though a few are skeeeetch
The Dragon Priestess is the worst offender
warped quest
moore requires you to go to 6 random npcs with no hints where they are
vestal night
I accidentally killed one of the Forager Brood
obtuse halo
ope
frozen olive
The Dragon Priestess is the worst offender
i did her quest blind
vestal night
didn't notice it wasn't aggressive
glossy delta
15% damage boost is not the same tier as Deflection and idk if I can be convince...
Maybe it isnt but idk
Make it a talisman 😭
I'm literally never gonna use it as a physick
warped quest
the thing is yu don't want a gamechanging mechinc on a temp buff
vestal night
the deflection absolutely should have been a talisman
warped quest
then it because awkard
imagine if playing as a mage you had to drink a tear to cast spells
vestal night
make it reduce resistance if necessary
warped quest
i disagree wit hthat
vestal night
but it needs to be an always on effect IMO
old brook
This is perfect for a Rune Arc
warped quest
i think the whole "lets make the downside be you take more damage" is just stupid
rune arcs are aweful
old brook
because it absolutely shits on every other defensive talisman
vestal night
i disagree wit hthat
I mean it's just the easiest downside I can think of
there are other options as well sure
warped quest
its such a boring one that just ruins items 999999999.999999% of the time
old brook
if they're going to make it a talisman and not nerf it might as well just make it how blocking works
icy creek
Wait wtf there's more steps to Moore than just telling him not to kill himself???
old brook
Did forget about the extended Brood quest
warped quest
theres 6 forger brood hidden about each one gives you a forger book
vestal night
if they're going to make it a talisman and *not* nerf it might as well just make...
I mean, I do also highly agree with that tbh
deflects as baseline would be great IMO
warped quest
i just want blocking with a twohanded weapon to not be hot garabge on all but like 5 weapons
old brook
I'd want them to straightup buff dodging and parrying then
cause like
Deflecting wins
frozen olive
and this is probably why it's a physick tear
old brook
if it's a Talisman it'd need the Crucible 'you take 45% more damage' thing
frozen olive
that talisman is fucking stupid though
old brook
yes exactly
vestal night
I do feel most defense options have started lagging behind the speed of the rest of the game
so yeah I do think defense could use a general buff, and deflects could be part of that
warped quest
the cruciable talismans wouldnt be good if it gave you 10% more resistance
frozen olive
cause it gives you less of a defense bonus than the extra damage you take
it's actually just bad
kind garden
what does the backstep boosting talisman actually do
warped quest
it makes you take more damage
old brook
That one I've actually heard good things about but i'm not 100%
the backstep specifically might have something going on
kind garden
okay cheers I was wondering what the "boosts backsteps" function meant
warped quest
probally iframes
frail sky
what does the backstep boosting talisman actually do
11 i frames apparently
frail sky
(Christ that’s a lot)
frail sky
That’s immunity for more than a third of a second
old brook
now to find the weapon with the coolest backstep attack
glossy delta
My main thought is
A lot of people already permaslot shit
And people who dont want to bother with active guards (a lot of people I bet tbh, the timing is tighter than sekiros) dont have a reason to slot it
kind garden
That’s immunity for more than a third of a second
60 frames per second no?
11f ~= 1/6th of a second
frail sky
I frames are measured in 30 fps aiui
kind garden
ahh alright
frail sky
And it definitely is in this case
kind garden
okay in that case that is a whole bunch of iframes
https://youtu.be/UG2gwwhLvuY
got me looking like
old brook
the ancient days of the Havel Flip
kind garden
more the kbd lol
vestal night
11 i frames apparently
med roll has 13 frames btw
though I don't know how exactly the recovery between both stacks up
frail sky
Looks like 8 recovery frames on mid backstep, 6 on light
obtuse halo
8 is the same number of recovery frames on light and mid rolls I think
frail sky
And 17 on heavy, if you’re ever in heavy load for some reason
jaunty solar
atomic plinth
Is the shotgun crossbow worth using over the pulley crossbow?
obtuse halo
it really depends on your usage
the shotgun is a serious ammo eater, firing 10 at once
and is best used point blank
it does big status buildup though
obtuse halo
Pulley Crossbow is more of a pressure tool, where the shotgun is a pop it when you have an opportunity and then two hand your other weapon sort of thing
Spread is a little easier on the stam though
Pulley is probably still the best option for most builds interested in using it
Spread is good for spike damage/status in PvP though
the repeating crossbow is unfortunately a worse pulley crossbow 😔
warped quest
99 arrows is probally simlar to damage to a full flask's of magic damage
in some cases
but theres no arrow refill flask
obtuse halo
depends a lot
I applied 99 arrows to the final dlc boss and got it to half health
an infinite arrows tear would be magical though
warped quest
wasnt there something in bloodborne that let you use hleath for bullets
languid tiger
base mechanic, yeah
warped quest
what if they added ranged support spells to the game
like casting it gave you 10 free shots of (insert elemnt here) of orsomething
languid tiger
there's a button that lets you turn some hp, idr how much, into 5 bullets
glossy delta
The square button on my controller has broke
I have been taught the truth of flasks on pouch slots as a result
warped quest
funfact there is actully a bow in ds2 that requires no ammo
well crossbow
you can only fire that mode like 4 times
languid tiger
manifests inert glintstone
for basic projectiles
heavies do magic bolts
ash turns to a blood mode with bleeding magic r1s and bloodflame r2s
kind garden
funfact there is actully a bow in ds2 that requires no ammo
doesn't it consume durability instead
languid tiger
yeah
warped quest
a lot of durablity
warped quest
its one of the few sources of unlimited ranged shots you can farm in a loot only run
kind garden
I gotta say
real shadow
there's a button that lets you turn some hp, idr how much, into 5 bullets
About the equivalent of a single blood vial, which is 1/4th your health.
warped quest
yeah
i didn't really hate it that much but it always was annoying or pointless
the thing im glad is gone the most is sweetpoint hits
languid tiger
aye
kind garden
you mean, like scythe/halberd sweetspots?
languid tiger
aw, i was a big sweetspot fan
kind garden
sweetspots really only make sense as, like, a unique weapon gimmick imo
like you have a specific weapon that has Marth tippers
or whatever
making it apply to an entire class of weapon just means that this entire family of weapons is a pain in the ass to use properly and gets completely filtered out of the discussion if you're fighting in tight spaces
warped quest
id probally like sweet spot if it didnt gut the weapon when you didn't hit it
it should have been like a 10% boost
languid tiger
imo they should've just been like 30% stronger than they are on sweetspot
but with the same penalty
make them fucking juiced if you hit and ass if you don't
warped quest
no thats exactly what i hated about it
kind garden
god, no, making the sweet/sour spot thing even more extreme means that you have to play a whole ass minigame with that weapon
languid tiger
spacing is my fucking jam
warped quest
here is some ds3 numbers
languid tiger
why add a scythe if you're not gonna play around with how utterly dogshit it is as a real weapon?
kind garden
because it looks sweet
languid tiger
make it bad if you can't
and fucking sick if you're sick
no other classes just scythes
give me my fucklord dickhead spacing weapon category
kind garden
okay see it's tough because I get it but also I get that I'd have a fucking headache trying to do my ego-compelled scythe run
obtuse halo
red glintstone bow
don't threaten me with a good time
give me the bleed red glintstone bow
give it to me
languid tiger
that ain't a threat that's a lustful yearning
I want it bad
gimme the pure int bow that deals phys on r1 mag on r2 and ashes into a new fuckin moveset
obtuse halo
magic archery is actually surprisingly well supported
languid tiger
with bloodflame glintstone r2s
obtuse halo
though generally a worse gameplan than just casting glintstone pebble
languid tiger
yeah I just mean like
the pre-ER moonlight/ER cipher weapons
solo int scaling, nothing else
actually shit
red glintstone is regular magic r1s, r2 costs hp and does bloodflame, ash is phys thorn projectiles that explode into briars of sin
obtuse halo
I can picture it now, a bow of red thorns, that scratch your fingers as you pull the string.
languid tiger
should be pure arc actually
languid tiger
I want one for each magic stat tho
pure arc red glintstone + bloodflame + thorn 'splosion
languid tiger
I want one for each magic stat tho
pure fth should be the lightning arrow ds3 spell
but just
red lightning r1s, gravel stone phys r2s, branching lightning ash
warped quest
i think one thing id def love from mods is to see powered up and down versions of niche spell fields
obtuse halo
should be pure arc actually
Please. If it's red glintstone, it's faith. That's the pattern the game has established.
languid tiger
idc, faith gets everything and arc needs more cool shit
warped quest
give us toned down cruciable incatations
languid tiger
arc can have wacky blood bullshit
glossy delta
because it looks sweet
Yeah this is where Im at
Scythes are cool, I want to use them
I do not have to deal with a finnicky gimmick for them to be effective
We already throw lightning spears 😛
Scythes can be good in the lands between
languid tiger
yeah, sweetspots are good
frail sky
Twitter
kind garden
God bless
atomic plinth
...aw, man, apparently I missed out on getting Ansbach's Longbow
languid tiger
gotta help him yep
warped quest
only one of them breaks if you go there and its only if you actully respodn to their question
glossy delta
Scared to go to Shadow Keep because what if I miss a quest
If you've killed the bosses of the first two legacy dungeons and talked to everyone until they repeat lines you should be good
But once you enter shadow keep you should go back and talk to everyone cuz it does in fact trip some flags
obtuse halo
only one of them breaks if you go there and its only if you actully respodn to t...
I broke a mini-quest my first time through from not finding Thiollier before breaking the seal
so I never got the black syrup because moore had moved onto his next quest stage
mellow silo
It's hippoing time
atomic marsh
atomic plinth
Eh
icy creek
...aw, man, apparently I missed out on getting Ansbach's Longbow
Literally just had this experience. These questlines are fucking ass dog.
atomic plinth
I don't use bows, I'm mostly just vaguely disappointed I missed out on another thing for my collection of shit
I'm a mage, my bow is Loretta's Mastery
God bless that spell
obtuse halo
there's no 100% winning route there fwiw
getting Ansbach's Bow is mutually exclusive with either Leda's second talisman or the Obsidian Lamina
icy creek
Ansbach: "Hm... I am feeling ever so slightly... perturbed... like the wailing winds on a branch."
Elden ring quest designers: "So clearly that means you have to bring a letter to him before your next meeting with Leda."
obtuse halo
Leda gives you two talismans if you help her ||kill Hornsent and Ansbach|| respectively
icy creek
It's genuinely like the craziest leap in logic ever because he says to you:
||What could they possibly have in mind for Lord Mohg's remains? The implications are rather… unnerving.||
And you have to intuit that that means he needs you to hand him the secret rite scrolll... HUH??
obtuse halo
one boosts backstep attacks, the other boosts rolling attacks
warped quest
perfect for my backstep attack only run
icy creek
The St. Trina questline is even more bizarre ||because you need to exhaust all of Thioller's diologue options, then die four times, then talk to thioller again. And you're supposed to just intuit this.|| Insanity.
warped quest
i just need to go to the end of the dlc to get it
icy creek
I like not having quest markers but please let us figure this stuff out on our own without using a wiki.
frozen olive
several quests in the dlc have mutually exclusive rewards
frozen olive
The St. Trina questline is even more bizarre ||because you need to exhaust all o...
i actually figured this out blind with my buddy
atomic plinth
Me and my new buddy
frozen olive
i don't think it's outrageous
though notably ||i thought going back Miquellas great rune actually did something since i used it and died and then got the dialogue, but i then had my friend try it and it didn't seem to do anything so idk what was going on||
i think the only quest i ended up missing out on in some way was Moores
atomic plinth
Made another friend
frozen olive
for my money the actual difficult quest is ||The finger quest, cause you need to figure out that you need to use the emote "o mother" at the statue in the room before Gaius boss fight||
limpid peak
I actually did that blind
frozen olive
big W
limpid peak
I don't even remember getting the emote
frozen olive
me and my friend could not figure that shit out
limpid peak
but there were messages on the ground next to the statue with big hints
frozen olive
the clue is not good yeah
frozen olive
but there were messages on the ground next to the statue with big hints
yeah when we were doing it
there were no messages
icy creek
for my money the actual difficult quest is ||The finger quest, cause you need to...
I think that's easier because you get to the point where you look at a map and there's a huge section you can't go to, so you just have to look it up.
frozen olive
i mean
icy creek
Compared to something like Thioller ||where you can get to it, die once, literally nothing happens, and so you're like: "Oh, that's funny, I guess it really does just kill you." and then you leave.||
obtuse halo
maybe it's just my giant lore brain but I figured that one out on my own no problem
frozen olive
i really don't think ||dying several times to St.Trina's stuff|| is too big of an ask
icy creek
I think it's the dying several times thing that puts it over the edge to me. You have to know that something is up there.
limpid peak
the best parts of Fromsoft games for me is finding player messages that really help with a problem, like near Seath in DS1 finding messages across the invisible bridges
atomic plinth
Idk why FromSoft keeps doing these questlines that nobody really enjoys having to puzzle out
frozen olive
||i figured immediately that i had to do something else for it so i tried it a few times and came back later, tried it again, and something happened||
warped quest
||i think its the multiable times with no input each time until 4 times||
limpid peak
lots of those in Elden Ring too
atomic plinth
the best parts of Fromsoft games for me is finding player messages that really h...
The message system was the best idea they ever had for these games, unironically
warped quest
if you die 100 times in ds2 you get a ring
obtuse halo
Idk why FromSoft keeps doing these questlines that nobody really enjoys having t...
idk I felt pretty smart using the right gesture on the thingy
atomic plinth
It's helped foster such a great sense of community and in-jokes
frail sky
if you die 100 times in ds2 you get a ring
Wait what?
obtuse halo
but I'd also already been to Bonny Village and had been paying close attention to the lore
atomic plinth
Good ol "Try tongue, but hole"
icy creek
The gesture thing is also dumb but again, you see the big chunk of the map you can't get to and go: "Okay, I'm gonna look online"
atomic plinth
And "Don't give up, skeleton"
obtuse halo
Try finger but hole is so last season. It's "I want to go home...and then edge" now
warped quest
icy creek
I can't imagine doing a completely blind playthrough of elden ring, you'd miss out on everything.
limpid peak
I unironically love seeing five messages next to a turtle
warped quest
i think ds2 has the most reasonable quests
frozen olive
base game yeah but i feel like the dlc is honestly a lot better
i got like
the vast majority of the whole dlc covered in my blind playthrough
obtuse halo
I can't imagine doing a completely blind playthrough of elden ring, you'd miss o...
I got most things playing blind, except I somehow completely missed Rya
warped quest
i missed rya's manor quest
icy creek
I did Thioller's questline and all of the locations, but missed out on all of the questlines and I feel ripped off.
obtuse halo
just...didn't see her, didn't meet Blackguard either
warped quest
but not the other one
obtuse halo
if you don't talk to her before reaching volcano manor, she's just locked off permanently
atomic plinth
I unironically love seeing five messages next to a turtle
A turtle? What's that? You mean a dog?
old brook
I think my first run through I mostly missed Boc's questline, and Patches.. >:|a
Boc just.. never got sad? He was fine
limpid peak
A turtle? What's that? You mean a dog?
typo
mellow silo
Man Moore is such an adorable character
glossy delta
It's genuinely like the craziest leap in logic ever because he says to you:
||W...
Real talk I picked up that item and ||saw the description of 'only big huge huge brain genius dudes can read this crazy shit' and went 'this should probably go to ansbach'||
obtuse halo
Man Moore is such an adorable character
||Sad, forever...?||
icy creek
I think there's a happy middle ground between most souls quest design where it's basically impossible to figure anything out and super convoluted and something like... Dragon Age where it tells you ever single thing you have to do. And I was hoping Elden Ring would do that, but alas.
obtuse halo
Real talk I picked up that item and ||saw the description of 'only big huge huge...
same lmao
obtuse halo
A quest journal absolutely would not hurt elden ring
glossy delta
Ansbach is clearly the Nerd Researcher of the group
Especially since ||Freyja says she should have asked Ansbach for help when she had the chance when trying to decipher her own arcane writings||
old brook
at least an 'Actually Key Items' tab
obtuse halo
it doesn't have to tell you every step of what you need to do, but at least charting your current progress in quests or hinting that things are quests would be nice
frozen olive
you get plenty of clues as to what to do with that scroll
icy creek
I don't think it needs a quest journal, but at least give us some pointers of what things actually matter and what lines of dialogue are actually worth following up on.
obtuse halo
honestly it's a real issue if you're like me and have a lot of saves where you skip around: if I load up a save I haven't played in a while, I have no idea where the last time I talked to Millicent was
icy creek
It's an info item, there's like... a billion of those in the game.
frozen olive
i literally immediately ||went to Ansbach with it cause he specifically mentioned stuff about Mohg, and Freyja also pointed out that she should have talked to him about reading shit in the library||
it wasn't a big leap in logic imo
old brook
He's also like 30 yards from it
warped quest
ima more of tired of how miserable most of the quests are in tone
obtuse halo
I found Freyja before Ansbach tbh
frozen olive
||Text in library> guy in library who reads texts> lady in library who points out she should have asked that guy for help with reading texts> give text to text guy||
obtuse halo
because I found the storehouse through church district before going through the main shadowbado keep
warped quest
is there even one good ending for anyone in elden ring for anything
frozen olive
ima more of tired of how miserable most of the quests are in tone
unfortunately this is Fromsoft
tough luck
warped quest
ds2 most people are fine
old brook
Rya learns self-respect
icy creek
The fact that there are random lockout points and it doesn't tell you what the lockout points are is more frustrating to me.
warped quest
its just lucitiel that goes insane
old brook
yeah but she's the best one
warped quest
and mauldin beccomes a snob
old brook
so it's a heavy loss
obtuse halo
is there even one good ending for anyone in elden ring for anything
mostly more bittersweet than good, but I think Rya, Nepheli, Kenneth Haight, and Boc all get fairly positive endings on the right route.
warped quest
oh yeah nvm im wrong yeah nephli
frozen olive
Boc my beloved
old brook
oh right they finished Nepheli quests
warped quest
i stil ldon't understand the patches quest
languid tiger
you talk to patches
old brook
Patches trying to date the lady of the Manor
languid tiger
he goes to volcano manor
icy creek
You IDIOT! You were supposed to give Blimion the bliminister to aid the last rite of sanctification BEFORE you enter the tree of neverending solace! Do you think Blimion would EVER talk to you afterwards??? FOOL!
languid tiger
you talk to patches
limpid peak
I love that his quest has a big fakeout
warped quest
im talking about the post volcano one
limpid peak
patches I mean